Purple Rock Survivor Podcast: Millennials vs. Gen X episode 12 “About to Have a Rumble”

Andy and Emma get together on video and audio to discuss the latest episode of Survivor: Millennials vs Gen X. And since John isn’t around to keep the trains moving on time, we discuss the HELL out of it.

Purple Rock Survivor podcast: Millennials vs Gen X episode 12 “About to Have a Rumble”

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In this episode, Andy and Emma discuss:

  • Adam’s great episode.
  • The mistake he made this week. The answer may surprise you!
  • If it means that Adam suddenly has a shot at winning.
  • Lil’ Will’s Big Move.
  • Ken’s loyalty oath. That was weird, right?
  • Where things went wrong for Zeke.
  • If Hannah is truly perceptive about votes or just paranoid about going home.
  • The idea that this season lacks a coherent narrative and if that matters.
  • What a teenager would need to do to win Survivor.
  • Who our loved ones would be on the island.
  • Why John is not on the podcast.
  • Our top five albums from 2000-2009 and why it was the best decade for music.

For this season, we hope to do a weekly mailbag segment, so if you have questions for next week, you can comment here, @ us on Twitter, or send us an email.

480 thoughts on “Purple Rock Survivor Podcast: Millennials vs. Gen X episode 12 “About to Have a Rumble”

    1. This was incredibly hard list for me to put together. This decade was filled with so much music that I connected with as I navigate through my teenage years and entered adulthood.

      My top 5 00s albums
      1. Voodoo by D’Angelo (2000)
      2. The Diary of Alicia Keys by Alicia Keys (2003)
      3. College Dropout by Kanye West (2004)*
      4. Be by Common (2005)
      5. The Renaissance by Q-Tip (2008)

      *I actually think Late Registration is the better Kanye album but no album has made a bigger impact in my life than College Dropout did.

      Honorable Mentions
      Stankonia by Outkast (2000)
      Phrenology by The Roots (2002)
      Late Registration and Graduation by Kanye West (2005/2007)
      Food & Liquor by Lupe Fiasco (2006)
      Hell Hath No Fury by Clipse (2006)

      In today’s music, I’m very excited to listen to Childish Gambino’s new album, “Awaken, My Love!”

      1. My top 5 hip-hop albums of the decade are The Blueprint, Be, College Dropout, Late Registration, and Stankonia.

        1. Shit, I should’ve put The Blueprint on my Honorable Mentions. That was peak Jay with some amazing production from Kanye and Just Blaze.

          1. Yeah, I basically have four Kanye albums on my list, but only two of them have his name on the front.

      2. I loved Food and Liquor at the time, but find that I don’t listen to it much at all anymore. Although that may be more for associations with the time I was listening to it.

        1. Those are both out today? Damn, this is like the new Tribe Called Quest or new Sleigh Bells dilemma of a few weeks ago (I chose wrong and listened to Sleigh Bells first). At least you don’t also have the PR podcast to listen to as well.

        2. Damn, I got to listen to that one too. So much music out. I’ve also been listening to the the new Weeknd album, “Starboy.”

        3. “Childish’s new album”

          I know that’s the name he raps under. It still feels weird to me read him referred to that way.

    2. Another data point suggesting that this was the best decade for music: I’m among the older commenters on this site, and I had a kid in 2000, so demographically my intake of new music should have ended with, say, All That You Can’t Leave Behind, and yet this decade was the hardest to whittle down to five (not that the other two were easy).

        1. For all the talk about how digital downloads destroyed albums, I’m surprised at how many of the albums on my list (and the top five for sure) are unitary works that you’re really supposed to listen to beginning to end, in order. I didn’t plan it that way.

          1. Maybe this is the last decade where albums were the dominant form of music.

            Or maybe I’m talking out of my ass.

          2. Oh, I just thought of something (this is for you too, @purplerockjohn:disqus): If you don’t already have them already, you should definitely get the children’s CD/DVD sets that They Might Be Giants put out in the 00s. Great stuff.

          3. Huh, I don’t really see YHF as a unified work. I’m much more likely to listen to “Jesus, Etc.” than I am to listen to the whole thing.

    3. I don’t have a top 5 because I’m a singles kid, not an album kid. But, I do have a top 3.

      1. Hot Fuss- The Killers
      2. A Rush of Blood to the Head- Coldplay
      3. American Idiot- Green Day

    4. Alright, this was even harder than the ‘90s list, is subject to change depending on how I feel, and is not in any particular order:

      Arcade Fire – Funeral
      Broken Social Scene – You Forgot It in People
      Godspeed You! Black Emperor – Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
      Radiohead – In Rainbows
      Daft Punk – Discovery

      Honourable mentions, because I love a lot of music from this decade (oh god, there are so many): Since I Left You; Return to Cookie Mountain; I am Not Afraid of You and I Will Beat Your Ass; Turn on the Bright Lights; Kid A; Apologies to the Queen Mary; Agaetis Byrjun; The Moon & Antarctica; Merriweather Post Pavilion; Feels; Strawberry Jam; Illinois; Third; Hold on Now, Youngster; Franz Ferdinand; Fleet Foxes; Silent Shout; Set Yourself on Fire; †; Saturdays = Youth; The Glow, Pt. 2; You’re a Woman, I’m a Machine; Veckatimest; Twin Cinema; Kala; Hercules and Love Affair; xx; Live it Out; Fever to Tell; The Tired Sounds of Stars of the Lid; Broken Social Scene; Watch Out!; Crisis; Mirrored; Untrue; Andorra; Geogaddi; Silent Alarm; Neon Bible; ( ); In Ghost Colours; You Were Here; The Woods; Microcastle; A Rush of Blood to the Head; The Reminder; Person Pitch; From Here We Go Sublime; It’s Blitz!; Dead Cities, Red Seas, & Lost Ghosts; Bitte Orca; Leaves Turn Inside You

        1. I just haven’t listened to it enough yet–I could tell you about literally every song from Saturdays = Youth and Dead Cities, but not for Before the Dawn Heals Us (hopefully, I can fix that soon enough). I will say, though, “Don’t Save Us from the Flames”, “Teen Angst”, and “Lower Your Eyelids to Die With the Sun” are all-time great M83 songs.

          1. Which side of the Car Chase Terror! divide do you fall on: creepy masterpiece or embarrassing disaster? I’m the former.

          2. At first, I was kinda in-between, but having listened to it again, I think I’m leaning towards creepy masterpiece as well. It’s the instrumental that makes it work for me (I’m still on the fence regarding the dialogue).

    5. I was going to say that the ’00s were a great decade for music because it saw the release of 4 (Beyonce’s best album). But then I looked it up and it came out in 2011. That feels 3 or 4 years too late to me. So I ask, which songs/albums feel older/younger than they actually are?

          1. It’s gotta be the album to beat, right?

            Right now I’m absolutely blown away by how good The Hamilton Mixtape is, but it’s obviously too soon to properly rank it (Busta Rhymes’s verse on My Shot, tho).

      1. Fly by the Dixie Chicks was originally on my list, but that album came out in 1999 when I thought it was a 2000 or even 2001 release. That Phoenix album I could have sworn was newer.

    6. The most difficult decade yet.

      Kid A – Radiohead
      Late Registration – Kanye West
      Yankee Hotel Foxtrot – Wilco
      Transatlanticism – Death Cab for Cutie
      The Earth is Not a Cold Dead Place – Explosions in the Sky

      This may be a cheat, but the entirety of Johnny Cash’s American Recordings series deserves some kind of collective recognition, spanning the 90s and 00s.

      Honorable mentions (capped at 25): In Rainbows (Radiohead), Kala (MIA), Dear Science (TV on the Radio), American Idiot (Green Day), Back to Black (Amy Winehouse), Phrenology (The Roots), Neon Bible (Arcade Fire), Stankonia (Outkast), Lost in Space (Aimee Mann), Elephant (The White Stripes), Discovery (Daft Punk), The Blueprint (Jay-Z), Everything that Happens Will Happen Today (David Byrne & Brian Eno), The Budos Band II (The Budos Band), The Crane Wife (The Decemberists), Escape from Dragon House (Dengue Fever), Daisies of the Galaxy (Eels), The Reminder (Feist), Who is this America? (Antibalas), Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots (The Flaming Lips), We Love ‘Em Tonight (Galactic), Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven (Godspeed You! Black Emperor), All That You Can’t Leave Behind (U2), It’s Blitz (Yeah Yeah Yeahs), I Am Not Afraid of You and I Will Beat Your Ass (Yo La Tengo).

      1. Despite my preference for Bachelor No. 2, I still really love Lost in Space.

        You’re crazy for having It’s Blitz over Fever to Tell.

          1. That’s a great point. Maps is an outlier on that album and a bit of a hint at the direction they’d take. I prefer the raw energy of Fever to Tell, even though Maps is my favourite track on it.

            (It also has “Y Control” tho).

          2. It’s a toss up for me depending on my mood. I probably prefer Fever to Tell all the way through, but there are some songs on It’s Blitz that are just so comforting to listen to.

        1. I talked about this in the other thread, but as an old, I’m never in on the ground floor of a band anymore. Also, I tend to prefer the album after the breakthrough, when a band walks into the studio full of confidence and has money to spend on production (this is also why I have Neon Bible over Funeral, Dear Science over Return to Cookie Mountain, etc.).

          1. You’re super old because TV on the Radio’s breakthrough is OK Calculator to me. I still remember Staring at the Sun and that Mr. Grieves cover melting my mind. Desperate Youth, Bloodthirsty Babes coming out was an event among my circle of friends.

      2. I was super annoying about American Idiot, because even though I liked it, I was frustrated by all the other kids at in school who were only just getting into Green Day when I had been a fan for 10 years.

          1. 4! This is where the older brother came in. I used to add “the corner!” when singing “When I Come Around” because the intangible concept of “coming around” made no sense to me.

    7. Sleater Kinney – The Woods
      Murder by Death – Red of Tooth and Claw
      Gorillaz – Demon Days
      The Dillinger Escape Plan – Ire Works
      Brand New – Daisy (Daisy people exist! Or at least Daisy person does)

      Honorable mention to Emma’s pick of …is a Real Boy, which was once just behind The Woods but I haven’t listened to it in a long time.

        1. I love Sleater-Kinney in general, but none of their other albums come even close to matching The Woods in my mind.

      1. A) Thought Daisy came out in 2010, oops.
        B) Wow, I am shocked. I think you’re the first Daisy person I’ve met! I don’t hate the album, I just love Deja and Devil/God so much more.

        1. I think I’m the only Daisy person I know too! I didn’t like it as much at first, but the more I listened the more I loved it. I have gone back and forth between Daisy and Devil/God at times though (You Won’t Know might be my favorite Brand New song)

    8. Bruce Springsteen – The Rising
      Bruce Springsteen – Devils & Dust
      Bruce Springsteen – Magic
      Bruce Springsteen – Working on a Dream

      Don’t need a fifth.

    9. Brand New – Deja Entendu
      Godspeed You! Black Emperor – Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
      The Microphones – “The Glow Pt. 2”
      The Mountain Goats – We Shall All Be Healed
      Songs: Ohia – Magnolia Electric, Co.

      (Honorable mention to The Anniversary – Designing a Nervous Breakdown, Camera Obscura- Let’s Get out of this Country, Elliott Smith – XO, The Blow – Paper Television, Yo La Tengo – I am Not Afraid of You and I will Beat Your Ass, Interpol – Turn on the Bright Lights, Modest Mouse – The Moon & Antarctica, literally ever Mountain Goats record released in the 00s except Heretic Pride)

      Bonus list: Canada edition

      A Silver Mt. Zion – Born Into Trouble as the Sparks Fly Upward
      Arcade Fire – Funeral
      Destroyer – This Night
      Do Make Say Think – Winter Hymn, Country Hymn, Secret Hymn
      Frog Eyes – The Folded Palm
      Godspeed You! Black Emperor – Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
      Metric – Old World Underground, Where are You Now
      Sunset Rubdown – Shut Up, I’m Dreaming
      Sunset Rubdown – Random Spirit Lover
      Wolf Parade – Apologies to the Queen Mary

      1. I approve of The Glow Pt. 2, Mclusky Do Dallas, and Lift Your Skinny Fists… in your list. Also, fuck yeah, Random Spirit Lover!

        I’ll be a dick and say that Romance is Boring was released in 2010. January 2010, sure, but still 2010. Not gonna knock you for including it otherwise, it’s a great album (“The Sea is a Good Place to Think of the Future” is one of my favourites of theirs).

      2. My Canadian five of the decade:
        -Arcade Fire – Funeral (obviously)
        -Arcade Fire – Neon Bible
        -Stars – Set Yourself on Fire
        -Broken Social Scene – You Forgot It in People
        -Kathleen Edwards – Failer

        1. Stars are one of the weird bands like the Promise Ring where in theory I should love it, but somehow they’re the one member of the Arts & Crafts family who consistently does nothing for me.

          Oh, but fun You Forgot it In People adjacent story: So, in college my little brother was a jam band kid. He’s since expanded his taste considerably, but in college it was all jam bands and reggae covers of 70s staples.

          There’s this one regional act that for years held a 3 day festival where they were the only act – they just did 9 sets in 3 days. The lead singer had eclectic tastes, so they ended up doing a lot of covers you wouldn’t expect. The day after he gets back one year I check Facebook and find out he had changed his status to the chorus of “Anthem For a Seventeen-Year-Old Girl.” When I asked him how the fuck he ended up with a Broken Social Scene song as his Facebook status he got really confused and was like “no, man, that’s Perpetual Groove, I heard them play it.”

      3. Imma have to call you out for “XO” which is a 1990s album by a couple of years. I am 99% sure of this because I own a physical copy.

        BUT good call with “Turn on the Bright Lights,” which works as a collection of singles and as an album.

          1. Figure 8 has higher highs: “Junk Bond Trader,” “Everything Reminds Me of Her,” “Stupidity Tries,” but XO is more consistent.

        1. Dammit, I am the worst at this. I’m replacing it with Drum’s Not Dead, which is a glaring omission.

    10. 1. Opeth – Blackwater Park (2001) – Just a great display of composition and songwriting, and a great mix of traditional black metal and more clean vocals. They went on to improve on the formula with later albums but this one gets the spot because it was my first exposure to them and it brings me back to a certain time.

      2. Lamb of God – As the Palaces Burn (2003) – Simple, well-executed thrash metal. Memorable riffs, and great leads.

      3. Meshuggah – obZen (2008) – As someone that was a band geek at one point, and on and off amateur musician, the complex rhythms that these guys are able to pull off are just stunning. This is kind of a placeholder for all of their work. Their 1995 album Destroy Erase Improve almost made my 90s list, as it was my first exposure to them, but I had to cut it so I figured they need mention in this one.

      At this point I realized I was going to list five metal albums, so I thought it would be prudent to disversify just a tad:

      4. The Crystal Method – Tweekend (2001) – This one always takes me back to a certain time and place of good memories. Their music eventually crept into all kinds of places like sporting events and commercials, but I take that as a compliment because it’s very catchy.

      5. The Mars Volta – De-Loused in the Comatorium (2003) – An album like no other, hard to define or compare.

      Honorable mention:

      6. Godflesh – Hymns (2001) – deep, chunky, riffy as hell and unforgettable.

      7. The Prodigy – Always Outnumbered, Never Outgunned (2004) – also a placeholder for their wider body of work, but chosen because it stands between their old 90s stuff (which was fantastic) and the newer direction they went after this album.

      8. Dew-Scented – Inwards (2002) – more simple pure thrash done well.

    11. In no particular order:

      Speakerboxx/The Love Below – Outkast
      The Rising – Bruce Springsteen
      Magic – Bruce Springsteen
      Graduation – Kanye (but most of his albums could go here)
      Rock Steady – No Doubt

        1. A great album that followed a masterpiece. Amnesiac (Radiohead) and Graduation (Kanye West) are underrepresented for the same reason.

    12. In the infinitesimally small chance that someone was listening to me blather about music and thought to themselves, “that sounds like something I’d like to check out”, I thought I’d give you a song from each album to sample:

      Arcade Fire – Funeral
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b_IHjWXbuM
      (Crown of Love is the breakthrough song from the album, but this is the one that I think best captures the majesty and the glorious oddity of the album).

      Bon Iver – For Emma, Forever Ago

      The National – Boxer

      (No, I’m not just gonna grab the first track on each, but it is key to enjoying an album for the first track to grab you. In these cases, I’m instantly there for the album for track one on).

      Death Cab for Cutie – Transatlanticism

      (At 8 minutes, it might not be the best introduction, but I talked about it on the podcast so I figured it best to share).

      Aimee Mann- Bachelor No. 2
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nay5ybrUEEY
      (Opening verse: Now that I’ve met you, Would you object to Never seeing each other again.
      Cause I can’t afford to Climb aboard you; No one’s got that much ego to spend.)

        1. Can we just go ahead and rank the track list for Deja Entendu? Because mine goes like this:

          1. Okay, I Believe You, But My Tommy Gun Don’t
          2. Play Crack the Sky
          3. Sic Transit Gloria… Glory Fades
          4. Guernica
          5. The Quiet Things That No One Ever Knows
          6. The Boy Who Blocked His Own Shot
          7. Me Vs. Maradonna vs. Elvis
          8. Tatou
          9. I Will Play My Game Beneath the Spin Light (I am going to get yelled at for this one, aren’t I)
          10. Good To Know that If I Ever Need Attention All I Need to Do Is Die
          11. Jaws Theme Swimming

          1. I’ll attempt this.

            The Boy Who Blocked His Own Shot > The Quiet Things No One Ever Knows > Sic Transit Gloria > Play Crack the Sky > I Will Play My Game Beneath the Spin Light > Okay, I Believe You > Me v Maradona v Elvis > Good to Know > Tatou > Guernica > Jaws Theme Swimming

            It’s a pretty loose ranking. I always thought the album was a bit frontloaded other than Play Crack the Sky, so the top 6 are pretty close for me.

          2. I appreciate your recognition that “Jaws Theme Swimming” is the album’s weak point, and will accept you slighting “Okay, I Believe You,” but what’s your deal with “Guernica?”

          3. I don’t know, is it generally well regarded? I’m not a big fan of the way the chorus sounds, and I mostly determined my song rankings by the strength of the chorus as all of them have pretty great verses. I also think Jaws Theme Swimming is kind of a roadblock for me where I often just turn off the album or skip to the end when I get there so I don’t have the same nostalgia for the later tracks.

          4. I mean, maybe I’m just more okay with a scream-ier segment than you are, “Okay, I Believe You” was my number one, after all (and oh shit, there are a couple of scream-y albums I have to go back and add to my honorable mentions) but I love the chorus of Guernica.

            Jaws Theme Swimming is a straight up dud, but either power through it or skip it. The stuff after is worth it.

          5. I think that’s part of it. I also think a lot of songs just kind of drop you into the chorus in a way that feels disconnected from the verses, which doesn’t really happen in the later 2 albums? I don’t know how to articulate this, but it’s always why Deja wasn’t my favorite of theirs. But yes, I have probably neglected tracks 8-10 more than I should.

          6. What an oddly specific thing to do. Anyway, here’s mine:
            1. Okay I Believe You, But My Tommy Gun Don’t (shocking that the arrogant one would be my fav)
            2. The Boy Who Blocked His Own Shot
            3. Guernica
            4. Play Crack the Sky
            5. The Quiet Things That No One Ever Knows
            6. I Will Play My Game Beneath the Spin Light
            7. Sic Transit Gloria… Glory Fades
            8. Jaws Theme Swimming
            9. Me Vs. Maradonna vs. Elvis
            10. Tatou
            11. Good To Know that If I Ever Need Attention All I Need to Do Is Die

      1. I need to make a Death Cab for Cutie confession. The only albums I have in full are Codes and Keys, and the Codes and Keys Remix Album (that Some Boys remix 👌). I have songs from most of the other albums, but have never just got the full albums 🙁

        Also, ‘Slow Show’ is going to be the second dance at our wedding.

    13. I was going to say that I can’t think of an album I’ve listened to and loved end-to-end after 1999, but, no, I’m a big liar. “Is This It” by The Strokes surely hits the mark, and a couple of the early Raveonettes LPs do too. “In Rainbows” definitely qualifies but I’m embarrassed because I don’t own it and only sit through it on YouTube.

      I just…once I became an independent human c. 2002, the first thing that got cut from disposable income spending was CDs. I’m a singles dude anyway, so once we hit the Napster to Limewire to iEverything pathway, I was out. Aimee Mann has some incredible songs that I listen to all the time, but I wouldn’t be able to identify which albums they belong to for a million dollars. And that’s where I’m at in life right now.

      1. Is This It was on my short list, but I knew I’d just be trying to seem cooler than I am. It is a great album though.

    14. SMiLE – Brian Wilson
      Wasp Star (Apple Venus vol 2) – XTC
      American Cheese – Nerf Herder
      Promotional Copy – Reggie and the Full Effect
      The Decline – NOFX*

      *Possibly a cheat, because it’s one 18-minute long song, but it’s an awesome 18-minute long song.

    15. This’ll make Emma feel less alone in her choices:

      My number one would be Fall Out Boy’s ‘From Under The Cork Tree’.

      (I actually wrote a huge thing on it for the Community review. I will not find it, don’t worry.)

      I heard ‘Dance, Dance’ on the weekly radio program from America – Rick D and the Weekly Top 40, and I felt like it was one of the more unique songs I’d heard, and I loved it. I can still vividly recall those few minutes, standing in the shower with the shower radio that had a duck with sunglasses on it. Since then my musical tastes have expanded a lot, so nothing has ever made me feel quite like how discovering that album did.
      (However, Dance Dance is not my favourite song off that album. I’m terrible with remembering what titles go with what songs, though.)

      My other musical gateway was the soundtracks to the Burnout video game series. That definitely expanded my musical tastes, (and, paging Emma,) it’s how I discovered The Academy Is…

      1. Numbers 2-5, kinda:

        Where Do You Hide Your Toys? – Sugar Army
        (If EP’s don’t count, then The Parallels Amongst Ourselves.)

        A Guide To Love, Loss, & Desperation – The Wombats

        Both of The Academy Is…s releases during that period

        Take This To Your Grave and Infinity on High

        Honorable mentions:

        Both of Simple Plan’s releases during that period

        Original Pirate Material – The Streets

        The Greatest Hits albums of both Eminem and Westlife

        1. Aw, yay!

          I mean, I’ll admit that I haven’t been paying that much attention to them since American Psycho. I kind of separate them in my head into post and pre indefinite hiatus FOB.

    16. This was bloody hard but, in no particular order:

      Boxer – The National
      Turn On The Bright Lights – Interpol
      Sound Of Silver – LCD Soundsystem
      Yes, Virginia… – The Dresden Dolls
      Silent Alarm – Bloc Party

      And more honourable mentions than you could shake quite large and unruly sticks at.

        1. Also, I have seen the national 6 times and met them once. So Ireland is apparently better than Canada too? (My fiancée made me say this as apparently making fun of your Canadian-ness is a thing here)

          1. I misspoke about them not playing Canada. I’m sure they’ve played Toronto and Montreal a bunch of times. Vancouver maybe too. None of that helps me.

    17. 00s album related: This thread has made me ask myself “did… I buy Feels on vinyl at some some point, for reasons I don’t remember?” And I went back through my record collection and apparently that did, in fact, happen.

    18. This is my actual list, which is almost impossible to narrow down.

      Radiohead – In Rainbows
      (could also be Kid A)

      Bright Eyes – I’m Wide Awake it’s Morning
      (possibly my favorite album ever. FITE ME)

      The Knife – Silent Shout
      (perfect Swedish Electropop. This album made me understand the importance of good headphones)

      White Stripes – White Blood Cells
      (Self explanatory)

      Justin Timberlake – FutureSex/LoveSounds
      (IMO one of the best pop albums of all time)

      Had to leave off Brand New, LCD Sound System, Of Montreal among many.

    19. Also @purplerockemma:disqus my punk band went to see an Avril show in 2002 and I’m still not sure if we were just being ironic or actually liked it. I kind of think the latter.

    20. Kanye West- Late Registration
      Sufjan Stevens- Illinois
      Panda Bear- Person Pitch
      M.I.A- Kala
      Brian Wilson- SMiLE

    21. My list as usual is British focused but also it’s obvious that 2000-2009 is 13-23 which is probably the most important musical ten years in a person’s life. So it’s not necessarily the 5 albums I think are the best but the 5 albums that are the most important to me in my life.

      5. the Avett Brothers – Emotionalism. It was one of those albums that changes the entire focus of your musical tastes.
      4. Idlewild – The Remote Part. Highlands Folk mixed with Rock music. Idlewild are part of my soul.
      3. Maximo Park – A Certain Trigger
      2. Muse – Origin of Symmetry. I saw them like 7 times in 6 years between the ages for 14-20.
      1. the Stokes – Is This It? I mean this is an album that launched the indie revival which was my entire youth. It’s a masterpiece.

      Like @purplerockemma:disqus there is a lot of emo and pop punk in my heart. My honourable mentions are the Killers – Hot Fuss, Dashboard Confessional – A mark, a mission, a brand, a scar, New Found Glory – New Found Glory.

      the CEO of PG13 Behaviours reminded me that I love the Dixie Chicks but their best work was 97 and 99.

      1. I was/am also into New Found Glory (I love their covers), Maximo Park, and the first few albums of Kelly Clarkson.
        Though I’m also one of those people who has a (Muse) tour shirt of a band tour that they didn’t actually see.

        1. I no longer have my Absolution tshirt. Fuck knows where it went and when but it was a nice arse shirt.

  1. To answer the question of whether Hannah was prescriptive about going home or just paranoid, I think it can be two things. She is paranoid because Survivor in general brings that feeling out in people. Plus she’s Hannah, paranoia is probably a little more common with her. However, I like the point Emma brought up. Hannah could possibly pick up how people around her are behaving and see that something is different. We see clips here and there of the connections Hannah makes with other players and we’ve heard players like Michelle and Zeke talk about the relationships Hannah had with people on the island. When you close to people so much, you can sense when something is off. It doesn’t mean you still can’t get blindsided by a vote. Really good players sometimes get surprised. A sign of a player is sometimes how they bounce back from that moment.

    1. Zeke’s exit interview with Gordon Holmes (which is pretty solid) has a similar read on Hannah. According to him, she has good reads and good plans but what she lacks is the execution of said reads and plans…which we have clearly seen.

      If she were to come back, is that something that she can improve on?

      1. I did see that interview and agree with Zeke’s assessment. I believe that Hannah is a smart player who knows a lot about how Survivor works. It doesn’t matter though if you can execute. That is what stays in people’s minds. 10 minutes on a vote makes being on the right side of the numbers a moot point. Finding out information from Zeke about where the vote is going is a good idea that doesn’t mean shit if you can’t handle a simple conversation. Knowing the vote is on you is pointless when David stands up and you start to say something and back off. This is Hannah’s weakness as a player and the main reason I don’t think she wins (though I still don’t her at zero percent).

        As for she improves on a return trip, I think she can improve but it won’t be simple. If I’m Hannah, I look back on this experience as something that went mostly well. Still being in the game is no small feat. There is potential of a good player there. Smart and likeability goes a long way. As someone who obsesses on a lot of decisions, I can relate to what Hannah is going through. I know I’m over thinking but yet still do it time and time again. That is something that isn’t an easy fix for Survivor but definitely not impossible.

        1. I think her biggest issue is how nervous it all makes her, which is something that is traditionally lessened in return players, so in that respect, she could be better.

          OTOH, maybe it’s that nervous energy that has endeared her to people. Shirin was certainly more comfortable her second time around. It didn’t help.

          1. I was going to bring up a Shirin/Hannah comparison in my OP, but I think a big difference between Shirin and Hannah is that Shirin never got to experience any real power besides the So TC in Worlds Apart (yes, she did vote out Kelly but the No Collars thought that she didn’t). As a result,she wanted to be a power player in Cambodia. I think Hannah has gotten to be part of a power alliance that has valued her input this season. As a result, maybe that need to run the show will be subsided.

          2. The other potential catch for Hannah, the returner: being the superfan around a bunch of people she was a fan of.

        2. If I were to go on Survivor, I’d probably wind up like Hannah. I like to think I’d be able to figure out good strategies and build decent relationships with people, but paranoia and anxiety would definitely get in the way of my game. I would strive to be like David though, since he seems to have turned his paranoia into an asset.

          1. I wish I could say I would not be her, but I would likely be paranoid and nervous. I also have the habit of bouncing my leg up and down when I am sitting, which makes me look nervous as hell. I also speak in indirect language and seem to be unable to simply say yes or no.

        1. In that case, Survivor can be a great experience for her because she can realize what her flaws truly are and work on them. Not to mention the fact that she had a more positive time out there unlike some superfans who get to play

    2. I consider myself somewhat socially awkward, but I usually have a decent read on people (under normal circumstances, and Survivor isn’t exactly normal). I’ve been written off as crazy, but proven right later, on several occasions. Not to say that Hannah isn’t paranoid, because obviously she is, but I think a good portion is correct intuition.

  2. Okay can everybody agree that the winner of this season is David. The problem have with David as the winner is that people keep seeing him as Spencer. My point is who would the Jeremy in this season.

    Also I understand the problem would the double boot in one cycle as the issue with Caramoan and Heroes v Villains double boots where things seem to happen too fast.

        1. I also didn’t know it was going to be an openly discussed topic. But despite my notorious-among-PRP-staff obsession with privacy, I’m fine with it.

          And thank you!

          1. We share our little joys in life around here. As long as no actual names are discussed (which obviously wasn’t an issue in this case).

          2. Congrats, John! I would not handle three kids well, so my hat is off to you. My son had his first birthday today. This has nothing to do with anything, just a shameless plug.

          3. Happy birthday to your little guy! My oldest is turning 7 in under 2 weeks. I always say FOREVER and a second ago… at the same exact time. Parents understand what I mean.

        2. I have not yet listened to the podcast because I have 2 children who will not allow me to play anything but Hamilton in the car as of late. But Congratulations! You are braver than me (I’m sooooooo done)

    1. I don’t like edit reading anymore (“Sunday can still win,” I tell my naive self), but Jay is still looking very good.

        1. It’s definitely an issue, but his path to the end still doesn’t look unlikely to me. He still has his idol and possibly a good connection with Adam now (sidenote: I really love the Adam and Jay dynamic) so if he keeps the target off his back for the next couple votes, he just has to win 1 or 2 immunities which he is the favorite to do.

      1. I’m still on the Jay train as well, but that may be personal bias. Though his current position and edit are both good enough for a winner I think

        1. It’s incredibly easy to imagine Jay as the winner. I just feel like the show has been leaning more on David. Of course, he’s been a bigger driver of action lately, so that itself could explain it.

          1. I think that’s it on the driver of action, through it is easy to see David as a winner with the content he has too.

            If Jay were to win, it would be similar to the Nat A. win after Jeremy and Josh slugged it out. She was more background when they were driving the action, but came to the forefront later (if I recall correctly)

            This is what makes the spacing in this season weird. Say David goes next (which I don’t think, but bear with me) that would be the Zeke-David eliminations happening one boot later than the Josh-Jeremy boots. But in SJDS, there still would have been 4 episodes to build up Natalie (in reality, she had 5). For Jay, they would have 2

          2. I don’t think David is going just for the reason that it’s a double boot. His story is just too big to go out with little fanfare. Ditto for Adam. I can see it being Bret, Sunday or Will.

          3. I didn’t like how rushed the Cambodia finale was with three eliminations and FTC, especially with that amazing but time-consuming F6 vote. Now MvGX is going to double down on that with a six-person finale and a double boot in the penultimate episode. It seems particularly strange since, as you note, whoever wins is probably going to have a Nat A-style sprint to the finish.

    2. is it 100% David? No, but I’m willing to say its 75%, but then I’ve been beating the David drum for a looooong time

    3. I think David is the most likely winner, yes. The season seems to be more about him than anyone else. That said, Jay still has good odds and Ken is still a darkhorse (whose odds decrease every week, but still).

      1. Ken certainly gets enough air time, but I can’t see his edit as a winner’s edit. Of course, I said the same thing about Michele, so obviously Ken wins.

      2. I think ADAM can’t be written off since he could get an achievable Final 3 with Hannah and Ken. I am not confident that Ken can earn votes that aren’t David, Jessica and Hannah.

    4. I was thinking about this in my head on the way to work this morning and is this final 8 that anyone was expecting at all at the beginning of the season? For me, not entirely. I definitely see Bret and/or Sunday and/or Will in this position then, but not David, Ken, Adam, Hannah, or Jay for a variety of reasons. So, I wonder if this is the season of the “underdog” where our five main/dark horse contenders are all people who have had to survive a pretty rough first couple of episodes to get to where they are. You got David and Ken who were on the bottom of Gen X from Day 1, Jay having to work to secure his alliance power, Hannah going against her alliance rather publicly, and Adam being on the wrong side of the votes at the first TC. With that in mind, we should expect to see a “warts and all” edit because none of these people have had a flawless run to get to the position that they are in, which is kinda cool.

    5. I have also been on the David train for a while, however, I’m starting to think that he makes the FTC but can’t pull the votes to win. I’m not sure he would get votes from Michelle,Taylor, Chris, Bret, or Zeke, and Sunday is a cipher so who knows.

      The only Jury votes I see that David can confidently claim are Ken, Jessica, Hannah. He is gonna need a couple more somewhere. This could be a close vote.

      1. I have the exact opposite opinion, lol. I see him getting a lot of votes but he was flagged as a main threat at like Final 10. It’s a long road!

    6. I really hope David wins. I am a little concerned about Ken, but I agree with what Andy said (I think?) on the podcast – I don’t see how he beats David at FTC, and I really don’t see how he gets to the end without David.

      1. Here’s how he gets to the end without David: the other two people at final four take out David instead of Ken. Probably via firemaking, since Ken isn’t voting for David.

        1. I definitely agree that Ken is not voting for David because we got Ken’s lone confessional in the two part episode being “I will never vote for David”, which I assume to be in the game and at FTC as well.

    7. My personal prediction, taking edit into account, is that Adam is gonna be the winner. It is between him and David IMO. I did think previously that Hannah had gotten some good content post merge but the rocks episode was pretty bad for her.
      Only issue with Adam’s edit is the 2 episodes post merge where he got killed with that Taylor feud. I think a lot of people went overboard with their criticism of Adam over those 2 episodes. I have been reading Shirin’s and Redmond’s edgic story analysis for the season and they explained the Adam’s edit over those 2 episodes very well. Like even in that blow up in that Taylor boot TC, whilst he came off looking bad, we knew that he was telling the truth, that is they showed us explicitly subtitled him refusing to eat Taylor’s secret stash.
      David IMO, will be the fallen angel this season ala Wentworth in Cambodia. Adam, Hannah and Ken as F3.

    8. I think David’s biggest potential slip up is a Final 4. If it is he, Ken, ADAM, and Hannah, he could be placed in a tiebreaker challenge against ADAM (presupposing that Ken wins immunity and Hannah is not an idiot, since ADAM Ken is her best shot at victory.)

  3. Hipster pandering (Canadian edition): That entire left side (behind Andy’s right) made me super happy. New Pornographers, DFA 1979, Metric, Stars, Broken Social Scene–all of those albums are awesome (and if someone made their top 5 ’00s albums these 5 I would not object). Not to mention the other side has two Canadian classics from Leonard Cohen and Neil Young. More videos, please, so we can all appreciate the diverse collection of Andy’s music.

    If Andy and John were each other’s loved ones on Survivor, that would be the greatest thing to happen to the show ever.

    Christopher returns! Yay! And speaking of small children, congrats to John and his wife! Hope you and your new baby are doing well.

    1. It was super hard for me to narrow down which Canadian albums I’d feature. So many greats to choose from.

      1. Hell, you could’ve kept the same artists but with different albums for each of them and it’d still be awesome (ex. Twin Cinema, Live it Out, Heart, You Forgot It in People, After the Gold Rush, Songs of Love and Hate). I mean, DFA 1979 didn’t release another album in the 2000s, but still…

        1. Some of the albums were chosen for cover art over preference. Like, You Forgot It In People is the better album, but S/T is nicer looking. Challengers is actually my fav New Pornos album.

          But those are my fav Young and Cohen albums. Harvest is one of my all-time favourite albums period.

          1. I was wondering if you put them there for a reason (I also wondered if some of them were chosen just because they were mostly red).

          1. (hangs head, goes north to wait for the next ice floe being cast into the Arctic)

            In my defense, I’ve only watched the first 30 minutes of this episode so I thought Side Character was talking about random albums visible in Andy’s room – I forgot that one of the topics was 2000-2009 albums. See, I like the podcast so much I can’t stop myself from commenting on it before I’ve listened to the entire thing.

      1. At first I had no idea what it was because Andy was blocking it most of the time. But when he turned at some point, I saw the hand on the cover and realized it was Set Yourself on Fire (my favourite Stars album).

        1. I thought for a minute it was Akron/Family and had to check because I was pretty sure they’re not from Canada. (They’re not. Also, Xiu Xiu is not from Canada, which surprised me.)

    2. A) Before listening to the podcast, I had seen the question and decided I would have answered Andy as my backup. And it was almost word for word what was said in the podcast. Because it would be so magically awkward and sad.

      Instead of hugging, we’d high five or something. And our conversations would be completely devoid of anything sentimental or emotional.

      And thank you for the congrats. I’m currently laying on a couch recovering from the near-zero work involved on my part.

        1. It’s guaranteed to happen at least twice a month, which is just great. Also love the opening up of shots on RobC. The internet treats him with kid gloves.

          1. To be clear, Rob C is one of my all-time favourite players and I’m a fan of his show. But his word should not be taken as gospel.

            Certainly not when my word exists.

          2. I listen to about half his shows (KIA, Wiggle Room, and maybe the recap if the guest is good. The David Bloomberg one is abominable) so I think he does a great job. He’s just very narrow minded sometimes.

          3. And I’m the opposite, I like Bloomberg’s one. The Wiggle Room I can take or leave. The recap/voicemail show I always listen to.

          4. David Bloomberg is a black hole of charisma and is clearly very bitter over the fact that Survivor fan analysis became a “thing” after his time.

  4. I just wonder how big of a deal Adam’s life-story would be in a potential FTC. I know he hasn’t been playing well, but I feel that depending on who he goes against it, people might be willing to give him the win (even more than the million dollars) as a gift to his mom.

    1. I was wondering about a similar question recently. We always see contestants worrying about someone getting in front of the jury when they have a good sob story because they think that will win that person votes, but are there any examples of someone actually getting to the end and winning primarily on the merit of their ‘sob story’? I can’t think of any at the moment, but I’ve only spent a few seconds thinking about it 🙂

        1. Jeremy won 10-0-0. It’s insane to try to make the argument that his admission that Val was pregnant won him at least 5 votes.

          1. Agreed. I didn’t give a damn about his kids and I woulda voted for him twice.

            But I think it was right to save it til the end, because something those San Juan Del Sur people talked about repeatedly was not wanting to sit next to Mr. firefighter dad at the end. And you know Jeremy took that down in his notebook. I’d say “he has a good sob story” is just another thing to add to the pile of stuff people tell themselves to justify kicking someone out.

          2. I agree. They knew about the firefighter story the second time he appeared and it did not affect him (also, there were 2 since Keith was one as well). He could not hide being a firefighter.

          3. Yeah, but no one was like “Keith needs that money to raise his boy Wes up right and proper!”

          4. I know, but you know as well as I do that some people think he won over 7 people with the admission that Val was pregnant. I mean Abi cried when she found out. Abi. And (in these people’s minds), Spencer played a much better game only to get clipped out by Jeremy. Never mind the fact that Spencer screwed over many people while Jeremy didn’t.

          5. If anything, that’s just further proof of my theory that you can find any stupid Survivor opinion on the internet. (And they’re often at the place you’re avoiding mentioning.)

          6. That’s why I stopped posting there pretty much. I can’t say that their opinions are stupid because that is not the type of person I am. But I don’t enjoy having others bite my head off because I interpret something differently. We don’t do that here.

          7. Funny. But even that is not what I mean and I know you are joking. There, it is never a joke and although there have been attempts to clamp down on it, they never ban the offenders.

          8. I just expect it, because it’s just the audience they attract. There are a few opportunities for good discussion there, but it’s laughable that so many of them jump on the “I’m a better fan than you and my opinion is more valid” train.

            I fucking love r/Survivorcirclejerk, though. It’s ridiculous fun.

          9. There are people convinced of anything. He would not have. His own arrogance shot him in the foot.

          10. They were. Then Spencer became more scarce, and now he’s got backlash against him because some things are just too predictable to *not* happen.

          11. I guess he’s just a special snowflake that can’t tolerate people calling him a “worthless fucking camera whore traitor” as a valid response to his comments.

          12. I really don’t like Spencer, but it’s because of who he is naturally. Not because of some weird Survivor vendetta.

          13. I liked him immediately after Cagayan when I listened to podcasts and he didn’t try to rewrite the narrative to suit his ego; he was sincere and self-deprecating. He’s one of the handful of Survivors I enjoy listening to for game analysis.

          14. I take it you didn’t listen to the Mr. Survivor debate, where he and Tony slap fought with each other in a manner I normally associate with cokeheads.

          15. I get that. I actually don’t mind ‘Survivor Spencer’ all that much. IRL he just reeks of money and privilege, and I can smell it a mile away. Just a personal bias against rich people.

          16. I really like Spencer, but I don’t understand how people thought he might be winning Cambodia. He didn’t do a whole lot and definitely wasn’t building the bonds that Jeremy built.

          17. Based on his terrible performance at the SJdS FTC, where he actually had time to say, and some of the times he’s been less than thrilled to get criticism IRL, there was the chance for him to implode and talk himself out of the win. What I didn’t take into account was the possibility that nobody would be interested in putting any pressure on it.

          18. I would be turning to the bottle if I was spending time with Alec, Wes and Baylor while listening to Reed practice his speech multiple times.

          19. So now I’m thinking who would be the best jury to hang out with. Possible list coming soon. Also Best 33 is delayed until next podcast post because life has been super busy recently.

          20. China is a contender for the top spot. The tough part is you gotta hang out with the entire jury. It’s cool to spend time with Courtney, JT and Coach in HvV while they are doing their band thing, but Rupert would also be there.

          21. There seems to be no perfect jury. The best bet seems to be finding the one with whatever player you dislike the most in the jury not being so bad compared to the most disliked in other juries.

          22. Agreed. RC is the worst. I wouldn’t want to hang out with most of them. Malcolm and Abi (away from RC) could be cool though.

          23. Yes, they are. I think these were people that thought all of Spencer’s forced growth confessionals equaled winner’s edit when they really missed Jeremy’s confessionals and edit in general.

          24. I don’t think the baby thing swayed anyone per se, because he had pretty much won by the time they walked into FTC. It was just another thing to add to Jeremy’s strong resume at that point. It certainly didn’t lose him any votes.

          25. My thought at the time (and now) is that the baby thing just helped people feel BETTER about the choice they already made.

        2. Jeremy played one of the best games ever on his second chance. Everyone liked him. He was not cocky. He did one of the smartest things when he put the other arrogant guys has his meat shields. He had both Stephen and Spencer as his nerdy #2. Spencer was arrogant and still young and said stuff that lost him votes. Tasha did not befriend anyone not in her alliance and pissed others off. There is no way that the baby affected anything at that point. Announcing it during the actual game part, it might have because it would have been in people’s minds that he had a good story. But by FTC, the jury had been influenced by each other, they knew who the other final 2 were, etc. Maybe one vote or two votes changed, but it is doubtful.

      1. I can think of two who lost in the finals despite a decent sob story – Sugar, but I mean, lots of other factors there, and Jaclyn – who simply lost to a better player

        Mind you, Adam’s story is much more powerful than theirs. And more powerful than Jeremy’s.

        1. And my guess, since he’s already trying to raise money, is that a portion of his winnings would go to some organization that deals with lung cancer research. Jaclyn would use it for herself to have a kid. Sugar … ?

          1. Yup, which is why I think it may be more powerful.
            There was something about Sugar’s dad dying, possibly shortly before she went out there? I think Corinne actually made fun of her for it at FTC

          2. Sorry, I totally misunderstood your last comment. I thought you were asking about Sugar’s sob story, not commenting on what she would have done with the money

          3. Speaking of which, it seems like Jonclyn is already starting the process of IVF so she can have kids, which is great. They were not great TV, but they seem like they do truly love each other.

      2. I don’t think there’s an example, but part of that might be confirmation bias: not a lot of sob stories get in front of the jury.

        1. The best taste we have would have to be Earl and Dreamz. Dawn and Cochran I’ll throw in, although it wasn’t a sob story so much as a clear difference in who needed the money more.

          I’m not gonna include Tai and Michele because I Tai didn’t really try to play that angle.

          So, yeah, very small sample size, but I’m really skeptical that sympathy can net you more than a vote or two. Which might mean it comes down to that one day, I guess.

      3. I just don’t think anybody can win primarily on the basis of a sob story unless it’s a “please Jeff, can I vote for ‘none of the above’?” situation like Gabon or Nicaragua (and even then, Sugar lost). What a sob story can do, in my view, is be a mic drop moment that either keeps the other finalists from gaining traction, or halts their momentum if FTC is not going your way. And it would only matter in an FTC that was evenly matched going in, which is rare enough to begin with. So for example, I think Amanda could have won China with a sob story.

    2. I think there is very little evidence to suggest that survivor juries ever vote for someone due to their sympathetic life story or on the basis of need of money outside the game. Any argument to the contrary was put to rest after Caramoan when the jury rewarded Cochran, a Harvard educated kid from a very affluent family, over Dawn who had 6 adopted kids to take care of. I remember Corinne claiming in one of her podcasts with Rob that she would have voted for Dawn, due to her needing the money more, despite the betrayal but I don’t believe that either.

      In Jeremy’s case, it was about nudging a couple of voters who were on the fence towards his side. As per the post game podcasts, only Ciera and Joe were deciding between Jeremy and Spencer. It was not as if Spencer voters just changed their mind completely after that reveal.

      1. Yeah, but I think the situation was different. Dawn had a good life-story, but the jury actively disliked her. (And many voted more against her than for Cochran.) I think they would possibly be more willing to do so now because everyone likes Adam, but they might think that he didn’t play the best game. It is very common for juries to vote for whom they like best, instead of for whom played the best game, and I think that this is closer to that idea.

        Jeremy I agree that would have won either way, and maybe even won 10-0 just the same, but I got the distinct impression (which admittedly might have been just the edit) that telling he was having a child had a big impact on the jury.

        1. I think survivor juries almost always vote for the person whom they like the best or the person they are most ok with awarding the million dollars.

          Agree with your take on Dawn situation, not with Jeremy one.

    3. I think it helps if he is in a final 3 with people the jury has mixed opinions about (Hannah & Ken). They might decide that the kid with the sick mom is better than the spazzing Hannah or the weirdo Ken.

      1. *bursts through door*

        I’M HERE, I’M HERE, WHAT’D I MISS?

        Paul and Odette should probably run off together.

      2. I’m here too! I actually signed up for the Netflix trial just to watch it. And intensely researching cord-cutting while I’m at it…

        I love the show, but dear god, Rory is the WORST. She managed to cheat AND be the “other woman” at the same time, and nobody seems to give a flying fuck. What the hell?

        A part of me is hoping it’s a wookie baby

        1. Let’s be real, the strongest Gilmore genetic trait is self-involvement. The three of these ladies seem to do whatever the hell they feel like, with no consequences from the people around them. Fun as heck to watch, but imagine having to deal with them in real life, ay yi yi.

          1. See, in the early seasons, Rory was the anomoly, the “good egg” that kept Lorelei grounded/in check. I didn’t mind that her character changed as she went to college and was less naive about her world (and I LOVED that the show dared to question that entitlement that she was automatically destined for greatness and success due to her name and her grades). I don’t mind that she was acting like an unattached person struggling with confidence and self-doubt. But cheating and feeling NOTHING about the others who can get hurt crosses a line. The Paul thing was played for jokes and it was just mean. He brought Luke an antique wrench for Pete’s sake!

            (End rant)

          2. Rory cheated on Dean in season 1. Kissed Tristan just after breaking up with Dean in season1. Rory has always been self involved.

          3. I don’t disagree on Rory being self-involved, but I don’t consider that a cheat because they WERE broken up. Not very well thought out, but not a cheat.

          4. Not a cheat and I’m confusing season 1 with season 2 when she cheated on Dean by kissing Jess and emotionally cheats on him for ages.

          5. Can’t argue with one bit of that. I’m no fan of Dean, but she really treated him like garbage during season 2.

        2. *bursts bubble*

          I don’t think timing would work out.

          I got spoiled on facebook and was extra angry because the spoiler comment I saw was someone being confused when there’s no confusion.

          1. I know, but hey, at least I was on the right track when I thought it was a possibility after watching “Spring” 😉

        1. At least my portion of it. And 3/4 of it was me gleefully recognizing Bunhead & Parenthood cameos….

  5. I just hit minute 70 of the pod. Am I the only person who can’t yet legally drink within U.S. borders? Oh my god, do you guys all go to the stock market to do a business? Do you know what mahomanungny is?

        1. She’s currently incarcerated. She got busted spray painting “Fuck Trump” on the side of a Fresh Market and they revoked her license- and her citizenship.

          1. The people at Bass Pro Shop don’t appreciate your “Fuck Trump” graffiti tags either!

          2. By saying you live nowhere near a Whole Foods, Fresh Market, or Trader Joe’s, you virtually guaranteed you live near a Bass Pro, a Cabela’s, or a John Deere.

          3. I live within bicycling distance of two different Trader Joe’s, with a Whole Foods in between. But also 35 miles from a Bass Pro Shop.

          4. I almost never shop at Whole Foods. Trader Joe’s, however, is awesome.

            (I also almost never shop at Bass Pro. If I’m there, it’s to get presents for extended family members.)

          5. Near Yul Kwon, apparently. I don’t know him, but he’s a friend of a friend (well, a Facebook friend of a Facebook friend, which isn’t the same thing).

          6. I love Trader Joe’s, we’ve had two Fairways pop in in the past 5-10 years, but we are getting a WEGMANS in the next ~year, so beat that, losers!

          1. Okay… we could hang.

            I can drive but it took me 6 years of freaking out since I was 16. I tried multiple times, paid so much money, tried every school.

            I finally FORCED myself to do it. Despite having did all the lessons when I recommitted to doing it, I had a full-on emotional breakdown in the instructor’s car before turning the key.

            The weirdest part is… I’m pretty fearless in every other way. I’m not afraid of anything else really. But I have the one most inconvient fear ever.

      1. I didn’t learn to drive until I was 29 for environmental reasons. But when I moved back to Atlanta I accepted it was a thing I had to do.

          1. I mean, I spent my sophomore and Junior years of High school as a self styled punk rocker, which you sounded… afraid of? When you were talking about getting chucks I mean. I had the self-righteous anti-corporate leftist views such people tend to have and spent a lot of my time making fun of people excited for things like the Nintendo Fusion Tour(C), so I can guess how you would feel that way.

          2. Given your earlier tweet when we were recording, it’s important to me that you know they do have other songs. 😉

          3. Wait, they do?!?

            In all seriousness, I know that they have more like “Ain’t it Fun” and “crushcrushcrush”. You are also right that they have definitely matured as they (specifically Hayley) have grown up.

          4. It’s weird that you cite “crushcrushcrush” and not “Misery Business”, but I like crush better, so I’ll take it. But yeah, I think people forget how young they are. She’s only a year or so older than you and I are!

          5. Yeah, I know. It’s weird because I definitely heard crushcrushcrush all the way multiple times as well as That’s What You Get (aka the music video right after they almost broke up the first time).

          6. Ha! I either like or liked-at-the-time 12 of them, but am familiar with all the bands in question.

  6. I need to rewatch the first 1/2 hour. Because of the pictures in the video preview I spent the whole time concentrating on Andy’s door.

  7. Will actually did volunteer to vote out Zeke at the unanimous discussion, so the seeds were there. Bret was not flipping. Will was still stupid though.

    1. Sure. But he should’ve done it BEFORE that. The re-vote is when you can do it. The unanimous decision is too late.

      1. i said all last week that i didn’t understand why will didnt flip at the revote, made no damn sense

        1. Did you want him to announce to everyone that he’s voting Zeke before going to cast that vote then?

          Not saying that couldn’t have been a good move, but I think that would have been necessary, or another tie would have been just as likely. Jessica seemed inclined to flip to avoid rocks and Adam is hard to predict.

          eta: Jessica had good reasons to stay with David’s side, but she sure looked quite panicky in that discussion.

          1. Sure, why not? If your goal is to not go home that night, then announce your vote. The secret is about to be out either way.

          2. no i wanted my all time dream scenario of two people flipping and causing rocks that way. but yes it was because jess was a mess that he didnt flip

          3. That almost happened on Australian Survivor. It was tied after the first vote and stayed tied on the second vote because two people flipped. They then made a unanimous choice to avoid rocks, though.

        2. Shirin had a good take on it on RHAP: Jessica flipping is the ideal scenario for Will. Will should have flipped, but his decision not to made sense because Jessica looked like a damn mess. If Jessica had maintained some type of poker face and appeared confident, then Will would have assumed they were going to rocks if he didn’t flip.

        3. I think he thought ADAM or Jessica looked close to flipping and thought staying the course would help. If he and one of them flipped it would still be rocks.

          1. this is the same conclusion I came to, that Jessica’s visible unwillingness to go to rocks caused the rocks to happen, it made it less likely that anyone else would flip

    2. I just find it hilarious that Will was willing to go to rocks to save Zeke, and less-than 3 days later he wants to flip on Zeke to vote him out.

  8. Gonna go in the opposite direction on Death Cab: Sure Transatlanticism has The New Year, possibly the best song about the joy of nostalgia ever made and We Looked Liked Giants, which is great, but most of the stuff in between I find underwhelming.

    On the other hand, lyrically, We Have the Facts and We’re Voting Yes is a masterpiece exploration of what it’s like to be young and shiftless. I don’t care that they expanded they’re musical palette on their later albums. I have McClusky Do Dallas on my list and came close to including All Hail West Texas.

      1. I just don’t know what to make of this. Lyrically I think it’s Gibbard’s best effort. But also, I heard it for the first time days after I found out one of my closest friends had died, so there are associations.

        1. Oh crap, I mixing up my earlier DCFC. It’s You Can Play These Songs with Chords/Something About Airplanes that suck. WHTFAWVY is when they became good.

          My bad.

          1. Something About Airplanes is a weird Built to Spill/Modest Mouse ripoff that doesn’t always work, but it does have “Line of Best Fit.” Tell me you can at least appreciate “Line of Best Fit.” It’s derivative as fuck, but I don’t care.

          2. I never listened to it enough for anything to make an impression, but I’m listening to it now and it’s fine.

          3. I can get if you don’t like that muddy, lo-fi sound, but I was huge into lo-fi for a long time (I have a K Records tattoo), so that song kind of hits the sweet spot for me.

          4. Yeah, lo fi isn’t really my thing. There’s some that I’ve liked, but not from them. Largely because I find Walla’s increased talent in production is what helped them become great (until he became a little too polished).

  9. I know I’ll be in the minority on this but I was pretty happy to see Zeke go this episode. It’s strange because he checks off so many boxes for me that I should really like him. He’s smart, funny, self aware, which are all things I look for in a rooting interest, but there was always something a little off I couldn’t quite put my finger on with him that turned me off. I think last weeks episode was where I finally figured it out. I think there is a callousness to Zeke that is very offputting. You get glimpses of it throughout the season (and this is just speculation but I bet there were more incidents and comments we don’t see because the producers want to sand down his sharp edges) but him and Brett going after David was a really ugly moment. I know he was trying to vote Zeke out and I know we probably didn’t get to see everything and could be missing important context but I think in that moment Zeke was enjoying cutting into David in a not so pretty way. I’m not saying I think that makes Zeke a terrible person or anything but I have a hard time rooting for someone who has that kind of edge to them.

    All that being said, I am exciting they are bringing Zeke back next season because I will really enjoy rooting against him and I think he would make a terrific villain if they chose to edit him that way (though I doubt they will). Not a hateful villain but a more well rounded one that is fun in confessionals, which you don’t see too often. Honestly kind of reminds me of Tyson a bit (whom I also enjoyed) actually with that cruel edge undercurrent that’s mostly but not entirely contained.

    1. Pop a spoiler cover on that second paragraph. I think some here are still trying to remain unspoiled

    2. I agree with your sentiment even though I had him in my fantasy pick 4. I was fine with him going. I believed it would happen. I won’t be surprised if David goes or he wins. Its always funny when the “masterminds” start a chain of events which they all end up knocked out.

    3. If it helps, Zeke has expressed regret over that TC. And that it was akin to other jokes that everyone told, but out of context and too harsh.

      1. I’m sure he did, but is he really sorry about what he said or is he sorry about the consequences? I think he’s probably sorry the way that a child caught stealing cookies is sorry but that’s a totally subjective opinion. He strikes me as the type who’s a mildly lacking in empathy, but is very attuned to his own wants and needs. Which of course isn’t a crime and again I’m not trying to say he’s a monster or anything. Fortunately as a reality tv viewer it’s my right and my pleasure to make judgements about other people’s character based on one hour of edited tv a week! Life’s little pleasures.

  10. So I’ve been trying to crack that moment at the start of the episode where Jay and Bret are “Pissed, bro” because David…? From what I got in Zeke’s exit press was that David called out Zeke’s alliance and that’s what started the crying thing, but he didn’t feel antagonized by him.

    So all I can gather is that Jay and Bret are pissed because David only did “that” (go to rocks?) because “they’d have a 50/50 chance of being screwed”

    I mean… it’s an amazingly level to lack self and strategic awareness at… but I guess that’s how they feel.

    1. I was perplexed by that too. I was thinking maybe they were just overly amped from surviving the rock draw and they were venting. I don’t understand when Survivors get mad at each other for looking out for their own alliance’s interests. I mean, what did they expect David to do at that point? Obviously the two alliances were clashing and of all people David wasn’t going to flip.

    2. The whole thing was ‘they’re bad because they were on the other side’. Everything they said about David could be equally said about their side. It’s pretty standard stuff that makes no sense, but most people feel the same way in their position.

      1. Looking at the podcast art for this episode, I had an epiphany. He has the right amount of island facial hair (not too Reynold or Boston Rob) and he has lost very little weight so his already slender frame doesn’t look too emaciated.

        1. His exasperation at Ken also helped add to his attractiveness this hour, but maybe that’s a me thing.

          1. I feel like one of this season’s theme has been, “If PUT NAME HERE thinks you are doing something wrong, you are really doing something wrong”. For example if Adam thinks Ken screwed a social play, you really screwed up the social play.

    1. Imagine what your first phone date with him would be like. Just tons of declarations at unnecessary volume.

    2. Yeah he looks really good.

      On a funny note, in Zeke’a Ponderosa the doc mentions that he always looked healthier then some of the people out there. (Which is polite doctor speak for he didn’t seem to be fading away)

      But the last few tribals I actually noticed that his skin looks great! Bright and dewy, lol

    3. Alright, who’s island hot this season?

      I got:
      -Ken (Obviously. Which normally wouldn’t count because he’s hot-hot, but he found another level)
      -Hannah
      -Jessica

      And Bret isn’t “island hot”, but should at least get a “island most improved”.

      (Michelle is a different category: Ponderosa hot).

      1. I think Bret is island hot. Chris, definitely, but he’s looking good on jury too. & yeah, Michelle has been great at Ponderosa and has an amazing laugh and smile and I love her.

      2. I can’t remember who brought up Jessica turning “Survivor hot” in last week’s comments, but damn, she looked fly as hell in the jury box, and on the Kinsey scale I’m…whatever number is only attracted to guys

      3. It’s been quite a while since a post-merge survivor has done anything for me. Jenn maybe? My first season was Caramoan, and I think Brenda and Andrea set the bar too high.

        Related question: Who overdoes it getting fancied up for the reunion show? I say Rachel and Will (blazer and tie at least, possibly suit).

          1. Yeah. Sometimes I know there’s an opportunity for a funny comment, but lack the ability to follow through on the funny part.

    4. He was SO nice when I talked to him at KIA’s and I was thinking to myself “I’m like 10 years older than him, why the hell am I acting like a nervous fangirl.”

      But then again, I was a bumbling idiot to Zeke a few moments later.

      I don’t think I get “celebrity” crushes as much as I just want them to be my friend.

      Like, I’m in NO way attracted to Daniel Radcliffe, but he’s a nerdy theater lover who seems like a genuinely good and fun person. I want him to be my British cousin that hangs out with me and sings show tunes.

      Similarly, I want Adam and Zeke and Cochran and Aubrey to just hang out with me and nerd-out over nerdy things. Is that so wrong?

  11. I’m so glad that I asked that question. It would be so great if you guys were also chosen to go along on the reward as the last pick.

    1. Jeff: “Choose one more person and their loved one to join you.”
      Some guy named Brad: “Well, it’s extremely clear that Andy and this man are meeting for the first time. I can’t believe I’m doing this, but I’m very intrigued to get the story here. So I pick Andy and guy who I assume he contacted on the internet.”

          1. It’s completely overshadowed by “she died, dude”, but their performance in the loved ones challenge (the Dating Game quiz) make it obvious that they don’t know each other. It’s pretty hilarious.

        1. Or the people on the show to get famous would think hope that befriending y’all would be a productive plan.

          1. We’re the wrong type of podcasters to befriend, since we don’t tend to obsessively fawn over every* player.

            *”Every” is an important qualifier here. I am still the person that did weekly posts debating whether I loved Shirin or Max more.

  12. My personal prediction, taking edit into account, is that Adam is gonna be the winner. It is between him and David IMO. I did think previously that Hannah had gotten some good content post merge but the rocks episode was pretty bad for her.
    Only issue with Adam’s edit is the 2 episodes post merge where he got killed with that Taylor feud. I think a lot of people went overboard with their criticism of Adam over those 2 episodes. I have been reading Shirin’s and Redmond’s edgic story analysis for the season and they explained the Adam’s edit over those 2 episodes very well. Like even in that blow up in that Taylor boot TC, whilst he came off looking bad, we knew that he was telling the truth, that is they showed us explicitly subtitled him refusing to eat Taylor’s secret stash.
    David IMO, will be the fallen angel this season ala Wentworth in Cambodia. Adam, Hannah and Ken as F3.

  13. After Andy said that he had worked in a music store, now I’m picturing him as Jack Black’s character in High Fidelity.

  14. I think it is a bit off-topic, but since this is the most current discussion: I’ve started to suspect that, for me at least, Survivor is more fun when you are spoiled about who won the season. I thought about this watching Survivor Australia: since I was traveling last month, I got behind on watching it. Since I caught up with this season before watching the AU version, I eventually got spoiled here about the winner. And watching it knowing what the result was going to be ended up a pretty cool experience. While everyone was probably wondering, “what the hell is going on?”, I was much more interested, thinking “How the hell can they win from here?!”

    Besides, knowing the result, I paid more attention to the winner, and I like them quite well. And the two last episodes became epic!, I honestly feel like the last episode is a contender for the best last episode in Survivor history. (The whole season is actually one of my favorites.) Indeed, I became really surprised coming here and seeing all the hate for the season.

    Thinking retrospectively, my favorite seasons were seasons that I watched knowing the result. I knew who was winning Amazon, so I didn’t feel the deep disappointment most, I guess, felt, and so it is one of my Top 3 favorites. But of course this could be biased: it is much easier to be spoiled about the winner of HvV than Fiji. (I don’t know who won Fiji.)

    Recent seasons I guess could also have been improved by knowing who won. I, for sure, wouldn’t have been so down on last season if I knew about OWM. (I would at least have time to get used to idea.) I also feel like Worlds Apart would be a bit more palatable if we knew (for sure) those horrible people wouldn’t get to win the prize, at least.

    1. One other thing to consider: maybe it’s not being spoiled on the winner that made it more enjoyable for you, maybe it was being able to binge instead of watching week to week.

      1. I think bingeing versus week to week is a huge difference. allows those dull episodes to be smoothed over

          1. I’m first-time watching Fiji, one episode per day. So another data point–it’s still terrible at a pace between binging and one episode/week.

            Seriously, I’m through ep. 5 and I think the only competition for worst consecutive string of terrible episodes may be the One World pre-merge. And I’m wondering what’s coming up that got Rocky purged even from the discussion of top Survivor jerks.

          2. oh yeah that is true, but it makes it quicker to get to the part of the season that is actually worthwhile

        1. This 100% why SJDS is much better on a binge. You get to the fun post merge much much quicker.
          *this is an spot by your resident SJDS apologist.

    2. I agree with your general sentiment, as I personally always prefer rewatching a season to the first time watching it live. However, for some reason I still obsessively avoid spoilers during the initial airing. Not really sure why I do that when I often suspect that I would have more fun if I were spoiled, but life is full of contradictions 😛

    3. Watching in real time, with no foreknowledge, makes the highs higher and the lows lower. When I re-watched Jessica’s boot episode with my kid it packed way less punch for me, although it was fun to watch my kid go bonkers. Conversely, I’m watching Fiji for the first time now, and not to spoil anything for you, but the pre-merge must have been awful to watch if you had to wait a week between episode.

      I completely agree that the Australian Survivor finale was an instant classic (not only for the winner; the final immunity challenge was epic). However, watching it in (almost) real time, the six or so episodes prior to the finale were excruciating. From the Jennah-Louise boot if not sooner, it was crystal clear where the end-game was headed, and every episode from then to the finale was incredibly frustrating.

      Australian Survivor was kind of the mirror image of Kaoh Rong–the WTF nature of the winner elevated the season, whereas it detracted from Kaoh Rong.

    4. Did you binge Australian Survivor? I imagine that could have helped to. It was an intensely long and frustrating season of Survivor to watch 3/4 times a week.

      1. Yeah, I saw the last 2 weeks in one afternoon. I think that helped too. For example, putting one no elimination episode in the middle of the final stretch must have been really frustrating for people that had to wait to be able to see another one. They also kept selling the possibility of a flip every single episode (well, it did happen once), and that started getting a little old.

        But the entire concept of Survivor AU was slow and long, at 26 episodes of around 1 hour. It is gigantic. But this is one of the things that I loved about it; we got to spend more time with the contestants and see things in detail. (Although I can see how it would bother many people.)

        1. That’s incredible that you watched the last two weeks in one afternoon. That’s literally half a season of US Survivor in running time.

          I really liked the length during the tribe phase. We got to see interesting things that US Survivor yada-yadas, like idol hunts and strategizing before the start of a challenge. But sometime around the merge I started wondering in the comments whether episodes would start feeling stretched out once we got down to single-digit contestants. I was right about that, and the fact that there weren’t enough strategists left to do anything about the mateship alliance made it that much worse. Plus–hey I’m not made of stone here guys–losing JL and Brooke back-to-back really sapped my interest. But the finale made me glad I stuck it out.

  15. I finally got to the end of the longest podcast ever 😉 and I just wanted to say congrats to John and Mrs. John!
    Also, in the spirit of baby-ness, I wanted to announce to my PRP pals that I will be having my first baby this June! I look forward to many months of complaining on this board. For example: my back hurts.

  16. So I’ve always had a weird relationship with any current music. I grew up in the 90’s (was born January of 1990, Emma and I are the ultimate Millennials) with a dad who exclusively listened to classic rock, so the only decades I knew a ton about were the 60’s and 70’s. I’ve since started to catch up on what I missed, but even that now feels like listening to classic rock with music that’s approaching Will’s age.

    Even then, most of what I’ve listened to since I became a legal adult is classical music. I went to college for music education, played in an orchestra as well as about seven other groups, and now I teach band. But if you want to know about anything written in the 19th century, I’m your guy!

    I thought this was a great discussion, gave me lots of ideas for listening. Paramore is one of the groups mentioned that I already know and love. I also need to extend a thank you to Canada for giving the world Barenaked Ladies.

    1. Man, I am only a couple of months older than you, so that’s neat. I tweeted this out that The Only Exception was a ringback tone for me from the fall of 2010 to the summer of 2011. In fact, that song was probably the last one I really discovered from watching the music video on MTV late at night in the summer of 2010 (which is why I thought of that album as a 2010 release, not 2009).

    2. You have a conduit to current music that us olds don’t have, through your band kids (although it’s probably been all Hamilton all the time for a while now).

      1. Great point. This has been a huge part of the way I listen to music. Hamilton is huge, and I also listen to a lot more pop now (no albums, mostly radio). I like to stay current ish. It’s fun dropping references when they aren’t expecting it.

        1. Radio is OK, but except for Kanye West almost none of the albums we’ve been discussing in these threads were chart-toppers.

          I can’t possibly be the first one to tell you this, but as a music education major, you should probably head straight to Radiohead, and in particular this run of albums: OK Computer, Kid A, Amnesiac, Hail to the Thief, and In Rainbows.

          As someone with a background in an orchestral music you might find Explosions in the Sky and Godspeed You Black Emperor interesting as well.

  17. I want to take this opportunity to thank Sharculese and the others who talked about Adventure Zone in a previous thread. This is why I just got around to listening to this podcast today.

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