Purple Rock Survivor Podcast: Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers episode 2 “I’m a Wild Banshee”

Andy and Matt broadcast a live video podcast, along with a not-live but not-edited-for-content audio podcast version, talking about the action-packed second episode of Survivor: Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers.

WARNING: As this was recorded live, Matt’s potty mouth and my dry cough remain intact. Choose your listening audience accordingly.

Purple Rock Survivor podcast: Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers Episode 2 “I’m a Wild Banshee”

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In this episode, Andy and Matt discuss:

  • If this week is an improvement and the slow start to the season.
  • If we believed for a second that Simone wasn’t going home?
  • If there was any logical reason to vote Patrick out instead of her.
  • Is Patrick in real trouble now?
  • How Andy was proven wrong by this episode. Or was he? (He was not).
  • Chrissy’s spot in the game.
  • How Joe is like Dolly the Sheep’s early clones.
  • Was Cole’s blunder a sign of a bad player or just a poor moment?
  • Who we’re excited about.
  • Heroic, Healing, and Hustle moments of the week.
  • The most obscure sports reference in the history of the podcast.
  • Ranking the hottest dudes on the cast.

If you have questions or comments, @ us on Twitter, or send us an email (purplerockpodcast at gmail).

  • corndogshuffle

    The lack of effort in the “Matt and Andy discuss stuff” section is peak PRP. Kudos y’all.

    • TheForRealDeal

      I like to imagine that Matt removed objects from his shelf, just to give the impression that he couldn’t be bothered to dress it up beyond two bobble-heads, and I want to say, a metronome?

      • Purplerockmatt

        that is my fantasy football trophy thank you very much, and also I just got this bookcase and haven’t filled it with books yet. So I moved the bobbleheads and the trophy from elsewhere and put them on the shelf to make it seem less empty.

        • TheForRealDeal

          My story was funnier.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        The metronome counts down the time before he turns back into Mark.

    • purplerockandy

      Just so no one thinks you’re crazy now that I’ve updated the post.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ce31bfc6ca02b76906b9af3045d3091e8958a6800fe40d603f67bb6fa8e36adb.png

  • HBO CEO of Tits

    I love stuff

    • purplerockandy

      Who doesn’t?

    • Hornacek

      Don’t eat the stuff! It’ll kill you!

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Larry Cohen and Michael Moriarty! The B-movie Scorcese and DeNiro.

  • Side Character

    Hipster pandering: Damn, Andy! You’re going all out on the pandering this time. Some all-time classics in the background. This is why I love video podcasts–that and the possibility of Andy’s kids showing up, because they make every podcast better.
    I guess the Survivor stuff you guys go on about is okay, too.

    • purplerockandy

      I’m sad to inform everyone that my wife actually stopped my kid from coming in. And he wasn’t happy about it.

      • Side Character

        Nor are we.

      • Judson Helland

        That’s the only reason Emma sticks around

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Thank you for letting me know so I don’t have to suffer looking at you and Matt for no reason.

        • purplerockandy

          No one should.

      • Hornacek

        I figured you’d arrange to have your kids come in multiple times just to troll Emma since she wasn’t there to witness it and gasp with delight.

    • purplerockandy

      I’m curious if anyone will get the one on the far right.

      Which I just bought today when I certainly wasn’t looking for a copy of David Bowies’ “Heroes” so that I could stay on theme because that would be a ridiculous thing for a man my age to do.

      • gouis

        I lose my music credentials because I don’ know it.

        Also last year I got my wife a copy of Heroes for our anniversary (it was our first dance) and it’s a Canadian pressing. So I have yours.

        ALSO you should just wait until they release the new pressing in the next couple of months. All the previous ones have sounded incredible.

        • purplerockandy

          It’s pretty obscure, so don’t feel bad.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I know I’ve seen it in a record store (disclaimer: fellow old) but I can’t even hazard a guess.

      • There were some subtle trolling of Matt in that grouping as well, right?

      • Max_Jets

        Tegan and Sara – Under Feet Like Ours

      • Mike Hirsch

        I feel like the reissues of Bowie’s albums haven’t gotten to the Eno years yet, so it might be a tough find.

        • purplerockandy

          That explains a lot.

      • Hornacek

        I was trying to figure out the framed picture on the wall facing the door behind your right shoulder.

      • BadPlayer91

        I know that i’ve seen it before, and i’m on the case.

    • purplerockandy

      Since everyone missed out on kid interruptions, I thought I’d share a new family photo we had taken. Because I’m very dad.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f4e7e9af96bceb1d73b7f29b217a063de426be74a5f8ceb55e21d54811b41844.jpg

      • StormofCuteness

        “Family photo” seems to be missing the parents of these adorable orphans.

      • Violina23

        Awwwww. I have a similar shot of my girls from last fall…

        #TheyGrowUpSoFast
        #GetOffMyLawn

  • Diego Armando

    I think the reason we are drawn to Ben is because he is naturally charming.

    • purplerockandy

      Entirely possible. I’m not ruling out that he may be good at this. I just don’t want to give him extra credit for simply not ruining all the inherent advantages he has this early in the game.

  • Judson Helland

    You’re lack of effort is A+ exceptional
    Keep up the great work!

  • Everybody went immediately hard (phrasing) on the Survivor HHH Hot Guy rankings in the episode thread, so that’s where those are, if anyone listening wants to join in.

    In its stead, I’ll rank the PRP staff, where everyone ties for first.

    • Purplerockmatt

      first? or last?

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I have never been more insulted in my life.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Hey, you got a shout-out on a certain other Survivor podcast with a couple of former contestants (for your line about how looking at JP must be what it’s like to have face-blindness).

        • Purple Rock Emma

          My time has arrived. Later, chumps. I’m too famous for you now.

          • Hornacek

            Emma : Zayn = Purple Rock : One Direction

          • Hornacek

            Stephen said your observation was very “astute”.

  • gouis

    We should discuss how not only does Reddit think that was the best episode in like 5 years, but that JP is clearly the hottest contestant on the show. And that his personality really pushes that hotness to the next level.

    • Maritimer

      Man, those opinions are both wrong. *climbs up on high horse*

      It was a good episode, but there was even a better episode LAST SEASON (Sugar-gate) along with several in MvGx. Even if you’re a Sandra-hating and/or strategy-hating heathen, this can’t be the best in the last year, let along 5.

      JP is hot, but his personality (or lack thereof) certainly doesn’t help his cause.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        But he’s easy-going, you know, and he’s got abs and things like that.

        • Maritimer

          Both true! But there is no world in which he is better looking than Cole. He’s just so…basic

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I think in my Hot Guy ranking for this season, he can’t get higher than fourth.

          • Maritimer

            He flips with Devin between second and third for me (Patrick is just not my type). I think JP is going to get the most island hot, but the blandness will keep him a bit down the list

      • Despite the fact that last season was not great overall, it had some stellar episodes. For all its flaws, we got Queen Sandra running shit and talking shit for several weeks.

        (We also quickly lost Tony and Malcolm, then got to lose all enjoyment of Varner.)

        • Maritimer

          Yeah, the tribute to the Queen in the first several episodes was fantastic.

          • Streets_Ahead

            It was pretty good. And then we watched the rest of the season . . . Future survivor Legends/All-Winners/All-Stars season players remember when Sandra gets voted out the season turns to shit so do not do that.

          • I have said this before Game Changers with Sandra is A/B season (the other tribe stuff ruins it), but Game Changers without Sandra is D/F season.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Hey, I’ve been meaning to ask you: what is your beef w/Cambodia specifically? Are you just trying to slow everybody’s roll? Do you think Wentworth was robbed? Were there too many shenanigans at the end? The T-Bird snub?

          • Hornacek

            “You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.”
            – Barbara Anderson, about Cambodia

          • BadPlayer91

            This is a top notch comment on a top notch comment. Cheers all around.

          • Hornacek

            I should pull a George and leave on a high note, not returning to comment again until next Wednesday.

            But I think we all know I’m not going to do that.

          • Other Scott

            Pretty much. Though it wasn’t just Sandra, there was also Malcolm, Tony, JT who were really helping to pump up the pre merge entertainment level. You can even argue the Debbie fiasco was something!

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          It’s really only a) the boot order, b) Varner outing Zeke, c) various other returnees tarnishing their legacies, and c) advantage-palooza at F6 that ruined GC. That’s plenty, of course, but my point is that it was far from a travesty on an episode-to-episode basis. And a better boot order, assuming everything else stayed the same, would have improved it bigly. The Red Wedding, for example, would have been spectacular if it had taken out, say, Culpepper instead of Malcolm.

          • If Sierra or Brad had gone home there, we might’ve had an amazing season. (Although I still would’ve been disappointed that we lost Tony so soon.)

          • Maritimer

            Damn straight. They don’t lose the next immunity challenge and the best tribe (minus one) ever possibly runs the table (and that moment probably doesn’t happen)

          • Other Scott

            I just think no one was enjoying themselves post merge and it turned into just pure strategic discussions given in a dry manner and pretty much nothing else. It was just so…not fun.

        • Max_Jets

          The Sandra stuff was top tier, but we did have to check in with the other tribe(s) and that was never fun.

      • BadPlayer91

        Yeah, JP is hot, but he’s not the hottest on this season, and clearly his lack of personality bring him further down. Even most of his pictures look like he’s thinking of nothing most of the time.

        I’ll give JP maybe second fiddle to Cole, but like, Cole still blows him out of the water. Mmmm, Cole. Abs on Abs on Abs…

        I will note this: I don’t know if island time will be good to Cole. I could see him being the antithesis to island hot, and JP seems more likely to gain in island hot.

        • Maritimer

          I agree. I said somewhere else that I think JP is going to get real island hot. I don’t know what will happen to Cole, I’m just relieved he doesn’t yet appear to be growing disgusting facial hair

          • BadPlayer91

            Based upon the smoothness of his body, he could be one of those mystical “doesn’t grow hair on most of his body” people, but i’m thinking when his beard comes in, it may not be great…

            But his muscles will remain great…

    • Super duper fan

      I don’t check every possible thread on reddit, but JP was very talked about person pre-season BECAUSE of how boring he was. He became basically a meme, because his answers during the pre-season press was pretty much ALWAYS a variaton of “I don’t know much about this person, and things like that. We’ll see what happens”. After every interview was released, reddit was going crazy because they were dumpfounded that he pretty much gave the same answer every time, and that he couldn’t come up with something new. (btw his “things like that” counter is on 2 right now on the show).

      And I could understand thinking JP is the hottest, I’ll myself admit that he looks better on the show than I had expected him to be. And while this episode is definetely not one of the all time best, it was really enjoyable, and I guess that the opinion that this is one of the best ones is from a minority.

      • The one thing I actually enjoy at r/Survivor is going to r/Survivorcirclejerk and making fun of r/Survivor. Although I haven’t done even that in a while.

        If you’re ignoring personality- and let’s be clear, you’d have to be- I can see that opinion on JP being justified.

    • Streets_Ahead

      I went to see this and potentially make fun of it but found no evidence of this being true. Am I missing something?

    • Max_Jets

      This comment reminds me of political memes that cherry pick the most batshit phrases from random people and use it to represent “the other side.”

      • gouis

        If I can’t cherry pick reddit posts to trash on PRP then what is even the point of the internet?

        • You’re doing the lord’s work here.

    • Other Scott

      *hiding my opinion on how I think JP might be the hottest contestant on the show*

    • Mike Hirsch

      JP is absolutely the Avatar guy, which is also a movie I can legitimately say I have never seen. Not in a superior way or anything, and not in a “I haven’t seen any movies in 20 years” way. I legitimately never got around to it.

      • Hornacek

        Does this mean JP’s twin brother was originally supposed to be on this season, but he died and JP was chosen because of their matching DNA?

        • Mike Hirsch

          I’m assuming this is an Avatar reference and therefore I will say, ok sure!

          • prettyboyprobst

            You’re the resident excited-about-Ghost-Island-person, right?

            If so, you may be interested in this post on reddit about an Hungarian season:
            https://www.reddit.com/r/survivor/comments/74kck7/my_mom_watches_hungarian_survivor_heres_what_she/
            Please tell me, that’s not what they are planning!

          • Mike Hirsch

            My official stance is that Ghost Island is already the most disappointing season of Survivor because it will never live up to all the cool ideas I’ve got in my head that revolve around the name “Ghost Island.” So, yeah, that idea sounds terrible, and more in line with what I expect them to actually do.

        • purplerockandy

          Holy shit. Did Hornacek actually remember a plot point from Avatar?

          • Hornacek

            This has been another installment of “Hornacek Remembers Plot Points Of Financially Successful Movies That Everyone Seems To Hate”.

          • purplerockandy

            To be fair, I remember the plot point of “the fuck with their ponytails”.

          • Hornacek

            Don’t forget the implied bestiality when they lock their braids with the braids of the animals they ride around on.

          • purplerockandy

            I’ve been trying to.

          • Sylvisual

            But, Papyrus…

      • Purple Rock Emma

        I never saw Avatar either.

        • Hornacek

          You’re gonna be totally lost when you see the 7 sequels.

      • I got it from Netflix in 2010 and tried watching it three times, but I fell asleep every single time.

      • Violina23

        I never “saw” Avatar, but I predicted pretty much the entire plot.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Question for everyone who expressed interest in listening to TAZ as a group: What amount of time would you want to spend per week listening to an extra podcast? Also, please indicate whether you’ve listened to TAZ before or if this is your first time through. Everyone’s answers influence how this gets structured. And we’ll probably take over the comments of a Monday or Tuesday post to talk about it (but like, obviously not this Monday or Tuesday).

    • sharculese

      Put me down for whatever amount of time, I can always fit it in.

      Also have you had a chance to listen to Episode 0 of TAZ: Commitment, yet?

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I haven’t gotten a chance yet, but I’m going to listen to it tonight. It helps that it’s only 1:22 and not the 3-hour swamp mess the original character creation was. (Also, we’re listening to the one-hour super cut version on the relisten). So I’ll get back to you tonight about it.

        • sharculese

          I’m still gonna listen to the full character creation episode so I can do a comparison on how THB started off and where they ended up, but it makes sense to ease everyone into it with the edited version.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Ok, so first notes: I LOVE what Justin’s doing with his character, and I can’t wait for Kardala antagonizing Nadiya antagonizing Remy. I think Griffin’s backseat GM’ing was a little much, but I do think that he’s the one feeling the most pressure to see the new arcs succeed. So I kinda understand. I just hope he gets to a place where he can let go and just play.

            Also, do you think three episodes per week is a decent schedule pace? Except for live shows (which I think we should skip for the purposes of what we’re trying to do), almost all of the episodes are around the one-hour mark until you get to SC. The only issues is that we get weird cross-chapter stretches, e.g. E16-18, which is the finale of Rockport, one Lunar Interlude, and the beginning of Petals to the Metal.

            Although now if I do the math, three episodes per week puts us five months out from finishing the Suffering Game. Four per week gets us under four. Five seems too much on a weekly basis. Maybe four? Ugh, I don’t like this at all.

          • sharculese

            “I think Griffin’s backseat GM’ing was a little much,”

            Oh man, I know. The whole time I was thinking, ‘Griffin, you need to have some chill about this. This is not your baby anymore.” I get that he’s coming off having a greater degree of control, but I also think he’s just, in general, the most uptight of the the four of them, and that’s shining through. He’s not as fluid at ‘yes, and-ing.’

            But yeah, the character choices are interesting, and I think they’re going to make this fun. I’m excited for the experimental period.

            As for episode blocks, I wouldn’t worry about doing the same number of episodes every week. It’s better to look for natural breaks in the story than to have a set timing every time. Sometimes I think we may even need to drop down to just one for the week, like for instance, when THB meet the Chalice, because there’s just that much to talk about.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Griffin is very far from being decent at “yes-and”ing, and that much shows in MBMBAM. Justin’s great at it (as you would expect with his background), and that also shows in TAZ. I do find it ironic that Griffin is sometimes quick to jump in and shut things down, but when he wants to goof bad, it’s “plaaay with meeeee.”

            Also, apparently they said this arc would a short 3-ep series, and everyone’s like “oh-ho-ho, it’ll be more like 6 then!” and I’m just like … yeah. Why would anyone have ever thought this story was going to end before 2018?

            Ok, so my memory of how episodes break down narratively is shoddy at best, so whatever schedule you think is best, I’m down with. That’s probably something we figure out as we go. I think four episodes is the maximum for any given week though. We should probably post something on Monday or Tuesday to let people how we’re starting.

          • sharculese

            Yeah, he can stiffen up at the worst times. One of the reasons I like Rosebuddies/Wonderful! is that Griffin is so much looser when he has Rachel to bounce off of.

            I’m skeptical about the 3 episode thing too, but I’m not worried because as long as they’re doing fun stuff it’ll be fun.

            As for the first couple weeks: HTBG is 6 episodes counting the character creation, so we could just do two a week, which I think will break down fine. When it gets closer, we can decide whether to stick the first lunar interlude with the end of arc 1 or hold off on it.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Sounds good, though the lunar interlude is three episodes long, so that could stand as its own week.

    • If I do join in (and I can’t promise that I will), how long are these podcasts? I usually run out of podcast material for the gym mid-week and begin searching for stuff (and I usually end up on something from NPR, because they’re nice and short).

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Usually somewhere between 60 and 90 minutes. They can stretch to 2 hours if it’s a chapter finale. But if you listen on 1.5 speed (which I recommend generally), you cut it down to 40-60 minutes.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I’m so perpetually behind on the podcasts I subscribe to that I’m always surprised to hear someone say they run out. Just podcasts from the big aggregators alone (NPR, BBC, Gimlet, Panoply, Max Fun, Radiotopia, Crooked Media) is way too much, not to mention the indies and the entire Survivor podcast industrial complex (which I know you don’t listen to).

        • My podcast rotation, in no particular order:
          Comedy Bang Bang- Weird choice since I generally can’t stand improv, but I’ll listen if they have guests who are funny (I skip any episodes with Horation Sans, for instance)

          Planet Money- I am who I am, after all

          Marketplace- Again, gotta stay on-brand

          This American Life- Often subject-dependent for me

          Reply All- Only recently discovered this one while desperate for podcast content at the gym. It’s fine but I’m not a huge fan of the hosts.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Your Venn diagram lands on Slate Money, Pod Save America (and its spin-off Lovett or Leave It), Revisionist History, WTF, and Radiolab (although the really old episodes, which aren’t available in the podcast feed anymore, are better for the latter two, WTF because Maron has run out of people to tensely make amends with, Radiolab because they keep going further and further off-brand).

            Reply All is right on the bubble for me. Every time I think of deleting it they do something spectacular like the two-parter about the call center scam.

          • I listened to the call center episodes. They were entertaining enough.

            I don’t think I’d be interested in Pod Save America. Just from seeing the tweets those guys put out, there’s something about them that really rubs me the wrong way. I don’t know if I’ve even nailed down what it is, but I think it has to do with the non-activism of focusing on delivering Twitter burns as proof that your side is correct.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            PSA is kinda cathartic to listen to, but I’m on Twitter and listen to Maddow daily, so they’re almost redundant to my feed at this point.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I’m just the opposite. For me PSA substitutes for Maddow, Bee, Oliver etc.

          • Purplerockmatt

            PSA is a commitment. Multiple hour plus episodes a week? That is a LOT

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            You said, to the person recapping Australian Survivor.

          • purplerockandy

            John is a classic self-loathing liberal too. So that’s an issue.

          • This is true. I rant about liberals in our staff chat as if I’m not one.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I guess I can see that. Maybe just Lovett or Leave It then. It’s less insular since it has guests and audience participation.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Horatio makes some of the best episodes if he goes off the rails. Specifically, Scott/Benny Schwaz/Horatio are almost always a great combo.

          • Disagree. And I used to love Benny, but he’s gone downhill for me a bit lately.

            Time for another list! Best CBB guests, in no particular order:
            Paul F. Tompkins (this is in particular order- he is #1)
            Brendon Small
            Cameron Esposito
            Jason Mantzoukas
            Jon Gabrus
            Claudia O’Doherty

            I’m probably forgetting a few names in there.

          • Max_Jets

            This Lauren Lapkus snub is unacceptable.

          • Only because New Lapkus has sullied the rep of Lapkus Classic.

          • Max_Jets

            Damn, I haven’t listened much in the last year or two so that is disappointing. I might have to go listen to one of her old Regina Crimp podcasts.

          • I loved that she could never finish the song.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            The example I have in my mind is the New Years episode a year or two ago when Horatio played a character who kept mispronouncing “peanuts.” It was extremely juvenile but extremely funny.

            I’m signing off on the names you have on there, though I’m not sure if Cameron fits in here bc she never really plays a character. Not even in the way that Claudia or Gilly Jacobs does.

            I’d add vintage Lapkus and Gemberling. Gemberling almost always hits it out of the park, even though he doesn’t appear as often as other guests.

          • I almost included an “unfortunately, Lauren Lapkus no longer makes this list.” Vintage Lapkus was great stuff.

            And Cameron plays the ward of JW Stillwater!

          • Taako From Teevhii

            And yet none of that made it into the latest episode w PFT, Cam, and Rhea.

          • That was still a great episode. I think I just enjoy the dynamic between PFT and Cam.

          • TheForRealDeal

            Andy Daly, Thomas Middleditch, Jessica McKenna…

          • Daly yes (though he hasn’t been around as much lately), hard pass on Middleditch (his characters don’t amuse me), and yes on McKenna.

    • Super duper fan

      This is my first time listening through it. And I would most likely have time for it for 2-4 hours. With 2 hours I would definetely get through it in a week, but I think I would be able to manage 4 hours, so if you all want more time to spend for TAZ, I wouldn’t mind 4 hours at all. It would definetely became a problem for me if it was over 4 hours.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        It would be a problem for most of us if it was over 4 hours.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Agreed! How long is a story arc?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            The early ones are 6-7 hours. The later ones are 10-11. So there’s a balance we have to strike between not doing too much per week but also not making run too long overall.

    • I am game for whatever.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I can’t get over the fact that Andy uses the iPhone headphones’ mic to record. And he calls himself a quasi-professional podcaster.

    • sharculese

      To be fair, Andy and John have always been clear that they’re luck to break even on this hobby.

      Which, side question: Andy, do you guys still get money if I use your link to buy something on Amazon but it’s with a gift card?

      • You’re asking Andy about something financial? Thank you, kind sir, for the hearty laugh you have provided me this morning. Yes, we’d still get money if you bought something using a gift card.

        When we had those obnoxious ads right above the comments last November, we actually got so much Amazon credit from that one month it essentially paid for 90% of the hosting costs for the year. That was an aberration, of course, and I’m sure Amazon won’t be offering that deal ever again (I think it was something like 3x or 4x as high of a percentage as we’d usually get), but it’s not a money pit. Even if it was, it’s a hobby and hobbies are worth spending money on.

    • purplerockandy

      I used to use bigger headphones but they leaked sound more than the iPhone buds. I am an old, so I don’t have any of those fancy new headphones.

    • Mike Hirsch

      You can’t get any more pure than their analysis though.

  • Hornacek

    I’m glad this was a video podcast so we actually got to see Andy coughing so much instead of just hearing it.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Because Chrissy is mentioned in the blurb and Andy claims he wasn’t proved wrong, I have a question/theory. Is Chekov’s fake idol guaranteed to go off? Disregard for a second that the editors included a confessional from Chrissy saying she could/would use it as a fake idol. In the premiere, there was incredible narrative tension around whether or not Chrissy would play her idol. In the end, she didn’t because she knew Katrina would go home. So what was the point of including the idol story when it didn’t influence the outcome of the only tribal it could be played at? If it was for narrative tension, they could have achieved that by editing in Katrina’s kookiness and making it a decision between voting out a grating presence (Katrina) or a loose cannon (Alan). There had to have been enough material for the editors to craft that narrative if they wanted. And moreover, if they cut the idol story completely, you probably get more time to meet the new cast because then you don’t have to show Ryan finding the idol or him talking to Devon about who to give it to. Arguably, that’s the better way to edit the episode IF the defunct idol has absolutely no influence on the entire season. But that didn’t happen, so I think we’re almost guaranteed to see it come back as a fake idol.

    So TLDNR: Andy is still wrong about Chrissy because if she doesn’t use her defunct idol as a fake idol, we’d never have even known she had it in the first place.

    (I haven’t listened to the podcast yet, so ignore this if it was talked about already)

    • sharculese

      If the Ryan/Devon stuff pays off down the line, or even just if Ryan is going to continue to matter you have to include those scenes.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I disagree just because if Ryan and Devon are tight enough that it matters, then there are plenty of other discussions and opportunities to show that.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          As much as I’ve stanned for a production-made fake idol in the past, I think @sharculese:disqus is right (although your reasoning is sound). Remember the pre-merge summit in MvGX, where David pledged to work with Faylor? In retrospect, that was only included to characterize David.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            You’ve made me think of two things, though I’m not sure if my position has changed.

            (1) I’d accept that if Ryan/Chrissy becomes a thing, then all of these scenes are necessary, even if the fake idol is not used.

            (2) David/Faylor was included to characterize David, but also because there was nothing else to show from that summit. If nothing’s happening at camp (and with half of the cast at this thing, nothing’s happening), you show the summit. And if nothing’s happening at the summit besides eating, you show David/Faylor. Then it also looks like the opportunity to strategize that production intended and not like a reward that wasn’t earned. The summit seems like a roadblock the editors had to get through (and also like a forced metaphor about generations coming together), whereas you could easily edit around the Ryan/Devon idol talk if you wanted to.

          • It was also used to show why everyone was starting to get sick of Paul except for @sharculese:disqus

        • sharculese

          Ryan is clearly a person we’re supposed to be invested in. He did a big thing in the premier, so of course they show it, especially given that most of this cast is seemingly made of randos they found wandering around Ikea.

          I’m not convinced giving Ryan the spotlight is time that’s better spent showing us Roark or Jessica or the third woman I’m assuming White Collar Beauty the Healers have.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            This is a great disrespect to Desi (so I’m not sure why John upvoted it), but Ryan’s narrating ability is fine, so use his confessionals instead. This is the point where I should admit that you have a valid point, but I’ve interacted with Andy enough to not do that.

          • Streets_Ahead

            Who is Desi?

          • sharculese

            That wasn’t a joke, I really did not remember who the third woman on the Healers was. I only know who Roark is because the internet keeps trying to make Roark happen.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Stay strong, Taako.

            But seriously, everything they showed us in these two episodes is apparently so important that it was worthwhile to purple Nerd Sorta Hot, Generic Survivor Hot, and Get-a-Hall-Pass Hot.

          • Maritimer

            Chipotle. They found Cole at Chipotle.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I’d have thought he forages for berries and catches fish in the river with his bare hands. That’s what wilderness guides do, right?

          • Maritimer

            Just Wigglesworth

    • purplerockandy

      Man, are you gonna feel dumb when you listen and realize that I’m right.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Oh wait, we’re supposed to listen to the pod?

        • Roswulf

          Well, we are supposed to listen when Mark is on!

          • Sylvisual

            The viewership on that Gabon podcast would say otherwise.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Normally a rematch of Gabon would draw dozen of listener.

  • giorgos

    It was a good episode even if the outcome was predictably. And I’m kind of shocked that my favorite right now is Ben. I was so ready to hate him from the first second on the boat when I saw his face, job and heard his accent. Maybe he’ll be a total douchebag when he gets more screentime but as of now I’m pleasantly surprised with him.

    • I feel like we would be getting hints of douchebag by this point.

  • Streets_Ahead

    Hot take. Cole Medders has impressive muscles but the face of a not very smart person. Overall I think Earl Cole is the more attractive survivor Cole.

  • I only recognize Kid A amongst the album covers in Andy’s background and that irks me. My rep of being a “music person” is being challenged…

    • purplerockandy

      Zoom! Enhance!

    • the sky is falling

      That’s My Bloody Valentine ‘Loveless’ and Joy Division ‘Unknown Pleasures’ probably one of the most famous album covers of all time. Don’t know what the far right album is.

      • I remembered Loveless after my post but still couldn’t get the other two.

        • purplerockandy
          • Gave up and did a Google Image Search. I’ve never listened to much Joy Division, though I know some of the bands I do like owe a debt to them.

          • BadPlayer91

            Given that their discography is pretty small (just the 2 studio albums and some decent compilations, particularly Substance), i’d recommend you give those a listen (or a review, heh). Pretty amazing. Then go and listen to Power, Corruption & Lies by New Order.

          • the sky is falling

            If you don’t know Age of Consent from Power, Corruption and Lies, you arent living. Especially this epic disaster live version with Bernards amazing short shorts!

          • BadPlayer91

            Age of Consent is my favorite New Order song, and the reason I got into them. It’s beyond classic. Also, this video, lol

          • the sky is falling

            I laugh every time that out of tune guitar kicks in and they turn it off. Then he rips the thing off the mic. No singing ability required either.

          • BadPlayer91

            Curse you, now i’ve listened to Age of Consent like 4 times in a row…

          • the sky is falling

            Here’s a bonus for you bad player. Live version of Lonesome Tonight with naughty bernard. “You reached out in your sleep, and you felt my big fat cock.” haha

          • the sky is falling

            One last one. Best NO song ever. Sorry to clog the survivor comments, heh.
            Your Silent Face

          • the sky is falling

            got to be the only album cover that has a documentary about it.

        • the sky is falling

          still at a loss as to the far right cover.
          woulda been hilarious if there were new albums every time it cuts back to andy.

  • Maritimer

    1. “Cole has abs, apparently” yes. yes he does. Like 8 of them. No apparently about it.

    2. Archie is a daywalker, not a ginger, per the South Park definition

    • BadPlayer91

      Yes, his abs have abs have abs. And he has a package. We have certainty of man goods and not just a Ken doll smooth crotch.

  • To play Devil’s Advocate: the argument that Katrina is annoying and Chrissy isn’t means Katrina would still be the first target if she was still around… runs contrary to what you were saying earlier about Patrick being annoying but Simone was the obvious vote. Honestly Katrina might have had a chance to prove herself had she stuck around with a swimming challenge like the one we had this episode.

    Other than though, I like Chrissy and think she’s a good player so far, but if you’re argument is that people are giving her too much credit too early, then I agree completely. I still think she made the right decision for her social game but her argument for how she could use the fake idol made no sense.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      The reverse meat shield strategy. A certain other Survivor podcast with a couple of former contestants made that exact point.

      The exit interviews are pretty clear that a) Chrissy was not interested in allying with Katrina, and b) the votes was definitely on Katrina. The show needed to obscure this to make the vote suspenseful (to the extent that it was).

      • purplerockandy

        The only exit interview we have to shine a light on the voters decision is Katrina’s, who presumably wasn’t in on the convos.

    • Roswulf

      I’m not sure there’s much of a contradiction. If two people are equally alienated from the majority, the annoying one is the likely target. That was the Chrissy/Katrina situation last week, at least as shown on the TV show.

      But Simone and Patrick WEREN’T equally alienated from the majority. Patrick was inside, Simone was outside. And the fact that Patrick was annoying wasn’t enough for the rest of the majority to turn on one of their own.

      • Katrina may have had a chance to prove she was a physical asset once the swimming challenges started. We’ll never know. But yeah, I get your point, I may have been stretching a bit there.

      • purplerockandy

        Also, in the early game, buff guys have more leeway than moms or minority women. Or women in general.

        • Roswulf

          Absolutely. If you are a buff white guy, it’s really easy to end up as an inside part of the opening majority. Everyone counts you when they count to four.

  • Max_Jets

    @superduperfan:disqus After starting and completing like 5 other seasons of Big Brother throughout, I have finally completed BB8 and I have some opinions! I also watched the first 5 episodes of BB9 and…wow. It’s a lot of things so far, but it certainly isn’t boring. My jaw has dropped several times already.

    • Super duper fan

      I’m interested to hear them!

      I personally really enjoyed BB8, but it’s definetely not one of my favourites. The cast was good, with stand outs being Donatos, Eric, Jessica and Jen-ius.

      One of the main things worth talking about this season are obviously the twists, and I loved the “former enemies” twist, and wasn’t a fan of the America’s Player twist at all. The first one was great, because we saw dynamics of pairs trying to overcome their roadblock which was put in front of them. Seeing Donatos’ dynamic was especially great and probably one of the best thing about this season.

      On the other hand, I’m not a fan of TAP twist, because a) forces a player to make decisions which are very often bad for their game, and b) it takes away from others’ games. It really put Eric in a lot of bad situations, which ultimately cost him the game. But I will say thay Eric despite many obstacles, played a really good game with what was provided with him, and it’s a miracle he got as far as he did.

      Jen was a really unique character, who was really fun to watch. I wasn’t really a fan of her basically not trying to win, and that she did basically the same thing as one of the biggest dead weights in reality TV history, but she fortunately compesated with being a really entertaing person to watch. Her crying over the picture was one of the FUNNIEST things ever in BB, and her eviction week was definetely the best week of the season, because it was a perfect ending in hers and Dick’s rivalry.

      I thought Dick was a good winner for this season, while I absolutely think that he wouldn’t be close at all to winning withthout TAP. Personally, I would definetely prefer if Daniele won in the end, because I thought she played a better game, plus she was such a badass in all of the competitions, that it was hard for me not to root for her (I was very annoyed with her relationship with Nick, because it took her away from the game, but I can get past that). But in the eyes of the jury it definetely didn’t matter for whom they will give their vote for, so I can’t be too mad about it.

      And I’m actually at the same point in BB9 as you, because I didn’t had time to watch the rest of it yet, And yeah, it’s definetely…..something.

      I can’t wait to hear your own thoughts!

      • Max_Jets

        The America’s Player twist is interesting because I expected to be 100% against it, but ended up finding it kind of fascinating in parts. I think it led to the best weeks of the season (Nick’s eviction, the Donatos’ attempt to backdoor Eric, Eric/Jessica teaming up with the Donatos to take out Dustin) and it was interesting to watch Eric try to save his own game while doing whatever the hell America wanted him to do, but it also sucked to watch it sink Jessica’s game (who seemed to be a really good player) and set up a really boring endgame. I wish it had been dropped around final 7, because Dick/Daniele having a 3rd person who is fully loyal to them with no one knowing about it was just too much at that point. I also thought it was really stupid to make Eric campaign for a player in jury.

        I went back and forth throughout the season on whether I liked it or not, and whether it was too negative and unsatisfying for me. Ultimately, I ended up fairly neutral. I started the season by being immediately charmed by Jen and her ridiculousness with no investment in anyone else, but I grew to like Dick, Daniele, Eric, and Jessica and I grew to adore Jameka. Jen was just wonderful to watch and I really admired her ability to let everything Dick threw at her just roll right off.

        Jameka though. I understand how grating it is when contestants play with God, especially as someone who isn’t religious, but I do think people knock on these players too much. When a religious player says God is sending them a sign or they can feel whether or not to trust someone through God, it’s generally just another way to frame reading people or using intuition and I do think Jameka seemed to be a pretty savvy and intuitive player. I believe I heard that Eric said on a podcast that Jameka got a terrible edit and that she was a wonderful person, but I guess that just shone right through the screen for me because I found her so lovable! She was such a badass when she was going toe to toe with Dick and just seemed like such a sweetheart and I’m a little buzzed while typing this but I love Jameka!

        Anyways…all in all I thought it was a decent season but also far from the top for me too.
        As for what I was most confused about this season: why was Zach cast?

        • Super duper fan

          While she wasn’t my favourite that season, I also really liked Jameka. I thought she was very likable, and I do connect with her as a christian myself, so that stuff wasn’t grating to me (although I thought that her strategy of “playing for the person who drew her ball” was a BIT too much for me, but it’s nothing worth being angry over).

          Zach was cast as what was Arlie from BBCAN2, but he failed miserably. I was glad he didn’t win.

          And what was your opinion of Amber? I…wasn’t a fan. I thought her crying was too much even for me, who doesn’t mind that, because I’m myself an emotional person sometimes. And I just can’t pinpoint why, but there was something unlikable about her.

          And I decided to give a season rankings of BB seasons that I’ve watched after I watched another season to have more of a mental state where every season is where for me:

          14. Big Brother 19
          13. Big Brother 18
          12. Big Brother 4
          11. Big Brother Canada 4
          10. Big Brother Canada 3
          9. Big Brother 2
          8. Big Brother 8
          7. Big Brother Canada 2
          6 .Big Brother 6
          5. Big Brother Canada 1
          4. Big Brother 5
          3. Big Brother Canada 5
          2. Big Brother 3
          1. Big Brother 7

          • Dubious Rob

            Here’s a good reason to hate Amber: she told Jameka that she didn’t trust Eric because he was Jew and Jews were known for being sneaky and untrustworthy.

          • Max_Jets

            Jameka playing for the person who drew her was the only problem I had with her and it made me disappointed by her as a player at the time, but I came around on her as the season went on. Agreed on Amber, but also what @dubiousrob:disqus said.

            I find Big Brother seasons much harder to rank than Survivor seasons. I don’t know if it’s because of the length or what, but for Survivor I immediately have strong feelings about a season while in Big Brother everything just blends together. Also, apparently I didn’t actually like Big Brother 8 very much, but here is my very rough ranking:
            1. BB5
            2, BB10
            3. Big Brother Canada 5
            4. BB17
            5. BB3
            6. BB14
            7. Big Brother Canada 2
            8. BB7
            9. BB6
            10. BB4
            11. BB15
            12. Big Brother Canada 4
            13. BB11
            14. BB2
            15. BB8
            16. BB18
            17. BB19
            I still haven’t been willing to watch the Big Brother Canada 4 finale, so it might be lower if I finally do (though I know what happens).

          • Super duper fan

            From the seasons that I’ve seen, good rankings! Personally, I really recommend BBCAN1. I thought it was a really fun season.

            The only season that I’ve actually disliked was BB19, so my experience has been pretty good as of right now (I’m a bit of a BB18 apologist, while it is 2nd last season in my rankings). And your problem with ranking the BB seasons may be because there is no “storyline’ set in place in them. In Survivor, editors craft a storyline, and because of that we feel like it’s ranking seasons of some scripted show, but with BB we don’t have that. I don’t know if I made any sense, but that’s how I see it.

            The BBCAN4’s endgame was such a bummer. The fact that from that Final 5, from which 3 of them would’ve been a really good winner for the season, we got SUCH an unsatisfying Final 2 really dragges this season down, and what’s worse for me is that arguably a worse finalist won, because of an Amanda level bad jury questioning performance. And it sucks because there were some really great moments, and while cast is definetely the weakest from the canada ones, it still was ok. And I actually was really wavoring whether to put BBCAN4 or BB4 higher. BBCAN4 had a better journey with the terrible Final 2, and BB4 had an at most ok journey with a worse cast, with arguably the best Final 2 in all of Big Brother and Survivor history. I ultimately went with BBCAN4, but it’s close.

          • Max_Jets

            I definitely plan to watch BBCAN1. I have heard mostly positive things and I really loved Gary on BBCAN5, which I didn’t really expect.

            BB18 builds to two really good weeks – the house flipping against Paulie to take out Zakiyah and Paulie’s eviction week – but I think Victor’s 2nd return really derails the game, especially since I was rooting for Natalie and Michelle. It’s not terrible, but I think of it as mediocre.

            It’s really too bad Jun and Alison were wasted on a dull cast. The game shifts in interesting ways and has a good house division, but the personalities are just lacking. BB4 has to be my favorite finale. Everyone’s disgust with the two of them was just so funny to me. As for BBCAN4, Cass and Tim are just so fun and energize the entire season and even though Mitch got completely screwed it does lead to an entertaining balls to the wall final week for him. I just cannot stand the brothers though.

            I thought about putting BB2 a lot higher, but it just moves so slow that I couldn’t justify it. Even though it’s probably “better” than some of the seasons I have above it, it just wasn’t as entertaining to me.

          • Super duper fan

            Gary was really fun in BBCAN1, so I hope you’ll enjoy it.

            The best thing about Jun and Alison being the final 2 is that it was the best possible final 2 for both of them, since they wouldn’t beat anyone else (well, apparently people think that Jun would’ve beaten anyone, but I think it’s a revisionist history), so seeing them get there together to the very end was incredibly satisfying, plus they were definetely the best people in the cast. And I cosign about everyone feeling disgusted about that final 2 being funny (except Jack, because he’s awesome).

            I definetely think that if I rewatched BBCAN4 in the far future, it could very well jump up the rankings, because it did have a lot of good in it. And any season with Cassandra, Tim, and Nikki in the cast can’t be bada season.

          • Max_Jets

            Man, if Robert had won it may have been my least favorite season. I think it’s hard for Jun to win against anyone else too but I do feel like that final 2 would be a bit of a toss up.
            Jun votes: Alison, Jack
            Robert votes: Justin, Erika, Nate
            Swing votes: Jee, Dana (though I feel like these might lean Jun? I don’t know)

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Purple Rock Emma got another RHAP shout out!! You’re famous (even though I can’t @ you for some reason)

    • BadPlayer91

      You can only @ when someone has commented already I believe…

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Aha! Thanks 🙂

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Not true! @SNPalsy:disqus and @stormofcuteness:disqus can tell you all about it.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Also neither of them have been in the thread yet, so that’s proof that you can do it.

          • BadPlayer91

            Well then fuck me.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I’m copying and pasting for you, @sweaterfan:disqus , and anyone else who wants to know:

            Disqus tagging is a function of @-names, not screen names. For example, my screen name is Taako From Teevhii, but my @ handle is @Taako_From_Teevhii. If you click the link in my name at the top of this comment, it’d show you my profile page and my @ name. You can share a screen name (e.g. anyone else in the world who wants “John” as a Disqus screen name), but @ handles are unique. So that’s how Disqus knows who to notify.

            If you want to tag someone on mobile or to tag someone who hasn’t yet commented on the post you’re in, you’d need to type @, their handle, then “:disqus.”

            The main problem is that you’re then required to know someone’s @ handle if you want to tag them. But Disqus never shows you that unless you look for it. So it’s kinda a non-starter.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Barbara Anderson’s @ is a ridiculous code so I don’t @ her, but @badplayer91:disqus is easy.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            @ names are easy to change (I think) so everybody at the PRP should do it. Or at the very least, make their screen name match

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            So who were you before you changed your name/avatar? I haven’t been able to figure it out.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            You mean the first time or the second time?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            The time before this one.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Back in the old AVC days, my profile based on myself (in fact, my oldest avatar is now my Twitter heading). But then Disqus logged me out and I was too lazy to log back in, so I just didn’t use Disqus for a summer.

            When I decided to come back, I wanted to be more anonymous, so I changed my profile. I always liked portmanteaus, so I made one based on a condiment I liked. But I decided to go with the easiest name I could think of, which was a former celebrity and sports figure (and an allegedly murderous felon).

            I used that for a little bit, but then I realized my screen name was no better than “AileenWorcestershirenos.” So that had to change, and I transitioned my profile into this one. Though clearly, not slowly enough. A lot of people don’t realize how long I’ve been around here.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I remember when you changed it, I just couldn’t figure out what it was.

          • Blurry Denzel

            I tried to change mine and got told to enter a valid username so I gave up immediately.

          • That’s the spirit!

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Did you have a space in it? I don’t know how you get that message.

          • Blurry Denzel

            I did have a space to match my name and then I took it away and it made no difference.

          • BadPlayer91

            Calling me easy? I ain’t easy?

            Okay, i’m pretty easy…

          • Hornacek

            Like Sunday morning?

          • BadPlayer91

            I saw him at Bonnaroo a few years back and he was SUCH a joy. I was really surprised.

          • Hornacek

            If I went to see him and he wasn’t wearing magnetic boots that let him dance on the ceiling, I’d be very disappointed.

          • BadPlayer91

            If someone made that available to him, i’m convinced he’d take advantage of it…

          • Same.

          • I am fixing that soon enough.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            @BarbaraTheWitch:disqus

            Niiice! I know what I’m changing mine to! Except… I made a promise…

          • Don’t you do it.

          • purplerockandy

            That sounds suspiciously like work.

          • Hornacek

            http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s–YkJK8LUP–/lmhlajtdc8bi2l1spw5q.jpg

            (Feels like this is the second time this week I’ve posted this pic)

          • Taako From Teevhii

            It’s astounding that you’re able to nurture and raise a podcast, as well as two kids on top of that.

          • Hornacek

            I suspect Andy has a lot of unpaid interns who think they’re getting college credit (spoiler: they’re not).

          • Hornacek

            So how do we edit our own @ handle?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            You are already @hornacek.

          • Hornacek

            This comment feels like my 2nd grade substitute teacher should have given it to me on a piece of paper as he rides a train out of my life.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            The Canadian school system is a strange and miraculous beast.

          • Hornacek

            We learn that “u” is the most important vowel because it’s added into words where it’s not needed just to piss of the Americans.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Go to your profile page then Settings >> Account. Though your @ name looks good; why do you want to change it?

          • Hornacek

            I don’t want to change it, just worried that people may not be able to @ me.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          It’s true.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            palsy pls

    • Hornacek

      Anyone interested, it’s at the 55m mark of the podcast. Rob and Stephen try to solve the mystery of what Purple Rock Emma’s real name might be.

  • Hornacek

    Was it just me, or when Andy listed what he was thankful for, he said his family, Matt, Emma, Mark, the listeners and the commenters, and that’s it. Seems like he left someone out …

    Unless he did mention John’s name and I just missed it – I did watch this in the food court.

    • BadPlayer91

      in the food court? Like, of a mall?

      • Hornacek

        My office building is connected to a mall so I go down there for lunch. Our office’s lunch room is too small, and my life is not sad enough for me to eat at my desk.

        • BadPlayer91

          office building connected to a mall…Do you work in Downtown Oshkosh, Wisconsin?

          • Hornacek

            Oshkosh B’gosh?

            No, I work in downtown … ah, I see what you did! You were trying to get me to reveal my location! Sneaky, sneaky.

          • BadPlayer91

            Lol, no. My company recently completed work in Oshkosh, which has an old mall in their downtown which was converted to a business center with numerous office spaces.

          • Hornacek

            Not in Wisconsin. I, along with Andy, are members of the Token Canadians Body (or TCB) on this site.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Someone fact check me, but I’m pretty sure Wisconsin is Canada. I was just there last month.
            😉

          • Hornacek

            You mean all those years I ignored That 70s Show I was ignoring home-grown entertainment?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Hope you enjoyed the dumb dog saves the day show that you watched instead.

            If the dog was so great, why did nobody try to adopt it?

          • purplerockandy

            It couldn’t settle down.

            But maybe tomorrow…

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            *Snip. Snip.*

            “Fixed your wandering problem!”

          • Hornacek

            John is right.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            John thinks it’s a dumb idea for a show, too?

          • Also yes.

          • Yes.

          • purplerockandy

            Look, we all know that if Hobo wound up in your yard, you would’ve added him to your Home for Wayward Animals.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            No dogs for me. I draw the line at chickens.

          • Hornacek

            DAMN!

          • Hornacek

            Because he can’t stay for long, just turn around and he’s gone again.

          • Hornacek

            There was one episode that was basically a clip show where a reporter was researching all of the stories across the country where people’s problems were solved by TLH and he suspected they were all the same dog (but nobody believed him). He called TLH “Superdog”.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            This dog travelled across the whole country of Canada? Do you realize how crazy that is? I’m starting to think that you and Andy made this up to tank the Diff’rent Strokes theme song’s chances of success in the poll this offseason.

          • Hornacek

            Six years is a long time – that dog could have gone from coast to coast to coast many times.

            Diff’rent Strokes did teach me that washing your hair with acid rain will turn it green. And to stay away from stores run by Gordon Jump.

            Speaking of theme songs, I think it’s time I admit that I stuffed the ballot box to get the Magnum P.I. theme to win. Phew, I’m glad I got that off my chest, I feel a lot better.

          • SNP asking the real question here. Maybe you could work a side gig in investigative journalism if the union hall will let you.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I thought about responding to this with a picture of me with my magnifying glass and pipe, but… wrong kind of pipe.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I was born and raised in Wisconsin, so I’m about 70% sure it’s not part of Canada. But the difference is negligible.

            (Edit: That’s not true. Canada would never have voted for Trump)

          • prettyboyprobst

            I’m sure there is a HRC-joke in there, but I’m not deplorable enough to look for it.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          I eat Lean Cuisines in my cubicle every day because my life is that sad.

          • Hornacek

            I find that if I eat at my cubicle, even if I literally have a sandwich in my mouth, someone will come up and ask me “Are you on lunch? Do you have a moment to look at this for just a second?”

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Yeah people are the worst. But I’m short and my cube is in the back so people don’t realize I’m here most of the time. Is this starting to sound like I’m a character straight out of Office Space? (Yes.)

          • Hornacek
  • Mike Hirsch

    My swag shirt just arrived! Here I am wearing it while listening to a funny story someone was telling me, caught in an entirely natural and not at all posed fashion. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2f0437a171869e85d3ec981aaa980ccc9d6cf62bb08a9516c32beed851218476.jpg

    • Hornacek

      I should have gotten my shirt first since it didn’t have to go through customs at the U.S. border.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Hey everybody! David Cross listens to the Purple Rock Podcast!

      • Hornacek

        “Looks like I just purpled myself.”

        • BadPlayer91

          well done.

  • BadPlayer91

    Matt “I’m not holding that one against Cole” PHRASING

    Mmmmm, Cole….

  • Hornacek

    When I get home I will test the new Amazonca link through this site to buy an actual purple rock for sale on Amazon.

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Dhac1X0nL._AC_US218_.jpg

    • META

      • Hornacek

        Igneous, I think.

        • Sylvisual

          You misspelled ingenious.

          • Hornacek

            Oh, did I?

  • My thought process approaching the end of the podcast:

    They’re going to close it out with a Petty song.
    Wait, that description from Andy doesn’t sound like Free Falling…
    Oh crap this is the video, I need to listen to the audio version
    Frantically pulls up the audio
    Fast forwards to the close, hears I Won’t Back Down, nods approvingly

    RIP Petty 🙁

    • I had a similar thought process. After watching the video and hearing Andy’s thought process, I was like “What Petty song fits that description?” and I thought for three seconds and went “Oh duh”.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Very similar to my experience with this podcast.

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    I’m only halfway through and it’s true – I AM really unhappy with the designation of Joe, the probation officer, as a healer. P.O.’s put people in jail so… yeah. No.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      And it’s a lot easier to lie to one than Joe thinks it is.

    • Vagabond

      Maybe they think he’s healing people like Joe Arpaio of the scourge of not having people to horrifically abuse without suffering any repercussions?

    • Roswulf

      They tried to sell it in episode one as him focusing on rehabilitation. Yeah, I’m not buying it either- either about the state of parole in the US generally or Joe in particular.

      This is be far my least favorite version of the Brains/Brawn/Beauty division. It’s not prompting anyone to do anything interesting, and it’s arbitrary even by BBB standards.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I remember his intro video where he says he works with violent felons, who he said “can’t be rehabilitated.”

        • Vagabond

          ugh… well a career that gives you arbitrary and near complete power over people most of society doesn’t care about does tend to attract a certain type of person.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        It was probably not fun to be sitting next to me when I saw his profession on the screen and what tribe he was on.

        https://storyatlas.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/boo-gif.gif

    • pufflehuff

      I’ve only watched a bit of this season so far but agree that this is a terrible definition of healer. Usually I quite like how absurdly far they’ll stretch a concept and, as my job has some correspondence to Cole’s, am into the idea of identifying as a healer without any medical skills but this is definitely too much…ugh!

      Also, as I said, I haven’t seen the whole thing, but I wasn’t clear how Chrissy was a Hero either and the intro of ‘made loads of money probably through finance’ didn’t exactly scream hero to me either.

      • “the intro of ‘made loads of money probably through finance’ didn’t exactly scream hero to me.”

        HOW DARE YOU.

        • pufflehuff

          You know you want to be a Hustler like a Wolf on Wall Street or a bellhop.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            #BellhopStrong

        • Mike Hirsch

          The rich need heroes, too.

      • Alycia Swift

        The definition reminds me of blue collar where there really were only 2 blue collars on that tribe: mike the oil worker and Kelly the cop. The definition included something to the effect that they built this country on their blood sweat and tears. Really? A hairdresser did that? A barrel racer?

        At least most this tribe does fit the description – doctor, nurse, physical therapist, etc.

    • NearlyNina

      Also in his preseason bio/video he keeps going on about how his job is “not about rehabilitation” but about tricking people into telling him the bad stuff they’re doing. So….

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        Yup, that tracks. Also, “tricking people into telling him the bad stuff they’re doing” = taking advantage of people in their most absolute vulnerable state, making them feel safe, and then reporting them for technical violations (which are not crimes). He sounds like the worst fucking kind of P.O.

    • Mike Hirsch

      On the topic of Joe, I just want to add that his “This mark on the clue is the raft” was *so* off-base, so perplexing, that I got totally confused and couldn’t wrap my head around what it could actually be. So his astute powers of observation are actually lacking, which probably makes him an even worse P.O.

      Also, it reminded me of this: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c4/8a/1b/c48a1b1e7768e5db4fc2fbb9025bdcad.jpg

  • Vagabond

    If you’re trying to understand what makes you like Ben, I think it’s just that he comes across as extremely genuine. he doesn’t seem like he’s trying to make himself into a character, he’s just out there being who he is and most people are drawn to that. His particular demographic is not a group that I interact with often or even that I’m particularly fond of, but he just comes across as a nice, chill, sincere dude. It’s the same reason a lot of people liked Jay from millennials.

    • Roswulf

      I think it’s notable that Ben’s big confessional this episode was about how he has completely bailed on his opening alliance. And yet…he still comes across as a genuine, nice, chill, sincere player to an awful lot of viewers. Whereas someone like Ashley, who has dealt rather calmly with her alliance mate coming after her for no comprehensible reason….doesn’t.

      To be clear, I’m not saying Ben has done anything wrong at all. I have basically no feelings on Ben at all. But the “yay Ben!” attitude feels to me like a great study in how little you have to do to read as the reliable hero- both to your tribe mates and the viewers- if you fit the reliable hero demographics perfectly.

      • There’s something weird about Ashley that I can’t put my finger on. Meanwhile, Ben just seems like a normal dude.

      • Vagabond

        I’m certainly not discounting his inate appeal based on “young white maleness”, but there’s way more to it than that. To chalk his appeal up to that and to say Ashley is getting treated differently that him because of that is a bit of a simplification. There are several other people on this season who fit in his group and I don’t think they give off the same vibe as Ben. Also, you can be a genuine sincere human being and still lie and backstab and play survivor. You can also come across as super fake and trying too hard and be a loyal and inert player. For the record, I’m not a huge Ben fan, I rarely go in for the good old boy aw shucks I love God and my country types (sorry if you aren’t actually like this Ben I am totally stereotyping based on what information I have), but there’s a difference between liking someone and recognizing they come across as genuine and have charisma.

      • NearlyNina

        He has a hick accent! He can’t be a bad guy or lie if he has a hick accent!
        If Survivor has taught me anything it’s that.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          This is truth.

  • NearlyNina

    I legit thought Andy was doing a Kermit the frog voice in the opening… I kept trying to figure out how it being hard to be green or rainbows was going to factor in.

    • purplerockandy

      I’ve been fighting a cold all week. Even my wife thought I was someone else when listening.

  • DrVanNostrand

    Following up on Andy’s comments about gingers, I would like to add the following:
    “Like vampires, the ginger gene is a curse, and unless we work to rid the earth of that curse, the gingers could envelop our lives in blackness for all time. It is time that we all admit to ourselves that gingers are vile and disgusting. In conclusion, I will leave you with this: if you think that the ginger problem is not a serious one, think again.”

    • StormofCuteness

      *Frowny face*

      • DrVanNostrand

        Don’t feel bad. I’m just quoting Cartman from a great South Park episode.

        • StormofCuteness

          I hate you less now. 😜

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Look, I know the taste can be a little sharp, but I think all this is a bit much. Just don’t eat it.

    • purplerockandy

      I want to be clear: I don’t hate gingers.

      I hate MALE gingers. Lady gingers are a’okay with me.

  • patti renshaw

    Why didn’t they just copy the other tribes challenge duh

  • patti renshaw

    Hope Alan stays team tv 😋

  • Any reference to Dolly the Sheep is good in my book!

  • StormofCuteness

    During my insanely horrible 6 days of the flu, we watched Cagayan since my fiance hadn’t seen it. Is it just me or was Spencer a sexist entitled ass about Kass? I admired her game play so much. Why was she so hated? It’s hard, watching it again, to not feel it was because she was an unapologetic female. She keeps getting called a goat, and yet, she made big moves, won individual immunity, and missed final two by half a second.

    • Super duper fan

      I love Kass, but I personally don’t think she played that great of a game. I thought her flip was a really bad move- she wasn’t in a tribe with the side she flipped to, so she was basically going to the side who could’ve been very well a really tight 5-some, and would in the end get Cochran-ed, and it wasn’t like she was in any way on the bottom on her side. Fortunately for her, it wasn’t that tight, but I think she rather lucked out that she got as far as she did, rather by anything she did herself.

      I do concede that because she was a female her mistakes were greatly magnified, and if she was a man, maybe they would be forgiven. But it doesn’t change the fact that if I was in Spencer’s and Tasha’s shoes, I would be PISSED that she flipped on me when I was on her side. If she at the very least flipped back to her own side, maybe I wouldn’t be as down on this move as I am, but alas.

      • StormofCuteness

        And yet, Tasha never ever (that we saw) treated her with the distain and ridicule that Spencer did.

        I also don’t agree that Kass didn’t earn her top 3 position. She played a very saavy game to do just that and as mentioned, missed the finals by half a second.

        • Meanwhile, Kass was shown to not really like Tasha both during the pre-merge and at the merge.

          • StormofCuteness

            True and boy did that mess her up their next time out.

            Still, you’re saying the confessionals play into creating Kass as a villian agst the “heroes” Spencer and Tasha. (And hey, I love Tasha too)

      • Violina23

        I didn’t love Kass’ game play either during Cagayan, but the more I’ve heard her off-season, the more I have enjoyed her as a person. She is, unlike a lot of players, very self-aware of herself and how she came off. I appreciate that.

        I’m curious how she would have fared in the late-game of Cambodia

        • Super duper fan

          Kass is great. I may be very harsh at Kass as a player, but no one has to convince how smart she really is. I just don’t necessarily think that how smart someone is necessarily translates to their ability as a player.

    • purplerockandy

      I don’t doubt that there was a little bit of sexual politics at play. But Kass also rubbed people the wrong way by being fairly inscrutable and, of course, turning on them thus ending their chances of winning. Which tends to bother people, male or female.

      He was far from the only person who had disagreements with her that season.

      • Alycia Swift

        Cochran did the same thing. People were pissed.

        • StormofCuteness

          I don’t remember Cochran ever being portrayed as a villian.

          • Yeah, because we were given a massive editorial justification: why would Cochran side with the people that have antagonized him the whole pre-merge? Meanwhile, Kass’s logic was shown to be “Sarah is in control. Why can’t I be the one in control?”

          • StormofCuteness

            I don’t even get why that was played up as villainous tbh. Isn’t everybody who is really playing the game trying to be in control? I feel she had an accurate read on Sarah, and the way things would go. Sarah would have kept playing both sides and been making decisions where Kass wouldn’t have been in a position of power.

          • It was more petty than villainous TBH, but the Brains were these heroic underdogs so Kass was betraying Spencer and Tasha.

          • StormofCuteness

            Yeah, definitely the narrative.

      • StormofCuteness

        He just seemed butthurt in a way Tasha wasn’t. He even mentioned her “hormones” and continually downgraded her intellect. I think her narration of the season was, by far, the most accurate.

        Are you talking about things you’ve heard elsewhere because the only other arguments are with Trish and Tony way far into the season. And in both cases, Kass wasn’t in the wrong.

        • purplerockandy

          Morgan called her an old hag. Sarah kept shooting her dirty looks. There’s a reason everyone thinks Woo made the biggest mistake in Survivor history by not going to the end with Kass.

          • StormofCuteness

            Morgan is my least favorite narcissist female player ever. Anyway, I understand she’s seen as hated and a villian. I was saying that I think those feelings for her are sexist/ageist and unjustified. Morgan’s horrific multiple confessionals are examples of exactly what I’m talking about.

            Also, Trish hated at least 3 women. Morgan hated everyone who didn’t cater to her.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            If there were ever another version of the Woo “archetype” I would be willing to bet he would get no votes even if his last move ousted the obvious winner.

          • StormofCuteness

            Interesting. Why do you think?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            It already happened.

          • StormofCuteness

            Stop being cryptic. I clearly have no clue what you’re alluding to. Please give actual details.

          • Max_Jets

            Ken voting out David.

          • StormofCuteness

            Thank you. Ahhh, yeah, I guess I liked Woo so much more as a personality than Ken this didn’t even occur to me.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            JUDAS.

          • Other Scott

            I’ve always seen Ken as more of a Coach type than a Woo type

          • StormofCuteness

            As handsome as Ken is, he didn’t really give off much personality to me so I can’t see him as a Coach type either. He seemed too interior for that comparison.

            Clearly, I was not on-board the Ken love bus.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I don’t even know what to say to you guys anymore

          • StormofCuteness

            I am so sorry, Em. I’ve hidden this from you because I was deeply ashamed. Can you ever forgive me?

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Don’t accept.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Ityay asway Enkay.

          • StormofCuteness

            See my reply to Max!

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            YOU PROMISED

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I didn’t know you were bilingual and it wasn’t the hashtag! I haven’t used the hashtag since I promised!

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            You’re adorable but NO

          • I don’t know if I would say that Trish “hated” people. Lindsey and her were never going to get along because they are both abrasive personalities.

          • StormofCuteness

            I base this on Kass saying all the names of people Trish had said she “hated”, and Kass saying, “That’s a lot of hate.” She said this in front of other tribe members, and no one disputed it.

          • I forgot about Morgan…I often forget about Morgan.

          • StormofCuteness

            Yeah, I wish I could. Ugh.

          • Max_Jets


            I think this scene is very revealing about Kass’s social game that season. It’s also a wonderful Tasha scene that I wish had made the edit.

          • StormofCuteness

            I agree it’s a great Tasha scene. I don’t think that Kass making emotional moves means she played a poor game though. Tash stirred that up knowing that Kass took the heat for it while Tony and now Trish try to take credit. Can you imagine Spencer’s ego if he didn’t get credit for a big move?

          • Max_Jets

            Trish was hardly taking credit, even though she deserved it. It’s like if Lil was demanding credit for all her flipping.

            I think Kass trolls everyone when she feels attacked to make herself feel better, which is fine but it makes her a shitty social player. I also think it’s unfair to suggest that Trish (also an unapologetic female) hating 3 women shows that she hated Kass because she was a woman, when you said you hated another of those 3 women and most people agree that the 3rd women (Lindsay) kinda sucks. I mean, I do think sexism played a role in Spencer’s treatment of Kass, but that doesn’t mean Kass handled herself well.

            Sorry, I get real defensive of Trish.

          • StormofCuteness

            Didn’t mean to hit a nerve. But uh, in that scene Trish is trying to say she, more than Tony and more than Kass, deserved credit for Kass flipping on Sarah. We definitely see this differently because I see that as Kass’s decision and also one of the big reasons she’s treated so poorly by Spencer.

            I do like Trish as well, but yes, I think she had more issues with women than men. Many women do. I never said Kass was great with people, but I do think the edit was more damning than her actual play dictated. She was very self-aware, and did not pretend to be someone she was not. Plus, she made her own decisions and was not a henchman for others.

          • Max_Jets

            Yeah, you’re right, she was taking some credit. I guess I think she was downplaying her role, because I always see it as Trish and Jefra deserving credit for the move while Kass was making a lateral move (though…I actually do think her flip made sense). Perhaps I am assuming too little agency in the flipper. Sorry, I didn’t mean to misrepresent your position. Her social game I guess would be my answer to your question of why she got so much hate, in addition to people naturally being upset with flippers and…yeah being a woman at the same time. So I agree? I also think the women of Cagayan did for the most part have stronger personalities than the men (Jefra and Tony aside), so that’s why I don’t read into Trish’s squabbles as much. But yeah, it is a clear pattern and it wouldn’t be surprising if she has these issues outside of the context of the season.

            I’m not sure about Kass’s edit though. I will say that I thought her edit made for wonderful television, but Kass herself has also said that she doesn’t think she got a villainous edit. Perhaps her edit represented the rest of the cast’s perspective on her game to an extent? It’s obviously much fresher in your mind than it is for me though, so I don’t know.

          • StormofCuteness

            Oh yeah, it made for a great season! I was mostly miffed that I don’t remember people being annoyed by Spencer’s utter lack of regard for her gameplay and the sexist things he said.

            Or really that she was called a goat by so many when she actual won immunity and almost won the last challenge. I mean there have been goats who seriously made no plays at all! I guess it irked me that she is lumped with them.

            Thanks for helping me figure it out!

          • Max_Jets

            I’m also like, coming around your take as I typed my counter arguments.

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    So this episode (of Survivor, not the podcast) got under my skin a little bit. I’m feeling a bit of fatigue from the last season, and Millennials v. Gen X was an offender in this way as well (wait, most seasons of Survivor tho). Simone described it better in an exit interview than I can – she effectively said that she’s never going to call these guys racist, but in the early days, race is a proxy for other information. There’s always going to be alternate explanations. But the difficulty connecting and the difficulty “blending” or whatever – it’s not a freaking coincidence (and just because Ali is unbelievably attractive and ridiculously socially brilliant doesn’t make this untrue for other women of color). Whatever. I’m coming out of night court. I’m probably not explaining things well. And I’m also in a mood from night court because injustice. Rabble Rabble.

    • StormofCuteness

      Yeah, the fact pretty much all of us could guess she would be an early boot is seriously disheartening.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        The social-game path is narrow for East and Southeast Asian women in ways particular to them. Conform to the model-minority stereotype and you get run over (and in all likelihood you don’t get cast in the first place). Defy the stereotype and stand up for yourself and you’re a bitch (based on her preseason interviews I thought this would be Simone’s downfall). Keep your thoughts to yourself and you’re sneaky and untrustworthy. Express yourself and ugh, you’re the worst, just shut up already.

        • StormofCuteness

          Wow, you nailed it. That’s exactly the issue, and it’s really problematic.

    • TheForRealDeal

      Right, it’s not racism per se, but it’s the implication that there are only certain ways to behave on Survivor (which race informs), and you either have to conform or be literally excluded from the game. I think Mari said in her exit that she felt like she was back in grade school, which seems an apt comparison for the type of dynamics at play, and which is disappointing given the opportunity a show like Survivor presents to celebrate the interaction of disparate personality types.

    • Roswulf

      My dream for future Survivor is a return to Cook Islands/Fiji casting. We’d still have these dynamics, but they’d be interesting, and well, dynamic, as opposed to a death march to the guillotine for the women of color season after season.

      • What’s great though is that Cook Islands ended up with more females in the jury phase than men IIRC.

        • the sky is falling

          see above, this argument is flawed. show is fairly evenly divide between men and women

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Yup. Structural racism/sexism/ageism, rather than the conscious varieties. Or in other words, yet another example of Life’s Lowest Difficulty SettIng. Young strong men are needed to build the camp and win challenges (never mind that both immunity challenges so far ended on puzzles). And of course they fit in (unless they’re truly toxic like Shannon Elkins) because what is the yardstick for fitting in? So if young strong men are off limits the first vote, and you have to vote out SOMEBODY, guess what?

    • the sky is falling

      I’m sorry, but with all due respect, I’m gonna have to respectfully disagree with you here. Out of 34 seasons, there have been 15 white female winners, 4 WOC, 2 MOC, and 2 gay men winners. Outnumbers the straight white male winners (only 13?/34). While I agree that women especially women of color have an uphill battle, the numbers just don’t add up. I didn’t even count the minorities in the FTC. Less than half of the winners are straight white men. To me, your argument doesnt hold. Chrissy could have stayed woman strong if she chose and Simone could have stayed if she did ANYTHING in the challenge. I generally dispute the contention that survivor is male centric, it’s more inclusive than most reality TV.

      Prove me wrong, i am open to it.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I’m not going to do a regression analysis or anything, but the phenomenon we’re discussing right now (POC and especially WOC getting booted by default at the first tribal) seems indisputably to be a real thing. There’s a phase of the game (the immediate post-merge) where those young strong men tend to be taken out, so yeah, by the end of the game the numbers even out. But even that is asymmetrical: if you’re not endangered until around Day 20, you have plenty of time to get the target off your back.

        • the sky is falling

          Fair enough. Perhaps there is more a factor of “Structural racism/sexism/ageism” than intentional. I don’t particularly intend to die on this hill, but I find there is often personality based rationale on the early vote outs beyond race and gender.

      • Max_Jets

        “Less than half of the winners are straight white men.”
        Well I would hope so, considering significantly less than half the population are straight white men. Two of the seasons with people of color winning did come from casts with only 25-20% white non-hispanic people. She also did not mention sexuality, which is tricky to compare with race.

        What’s strange is that the early targeting of minorities is a bigger problem for recent seasons:
        https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2016/10/survivor-racial-bias-early-votes/
        From S26 to S33, people of color were about twice as likely to be voted against as their white tribemates at the first tribal council.

        “I generally dispute the contention that survivor is male centric, it’s more inclusive than most reality TV.”
        The success rate of men and women in Survivor is fairly close to equal in terms of winners, though I would say the show’s editing has a clear trend of favoring males. I also don’t think “more inclusive than most reality TV” means there aren’t problems with it.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Men of colour have won 3 times once without the ‘race wars’ approach to casting. And that 3rd one was a returnee season where race always becomes less of an issue due to previous relationships.

  • I have another food of thought: You mention how Ryan is better than Cochran 1.0 and David in the social game. There is a massive caveat to this: look at all three of their starting tribes. Savaii was the cool kids with Cochran, Dawn, and Papa Bear as clear outsiders. Gen X was a tribe that skewed to the older settled-down people with families that David (IIRC) doesn’t have. Meanwhile, the Hustlers is maybe the most deliberately oddball tribe I have ever seen (yes, even moreso than No Collar). In fact, Ryan, Ali, and Devon all gravitate towards each other because they are all “normal-ish”.

    • BadPlayer91

      I guess at this point i’m not fully convinced of Ryan’s social brilliance. I mean, he’s done well thus far, but it’s only 2 episodes in. I really feel like a tribe swap will push him and give us a better idea of how good his social game is. And I agree, he has somehow become the normal in a tribe of oddballs, but if he had started in the Heroes tribe, would he have seemed as safe?

      Also, just in general, I think it’s easier to work a social game early on, when everyone is just looking for a friend and a connection, than after swaps or the merge, where previous connections play a huge part in strategy.

      • Oh gosh, I feel like they may like him because they respect him having an actual job and similar politics

      • the sky is falling

        Ryan sucks

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    I’m wondering if CBS isn’t hiding something from us. On the “Previously on……… Survivor” Probst says that Patrick “found his partner in crime.” I wonder if, like the Brett/Zeke moment, that production is going to spring their previous relationship on us.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Clue number one: Patrick is casual with a crab in his pocket on ep 1, can’t be around them in ep 2.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        I think somebody catches them later!