Purple Rock Offseason of No Survivor Podcast: Die Hard (1988)

Andy and Matt get SUPER self-indulgent by discussing one of their very favourite movies at a time that is seasonally appropriate. Because, as a reminder, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT SURVIVOR THIS OFFSEASON.

Note: since we’re talking about an R rated action movie, our conversation is, at the very least, PG-13.


Purple Rock Off Season of No Survivor podcast: Die Hard (1988)

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In this episode, Andy and Matt discuss:

  • Our qualifications to host a movie podcast (spoiler: we have none).
  • The Die Hard Christmas movie debate.
  • Whether or not the opinions of millennials matter when it comes to Die Hard.
  • The most 80s moments of Die Hard.
  • Why we love Die Hard so much.
  • The key elements that make it work.
  • What is a “Die Hard Movie” and what’s the best Die Hard-type movie?
  • Our proposals for a Die Hard movie that could work today.
  • Matt grills Andy on Die Hard trivia.
  • Our favourite scenes.
  • That THIS happened:

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  • Purple Rock Emma

    “Whether or not the opinions of millennials matter when it comes to Die Hard.”

    I FEEL PERSONALLY ATTACKED.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Good, because you were personally attacked

      • Purple Rock Emma

        This is just evidence that all of my feelings are justified.

    • Hornacek
    • gouis

      Isn’t Matt a millennial?

      • Hornacek

        This is answered in the first few minutes of the podcast.

        • gouis

          Yeah but then I’d have to listen to a masturbatory podcast by a couple of ‘Die-Hard Bros”

          • purplerockandy

            If it helps, I yell at you.

            Possibly you specifically.

          • gouis

            Maaaan now I gotta keep going. I listened to the first part just to hear you guys yell about your straw-men. Unless it was in there and I just zoned out.

          • purplerockandy

            You were lumped into the “young people whose opinions don’t matter” section. And the “ugh, Die Hard Christmas movie” people.

          • gouis

            I’m the same age as Matt!

          • gouis

            OR are you saying this so as to play to my vanity and make me listen to the entire thing?

          • purplerockandy

            Well, I don’t mention you by name or anything.

          • gouis

            THEN WHY DO I EVEN BOTHER!!!

  • Kemper Boyd

    Now you want me to listen to you shout about things that aren’t Survivor? This is asking a lot.

    • Purplerockmatt

      nah this is highly indulgent, if it doesn’t strike your fancy, take a pass

      • Kemper Boyd

        Thank you. Timeless, the insane and very good in a very bad way tv show has made it’s way to British netflix and now I need to watch it again. Fake science and fake history FTW.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I’m facing a tough Netflix dilemma: Black Mirror season 4 or the last three episodes of Broadchurch season 1.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Finish Broadchurch , it’s amazing.

          • sharculese

            Do what Kemper tells you to. And then power through season 2 so you can get to season 3, which is not as good as season 1 but still very good.

          • Alkanarra

            If you’re like me and suffer such acute existential dread after Black Mirror that you can’t revisit it for weeks then it’s not like you’d be slowing progress much if you gave it a night.

            That being said, people are claiming Ep 1 is an instant classic *and* it has The Mother, so I know what I’ll be doing tonight and then not again for at least a 4-6 week period.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I really should just have pulled a semi all-nighter and finished Broadchurch, knowing that Black Mirror was about to drop. I cannot wait to see the first episode in particular, but Broadchurch is just that compelling. Also, I’m crushing so hard on Jodie Whittaker right now (admittedly, it’s slightly creepy in the context of Broadchurch) that I just might rewatch “The Entire History of You” first.

        • You see as a fan of Quantum Leap, Timeless scratches a particular niche for me. Was not angry when it canceled but was happy to hear it got a second season.

          Also, like Wyatt, I would want to see that James Bond movie, that the characters caused to pop in existance after one of their adventures.

      • purplerockandy

        This is something we did because Matt and I thought it would be fun.

        For us, anyway. For anyone else is a bonus.

  • Violina23

    I have never seen Die Hard.

    That is my contribution to this post.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Andy flew to Southern California to give me a Die Hard DVD so I would watch it.

      • purplerockandy

        I may have been there on other business.

        Like showing off Pokémon cards.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Custom Pokémon cards.

    • sharculese

      Neither have I. I’m almost done watching Wormwood; that’s sort of a movie.

  • Hornacek
  • Hornacek

    I was hoping for a commentary track, but a discussion-podcast is still pretty good.

  • Hornacek

    IIRC, Die Hard didn’t even open at #1. In it’s opening weekend, it was at the #4 spot.

    In 1988 we didn’t know how great of a gift we were being given.

  • sharculese

    So how many midichlorians does Bruce Willis have in this movie?

  • Mike Hirsch

    I thought Heinrich had the detonators.
    This is my excuse to watch this now.
    Tony was in The Living Daylights. Uli was “That Asian Guy” in Big Trouble In Little China and Lethal Weapon. Huey Lewis guy is not Huey Lewis.

    So yeah, Die Hard was the first R-rated movie I saw from start to finish in a non-edited for tv version. I think I was 11 at the time. It was glorious.

    • Purplerockmatt

      it may have Heinrich, it was one of those two

  • Diego Armando

    Didn’t see this coming.

    • purplerockandy

      Just like Hans did not see John McClane coming.

  • Diego Armando

    I’m not sure I could classify this as a Christmas movie because it was released in July/August. I know this because my mom claims that seeing it in the theater put her into labor with me. So, thanks movie.

    • Blurry Denzel

      White Christmas also came out in July

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Well that’s just ridiculous.

        • Blurry Denzel

          I actually fucked up there. Apparently that one came out in October. But I do know a movie with Christmas in the title came out in July.

      • sharculese

        And Christmas in July came out in October.

      • Diego Armando

        Touche.

        For me, this movie is inseparable from August, for the stated reason.

    • Hornacek

      From what I’ve heard, It’s A Wonderful Life was released in the summer.

  • Mike Hirsch

    I’d like to add that, having gotten through the rest of the podcast: thanks for the shout-out, and also this is a movie where every character is so well-written, right down to Harvey. Poor Harvey. All he wants to do is have a live newscast, and he’s got to deal with Dick Thornburg telling him to eat it, and then gets thrown a crazy geography reference? Poor Harvey.
    Finally, my favorite part of the movie is the cat-and-mouse segment that kicks off after the Now I Have A Machine Gun Ho-Ho-Ho part (I once dressed up as that for Halloween), and continues through McClane’s encounter with Marco and Heinrich. Everything about that whole segment of the movie is perfect.

  • the sky is falling

    Does no ‘offseason’ also mean no preseason? It’s only 8 weeks/5 days until Ghost Island.

    So, the offseason is what… three weeks?

    I think I will catch up on some reading, picked up a couple books…
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6d011902db40de736f54ceab6acf428aad59993f8fff9db5a6324f6770cc1766.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ae57adc88675655996a8247cd68c5d291a3e07decc6c21b21c1d2083920cbe1.jpg

    • purplerockandy

      Preseason is TBD. At the very least, we’ll have some kind of discussion post for y’all.

    • Asking a legitimate question but where did you find that second book? And can you give me a brief summary of that book?

      • the sky is falling

        I’m guessing this means you are familiar with the first book? I mean, I have an idea what secrets Delia will uncover…
        I just did a google image search for Ghost Island, I didn’t buy those books.
        But I would guess it centers on Charmander looking for an immunity idol while everyone else just says over and over, “Where’s Charmander?”

  • I enjoyed this podcast. So does this mean we might hear you talking about great films like Bye-Bye Man and Rob Schneider’s Animal?

    • Purple Rock Emma

      There’s a Survivor contestant in Die Hard?

      • In the spirit of honesy, I thought about photoshopping Brett from Samoa into a frame of Die Hard as joking response but then I realized that would require effort.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          One of us. One of us.

      • Hornacek

        Argyle grew up to be Artis.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          That’s the saddest postscript I’ve ever heard.

  • So, I guess I need to watch Die Hard for the first time in full now.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      You don’t have to do anything you don’t want to do. Even if someone hands you a DVD of Die Hard in a strange hotel room.

      • sharculese

        Emma did Andy cast some sort of spectral thrall over you? Blink twice if Andy is a lich.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          I don’t know what those words mean.

      • Nothing like that could ever happen.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Why would you meet in a strange hotel? There are so many normal ones.

    • gouis

      It’s a good-to-great action movie. If you like action movies at all you should 100% watch it. It’s incredibly tight (despite being just over 2 hours) and really is the basis for a lot of what future action movies did. It totally holds up for being 30 years old.

      But if you’re not into 80s/90s basic action movies? Then don’t worry about it. It doesn’t transcend the genre.

      • See, I have seen parts of it, but I weirdly just don’t think I sat down and watched it in its original version.

        • gouis

          All movies are bad in parts if you haven’t seen them before.

  • Hornacek

    It’s A Wonderful Life is definitely a Christmas movie, but actually Christmas has very little to do with the movie. For the first two-thirds of the film, Christmas is not mentioned at all. The angels/spirits/whatever are reviewing ~40 years of George’s life, but up until they get to present day Christmas Eve, there is no mention of Christmas. And you could very easily rewrite the last third of the script to make it another holiday; all you need is a reason for people to get together with friends and family and celebrate family – make it Thanksgiving or Superbowl Sunday.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      I’m pretty sure that George mentions Christmas in that early scene in the root cellar.

      • Hornacek

        That’s where Henrietta (played by Ted Raimi) tries to give him that Mark Twain book.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Every time a stream of sweat pours out of the earhole of a Ted Raimi Deadite suit, an angel gets its wings.

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    Technically Gremlins is the better Christmas movie because it actually has a Christmas message, but this podcast has made me want to watch Die Hard again. And thanks for continuing to put out content during the no-Survivor break! It shows how great your podcasts are. The fans will listen to anything Andy and John want to discuss!

    Also, Young Palsy purchased a cassette of The Return of Bruno with his own lawn mowing money back in the day.

    • Hornacek

      If you don’t respect yourself
      Ain’t nobody gonna give a good
      Ca-hoot na na na oh oh
      Respect yourself

    • Hornacek

      Gremlins breaks a cardinal rule of being a Christmas movie in that it is targeted towards kids and yet it flat out tells them that Santa Claus is not real and even describes a Christmas where “Santa” died.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        But it’s targeted towards older kids. It and Temple of Doom are partly why they created the PG-13 rating.

        • Hornacek

          The marketing for Gremlins was heavily leaning towards “This is a funny Christmas movie with some wacky little monsters that cause some mischief.” When parents took their little kids to see it and saw that the “wacky monsters” were causing multiple deaths, plus one of the main characters explicitly states that there is no Santa Claus and describes how she found that out, the outcry from those parents was huge.

          But yes, Gremlins and ToD were the movies (was there a third that summer? I can’t remember) that caused the PG-13 rating to be created.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Why do you keep putting that in spoiler tags? Who do you think still doesn’t know that here?

          • Hornacek

            Don’t ruin it for the many children reading these comments!

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            It’s much better to find that out from a young Phoebe Cates than from @hornacek:disqus

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            You might be thinking of Red Dawn, which got a lot of attention for being the first PG-13 movie.

          • Hornacek

            Yes, Red Dawn was the first one with a PG-13 rating, but it was ToD and Gremlins that were released with PG ratings that caused the uproar.

    • gouis

      Gremlins is incredible. And I love that the sequel didn’t try to replicate what was great about the original and tried (and succeeded) at its own thing.

  • Mike Hirsch

    On the topic of the lesser sequels, my favorite moment by far in any of them is at the very end of Die Harder, when Carmine sees McClane and thinks that tearing up his parking ticket makes up for being an absolute asshole to him for the whole movie. “What the hell…it’s Christmas!!” Makes me laugh, every single time.

  • Maritimer

    So, since I’ve never seen Die Hard, I’m going to take the opportunity teach ya’ll some Canadian history and expand on Andy’s reference to P.E. Trudeau and his “Just Watch Me” quote. (Thanks Andy for giving me something I can actually talk about)

    In Canada we have something called the War Measures Act, which gives the military and executive branch more direct powers when implemented. Its been implemented 3 times: both World Wars, and the time Andy referred to, called the FLQ Crisis. Terrorists from Quebec who supported Quebec separation kidnapped the British High Commissioner, a Quebec provincial cabinet minister and possibly a third person. In response, Trudeau implemented the War Measures Act. When asked whether or not he should/could do this when there was no war declared/it was a domestic terrorism issue rather than an international issue, Trudeau responded with the legendary, badass quote “Just Watch Me.” (the people asking these questions probably had a valid point. The purpose of him using the WMA was basically so he could put the military on the streets in Quebec to try and find these terrorists/the kidnapped people). In the end, Quebec cabinet minister James Laporte was murdered but the other hostage(s) were rescued. Many of the members of the FLQ cell were arrested and jailed and/or deported. However, this increased support for Quebec sovereignty by Quebecers unhappy with Trudeau’s actions.

    Here’s the clip:

    A Part of Our Heritage

  • Hornacek

    In the novel that Die Hard is based on (which is itself a sequel to “The Detective”, which had a movie adaptation starring Frank Sinatra), the Nakatomi Corporation is revealed to be evil and actually doing the things that Hans falsely (in the movie) claims it is doing as justification for his terrorist attack. McClane’s daughter (in the book he is a widower and he is visiting his estranged daughter) is in a relationship with Ellis and is a willing participant in Nakatomi’s illegal schemes. So it’s not surprising that in the end, the daughter dies – she goes out the window with Hans and he isn’t able to save her.

    • purplerockandy

      One of the many reasons, I assume, that the movie is universally believed to be far superior to the book.

      • Hornacek

        I have no idea how successful, if at all, the book was when initially released. But any success it has now is only because of Die Hard (it’s the only reason I bought it). I’m sure that to the majority of Die Hard viewers, they’d have no idea it was based on a book.

  • gouis

    Side note: my uncle is named John McLane and lived in NYC when this came out. No he is not cool and unstoppable, he is kind of a dick.

  • Diego Armando

    Andy, you were thinking of The Last Boy Scout. Last Action Hero was an Arnold movie. I think there was a cartoon cat and the bad guy was Tywin Lannister.

    • purplerockandy

      I was indeed thinking of The Last Boy Scout.

      • Hornacek

        I laughed when you called Bruce’s co-star “The Wayans brother”.

  • sharculese

    Today in “The Kids Still Watch Survivor”: I found out my ten year old private school entrance exam student is a fan. She wanted Devon or Ben to win, thought Lauren was cool but that giving Mike the idol was stupid, the JP blindside was awesome,and really anything was okay as long as Ryan or Crissy didn’t win.

    • Violina23

      I found out my best friend’s boyfriend is a casual fan a week or two ago

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Let’s start a Black Mirror thread. After watching most of S4, I think my episode rankings roughly shake out as:

    San Junipero
    USS Callister
    Metalhead
    White Bear
    Be Right Back
    Hang The DJ
    Fifteen Million Merits
    The Entire History of You
    Nosedive
    Arkangel
    Men Against Fire
    National Anthem
    Crocodile
    Hated in the Nation
    White Christmas
    Shut Up And Dance
    Playtest
    The Waldo Moment

    I know that I’m higher on White Bear than most. I haven’t seen Black Museum and don’t plan to on account of how no one seems to like it and the knowledge of one particular subplot.

    • Max_Jets

      “I haven’t seen Black Museum and don’t plan to on account of how no one seems to like it and the knowledge of one particular subplot.”
      I haven’t seen it yet and don’t know what you are talking about, but am instinctively annoyed at your refusal to watch it!

      Anyways…
      San Junipero
      Be Right Back
      Hated in the Nation
      USS Callister
      White Bear
      The Entire History of You
      Hang the DJ
      Nosedive
      Fifteen Million Merits
      Shut Up and Dance
      White Christmas
      The National Anthem
      Arkangel
      Crocodile
      Playtest
      Men Against Fire
      The Waldo Moment

      I find these very difficult to rank and could easily move, say, Fifteen Millions Merits up to 3rd and Be Right Back down to the halfway point depending on how I’m feeling, but the bottom 3 are near locked. Crocodile might just be low because I have seen people rate it low and haven’t had much time with it, but I was cracking up at the ending (in a good way). I also feel like I might need to revisit The Waldo Moment, because I don’t dislike and all Black Mirror is good I DON’T CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Not all Black Mirror is good, but I like that you have White Bear above the median point.

        • Max_Jets

          I generally prefer good characters over message, but White Bear blew me away. It was probably my favorite at the time. It’s also one that I would think only works on the first watch, but I saw it a second time and it still held up for me.

          Where on your list would you draw the line for what’s good? Do you consider Shut Up and Dance “good”?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            It’s hard for me to quantify what’s “good.” Generally, I like a Black Mirror episode less if it fails to convince me to buy in on suspending my disbelief. For SU&D, I was thinking the entire time that Kenny was a bit thick for agreeing to rob a bank over his wank video and that all of his other actions were disproportionate to the purported sin. But then again, it has Bronn.

            So instead of good, I guess I think about which ones I would be happy to watch again. The cutoff for that is somewhere between Arkangel and HITN.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            But I think that’s the intended effect of SU&D–you’re supposed to wonder why this kid is going to such extremes, then–“oh….”

            By the would-I-rewatch standard, Playtest and maybe Men Against Fire are the only episodes I would consider not good. HITN does go on a bit longer than it should, but on the other hand, Kelly MacDonald.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Black Mirror (like Survivor) is a high-ceiling, high-floor show, so an episode (season) can be well below average in rank but still good or even great in absolute terms. So for example Fifteen Million Merits and Vanuatu are both well below average IMO but I would rewatch them both in a heartbeat.

        The real world caught up with and in some ways surpassed Nosedive and The Waldo Moment, so their messages seem kind of dead-obvious now (The Waldo Moment, in particular, turned out not to be nearly strange enough in its vision of the future). But the only episode I truly dislike is Playtest, and admittedly that is for very idiosyncratic reasons (1. Americans who spend a gap year or post-graduate year traveling abroad and come back every bit as glib and douchey as when they left really, really grind my gears; 2) the assistant’s Japanese is absolutely atrocious).

        • Taako From Teevhii

          My idiosyncratic reason for disliking Playtest is that it completely bypasses the process of informed consent, and the whole plot would have been resolved if the company did what they were supposed to ethically do. Black Mirror is better when people have to make hard choices or make what they think is the best choice, resulting in unintended consequences. People just being stupid with technology is kinda grating for me (though I guess by this metric, Callister shouldn’t be so high in my rankings).

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            A vicious and very stupid argument has broken out at AV Club over whether Callister betrays the basic premise of Black Mirror by not being based on a short leap from today’s technology. Mostly it reminds me why I don’t participate in online forums other than PRP.

    • the sky is falling

      I think you have The National Anthem too low since it was our introduction to the demented Black Mirror world.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I suppose these rankings don’t properly show the big gap between the middle of the list and the bottom. Playtest and Waldo are firmly planted at the bottom, and everyone else can jockey up to three or four spots. But I also don’t hold much sentimentality for extra-textual stuff, that’s true.

    • Crappy

      Great thread. Love me some Black mirror. My rankings –

      San Junipero
      Fifteen Million Merits
      Be Right Back
      Entire History of You
      White Bear
      Hated in the Nation
      White Christmas
      Hang The DJ
      Nosedive
      Playtest
      Arkangel
      USS Callister
      National Anthem
      Black Museum
      Shut Up And Dance
      Metalhead
      Crocodile
      Men Against Fire
      The Waldo Moment

      I didn’t like this season’s episodes as much as previous ones. Will post detailed thoughts on the same later. Are we doing spoilers for episodes here?

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I think we all talked about the episodes in broad, non-spoilery terms. I guess if you’re in doubt, use the tags.

        I am also very curious to hear how Metalhead fell below SU&D for you.

        • Crappy

          To be honest, I am not too bothered about either so I don’t mind if Metalhead ends up above SUD. You have Metalhead in your top 3 so probably why you are wondering it is so low for me. I actually enjoyed Metalhead for what it was. Just a straight up survival thriller. But I think best black mirror episodes have a great rewatch value and I don’t think any exists here. They did not leave any clues about the reason behind this kind of state of the world and not sure about the decision to shoot in BW, maybe I missed something but what did it add to the episode? I also believe that the best Black mirror episode makes you think about the merits/demerits of technology, not sure Metalhead does that for me.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I’ve still only seen USS Callister, but the general consensus I’m seeing is something like:

            Hang the DJ
            USS Callister
            (gap)
            Black Museum
            Arkangel
            (gap)
            Metalhead
            Crocodile

            So I’d actually like to know why you’re down on USS Callister and @Taako_From_Teevhii:disqus is high on Metalhead (without too many spoilers of course).

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I think there’s a distinction between simple and boring. Metalhead was simple for sure, but I think it accomplished everything it was trying to do very well. Just on the basis of being solid (or more) across the board and not having any real glaring weaknesses, I rate it highly. Looking back, my placement of it might influenced by recency bias because I had just finished watching it before posting my original comment. So I could swap it with BRB; but I wouldn’t drop it any further.

          • Crappy

            I know that I rate USS Callister less than others. I think I did not care about AI bots version of humans stuck in virtual world as much as the show wanted me to. I am also not a Star Trek fan so the parody stuff works less for me too. I guessed the ending about 30% of the way into the episode and half expected the show to subvert the same towards the end and was disappointed that the ending was somewhat predictable. The revenge porn subarc felt out of place to me given we knew very little about Cole in real life and it just plays the role of distraction. I think a Black mirror episode concentrated on some kind of AI actively blackmailing real life folks using such information could have been good but here it was just a side note. Overall the episode was enjoyable and in time I may end up ranking it more after a rewatch but don’t see it climbing more than 2-3 spots.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I haven’t read anything about the B/W, but my best guess would be that it supposed to strip the episode down to its barest parts: man and machine. Those are the only things we should be focusing on, not the background or the desolate setting the episode takes place in (which is really all that the color informs).

            Another (more out there) guess is that our viewing the world in black and white is a reflection of how the dogs see the world with their radar-esque mapping. Is there a message in there? Maybe, though I wouldn’t know what it is.

  • Happy New Years.

    May this year be will better than the last.

  • forever1267

    Now I have that Stevie Wonder song stuck in my head….

  • sharculese

    @Taako_From_Teevhii:disqus

    Have you listened to the pre-episode for Amnesty yet? Because I have a lot of thoughts about it regarding the future of TAZ.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I have. I didn’t really dislike anything about the setup, but we’ll see how that plays out. I don’t like the comparison to Stolen Century (obvs), but I think the game mechanics are different enough (despite being PBTA) that I am hopeful going in. I want to see hear what you’re thinking about.

      • sharculese

        Well yeah, nothing about this episode told us anything about how this arc will go, it just got me thinking about a couple of things regarding the show.

        1. I think they need to make Griffin permanent GM, at least for the main arcs. I’m sure he doesn’t want to only GM and not play, but I think he’s happier in that role and more importantly, I think his improv skills are the best when he gets to respond to the players’ decisions and say “cool, tell me what that’s like.”

        2. When Griffin was talking about not wanting them to play the Chosen because nobody was supposed to be the star of this adventure, my immediate reaction was “no, I’m fine with Justin being the star” and then he immediately affirmed why with the clever spin he put on the character. All of them have important roles on the show, but just like I’d like them lean in to Griffin as GM, I’d like them to lean in to the fact that Justin takes more naturally to the roleplaying part of the experience.

        3. I’m excited about doing another PbtA game, and it has nothing to do with Stolen Century. The problem there wasn’t the system, it was that Griffin wasn’t giving them enough opportunities to make decisions. I like the idea of something that allows the game to go more freeform and I wanna see what they do with it here.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Yeah, the group roles/dynamics of Balance were optimal bc you had everyone playing to their strengths. So if/when Griffin is back as the long term GM, I’ll be happy with that. But the change of GM pace during pilot season was necessary following the end of Balance.

          Tho I wonder if there’s some significance to Griffin being the GM again before Juice and Trav take a turn.

          • sharculese

            In Justin’s case it probably just comes down to the fact that he’s expressed nervousness about GMing. Don’t know about Travis.