Purple Rock Survivor Podcast: Millennials vs. Gen X episode 8 “I’m the Kingpin”

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Purple Rock Survivor podcast: Millennials vs Gen X episode 8 “I’m the Kingpin”

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In this episode, Andy and John discuss:

  • The shocking change of pace that was a woman getting voted out.
  • Was it the right move to vote out Michelle, or was it a lost opportunity?
  • All the ways Adam sucks at Survivor.
  • Is there any way this new advantage wouldn’t be the worst thing ever?
  • What Jay and company’s plan could have been.
  • Re-litigating Jay’s decision from last week. Were we proven wrong?
  • What does being great at mason jars mean, even?
  • How under-featured Michelle was in her boot episode and why.
  • Can a bad pre-merge ruin a season for you?
  • Great concert experiences.
  • How would each member of the PRP staff do on the show.
  • Our feelings.

For this season, we hope to do a weekly mailbag segment, so if you have questions for next week, you can comment here, @ us on Twitter, or send us an email.

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  • Black Dynamite

    33 Best Survivor Episodes Part 6

    18. Survivor: Vanuatu episode 11 “Surprise and… Surprise Again!”

    When I think of Vanuatu, the word mess comes to mind. I think Vanuatu is a mess of a season. Both tribes were messes, one in a entertaining way, one in a annoying way. This episode is a mess, in a very fun way. The episode begins with the return from Tribal Council where Chad is voted out by the six remaining women, leaving Chris as the last man. Chris immediately outs the plan that Twila and Scout had to conspire with the men to turn on the women. This caused friction among the women, who already had trouble getting along. There is a family visit. I haven’t talked much about family visits throughout the list. Sometimes the emotion hits me in the sweet spot, sometimes I roll my eyes. I don’t what aspect of the visits causes either reaction. This particular visit hit the sweet spot. My favorite moment being Twila admitting she can’t type and asking someone to type for her in the chat with her son right before Jeff reveals that it would be a webcam conversation and they will be able to see each other. Eliza wins the challenge and is surprised that her mom is there on the island along with the other family members. They even appear again at the immunity challenge as surprise participants. Chris realizes that he is in a bad spot as the only man and needs to win this immunity. He is full on manic mode directing his girlfriend through a blindfold challenge. He needs to win and he says it’s a fact that he will win. After Ami wins immunity with her girlfriend, Chris seems like the obvious answer for elimination. There is a movement among the women to save Chris and get rid of a “less deserving” Eliza. Chris is ecstatic by the news that he had to do nothing and be saved. This was not enough for Twila though. Her and Scout were no longer in Leann and Ami’s final four plans. So Twila approaches Chris with an idea on how to completely flip the game. They will get Eliza to side with them and blindside Leann. Tribal is very enjoyable with everything played close to the vest with neither side revealing the truth. The blindside is so sweet with Ami in shock and no longer controlling the game. Also, Eliza gets a lot of her talk about her jury expressions but the look she gives Ami at Tribal is absolute gold. This is an enjoyable experience with messy play, messy family related emotions, messy alliances and a satisfying ending.
    Episode MVP: Twila

    17. Survivor: Heroes vs Villains episode 1 “Slay Everyone, Trust No One”
    The third of five premiere episodes on this list. What an opening to this season. The biggest Survivor players in history flying in on helicopters over the beautiful island. The music is great as well. The triumph that plays when the Heroes arrive, smiles and shows of respect all around. The switch when the Villains arrive, every note hitting hard as more and more notorious players exit the helicopter. The narration by the players and the conversation with Jeff Probst sells on the theme nicely (though Probst is wrong about Parvati, she’s the hero we all need). Then the reward challenge that follows clues you in that this will be a special season. Contestants have go in pairs to dig in sand for a bag and bring it back to their team’s mat. Immediately these players try to kill each other. One of the most physical contests ever. Stephenie dislocates her shoulder in the first point, leading Jeff to exclaim “Wow!” He’s just as excited as the audience to be seeing this. The two best moments of the challenge was when a topless Sugar got a point and flipped double birds, and when Colby learned first hand who the Dragon Slayer was, as he was being dragged to the mat by Coach. That’s how you start an episode. The teams get to their beaches and we get a first look at tribe dynamics. The Heroes are shown working hard on their camp as Rupert says great things about their tribe that I tune out because it’s Rupert. Not all is sunny though. JT makes conflicting alliances with James and Tom. He plans to switch up his game this time. Factions are forming, discussing who the biggest threats are. In Colby’s case, he’s just trying to learn who these people are. Welcome back, Colby. This good, honest role that the Heroes are taking is slowly being shown to be a façade. Over on the Villains Tribe, it’s just full on entertainment. Great characters getting to mesh together is so much fun. Even Russell doesn’t seem awful in the early moments. We get good scenes of Russell and Parvati trying to egg Coach on to talk to Jerri and Courtney and Sandra telling Jerri to do the same. We get Boston Rob and Sandra betting on Coach’s ability to climb a tree. Also good commentary from Tyson, Courtney and Randy. Danielle is also there. There is business going as well. Rob takes the leadership role, starting a fire and earning the valuable respect of Coach. Russell, on the other hand, is making final two deals with Parvati and Danielle. He’s aware of Rob’s position and he wants to be the alpha, setting the stage for that great storyline to play out. At immunity, the Heroes jump out to a big lead in the water. Probst gets in a great burn on Coach, showing surprise that the Villains are falling behind even with all of Coach’s “life experience on a kayak.” The Villains take the lead when the Heroes struggle on the puzzle, and win the challenge. Sugar is the obvious target. We get a long, hilarious confessional from Colby about how Sugar is annoying, ruining his ability to sleep. The Sugar vote is too easy for Tom, the mob boss of Survivor. He thinks they should go after Cirie instead of a follower. There is more chatter that sets up future Tribals but for today, Sugar is unanimously voted out. A great premiere chock full of classic moments.
    Episode MVP: It could be almost anyone. Let’s give it to Jerri, who is looking incredibly gorgeous here and is being very charming and also let’s introduce her to Beautiful Ken.

    16. Survivor: Palau episode 12 “We’ll Make You Pay.”
    Who has the greater willpower? A question answered loudly by the end of this episode. After the ouster of Stephenie, who was viewed as the biggest threat, we all down to the final six in Palau. The new main target is either the alpha male in Tom, or the power couple in Gregg and Jenn. Before the reward challenge, Ian mentions the promise he had with Katie to take her on any reward he wins and the promises he made with both Tim and Katie to take to the end. The reward challenge most notably showed Gregg asking Jenn if he could chop one of her ropes in the trivia contest. A clear signal that those two are very tight on the island. Gregg wins the challenge and along with Jenn and Katie, they go on a epic boat trip. While on the yacht, they are surprised by loved ones and discuss the idea of getting out Tom, who they see as the biggest threat. Katie is down to flip on Tom. They decide to pretend to Tom and Ian that the votes are for Caryn. On the island, Ian tells Tom that Katie has flipped and is now gunning for Tom. Ian doesn’t want Tom to go and leave him as the biggest threat. They decide that Gregg is the person they should target in return. They also want to use Caryn as the cover vote. Caryn says that she can act gloomy that she is going home. Usually in Survivor, when someone proclaims to be good at something then it’s usually a red flag that they aren’t really as good as they believe. I gotta give props to Caryn though. She says she’s a good actor and sells being miserable really well. The plan is in motion. Ian wins the immunity challenge, leaving Tom and Gregg vulnerable for elimination. Each side has three members voting for a certain person with no one wanting to flip. How can this tie be solved? Going to rocks in Survivor is the ultimate tiebreaker. The people with votes are now safe, along with the immunity winner and everyone remaining will draw a rock at random with the person drawing the different color rock than the others going home. You are voted out by chance and with only six people left, the chances of someone going home greatly increases. Tom, Caryn and Ian realize this and before the immunity challenge even takes place, decide that they would all be willing to go to rocks if they needed to. None of them are changing their vote from Gregg. Right before Tribal, Ian approaches Katie and informs her that she can do whatever but the three of them are voting for Gregg and are willing to go to rocks. Katie is frazzled by Ian’s last minute plan reveal and doesn’t want to leave by chance. This starts a fracture between Katie and Ian that builds later on. At tribal she goes with Ian’s side and Gregg and Jenn are blindsided with Gregg exiting 4-2. I love all the moving parts in this episode. Both sides coming up with pretty well formed plans to blindside the other. We see the relationship dynamics between Gregg and Jenn, Tom and Ian, and Katie and Ian extremely well. The stakes are never higher with the rocks looming. Just a great episode all around. I love Palau
    Episode MVP: Ian

    Next time is 15-13, including the end of a brilliant arc in Barbara Anderson’s “favorite” season. I may lose the credibility I just gained.

    • Dude…that is not even the correct episode to pick IMO. I get why it is tempting to pick it though. At least it is not the finale.

      • Max_Jets

        The finale is great too! I’d go Black Dynamite’s pick>Finale>Episode you are probably talking about>rest of the season. Those top 3 are all really great though.

    • Max_Jets

      A lot of people seem to give Chris more credit than Danni. That Vanuatu episode is a perfect example of why those people are wrong.

      I am very excited for your teaser for next time.

      • gouis

        Chris stinks.

      • Yeah because it will be the merge episode of HvV…oh wait, he said “favorite”. Never mind.

    • andythesaint

      “We’ll Make You Pay” is one of my favs. I love when players lay it all out there and go for it.

  • andythesaint

    Here’s you concert story thread.

    • gouis

      You listing Neil Young as your favorite concert is the most Canadian thing of all time.

      • andythesaint

        Listing Tragically Hip as my least favourite is the least Canadian thing of all-time.

        • sharculese

          Welp, now I’m glad I held my powder on making that joke.

      • andythesaint

        Until yesterday, Canada’s three greatest pop music artists were still alive. I’m glad I got to see one of them live in concert.

        • StormofCuteness

          I got to see Neil Young at the Greek in LA which is an amphitheater. It was his Harvest Moon tour, and as luck would have it, a full moon rose above him as he sang the title song. He also sang many songs from Harvest. I was so blissed out.
          Super added bonus: The Pretenders opened for him and Chrissie Hynde was on fire.

    • gouis

      My favorite concert was my junior year in college.

      David Bowie was playing what would end up being his last tour. Me and my friends had tickets but then I found out my diff eqs final was that day. We told our Prof, who was pretty young, and he just let us take the final early and said “man I wish I could go!”

      We then got there and somehow snuck to the front and got empty seats about halfway through. It was simply transcendent.

      • gouis

        Oh and I saw Radiohead in high school and it was GREAT.

    • andythesaint

      For the record, I could’ve done another hour on this topic and had to edit out some of John’s attempts to move it along.

      (To be fair to him, the poor guy wanted to go to bed).

    • sharculese

      Top 4, basically in order:

      -A Silver Mt. Zion, previewing material for Kollaps Tradixionales

      I was apprehensive about this show because I’d heard so many horror stories about what dicks Godspeed were, but it turned out to be the best rapport between audience and band I’ve ever experienced. They were super chill and had a really good back and forth with us. Only plaid like seven songs, but that’s what happens when all of your songs are fifteen minutes long. Plus, Vic Chesnutt opened, so I got to seem him right before he died.

      -Andrew Bird, touring for And the Mysterious Production of Eggs

      This one was a total surprise for me. I had no idea what I was going to see, but my roommate had an extra ticket and I was told at the last minute I didn’t have to work. We drove around in his Scion getting high first, which is what we did every night anyway, and then headed over. The crowd was so small and so chill the venue relaxed it’s usual policy and just let everyone sit cross-legged on the floor. The opener was some country singer from the midwest who was also clearly high, she spent like five minutes talking about how impressed she was with the quality of the south’s greasy diner food. And then Andrew Bird was just an incredible performer, absolutely blew me away.

      -Mogwai, touring for Mr. Beast

      We were late to this one because we had to stop at some girl’s place and get high, but we showed up right as they were launching into the opening notes of Helicon 1. Small club show, so they didn’t have the full lighting rig, but they had a couple of small LED spots that they set to strobe during the climax. I can still picture it 10 years later.

      -Boris, touring for Pink

      I’ve talked about this one before, but this was right after Pitchfork made Pink into a big deal and Boris suddenly had the cache to do an American tour. Athens was one of the first stops, and it was this weird mix of hipsters and metal nerds, but everyone was chill with each other because we were all there for the same reason. And they melted our faces off.

      Two fun encore stories:

      -Spoon, touring for Gimme Fiction

      So towards the end of the encore they sort of just move into this noise jam, and Britt Daniel is getting increasingly into it. One by one the rest of the band get bored and leave the stage, while he’s just standing there banging out peals of skronk. Finally, he realizes what’s happened, and just yells “fuck The Kaiser Chiefs,” and storms offstage.

      -Metric, touring for Live it Out

      They come out for the encore and Emily Haines has clearly just snorted all of the cocaine in Georgia. They get through two songs before she diverts into a spoken word tangent then starts moving back and forward as if she’s thinking about stage-diving, in a club where that was not a thing that happened. Which she eventually did, and she ended up coming my way, so I can say I’ve had my hand on Emily Haines’ butt.

      And then one that’s just ridiculous

      -Camera Obscura, touring for Let’s Get Out of this Country

      So I realized like an hour before this show that it was gonna be the same back of dour Athens hipsters that are at every show. For some reason I decided to respond by getting stupid drunk and doing a thing I called punch dancing – think a cross between skanking and a grand mal seizure.

      What I don’t know is that one of the grad students who I worked with was in the back with her husband, this weird older dude who I heard half of my Godspeed horror stories from. (Also he has amazing stories about what At the Drive-In were like when they were first starting out.) What I also didn’t know is that Michael Stipe was there with Aimee Mann, and in pure monotone had walked up to them and said “I think it’s appropriate the old people sit together.”

      I found out after the show that midway through he pointed at me and just asked them, “doesn’t that guy know that his dancing is terrifying?” and they looked over and were like “oh shit, it’s [sharculese.]”

      • andythesaint

        Emily Haines’ energy was particularly high during the Live It Out tour. I think the whole band really got into being able to rock out with that one after the detached Old World Underground stuff. By Fantasies, it seemed like they were a little burnt out (or maybe I caught them on a bad night. The crowd was also really shitty to the point the Haines cussed some of them out and almost walked out).

        • sharculese

          From what I understand, Fantasies coincided with her hitting rock bottom. I believe she’s sober now and doing a lot better.

      • sharculese

        Also, if anyone wants to see what the back of me looks like, this video is around because that was one of the first times ASMZ played “There Is a Light.” The two lit up dudes in the front row who keep whispering to each other – I’m the one on the left in the white shirt, my buddy Arthur is the one on the left in the red shirt. I watched this video a bunch of times before I realized that.

    • Purplerockmatt

      ok a few highlights:

      I saw Bruce Springsteen close out the Spectrum (a local sports stadium with a rich history in Philly) by performing the entire album of Darkness on the Edge of Town which was just incredible. Unbelievable concert and performance and seeing an entire album performed like that (and my favorite Bruce album no less) was really unique.

      My first concert was REM on their Monster tour and that was a fantastic concert of a great band at the height of their powers.

      I saw the Who in their first concert after John Entwistle died and while that suffered from some of the old band problems that Andy outlined (Daltrey did not have his young voice) but that was the most emotional concert I ever saw.

      But the best live performance I have witnessed is an artist I have now seen twice. And that is Stevie Wonder. The second time I saw Stevie was when he did a pop up show in Philly a year ago or so, but the first time was at Live 8 and that was an unbelievable show, with a number of great acts, and even ones I don’t like were great (like Linkin Park w/ Jay Z was fantastic) but the best performer was easily Stevie Wonder who closed out the festival and absolutely brought the entire city down he was so good. And let me tell you, having seen Stevie live twice now, there is one thing you all need to know. That man ain’t blind.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Conspiracy reference or not, I’m so jealous you got to see Stevie Wonder. I love him so much.

        • Purplerockmatt

          He is amazing, and he is even better live than I could have imagined. But the man ain’t blind

          • indescribable hat

            WHAT? I can’t tell if you’re serious, but thank you for introducing me to this fascinating world.

          • Purplerockmatt
          • indescribable hat

            Yeah, I suppose anything’s possible, but most of the evidence is just “he’s pretty good at navigating the physical world,” which I think many blind people are… Basically I’m not prepared to question it without combing through years of footage of many other blind people.

          • Purplerockmatt

            (I don’t actually believe this, but I decided a few years ago that if I was to believe one conspiracy theory, it would be one that is completely pointless)

          • indescribable hat

            Genuinely not sure if I’m relieved or disappointed…

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I think most of my favorite concerts are album tours, where the band plays a whole album, front to back, as well as a few other songs to fill out the set, if applicable.

      Weezer playing Pinkerton plus all their other hits? Amazing

      Jack’s Mannequin for the Everything in Transit 10th anniversary. Andrew McMahon is one of my favorite performers, I have seen him do Jack’s, Something Corporate, and solo. It’s always amazing. Once I saw him do back-to-back sets and play with Jack’s Mannequin and Something Corporate, which was awesome.

      Brand New playing Your Favorite Weapon and Deja Entendu. Small venue, the only time I’ve ever gone to a show alone. Spoiler alert: Deja Entendu just might be my favorite album, at the very least it’s in my top 10 for all time. YFW is just standard pop-punk, but was fun live. I made friends in the pit and lost my shoe on two separate occasions. Bonus: I recently saw them play all of The Devil and God are Raging Inside You so I didn’t even have to miss out on their best album in the long run.

      I’ve seen Panic! at the Disco probably a dozen times and I don’t care who knows it. Brendon Urie is a great front man (and it doesn’t work that he’s hot as hell)

      Favorite amphitheater show was probably No Doubt’s reunion tour, with The Sounds and Paramore opening.

      God, I’m so fucking emo.

      • sharculese

        Spoiler alert: Deja Entendu just might be my favorite album

        Spoiler alert: You and I are gonna have a lot to talk about if we do 00’s album week.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          You were my hope.

          • sharculese

            I was putting my list together and realized there are 2 free spaces (one of which is probably taken) and 3 locks. Deja Entendu is one of the 3.

        • andythesaint

          She still hasn’t forgiven 2009 me for not putting it in my top 25.

          Frankly, I’m a little surprised I didn’t.

          • sharculese

            I’m much more of a 90s emo fan (Braid, Fugazi, Knapsack, etc.) but it’s just such an amazing record from start to finish.

          • andythesaint

            It’s the album that made me realize that I was actually INTO a new kind of music now. Before it, I was dabbling while still clinging to the idea that I was still a hip-hop guy. And like Fear of a Black Planet over a decade prior, I was pouring over the liner notes, excited about discovering as much as I could.

          • sharculese

            Given the cleverness of the lyrics that seems like the perfect album for a hip hop head to make the transition to rock music.

            After the unapproachable trinity of Leonard Cohen (RIP), Elliott Smith (RIP), and John Darnielle (you better be immortal, motherfucker) I would say “Play Crack the Sky” features some of my favorite wordplay of all time.

          • andythesaint

            I think the issue is that by 2009, I wasn’t listening to it. I certainly went back to it when compiling my list, but I’d moved on a bit.

            I’ve since gone back and loved it all over again. Won’t be in my top 5 tho.

      • the sky is falling

        *Raises hand*
        In 2011, the Cure played their first 3 albums: Three Imaginary Boys, Seventeen Seconds, and Faith along with quite a few oddities and rare tracks Without a doubt, the best concert on my list

        If festivals count, a close second is Coachella 2009: The Cure, My Bloody Valentine, Public Enemy, Leonard Cohen, Paul McCartney, Paul Weller, Morrissey, Conor Oberst, Henry Rollins, and Los Campesinos all in one weekend. Downside is that it was a damn festival and exhausting..

        The Cure continued playing past curfew after their power was cut and house (field) lights were turned on. An acoustic Boys Don’t Cry audience singalong. It was Robert Smith’s birthday and he wanted to play another song.

        • Purplerockmatt

          shit i’d love to see the Cure in concert, that sounds awesome

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Regretfully, that’s one of the ones I really don’t remember.

          • the sky is falling

            i think I have seen them at least 10 times, very good live band. They nearly always play over 3 hours.
            They are in Paris next Tuesday get going!

      • Side Character

        Speaking of emo, I went to a My Chemical Romance concert when they were touring for The Black Parade. They played the entire album (plus they played the hidden track “Blood” over the sound system), plus a few from Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge and I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love. And I’ll admit, it was pretty great.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Aw man, My Chemical Romance is one of the few I’ve never seen live.

          I’ve also still never caught Paramore headline. I had a ticket for their tour with Metric and Hellogoodbye, which I bought in such excitement that I forgot I had already RSVP’d to a wedding the same day. Such a great lineup for me, I was devastated. And I couldn’t even sell the ticket so I was out $75!

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Queen (1980): Sorry youngsters, if you didn’t see Freddie Mercury in his prime, you fucking missed out.

      U2 (1987): A surprise concert in Justin Herman Plaza announced about 3 hours before it actually started. All the songs from The Joshua Tree and it didn’t cost me anything except taking a zero on a midterm in Statistics or Oceanography or some crap. Plus a blurry split second of me and my awesome mullet is immortalized in Rattle and Hum.

      David Byrne (1992 and 2008): My longtime girlfriend dumped me the morning of the 92 David Byrne show, and in a gut-punched state I wandered the aisles of Cody’s Books before heading to the show (alone). I saw a book in the travel section turned out from the shelf called “Work in Japan” (remember, this was before this info was readily available on the internet). I read it cover to cover at the Greek Theatre and by the time the sun went down I knew I was heading to Japan. Six months later I was on a plane with two suitcases, a whopping $500 in my pocket, and no idea what would happen next.

      He was fully into his world music period, and while not all of the Talking Heads songs succeeded when arranged for a massive Latin orchestra, I really loved the experiment. On general principle I’d rather hear songs treated as living things rather than just the album cut replicated incredibly loudly.

      About six months before I moved back to the US, David Byrne played in Tokyo. A perfect bookend.

      Biggest missed opportunity: Prince (March 2016): “He’s playing solo, with just a piano, in a basketball arena? Ugh, that sounds super self-indulgent. No thanks, I’ll catch him next time, with a full band.”

      Sleigh Bells (next week): Just what the doctor ordered. I have JUST A BIT of angst and dread I need to flush out of my system.

      • andythesaint

        Freddie Mercury? Yeah, you win.

        And agreed about the value of trying new arrangements in live settings. It’s part of the magic of the experience.

      • Purplerockmatt

        christ yeah you win.

    • Kemper Boyd

      As much I try I’ll never be as cool as my mum who saw the Beatles in the early 1960s, the Stones twice, Jefferson Airplane, Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan, Emmylou Harris and many more.

      • Alycia Swift

        I saw Emmylou at the Newport Folk Fest a couple of years ago. Loved her.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Well jel, although I think her voice is going (which considering her age is expected).

          • Alycia Swift

            She just put an album out which I picked up yesterday with Rodney Crowell. Have not listened yet.

    • Side Character

      Most of mine are pretty recent. And I’ve got a fair few.

      Favourite concert this year: Savages, touring for Adore Life. I brought my friend along, even though he’s not as familiar with their music. I had heard great things about their live performances, and I must say, it did not disappoint in the slightest; in fact, it exceeded expectations. Jehnny Beth is such an amazing presence onstage, and her interactions with the crowd were great. The band was just all-around phenomenal. This could be an all-time favourite for me.

      I went to see Viet Cong (now called Preoccupations), when they were touring their first album, during the time that they were changing their name but hadn’t decided on a replacement name (I can’t remember what they called themselves at the show). But that show was awesome. They played nearly all of their first album, and ended with a 20 to 25-minute rendition of “Death”, which was fucking fantastic. Maybe my favourite concert last year (excluding festivals).

      Tanya Tagaq was a really fascinating experience. For those who don’t know, she is a throat singer from Nunavut. Her set was with a drummer and violinist, and from what I remember, her performance was mainly improvised. There were a lot of people who did not like it and left, which I can understand–it was at a festival, and I don’t think her set was meant for an outdoor venue in the late afternoon, plus her music is definitely not for everyone. But it was unlike anything I had ever seen or heard. She can (and did) go from soothing to full out death-metal growl in an instant. It was very physical, visceral performance. I enjoyed it, and I didn’t think I was going to like it as much as I did.

      Last year, I went to Sonic Boom where the Flaming Lips, Tenacious D, Eagles of Death Metal, and Alexisonfire all played on the same day. The day they performed, it was pouring all day–many bands acknowledged that everyone was a trooper for sticking it out in the bad weather–and I barely ate anything because my friend and I didn’t want to lose a good spot to see the bands. But it was worth it. Wayne Coyne brought the giant bubble out and there was so much confetti. Tenacious D was great, as were Eagles of Death Metal. But the highlight was saved for last, a reunited Alexisonfire as the closing act. Hearing them play brought me back to when I first saw them live, when they were touring for Crisis. And everyone–and I mean like everyone–knew the words for basically every single song they played. It was incredible.

      Big stage concerts worth noting: U2 (360 tour), Arcade Fire (Reflektor tour), Black Sabbath (reunion)

      Some acts I want to see (if I can): Godspeed You! Black Emperor (don’t care if they might be dicks, I would still go), Daft Punk, The Chemical Brothers, Broken Social Scene

      • sharculese

        I don’t think it was ever so much about them all being dicks as Efrim Mennuck being a dick and them letting him dictate the culture of the band. I’ve heard nothing but good things about Sophie Trudeau.

        But like I said, maybe he’s mellowed out, because when I saw ASMZ he was trying really hard to make it clear that he was there to have a good time.

        • Side Character

          I’m sure they’re not all dicks, I was just being a bit facetious. In any case, I hope I get to see them someday. I own just about everything they’ve released in some way, shape or form, so it’s a bit of an understatement to say I’d be pretty excited if I got to see them.

    • Alycia Swift

      This is a long post. I really enjoyed your concert discussion. I tend to like concerts in smaller venues although there’s not as much in NJ as in NY. I do go to the ones put out by local organizations that bring acts in that are in the folk/country genre a lot though I have not done so much recently. I found myself nodding along with John and Andy when they were saying things like its too much effort as you get older. I always think I want to go in to NY for a concert … and then its just too much effort … plus the long train ride (where you have to watch to make sure you do not miss your train), long car ride and/or expensive parking.

      My favorite concert was The Kennedy’s, a husband and wife singer-songwriter duo (and the hubby is a backup guitarist for Nancy Griffith) and The Nields, two sister singer-songwriters, with their band out of Massachusetts. Its my favorite because it was my first date with my now husband. I asked him out sort of in that I told him I was going and if he wanted to come, he could, but i was going anyway. He decided to come even though he had not heard their music.

      The best concert I ever saw was Rickie Lee Jones and Lyle Lovett (with his big band) back when I was in college at Waterloo Village. I had never heard Lovett. My friend was the opposite. We were both blown away. I went out and bought a lot of his stuff. He did the opposite and bought her stuff.

      Another favorite: I was at the first Lillith Fair in NJ (how I miss that) in the second row because I was first on line to get tickets because no one had heard of the fair yet. I went to all three but this was the only one where I was up close. The Indigo Girls and Tracy Chapman were the headliners (with Sara McLaughlin). They had to basically kick Tracy off the stage because she kept wanting to continue playing and since it was at the PNC Bank Center/aka the Garden State Arts Center at that time, the arena had a strict schedule to keep to get out out.

      Rusted Root was another favorite – this was right after they broke – maybe their second album.. Everyone was dancing so hard that the plaster from the ceiling at the State Theater started to fall on us. They had a great opening band called Bonepony that I’ve continued to listen to.

      I also saw Incubus at the PNC Bank Center but while I like the band, how I got there makes this one of my favorite concerts. I won tickets from a local radio station when I stopped in at an event. I had wanted tickets for the Sussex County Farm and Horse Show to take my nieces and nephews. Everyone else that was there wanted Incubus tickets. I won them. I would have traded them with someone to be nice – then some of the jackass guys started harassing me, judging a book by its cover. They assumed my type of music was boy bands like Nsync, that I could not know Incubus’ music and just started telling me to give them the tickets (and offering me nothing in return). I have not listened to a boy band since I was a little kid (and that was the Jackson 5). I hate that kind of music generally. So I took the tickets, called my hubby, took a half-day off from work the next day and went and enjoyed the concert. The funny thing was – it was only lawn seats.

      EDIT: I just thought of another: taking my dad to see BB King and Buddy Guy. Of course I had heard BB King even though I did not regularly listen to him but Buddy Guy’s playing was amazing. And I was with my dad.

      My worst concert – a band called Gong at the Knitting Factory in NY. My husband likes techno so we saw the description in a catalog so we went to check it out. We barely stayed 15 minutes after the band went on. The lead “singer” caterwauled and the music was terrible (and not techno).

      • andythesaint

        Loved this.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        That would have been the best post until the Gong part. Their drummer is a professional!

        • Alycia Swift

          My hubby and I had a discussion about past concerts last night and he agreed and said the bass player and drummer were great but the rest was still awful. Plus they were 2 hours late getting on stage due to a computer issue.

    • Mike Hirsch

      In 2009 I got to see Paul McCartney at Fenway. It was amazing. He played close to 40 songs, they did A Day In The Life. It was just incredible.
      Two years ago I saw Judas Priest on their Redeemer of Souls tour, and Rob Halford has not lost any of his vocal prowess.
      Let’s see…first concert was An Evening with John Denver when I was 5. Not much I remember about that now.
      I saw The Who in 97 or 98 on their Quadrophenia tour, which was a fantastic show.
      Reggie and the Full Effect played a free show at Newbury Comics when Under The Tray came out and they did Dwarf Invasion and I loved it.
      And various live performances of The Get Up Kids.

    • Mine is going to see Oasis on their Dig Out Your Soul tour, and being determined to go stand near the front, EVEN IF that meant abandoning the rest of my friends to do so, and even if that meant being pretty much the only girl in a large crowd of drunken 30-something men.

      I would probably be but a small trampled bloodsmear on the floor of Wembley stadium right now had it not been for the hot Italian stranger standing behind me, who gallantly spent the gig physically holding me upright every time the crowd got rough. Which was most of the time. But man, that was a great gig.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      My favorite show was NoMeansNo, a Canadian punk band. They’re typically a three-piece but when they play live they use two drummers (or that’s what they did when I saw them. They played three encores that night, the third of which was just the two drummers drumming and the other guys singing one of their songs. After the lyrics were over those two left the stage but the drummers kept on drumming. The roadies came out and started taking everything down starting with the guitar and bass stuff. Eventually they move to the drum kits and start taking them down piece by piece. Eventually we just have one brother tapping his drumsticks in front of the last remaining mic. A roadie comes out, throws a shirt over the mic, and they walk off. Awesome ending.

    • Violina23

      The last concert I went to was “They Might be Giants”, and the opening act was Jonathan Coulton — I THINK it was at Terminal 5 in NY. I was in nerd-rock heaven. But it was also post-kids so I was old and tired and wanted to sit down.

      Before that, the last thing I saw Journey in Saratoga Springs while on a family vacation to Lake George in upstate NY. Obviously no Steve Perry, but it was a lot of fun, and the opening act was Heart. I was pregnant at the time, and remember trying not to inhale TOO much pot smoke.

      Any other concerts I could talk about are classical or broadway stars, and yeah, I’ll show myself out. 😉

      • Alycia Swift

        If you like nerd rock, check out Kirby Krackle. But my hubby listens to Jonathan Coulton (more than I do but I do like him).

        • Violina23

          I LOVED the “Portal” games, and Jonathan Coulton wrote “Still Alive” which is hilarious, and that was enough to win my praise 😉

  • Vagabond

    So Emma, I’ve heard that the Cali secession movement is picking up steam again. If you guys go could you please take Portland with you? We’re clean, respectful, and fun loving, perfect roommates really!

    • Max_Jets

      The rest of us would be even more fucked if California seceded.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      We will let you join on two conditions:
      1. Don’t call it Cali.
      2. We get access to your water supply.

      • Vagabond

        Number two is easy. I can’t imagine that Washington or Oregon would have any problems at all with us taking water rights to the Columbia right? Number one… could be slightly more problematic.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Keep in mind you’ll have easier access to our agriculture, particularly the avocados.

      • Kent McK

        Please don’t leave us west coast. We need all hands on deck working against the reality tv troll. And if we lose California’s electoral votes, yikes, America is going to have a bad time.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Wanna create a large and distant federated states with London and Scotland. We are ready to get out of the UK.

    • Alycia Swift

      I already told my husband we were moving there if it succeeds. I can give up my licenses.

  • ExtraLargePelican

    Andy says he thinks Adam spilling the beans is the worst move of the season…

    What about Taylor guzzling the tribe stash? That’s a “0% Club”-worthy move.

    • andythesaint

      Decent point. I’m probably grading on a curve because I expect nothing out of Taylor.

      But still, within that convo, the dude stealing food had the upper hand. Bad look.

  • ExtraLargePelican

    The time to use the reward-stealer is before the challenge. Just tell everyone before the challenge that you’ll take the reward no matter who wins. Then people won’t try, and if they do win, the’ll take you along.
    The reason why it’s such a crappy reward is that you’ll be depriving people of what they think they deserve. If you can eliminate that expectation, it’d be less consequential.

    But using it is still a pretty bad idea.

    • sharculese

      I don’t think being the dude who constantly hangs over you that he can take your reward away is a good social move.

      • Kent McK

        Adam doesn’t really have the best social awareness, and he does seem to think constantly reminding people that he has screwed them over is a good way to bond, so maybe we get lucky and he does do something that dumb. I’m ready for the total Adam implosion next week, I have accepted that he is out of here very soon, so the more schadenfreude the better. I do like Adam by the way, but the writing is on the wall.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      The other downside (although it would be incredibly entertaining for us) is this: Can you imagine how pissed off Probst would be? It would be the SJDS coconut chop x 10.

      • the sky is falling

        Is it a breach of contract to not try at all in a challenge. Or would that pretty much be the same as Probst giving them the chance to drop out for food?

        I suppose you could just negotiate with Probst beforehand and say “Let’s not do challenge, I have this…”

        Jeff is usually open to bargaining outside of survivor norms.

        • Purplerockmatt

          phillip sat out a challenge and didnt try at all

          • the sky is falling

            I was thinking of a scenario where Adam announces before the challenge that he is going to use his reward, even though the clue says to present it after the challenge, making the challenge irrelevant for all players.

            EDIT: Sorry, Trump has stolen my reading comprehension ability, I just posed the exact scenario noted by Pelican above, my bad…

          • sharculese

            Technically all your contract says is you have to compete in every challenge. But as always, nothing is against the rules if it’s going to be good television.

            There’s maybe a level of non-competition where Probst stops and makes them start over, but if everyone is determined not to compete there’s not a lot that can be done. In Borneo the cast actually went on strike one challenge and refused to compete until they promised a better reward.

          • indescribable hat

            Really? Is that something I saw and forgot somehow or is this a juicy secret story?

          • sharculese

            It wasn’t on the show, but I don’t think it’s secret; I’m pretty sure we know about it because Mark Burnett talked about it in his book.

            It was the challenge where Kelly wins a trip to the “Survivor Cafe” and gets to watch the first five minutes of the show. Originally the prize was a single beer, to be drunk on the beach, probably warm, and the whole cast revolted and wouldn’t participate unless they were offered more.

          • indescribable hat

            Wow, that’s amazing. That does seem like a reward that was made up on the fly, now that I think about it.

  • Black Dynamite

    Bonus ranking from me today. This wasn’t answered in the mailbag this week but Barbara Anderson asked what the funniest season of Survivor was. I liked ths question enough to come up with a ranking of my top ten. Criteria is pretty simple. It’s the seasons that made me laugh the most

    Top Ten funniest seasons
    1. Micronesia
    2. Tocantins
    3. Cagayan
    4. Amazon
    5. Heroes vs Villains
    6. China
    7. Philippines
    8. Guatemala
    9. Cambodia
    10. Pearl Islands

    • MUST RESIST USING THE TROLL CARD…

      • Other Scott

        You still rank Cambodia top half though don’t you?

        • You got to realize that that doesn’t mean much because I haven’t seen half of the seasons.

          • Other Scott

            There’s a bunch of seasons I haven’t seen that I kind of fake my way through as well. Like Micronesia.

          • I sense a first time watch in our future.

          • Black Dynamite

            Along with….I can’t keep bringing it up. You already know.

          • Cambodia?

          • Black Dynamite

            No!! You mentioned “first time watch.” That made me think about you and Palau.

          • #justtrolling

          • Black Dynamite

            Well done.

          • Thank you.

          • Other Scott

            Oh that sounds fun! We must plan a time.

          • It will probably during season 34 because I was be marathoning the rest of 27 through 32 before 34 airs with my friend.

      • sharculese

        We get troll cards? I used to have a race card (it was just an index card I wrote “race card” on) but I lost it.

        • I have a Cambodia troll card.

        • Hornacek

          “If pointing out flaws in popular seasons is playing the ‘troll card’, then deal me in.”

    • Sadie

      No Exile Island?!

      • Black Dynamite

        Also funny but just missed the cut.

      • Wait, he didn’t include Panama?

        • Black Dynamite

          It got pushed out by Cambodia.

          • I was about ready to fly to New York just to yell out at you for that comment.

          • Black Dynamite

            Well now I feel like I missed out on the chance to meet the one and only Barbara Anderson. Let’s try this again. Cambodia is the greatest.

          • It’s too late now.

          • Black Dynamite

            I’ll even buy the ticket. *Looks up flight prices for Missouri to New York*

            Yeah, it’s too late now.

          • How much is it? 500 dollars one way?

          • Black Dynamite

            It’s actually not that bad. Supposedly it’s 250, assuming you can leave from St. Louis

          • Unfortunately, I live four hour away from the STL.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Right with you from #1-6 (I haven’t seen Micronesia yet but I’ll take your word for it). I think there’s some grade inflation for Philippines and Cambodia because they were great seasons overall. I’d replace them with Panama and Gabon (opposite of grade inflation). In fact Gabon could go as high as #4. While I’m at it I would replace Guatemala (at #10) with Vanuatu although it’s an extremely close call.

      • Black Dynamite

        I see what you’re saying with grade inflation. It’s probably easier to remember the funny moments of those seasons because I like to think about those seasons.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Yeah, and there are different kinds of funny. Gabon is most definitely cringe comedy, like Veep or the British The Office.

      • Philippines is a shockingly funny season. The first two episodes are full of the cringe comedy especially the Cookies tribal. Abi-Maria may be the best comic villain the show has ever seen which elevates Philippines in my opinion.

    • Max_Jets

      I don’t actually think Cambodia is very funny, outside of Abi Maria. 1-6 without Amazon would probably be close to my top 5, with Panama, Kaoh Rong, San Juan Del Sur, and Pearl Islands being pretty high up too. Survivor’s comedic value is undersold.

    • I want to be bothered by China being so low, but I can’t really argue with your top 5 (although I haven’t actually seen Amazon). If anything, I might put China above HvV, because HvV has Courtney but China has more Courtney.

      • Black Dynamite

        But HvV has Courtney and Sandra.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        The proper amount of Courtney is always more Courtney.

  • sharculese

    Alec explained in exit interviews that “meat collector” was a reference to the fact that he’s a sport hunter. It doesn’t make the line any less funny, but it’s at least connected to reality.

    • Sadie

      I always assumed he was trying to say “meat connoisseur” but couldn’t remember that word.

      Honestly, good at mason jars and canning is endlessly ridiculous.

  • Vagabond

    Here’s a question for everyone. Whom (if anyone) is running the game at this point? And if not an individual, then what sub alliance is in the dominant position after the first post merge vote?

    • Black Dynamite

      I really like the position David is in right now. He’s close with Ken and Jessica. I think Chris genuinely likes him as an alliance partner, not just a partnership out of necessity. That helps bring in Bret and Sunday. He is becoming closer with Zeke. I can see him and Hannah vibing really well. Also, he doesn’t seem to be talked about as a big threat in this group. He has an idol as well.

      • gouis

        Yeah I think it’s the David-Zeke-Ken-Jessica group. I would put Chris on there but he’s closer to Bret and Sunday so I consider them a trio.

      • Violina23

        I tend to agree. I think it’s very important to note that he has virtually NO bad blood with any millennials. And I don’t think any GenExers are holding grudges against him at this point, post-merge.

    • andythesaint

      Good question. I think the answer, legitimately, is no one. And that’s kind of exciting.

      Which group is positioning themselves to be in the best spot? I’d say it’s David/Zeke/Ken/Jessica. But I’m not even fully sure they ARE a group yet.

      • Vagabond

        This is kind of where I land. I think there’s still plenty of time for groups to reconfigure over the next two votes but these four seem to have positioned themselves the best. I’m still loving Ken but I just don’t think he has the killer instinct to make it to FTC. David is probably in the primo spot but Zeke is also a dark horse contender, especially given his edit. Unfortunately I think we could be in for a long string of boring episodes post merge as the large/fit men get voted out one by one, and there are a lot of them.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I’ve been completely wrong so far, but I think DoucheForce gets taken out (Will possibly survives as a harmless number), and then either the GenXers band together and Pagong the Millennials, or Zeke leverages his connections with Chris and David to reconfigure the alliances.

    • Mike Hirsch

      I think David has a good “man behind the curtain” role going on, and he’s also managed to curb his paranoia immensely while at the same time fueling paranoia in others in a way that isn’t blowing back onto him.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      I brought this up in the live blog thread, but this cast is very unusual for how much parity it has–it doesn’t seem like anyone is joining the pantheon of great first-time players, but at the same time nobody is actively terrible (either at the game or at life) and nobody is drawing dead IMO. If it weren’t for purple edits, I would say everyone has a very plausible path to FTC (some more plausible than others, of course).

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        eh, Hannah and Sunday are drawing dead if not close. It’d be a different case if there was a clear villain among the bunch, but there isn’t and they’re just sort of around.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I can’t argue but at least they’re playing the game in their own manner and aren’t just dead fishes. Plus I watched Australian Survivor so I’m hesitant to write anybody off just yet. And I really like that nobody seemed to be intentionally cast to be the villain.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Yeah Australian Survivor fucked with Goat meter.

          • I didn’t watch Australian Survivor, but I did follow along a little on the comment threads here. I read the first few and it seemed like people were really enjoying it, but then I went back to school and didn’t really have any time to read through them. I looked at the finale thread to see how it ended, and all of a sudden people seemed to describe it as a bigger shitshow than Gabon. What exactly happened?

          • sharculese

            They did a horrible swap from 3 tribes to 2 where the winners of a challenge got to pick the people from the other tribes the people they wanted. So naturally they took all the challenge beasts (they already had both of the puzzle solvers.)

            So naturally, they won every fucking challenge up to the merge, then got really sanctimonious about the game being about honor and loyalty and sticking together and anyone who strayed from that had to be punished.

            Then, when they had no options but to cannibalize themselves, the obvious power couple got really indignant about anyone ever pointing out they were a power couple and so we got a second round of sanctimony.

          • So, a bunch of Andrew Savages took over Survivor: Fiji?

          • Are you just trying to make Matt upset?

          • sharculese

            That’s not inaccurate.

          • Kemper Boyd

            So, there was a really bad tribe swap that they called the merge where they went from 3 tribes to 2. But they did by the winner of a reward challenge won the chance to handpick their chosen tribe. So it was stacked, it then didn’t lose an immunity challenge until the real merge, at the real merge the dominant alliance picked off all but one of the other side. Some of them talked about “good people vs bad people” the bad people being anyone who tried to play the game. Somehow due to bad strategic play by some, no strategic play by others the final 3 was 2 people who thought they were the good people and the last member of the loser tribe. The person we thought was the goatiest goat to goat won the final immunity, took a man that the jury didn’t like because he was a pompous moralistic arsehole about everything he did and she won the game.

          • sharculese

            To be fair, she did a genuinely good job at FTC. I think they went for begrudginly picking her over Lee to actually being happy with her win.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Yes she did. She convinced a few people who were voting for her rather than Lee based on them not liking Lee’s game to voting for her because they respected her resilience. But I stand by my basic summation.

          • sharculese

            I can get the Hannah/Kristie comparison (actually Kristie is probably a good comparison for Hannah just in general) but not Sunday. In retrospect we got the exact story of how Kristie won, by being UTR and having a good relationship with Lee, we just didn’t understand it because the idea of Kristie as a winner was so implausible, given that she was so fucking crazy. Seriously, do you have any idea how many of the recaps include a place where we get to a Kristie scene and I ask “why are we being shown this. What is the point?” It’s a lot.

            Sunday’s just not on the show. It’s different.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I certainly don’t see a path for Sunday to win, but between Kaoh Rong, Australian Survivor, and well, you know, I’ve given up on predicting the winner and now I think only in terms of who makes FTC. And of course Sunday has a clear shot at that.

            And I stand by my assertion that broadly speaking, this cast clusters around the center of the bell curve more than most. David is no Cochran and Hannah is no Aubry, but also Taylor is no Alec Christie and Sunday is no Joe Del Campo.

        • Max_Jets

          I actually think Hannah is doing a great job of turning her game around. Zeke seems to trust her the most of the millenials, she appears to have a good relationship with David, and she has a cute secret scene that shows her and Ken becoming friends. She has found her people!

          • Violina23

            I can see Hannah making it to final 6 or maybe final 5, but not much further.

      • Other Scott

        I think Taylor is much worse at the game than Will Simms, who *as a player* is pretty inoffensibly mediocre.

        • sharculese

          If it weren’t for his outburst against Shirin, I think it’s possible Will beats any other two members of the axis of evil.

          Also, fun fact: Because it’s the only image on the page, the picture that comes up when you search wikipedia for World’s Apart is of Tyler being hoisted into the air by his college team. And you know he put that there himself.

  • Mike Hirsch

    I think this advantage would be worth using only in a scenario where Rodney was on the season again, somehow finally won a reward, and in the midst of his emotional breakdown about how all he had ever wanted on this game was to win some food, and it’s his birthday again, right then, you’d be like, “Yeah, that’s great and all, but Jeff? I’m stealing this reward from him.”

    • andythesaint

      Related but less funny, I was going to say on the podcast that another scenario is if you’re in a Mike Holloway situation and it’s you against everyone and they all resent you anyway, then go ahead and steal the reward. They’re not going to be MORE pissed at your or MORE determined to beat you.

      • sharculese

        I was gonna say about your suggestion that you pick someone on the bottom and just say “I don’t want you to get stronger,” – that’s what Denise said when she picked Todd and Courtney to go with her on reward over Peih-Gee. It probably didn’t matter because Denise was drawing dead at that point anyway, but dicking someone out of reward who you’re confident is gonna be on the jury has its risks.

        • Black Dynamite

          I’m surprised Peih-Gee didn’t murder Denise in that moment. God, I’ve rarely seen someone so visibly upset about not getting a reward.

          • sharculese

            I think it was the moment she realized that no cracks were forming in the majority and it was only a question of how long until she got voted out.

      • Mike Hirsch

        With the exception of Dan.

        • andythesaint

          No real risk there then. He can be as motivated as he likes.

      • Hornacek

        This advantage seems like it was deliberately intended so that it would be used by someone who is in the minority alliance on the tribe, or is on their own and everyone is against them. It just doesn’t make sense that someone in the majority alliance would want to use it.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      I would have had a stroke if that had happened.

  • Sadie

    The way to use this advantage:

    1) cozy up to some idiot… I don’t know… Maybe someone good af mason jars?

    2) fold up the note and stick it at the bottom of the jar under the pretzels.

    3) Let the idiot find it and use it (or try and use it) to steal someone’s reward.

    Just sit back and enjoy.

    • Black Dynamite

      I really thought Adam was just going to give Taylor that shitty advantage as a way to bond with him.

      • sharculese

        It’s a good idea on paper, but only a complete idiot would fall for a move that transparent.

        So, in conclusion, yeah, that’s what Adam should have done.

    • Hornacek

      He should have re-hid it, brought Taylor over and told him that the two of them should look for an idol, and let Taylor find it.

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    Can we ask mailbag questions for next week? I’m going to anyway because I’ll forget it otherwise. Which professional athletes should Survivor try to cast next? I want to watch A.J. Pierzynski be evil Varner

    • Black Dynamite

      I would greatly enjoy Randy Moss on the show, though I doubt he’ll ever do it.

    • andythesaint

      It’s not a bad idea to ask them now. Some questions require longer thought.

      • sharculese

        Since we’re apparently doing half music talk now, what cover most exceeds the original?

        • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

          I don’t know which song it is, but the cover was by Guns & Roses

        • Kemper Boyd

          Jeff Buckley’s Hallelujah (RIP both him and Leonard)
          Anything Linda Ronstadt ever did (but definitely Willin)
          Also Steve Earle – Willin

          • sharculese

            “Jeff Buckley’s Hallelujah (RIP both him and Leonard)”

            This is the wrongest you’ve ever been, but my answers are going to horrify everyone anyway, so whatever.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Buckley’s Hallelujah is a sublime song, but personally I believe almost all of Cohen’s music is improved by someone else singing it. The whole concert album of people singing his song in celebration of him is fantastic and could be on this list,

          • andythesaint

            I knew you wouldn’t agree. But… I do. Buckley all the way, even if it’s cliche now.

            And I don’t know if “better” is the right descriptor, but Johnny Cash’s “Hurt” is so definitive. Both are devastating in such unique and different ways. It really illustrates the power of music that the same song can be so personal in different hands.

          • Purplerockmatt

            look a good cover has to find something different from the original and Cash’s Hurt absolutely finds that

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I’ve been thinking the same thing, that a really great cover has to reinterpret the original. However, sometimes Artist A writes a song that is so much in Artist B’s wheelhouse that they can play it basically straight and crush it.

            Examples:
            Sinead O’Connor–Nothing Compares 2 U
            The Sundays–Wild Horses
            No Doubt–It’s My Life

          • Purplerockmatt

            this also applies to basically all versions of Hallelujah

          • sharculese

            But those aren’t reinterpretations, they’re just repetitions of what John Cale did.

          • Purplerockmatt

            which is still a cover version…

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Oh! Speaking of covers that go the other direction and are brilliant because they stick to the original, it’s positively spooky how much Faye Wong’s version of Dreams sounds like the original, but in Cantonese.

          • andythesaint

            Nothing Compares is a good pick.

          • StormofCuteness

            I’m up voting Hurt, btw. I love the original Hallelujah and also Kd Lang’s version more than Buckley’s but they all get me in the feels.

          • StormofCuteness

            I was going to bring up Leonard Cohen. So many amazing covers of his work. I’m going to miss him so much.

          • indescribable hat

            My Linda Ronstadt pick would be Poor, Poor Pitiful Me.

          • Kemper Boyd

            SOLID PICK. There is not a bad pick to be fair.

        • Purplerockmatt

          All Along the Watchtower forever and always

        • Black Dynamite

          I’m not sure about most exceeding the original but “Killing Me Softly” by Fugees is one of my favorite songs ever.

          • sharculese

            This is a very good answer.

        • Purplerockmatt

          oh Tainted Love is one of the best covers ever

          • Kemper Boyd

            the original is still superb but yeah 100%.

        • Kemper Boyd
          • Purplerockmatt

            glad to see someone else say tainted love

        • sharculese

          For the record my answers are Xiu Xiu’s cover of Ceremony and Red House Painters doing I Am a Rock.

          Also, does Patti Smith’s version of Gloria count as a cover?

          • andythesaint

            Gloria is a tough one to rule on.

        • Purplerockmatt

          oh god I forgot the obvious answer and we should all be ashamed of forgetting it considering where we all started. It is GWAR doing Carry On My Wayward Son, duh!

          • sharculese

            Have I told you my first amendment professor’s GWAR story?

          • Purplerockmatt

            no but now you must

          • sharculese

            So he was the long-time head of the ACLU of Georgia who did this one night class as a favor to the school.

            One of the first cases he gets when he’s hired by the ACLU is representing GWAR in a 1A suit. They were supposed to perform in Athens but the city shut it down under an obscure obscenity law. They had clearly fucked up, knew what they did was unconstitutional, and just wanted to settle. Basically his job was to negotiate how that settlement went. Which lead to this conversation-

            Him: So you probably need to give this money to charity. Do you have any in mind?

            Dave Brockie: Milk cartons!

            Him: What?

            Brockie: You know, the children on the milk cartons.

            Him: Oh, the Center for Missing and Exploited Children. That’s a good idea.

            Brockie: Yeah, we think that shit is hilarious.

            Then they held a press conference where they dumped a pig fetus on the ground and stomped on it to symbolize their victory.

            My professor was actually a huge fan of theirs and got years of backstage passes out of it.

          • Purplerockmatt

            that is the best

          • sharculese

            One of the class requirements was you had to do a mock oral argument with another student based on a real case in Georgia 1A law. This one dude and I looked at the list and both immediately asked for the GWAR case. He was nice enough to let me be on the GWAR side.

          • Purplerockmatt

            i hoped you dropped a pig fetus on the ground when you were done

          • sharculese

            He didn’t tell us about that part until afterwards. But a friend of mine was involved in a local artist’s colony called the Goat Farm, and we did joke about letting one of the goats loose in the building.

          • Alycia Swift

            I wish I had gone to your law school. But I went at night and that’s just not the same.

          • sharculese

            I got lucky. I went to Georgia State, who are leaders in the country for the ideas that quality legal education doesn’t have to mean jacking up prices or sacrificing flexibility for working professionals. So I’m a little bit spoiled as to what going to law school looks like, but I recognize that wasn’t everyone’s experience.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            How often does this happen to you?

          • Purplerockmatt

            all the time. maybe i would be good at survivor after all?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Holy shit! I did this to him last week about Pearl Jam.

          • Alycia Swift

            This is the first time I heard this. And no. Not as good as the original.

            However, Disturb’s Sound of Silence, while not as good as the original, is really good.

        • Kemper Boyd

          now for 4 youtube videos of Linda Ronstadt being the best voice of her generation. She didn’t write which is why she cannot be seen as a better all round artist than Joni Mitchell, Dolly Parton, Emmylou Harris or even Bonnie Raitt but the voice, oh the voice.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAWS8BLFbPs

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJHcD0kHTGk&spfreload=10

          Bonus Bonnie Raitt singing Angel from Montgomery which I was fortunately enough to get to experience live this year and I tell you it was hair raising. I was crying by the end.

          • Sadie

            Yes to all of this.

            I’m all about the Linda Ronstadt love:

            https://youtu.be/Obm1ex9VqFk

          • Kemper Boyd

            I’m so sad she has Parkinson’s and can no longer sing. I’d have loved to see her live. (like my mother did).

          • StormofCuteness

            I am so jealous! Seeing Bonnie sing Angel is a life goal, and it’s my 2nd favorite song. I grew up with those Ronstadt albums and know them by heart.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I went with my mum as a birthday present. It was amazing! I cried a bit.

          • StormofCuteness

            I’d be awash in happy sad tears for sure!

          • Alycia Swift

            I think Ann Wilson gives her a run for her money as best voice.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          I can’t believe I’m the first to say Nirvana’s Unplugged cover of “Man Who Sold The World”.

          Also on a different note, I feel like some respect should be paid to Whitney Houston’s “I Will Always Love You”.

          • Purplerockmatt

            the problem with that nirvana pick is that while i heard it first, the david bowie version is better.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            meh

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            But the cover can’t “most exceed” the original if the original sets the bar too high. The first answer that popped into my head was the Red Hot Chili Peppers’ cover of Higher Ground, but that’s obviously wrong for that reason.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I love that cover but yeah it doesn’t match the original let alone exceed by a great degree

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Because it’s the Red Hot Chili Peppers? That does make it tough.

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            I never remember that I Will Always Love You was Dolly’s song

          • andythesaint

            Yeah, both originals were better.

          • Diego Armando

            Hurt

          • Alycia Swift

            I like Dolly’s version better myself.

          • andythesaint

            Same. Which isn’t a knock on Whitney’s, which might be the best demonstration of the power of her voice and singular talent. But Dolly’s is so personal.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I think All Along the Watchtower might be the correct answer, and there have already been a bunch of pretty good answers, but I’ll throw Johnny Cash’s Personal Jesus and Run-DMC’s Walk This Way into the mix.

          • sharculese

            I’m not sure Walk This Way counts, since Steven Tyler and Joe Perry guested on it.

            As for Personal Jesus, I can’t go along. Cash’s version is great, but I reject the idea that any part of Violator can be improved upon.

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            I’d argue it’s moot because the original “Walk This Way” is better

        • sharculese

          Oh fuck, I forgot, this is an obscure one, but I wanna put in a pitch for The Mountain Goats cover of “Sometimes I Still Feel the Bruise.”

          I love the shit out of Robert Ratten, “Let’s Kiss and Make Up” may be one of my favorite songs ever, but John Darnielle just knocks it out of the park. Trading Wrattten’s wistful vocals for Darnielle’s pained yawp, the downtempo synths for jangly guitars, and drum machines for frenetic live fills, just pushes the ache to 11.

        • Yo Ho

          “Respect” by Aretha Franklin.

          • StormofCuteness

            Is this a cover or just a song written in the Brill Bldg for her?

          • Yo Ho

            Otis Redding wrote it and released it first.

        • Alycia Swift

          Well I don’t know if it exceeds the originals but the Indigo Girls versions of Tangled Up in Blue and Down By the River are fantastic.

          • Purplerockmatt

            they also have a good cover of Romeo and Juliet, but it isn’t as good as the Dire Straits version

          • Alycia Swift

            I did not know that was a cover.

          • Purplerockmatt

            oh it is and the original is honestly one of my favorite songs ever

          • Alycia Swift

            I’ll have to check that out.

          • Purplerockmatt

            they are pretty different, the indigo girls is acoustic and kinda raw, but the dire straights has a great instrumental backing and the singing has a different low key mournful quality (and the switch from male singer to female changes the inflection of the song which is why the indigo girls one is a good cover)

        • andythesaint

          I really dig Sonic Youth’s cover of “Superstar” by The Carpenters.

          Yes, I discovered it from Juno.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Juno? The god of Canada?

          • Alycia Swift

            I have that whole album. I think on tape.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Giant Sand’s cover of PJ Harvey’s “Plants and Rags”. I love that song.

        • Max_Jets

          Just about any Pet Shop Boys cover, but specifically Always On My Mind and Where the Streets Have No Name

        • andythesaint

          Every piano player cover of 90s alt rock songs on West World

        • Alycia Swift

          Not exceed but as good as – Eddie Vedder doing Victoria Williams’ Crazy Mary.

        • Side Character

          A bit late, but I’ll throw a few out there:

          Natalie Imbruglia – “Torn”
          Crystal Castles ft. Robert Smith – “Not in Love”
          Yo La Tengo – “You Can Have It All”
          ETA: The Beatles – “Twist and Shout”

        • Hornacek

          This is a discussion my friends and I seem to have every 3-4 months. And each time we always forget that we’ve talked about it before.

          Tainted Love – Soft Cell
          Funky Town – Pseudo Echo
          I Will Survive – Cake
          Always On My Mind – Pet Shop Boys
          Proud Mary – Ike and Tina Turner
          Every Time You Go Away – Paul Young
          Blinded by the Light – Manfred Man
          Georgia on my Mind – Ray Charles
          Venus – Bananarama
          Red Red Wine – UB40
          Hazy Shade of Winter – Bangles
          Landslide – Dixie Chicks
          Smooth Criminal – Alien Ant Farm

          And pretty much anything by the Commitments.

        • indescribable hat

          I’m partial to Joey Ramone’s version of What a Wonderful World myself.

      • sharculese

        This isn’t a question, more of a ramble, but I thought I would post it here because I’ve been thinking a lot tonight about Jay’s move against Michaela and I wanted to comment to someone who would appreciate it that it was definitely the right move.

        The thing I keep coming back to is that it’s good because Michaela was too predictable, but in ways that Jay couldn’t predict would benefit him. Unless you’ve got Kim Spradlin/Tom Westman level charisma, Survivor is mostly about responding to how the game shifts beneath your feet. It’s the reason we praise Rob C. – he was willing and able to respond to every shift in the game.

        That means having people in the game who are flexible. Michaela made it obvious that she was not flexible, She was always going to be an immovable object, so removing that object at the easiest opportunity was probably best.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Fuck A.J. Pierzynski.

      • Diego Armando

        Consistently voted the biggest asshole in baseball, which is saying something.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Upvote x 100. Just watch, he’s probably going to be HHS secretary.

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        That’s the spirit!

        Also, this type of reaction is why they should cast him. He’s a dick, but not a racist disk (e.g. Rocker). Unless your beef with him is about his time with the Giants. Then I’m sorry.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          It can be two things. But his time with the Giants certainly doesn’t help; he kicked a trainer in the groin!

          • Purplerockmatt

            oh he is well known as just the biggest dick in baseball while he played. I remember him being a total ass on the White Sox

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            Funny, I remember him being a real treasure (but I’m from Chicago). I will say that I once had a conversation with someone who thought that Buehrle didn’t do enough to get his number retired but thought AJ deserves a statue on the concourse

          • Purplerockmatt

            When I lived in Chicago people loved him because of the World Series but I also remember them being “oh he is the biggest dick in baseball, he is just ours”

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I know.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Ozzie Guillen once said of him “If you play against him, you hate him. If you play with him, you hate him a little less.” Btw I miss Ozzie, he was a hilarious, cranky old baseball man

      • Diego Armando

        I remember seeing my aunt about six months before she died. She was a die hard sports fan (mostly the Red Wings and Tigers) and she was watching a Tigers/White Sox game. She knew pretty much everything about both teams. She telling us about the players and when I asked about A.J. she responded “That guy is a prick”.

        • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

          A.J. Pierzynski: Helping to Create Memories and Family Bonds

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Your aunt was right.

          • Diego Armando

            Damn right she was. I miss her.

    • andythesaint

      Oh hey, if people want to upvote questions they’re also interested in, that could help them make air.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      As much as I hate him, Johnny Damon. I would like to see his comeuppance.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Was there widespread hatred of Damon? I don’t remember any. Mostly I was amused by how he went from Golden Boy to Unfrozen Caveman Outfielder over the course of his career.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          He was my favorite player when the Red Sox won the World Series in 2004. Then he said he would never sign with the Yankees. The very next day he signed with the Yankees. He is DEAD to me.

  • Diego Armando

    I think next week we are going to see an idol flush. David and/or Zeke are going to want Jay gone and will likely orchestrate a vote split and will send the non-Jay target home. I say that person will be Will.

    • andythesaint

      It would be a good time to do it. Loyalty has been tested and proven, and one person flipping wouldn’t break it (since they could only force 4-4-4).

  • Vagabond

    Just want to say thanks to everyone the other day for all your kind comments regarding our current national waking nightmare. And thanks also to Andy and John for creating this place which has turned into a legitimate community and something much more than a simple reality tv podcast. I think we’re all going to be ok. At times like this I’m comforted by my favorite Max Planck quote, “science advances one funeral at a time”. I like to think that rule goes double for society. Our people will triumph in the end, if for no other reason than we’ll live long enough to one day dance on those (as sharculese called them) trashfuckers graves.

    Much love to all of you.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I want to add to this. Thank you guys for creating a space for us to develop relationships with people that feel very real and important. I’ve never considered going to the States to see my friends I knew in real life but I am considering a trip over for a KIA and to meet a few of you great people!

      • Alycia Swift

        That would be great! I live close enough to Ny but i can never quite get it together.

      • StormofCuteness

        Psst, I guess I’m not a biggest fan, but I have no clue what a KIA is…fan meet up in NYC?

        • Max_Jets

          Know It Alls on Rob C’s podcast (RHAP). Rob and Stephen Fishbach recap after every episode. They do live shows every once in a while.

          • StormofCuteness

            Ah, I guess may just have to start getting more into podcasts it seems.

          • Violina23

            Definitely check it out. They do exit interviews, and they do recaps with former players from time to time, which can be fun.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Do you listen to Rob Cestanino’s podcasts (RHAP)? he does a show straight after each episode with Stephen Fishbach called Survivor Know It Alls, and every season they do a live show in NY and sometimes in LA.

          • StormofCuteness

            I haven’t, but I live in LA county so I have no excuse!

          • Purple Rock Emma

            In your defense, he’s only done one LA show so far.

    • Violina23

      Group Hug!

  • Other Scott

    I’m not going to be too hard on Adam for the “not realizing that the reward was actually horrible” thing because so much of his material seems to very clearly him giving production what they want to hear, and he probably just assumed they wanted to hear how awesome their reward was, even in his conversation with Taylor.

    That’s starting to drive me nuts by the way, you can give production material without making it so plain, just look at the great confessionalists like Michaela, or Penner, or Courtney (though I guess Courtney didn’t give production that much of what they wanted).

    • sharculese

      Seriously, were I on Survivor, I would totally just be like “do you wanna do a bunch of takes where I say random shit and you pick the parts that are most useful? I’m not concerned about lying; I’m claiming to make dog food for a living for basically no reason.”

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I’ve often thought that if I were on Survivor, I’d be playing the UTR game harder than Cowboy Rick until after the merge, so I’d have to more than make up for it with confessionals.

        • sharculese

          39 days is about the upper limit of my eccentricities shifting from fascinating to eye-rolling, so, weirdly enough, I think I’d actually have a pretty good social game. People want to know what the fuck is up with me and why I’m like this.

          I know I’m basically describing Brandon Hantz’s game in South Pacific without the creepiness or the naivete, but hey, apparently he came close to winning.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I’m no Lynne Spillman, but I’m pretty sure “Brandon Hantz” is not a great thing to put on the “Survivor I’m most like:” line.

          • Other Scott

            Hey, they brought him back! Can’t be a bad thing.

        • Alycia Swift

          I’d probably be a lot like Hannah. I would not be good at the physical aspects but would do ok on puzzles.

          • corndogshuffle

            I’d be a lot like Fishbach, at least in terms of personality. Strategically I don’t know where I’d fall.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Whoa, I finally listened to the podcast and John’s critique of what kind of Survivor he’d be really hit home. I’ve always fancied myself a male Denise Stapley, but her whole career involves feigning interest in whiny crazy peoplelistening empathically to people and helping them solve some of life’s thorniest problems. Like John, I’ve arranged my work life so that I almost never actually have to talk to people, and I really like it that way.

          • Alycia Swift

            I realized my career choice requires that too but in a different way than Denise. And sometimes its been knocked out of me.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        I would have a lot of questions for someone who made dog food.

        • sharculese

          I would have answers. I’ve thought this through.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            It’s just that I’ve never known anyone that made dog food. How do you know that the food tastes like beef? What’s the grossest part of the animal that you use? If you said you were an accountant I would have no questions for you.

          • Nor should you.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I would tell everyone I was a high school student.

          • sharculese

            The whole point of the dog food lie is to lead people down that rabbit hole. I want to see how much bullshit I can spin. I spend half my time around people who work with dogs. I can fake it. So to answer your questions:

            We’re not trying to make it taste like beef. They’re dogs. Taste is not the issue. They will eat cat shit if you don’t stop them.

            We’re a small startup that teams with local farmers to use scrap meat to produce healthy protein-rich blends based on the best available science in an environmentally friendly manner. We’re not a company for the average dog owner. We’re targeting the kind of wealth 20 and 30-somethings who call themselves dog parents and want to believe they’re giving their pet the best care money can buy while justifying their decisions ecologically. We don’t care how healthy kangaroo is, we are not shipping in kangaroo meat.

            Do you have more questions? I have more answers.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Not so much after the long-winded second answer.

          • sharculese

            Hey, you were the one who didn’t believe I had a backstory.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            And it obviously works. You probably even have an opinion on the Purina scare in the 90s.

          • Your ability and desire to find out more about others rivals my own.

          • Alycia Swift

            I love it.

          • Hornacek

            “What’s the deal with dog food? The label says ‘Improved Taste’. How do they know?”

      • Alycia Swift

        If I were on, I’d just just say legal secretary. While they are generally goddesses to lawyers if they are good, I don’t think it would be threatening to others (being an attorney is not a positive thing on survivor but being their staff?)

        • Purplerockmatt

          i used to work as a paralegal so i could definitely fake that easy

          • Alycia Swift

            I was a legal secretary/paralegal for 17 years before finally getting the courage to go to school.

  • Black Dynamite

    Speaking of music, A Tribe Called Quest’s new album “We Got it from Here…Thank You 4 Your Service” came our today. I’ve been listening to that all day. I’ve also been listening to “Nightride” by Tinashe and “Malibu” by Anderson .Paak.

    I’m curious what others are listening to right now.

    • andythesaint

      Leonard Cohen.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I just fell into a deep Linda Ronstadt hole that you can witness beginning in the below comments. But other than that I live too close to work to get through more than 2 podcasts today. So little music.

    • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

      They’re not on repeat, but Madeon and Porter Robinson (both of whom I like) collabed on “Shelter” and Queen just released an album of lost recordings (I think that’s the album). The album overall is good (it’s Queen), but the redone version of “We Will Rock You” is so much better than the original, which is unlistenable outside of a stadium context

    • sharculese

      Deja Entendu

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Spotify’s “Relax and Unwind” playlist because I needed it.

    • Alycia Swift

      Too many podcasts.

      I just bought the new KT Tunstall but haven’t had a chance to listen.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      I just turned off King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard.

    • Mike Hirsch

      I’ve been on an Iron Maiden kick since Wednesday morning. It’s helped my mood considerably. I need to listen to the new Tribe.

    • I listened to the new Tribe today. It has some good tracks, but hearing Busta with them filled me with joy.

    • Oh, I’ve also been listening to lots of Outkast. Hearing Elevators at the end of Atlanta took me back (that was a perfect song to end the season on).

    • Alycia Swift

      I went to a record show yesterday. I pretty much go every month and have been doing so since the mid 90s. This show has gone from about 70 percent CDs, 20 percent videos and other music related items and 10 percent vinyl to about 65 percent vinyl with other stuff being split accordingly.

      Thought everyone woud enjoy a comment I overheard from one of the three women there as customers. this woman was standing next to me and was probably in her mid50s. She stated that she had heard the kids were listening to cassettes again and she hoped it wasn’t true because she did not want her childhood ruined.

      This reminded me of Survivor this season.

    • Violina23

      If you REALLY want to know, I listen to a lot of Broadway & classical music in my [very small amount of] free time. I’m not sure there will be many people to share in that conversation with me. Maybe the small crowd that thinks Broadway is cool right now because of Hamilton? (Which I could still discuss because Hamilton is awesome — it’s like the RENT that won’t seem horribly horribly dated in 10 years)

      • Alycia Swift

        I personally love Broadway myself and actually have not heard Hamilton though – I’ll get around to it. I found a used Guys N Dolls with Nathan Lane when I went to the record show for $1 so I bought it.

        • Violina23

          Hamilton is getting [borderline-too much] hype, but it really is an amazing feat. Even if you don’t like operatic-style musicals (where pretty much EVERYTHING is sung), there is so much to take in from the lyrics and the story (surprisingly historically accurate, with a few exceptions and time-line crunching).

          Personally, I’m not a huge fan of hip-hop/rap, but
          a) I got used to it
          b) There are some AMAZING songs and melodies (my favorites happen to be the Aaron Burr songs, who is written as a somewhat tragic – but sympathetic, character)
          c) The lyrics are SOOOO clever and witty.

          I’d recommend listening to a few songs (My suggestions would be the opening number “Alexander Hamilton”, “My Shot”, and “The Room Where it Happens” to get a good feel)

          • I’m not into musicals generally, but I did try listening to the soundtrack since I like hip hop and history. My super hot take on it was, “This is fine.”

          • Violina23

            That was my initial reaction, but it improved in subsequent listens when I had a better handle of what was actually happening. (And caught more of the lyrics).

            Right now my kids are kinda obsessed. It’s led to interesting questions about what the federal treasury is, how elections work, and some more timely questions like “Why are all the presidents boys?”

            Although now I’m slightly terrified that she’s going to go to school and sing to someone “I’m going to kill your friends and family to remind you of my love”

      • Rent is complicated for me. I was born over a year after it premiered on Broadway, and I didn’t actually listen to it until about a year ago. I love it, but I can definitely see how some people would think of it as a relic of the 90s. (Contact is a really, really weird song and the only song in any Broadway show that I skip when listening to the soundtrack.)

        • Violina23

          Although it came out when I was in high school, I didn’t really listen to it until late college, and didn’t see it until after I graduated, and wound up seeing it 3 times thanks to TKTS and winning the same-day lottery once. I tend to still gravitate towards more classic-style broadway (I grew up hearing Les Miz, Phantom, etc), but there were some excellent songs, and an emotional gravitas that anyone can understand today. I have a good friend who memorized the entire thing, including the Alexa Darling’s phone numbers. We have been known to break out into “Take me or Leave me” randomly 😉

          And yes, “Contact” is HORRIBLE, and I am pretty sure I deleted it from my album. It was staged really stupidly too, I think they were all under a big sheet? Ugh.

        • indescribable hat

          My friends and I got very very into Rent when we were in middle school, which was right before the movie came out. I saw it in theaters, received the DVD as a birthday present, and we all watched it again at that birthday party. I don’t feel that way about it anymore, but whenever I think of one of the songs and then sing the entire thing in an empty room I enjoy myself.

          • Rent isn’t of the quality of Les Miz or Hamilton, but it’s really enjoyable, and that’s about all you can ask of most Broadway shows.

            The movie, on the other hand, is a disgrace (although some of my frustration towards it may be due to Rosario Dawson’s recent political activities).

          • indescribable hat

            I don’t remember much about the movie, but we were pretty enthusiastic about it at the time. The music is what’s seared into my brain though.

      • corndogshuffle

        Classical fan? I guess that explains the violin. That’s my favorite kind of music. I teach band and played in the symphony orchestra at my college, Had a blast playing stuff like Rite of Spring, Rodeo, Mahler 5, Symphonie Fantastique (all time favorite piece).

        • Violina23

          The funny thing is that “Violina23” was my AOL screen name in high school. My dad was yelling at me to pick something, and I was like “Uhhh… I like the violin?” It made a good generic avatar name.

          I played Rite of Spring in college. Easily the most difficult piece of orchestral music I’ve ever played (not for difficulty of notes, per say, but for the ensemble). I remember doing clapping exercises to help us “get” the rhythm in the Sacrificial dance at the end.

          My next concert is all Russian composers — Rimsky-Korsakov Russian Easter Overture, Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto, and Tchaikovsky Symphony No 5. No complaints there. Then in a few weeks, one of my orchestras got hired to do live music for a local production of the Nutcracker. A LOT of music, but it is my favorite thing to do musically all year, and something that’s so accessible to my daughter. It’s truly my happy place

    • Alycia Swift

      Well it was just released so I just purchased the new Bettie Serveert yesterday on Itunes and it is excellent.

  • Black Dynamite

    Question for next week’s mailbag.

    What is your favorite Pixar film?

    • Purplerockmatt

      fuck do you want to burn this site down?

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        Is this a controversial question? Isn’t Cars 2 the consensus answer?

        • Purplerockmatt

          i know its not technically pixar but Planes is a masterpiece

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Barbarella. Hands down.

    • If anyone says anything other than The Incredibles I might leave this site forever.

      • Other Scott

        But the answer is Finding Nemo…

        I like the Incredibles, but I’ve never really understood the rampant enthusiasm for it myself

        • Finding Nemo is a very close second for me.

        • Hornacek

          The Incredibles is just so damn fun. I can’t remember the last film I watched where I had so much fun watching and experiencing it.

      • corndogshuffle

        But Toy Story 1, 2, and 3 also exist.

        Really, the quality of Pixar movies is so high across the board. As long as you didn’t try to convince me that either Cars movie, The Good Dinosaur, or Monsters University was the best I would accept your argument.

        • Alycia Swift

          Toy Story 1.

        • Violina23

          Monsters University was alright, Finding Dory was cute, but also not amazing.

          I could have sworn “The Good Dinosaur” was just regular Disney Animation and not Pixar. I didn’t catch that one, but I heard VERY mixed things.

          • I didn’t see The Good Dinosaur, but clearly something went wrong with it. Apparently the entire voice cast changed during production, and Pixar kind of stuffed it between Inside Out and Finding Dory. The reviews seem to confirm that it really just didn’t work.

          • Violina23

            I had a mom say that it had something really scary happen in the opening and her kids were horrified…. but another mom said it was really cute. I don’t think I’m missing much.

            Disney had an animated movie called “Dinosaur” around 2000 that I remember was interesting, but not great. I remember liking the score…

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            The Good Dinosaur was….. perfectly acceptable. Not bad, not great. Yes a major voice role was redone, and there was a massive late-stage rewrite. It was pretty unsophisticated for current Pixar, like it would have fit better between A Bug’s Life and Monsters Inc. it didn’t help that it had to follow Inside Out.

          • corndogshuffle

            The problem I think Pixar has is that they have set the bar so high (great problem huh?). When they put out movies like Monsters University (or Cars 1, honestly) that are fun, but don’t aspire to do do anything else, I think it feels like a let down to most viewers.

          • Violina23

            I think this is very true. The curse of high standards…

        • Hornacek

          My favorite anecdote about TS3 is that when it was in theaters it had 99% on Rotten Tomatoes (just checked, it still does) and there were people online seriously outraged because 1% of critics didn’t like it.

          • corndogshuffle

            It’s really a testament to how strong those movies are that people got worked up over something like that. It only got a 99 and I genuinely do wonder what about it made some critics unhappy.

          • Hornacek

            I mean, even now, seriously, what the hell was wrong with that critic(s)! How could you not give a favorable review to TS3? What’s wrong with you?!?!?

            Um, I mean, carry on.

          • andythesaint

            It was Armond White, professional troll, that dragged down TS3’s score.

          • Violina23

            I still claim if you don’t get emotional at the end of TS3, you have NO SOUL.

    • I don’t generally watch movies, but I fucking love Pixar movies.

      Also, if we widen this question to animated movies it might actually be harder for me than the 90s albums question.

      • Violina23

        I’d have a hard time with that because having grown up right smack in the middle of the Disney Animation Renaissance, I’d have a hard time separating nostalgia from the quality of the films themselves.

        I was so obsessed with “Beauty & the Beast” when it came out that I would come home from school, do my homework, and then watch the VHS tape (heh, yes, VHS tape). This went on for several weeks.

      • indescribable hat

        All animated movies? Prepare for a long comment from me debating the merits of various Miyazaki movies.

    • Violina23

      Pretty much all of them are amazing (as long as they are not named “Cars” or “Planes”, which, to be fair, I didn’t see in their entirety…)

    • Hornacek

      It’s not a Pixar film, but I always consider The Iron Giant as an unofficial Pixar film, even though it contains traditional animation (and was made by another studio).

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    John, I think that person might have been Kim Deal. The Amps opened for those Fighters of the Foo around… 1996? They were Kim’s (Pixies, Breeders) band and she got a load of shit on that tour. (I saw them in Austin on this tour!)

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    Kids, you wanna hear a scaaaary story?

    Have you ever heard of the band… Candlebox?

    • sharculese

      Yeah, the pattern of John trying to bring up terrible post-grunge and Andy just telling him “no” was delightful.

      • I was a little disappointed he didn’t ask me if I’d gone to see the standard bearers of Florida post-grunge, Creed and Matchbox Twenty.

        (I actually did see Matchbox Twenty very early on. So early on that they were opening for a Christian band my high school girlfriend dragged me to go see.)

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Okay, John. Yes or no question: Have you listened to the song “Hey Man Nice Shot” in the last month?

          • No, but I definitely listened to it at the time. And I actually did like Our Lady Peace, even though I was referencing them as a lame ass Canadian band (which they were, I just enjoyed their music).

    • Hornacek

      “Hey … you wanna see something really scary?” (Midnight Special plays in background)

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    I also like how you go from saying that Mark is the nicest but Matt is the most likeable. Very Seinfeld.

    • andythesaint

      It’s accurate tho. Being nice doesn’t make you likeable.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        I find the very nice to be disorienting and difficult to relate to.

        • Purplerockmatt

          for sure, the very nice are the worst

    • indescribable hat

      Hello. When I glanced at your comment the words “nicest but Matt” made me think you were saying something about someone having the nicest butt. Something about the two T’s in Matt. It felt important to share this with you. I should go to sleep.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Oh that’s totes Andy!

  • Baulderstone

    So, not that I expect you to admit you were wrong, Andy, you defend Jay’s Big Move by saying there was no evidence Michaela wasn’t going to flip after the merge. You are forgetting that what got her booted was her whole seashell puppet show about how the Millennials needed to stick together.

    I can’t remember specifics, but I recall a few comments where she really seemed to be drinking the kool aid on the whole Gen X vs. Millennial narrative.

    • sharculese

      The point wasn’t that Michaela was going to flip, but that there was no reason to believe a unified Millennial alliance was oing to emerge, which turned out to make sense, because that didn’t happen.

      If Michaela is there, and Adam, Hannah, and Zeke still are like “sorry guys, we built bonds with new people” then that group is just as dicked.

    • andythesaint

      Two things:
      1) We don’t know for sure how Michaela would’ve reacted to either Jay palling around with Taylor and Michelle again or their decision to target Adam.
      2) As soon as I said “maybe she’d have flipped” I thought to myself “too far man. You’ve pushed past the sale”.

      But as for the “drinking the kool aid on the whole Gen X vs. Millennial narrative”, she was the one who wanted them to vote out Figgy. So, maybe not so much.

      • Baulderstone

        She did seem pretty dedicated to wiping out Gen X, but make a good point that her hatred of Figgy showed that she wasn’t an absolutist.

        • andythesaint

          Ultimately, theorizing on how Michaela would’ve reacted is an unnecessary complication to my argument. It basically boils down to this:

          1) Nothing in what we were shown in this episode seems to have been affected by the absence of her (Millennials turned on each other due to Adam’s actions, not the sense of betrayal over her move)
          2) There’s no evidence that her presence would’ve made a tangible difference (Adam would still try to get Taylor to vote out Will, which leads Taylor to tell Jay, Zeke to overhear and try to save Adam, and Hannah to turn after hearing that the vote is Adam). Jay isn’t in a much better position after losing an 8-5 vote than he was losing a 9-4 vote.
          3) While we can’t point to negatives as a result of the Michaela vote (without resorting to speculation), the positives still exist: she didn’t tell anyone about his idol, she won’t be on the jury, and should Jay make it to the end, he won’t have to beat her.

          • sharculese

            I think what we’re learning is that there were long simmering rifts in the Millennials that are finally bubbling up. I’m saving it for the comments for next episode, just in case I’m gravely wrong, but I have a loooooong comment about how this is a Tocantins/Samoa style season where the majority tribe is a circular firing squad, and how the two-to-three tribe merge helps that happen.

          • I think the show figured out in Philippines that the three tribe thing causes more dynamic alliances, so that’s been the case for a while now. I’d be surprised if we have any more seasons that start as two tribes and remain that way until a merge.

          • sharculese

            Like I said, I’m holding my powder dry until we see who goes home tonight, lest I be spectacularly wrong, but I think we’re seeing a very specific type of season here, only warped through the lens of the swap-to-three format, which I’m interested in dissecting.

  • Violina23

    @andythesaint:disqus after listening to the podcast, I am really curious as to how you met your wife…

    @purplerockjohn:disqus Maybe you might struggle with the social game, but you’d ROCK any challenges that involve running and proper form.

    I’d be the worst Survivor player ever. I would be both gullible, and paranoid. Kinda like a not-skinny version of Hannah, although I think I’m less neurotic on a day-to-day basis.

    I’m pretty sure I actually had a few dreams that I was on the game…. I wish I could say more, but it’s kinda scattered images/memories. But I think I made the merge?

    • That’s the reason I think I’d be safe early on- I’m average height, weight, and athleticism. I won’t be singled out as a liability until everyone realizes that I haven’t talked to anyone in like 6 days.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        If you mention Counting Crows however, you’re doomed.

        • What do I do when there’s a long December? Do I *not* break into song?

          • Fuck. Now “Long December” is stuck in my head.

    • andythesaint

      It’s a bit of a fun story:

      My favourite prof in university decided to arrange a travel study course on Canadian history and culture where she’d fill a bus full of students and go across the country learning about those things first hand. So we left from Calgary to drive to the Pacific coast (Victoria), then all the way down to the Atlantic (Cape Breton) and back, stopping at the various cities, towns, and points of interest along the way, all in one month.

      As one of her favourite students, OF COURSE I was gonna go (she went and found fundraising once it became clear I couldn’t afford it on my own). A couple months before the trip, we had a fundraising meeting and standing at the door, smiling and laughing with her friend, was my future wife.

      I was instantly smitten. There was something about her smile that was so infectious that even a snarky, gloomy fucker like me could tell would be perfect for me. About a month later, I even ran into her in public, spotting her at a pool when my friends dragged me out to go swimming (apparently, her friends did this same). It was like the universe was trying to bring us together, as neither of us had ever been to that pool, nor have we been since.

      And I couldn’t work up the courage to talk to her.

      Luckily, I had a whole month to work my magic, in a situation perfect for my social skills. I’m terrible at BEGINNING to talk to people, but once I’m in the group, I tend to be one of the leaders of the group (because I’m not shy; I’m indifferent). So on the first day of pre-trip classes, I sat with the group she was sitting with at lunch…

      Only to overhear that she had a boyfriend. DEVASTATING.

      But we got to know each other as friends throughout the month anyway (as I got to know most of the people in the class. Again, I am very good in social situations like this, and am able to very easily slide between cliques. Or at least I was).

      When we got back, she showed ol’ boy the door (which, to be frank, was one of her motivations to take the course, to get some distance and time to re-assess a failing relationship). Then a month or so after that, I broke up with the girl I hooked up with on the trip since she wasn’t available (no, for real, making social bonds with people I’m trapped with exclusively for extended periods of time is MY JAM). We immediately started dating.

      15 years later, here we are.

      • Violina23

        I met my husband in college too — we were both in the freshman engineering program which meant we all had nearly identical courses and schedules, and we started talking on the daily walk from the lecture hall to the engineering building. Somewhere in the middle of the conversation was “Yeah, my girlfriend BLAH BLAH BLAH.” So I kinda shrugged it off. Long story short, that relationship fizzled out in the Spring, and the following fall we wound up being in the same dorm, got to know each other better, and started dating… and 16 years later (almost to the day) here we are 😉

        P.S. He better “like” this story 😉

  • Hornacek

    Considering this week’s episode, I was hoping one of Andy’s concert stories would be about Canadian band Wide Mouth Mason.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      I’d be happy for The Hanson Brothers. Not for the band
      Hanson, but for the band the Hanson Brothers.

      Also: how in the hell are you in last place in pick-4? I expect so much more!

      • Hornacek

        Do The Hanson Brothers have anything to do with mason jars?

        Wow, I *am* in last place! I gave up on my pick-4 chances weeks ago when I realized all of my pics were women (said because of the pattern of this season, not because I care about the gender of my pics). I never make my picks based on crazy things like “chances to win” and “ability” – it’s all about the weird and different spelling of the players’ names.

        My only hope now is for my Outcasts League team – come on, Bret and Hannah, run the table!

      • Alycia Swift

        I have to ask. The Hanson Brothers – wasn’t that like a 70s band – and one of the guys may have been married to Cyndi Williams from Laverne and Shirley.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          It was actually a NoMeansNo side project named after the goons in The movie Slapshot.

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    My brother-in-law says he will never root for the Spurs again (and that’s fine. I love my brother-in-law) but I have to say that I have never been more proud to be a Spurs fan than I was after hearing Pop’s opinions on Trump. It brought tears to my eyes. Popavich/Duncan 2020!

    • He’s been on fire this year. I loved how he didn’t let the reporters try to move on to another question when he was giving his thoughts on Trump.

      When Stan Van Gundy’s comments got a lot of play, my comment to Matt and Andy was, “Just wait until they talk to Pop.” (I’m a Heat fan, but I’ve always liked Popovich.)

    • corndogshuffle

      I don’t love when sports mix with politics, but I like Pop so much that I can look past it (especially because it’s not like I disagree with him).

      I think Pop is possibly the best coach in professional North American sports. If it’s not him it’s Bill Belichick. I just love everything about the Spurs.

      • Agreed. He won a title with the twin tower/pound it out style (phrasing!) and won over a decade later with precision ball movement (phrasing!). He’s insanely adaptive, especially for an older coach. And I don’t think I’ve ever heard a former player say a bad thing about him.

        • corndogshuffle

          I’m glad we’re still doing phrasing (my phone tried to autocorrect phrasing to Pagong by the way).

          I think Pop is the perfect coach. As you say, he is so adaptable and I think he could find success for any team in any kind of market. Except Philadelphia. But they don’t count because they suck on purpose.

  • Crappy

    I think I got it – Andy is the Donald trump of purple rock. I never expected mea culpa over Jay’s big move discussion but the whole diatribe about why it was not bad in this podcast was very Trump-seque.
    Even forgetting the eventual result of it- I still don’t see any upside to it at all. Lost an ally in Michaela, failed to gain allys in Bret/Sunday, lost a potential meat shield in Michaela. Only possible upside could be getting rid of a competitor to win immunity challenges. But I doubt at this stage any plan to run the tables for immunity is a good strategic plan unless you are Joe or Ozzy perhaps. Keeping Michaela may or may not have helped Jay but losing her definitely hurt him.

    • Hornacek

      Make Survivor Great Again!

    • andythesaint

      Sick burn brah.