Purple Rock Survivor Podcast: Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers episodes 12 “Not Going to Roll Over and Die”

The baffling decisions of the twelfth episode of  Survivor: Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers get the uncensored treatment. For real, do not listen to this in a space where you don’t want people hearing certain language.

WARNING: We use bad language in this one. Lots of it.

Purple Rock Survivor podcast: Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers Episodes 12 “Not Going to Roll Over and Die”

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In this episode, Andy and John yell about:

  • Lauren’s decision. Can we defend it?
  • Mike burning up half an idol.
  • How it feels to watch a season where nothing matters.
  • Ashley and Lauren blowing up a final four two tribals after forming it, but one tribal before they’d have a majority without it.
  • Ben’s actions this episode, from reacting to hearing his name out there to how it reacted to the tribal council outcomes.
  • Is eliminating Ben worth blowing up your whole game at this point?
  • How the Queen of the Social Game handled her reward win.
  • That fucking challenge tho.
  • Not a good look for Devon and Ashley to so obviously broadcast their security in the game.
  • Heroism, healing, and hustling.

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  • sharculese

    Fuck yes. Give me this raw anger. Give me all of it.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Date of Program: 12/08/17
    Time of Program: 10:30 am
    Name of Program: Purple Rock Podcast
    Problem Description: Well it certainly seems like no one at the FCC reads these complaints. I’ve submitted many complaints about this filthy podcast, and yet no action has been taken. The amount of profanity that is allowed to be aired is simply intolerable. And just slapping a warning on the cover isn’t enough; how was I supposed to know that “bad language” meant the F-word? I still don’t have children, but I imagine that if I did, they would very interested in the FAMILY-FOCUSED PROGRAM that is Survivor, and I would be beside myself if they had stumbled across THIS DISGUSTING PODCAST. I will be sure to have my nonexistent children listen to the Rob Cestareno podcast AND NOTHING ELSE. But the FCC should still BAN this vulgar podcast from the internet airwaves. And also, don’t roll back Net Neutrality, don’t be fucking assholes.

    • Oh God, please tell me this is a real thing.

    • sharculese

      In the early days of the Spyson Hour someone actually did complain that they cussed too much, so Rob told Spencer and Tyson they were only allowed to say ‘fuck’ once per episode.

      • It must suck to have your livelihood depend on appealing to a broad audience.

        • indescribable hat

          It’s kind of his thing though. Being the guy who can make himself likeable to everyone served him well on Survivor and (presumably) in his fraternity before that. As someone whose personality is not for everyone, I’m fascinated by watching how he makes a podcast that everybody (including me!) finds reasonably fun and unobjectionable. Sometimes I can see him refusing to take a strong position and I get annoyed, but I still usually enjoy it because that’s how good he is!

          Oh, and this is an essential skill for someone who interviews every dummy coming off the show.

          • Oh, I’m not hating at all. I like Rob and respect his game- he’s really good at it. But I also know that he has to censor himself to appeal to that broad audience, and that can be frustrating.

          • That’s why it’s fun to hear some swearing during TEOS-it’s only available for those who are willing to pony up the money.

          • If and when I ever finish watching all the seasons I want to listen to TEOS, how would you grade it?

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I think it’s easily worth the money, although I think the best way to listen to it is to listen to the TEOS for each season right after you watch it (unless you’re just intent on getting through all the seasons as fast as possible, and you’re largely unspoiled on the seasons you haven’t seen, but in which case PRP isn’t a particularly safe place to be either).

            I also can give a very qualified recommendation to the Historians. They have some insights that Rob and Josh don’t (I don’t remember the specifics, but when we did the Micronesia rewatch last year, I remember during the endgame that I was glad I was listening to both TEOS and Historians). However, the signal-to-noise ratio on Historians is way lower than on TEOS, and as Mario can be harder to take as a personality than Rob and Josh.

          • I only discovered the Funny115 recently but I could see where Mario might be a bit harsh. When I realized Mario frequented Survivor Sucks back in the day it all clicked for me. Survivor Sucks was literally the only thing I knew about the Survivor online community back in the day, and it made me NOT want to look for anything Survivor related online for over a decade.

          • I would give it a B+. If you are a fan of The Wiggle Room, then you will like it.

          • I do enjoy the Wiggle Room. That makes sense then.

          • sharculese

            Meh, the reason I stopped listening to RHAP is that I realized that a product that was managed to a broadly appealing to a large group of people was not something I was looking for in a podcast.

          • purplerockandy

            You were instead definitely looking for a show that openly antagonises the people foolish enough to support it with their time and/or dollars.

          • sharculese

            Yeah, I mean, at least you guys have a point of view.

          • I think for someone going for broad appeal Rob still does a good job of pointing out some dumb stuff (he didn’t hesitate to call out Mike’s idol play as a bad move). The product is probably as good as it can be from what I’ve heard, granted I’ve only been listening to it since I discovered it this summer.

  • sharculese

    You need 51% of a dollar bill for it to be legal tender.

    • Well, you’d need that much for Treasury to give you intact currency for it, yes. But I didn’t feel like pointing that out at the time, despite my love for pedantry.

    • purplerockandy

      Yeah, I was about to say “tear it in half”, then figured that half a bill might still be legal tender.

      Up here, I think you need the whole loonie.

      • sharculese

        If you can tear a loonie in half, then I think the cashier should just give you what you want and try not to make eye contact as you leave the store.

      • Hornacek

        I was picturing you in a wood shop drilling holes in a loonie.

    • indescribable hat

      The Purple Rock Podcast: where I can count on someone else to make my pedantic comments before I get to it.

      • We don’t have money. But what we do have are a very particular set of skills- skills we have acquired over a very pedantic career. Skills that make us a nightmare for people like you.

        • indescribable hat

          Oh no, I love having somewhere where I’m not thought of as that jerk who corrects people.

          • I was paraphrasing the quote from Taken.

          • indescribable hat

            Ugh it sounded like a reference I didn’t get but my googling has proven inadequate.

  • Yeah you guys are hitting it. I want to defend Lauren because I enjoyed her as a character and her moves last week were so good. I kept trying to figure out ways to do it. I kept thinking, “Yes, giving away the immunity idol is Erik-level stupidity but she read the room right about Ben getting the most votes, she’s not the first person to be idoled out of the game, it’s not that bad.” But you guys boiled it down to the finest point, the best way to do the things she was trying to do was to keep and play her idol. Anyone trying to defend her is grasping at straws.

    I still wouldn’t mind seeing her on again at some point. If nothing else to see if she learned anything (spoiler alert: based on the exit interview I listened to, I’m not sure if she has).

    Mike did become the locus of activity during that tribal though. I am worried the game is shifting his way, plus Joe’s postgame comments make me think Mike might actually win. Though I have to say Mike might be the winner that this season deserves.

    What a kick in the teeth this episode was. After finally turning things around they sank right back down to the level of episode 9 where I was ready to take a torch to this season. I’m thinking of the Fiji comparison, starting bad then had an AMAZING episode. At least Fiji was decent after It’s a Turtle (if I remember correctly, it’s been a while). But I have a feeling this is going to be the sea of bad that I thought it was going to be after episode 9. And if it is, having that AMAZING episode last week in the midst of that sea of bad may damn well be worse then if it had just been bad straight through.

    Survivor’s been a parody of itself in 2017. Hopefully the show bounces back soon.

    • Maritimer

      She doesn’t even need to play the idol at the same time as Ben. She did have the pulse on Ben getting the most but once Ben plays his idol, she knew it was her, and she could have PLAYED HER IDOL IF SHE HAD IT. Survivor has made it clear that you can play your idol after somebody else has. I think that’s what has bothered me the most. Keep your safety.

      • Alycia Swift

        If she felt she had to give something away to secure Mike, give the “dis”advantage.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Typing cat gif. You said everything I was planning to say. I’d also like to see Lauren back, in part because she’s a good character and in part because she’ll be in a tricky spot next time–people will be severely overrating her as a threat rather than underrating her. I’m actively pulling for Mike at this point because he’s the winner this season deserves. I also think it’s somehow worse that we got a double-episode of fantastic play–this is Survivor: Flowers for Algernon. At least I watched Australian Survivor, so I saw a top 10 season in 2017 (2.5 top 10 seasons if you go by running time).

      • Flowers for Algernon for sure.

        Seriously, Mike taking that .5 Idol and throwing it in the fire was symbolic of the season. What, some good game play? Can’t have that around here.

        *toss*

        *burn*

    • I feel like Mike is winner because otherwise the show has no reason to promote the one person left who never controlled a vote as a master strategist.

    • the sky is falling

      Sorry if someone has covered this elsewhere, but no one knew Ben had a real idol. WIthout that idol, Lauren looks a lot better this episode. No way to really justify everyone voting for Ben, I’m just wondering if this TC was just a case of an unfavorable result influencing peoples opinion.

      Normally, in an episode where one player gives another player an idol and then the idol is thrown away, I’d think ‘Wow, that was a fun vote” And a bait and switch with a fake idol and a real idol in the same episode? And the person voted out left with advantage in their pocket

      I mean on paper, that sounds exciting and amazing.

      • purplerockandy

        There’s also a cumulative effect here, in that this is but the latest episode of someone failing at Survivor basics.

      • Yeah but all that is weighed down by
        1. Someone giving away an idol (a serious no no)
        2. The fact that it really wasn’t a bait and switch by Ben with the fake idol (that I could see anyway)
        3. Seriously considering voting Ben out when it made no sense in the first place.
        4. Lauren shouldn’t have been voted out with the advantage in their pocket because it wasn’t a blindside, she knew it was either her or Ben and didn’t do everything in her power to stop it.

        But yes, I get your point. If this was a straight up, “Hey it was a unanimous vote for Ben but he had an idol, them’s the breaks,” situation then yes, but it wasn’t. I was enraged when I finished this episode, but I came around to your thinking for a little bit before circling right back to being enraged.

        • the sky is falling

          Dangit, now I’m enraged too!

    • Roswulf

      New Comparison: This season is Fiji if after “It’s a turtle” everyone magically transformed into Dreamz.

  • Prom King

    I can’t wait to listen to this and can’t believe I have to wait until after work! Does Andy cry tears of rage over this episode??

  • indescribable hat

    I kept hoping during the episode that Lauren had given Mike some other shell. Because that seems like it would be kind of easy and obvious to do, and no one would give away a real half of an idol for no reason, right?

    It does justify putting the split idol in the game though. I don’t think Lauren hands over an entire immunity idol if that’s what she finds, but having something new in the game gets her wondering how she can exploit it and what she comes up with is this terrible plan.

    • Maritimer

      I’m kind of liking the trend of Survivor putting things into the game that invite people to make stupid decisions. Like this and the reward steal from MvGx. Watching people do dumb things can be entertaining, so long as there is smart people to exploit it

      • indescribable hat

        And that’s what’s missing from this season. Is Devon our last hope for competence?

        • Maritimer

          They way this season as gone, I think I need Devon to disprove the negative at this point. I believe its possible he’s playing up the dumb surfer to float by and there still hasn’t been a real reason to stick his neck out, and he did try to stop this shitshow from happening, but I need to see something from him to give him credit at this point. (None of which is to say I don’t think he can win or that I’m not still going for him)

          • indescribable hat

            Yeah, I’m not counting on him either. But I’ve more or less written everyone else off. Those Ben and Chrissy squabbles are eroding any last good will I have for either of them.

          • Alycia Swift

            They are annoying aren’t they? Its hard to pick a side.

          • indescribable hat

            I am on Chrissy’s side because the way Ben goes after her makes my skin crawl more, but she’s sure making indefensible strategic choices…

          • Purplerockmatt

            ha i’m on the Ben side because of the same reasoning. The way Chrissy goes after him just really gets to me

          • StormofCuteness

            Me too!

          • purplerockandy

            I am not going to praise any of these people again. It just seems to invite them to do something stupid that will make me regret it.

          • Roswulf

            Last week, Devon masterminded a never before attempted plan that enabled them to win a vote 4-2-2 without setting off any alarm bells in the outside four.

            Now it’s possible this was the dumbest of dumb luck. But it was a smart strategic play he created, argued for, and that was implemented successfully.

          • Maritimer

            Okay, I can concede some credit there. That was all well played. Mind you, he beat buffoons. But you’re right, Devon may have disproved the negative there and I’m just being pessimistic at this point in wanting more evidence (which I do)

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          No. He is not.

          • indescribable hat

            If not Devon, who?

          • Roswulf

            I don’t think Ashley has disproved competence. I think her edit shows she ain’t winning, and she’s disproved briliiance, but she has consistently lived within the middle band of Survivor ability where most first time contestants are.

          • indescribable hat

            I’d agree with that, but I need someone to carry my fragile remaining hopes for the season.

          • Other Scott

            I love how we’re at the stage of “not disproved competence” being a positive

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            The cast of season 36.

        • Alycia Swift

          I’d say publicly saying he and Ashley are a pair is not competent.

          • indescribable hat

            It’s…less incompetent than the things other people are doing?

      • Mike Hirsch

        The only thing is, does it really invite them to do these stupid things? Like, we’re talking about ADAM WHO SHOUTS and Taylor aka “Mr. Mason Jar,” and then all of these idiots. I think the stupidity is kind of inherent in the person, and the advantages and other various ephemera just happen to be there. I guess my point is: nothing’s forcing these people to be dumb.

        • Maritimer

          Oh yeah, these “advantages” just provide additional opportunity for them to be stupid. It doesn’t cause it.

  • indescribable hat

    In defense of my defense of Lauren: My position has always been that I kind of enjoy Lauren as a character on the show, and I think I would still feel that way if she were on a different season. The occasional doofus is good Survivor casting; the problem is that we’ve got a whole cast of them.

    • Figaro

      I really enjoy Lauren too. I liked that she giggled at her own stupidity as she was voted out, and found her Ponderosa fun as well. She may have been a pretty mixed bag as a player but she’s a semi-unique character for Survivor and I’d love to see her play again having learned a lesson a two from the moves she made.

      • sharculese

        I don’t want to see Lauren play again anytime soon because if Game Changers taught us anything it’s that the show needs to recharge the tanks before they go to that well again.

        I know this seems obvious to say, but I’m just trying to shake the mentality of “what if x returns,” because we should currently be wanting them to hold of on returnees.

        • Figaro

          That’s definitely true. Given the choice I’d prefer a ‘newbie’ season, and when they do (inevitably) do a returnee season it’s always a bit more interesting if they cast players that have had a decent (but no too big as to lose track of how the game evolves) break between their first and second play. Both Aubry and Zeke definitely could have used more time between their first seasons and Game Changers in my opinion.

          So, to qualify – I’d like to see Lauren play again, but I’m fine with not seeing her again anytime soon.

  • Maritimer

    So I can kind of defend Lauren not playing the extra vote, and it comes to this: they had no idea Ben had an idol and I don’t think they had enough faith in Mike/Chrissy/Ryan to realistically split the vote anyways. Given those parameters, I’m not sure there’s a situation where playing the extra vote makes sense. The play might actually be to tell Mike/Chrissy/Ryan to vote Ben while you three vote for like Ryan if you’re worried about an idol. If you don’t have them, its 4-3 whatever you do (and you play your idol!). If you do, you get what you want either way: Ben gone or Ben’s idol flushed.

    The idol thing is inexcusable though.

    • Is there a situation where it would have made sense for her to cast her extra vote and throw a random vote at someone else (say Chrissy or Ryan)? In retrospect if she’d used that extra vote on ANYONE but Ben there would have been a tie but I can’t think of any reason why going in she would have thought it made sense to do something like that.

      • purplerockandy

        Yeah, as I stated, using the extra vote would’ve been a stroke of genius. It’s absence doesn’t prove that she’s dumb.

        The idol does that.

        • I just don’t know how she (or anyone for that matter) would have been able to get a good enough read to think “The vote’s for Ben but he has an idol, better split my own votes.” But it would have been fun.

          • purplerockandy

            Or even “I’ve convinced every one of these people to vote for Ben, thus this one lone vote will protect me”.

          • OK, that’s the thought process I was looking for.

          • By The Numbers

            Doesn’t it make sense to assume Ben has an idol though? Just to play it safe? They know one is out there

          • Roswulf

            I can see Lauren wanting to hold on to her bonus vote for six- after all, if she trusted Devon/Ashley that would be enough to clinch control of the game to FTC barring shenanigans and twists.

            Of course none of this accounts for GIVING AWAY A #&($^@(#^& IDOL.

          • Maritimer

            This is just it. She plays the idol this time, the advantage at 6 to guarantee the majority and she’s golden. All the possibilities we are exploring here are based on her burning the idol, which is the inexcusable move

          • I keep going around in circles on this i.e. what would I do if it was me. You have to assume you have Devon and Ashley on your side, and Ben’s obviously voting against you. So there are either going to be 6, 5, 4, or 3 votes for Ben. If you throw a vote at somebody else and Ben DOESN’T play an idol then the only way you go home is if only Devon and Ashley vote for Ben. In that case you tip your clean white hat and say well played.

            The more I think about it the more I realize she should have played that extra vote, and for someone other than Ben, without question. The tiebreaker conversation would have been very interesting…

      • Maritimer

        Right. That only makes sense if they know he has the idol. And if they know that, there are better options (like, as Andy said, playing her own idol)

      • Other Scott

        If she plays the extra vote – the most sense is to play it on Ben to force things to 4-4 in case that Ryan Chrissy and Mike do actually vote against you.

        • purplerockandy

          Again, this is where aggression with Mike could’ve worked: “I’m playing my advantage, so vote against me at your peril”.

        • Maritimer

          Except the better play is still the idol. Guarantee your alliance stays intact and you stay in the game. Once the idol was burned…maybe.

        • Yeah doubling down on Ben would be the most logical line of thought. It’d be the safe choice. Of course it also would have been the wrong one.

  • Diego Armando

    It was Neal who people thought had an idol in his pocket.

    • purplerockandy

      Thank you. I knew Adam didn’t seem right.

  • Diego Armando

    I will say Devon goes next week because this season sucks.

  • Diego Armando

    This season is currently 29th (seventh lowest) for me (between Vanuatu and One World) because that is as low as a season can get without me hating at a number of people on the cast.

    • F***ing Stick

      Which seasons do you have lower?

      • Diego Armando

        Africa, Nicaragua, South Pacific, Samoa and Thailand.

        • the sky is falling

          Seems incorrect to have Samoa so low. Personalities aside, a minority alliance of 4 came back to wipe out the majority alliance that season.
          And South Pacific?

          • Diego Armando

            Here is my thoughts on Samoa: “Here is Russell, do you like him?”
            “No, he seems like a terrible person and is seems to only be succeeding because everyone else is terrible at Survivor. Also there is no chance in Hell that he wins.”
            “Well, fuck you! We are devoting 90% of the season to him. We also are not giving screentime to anyone on the Galu Tribe except Shambo, who we will devote 9% of the season to.”
            “So I am just watching some asshole give masturbatory quotes for every episode until he loses to someone who got less screentime than Michele?”
            “Yep.”
            “I hate you”.

          • the sky is falling

            Not going to try to change your mind. That season probably gets worse on a rewatch, just remember at the time finding it really interesting, you never knew what was going to happen at TC.

            The game has changed a lot in 8 years though. I have a feeling if I saw it for the first time now, I’d hate that season. Russell would just be a mean version of Tony.

    • Max_Jets

      I said a few days ago that the floor for me was probably 27th, but now it has a good chance of ending up lower.

    • Mike Hirsch

      It’s funny how 29th sounds lower than it actually is at this point.

      • Purplerockmatt

        i kinda have the show stuck on 30 seasons permanently

        • Mike Hirsch

          Same!

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      I divide the 30 seasons that I’ve seen into quartiles, and HHH seems very likely to land at the bottom of the third quartile (which is a fancy way of saying about 7th from the bottom).

  • Diego Armando

    My qualify for the marble challenge is that it was the worst challenge that did not cause a medical evacuation/injury.

    • Mike Hirsch

      That would have been hilarious if it did.

  • Hornacek

    I’m only 15 minutes into this, but the subtitle of this episode should be “Andy’s Rage”.

  • Max_Jets

    You know what season had almost everyone get voted out from their own failings? Kaoh Rong. (Darnells excluded.) But yeah, this element of Survivor has been lacking for most of the season. Watching Roark, Alan, Ali, Jessica, and Desi go home largely as a result of bad luck (and of course some “but they could have tried this”) only to be left with this is pretty unfortunate. At least the last couple boots had it coming, but so does just about everyone at this point.

    • Prom King

      Why do you think they went home because of bad luck? Roark and Ali went home because they were targeted by Chrissy and Ryan; Jessica and Desi went home because they were targeted by Chrissy and Ben; Alan went home because Joe correctly played an idol. That’s not luck, that’s strategy.

      • Max_Jets

        Roark was targeted by Chrissy and Ryan because Ryan/Chrissy had an alliance that developed from a secret advantage, she wasn’t connected with Chrissy or Ryan, and she was on a tribe with 5 people. Ali was burned for not knowing about this alliance and because Ryan needed to fix his mistake and eliminate her – the biggest stretch I’ll admit, as she should have reacted differently. Jessica was a smart target, but she fell into the minority largely because the healers were the largest group and because 2 of them repelled other contestants away. I’m curious what you think she should have done, because she was in one of the most difficult spots I’ve seen and I don’t think it’s because she was in a showmance. Desi was in a similar situation to Jessica. Alan was a case where anyone on that tribe could have gone home and it would have made as much sense. Joe finding an idol is basically the only way he “outplayed” Alan, as he has everyone reason to know to play his idol and wasn’t able to sway Devon to his side.

        If we go off my Kaoh Rong comparison you can easily spot what led to most of the players’ downfalls, which makes the actual game feel more meaningful. Jennifer is wishy washy and unpredictable, Liz and Peter are cocky and emotionally unaware, Alecia is socially incompetent, Nick is condescending and sloppy, Debbie is erratic and overly trusting, Scot and Jason are socially repellent, Julia is too transparent. I’m not saying the five people from HHH that I mentioned are perfect players by any means, but their exits feel a bit random in a way that I don’t enjoy.

        • Prom King

          One the one hand, I really enjoyed reading this because it approaches the show from a character/narrative perspective rather than an Andy perspective. On the other hand, as with many such perspectives, I think a lot of what you are saying is based on trying to find logic behind things that have always the more random elements of the show. Really good players are often about to navigate these random elements like swaps and advantages and idols. Others are not. And that’s what I think happened to all of the people you’ve mentioned, including Jessica. For me, it’s not even a question of “what could Jessica have done being in such a difficult spot” because players often find themselves in such situations. The really good players – or, just as importantly, the really lucky ones – find a way out. But randomness has always been a part of the show, and life, so I just accept that that’s the way it’s going to be from time to time. I’d love to find meaning in everything, but sometimes it’s just not there and sometimes the game, and life, turns on the roll of the dice.

          All that said, I did really enjoy your post!

  • gouis

    Incredible.

  • Good news: I finally got my cable back. Can confirm that these people are stupid. In fact I thought about how this season can lower in intelligence. You see next we I think we might actually 2-1-1-1-1 vote. That right I predicted that everyone who is eligeble for a vote will receive. I thinkit will be Ryan turn to go home in this case but it might also be Devon because these season pattern is: you think you are good at this game but the truth is you’re terrible.

    • Kemper Boyd

      In the other post I predicted a magical 3-3 tie where Mike and Ben both switch at the revote and we get a 2-2 tie and rocks. But I like yours better.

      • I considered the possiblity of rocks but thought that seems too simple for this cast.

        • Kemper Boyd

          That’s why I predicted the double swap. Even more likely for this cast is every single voter swaps their vote and it’s still 2-2.

  • By The Numbers

    The only positive about these people being so stupid, is listening to Andy’s rants about these people being so stupid

  • sharculese

    Andy, while I broadly agree with your point about using fake idols to troll being fine, it’s important to note that who you’re trolling and how that affects people you expect to be jurors has to be taken into account. Trolling Jay, who’s gonna slap you on the back and say “good move, man, you really got me,” is a low risk proposition. Trolling Randy right before he gets his torched snuffed is not, even it was ultimately trumped by other factors.

    I’m gonna offer an extremely qualified defense of Ben’s fake idol – if he thinks the bridge with Chrissy is totally burnt and people hate Chrissy as much as it seems they do, standing up at FTC and saying “yeah, I tricked you, I made you look stupid, what are you gonna do about it,” that maybe raises his standing with the non-Chrissy jurors.

    That said:

    1.) This only works if Chrissy finds the idol, and it extremely doesn’t work if Mike finds it.

    2.) I don’t think Ben ever had it in his head to do that, he just wanted to make Chrissy look stupid.

    • purplerockandy

      Ozzy trolling Jason definitely hurt Ozzy, so it is definitely a move that can backfire.

      • sharculese

        Absolutely, so given that fake idols have a lot of downside and little clear upside, I’m coming down in favor of “just don’t make fake idols, it’s not worth it.”

        Also, I forgot this because, Atlanta got a light powdering of snow, and is, therefore, shut down, and I listened to the podcast in heavy traffic, but Russell tried the rock trick in Redemption Island. He had one of Krista or Stephanie, I don’t remember which and don’t care, stick a rock in her bag and conspicuously carry it around like there was something important in it.

        It didn’t work because it was painfully obvious (also, Ralph had the idol, but I can’t remember how may people knew that.) It did produce the delicious irony of Russell copying from Rupert’s playbook and failing at it.That’s probably more humiliating than anything else that happened to him that season.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I will have thoughts about fake idols next week, but as a preview: Jay playing the fake idol is such an incredible distillation of why he’s good television. The playful arrogance immediately shifting to “oh man, you got me!” is fucking incredible.

      • sharculese

        Are you doing a fake idols thing? I was gonna write up a ranking of all the fake idol plays and be like “here, use this if you want to,” but if you’ve already got something planned I’ll stay off your territory.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          I figured I oughta finally contribute. But thank you!

      • sharculese

        But also, my favorite moment of MvGX continues to be when roommate looked over at me and said “I kinda like Jay,” like it was something to be embarrassed about and I said “yeah, that’s because you have a heart.”

        • Roswulf

          The journey to liking Jay was a journey that we all took at different speeds and in different ways.

          The important thing is that we all ended up in the same place.

          • Super duper fan

            The funny thing for me that season was that I’m pretty sure I LITERALLY saw people aying that Jay has won them over since FIRST episode, and the number has incereased every new episode. Jay was great.

      • F***ing Stick

        I fucking love Jay. I’m very much looking forward to this.

  • Mike Hirsch

    I’ve finally figured out who Ryan reminds me of: a less-outwardly annoying but still somehow not quite as appealing Ziggy Sobotka from season 2 of The Wire.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Holy shit no wonder I don’t like him.

  • Mike Hirsch

    The only challenge to approach the levels of this ball-draw for lack of compelling tv was the “holding your breath” challenge in season 1, which at the very least then had a race tacked on to the end of it. So therefore, that one was better than this.

  • TheForRealDeal

    In the spirit of swearing:

    Fuck the Angels.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      For real tho.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        It’s only been an hour and I’m in full, 150-200% sour-grapes mode. 1. At least it’s not the Dodgers or Giants. 2. The rest of the Angels’ rotation is still mostly a shambles. 3. Mike Scioscia seems like the manager least equipped to handle a completely unprecedented situation properly. 4. What in the world do they do w/Pujols?

        • TheForRealDeal

          Even admitting my own biases, I’m baffled. My only consolation for the day:

          https://twitter.com/LookoutLanding/status/939228782606434304

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Literally the only good I can see right now is that the Athletics open the season at home vs. the Angels, so I’m going to see Ohtani’s MLB debut. But I feel like I’ve been to about 17 home openers where they got smoked by Felix Hernandez.

          • TheForRealDeal

            Easy come, easy go.

          • SurvivorWerewolf(JTHelland)

            I live in Seattle. He’s gonna get booed out of the stadium when he comes here

        • Diego Armando

          Remember when the Angels bought Pujols and got Trout then proceeded to make 1 postseason in that time frame and got swept. Good times.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Between “Having Ohtani play for them, which is pretty friggin cool” and “Wasn’t the best team for Ohtani to play for,” it turned out to be a wash in my Rooting Interest Rankings. My opinion of them literally didn’t change.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Is it petty to still blame the rally monkey?

      • TheForRealDeal

        That monkey can go to hell.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I know no one pities the Giants, but man I lost out on hope for Stanton and Ohtani in 24 hours. I should have known better.
      (To be fair, with Stanton I mostly did know better, but it’s been dragged out so much that a girl starts to dream…)

      • Taako From Teevhii

        That parenthetical made me realize that Stanton has Giants fans experiencing Stockholm syndrome. (And he *had* Cards fans feeling it, but apparently they’re out now).

        • Purple Rock Emma

          At least I got to watch Grant Brisbee slowly go insane.
          Again.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        At least you didn’t lose a stadium in the past 24 hours. Unless you end up losing AT&T Park for 81 days while the Coliseum 2.0 is being built.

      • TheForRealDeal

        There’s a lesson in all of this, which is, um… let’s watch Survivor instead.

        Darn.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Question for the PRP baseball peeps: If you’re Eppler, do you trust Scioscia to manage an NL lineup every five days? Because having Ohtani bat on days when he’s pitching is probably an upgrade over having Pujols or Cron DH.

      • sharculese

        Baseball is the one that’s like fast-pitch softball except less fun, right?

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Sharc, I will not allow you to besmirch the funness of baseball when there exists video of Bartolo Colon batting. Also, I’m pretty sure that Lauren plays fast-pitch softball, so how fun could it be?

          (and pls disregard that Jeff Kent and John Rocker played baseball. also pls disregard that 95% of all baseball fans above the age of 50 are crotchety assholes who hate excitement in all forms)

          • sharculese

            Uh, I’m from Atlanta, so disregarding that John Rocker played baseball is not an option.

            But also, have you ever watched college fast-pitch softball? It’s fun as fuck.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I guess in the sense that it’s baseball with a different wind up and it doesn’t take itself so seriously, softball is fun.

          • sharculese

            Also it’s shorter. That’s a really appealing element.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            ^^^True. I can never tell if it’s inertia or stubborn prickishness that keeps baseball games at 9 innings and thus at 3+ hours per game. (answer: it can be and is two things)

            People want shorter games and assume that the answer is quicker pace. Quicker pace is nice, but when pitch clocks are a threat to pitchers’ safety, like, um, maybe let’s think about cutting our games to 7 innings? Not only does that mesh better with modern pitcher usage trends, but you get a higher probability of high-tension extra innings (which makes a regulation 7-inning game like a 9-inning game, but more exciting).

            Anyway, that second paragraph wasn’t really for you, but there it is.

          • sharculese

            No that second paragraph was totally for me, because it’s one of the things I like about softball. 7 innings is a good amount. 9 is too many.

    • Diego Armando

      Don’t worry, they’ll still screw everything up.

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    I wish Roark was on a podcast that I’ll actually listen to, and I might even bite the bullet and listen to her first episode after she’s free to talk. She must be ready to explode.

    • Why?

      • Roswulf

        I’m really hoping that there is no context here, and ADS just spontaneously is in a “listening to Roark” mood.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        1. She’s used to appearing on a podcast that (I assume) viciously trashes poor play, but can’t comment on what’s going on this season.
        2. She likely believes (not without reason) that she was basically swap-screwed and got purpled for being irrelevant.
        3. On top of that, it has to be hugely frustrating to watch this sorry lot and think of what might have been.

        • the sky is falling

          3. just like last season

        • purplerockandy

          I don’t listen to the show, but the impression I’ve gotten is that they don’t really focus on analyzing strategy. I think they prefer talking about the silly stuff on Survivor. Or at least that was Max’s original intent when he announced the show’s existence.

          • sharculese

            ATF is only kind of a podcast about Survivor, because the only thing Corrine likes about Survivor is that it got her on tv, and she tries to talk about it as little as possible and does everything in her power to steer the conversation towards her favorite topic – Corrine.

          • Max_Jets

            What @sharculese:disqus said, but they also talk a lot about other Survivor contestants and what they are doing in real life with a heavy focus on trash talking Anna Khait’s latest adventures/comments. I’m not sure if they even discuss the episodes at all anymore.

          • Alycia Swift

            They pretty much don’t.

      • gouis

        r.obbbed g.oddess or something

      • I have no reason to assume that Roark could’ve ever done well, but she actually understands Survivor, at least in theory, which is a hell of a lot better than anyone left in the game.

  • the sky is falling

    Shell Talk: One of the few positive things this episode has going for it is that production has introduced the idea that a random shell can be part of a legitimate Immunity Idol.
    The payoff from that moment could be epic in a future season.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      I’m wondering if we’re past the point of usefulness with advantages and twists. To me it’s comparable to playoffs between division winners and wild cards in sports league. You can argue that it messes with the “purity” of the game if the team with the best season record doesn’t win the championship, but it’s a worthwhile trade-off of purity for excitement because it would just be boring as hell to have no post-season. The analogy here is Survivor without idols or twists. In a sense what they really do is knock out someone who would have won the pure game or elevate someone who otherwise would have been knocked out, but that’s fine because the pure Survivor game would have turned extremely boring long ago. However, at some point a sub-.500 team is going to win it all and people are going to be pissed. Same if Survivor players are constantly trying to con each other with random shells and driftwood, or are paranoid about that.

      • the sky is falling

        I am pro-idol, but feel like more and more lately there is a combination of multiple idols and advantages floating around at once in addition to the weekly immunity. It’s just starting to be a little overdone lately, which is why I liked the twist of an idol with an immediate expiration date. Maybe if there is a secret advantage, you don’t put an idol back in play or have only one idol in circulation at a time.

        Having said that, in terms of the purity of the game, idols have been around since season 11 and navigating idols is part of the game. In the first BvW no one even wanted an idol and they were burning clues, a lot depends on the contestants.

      • giorgos

        I agree with the sentiment that idols and advantages have become a little bit too much but sub-.500 teams have already won Survivor from time to time. Amazon was almost as great as pre-idol Survivor ever was for most of the season. The gameplay “purity” didn’t prevent a random winner like Jenna.

    • Hornacek

      Since the shell + a rope/strap combined to make the idol, I just assumed that shell had a hold drilled through it for the rope. Or it had a loop attached to it. Something that would make it look different than other shells (plus it may have writing on the back of it).

      • the sky is falling

        Now I’m realizing Mike screwed up a major opportunity. I think i’d have the presence of mind to do a call back to the infamous stick.

        “That’s not an idol. It’s a FUCKING SHELL”

    • Alycia Swift

      Also it makes fake idols made by contestants look real because the artwork quality has gone down.

  • purplerockandy

    An element I missed to Lauren’s move (because there’s so many layers of stupidity to work through): she gave away her idol to secure a vote against Ben, AS THOUGH THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE ON THAT ISLAND DESPERATE TO BLINDSIDE BEN.

    I kinda feel like Chrissy’s vote would have come cheap.

    • gouis

      Did you just feature your own comment so you could rant more about Lauren?

      • purplerockandy

        Is there any doubt?

      • You’ve met Andy, right?

        • gouis

          No I’ve never been to Alberta

    • But Andy that would have required Chrissy to work with another woman. Does not compute.

      I can just see it now… Lauren offers up half her idol to Chrissy as a sign of good faith… two minutes after Lauren walks away Chrissy goes up to Ryan and Mike and says, “Hey guys… why don’t we vote out Lauren?”

      • purplerockandy

        Send Devon to negotiate with Chrissy.

        But for real, Chrissy was desperate enough to work with a woman. She tried to After the JP vote.

  • Hornacek

    Listening to the ease with which John set-up Andy with leading questions again and again, resulting in Andy ranting for 2-3 minutes straight each time – it reminded me of a Jerry Seinfeld clip of him on the Jay Leno Tonight Show where he said that he was tired of being funny all the time and didn’t want to be funny for once. So Jay said he wouldn’t ask him anything funny, and then asked him questions like “do you have any opinions on TV commercials?”, “Do you have any annoying experiences on airplanes?”, etc which would inevitably Jerry going off on a comedy rant, all the while trying not to be funny.

  • If anything, this season is confirming that the quality of a Survivor season is inversely proportional with the quality of PRP. Well done.

  • DrVanNostrand

    Are there a lot of people around here that are really defending Lauren? I wasn’t able to read all 1000+ comments on the liveblog post, but this seems like another Andy strawman, yelling at people on reddit, or some shit. Not that I necessarily mind in this case, because Andy’s yelling was seriously entertaining.

    • Purplerockmatt

      there were definitely people defending Lauren after the episode

      • DrVanNostrand

        I only got to it the next day. At that point, the vast majority of the comments seemed to be shitting on Lauren, but I’ll take your word for it.

        • Purplerockmatt

          i was sharing the best ones with Andy to make sure he got properly worked up

          • DrVanNostrand

            You get all the upvotes!

          • the sky is falling

            50-100 of the live blog comments are spontaneous nonsense I post. Usually drink my way through the liveblog and show. Wednesday night, feelin alright!

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I always like checking the disqus notifications on Thursday morning and seeing that people liked or responded to a comment I do not remember making.

          • Roswulf

            purplerockmark, doing the lord’s work.

    • purplerockandy

      Barely anyone. But still… enough.

      • Kemper Boyd

        If 1 in 100 people is being stupid andy will ignore the consensus and go after them.

        • purplerockandy

          Honestly, I don’t need that close an average to make it happen.

  • the sky is falling

    Sure, this season may suck. But just think of how much cash you earned on Bitcoin and its fine.

    Everyone here bought 50 Bitcoins in 2013, right?

    • sharculese

      I didn’t do that, because in 2013 there was no indication the US would elect a senile racist as president, so the dollar seemed sound.

      • the sky is falling

        I put a little into Bitcoin yesterday (about a year too late) in case it goes to 40k and a tiny bit in Ethereum and Litecoin, just in case.

        But the fact that 1,000 bucks 4 years ago is now worth $1.6 million will haunt me for a while. I was following BTC then, but never bit the bullet.

        Ces’t la fucking vie

        • sharculese

          I mean, I would also never put money into a cryptocurrency because I’m a firm believer in strong central governments and enabling this kind of libertarian dilletancy is orthogonal to my ethos.

          • the sky is falling

            I had to google 2 words in that reply.

            Unfortunately, I don’t have much of an ethos, I just wanna get paid. Turns out buying gems in Clash of Clans was a poor investment. Who knew?

            However in theory, what I like about bitcoin is it seems like it could screw over the bankers? Perhaps naive, they will just profit off the new scheme, I suppose.

            Also, burn it all down!

          • sharculese

            To be fair, I made one of those words up.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            “I don’t have much of an ethos, I just wanna get paid” is my life motto

    • Alycia Swift

      My hubby bought a portion of one.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      I swallowed a penny in 1976.

    • Kemper Boyd

      All my money is in beanie babies and pokemon cards.

  • the sky is falling

    Nice tease for next week from, Joe. Shoulda saved this for the predictions post but couldn’t wait…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a36baaab30987adfe13949d0d7d783c50f3db3bc6662fcacb51597b42356ae7d.png

  • Side Character

    There were many things on this podcast that made me happy:
    For one, I am one of those people who know the ending song (and it is an absolutely wonderful song, thank you for picking it, Andy). As well, you guys are very adept at picking apart what was totally maddening about this episode (which was virtually everything), which I always appreciate. Also, while I understand why you probably won’t keep them, swearing is a fucking great addition to the podcast, and I wouldn’t object to them being kept in every now and then, if not all the time. And of course, Andy’s rage (also John’s, but mostly Andy’s). So much rage.

    • purplerockandy

      One reason to try and censor ourselves is that it does force us to expres ourselves more creatively. Although sometimes, curses are the best, most succinct word for the emotion being expressed.

      Frankly, it would be when we aren’t angry that swearing would feel lazy. Instead of completing a thought with creative flair, we might just be all “that was fine and shit”.

      • Side Character

        That’s totally fair. I shouldn’t have implied that I want you guys to swear all the time–I really only like it occurring when you guys are angry (hopefully, you won’t have to be angry at everything else this season has to offer, but I don’t know about that). And I agree with that last part too; when you’re not angry, swearing can sometimes just seem kinda crass and unnecessary.

        • purplerockandy

          Don’t worry, you didn’t imply anything. I just thought I’d point out to others why we usually try not to swear so that they don’t think we’re pussies.

      • Alycia Swift

        And things like that.

  • Other Scott

    Okay I promised some defenses! I’m an apologist by nature.

    Lauren: I honestly think Lauren just panicked. Like Mike approached her and said, Ben knows about your idol, is telling everyone about your idol and is gunning for you. her thought process was probably “okay I’m a target because I have the idol – how do I make it go away” and never really thought of the obvious solution – just play it at tribal council and it’s gone and your safe. Split second decisions are hard, especially under the pressures of the game and obviously this wasn’t the ideal one.

    But here’s the thing – it was only not ideal because of Ben’s idol. She succeeded in taking the target off her – no one except Ben was voting for her that tribal council. She achieved what she wanted to do, she just did it the worse way because it covered a lot less bases. And I understand that it’s frustrating when people miss an obvious solution for how to do things, but these are quick decisions and it’s tough out there.

    The other thing I wanna defend is the no split vote – they didn’t have the numbers to split. It may seem like they did because everyone ended up voting Ben, but you ONLY split if you’re sure on the numbers you have. They were nowhere close to that. Plus – they didn’t even fathom there could be another idol in the game, there were two idols played in back to back challenges and they didn’t realize that one of them had been found and they rehid another one. Which is kind of understandable because I don’t think it’s ever been done quite like that where they rehid idols when there was already an idol in play, and it definitely has never been done where they rehid an idol where there is another idol already hidden.

    • Other Scott

      I apparently don’t have to defend Ben very much because I actually agreed with everything said. I felt like people would say that he shouldn’t have went over and leaked everything and instead trusted his alliance but it seems like not.

    • F***ing Stick

      Re: idols not being re-hidden when there’s already an idol in play, they’ve done it post-merge at least a couple of times. In Caramoan they re-hid the idol from the “hold up bro” tribal, which was then found by Malcolm (when he already had one), leading to the “Three Amigos” tribal. In Cambodia, both of Wentworth’s and Jeremy’s first idols were re-hidden while there was still an idol in play. I feel like it’s close enough to standard operating procedure that players should assume that there’s two idols in play at any given point; at least until you get down to really close to the end.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Starting a new baseball thread: FNY.

    • TheForRealDeal

      Just when I had given up hope for the universe to produce coherent narratives that reinforce my worldview, it turns out that some things truly are constant. FNY!

    • Marlin M.

      haha I love to see this, it brings joy to my life that people hate us so much. lol

  • UseYourCommonSense

    Remember when Reddit/RHAP was hyping up Lauren as the next Cirie?

    • Roswulf

      I….wha?

      Who do they think Cirie is? Are they literally unable to tell any women who are not extremely thin apart?

    • sharculese

      Did you look at the Lauren subreddit? It’s amazing.

  • giorgos

    I’ve been listening to the podcast since Worlds Apart but I think that was your best and funniest easily. All that rage lol.

  • I went to vote in the Wandoff and this is what I find in the Comments section:
    http://disq.us/p/1obs8mn

    • purplerockandy

      Heh. Our Devon Pinto long game is finally paying off.

      • Diego Armando

        The weird thing is the people responding to that comment are zero percenting Devon. How can you do that with this level of cast?

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          When everybody is zero-percented, nobody is zero-percented. Devon’s the front-runner, I guess, but the upside of a cast full of stumblebums is that it really is still anybody’s game (even with Ashley, the main argument against her winning is her edit). I’m increasingly talking myself into Dr. Mike winning.

          • Maritimer

            And I think there’s an outside shot she can win with her edit, in a “why X lost” story

          • Prom King

            Dr. Mike or Ashley winning would change this for me from a B season to a C. I really don’t want to imagine either of them winning, so I just won’t. I won’t I won’t I won’t!

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Like @BarbaraTheWitch:disqus, I rewatched the episode today for reasons. I’ll just say this–if you watch it again pretending that you’re rewatching the season Dr. Mike won, and all of the storylines in this episode are subordinate to the “how he did it” storyline, the tone of this episode completely changes.

          • Yeah, the vibe is definitely there.

          • Diego Armando

            Why not!

          • I feel like we would have been getting a lot more of “Mike the Idiot” edit. However, I have no idea who is going to win and that’s a good thing?

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Yeah, I don’t want to sell my Dr. Mike suspicions too hard, first because it’s so improbable, second because if there’s anything to like about this season it’s that the winner is so up in the air this late in the game.

          • We definitely *should* have been getting much more of a “Mike the idiot” edit, because that guy has shot himself in the foot more than once.

            Everyone- including Joe, his closest ally- was clowning him after the tribal where he played his idol. Those people will nearly all be on the jury, so if Mike tries to present himself as some kind of brilliant strategist, it should be met with hearty laughter.

          • If I were a tribemate and I heard Mike say, “Got fooled yet again”, I would probably respond with hearty laughter.

          • Prom King

            I’m doubtful… but I am planning on rewatching it, so I will try do it with that mindset. It’s just so hard for me to imagine anyone besides Ben winning, and has been since early pre-merge. I should probably try to see it from other angles besides Ben and Chrissy’s (who is a very distant second for me as far as winner chances go).

            I’m often wrong about the winner, so I guess it could help in making me feel less frustrated by the finale.

          • the sky is falling

            Is Mike winning worse or better than Michelle or Bob Crowley winning? I’m going with better. Mike winning would be like if Keith had won.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Mike is playing way more strategically than Keith (it’s just not good strategy). If my theory of how Mike game would have to go from this point for him to win is correct, his win will be very similar to Chris Daugherty’s, with a bit of Bob’s Mr. Magoo quality mixed in.

          • However, I think Keith gets more respect and love from his cast then Mike has. Keith was a provider and social/challenge threat. Mike is literally just there as a bomb.

          • the sky is falling

            Well duh, Keith is a national treasure, and surprisingly good at balancing stuff!

          • the sky is falling

            Seems to me that Mike is at least trying to make things happen. Even if
            most of his moves are boneheaded and fairly dopey, he is playing
            aggressively because he has been on the bottom for much of the game. I don’t see that a Mike win would be all that surprising with the current cast.
            Of the remaining players, Ashley is the only one who’d be an extremely disappointing winner to me.

          • Prom King

            I would say it would be worse than Michele, slightly. Michele didn’t actually make huge missteps and she wasn’t delusional about her power in the game (mostly).

            I don’t what you are talking about with Bob. He’s a fantastic character and a perfect winner for a season like Gabon. And like Fabio (who is also down there with Michele), at least he has some challenge wins on his resume. Mike has “tossed half an idol” on his resume and that’s about it. And should that even be on a resume? I would think that’s something to be ashamed of.

          • the sky is falling

            I’d put that on what one is looking for in a winner. Michelle was just dull. It would be hilarious to me to have a winner who screwed up every advantage or opportunity he had and bumbled his way backwards into victory.

            Been a while since watching Gabon, but I actually remember liking Bob, I have been brainwashed into disliking him after so many PRP comments saying he was a terrible winner.

          • Prom King

            PRP is more interested in big strategy than in big characters, which means that PRP is automatically more rational than r/survivor. But sometimes the PRP strategy of favoring strategy leads PRP terribly, terribly astray! For example, dislike of Gabon. Or, even more inexplicably, support for Redemption Island.

        • purplerockandy

          True story: my initial idea for this week’s podcast was to do exactly that.

  • the sky is falling

    I hope you guys look at the compliment portion of this comment and not the insult.
    That’s I think the second podcast I have listened to, you guys are pretty good! I enjoyed every second, I’ve been missing out.

    The other one was the Kelly Wentworth one.

    • purplerockandy

      It’s cool. This is only the second comment of yours I’ve ever read.

      • the sky is falling

        TBF, I have probably only made 2 comments worth reading. My main gimmick is defending players everyone hates.

        • Other Scott

          Stop stealing my gimmick!

          • It’s a better gimmick than hating seasons that everyone else likes.

          • Prom King

            Did you ever write that Why Second Chances Sucks post? I want to read it!

          • Well, this post has been a bit delayed because I will be rewatching it for the third time with @Blurry Denzel.

          • the sky is falling

            It’s ok, your version is better. You actually think your opinions through. I just have a few drinks and let the nonsense flow.

    • Quality follow-up post to the one where you exclude 80% of the commenters from your list of favorites, Chrissy.

      • Prom King

        My girl Chrissy would probably have kept it to a Top Three. A Top Ten is a bit much.

      • the sky is falling

        i’ve read all the comments though. Russell Hantz of commenters I guess? Well I have an idol, I better play it at TC.

  • I am rewatching this episode for reasons and Lauren has a confessional in the family reward losers segment where she calls out Ben for wanting Chrissy to find the fake idol (which everyone has commented on). What I haven’t seen is that she mentions that he wants Jeff to throw the fake idol in the fire in the episode where her actual idol gets throws in the fire.

    Oh my God, that is the kind of editorial brilliance I like in a season

  • corndogshuffle

    Finally getting back into the PRP comment section! Been watching with my girlfriend (soon more than that) so it’s been harder to comment during or after episodes. This is her second season (I showed her Tocantins during the off-season and hooked her on Survivor). Also starting to show her Cagayan because she wanted to see modern seasons first.

    Anyway, my only thought now is that Lauren had a bottom five episode of all time. Outside of reddit, which has some bizarre fascination with loving poor players/seasons, I don’t see how that is arguable. There was only one way for her to get voted out and she charged headfirst into it. Just absurdly bad.

    • Oh my goodness, “soon more than that”. So exciting!

    • Alycia Swift

      Congratulations on the “soon more than that.”

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    I’m apparently a total wiener, but this episode was a little *too* angry for me. I started getting anxiety and had to turn it off before the end. But I see from the comments that others loved it, so it must just be me ¯_(ツ)_/¯