Purple Rock Survivor Podcast: Millennials vs. Gen X episode 1 “May the Best Generation Win”

A new season of Survivor brings actual footage from which to make our judgements. Lets see which conclusions we jump to in this generation battle.


Purple Rock Survivor podcast: Millennials vs Gen X episode 1

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Look at us Gen Xers, making podcasts and being on YouTube. We’ll show those Millennials how it’s done when we discuss:

  • Our first dose of the theme of the season being forced down our throats.
  • How to choose the best supplies for your camp.
  • The feasibility of twists that take 13 episodes to pay off.
  • The math skills of the Tri-Force.
  • The myriad of ways that David failed and how those failures may have saved him.
  • Participation tarps and evacuations.
  • The value of shortcuts.
  • Why Rachel? Why CeCe? The answer may not surprise you.
  • Who made a good impression; who did not.
  • John’s first impressions of Canadian snack foods.
  • How you should pay your student loans.

 

For this season, we hope to do a weekly mailbag segment, so if you have questions for next week, you can comment here, @ us on Twitter, or send us an email.

  • Weren’t they done playing by the time the Sia Humanitarian Award was given to Tai?

    • I don’t think so. I think they left very shortly after the finale. I could be very wrong about that, though.

      • jersey_luck

        You are wrong, good sir, about what you are saying. While normal there is some guesswork where to determine when they are filming the cyclone gives this season as starting in early April. I also have evidence suck as this http://www.ew.com/article/2016/09/07/survivor-cyclone-millennials-vs-gen-x-evacuation
        That could give enough time to give the cast to see the premerge of Kaoh Rong which explains the reference of Tai (premerge was when Tai was most awesome) and the lack of mention of Aubry in bios (didn’t become the main character of the season until they left.

        • Sylvisual

          Yeah, they shot MvGX while Kaoh Rong was airing, then S34 in the summer.

        • Although if they wanted to, they could have potentially edited Aubry into their bios if they wanted to.

        • Thank you for the correction!

      • I thought that was Season 34 because of certain spoilery reasons.

  • Hornacek

    I am still confused when I see American Smarties, it just doesn’t make sense to me.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I googled American Smarties and they seem to be what we in the UK call Fizzers. Smarties are also far superior to M&Ms.

      • American Smarties are basically just solid little discs of sugar with food dye and flavoring added. I used to love them as a kid.

        And I don’t know about far superior- the candy coating is a little too thick. The chocolate is good, though.

        • gouis

          American Smarties are in some way the perfect candy.

          • Purplerockmatt

            i still love American Smarties

          • andythesaint

            We have Rockets, which are the exact same thing as American Smarties except a different name.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6c8308a6a7102068ff8f469da087a7fd4207d88e157ad124c00a4fd79a6378e4.jpg

            And I love them.

          • Other Scott

            They aren’t bad, but I think I prefer actual (Canadian) smarties.

          • I am willing to try Canadian Smarties if I ever go to the Great White North, but I would Hard Pass on the Ketchup chips. I hate ketchup in general.

          • I’m not really a ketchup person either. Particularly a American ketchup, which is just corn syrup with tomato flavoring and some vinegar. I have enjoyed foreign ketchup that is more tomato-based.

          • See, I hate tomatoes in general (besides barbecue sauce). #PickyEaterProbs

          • Alycia Swift

            I hate tomatoes too – but like tomato sauce and ketchup. Its the gooey insides that gross me out.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I consider myself a picky, or easily grossed out eater (Hello, seafood!), but the first time I met a person who didn’t eat tomatoes at all, I honestly didn’t believe him. He was disgusted by the stuff on the inside, too, plus he didn’t like the taste.
            Until then I thought, there might be people who don’t love tomatoes as much as I do, but it never occured to that there are people who actually hate the taste or the actual fruits.

          • sharculese

            You’re not from the US, right? The beefsteak tomatoes you get in American grocery stores are inedible garbage. I thought I didn’t like tomatoes until I started incorporating cherry tomatoes into salads.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Right, I’m from Berlin, but we have not-so-great tomatoes, too. Especially the Dutch greenhouse-tomatoes are known to be just tomato-shaped water, but I still enjoy my sandwiches more with some slices on ’em, than without them.

          • sharculese

            Do you wear socks with sandals? I thought that was a cruel caricature until I roomed with a German kid.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Wouldn’t do it out in the open, but, in the spirit of full disclosure, I’m wearing socks and beach slides right now, where nobody can see me.

            It’s common to make fun of the socks and sandals combination here as well, especially since we’re well aware that our fellow countrymen are the main culprits.

          • gouis

            Good BBQ doesn’t need sauce. #TexanProbs

          • Good call. I mostly use it for fries and chicken tenders

          • sharculese

            Sure, but great BBQ requires a vinegar-based sauce #NCBBQSupremacy

          • Sylvisual

            You and Emma should start a food podcast.

          • A one episode podcast?

          • We would be the Anti-Food Network.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Ketchup is the only form of tomatoes I will consume, but ketchup chips still sound nasty.

          • andythesaint

            Next time, I’m bringing you some.

          • corndogshuffle

            I’ve never been a fan. To me it’s almost like if I decided to eat Tums like candy. I also don’t eat much candy so when I do I want something a little more in your face than Smarties.

          • Alycia Swift

            Agreed – a few are ok. I’d rather have chocolate.

          • Roswulf

            But in many other ways, not.

            If a perfect candy is a socially acceptably way to eat a sugar packet, sure. If you have higher expectation of candy, less so.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Ours are bigger than M&Ms so far superior.

        • prettyboyprobst

          I watched the youtube-video Hornacek posted to find out about Canadian
          smarties, only to learn they’re like our European Smarties, so I
          had to click on a candy review video done by little
          kids next (they liked the Canadian kind better), to get to the bottom of
          what American Smarties are. It was informative, but I should have just
          scrolled down…

        • sharculese

          Before I could read I called them ‘chalk candy.’

        • Diego Armando

          They grow on you as you eat more.

        • Violina23

          I HATED American Smarties as a kid. Mostly because that was the candy my mom gave away on Halloween and I thought it made us lame (or lam-er…)

          • Just know that if I trick-or-treated at your house I was actually pleased to get those Smarties.

            Tootsie Rolls, on the other hand, were utter shit.

          • Violina23

            Still Are. They don’t even try to NOT look like shit.

    • Hornacek

      Canadian Smarties (or just “Smarties”) also wrote an entire jingle about eating the red ones last, and it was awesome.

      EDIT: whoa, that video preview is HUGE!

  • Black Dynamite

    I think next week will kind of feel like a second premiere episode. I think we will get more insight on people like Michaela, Beautiful Ken, Lucy, and how they fit into the season.

    On another note, I had planned on doing a recurring theme of the Black Dynamite Stamp of Approval, where I rate who is my favorite throughout the season. Well the contest is already over. I’m fully on Team Zeke. He was great in this episode. Entertaining confessionals and he came across super savvy on how to play Survivor. Also I had the pleasure of actually meeting him on Wednesday and he was so nice while I played the situation as cool as David plays Survivor.

    • Black Dynamite
      • That’s awesome! Just a random spotting in the wild, or was it a Survivor viewing party?

        • Black Dynamite

          Viewing Party.

      • Ms_Woozah

        Hey! You were a PRPer this whole time and you didn’t mention it?! (This is Chelsey btw)

        • andythesaint

          Heh. People don’t admit that sort of thing IRL, Chelsey.

        • Black Dynamite

          Sorry, I’m not used to idea of mentioning my internet persona while interacting with people IRL. Also I was nervous and sweaty (stupid backpack) by meeting so many new people. I’m just as pumped meeting a PRPer as I was meeting Zeke. Fun time though, looking forward to future viewings. Oh and I will be less nervous next time.

          • Ms_Woozah

            Haha no worries, I was mostly joking. Love that it’s such a small Survivor world though.

          • gouis

            I wish I lived near other fans and actual Survivors! The closest I’ll ever get is somehow running in to Russell at a Buc-ee’s or something.

        • Violina23

          I couldn’t make it to the city (and in general can’t really with the kidlets), but I got tickets to the Live Know-It-Alls! Will you guys be there?

          • Ms_Woozah

            I will, yeah!

          • Violina23

            Yay! Looking forward to meeting some of you guys 🙂 🙂

            #NorthernNJRepresent?

    • Black Dynamite

      Oh I almost forgot, I’m starting my next ranking series today. I’m counting down the 33 best episodes in Survivor starting with 33-31. So expect that later today.

      • Kemper Boyd

        You love ranking stuff why not see if they’ll post it as an article?

        • Black Dynamite

          I never really thought about that. I kind of just got used to finding a corner to talk about Survivor in a big picture ranking format. I’m glad that this is something I’m known for and super flattered that there are people who like it. I would definitely be open to the idea of doing an article and honored to be given that opportunity. Either way I’m happy to share my thoughts with such an awesome community here at Purple Rock.

          • andythesaint

            We’ve actually had internal discussion since BD posted his intention of the list, because we enjoy his lists.

            However, we decided that this is too big a topic to outsource to others. It’s the sort of site-defining topic that people would discover us through Google then use to decide if we are a site that matches your opinion. Thus, if an episode list were ever to be done, it would have to by the authors of the site (especially since BD proudly diverges with our opinions quite often, which is another thing that makes him a valuable contributor around here).

            But I think there will be opportunities in the future. Especially if he wants to get back to something more frivolous. Looking forward to the list though. Maybe it’ll spur us on.

          • Black Dynamite

            I would greatly enjoy doing that after I’m done with this increasing behemoth of a list.

          • I look forward to your top 10 island clothing choices.

          • Black Dynamite

            After the premiere Wednesday, Ken has a strong case to make that top 10

          • What article?

          • He’s replying to your comment about i island clothing choices…

          • No, I meant what article of clothing? I forgot that article could also mean “Purple Rock article”

          • the sky is falling

            No one has mentioned Phillip.

          • I don’t want to remember that.

          • Black Dynamite

            More of the lack of articles. Good clothing choice.

          • You are not alone there. But, there have been hotter guys in less clothing. Savage in the first challenge of Pearl Islands comes to mind.

          • Black Dynamite

            But really the top answer is Brice.

          • Obviously. Didn’t his vest have arrows in them?

          • Black Dynamite

            I believe so.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Like Diane on BoJack Horseman? Or are you talking about the spikes on the shoulders?

          • I meant spike. I clearly wasn’t thinking of the right word. Thanks dude!

          • Alycia Swift

            For men. What about women? I’m thinking this season’s Michelle’s outfit might come close.

          • Black Dynamite

            I definitely liked what she was rocking. Not sure who was the best among the women. I would probably gravitate towards anyone who breaks away from the norm.

          • andythesaint

            This is exactly the kind of frivolous discussion we’d be PROUD to post.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I feel like I’d want to stamp my foot if someone got to do SO frivolous a list instead of me.

          • indescribable hat

            Elisabeth Filarski’s tribal council hat?

          • Black Dynamite

            That is a nice throwback. Speaking of headgear, I have to mention Danni Boatwright.

          • Alycia Swift

            And Aubrey last season with the plants in her hair (was it a plant)?

          • the sky is falling

            can you describe it please?

          • indescribable hat

            Um, long pieces of cloth tied to her head? Colorful cloth. She made it and brought it as her luxury item.

          • the sky is falling

            nevermind, attempted username joke, haha. forgot the sarcasm tag

          • indescribable hat

            Ohhhhhhhhhhh

          • Kemper Boyd

            Penner and Hantz are on the headwear list.

          • sharculese

            For the women, Parvati wins the headwear list. Don’t even care that it was camo.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Are you from Geogia?

          • sharculese

            Born and raised, plus I went to UGA. I gave a shout-out to the Gym Dawgs in the Most Useless Player rankings.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Well I say this: I do not understand college allegiances. But you can’t like someone for liking what you like. My favourite team’s supporters included Osama Bin Laden and Piers Morgan.

          • sharculese

            I’m from Atlanta; nobody needs to tell me about having bad representatives of local sports franchises on Survivor. But Parvati is awesome and she wore a cool hat.

          • Alycia Swift

            If we are doing headwear, we probably should have separate categories for best hair or lack of it and best shoes.

          • Kemper Boyd

            GC’s HUGE shirt get s a shout spot.

          • sharculese

            Making frivolous lists is how I got my foot in the door!

          • Kemper Boyd

            HEY I MADE THE MOST FRIVOLOUS OF LISTS!
            I could have been doing Survivor Au recps (not as well as you) had I not been going on holiday for the first 2 weeks/7 episodes.

          • andythesaint

            Er… we kind of wanted Sharc to think he was our first choice.

          • sharculese

            John was perfectly clear from the outset that the main concern was not having to do any work himself.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I know, I was being mean to him.

          • I love how we bicker for roles like we are little kids in an made-up club….or was that just me and my brother?

          • sharculese

            No, that’s exactly what this is.

          • I am glad that my analogy works! I am here for Tom Westman-like domination of Fantasy League, disclosing Survivor gossip, arguing against Cambodia being perfection, and spewing random bits of trivia and agriculture knowledge (I think). Those all feel like artificial roles.

          • Kemper Boyd

            No, it’s all siblings. Me and my brother still bicker over everything.

  • gouis

    I for one appreciate the gun jokes.

  • Other Scott

    My problem with identifying to Americans what Canadian stuff they could try out is I don’t know what doesn’t actually exist in America. I had no idea they didn’t have Coffee Crisp.

    Also I love curling. I’ve always maintained it’s the best sport to watch on TV if you know what’s going on because of the interactive aspects of it, where you try to figure out for yourself what the best strategy each people should take. Plus who doesn’t love people screaming at their team-mates to sweep harder while they stand doing nothing.

    • indescribable hat

      Jeez, how many Canadians are there here?

      • Too many, if you catch my drift. Don’t tell them where we keep all of our guns, or they’ll try to take them away.

        • Other Scott

          We’ll allow you to keep your hunting rifles!

          • Don’t trust them! They’ll say anything to get our guns!

          • corndogshuffle

            Is it too late to blame Obama? I bet he paid off the Canadians to help steal our guns. Thanks Obama.

          • It’s *never* too late to blame Obama. Or too early, I’ve learned.

          • Violina23

            Blaming Obama is a Millenial thing. GenX is still blaming Bush for all our problems.

    • Coffee Crisp was really good. I’m shocked that hasn’t been brought to the US.

      Ketchup chips were so weird. I couldn’t decide if I liked them or not, so I kept eating them. I saved some for Matt (who I’m meeting up with shortly), so we’ll get a second American opinion here.

      • Alycia Swift

        I have seen the ketchup chips in the U.S.

        On another podcast, not a Survivor one, one of the guys brought spray cheese from the U.S. to Canada which they did not have (or he purchased it in America to bring to Canada, I forget.)

        • andythesaint

          Yeah, the list of things in America, not Canada is tougher for me to figure out. Often, it’s just weird offshoots of existing products, like different flavoured Coke or Oreos. I did make a point to try Yoohoo when in the States, and Red Vines and Mr Pipp (both separately and together). Can’t think of a lot others (I tend to be in the States once every two years or so).

          • indescribable hat

            Ugh, Red Vines are terrible. I don’t think we have good special candy here.

          • andythesaint

            Yeah, it’s because you’ve already exported your best stuff around the world.

          • sharculese

            You can get ketchup chips and and all-dressed chips in parts of New England. When I lived in DC I had a roommate from Maine whose mom would send them down for him. They’re both great. I also had the chance to try Old Dutch when I was in Victoria last summer. Also great.

            Tim Horton’s extends into New England and upstate New York. I’ve had it both here and in Canada, and its… not very good coffee, but it’s acceptable for fast food coffee.

            Also I liked how you thought you had to explain to John, who comes from where Waffle Houses exist, what hash browns are.

          • indescribable hat

            It was so exciting when we got Tim Horton’s here (upstate NY) a while back, but then it just eroded my affection for them because they’re not a special treat for car trips in Canada anymore.

          • andythesaint

            Two things:
            1. Up here, there’s a variety of potato items that get called hash browns: so fried stringy potatoes, some cubed potatoes, some tater tots, some tater tots shaped into rectangles. So I was looking for specifics.
            2. I thought you Southerners just ate grits; whatever those are.

          • sharculese

            Down here hash browns are shredded and cooked as a single slab right on the griddle. The best ones come from Waffle House, where you can get them some combination of smothered (sauteed onions), covered (cheese), chunked (diced ham), diced (tomatoes), peppered (jalapenos), capped (mushrooms), topped (chili), and country (gravy). They are best served at 1 in the morning to prevent a hangover, by someone who is clearly high.

            Grits are a corn meal gruel. It’s disgusting and I think the only reason anyone eats it is it’s full of butter.

          • Thank you, fellow southerner, for agreeing with me that grits suck.

          • andythesaint

            Those are the best hash browns.

          • sharculese

            To be clear, if you go to Dunkin’ Donuts or McDonalds the hash browns are still the weird little potato wedges, but they can’t compete with hash browns fresh off the skillet or griddle.

          • indescribable hat

            I grew up with chopped hash browns and still think of the grated kind as weird semi-latke hybrids. My favorite variant is hippie hash, an Ann Arbor specialty my dad used to make with feta and veggies mixed in. Why is feta the perfect cheese for hashed browns? Perhaps we’ll never know.

          • Violina23

            Go latkes or go home #residentJewOpinion

          • indescribable hat

            Oh I wholeheartedly agree, at least about grated potatoes. No point in making too-big, falling-apart, not-crispy latkes and then eating them without sour cream.

          • Violina23

            Someone else who uses sour cream! Apple sauce is still my favorite latkes condiment, but some people in my family use sour cream and my husband looks at us like we’re INSANE. I mean, people put it on their baked potatoes, why not their deep fried ones??

          • indescribable hat

            I’ll do apple sauce if there’s no sour cream, but I loooove sour cream on latkes or baked potatoes. I think I eat about as much sour cream as potato sometimes. But I can see someone not wanting to pile fat on their fried potatoes, I suppose. Or maybe some people always want them to be parve?

          • I had Timmy’s last time I was here. It was fine, but not amazing.

            And why would you think I don’t know what hash browns are? Did my audio fall out during the podcast when they came up?

          • sharculese

            Andy was explaining to you what hash browns were in the podcast as if you don’t know. Are you both now not listening when the other talks?

          • Diego Armando

            Tim Hortons is in Michigan too. I think there are 3 stores and an outlet within 30 minutes of my house.

          • Diego Armando

            Mr. Pibb is just Dr. Pepper. Squirt is the cool sofa, but may be in Canada. I love that Canadian candy.

      • Other Scott

        I…don’t really like Ketchup chips that much. But if they are put in front of me and I start eating them, I will also just keep eating them.

        • andythesaint

          Same.

    • andythesaint

      Essential curling song:

      • sharculese

        It doesn’t get more Canadian than posting a Weakerthans song.

        • andythesaint

          I suppose posting a Tragically Hip song would do it.

          • sharculese

            In terms of Canadian bands it goes The Tragically Hip > Great Big Sea > The Weakerthans

    • Side Character

      Curling is really fascinating to watch. There aren’t a lot of sports where you can actually see what a team is planning to do before they do it. And like you said, trying to figure out what the best strategy yourself is pretty cool. Especially when people have different opinions on what could work. It’s kind of exhilarating to see a difficult play actually work.

    • Violina23

      I TOTALLY want to try curling!

  • indescribable hat

    I’m jealous of the Canadian Smarties. Also recommend Aero bars, the surprisingly enjoyable candy full of holes.

    • andythesaint

      John tried one of those too, but before filming. He said it’s “just chocolate”.

      • indescribable hat

        It’s chocolate full of holes!

        • That’s exactly what it is.

          • Other Scott

            You’re focusing too much on the taste! You just let it rest on your tongue and let the bubbles melt and it’s one of the greatest feelings ever.

          • Are you telling me I ate candy incorrectly? You people can’t help it with your Canucksplaining, can you?

          • gouis

            Yes, you’re eating it correctly. Bubble/aero bars are one of the things Canadians/Europeans get right where we get it wrong.

          • corndogshuffle

            What if you’re a millennial and don’t have the patience to wait for that to happen?

          • Other Scott

            This isn’t delayed gratification here. It’s just extending the gratification.

            You should be fine.

        • prettyboyprobst

          I freakin’ loved that stuff as a child, but when I tried it lately, I couldn’t get over the rather cheap taste of the chocolate itself, and at that point the bubbly melting sensation couldn’t make up for it.
          If I’ll ever stumple upon bubble chocolate made of Swiss or Belgian chocolate, I’ll try it again for sure.

          However, I recently came across a Mint-Aero-chocolate, which was green bubbly mint filling, covered with milk chocolate. It was glorious, but I’m afraid the grocery store that had it, has taken it of its shelves already.

          • indescribable hat

            To be fair I haven’t eaten them in years since they’re not gluten free and I’ve spent less time in Canada as an adult than I did as a child.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I should have specified that I was talking about a German product, the Canadian Aero bars could be of great quality, for all I know.

          • indescribable hat

            I’m sure they’re not. I remember them mostly as sweet and bubbly.

          • indescribable hat

            Oh and the mint kind was my favorite!

      • Sylvisual

        I’ve had an Aero bar. 50% more costly for 25% less product.

        • gouis

          Typical American. Turning a pleasurable experience into economics.

          • Never been more proud of Mark.

  • indescribable hat

    None of those kids is Parvati or Amanda. Someone could decide to be their Cirie anyway, but Cirie went with that group because she got a good pitch.

    • Black Dynamite

      That’s a good point. Cirie was placed as a priority above Ozzy and James in that group. They had a final three deal with the two men being the meat shield figures.

      • indescribable hat

        And that’s a good place to be: in the power group in your alliance but looking like a fifth wheel from the outside. Better than being an actual fifth wheel but at least your alliance is idiots.

    • andythesaint

      It should be noted that Amanda was head over heels for Ozzy and NOT on board for his ouster. So really, it’s a question of whether or not there’s a Parvati here.

      • indescribable hat

        I think she just wanted to hold off on Ozzy’s ouster. I thought she liked the final five with James and Ozzy, final three with the women plan.

    • Kemper Boyd

      As much as they annoyed me we didn’t know Parvati was Parvati when she was flirting with James. We don’t know if Figgy or Michelle will become a huge name or if Jay or Taylor will be the next big thing. We think they won’t be we don’t know.

      • indescribable hat

        I feel okay calling this one, but they could surprise me.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Yeah, they definitely feel more Eddie than Parv.

  • corndogshuffle

    Curling is very fun and much more difficult than it looks. I got to go curling over my spring break when I took a road trip to Columbus.

    I fell on my ass at least twice, luckily I never fell on one of the rocks. Not used to ice, there isn’t a lot of it in the south.

    • That’s my exact experience, except I only fell once. And I was awful. I overshot the house nearly every time. It was really hard to get a feel for how light of a touch you’re supposed to use.

      • corndogshuffle

        Finding that middle ground between sending the rock only halfway to the target and over shooting by a mile was brutal. Once or twice I was able to get a really good shot though.

        We did get free beer that day, which was a really great bonus.

        • Other Scott

          One of the great underrated aspects of curling: after the game it is tradition for the winners to buy the losers a drink.

          • And my team lost, so it’s a tradition I appreciate.

          • HBO CEO of Tits

            Sounds like I’m heading to Canada to lose some curling matches.

    • Mike Hirsch

      I fell on my elbow while sweeping and put a crack in the ice the first time I did it. I was fine, so it was more or less an awesome wipeout.

      • prettyboyprobst

        As someone who recently broke his elbow…lucky you!

        • Mike Hirsch

          Ugh, sorry. Yeah, it was a moment that, after I got up, I was like, “that could have been bad!”

          • prettyboyprobst

            To be fair, that’s also what I thought after getting up from the street after crashing with my bicycle. There was obviously something wrong with the arm, but I also didn’t wear a helm that day, so I still felt somewhat lucky, as nothing else was affected.

  • Alycia Swift

    Just finished the podcast. So if I find something to contribute, do I get a participation trophy? I, after all, am technically GenX and never got one.

    • jersey_luck

      No you get a participation medal. Trophies are still only for winners!

    • Mike Hirsch

      At the end of the season maybe we all get participation ribbons.

    • indescribable hat

      When people complain about participation trophies I feel like they’re worried that millennials who weren’t good at sports weren’t punished appropriately and I just want to reassure them that I was. I felt bad about it, I promise!

      • Other Scott

        I feel like it’s yet to be explained what is wrong with the participation awards, exactly. You’d rather people keep trying things they aren’t good at than just giving up because they suck!

        • indescribable hat

          That too. It’s like the emphasis on growth mindset now: it’s not to coddle them, it’s to teach them to keep working at things.

          And if we’re going to be obsessed with teaching life lessons through sports, in most things in life it’s much more important to get the task done than to be #1 at it.

          • andythesaint

            Heaven forbid we encourage children to participate in active pursuits instead of instilling in them a never-ceasing sense of competition.

          • Violina23

            For some reason that made me think of this…

      • DrVanNostrand

        Exactly. I’m a young Gen Xer and I got some. My friends and I thought ‘meh’ and they got lost in the back of the closet. The inflated sense of accomplishment they complain about just never existed, except in their warped imaginations.

    • sharculese

      Isn’t your Dead Fishy participation trophy enough?

    • Black Dynamite

      My high school diploma is like a participation trophy because I sure as hell did not excel during that time. Though it may not have been possible to with whatever Florida thinks passes for an actual education system.

  • Diego Armando

    I actually have bought a giant bag of Smarties at a duty-free store. The candy coating got to me.

  • indescribable hat

    Did anyone else get the vibe that the Gen Xers are kind of fond of David and charmed by his antics even as they’re also annoyed with him? I think the hint of this that I’m getting now could grow into people actually liking him if he makes it far enough. It’s as if he’s inherently likable even as he works so hard to be voted out.

    He might also have that “I think David’s OK but he probably annoys everyone else” thing going for him, the lesser cousin of Boston Rob’ and Cirie’s “I trust them with my life but don’t think other people do.” Maybe I’m overthinking it, but I have the feeling there’s hope for David.

    Oh and for the record I am not swooning over Ken. Like I can see it, but it’s not quiiite for me.

    • andythesaint

      I got a bit of that impression at TC when they all chuckled at his fear of Probst. It seemed a little more good natured than exasperated.

    • prettyboyprobst

      I expected to be a little charmed by him myself, but other than pity for the big fan who tanked his game immediately (or appeared to do so – I like your idea that he becomes everyone’s secret sidekick), I don’t care for him at all.

    • Mike Hirsch

      I agree with everything here about David, but still dropped him from my team as a precautionary measure.
      I am totally on board the Ken train, though.

      • Alycia Swift

        I also dropped him. But I found I liked Jessica (not Figgy) a lot.

        • indescribable hat

          Me too! I liked her a lot in the preseason and now I’m feeling like my instincts were good but the advantage is making me nervous. People get voted out all the time for having non-legacy advantages!

          • Violina23

            I don’t think the advantage should have an impact unless she tells someone. Hopefully (to the producer’s dismay) she doesn’t tell anybody.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Dammit, I *just* finished paying off my student loan two months ago!

    • andythesaint

      John can correct me here, but I think it’s still a good thing to get rid of debt when you can. But, of the debt one carries, student loans should be put lower in importance than other debt, and starting your investments. For instance, it’s not the best idea to put off saving for retirement/acquiring a home because you want to use that money to pay of student loan debt. (Obviously, if you don’t have enough to do both, then you have to pay the debt. But if the payments are manageable, don’t put off MAKING money to kill yourself paying off manageable debt).

      (John’s gonna be so mad if I’m off base here).

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I’ll go a step beyond what John said: Start saving for retirement right now, TODAY, even if it means putting off repaying debt with an even higher interest rate than student loans. Compound interest is fucking magic after year 25 or so.

        Credit card debt, on the other hand, is poison.

        • Yeah, that’s my point with the retirement savings- you should have much longer for your retirement to mature and appreciate if you prioritize that over student loan debt.

          By the way, I did get asked another finance question, but I thought Gouis’ situation was more common.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Yeah, I know you know this, but I really pound the table about starting early to get the full benefit of compound interest. It’s not just about sticking money in a hole in the ground so you have it when you’re old and gray, it’s about time; with compound interest each year past around year 25 makes such a massive difference.

      • Nah, that’s basically the philosophy. Assuming a few minor things like fixed (and low) interest rates on those student loans.

        And I didn’t go into it last night, but you’d generally want to try to pay off your highest interest debts first. (Though if you have credit card debt, I’d suggest card churning to get that rate artificially low.)

      • Mike Hirsch

        I appreciate it even if you wind up being off base!

  • Vagabond

    Does anyone think this theme could probably have been done much better if it had been Gen X vs Baby Boomers? As someone who is still in his 20s, I couldn’t agree more with the oft expressed sentiment here that 20 somethings are the worst. How refreshing would a season with no one under 33 have been?

    • Other Scott

      I feel like the GenX vs Baby Boomers would make the challenges in Nicaragua seem close.

      • Vagabond

        A legitimate concern, but I feel like the general move away from strength based challenges and the inclusion of puzzles at the end of most pre merge challenges would make it much closer than you think. Plus some old people are crazy athletic. Palau anyone?

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Tom was actually only 40 when Palau filmed (the white hair and old-man voice are misleading).

        • Other Scott

          Tom Westman was born in 1964, which means he is younger than the oldest person on the Gen X tribe even now. When Palau was airing he was barely over 40 years old.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Considering that the very tail end of the Boomers is in their mid-50s, that ship has probably sailed. They weren’t doing three-tribe seasons yet, but Boomers vs. GenX vs. Millennials might have salvaged Nicaragua. Plus as I understand it the whole genesis of MvGX was a desire to draw more Millennial viewers to Survivor.

      • Vagabond

        Yeah I completely understand it from a marketing perspective. The fact that they almost exclusively fill the 20s slots with douchebag fame mongers and eccentric weirdos has just always irked me. They cast normal 30 yr olds why can’t they do it with 20s?

    • indescribable hat

      I would have enjoyed a three-tribe format. It would make it a little less stupid because it would hammer home that everyone just complains about other generations and it’s mostly just about relative age.

      • Vagabond

        Way to completely improve on my point. Yes three tribe always >two tribe. I just don’t understand the obsession with filling the young people slots with douchebags and weirdos they are both unbearable, with the occasional exception of a Drew Christy. Other types of people do exist in their 20s casting, and they tend to be slightly more relatable and engaging.

        • Roswulf

          But is that really what they’ve done? The “young people tribe” does have a strong likable core of reasonably sensible people in Michaela, Zeke, Mari (admittedly over 30), Adam, and maybe Hannah.

          It’s the old people who seem lacking players who are both likable and engaging, in part because they’ve been positioned by production as a bunch of dour jerks yelling at people to get off their lawn.

    • jersey_luck

      But everybody knows that once you turn 33 you don’t look good in a bikini anymore

      • Vagabond

        Maybe they should just do the pro sports thing and have cheerleaders at the challenges. That should appease the lecher crowd!

        • jersey_luck

          But if cheerleaders cheered on the survivors what would Probst do?

          • Vagabond

            Harangue the woman who’s to small or malnourished to perform the way he thinks she should be?

          • jersey_luck

            But he only knows Parvati, what other expectations he have for the women

      • Can confirm. Am over 33 and would look terrible in a bikini.

      • Roswulf

        I am very confident that Ken would look good in a bikini.

        *Sighs dreamily*

    • DrVanNostrand

      The problem is that boomers are way past their Survivor prime. I feel like there are enough young Gen Xers to be competitive, but Gen X vs Boomers would basically be a repeat of the olds vs youngs in the season that shall not be named.

      • HBO CEO of Tits

        Eh, if you are really married to the idea you could do 20s v 30s v 40s, supposedly. Probably could put together an ok 50s tribe if they’re all savages and tinas, for 4 tribes.

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    Something has seemed off to me about this cast ever since the cast bios came out, and I just figured out what it is. There are no weirdos. Well, not weirdos exactly, I’m not sure what the right word is, but every season production seems to deliberately cast at least one person they know is going to be hard for the others to deal with, just to stir the pot. I’m not just talking about standard weirdos (Coach, the Specialist) but also toxic people (Colton, Abi-Maria), diabolical schemers (Fairplay, Russell), and people who aren’t eccentric, exactly, but sure don’t fit the standard Survivor “types” (Tai, Shambo).

    Eventually, starvation and exposure will probably cause someone in this cast to go crazy, but nobody this season seems to have been cast for the express purpose of being a human hand grenade. YMMV, but the last cast of all relatively normal people I can think of is China.

    • indescribable hat

      Dave

      • prettyboyprobst

        Figgy, the fiery Puerto Rican

        • indescribable hat

          Oh I meant China Dave, not KvX David. Did not remember there was a David on this season. Or actually, did not remember that Dave and David are the same name.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Yeah, I thought about Dave, and also Jean-Robert, but they don’t really fit my model of production casting them with the intention of causing chaos. But YMMV as I said.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Australian Survivor has me stuck in the middle of the HvV rewatch, but I recently listened to one of Rob’s first podcasts, which was an episode recap with Todd. He touched on a lot of the China happenings, and according to him both Jean-Robert and James were really difficult to live with.

          • Diego Armando

            I have no trouble whatsoever believing that.

    • sharculese

      I think Paul was supposed to be that role, but he’s figured out how to behave himself.

      “YMMV, but the last cast of all relatively normal people I can think of is China.”

      As the person most likely to have to fight Emma to death for the title of biggest China fan, all I can say is wait, what? What I love about China is that everyone except maybe Erik and Aaron is a colossal asshole or weirdo in some way.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I love China too, and I’m definitely not saying they’re all bland cyphers, but there’s no Debbie, no Crystal, no Mateo, no Brandon, just to list the first names that come to mind. But YMMV. And who knows, maybe it’s a case of “if everybody’s a colossal asshole or weirdo, nobody’s a colossal asshole or weirdo.”

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Is being an asshole not normal?

      • I feel like China is so good because it’s a bunch of really entertaining people who are relatively normal, but definitely not boring. Like, Courtney and James aren’t weird – they’re just fun.

        I am also willing to fight to the death for the title of biggest China fan.

    • jersey_luck

      To be fair I think that they thought that Michelle might be weirdo who would annoy people.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Yeah, the other thought I had was that maybe people have over-learned the lesson of “just lie low in the early going” just like they’ve over-learned the lesson of “don’t be the shelter construction boss.”

      • Purple Rock Emma

        There’s still time.

    • Diego Armando

      China did have ultra-creep John-Robert.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Chicken is the weirdo in China he just got voted out first

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Damn! You may be right.

  • Black Dynamite

    During the Heroes vs Villains rewatch over the summer, I found myself blown away by how good the merge episode is (Spoiler: that episode makes the list, though not as #1). It made me think about other great episodes in other Survivor history. As someone who loves ranking I wondered what the best episode is. So eventually after a lot of thinking and revisiting I was able to narrow it down to the best 33. I chose that number because it is the 33rd season of Survivor and also it was a bit of a cheat to get more on the list.

    As for the format, I plan to do three episodes a week for the next 11 weeks, preferably on the Friday post. With each episode I will include a short recap of what happened in the episode and the reasoning behind why I included it in my list. Note: I have not watched any of Nicaragua or the last four episodes of Thailand, so those episodes are ineligible for the list. Without further ado, the best 33 episodes in Survivor. Part one 33-31

    33. Survivor: One World episode 8 “Just Annihilate Them”
    A perfect showcase of the brilliance that is Kim Spradlin. She is able to carry out her plan despite her castmates best effort to undermine it. In this episode Kim finds herself between two possible routes. She can stick with the post swap Salani alliance or establish an all women team as they outnumber the men 6-5. To cause division among the Salani alliance, Kim tells Troyzan that Mike is a targeting him. She beautifully plays on Troyzan’s paranoia, dislike of Mike and inflated ego. The idea is to blindside Mike while maintaining the idea that Salani is still together. There are obstacles to this plan. Jay is worried about the women getting together. This worry is strengthen when first Kat and then Chelsea, in front of supposed targets Alicia and Christina, bring up the idea of getting rid of Mike. Kim now has to put out the fire. She hustles and cuts off Jay’s conversation to Mike mid sentence to put the target on Christina. At Tribal Council, Mike is eliminated and Kim’s plan is a success. This episode is filled with examples of Kim’s power of observation, smart strategy and savvy social skills that makes her one of the best. This episode is a training manual of how to dominate Survivor. Episode MVP: Kim

    32. Survivor: Tocantins episode 9 “The Biggest Fraud in the Game”
    Coach is one of the most polarizing contestants in Survivor. He fully embraces a warrior persona full of contradictory beliefs. Survivor relishes this and heavily plays up that the joke is on him to very satisfying results for viewers. In this episode, Coach is looking to slay the dragon named Brendan with the help of allies Tyson and Debbie, along with the former Jalapao members JT, Stephen and Taj. After a reward trip with JT, Brendan instantly wants to align with JT, knowing JT would beat him in the end. He goes on a long confessional where he is downright giddy to be around the “golden boy” JT. JT and Stephen are massively confused by Brendan’s intentions and are in the swing position to go with Coach or Brendan. They eventually side with Coach and the dragon is slayed. What makes Tocantins and this particular episode so great is how light and funny it is. Survivor, while not a comedy, excels sometimes in bringing in laughs. This is one of the funniest episodes I’ve seen. Between Coach’s persona, Brendan’s man crush on JT and Tyson’s amazing one liners, this episode is a top notch sitcom. Episode MVP: Coach

    31. Survivor: Philippines episode 1 “Survivor Smacked Me in the Chops”
    The first of a whopping five premiere episodes (points for anyone who can guess the other four). Survivor is a rough game. You have to rebuild your life away from civilization with a bunch of strangers for 39 days. You get very little supplies and constantly having to endure mental and physical obstacles while under constant stress that it can all end unsatisfactory at any time. Injuries have happened, a sad end to someone’s story. Survivor has the clever idea of bringing three medical victims back (God forbid Survivor has the clever idea of bringing a woman back, but that’s another topic). So we get three people (Penner, Russell Swan and Skupin) back with an outstanding cast of newbies to interact with. Survivor hits the ground running showcasing plenty of rich personalities. We get humorous moments like Skupin’s many attempts to be medically evacuated again and Russell going back to a leadership role immediately after an amazing confessional about how leaders in Survivor are idiots. Then there is the greatness of Zane. After losing the immunity challenge partly due to Zane’s horrific display of stamina, Matsing has to go to Tribal. Zane decides to first throw himself under the bus in order to gain sympathy. Then he goes after Russell, who is a shitty leader. Zane goes hard the entire episode, forming conflicting partnerships with all of his tribe members. He gives a baffling monologue in Tribal about onions and is voted out. He shined bright and burned out fast. Premiere episodes are important as a sign that what you have good television that viewers can stick with. Philippines nails this with a great cast, a good returnee twist, intriguing tribe dynamics and setting up several long term storylines to bring viewers back. A shining example of how it’s done. Episode MVP: Zane

    Next week is 30-28 including a fruit, a big prize and more Coach.

    • Max_Jets

      What’s weird about One World is that I think it’s a must watch season but it’s packaged in a whole lot of blah. Another episode that I love is One World’s final 6 episode, where we see Tarzan concoct his plan and Kim getting Alicia to turn on him. These are some of the best strategic episodes of the whole show because we are really seeing someone put in the work, instead of having the edit hide that work in favor of surprise.

      As for the best premieres? Cagayan, HvV and Pearl Islands seem like musts and I’m going to guess either China or Redemption Island for the other two. I’ll go with Redemption Island. Marquesas, Guatemala, and Cambodia are also great.

      • Diego Armando

        My thoughts are you should watch either One World or Redemption Island since they are pretty much the same season. I would personally go with RI since One World has a large amount of truly unpleasant moments and Rob is a better TV personality than Kim.

        • Max_Jets

          I go the reverse, as I think One World really showcases the scrambling and social maneuvering that Kim does much better than RI does for Boston Rob. That & Redemption Island is more frustrating in that the way the season is set up against all newbies just makes Boston Rob’s domination annoying to watch. For One World, I’m more in awe. Also, RI’s central twist. I think Redemption Island is easily the worst season of the show, but I can understand why someone would think the same for One World.

          • Diego Armando

            I do agree with the terribleness of the Redemption Island twist, but I cannot get past how truly awful the a good chunk of One World’s cast is. That season contained fucking Colton and the horrific bullying Alecia performed on Christina, which lasts the entire season. I think some of my dislike of stems from the fact that many people here tend to hand wave those aspects away in favor of “While it contained a great winner, so I am giving it a pass”, while calling out all the flaws of the similar Redemption Island.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I think One World’s reputation is hurt in part because it comes at the end of the post-HvV slump, and almost seems to combine the worst aspects of the preceding three seasons. If it had come after, say, Tocantins, One World would be a perfectly cromulent season.

      • Black Dynamite

        That’s also a great showcase for Kim’s game. As for your guesses, 3 out of 4.

    • Diego Armando

      Only one woman has been officially medically evacuated; Courtney Moon from One World aka John’s girlfriend.

      • HBO CEO of Tits

        They should have evacuated the mom from sjds. It was pretty absurd she got to stay in the game.

    • I am going to take a stab on the premiere episodes (by the way, Philippines has an excellent premiere well done!)

      Borneo
      Pearl Islands
      HvV
      Cambodia (I don’t feel good about that last guess).

      • Black Dynamite

        3 out of 4

        • I figured as much. Now, I am really curious as to what is going to be the 4th because I feel extremely confident with two, so-so with one, and not at all confident with 1.

          • Max_Jets

            You are missing Cagayan I believe (with PI and HvV making the cut) based on my stats, & I would guess Cambodia for the final choice but I don’t know.

          • Tbh, I straight up forgot Cagayan.

    • Other Scott

      Too early for Banana Etiquette you’d have to think.

      My guess for a big prize would be a car episode, and I think the best one of those is Guatamala?

      • Black Dynamite

        Car prize is correct though I won’t reveal which season I’m referring to.

  • Side Character

    Thoughts as I’m listening:

    I got mentioned on the podcast! My life is complete! Suck it, commenters who didn’t get a shout out from John!

    Andy, your background is just pandering to hipsters. By that, I mean you’ve got good taste. Your kid is also very cute. Let him interrupt podcasts more often.

    Canadian treats section:
    Coffee Crisp is one of my favourite chocolate bars, if not my favourite. How this is not in the US is beyond me. Glad John likes it.
    Also, I’m so thankful that I am not allergic to peanuts, because peanut butter is the best. Any candy that has peanut butter in it is great. But like Andy’s kid, I also went to a school that was peanut-free. As a peanut butter lover, it hurt. Tell him it gets better when he gets to junior high, they’re more lenient.
    Like Hornacek, I remember the ad campaign for Smarties where they made this whole big deal about eating the red ones last. Never knew what it was about, but I still remember it.
    I used to like ketchup chips in the past, but not as much now. Ruffles All Dressed chips, though, those are great.

    Actual Survivor stuff:

    Yeah, I was a bit upset that they didn’t show anything as to why there were votes for Cece. A shame they didn’t really get to show everyone as much. I barely saw any of Michaela (though the facial expressions make up for it), Lucy, Cece (a theme perhaps?), or Barely Legal Will/Drew Christian (at least after the initial introduction). Hopefully we can get more next episode.

    I will call the tribes by their actual names (Vanua and Takali) because you’re just buying into the theme when you call them Millennials and Gen X, and this theme is terrible so screw that. If you don’t know who I’m talking about, you’re on the internet–it will provide answers.

    I probably would’ve done the immunity challenge the way Vanua did. But Takali did what was best for their tribe as well. So I think both tribes did the right thing for their side.

    The Legacy Advantage, who knows what that’s gonna do? Wait until Christmas to find out! Hope it’s worth it.

    Liking: Adam, Hannah, Mari, Michaela, Zeke, Ken (of course, most of us only like him for his body)

    • sharculese

      I led the league in shout-outs during Cambodia, so try to match my, I think… 5?

      • Side Character

        Don’t ruin this for me!

        • sharculese

          I was challenging you to rise to the occasion!

          • Side Character

            I know you mean well, I was just excited. This was actually the first shout-out I’ve ever had. My banter is usually not shout-out-worthy. I will try to match your claim, but the gods of PRP are a fickle bunch.

          • sharculese

            It was also a smaller pond back then. I think there were 15 of us, and now it’s closer to 50.

        • prettyboyprobst

          Even I got 2 or three last year, so don’t get carried away! In fact, last season’s final episode was like a huge participation trophy for everyone who has ever commented here, if memory serves me right.

          • andythesaint

            We shall never stop making participation trophies a meme this season.

          • Other Scott

            I’m pretty sure I got zero outside of the generic one, which is very sad considering I’m one of the most frequent commenters.

          • andythesaint

            We’re too busy talking about the Other Other Scott.

            *rim shot*

          • Really? That seems unlikely.

          • prettyboyprobst

            If it’s any consolation, I was counting the season’s end shout-out and allowed for an extra one, that escaped my memory, when I said 2-3.

    • andythesaint

      I was wondering who would notice all my Gen X easter eggs in the video.

      • andythesaint

        I tried to display A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius, but found it didn’t really show up on camera. I also couldn’t find my copy of Coupland’s Generation X.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Nice. What’s the DVD that’s not Pulp Fiction?

          • andythesaint

            Chasing Amy. DVDs were tougher because I’ve replaced the seminal Gen X movies like Pulp Fiction and Fight Club with blu-rays. And displaying blu-rays seems off-theme.

    • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

      The one bag of Ruffles All-Dressed I could find was amazing, and I wish they kept making them (though maybe I’m just not looking hard enough). At the same time, I want to know what’s stopping Lays from selling Ketchup and All-Dressed in America, and why they’re doing Chicken & Waffles instead. (Don’t get me wrong, I love Chicken & Waffles, just not as a chip flavor)

      • Chicken and waffles is one of those things that you eat and immediately think “I like chicken, I like waffles. Why did I never have this before now?”

        • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

          Real fried chicken comes with that white bread, which I have mixed feelings about, but the waffle does the great job of serving the same purpose while also being a kick-ass accompaniment to the chicken.

          By the way, hot chicken, waffles, and a drizzle of maple syrup. Instant classic

          • Yeah, that’s the way to do it. The maple takes some of the bite out of the hot chicken, and makes the flavors work together well.

        • corndogshuffle

          I’ve still never had those. They sort of feel like something a Yankee eats when they’re trying to act like a Southerner.

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            No, that’d be collard greens. Let me tell you, they’re not good. I’ve had family and friends who came down to visit me, saw them on a menu, and felt like they had to order them. I tell them not to, but of course they had to do it anyway. Every single one of them was disappointed.

          • sharculese

            I like collards but I also like pretty much all greens. It’s easy to boil all the flavor out of them, but if you’re careful they can be tasty.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Is soul food inherently Southern? We have a very popular/iconic chicken and waffles place in LA.

        • Violina23

          True, but not all good flavors need to be exported into chip form.

    • Violina23

      I hate peanut butter with a passion. I am not allergic. But my daughter is. So thanks for only being mildly annoyed at nut-free schools for little ones and not angry and rageful about your peanut rights being infringed upon. No, the world is not nut=free, but unfortunately, the really little ones cannot always be trusted to remember to ask people what is in their snacks.

      (Her school is nut-free in the classrooms, but not in the lunchroom. She has a nut-free table, and anyone who doesn’t have nuts in their lunches can sit with her. She doesn’t seem too upset about it, maybe because breaking out in nasty hives doesn’t seem preferable. I’m just thankful her allergy is mild)

      Does my progressivism on nut allergies make me more millennial? I’m not sure.

      • Side Character

        I can understand and respect people not liking peanut butter because of allergies or family having allergies (and thanks for not being too annoyed at my unchecked love for peanut butter). And I totally get why they want elementary schools nut-free–I’m glad they have that in place. When I was there, some of the kids in my school (and my class in particular) had nut allergies–I don’t remember if they were really bad allergies, but it wouldn’t surprise me. I also have a cousin who’s allergic to so many things, among them peanuts–and most of them are really severe, too. So I’m super grateful I don’t have any allergies, and my sympathies go out to those who have those allergies and don’t have something in place to prevent an incident from happening.

        • Violina23

          Thanks for understanding! I hate when people get all mad and self-righteous about it. It’s like they think the kid with the sever allergy should “man up” and, you know, not have their throat close.

  • turgid_legume

    You should have finished off the snacks with some milk from a bag. (Yes, as an American, I realize you don’t actually drink from the bag, you put it in a pitcher.)

    On the topic of the Taylor/Jay/Figgy alliance, CBS posted new bio videos that contain extended pregame interviews. Figgy talks in hers about how she was bullied throughout middle school and high school by “popular kids and mean girls” (her exact words), because her family didn’t have a lot of money due to a divorce, and she didn’t have nice clothes and such, and they had to live in a hotel for a time due to a fire burning down part of their home (which is apparently also a thing that kids will bully you for.) She also describes herself as a huge fan, having seen pretty much every season. So she must have seen Caramoan, and she must be at least a little bit familiar with how well that worked out for Hope and Allie. And yet she still goes for this clique that seems to rub the others the wrong way. Is she the least self aware person ever? Or is perhaps the edit painting them in a bad light? It’s impossible to blame it entirely on the edit because other players have definitely picked up on the vibe and that’s not something you can invent.

    I think there was a scene of someone trying to pound a nail with a rock, so there must have been nails included in the supplies somewhere. The hammer would have still been a terrible choice.

    • sharculese

      Stephen and Tyson on Know-It-Alls talked about how the Cool Kids thought they had Michael and Matt with them, but the edit didn’t show it because they wanted to tell a story about them being shallow idiots. It’s probably the same thing with the Triforce, but we’re, again, not being shown that because it’s more fun if these douchebags are made to look like idiots.

  • Roswulf

    One other example of an early alliance of cool young pretty people that can’t count is Burton/Michelle/Shawn from Pearl Islands. Worked out reasonably well for Burton admittedly, but for completely unrepeatable reasons.

  • Roswulf

    On Ken’s attractiveness, I was utterly befuddled during the premier that The Lady Roswulf didn’t know who I meant by “The Hot Guy” on the Gen X tribe.

    If I was devastatingly handsome, this would be causing a serious self-esteem crisis right now.

    • TheForRealDeal

      It can be a real handicap.

  • tocantins

    I feel that they put themselves into a corner with this day 36 advantage. Either it is something really minor, and then people will (understandably) be angry that they built this up for 13 episodes for nothing, or it will be something really major, and then people will (also understandably) be bothered that the game is decided (or at least heavily influenced) by some obscure advantage that they don’t even remember where it came from and that it existed.

    • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

      Unless they prod jessica into telling someone. I can see them milking drama out of her creating her survivor will, and people vying to be the one to inherit the advantage or oppositely to be the one without a target on their back. It kinda depends on whether the baton pass is done in front of the rest of the tribe when voted out.

      • tocantins

        You are right, I guess. I just have trouble seeing how Jessica (or anyone else for that matter) could possibly benefit from telling about her advantage to other people. (This is usually true of any advantage, actually.)

        • Violina23

          Especially because NOBODY know she even HAS the advantage, and therefore has no motivation to target her because of it (which was the major drawback for the person who had it the last 2 seasons)

  • Roswulf

    Apologies for putting my nonsense pontification here, but I didn’t watch the episode until very late and missed the live thread flurry.

    One thing that interested me in this episode is that amidst the insufferable confessionals about the hard work of Gen Xers, we had a couple of notable moments where people rebelled against the season theme. Ken gave his speech about how Gen X shouldn’t get overconfident through buying into stereotypes. We got great, very sympathetic confessionals from Adam and Zeke painting them as responsible young uns. We got to see Michaela throw amazing shade at the premise of the season.

    My possibly delusional hope is that this is setting up a seasonal arc about how sane people who do not suck can triumph over generational differences; that the premise ends up mattering only long enough to yield some schadenfreude as the Triforce doofuses get pummeled.

    • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

      The other thing I thought was insufferable and idiotic was the behavior of the millennials at camp. Why the fuck are y’all skinny dipping when your shelter is half-finished? Why are you smiling when Jeff tell’s you that you’re the first cast to evacuate? There’s a reason that you’re the first, it’s because this storm is unprecedentedly dangerous. I didn’t have a great read of Adam before the season began, but based on his reaction to those two things above, he stood out among the other millennials for me.

      • Roswulf

        I must say, if I was unexpectedly told that instead of needing to huddle outside in a giant storm, I’d get to go inside to a safe place even for an even more giant storm, I’d be smiling REALLY broadly.

        Which isn’t to say that Adam, with his whole caring about other people thing is wrong, but I don’t see a moral imperative to be dour while evacuating.

        • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

          That’s fair. Instead of interpreting it the way you did, I saw it as excitement for the being the first to do something. Maybe it was just seeing Taylor, whose punchability has skyrocketed for me from pre-ep to post-.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Even the casting of David managed to buck the narrative a little, because there’s no way he managed to get anything *but* participation trophies. If he participated in anything.

  • Diego Armando

    I can think of one couple breakup where the man was targeted: Boston Rob took out Jesus Matt instead of Andrea on Redemption Island.

    • andythesaint

      Rob knew to break the mold.

      • Max_Jets

        Just copying the strategy of the great Joel Anderson. Absolutely shameless.

    • DrVanNostrand

      You beat me to it! I assumed someone else would beat me to the comment since i didn’t hear it until just now.

  • sharculese

    Dear god, Maryland accents are the worst.

    • corndogshuffle

      Also, their drivers suck. Nothing is worse than a Maryland plate if you’re driving in the DMV area.

  • UseYourCommonSense

    Boring, horrible episode. The cheesy theme is so forced.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    I rewatched the episode over the weekend, and have two additional observations:
    1) Taylor is 31?!?! Just based on his personality (and maybe a little bit based on his stupid, beautiful face) I had assumed he was maybe 22.
    2) My husband realized he is part of the “forgotten generation” born in 1983 and is extremely (annoyingly) pleased by this.

    • I couldn’t believe that Taylor was 31, so I looked it up. He’s not. He’s 24.

      http://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/cast/215478/

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I’m actually relieved to learn that, but now I have no idea where I came up with 31 for him. I just looked up all the Millennials and it looks like the only 31 year old is Mari…

      • Sylvisual

        Wait, Taylor is from Idaho, but bragged about going to North Dakota? Way to travel far, brah.

        • I didn’t catch that. But I’m not surprised.

    • Violina23

      I was born in 1981. Most people were calling us Generation Y for a while. I played Oregon Trail in elementary school, We got AOL as our first internet provider my sophomore year of high school. I got my first cell phone my junior year of college, and I hated it and used it only for “emergencies”. We used to gather in dorm rooms and play Super Smash Bros. on N64, and play “Unreal Tournament” over the LAN. (I was a bad-ass sniper.) I downloaded lots of music on Napster.

      I feel old. And generation-less. Thanks, Probst…

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I was born in 1986 and actually relate a lot more to the experiences you describe than the so-called millennial experiences even though I guess I’m technically a millennial. I wonder if 80’s babies will eventually split out into our own subgroup? I believe I’ve heard that generations are typically 15-20 years long but with technology advancing so rapidly and affecting our experiences so fully I feel like realistically it should be compressed.

        • andythesaint

          I think the issue is that a “generation” is generally the grouping of people before they are child baring, so around 20 years. But then we apply labels and cultural attributes to them, which we tend to grab from a 5 year span within that 20 years.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Very true, and because of when the labeling happens, each new generation generally gets all the negative aspects of adolescence blamed on them for a period. So right now millennials technically include people who are anywhere from, let’s say, 18-32 so there is obviously a huge range of maturity levels on display.

      • You basically described my experiences, except that I didn’t get a cell phone that early.

        Also, we preferred GoldenEye and Rainbow 6 and Tekken for the LAN parties.

        • Violina23

          I hated Golden-eye. Maybe because we were huddled around 13″ CRT TV’s and I couldn’t figure out what way I was going.

          • Oh, we had the “massive” 27″ CRT for 4-player games.

            At least with Rainbow 6 we all had our own monitors.

          • Violina23

            Damn, must have sucked to move that in and out of the dorm. I remember getting winded lugging my 19 inch monitor up 3 flights of stairs.

          • A TV was the one thing that your college roommates were always willing to help move if it was for communal use.

  • Violina23

    So, while I can’t really say anything about the pattern of voting POC/minorities in the early game — I think the tendancy to vote for women over men has the practical reason in terms of strength being a factor in early challenges, don’t you think?

    • andythesaint

      It is a factor. However, I do think people tend to overestimate how much strength is needed and how much teamwork helps. Also, David doesn’t exactly seem strong.

      • Violina23

        Yeah. I think, as you pointed out on the podcast, at least David seemed to try to get back into the game.

        I listened to part of Rachel’s exit interview on RHAP. She was REALLY angry/upset about how people were talking about her — particularly Corinne. Yikes.

    • In theory, yes. And the earliest challenges seem to be the only ones that involve strength anymore. But even then, if it’s a head-to-head strength challenge (like that “hold the pillow and push someone off the platform” challenge), you usually get to choose who you’re sending up to compete.

    • Black Dynamite

      It’s practical if that’s the priority for the tribe. I think a lot of these early challenges are multi-layered where a lot of different things can be helpful. It is good to have a mix of strength, speed, balance and mental skills to be prepared for whatever challenge may be put together. It’s good to have a smaller frame sometimes as well as a bigger one. I feel that the best route is to analyze everyone and see what their high and low areas are and not just give them a pass because they are strong. Unless they are so much stronger than everyone like a James, I want to know what other areas they can be suitable in. I have three other reallystrong people, do I need the fourth if I’m weakening myself in other places? That would be my approach if I was in the island.

      • Violina23

        I think you put more thought into that paragraph than most people put into their decision on the island 😉

        I guess I can see it being the low-hanging fruit when trying to pick a boot from a group of people you don’t know very well. We’ve obviously seen time and time again that quick/smart thinking on the puzzley/brainy stuff often neutralizes the advantage the opposite tribe being faster/stronger/more-coordinated.

        I guess even though the approach is misguided, I don’t tend to think it’s inherently rooted in the “patriarchy/gotta keep women in their place” kind of sexism. But again, I have no good explanation for the booting of minorities, so maybe people still just kinda suck…

        • Black Dynamite

          I agree, a lot of times people pick the person they want gone and think of the first reason they can to justify the decision to themselves and others. It’s frustrating as a viewer though to see the oversimplification play out.

          As for the minorities getting booted, basically people (including casting) still kinda suck.

          • Violina23

            I think John and Andy got it right in that people still have that natural instinct to gravitate towards people who are the “same” as them. I don’t think that people (or casting) are being intentionally racist, but it’s certainly not color/gender/sexuail-orientation/religion-blind. Of those things, only gender can I *possibly* see a strategic justification.

            It would be so satisfying if the final two was, like Zeke and Michaela, wouldn’t it?? A girl can dream…

          • Black Dynamite

            I don’t think there is overt racism going on in these cases where POC players are booted home early. A lot of this is on the subconscious level. There is definitely enough cases of people not “fitting in” that there is a problem. I believe it’s something that needs to be addressed and sometime Survivor should be thinking about. Same goes for other factors like gender, orientation and religion or lack of.