Purple Rock Survivor Podcast: Philippines Watch-Along Episodes 1-3

Time to begin the next Survivor Watch-Along, in which we watch a previous season of the show and invite you all to watch along with us. This time, we’re discussing the first three episodes Survivor: Philippines. And we have two new hosts to do it with. (Phrasing).

NOTICE: Because this podcast is unedited, there are some curse words throughout. Those listening with younger people around may choose not to this time.

Purple Rock Survivor podcast: Survivor Philippines episodes 1-3

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Emma and Matt are taking over the podcast to talk about one of their all-time favorite seasons of Survivor. In this podcast, we talk about:

  • Ourselves.
  • The elephant in the room.
  • The tragedy that is the Matsing tribe.
  • Malcolm and Denise: Great pair or greatest pair?
  • Why Jeff Kent hates Jonathan Penner.
  • Why you should never promise crazy an alliance.
  • Whether Survivor or being a child star in the ’80s is more difficult.
  • Karma punishing Mike Skupin before society did.
  • Our new segment for this rewatch.

Thanks for watching along with us!

  • sharculese

    Well, now that you’ve promised cusses I’m gonna be bummed if you don’t deliver.

    • Purplerockmatt

      I’m glad we remembered one near the end

      • Purple Rock Emma

        We?

    • Hornacek

      Hell damn fart!

  • Blurry Denzel

    Only seeing Matt here in this live stream while Emma is just this omniscient voice in these proceedings.

    • sharculese

      And also sometimes only hearing Emma.

    • corndogshuffle

      Ghost Podcaster.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Yeah, I have no idea why that happened.

      • The camera loves Matt.

        • Hornacek

          At least something does.

          Come on, that was an underhand pitch straight over the plate. Someone had to swing at it.

          • You’re on fire this morning.

          • Hornacek

            My only similarity to Skupin. ONLY

    • Hornacek

      Nevertheless, Emma persisted.

  • Mike Hirsch

    I’ve watched all three episodes in the past week and still have a hard time remembering that Angie’s name isn’t Julia or Jennifer or Juliet.

    • Hornacek

      Are you talking about Boobs McGee?

      • corndogshuffle

        Boobs McGee is on vacation. You’re thinking about Veronica Corningstone.

        • Hornacek

          Veronica isn’t here. Her doctor called. He had her pregnancy report and told her that she got knocked up.

      • indescribable hat

        C’mon now, let’s not be rude. We call her Quits McGee.

        • Hornacek

          Quits is on another season. This is her younger sister, Boobs.

          • indescribable hat

            (Wait, are you joking around about one person or are there two McGees with different disparaging nicknames and I have misplaced one of them?)

          • Hornacek

            I always forget that Quits McGee’s actual last name is McGee. Isn’t “Boobs McGee” a well-known joke name, like Hooty McBoob?

          • indescribable hat

            Ah, that’s the part of the joke I’m missing.

          • Alycia Swift

            I thought it was Morgan from Caguyan.

          • Hornacek

            Morgan went far into the game. Plus she showed promise with her lie to her tribe in the first episode about what she found when she got to the camp first. But she never built upon that smart gameplay.

            Julie and Angie never showed any good gameplay.

          • Violina23

            … so did I

  • Taako From Teevhii

    It wasn’t Dawson, it was Roxy. I just want to correct that now to show that people tune in to Emma and Matt and not to John and Andy.

    • If you didn’t say it, I would have.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Thank you, not for the correction, but for doing it in a way that praises me and Emma and not John and Andy

    • Hornacek

      I’m still waiting for the overnight ratings so we can compare the Emma/Matt episode to the John/Andy episode.

      I hope it’s won’t be like Moonlighting where they would have a Curtis Armstrong and Alyce Beasley episode every now and then (because Willis and Shepherd were either working on outside projects or refusing to work with each other that week) and the ratings for those episodes would plummet because viewers wanted to see the main stars.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Truck fire.

  • Hornacek

    I’ll watch this tomorrow. But for now …

    Episode #1

    “I think the world saw that me falling in the fire was my greatest failure.” And so begins the Mile Skupin Inappropriate In Retrospect game for this season.

    Russell is on the Matsing tribe. And so begins the 4 episode discussion of The Intentional Matsing Strategy.

    I forgot about when Jeff would say at the start of the game that hidden immunity idols were in play. The first season he didn’t say this, did the players all think “There are no idols this season!”?

    Look how nice Artis is to Skupin. That won’t last.

    Carter jumps off the boat with a chicken in one hand and keeps it out of the water. If that’s the only impressive thing he does this season then … what’s that? It is? Oh well.

    Russell tells his tribe he doesn’t want to be the leader this time. Cut to the next scene …

    I miss sane Abi.

    On a 6-person tribe you make alliances with every person. How could this possibly go wrong?

    If nothing else this rematch has reminded me how much I love the Malcolm/Denise alliance. That hug after he tells her about Zane’s alliances and her little dance!

    Petebro talking about accident prone Skupin. “We’ll see when we get fire what happens.”

    According to the Survivor Wiki the players were given face paint before the challenge, which is why they look like they do when they come in for the challenge.

    The immunity chickens!

    Russell plans strategy for the challenge. Even watching this the first time I knew where this was going.

    “I told you I’m not good at puzzles.”

    We come back after the post-challenge commercial and OH MY GOD IT’S A SNAKE IN MY FACE ABOUT TO ATTACK ME!

    The old “we lost because of me so vote me out but secretly I want you to vote for someone else” strategy. Wait, it looks like this might actually work.

    Russell is an onion. Like Shrek.

    I remember that Zane quit smoking right before the show but it’s not mentioned until tribal so I thought maybe I was misremembering.

    Zane quotes Ricky Bobby when he votes.

    How could Zane’s foolproof plan of asking to be voted out go so wrong?

  • Hornacek

    Episode #2

    So much for sane Abi.

    I love happy Penner.

    Lisa, maybe the reason you feel like you’re not fitting in is because you left your entire tribe to go sit in the jungle alone.

    OMG Roxy’s speaking in tongues! I forgot about that.

    Abi sits out of the challenge. It begins.

    Denise recognizes that this puzzle is like Tetris.

    Russell shows how much of a fan of the show he is by lambasting his tribe after they lose the challenge.

    COOKIES!

    • prettyboyprobst

      I love happy Penner.

      “Found it! Found the clue!” the happiness oozing from him makes me happy, and for some reason that short confessional hit the sweet spot for me and I was so glad that they included it in the next PreviouslyOnSurvivor.

      I was surprised we saw Roxy speaking in tongues only once. Maybe there was more in secret scenes, or I meshed that together with all her Jesus-talk in my mind.

      • Hornacek

        Penner: (running past anonymous member of his tribe) I’m on fire! I’m on fire!

    • sharculese

      I’ve always wanted to learn how to speak in tongues. It’s supposed to be a really trippy feeling because the language centers of your brain just shut all the way down.

  • Hornacek

    Episode #3

    After rewatching these episodes, I completely agree with RC when she refused to return for another season if Abi came back too.

    Carter speaks!

    Wait, an immunity challenge 13 minutes in? Is this a double boot episode?

    I remember Abi sitting out almost every challenge, but for some reason I forgot that her twisted knee was mentioned on the show. I thought it was only mentioned in exit interviews (maybe I’m mixing her up with Brenda in Caramoan).

    RC and Denise are putting everyone else to shame in this challenge.

    Jeff Kent says “This is a me game, not a we game.” Hey that sounds familiar.

    The 4-finger handshake. Jeff Kent is 6 years old.

    The start of the one-sided feud between Artis and Skupin. Again, start making the “ARTIS WAS RIGHT” t-shirts.

    Abi finds the HII and yells “I found it! I found it!” I know everyone else was out clamming but I think she would have yelled that even if everyone was at camp.

    I wish we had a whole season of Malcolm and Denise strategizing and complaining about other players.

    I think it was at this tribal when this first aired that I officially got tired of Russell saying that he was willing to give his life for this game. No you weren’t! You just forgot to rest and drink water!

    At least Russell apologized for making that little girl cry.

    Now who will Malcolm cuddle with? It’s a few more seasons until So Kim doesn’t play and then plays.

    Also, my phone’s auto-correct keeps changing “Abi” to “Abu”.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Sometimes I like to pretend that writing these is your job.

      • Hornacek

        No, repetitiveness is my job. My job. It’s my job to be repetitive.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          “Reason we called him Hornacek Two-Times is ’cause he always said everything twice

          • Hornacek

            That’s better than my previous name, Hornacek Tightlips.

            “Hornacek Tightlips, where’re you posting about Survivor?
            “I ain’t sayin’ nothin’.”
            “But what’ll I tell the other commenters?
            “Tell them to suck a lemon.”

    • Malcolm and Denise=Survivor’s Statler and Waldorf

      • Hornacek

        Malcolm: The other members of Matsing aren’t half bad.
        Denise: Nope, they’re ALL bad!

        (watching Philippines)
        Malcolm: Boo!
        Denise: Boooo!
        Malcolm: That was the worst season I’ve ever seen!
        Denise: It was terrible!
        Malcolm: Horrendous!
        Denise: Well it wasn’t that bad.
        Malcolm: Oh yeah?
        Denise: Well, there were parts of it I liked!
        Malcolm: Well, I liked a lot of it.
        Denise: Yeah, it was GOOD actually.
        Malcolm: It was great!
        Denise: It was wonderful!
        Malcolm: Yeah, bravo!
        Denise: More!
        Malcolm: More!
        Denise: More!
        Malcolm: More!

    • prettyboyprobst

      I think it was at this tribal when this first aired that I officially
      got tired of Russell saying that he was willing to give his life for
      this game. No you weren’t! You just forgot to rest and drink water!

      Perfect. Specifically that stupid hyperbole of his always bugged me to no end.
      Although if that were to be true and Hot Take #1 from the recent RhaP-episode were also true, Jefe Probst and M.Burnett would know where to start when casting for that season. They could even play with open cards and negotiate a compensation package for his family upfront.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      “I remember Abi sitting out almost every challenge, but for some reason I forgot that her twisted knee was mentioned on the show. I thought it was only mentioned in exit interviews (maybe I’m mixing her up with Brenda in Caramoan).”

      1. Yes.
      2. How dare you.

      • Hornacek

        I only meant mixing her up with Caramoan Brenda in that she basically disappeared in that season until the loved ones visit, so much that Rob and Stephen were calling her “Purple Brenda” and during every exit interview Rob would ask “What is Brenda doing?”
        And it was from one of those interviews that someone said that Brenda had hurt her knee (?) during the first episode and that’s why she wasn’t participating in challenges, but that was never said on the show.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Of course Malcolm wants cookies though. The “sleeping situation” shows that pretty clearly.

  • corndogshuffle

    As a practicing Catholic, I really appreciated Denise’s comments on religion. Of all the things God cares about I don’t think Survivor is on the list. Denise is awesome.

    • sharculese

      Lisa does it better in the finale.

      • corndogshuffle

        I usually skip that episode but ill keep an eye out for that this time!

      • Super duper fan

        As a catholic myself: YES, YES, AND ONCE AGAIN YES!

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I’m gonna throw Random Notes down before bouncing.

    This was an appropriately chosen rewatch season for the inaugural season of the Jeff Kent Fan Club fantasy league.

    Dawson estimates Jeff’s career earnings at $30M. LOL

    I submit a motion to subtitle this season as Survivor: Philippines – Butterface Island

    “I’m playin’ chess the best way I know how. And hopefully, imma king me.”

    Seeing Carter on Survivor is inspiring. Cuz I’ve got a little ab definition, and Carter got cast with little else besides that.

    I don’t love the constant visuals of Skupin getting injured, but I do love the idea of a constantly injured Skupin.

    • purplerockandy

      “I’m playin’ chess the best way I know how. And hopefully, imma king me.”

      It’s a statement that is both wrong and probably very right.

    • Hornacek

      “Dawson estimates Jeff’s career earnings at $30M. LOL”

      I don’t follow sports so I knew nothing (and still don’t) about Jeff Kent besides what I learned through Survivor. But according to the new Funny 155 list, his career earnings are $86M!!!

  • indescribable hat

    Who are you, Emma? Attractive means “a slender girl and a buff guy?” Are you not the woman who first directed my attention to the beauty of Samoa Brett?

    Phew, you have distanced yourself from these views by invoking “society.” Thank god.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      InvisiBrett is so cute.

      • indescribable hat

        Sooo cute. He’s just lovely. I’m really indebted to you for bringing him to my attention.

        • Do we know if him and Ciera ever dated “back in the day”?

          • indescribable hat

            Wait what? Is there a reason to think they might have? I’m missing something.

          • Brett and Laura went to church together back when he lived in Oregon. But he went to college down in LA, so his chryon is California, not Oregon.

          • indescribable hat

            Man, you miss all the dirt when Russell drives you away from a season in the first two episodes. (I did watch eventually go back and watch all of Samoa.)

          • This was post-show dirt because it wasn’t super important and it happened on Galu.

          • indescribable hat

            Oh yeah, I just meant I never bothered to read Samoa press or anything, since I didn’t watch it live and then didn’t particularly care about it.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Coincidentally, Brett used to go to the same church as Laura M. before moving away, and then they wound up on a tribe together.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          You’re very welcome.

    • Hornacek

      Emma’s definition of “beautiful” has been highly suspect ever since she vetoed Brian Heidik for the Beauty tribe on the hypothetical All Stars Brains vs. Brawn vs. Beauty season.

      • #NeverForget

      • Maritimer

        I wasn’t listening then but I fully support Emma in that decision. (I’m learning in our recent discussions that we apparently have almost the exact same type though)

        • Prom King

          Psychopaths can be beautiful! Poor psychopaths, all the things that they have to deal with in life and now even the beauty of their person-suits are being questioned by judgmental Emma and Maritimer! Tsk, tsk.

          • indescribable hat

            Hey! I’m attracted to plenty of psychopaths, just not this one.

          • Violina23

            I feel like there is a joke in here about the hot/crazy ratio from HIMYM….

      • indescribable hat

        I’ve never agreed with her more about anything. He’s so gross and creepy! He looks like Aaron Echolls!

        • Hornacek
          • indescribable hat

            Super fair given my description, but you should probably watch Veronica Mars because it’s great. And apparently you’d think Aaron Echolls was hot.

          • purplerockandy

            Harry Hamlin.

          • Hornacek

            Clash of the Titans’ Harry Hamlin???

          • indescribable hat

            I know they’re both widely regarded as good-looking, but I just do not go for that brick-shaped head look, especially with sort of puffy, fleshy features on top of it. Yuch. Logan is the only Echolls for me.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I don’t know if you watch iZombie, but Jason Dohring is on it right now and there was a scene where he is totally naked (except obviously strategically shot to cover him since it’s the CW) and it is VERY good.

          • indescribable hat

            I’m catching up RIGHT NOW and checked this during a commercial! Big fan of that scene. When Jason Dohring first showed up on iZombie I literally squealed. Although of course I prefer him on Veronica Mars, ’cause I like ’em young. (He’s in his early twenties there, not actually a high schooler, don’t panic anyone.)

          • indescribable hat

            Alert! Alert! Even better undressed Dohring in this week’s episode!

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Oh I have seen that, believe you me. Good lord.

  • sharculese

    As someone who has dated girls like Abi, you either choose to learn your lesson around 28-30 or you never learn it.

    • StormofCuteness

      😱 I mean…

      This may be the most shocking thing I’ve ever seen you write.

      *Words fail me*

      • StormofCuteness

        In case it’s not clear, I’m shocked you’ve ever dating girls like Abi. *shudder*

          • BadPlayer91

            Wow, it’s been like, 5-6 months since I watched that season, and with all my other watching and PRP-ing, my opinion of that group is almost completely changed. The only person I feel the same about is Abi, which isn’t great for her…

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            If that five had held together the gap between Cambodia and Game Changers in the ranking would be a lot narrower.

          • Sure. But that wasn’t the point of my gif.

          • Max_Jets

            Too cryptic.

          • Max_Jets

            I would actually be A OK with this group of 5 dominating, as long as Ciera or Kass wins. The Kass/Savage arguments and more of Abi Maria & Woo together would be wonderful.

          • StormofCuteness

            I had to open that just to be assaulted with Dat Ass. She has a big one because she is one. 🙄

      • sharculese

        I just traded a guy I met in a parking lot car accessories for.. things. Reports that I am good at decision making are vastly overrated.

    • Luckily Pete is only just now crossing that threshold…right?

  • Blurry Denzel

    As someone who is around the same age as Emma, I would freak the fuck out if I saw Blair Warner in person. Facts of Life was awesome viewing for young Denzel.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Nerd.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      As someone who is a few years younger than Lisa and watched Facts of Life during its initial run, I was always more into Jo myself.

      • StormofCuteness

        You must be in my age group then. I was totally and inappropriately into Jo (serious girl crushing) and also her *cough, sure sure she’s straight* boyfriend [George Clooney].

        That said, I would have fangirled all over myself if I saw Blair on a boat next to me!

      • Hornacek

        No love for Tootie. 🙁

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        I was definitely into Jo. For reasons.

    • Paging Purple Tally!

    • But Blair is not the star, right?

      • Blurry Denzel

        Only in my heart

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Pssssht! Molly Parker is the obvious choice!

      • StormofCuteness

        She’s arguably the character with the biggest arc over all the seasons. I mean I ‘d say she and Jo get more plot lines than Natalie and Tootie.

        • I was going to say that Jo is the name I always remembered besides Tootie.

          • StormofCuteness

            Maybe because Blair is the villian?

          • Wait, really?

          • Blurry Denzel

            I wouldn’t call Blair a villian but sometimes she comes across as shallow rich girl.

          • StormofCuteness

            Well, I absolutely hated her so…

          • Blurry Denzel

            Blair always made me laugh the most so I think that’s where my fandom comes from. I would more easily be friends with Jo though.

          • StormofCuteness

            Maybe it’s because we were contemporaries, but she was all the mean girls ever as far as I was concerned.

          • Hornacek

            “Girls girls girls!!!”

      • purplerockandy

        She was second billing after Charlotte Rae.

    • Violina23

      I’m older than BOTH of you and I’ve never seen an episode

  • TheForRealDeal

    My favorite thing about Denise is, no matter who is talking or what is being said, she is nodding at them, which must be some sort of therapist tic. I enjoy this because it is something I do as well. What I’m trying to say is, I think I would win survivor because I nod a lot.

    • indescribable hat

      It’s soothing and affirming just to watch her have conversations with other people.

  • Blurry Denzel

    I had forgotten how brutal Russell was to Angie at that third tribal council. He completely eviscerated her and does not look good doing it. You are awful at Survivor. Also, no one should be willing to die for this game show. I don’t understand how that is a point of pride for this man.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Yeah he was brutal and it was like kicking a puppy.

      • Hornacek

        Terrible, but not as bad as shooting it with an arrow.

        • BadPlayer91

          I just watched the part of Africa where they shoot a cow with an arrow point blank! What a day!

          • Hornacek

            And the cow’s just standing there like nothing’s going on. There’s acceptance of other cultures, but that scene is just weird.

          • BadPlayer91

            I think I accepted it as a culture that i’m ill-prepared to comment on, but I also didn’t love watching the cow freak out, and I can understand why animal activists would have a problem with that…

          • Prom King

            One thing about the Masai is that they are great protectors of cows. Rarely eat beef and are really focused on conservation and protecting wildlife in general.It’s hard for me to imagine an animal activist not being down with how Masai treat animals, if they took the time to understand their culture.

          • BadPlayer91

            These are all things I did not know. What I meant was more that i’m sure there are plenty of people who saw that episode, in particular them shooting a cow with an arrow, and were upset and/or angered about it.

          • Prom King

            Yeah I remember being a bit traumatized by it when I first watched it, as a wee lad. But then the season became an inspiration to visit Kenya, which I eventually did, and now here I am on an internet forum pontificating about why it shouldn’t be traumatizing to watch. Full circle? Ish.

          • Prom King

            I had a glass of fresh cow’s blood when I was in Kenya a little while ago, visiting a Masai village. Didn’t watch the arrow part (I’m soft), but the cow was still standing right there in front of me while I drank it. Awkward.

          • StormofCuteness

            Whoa, shit got real.

          • Prom King

            I forgot to mention that they mixed milk in with the blood so that it was a strange pink color. Apparently only real Masai men drink the blood straight. Blood with milk is served to women, children… and I guess tourists like me. But not survivors, if I remember that episode correctly.

          • sharculese

            I’m pretty sure there was milk in it.

          • Prom King

            Oh good, that makes me happy. I will now revise my memories accordingly. That sentence should also now read “Blood with milk is served to women, children, survivors, and me.” I’m as manly as a survivor!

    • Hornacek

      I imagine Russell Swan (or as he was called during Samoa, “Black Russell”) watching the Kaoh Rong episode where Caleb is medevac’d saying “Now THAT’S a Survivor player!”

    • I remember saying this as the season was airing, but after those confessionals I remember saying, “No one wants to see you die! This game is not about dying- in fact it’s called the exact opposite of that!”

    • Prom King

      For some reason I feel guilty for not liking Russell on either of his appearances, but really, just about everything he does on the show bugs me. His histrionics are the only minus for me in this great season. It’s such a relief when he’s finally gone.

      • Hornacek

        I can’t wait until next week when he calls Jeff Probst “Lord”.

        • Prom King

          It’s my third time watching this season so I think I will treat myself and just fast forward through him from now on.

          • Hornacek

            Hey, it’s only one more episode.

      • DrVanNostrand

        Don’t feel bad. He was obnoxious in both outings. It was much more fun to watch him go out the way he deserved in Philippines.

  • indescribable hat

    I feel like a lot about Malcolm can be explained by looking into his recent past. How is he so hot without being bland and entitled? Why does someone so generally excellent flirt with Angie more than he knows is wise? I have a theory. http://www.dartmouthsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=591965

    We have only known a Malcolm who was everything Reynold could ever want in a bro, but in his college years he was not the cutest, not the smartest. I’m sure he did fine in college. He’s Malcolm! He’s delightful! But he’s also a guy who hasn’t always been fawned over the way is now, which is probably how he got so delightful. And at 24, he hasn’t quite reached the point where he can ignore the newfound fawning.

    • TheForRealDeal

      That year in Micronesia was very kind to him.

      • indescribable hat

        If that’s where he found his long hair and stubble look, hell yes. I think losing the football player diet (and training) plus frat bro drinking probably helped. Bulky and clean-cut is just not that boy’s look.

        • TheForRealDeal

          Defensive end is not most people’s look.

          • indescribable hat

            Sure! This conversation just went over my head. Was anyone that on Friday Night Lights? Not that I recall. They all looked pretty good. Hmmm…

          • TheForRealDeal

            As a severely scrawny straight guy who only watches baseball, this was a bit of a reach for me as well.

          • indescribable hat

            I believe in you. Admiring Malcolm is for everyone.

    • Prom King

      “Favorite Musical Act: Kenny Chesney”… that was hard to read. I’m going to pretend I never actually read that.

  • Purplerockmatt

    Hey guys, sorry about the camera only showing me. We aren’t entirely sure why that happened and trust me we wouldn’t have chosen me to focus on if we had the choice. We didn’t realize this was happening until right near the end, we’ll figure it out for next week

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Who doesn’t want to focus on Hookers?

      • TheForRealDeal

        Does that make you Blackjack?

        • indescribable hat

          Yes. Emma is Blackjack and Matt is Hookers. If Matt podcasts with someone else that person will presumably have to be Blow.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Back when we assigned the nicknames, it was agreed that Matt had to be Hookers because if I was it would be sexist.

          • purplerockandy

            #feminism

      • Hornacek

        Hookers! Hookers! Hookers!

        Wait, what are we talking about again?

    • Hornacek

      In next week’s episode we’d better see only Emma.

  • sharculese

    Penner’s problem is that he treats every interaction as a chance to rationally maximize his potential outcomes, and he doesn’t bother to hide it because he doesn’t understand that the only other person who plays Survivor that way is Brian Heidik.

    He’s really funny though. He’s got that going for him.

    • indescribable hat

      And that’s why I shouldn’t play Survivor.

    • Hornacek

      I think he gains some points with his tribe (and the viewers) in a later episode when he comforts one of his tribemates (Dana?) who is so weak from the conditions that she is medevac’d/quits the game

    • Alkanarra

      But his misreads are what make him so much fun. Philippines is my favorite of his seasons in part because he has so many odd blunders, and his misread on Jeff Kent is so bad that it’s entertaining. They’re like Iago and Othello if the play were a comedy.

      • sharculese

        Its also Jeff Kent’s fuckup, because Penner really is his ideal ally but hes so hhng up on voting out the returnees that he cant see it.

        Dont get me wrong, it was a smart move on day one, but at a certain point Kent should have asked himself whether he should just work with Penner.

        • Hornacek

          But then we would have missed out on the four-finger handshake!

        • Alkanarra

          Oh absolutely. It’s maddening because Jeff Kent is *almost* a very good player at this game. He’s the sort of “second chance” person that would be fun to see if he can come back and maybe ease off a bit. He can’t, but it’d be fun to see him try.

          It’d also be fun seeing him in an all-returnee season and simultaneously targeting everyone.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            The problem is if he came back then everyone would definitely know he’s rich.

          • Hornacek

            He needs to return on the Survivor: Millionaires season.

          • BadPlayer91

            Would watch. Though it would have to be something like “Million dollars gets donated to that players sponsor charity” otherwise it would be such a petty concept (I’m sure some amount of pettiness will be brought to that season regardless). This would also probably open the door to an all-celebrity season, for which i’m all thumbs down.

          • Hornacek

            And all the players have to have been millionaires before they went on Survivor.

          • BadPlayer91

            Yeah. It’s not a winner’s season, in fact, no winners aloud. Just rich, wealthy people fighting for charity. Teams could even be broken down based upon how they got their millions. Like, the entrepreneurs who built their company from nothing, the investors who made money through financial and real estate markets, the rich kids who inherited fortunes. Then we could have some fun generational-esque banter about how “I had to work every day to make my money, and these rich brats were handed a silver spoon” and the younger people being like “Life isn’t all about work, I just want to enjoy the world and sleep in”

            The more sharks from Shark Tank they can get on, obviously the better it will be. Lori would be amazingly entertaining on Survivor. Same with Kevin. and Barbara.

          • Hornacek

            Survivor: Old Money vs. New Money

    • Maritimer

      Going back to Rob’s (I think) theory that returnees play like the winner of their season, that makes a hell of a lot of sense, given the interactions Yul and Jonathan had at the merge in particular

      • sharculese

        Yeah, its probably nore accurate to say that Yul works so well with Penner because they have a similar approach to the game, Yul is just better at it. It’s the same reason he follows Candace when she mutinies – he cant imagine a reason she would do it besides it being optimal strategy.

        • Maritimer

          Yeah, as I was writing I was kind of getting there too – Penner was already like Yul in that regard and its why it worked so well. Unfortunately for Penner, he comes across as sneaky whereas Yul comes across as honest

      • indescribable hat

        Especially the interactions Yul had with Penner, where he was very explicit about it since that is actually the best way to work with Penner.

        • Hornacek

          Yeah, Penner seems to respond best when you’re 100% straight with him. If you try to be coy he doesn’t like it.

          • Prom King

            Unless your name is Lisa Whelchel and you are point blank asking him to be a part of your alliance. Then he suddenly gets shy and coy. There’s only room for one actor in a Penner alliance.

  • I don’t think they licensed footage for Jimmy Johnson.

    • purplerockandy

      I’m guessing the NFL is more expensive. Which is odd, since CBS is a corporate partner and all.

      • I can see that. NFL is kinda the worse.

        • purplerockandy

          THE WORST

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    I rarely give any credence to “Survivor is fake” accusations, but the initial sequence on the boat is awfully fishy:

    Jeff: “Three tribes of 5? Whaaaa?”
    Zane: “I sure hope there are no celebrities this season.”
    Roxy: “I sure hope Russel Swan isn’t on this season.”

    • Purplerockmatt

      the only thing that would have made that better is if when Russell arrived he went “Surprise motherfucker!” or as I call it pulling a Doakes

      • DrVanNostrand

        Then Skupin fakes his death to avoid prosecution and becomes a lumberjack?

    • My hunch is that this cast got AO, Micronesia, and Samoa as the seasons to rewatch for very obvious reasons.

    • Hornacek

      Not sure how many of these players are fans that have watched most/all season (we know Malcolm, Lisa and Dawson for sure), but I think everyone would have seen enough Survivor to know that they wouldn’t be starting with only 15 players.

      Also, of the previous 3 seasons, 2 of those season had 2 returning players. Even casuals/recruits suspected that the season would include a couple of returning players. And once they found out they were split into 3 tribes, probably everyone assumed there would be 3 returning players.

    • indescribable hat

      Lord knows how much footage those clips were pulled from though.

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    Fun Fact: The “Survivor I’m Most Like” for the first, second, and third boots were Brandon, Brandon, and Fabio in that order.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Good lord, really?

    • indescribable hat

      Y’know, those aren’t horrible picks for them.

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    I think my biggest reason for not liking RC is the constant fake laugh.

    • StormofCuteness

      I never noticed it. I think RC got a raw deal. She’s smart, athletic (especially good at swimming), and a gamer. Still, she chose to immediately think she could trust Abi so her spidey senses must be damaged.

      • RC is probably the best female swimmer in Survivor history But, I think there is something in her social game that doesn’t make it to the edit but you can just sense it.

        • StormofCuteness

          Hmm, I didn’t get that. I felt like Pete and she would have done well if Abi hadn’t convinced him RC was a liar/traitor. Still, Pete made me far more annoyed on every level than RC ever did.

          • Max_Jets

            RC comes across much worse in the Ponderosa videos than she does in the show’s edit

          • StormofCuteness

            Aha, that’s probably what I’m missingm

          • indescribable hat

            Oooo I’ll have to remember to hunt those down when we get there.

          • Even if you don’t hunt down Ponderosa, watch her at the reunion. She’s the worst.

          • StormofCuteness

            This is so true, and I was so surprised by it that I’m believing what I’m reading in this thread.

          • Prom King

            She’s not treated very nicely. And she’s also not a very nice person. I much prefer Abi’s insane eyes and joker’s version of a smile to RC’s horrible, horrible fake laugh.

          • StormofCuteness

            Maybe I was just so horrified and annoyed by Abi that I missed this fake laugh people keep talking about.

          • Prom King

            But surely you remember her equally horrible fake smile!

          • It just comes out of nowhere and no one knows how to respond.

          • I hate her justification for voting for Lisa at FTC. To quote her voting confessional “The minute I got on the raft, I wanted you gone because I knew what a threat you really were, so you certainly deserve this vote.” In other words, you’re getting my vote because you proved me right. Thanks

          • Max_Jets

            I can’t be upset about it, because I’m happy Lisa got a vote. She definitely voted better than Carter.

          • Obviously she did. Like I said I don’t hate the vote, I hate her logic for it. If anyone is trying to pat themselves on the back, it’s RC, not Pete

          • Max_Jets

            It’s kind of funny to hear justification for votes some of the time. RC’s could have just as easily been that she voted for Lisa because she only knew Denise for a couple days but spent weeks with Lisa. Cydney could have said that she felt a little closer to Michele than she did to Aubry (but would probably never say that because she cares about Aubry.) I suspect both of these might be the real reasons, but they justify it in different ways.

          • I buy that from Cydney, but I do not buy that from RC because of her confessionals in the early going on Tandang. Had they went to tribal early on, she would have voted for Lisa.

      • Hornacek

        From my memory of this season, I never understood why RC has gotten so much hate from the internet fans since then.* I’m not an RC fan, but I don’t dislike her. I didn’t remember anything she did on the season to deserve such scorn. Didn’t she give an interview post-game where she made some questionable claim about … I can’t remember, didn’t she compare the conditions on Survivor to …something? (it may sound like I’m being coy but I seriously can’t remember what this was)

        I’m paying attention to her during this rewatch to see if I missed something the first time through. So far, I’m not seeing anything bad besides making an alliance with Abi, which seemed like a good idea at the time – how was RC supposed to know that Abi was an unhinged psycho? (oh wait, it’s just cultural, never mind). Plus she killed it in that swimming challenge. And I didn’t have a problem with her laugh.

        * I can understand why the RHAP fans hate her after she beat Kim during the Miss Survivor competition and then did nothing with RHAP during her reign.

        • The fact that she beat Kim even back then is bonkers.

          • Hornacek

            On RHAP there was a lot of “Kim and Chelsea split the One World vote” talk, but that is just ridiculous. Who watched One World and thought “You know which of these women would make the best Miss Survivor to represent the show on RHAP? Chelsea!”

            What helped RC is that she had a campaign manager and a lot of people working for her to get out the word for people to vote for her (I think Russell Hantz was on her team). But for Kim and Chelsea, I think all they did was tweet to their own followers to vote for them and that was it. They got steamrolled by RC’s political machine.

          • I mean I see RC’s representation in the reunion with those leopard bikini signs, so that is fathomable.

            Also, why put that much effort in this?

          • Hornacek

            Apparently she wanted it so she could say she was Miss Survivor for that year. She didn’t do anything with Rob or the podcast so all she wanted was the title.

          • That’s so RC.

          • Hornacek

            Who else but Quagmire RC?

          • I do not follow her on social media, but I could see her having miss Survivor in her twitter bio for years.

          • Hornacek

            (looks up Twitter account) She has her season listed in her bio but now being Miss Survivor – shocking. Although her Twitter handle is @RC_Survivor – a big no-no to have “Survivor” in your handle (according to Rob C).

            And her banner picture is her in the leopard-skin bikini laying down on a beach.

          • Yeah, including Survivor in your handle unless you are redmond is desperate as hell.

      • She compared her time on Survivor with being in a concentration camp. The interview is now taken down, but it used to be here: https://www.birthrightisrael.com/TaglitBirthrightIsraelStory/MediaCenter/Pages/Survivor-Philippines.aspx

        She also suggested that Abi hated her because she was more attractive than Abi.

        • indescribable hat

          Those feel like comments I would like to see in their original form to properly assess. Too bad.

          • I understand, because I’d demand the same. I tried to find it archived, but wasn’t successful.

          • Purplerockmatt

            if it makes you feel better John showed them to me when he first found them and they were as heinous as he represents them to be

          • sharculese

            It’s incredibly bad. She also condescends to the interviewer about how awful Obama is going to be for Israel.

        • StormofCuteness

          Eek! Yeah, that was…unwise? Horrible?

          The first one. The second just seems a bit catty and potentially true though Abi’s narcissism means the thought never occurred to her.

          • Setting aside personalities (where I don’t think either shines anyway), I find Abi more attractive than RC.

          • StormofCuteness

            Gotcha. I don’t find either very attractive, but I did note that RC has a perfect body for her leopard bikini.

            Personality always influences who I find attractive though…unless that person is Lenny Kravitz or early Jude Law, then it’s…don’t speak.

          • purplerockandy

            I’m the opposite.

  • Question: Why did Katie do her warpaint like a face mask?

    • TheForRealDeal

      To strike fear into the hearts of men? To rejuvenate her pores?

      Katie is the brunette right?

      • That’s not Dawson, yes.

        • corndogshuffle

          I legitimately thought Katie’s name was “Katie Dawson” for a while. I couldn’t figure out why I only knew 17 names from this season.

          • Maritimer

            I think its possible that the Kalabaw women are the most under-edited unit this show has ever seen. Like, I know a lot about Survivor and I possibly would still get Dawson and Katie mixed up if they were standing in front of me. I also couldn’t tell you a thing about any of the three of them, other than that Dawson is the one who tried to make out with Prosbt

          • prettyboyprobst

            IIRC, Katie’s time to shine will be in challenges later on. Ok, maybe she won’t exactly shine, but Jeff P. will make mention of her.
            When I initially watched Philippines (not live) I was pretty excited about Dawson and seeing her buried by the edit like that was a real bummer. I also thought Dana could be cool (if she’d just stop going after Penner!). I assume the two former at least get to talk when the latter is quitevaced?

            Edit talk:
            But the whole Kalabaw women-edit actually makes a lot of sense, given the time-limits of the show. Not only because they’re of no consequence to the post-merge and the focus on the returning players, but their whole tribe plays barely into how this season progresses.
            I haven’t re-watched beyond episode 3 yet, but I was really impressed how much focus the show put on the inner workings of the Tandang tribe in that third episode. Had it aired nowadays, I’d probably complain in the liveblog-comments that there is no suspense about who’s going to tribal (ok, most likely I wouldn’t as I’m usually busy enough reading the liveblog during the broadcast, but that’s what I would have been thinking) with all the strategic movement within and so much conflict set up for Tandang.
            But (if my memories about the season are not totally off) I think this edit really pays off when Tandang on the surface holds all the cards post-merge, but we know they are bursting at the seams and bound to break apart. Then it’s really important to understand the Tandang story, whereas the red tribe got decimated in the two-tribe phase, their remnants quickly gone with the wind after the merge (or named Carter).
            All we need to know about Kalabaw is that they didn’t like Penner, so we don’t blame him for ditching who’s left of them when he gets the chance.
            And of course they couldn’t have cut anything from the Matsing story. Their struggles were entertaining, but also laid the groundwork for the divide-and-conquer-glory that transpired after being dissolved themselves and coming back together.

            These first three episodes were a great reminder for why I loved this season so much in the first place. Usually when I tried to remember what was so great about Philippines, I think about that great merge episode, the Matsing story and that it had Penner, Malcolm and Abi-Maria, but now I think the season-long edit was just as important. Sure, Matsing was handed to them on a plate, but they also made the most of it.

          • Maritimer

            Yeah, The Katie thing is coming up quick
            Dana could have been awesome. Unfortunately the flu does her in. Dawson definitely gets to talk during the quitivac because she talks about jumping Probst. I don’t remember if Katie does
            On the edit: I agree that it makes sense, given the story that had to be told. they don’t end up mattering, nor does the story of Kalabaw really. That said, they could have had just a little bit more exposure. Personally, I could have done with a bit less Russell S but I get that he was instrumental to the Matsing shit-show story

          • prettyboyprobst

            Damn, I forgot there was foreshadowing for “the Kiss”. (apart from her being a big fan)

            I get not wanting so much Russel Swan on your screen, but after everyone spoke so glowingly of him coming out of Samoa, i appreciated every scene that debunked him, and it also made for a good juxtaposition with Malcolm &Denise’s sheer competency.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Who talked glowingly about him in Samoa? He was just as bad in Samoa.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I also thought he was unbelievably badand without a shred of self-awareness in Samoa, and maybe that’s why I called what very well could have just been people defending him or saying nice things about him as a person “people talking glowingly about him”.

            But just going from my unreliable memories, I think Probst, his former Galu-tribemates (especially Dave Ball comes to mind), possibly some of Rob’s guests at the time and probably some/most of the more facebooky fans I heard from at the time spoke highly of him.
            (I often consider the listener feedback show from the SFP as my window into the minds of the casuals and FB-Survivor fans – which isn’t exactly fair to the hosts and many/most of the participants, but all the more fitting for the rest of them. Plus, they do have a facebook group for that podcast.)

          • Which I am in…even though I stopped listening to the podcast.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Haha, I just read an old comment from you where you mentioned reading sth. in a facebook group.
            Of course I wondered if that could be the same by any chance, but figured it’s probably the Tribe’s or PoS. I’m in neither, as I don’t frequent FB very much. Like I said, that’s what I got the feedback show for.

            But there’s nothing wrong with keeping up with them! How else would we know what the people on the streets are telling Probst, when they run into him? We don’t live in L.A.!

          • What is sth?

          • prettyboyprobst

            Sometimes I’m just too lazy to type out something – like “something”, “somebody” or “respectively”.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Hey Gossip Queen, what did Dawson do to get the last name treatment? And are she and Wentworth the only female last-namers?

          • I believe Dawson just insisted on it because that is how she is referred to in real life.

            Wiglesworth got the last name treatment in Cambodia. Towards the end of BvW, Monica got Culpepper.

          • Hornacek

            In a deleted scene from the premiere, on the boat Jeff calls her “Sarah” and she says “Jeff, I am a superfan of this show and I would love it you called me by my last name, like the other Survivor greats you call by their last name like …” and Jeff interrupts her saying “I already went through this just 2 seasons ago. Whatever.”

          • indescribable hat

            Ugh and then Brad stole it from the beginning of Game Changers for literally just showing up being all masculine and shit.

          • Nope, he got in BvW somewhere down the line.

          • indescribable hat

            Even worse!

          • prettyboyprobst

            Yep. Pre-game she said she has a friend named Sarah, and that she herself is referred to as Dawson.

            But I wouldn’t put it past her to have made that up only to get last name treatment.

          • Yeah…maybe it was a sister to that guy she was kinda seeing who was a big Jeff Kent fan.

      • indescribable hat

        Hey! This was funny! Where are all its upvotes?

        Nice Cheat icon, by the way.

        • TheForRealDeal

          Like Katie, the allocation of upvotes is inscrutable and maddening.

          Thanks!

    • StormofCuteness

      It scares me that I had no clue who you were talking about, and I watched the whole season this week!

      But she’s the beauty pageant gal, right?

  • StormofCuteness

    Here’s the thing that tickles me the most about Malcolm chosing Denise as his alliance so quickly. Not only is she female, but she’s older. Even in this season we see the whole younger people immediately being annoyed by older people trope, but Malcolm doesn’t roll that way at all. In fact, throughout the season he proves himself adept at appreciating the abilities and deficiencies in all people regardless of gender or age or race. This is something I feel I have very rarely seen from any one on Survivor, let alone a 24 year old fit attractive male.

    Since I don’t have your amazing memories? Who else has ever played this way?

    • Rob C?

      • StormofCuteness

        I know he as a podcast now right? Is this the same Rob, RealDeal is talking about?

        Sorry that I am so bad at this.

        • indescribable hat

          Yup, same Rob. Rob Cesternino, from Amazon.

      • Hornacek

        Yes, Rob and Deena was the comparison I was thinking of. Although they didn’t meet until the swap, I always mistakenly remember them as being aligned from the start.

    • TheForRealDeal

      Rob talks about this sort of pairing a lot with regards to Deena.

      • StormofCuteness

        Which season is that?

        • TheForRealDeal

          Amazon. Season 6.

          • StormofCuteness

            Wait, is that one of the seasons Amazon prime doesn’t have? I may not have ever seen it.

          • TheForRealDeal

            Ironically, I think that is the case.

          • StormofCuteness

            😂😂😂

      • We could have had him and Jeanne.

        • StormofCuteness

          Psst, what does this mean? Also, if it’s too exhausting to fill me in, I can look shit up.

          • No worries. Before Amazon, Rob was inspired to align with an older woman after watching Big Brother. During pre-game Ponderosa, he was sizing up Jeanne as a potential alliance mate. That did not work since Jeanne did not make the merge.

          • Blurry Denzel

            Are you also listening to the TEOS for Philippines? He mentions it there.

          • Oh yes I am and yes he does.

          • StormofCuteness

            What is TEOS?

          • It is The Evolution of Stategy, an audiobook where Rob Cesternino and Josh Wigler go into detail on the first 30 seasons of Survivor. It is not free (I bought it for 45 USD a couple of years ago), but it is fun and worth it.

          • Hornacek

            @stormofcuteness:disqus The first chapter of TEOS for Borneo is free, so you can download it and listen to it without paying to see if it’s something you want to pay for the other 29 chapters.

          • StormofCuteness

            Cool, will look into it.

          • I know it’s a month later, but I think that Borneo may not be an accurate gauge for what the later chapters devolve into. I believe Guatemala and Nicaragua are also free if you know the password.

    • Not to the same degree as Malcolm and Rob C, but Cirie has that element to her in some seasons (Panama and Game Changers).

      • StormofCuteness

        I agree with you about Cirie. Somehow I think it’s easier to go younger than older, but that may be my own bias.

        • indescribable hat

          Older people only have to remember to know that younger people are human. Younger people have to imagine.

          Both seem surprisingly challenging.

          • StormofCuteness

            Agreed!! Also, since I was a teacher for so long I’m really used to younger.

        • purplerockandy

          Well then, flip it: Aras. Two of his closest alliances were with Cirie and Tina.

          • Aras’s problem is with older men though. Sure Terry voted for him, but Shane and Bruce didn’t.

    • Could we throw Jay in the mix as well?

      • StormofCuteness

        Hmm, I feel like his didn’t feel very authentic to me, but I wasn’t the Jay fan that many were.

        • That’s why I’m not as sure as I was with Rob C and Cirie.

        • Maritimer

          I think Jay could be included. He and Sunday had a pretty legitimate bond that we didn’t really see, if I recall post game press correctly.

          • StormofCuteness

            My original comment wasn’t just about one pairing, but how he treated everyone regardless of gender, age, race which is why I don’t think Jay fits.

          • But he was close with Figgy and Michaela.

          • StormofCuteness

            Maybe it was just the theme and the edit, but I felt like there was ageism there, but I may be misremembering.

    • indescribable hat

      The Tagi Four were certainly an oddball set. Credit to Richard Hatch? Credit to all of them?

      • I think it is a credit to all of them because the Tagi 4 is a tangled mess of smaller personal relationships.

        • StormofCuteness

          Yes to all of this

      • StormofCuteness

        That 1st season was so great because it feels like none of those 4 would get cast now.

        • indescribable hat

          It was certainly a very cool different thing, but my god, we didn’t get a ton out of Kelly Wiglesworth when they brought her back, you know?

          • BadPlayer91

            Yeah, they made a huge deal about her, and how she was returning after 15 years, and then they kinda seemed to throw it all away. I wasn’t around for Cambodia, and I ain’t no gossip queen, so not sure if there is more to that or she just didn’t too much.

            But from my viewing, I got the impression she just didn’t seem very thrilled to be there. Like, she mostly just seemed bitter about having lost in Borneo (saying it haunted her every single day?) and then resigned to working hard and getting booted eventually. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that she was upset about how different Survivor was, or was unhappy with how the game is played now and thus kinda lost her zest for it.

          • Hornacek

            But she did win the ultimate prize: Joey Amazing.

          • I was just talking about this in a Facebook group for a completely unrrelated pop culture area…yeah, not good.

          • Max_Jets

            They just shouldn’t have cast her again. She’s really not very interesting in Borneo either, other than her position in the game. She’s by far the least interesting of the Tagi 4 and her most memorable moment is being monologued at.

          • sharculese

            Go back and read (yes read because unlike everyone else who got in touch with PRP when they were campaigning for Second Chances Wigglesworth would only do e-mail) her incredibly terse interview with Emma.

            Even before the season started it seemed like she didn’t want to do this, and I always assumed production offered her a bunch of money to come back.

          • As soon as we saw her answers to the interview questions, it’s like you could see everyone involved- Kelly, casting, those of us that voted for her- saying

            http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/a6/a685c6eed09a97fd2572ab08943f3b1c69791fd6b0bd95c1672e0c5d6ba90153.jpg

          • prettyboyprobst

            While all of that is probably true, I believe there were multiple accounts during and after the season of players who spent time with Kelly Wiglesworth on a tribe that season, saying that she was actually very connected in the game and in a great positition until her eventual boot.
            This time she just wasn’t giving production what they wanted (meaning interesting confessionals, not what your dirty mind suggests! – Although, I guess it can be two things. Nevermind.), deservedly resulting in only a minor role in the final edit.

          • Prom King

            So she was like a Danni Boatwright type player rather than disgruntled and disinterested. I much prefer that!

          • prettyboyprobst

            At least that’s how I remember it from all the additional media material I consumed during and after Second Chances.

            I also look at that in a “Good for her!”-kind of way, but you can’t blame production too much for almost editing her out of the season with so many characters there who want the screen time and can deliver.

          • purplerockandy

            For the record: we also did written interviews with Varner and Wentworth (which Emma did over the phone), but that was for our benefit. We didn’t have time to podcast everyone. Either of them would’ve done podcasts with us.

            We also started an email interview with Peih Gee that we never finished. We should’ve just called her. That was a crazy time. And way too busy. But fun. (I believe we haven’t done another interview since – our choice).

        • Maritimer

          I think Hatch might. Kelly almost certainly would not. Other two would be bubble I think.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            TBF, Kelly actually was cast just a few seasons ago. And I suspect Joe del Campo and Trish were cast in the hope that they’d be Rudy and Sue, respectively.

          • Maritimer

            True. But that was because they needed her for SC. I don’t think she’s dynamic enough to get cast as a first timer now
            I thought about the Rudy/Joe thing, at its probably true. But I think Joe is an argument they wouldn’t try for a Rudy again – they can’t cast someone as crotchety as Rudy for fear of them saying non-PC things and then you just have a boring old guy.
            I never thought of the Trish/Sue comparison. I considered putting her with Hatch because aggressive older woman is something I could see them trying for again

          • StormofCuteness

            I agree with you.

          • Alycia Swift

            Rudy would be too old. Sue would still be cast.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Sue is a slam dunk. Kooky older lady, crazy accent, drinks beaver poop. She’d get on any season.

            (Edit: Now that I think of it, she’s not that old. She just fits that casting niche well. Maybe she’s just ‘kooky lady’.)

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Agreed, although it’s not like Malcolm or Denise had any viable alternative partners on Matsing.

      I think it’s an extremely strong move to form an “Odd Couple” partnership. Others that come to mind: JT/Stephen, Earl/Yau-Man, to an extent Tony/Trish.

      • StormofCuteness

        Well, I guess I’m saying a lesser guy would have made an a main alliance with Angie.

      • Dawn and Cochran?

        • StormofCuteness

          Ooh, good one!

      • StormofCuteness

        Earl and Yau-man is a great pair!

      • All of Casaya.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I think the spirit of the question is more about symbiotic relationships deliberately sought out. Everything about Casaya was an accident.

          • A magnificent, glorious accident. Even the way they chose each other, with their awful reads on each other, was a fantastic disaster.

          • “He has a tattoo of Boston…he must be from Boston. There is no way he would name his child after my hometown”.

          • sharculese

            Shane and Courtney, then.

          • Hornacek

            “I don’t have a shitty apartment!”

          • sharculese

            *ahem*

            It’s “how do you know if my apartment is shitty?”

            Because Courtney was as crazy as he was. That’s what makes them great.

          • Hornacek

            I was going by the quotes on the description of this exchange on the Funny 115: http://funny115.com/v2/30.htm

            Sometimes Mario Lanza makes up funny quotes, but for this exchange I think he uses the actual quotes. After Shane says “I’ll drive up and I’ll kill you in your shitty little apartment. And I’ll drive over to my club and that’ll be it.” she says the “I don’t have a shitty apartment.” line.

      • Tony and Trish had being middle-aged and coming from the Northeast.

      • Alycia Swift

        Dave/Ken.

        • sharculese

          Has Ken in it, does not compute.

    • Diego Armando

      Earl quickly decided to align with Yau-Man.

      • indescribable hat

        Weren’t they just the brainy dudes over 30? It’s been a long time since I saw Fiji, but I don’t remember them being an unexpected pair.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Not to take any shine away from either of them, but Yau-Man probably benefited from Earl’s social game, and Earl probably benefited from Yau-Man’s knowledge of the game.

    • BadPlayer91

      Given that my focus is on early seasons right now, I’d say all the first 3 seasons have some weird FTC combos. Hatch and Wigglesworth? Colby and Tina? Kim and Ethan? Maybe not as “odd couple” as others, but certainly not the people I’d expect at the end together.

      • Colby and Tina is not such an oddball pairing. Both are from the South and religious.

        • BadPlayer91

          Ah, this is true. I was basing it mostly off my first impressions. Looking over the tribes in the first episode, I don’t think I would have put them together versus some of the other people, except that I knew the final two, lol. I definitely did not expect Colby to side the Tina and Kieth over Amber and Jerri in the beginning, but props to him for leaning the right way. Silas would get a similar choice in Africa, and he chose the younger fun people, which eventually was a big part of his boot.

        • corndogshuffle

          Colby isn’t from the South, he’s from Texas. It’s different. Just ask a Texan.

  • purplerockandy

    If anyone needs to know, Jeff Kent’s career earnings was $86 million.

    He’s been on the HOF ballot for five years now, and was on 16.7% of the ballots this year (well short of the 75% you need for inclusion).

    • Hornacek

      There’s a GIF showing his annual earning in his entry in the new Funny 115 list, totaling $86M

    • BadPlayer91

      Is the takeway that he was good enough at baseball to get very rich, or that he wasn’t good enough to get into the hall of fame?

      • Taako From Teevhii

        It’s both, though I think he belongs in the Hall and is being kept out for stupid reasons.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          To be clear, @badplayer91:disqus, the stupid reason isn’t that he was juicing, it’s that he was an asshole to reporters. I also think he should be in the HOF, but it’s far from a slam-dunk case, so if we’re going through a period where it’s getting tougher and tougher to get in, he’s exactly the type of player who’s going to get left out.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            To be clearer, the stupid reason I was referencing was that the Hall refuses to address the ballot size issue, but it can be two things.

      • Purplerockmatt

        He is a very good baseball player who is good enough to stay on the ballot (if you fall below 5% you are removed from the ballot) but not good enough to actually make it into the hall.

      • purplerockandy

        He’s in the Hall of Very Good. In other sports, he’d be a Hall of Famer with his numbers. Baseball is pretty picky and there’s a lot of backlog now that we’re dealing with the consequences of voters being sanctimonious with their votes vis a vis the steroids era.

    • sharculese

      How much of that money did he spend trying to stop gay people from getting married?

      • Purple Rock Emma

        More than I’d like.

        • sharculese

          Wouldn’t that just be like any of it at all?

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Yes.

          • BadPlayer91

            Cheers to this conversation.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Unrelated to Jeff Kent but bc ITT: Baseball, I failed to properly Constanza my lineups and left 10 homers on the bench this week. And I’ll still probably beat Andy! Just wanted to make that trash talk public, that’s all.

  • Figaro

    I had forgotten that this was the first season with three starting tribes. It’s really funny to see the tribe chyrons with Tribe 1, Tribe 2, and Tribe 3 on them, as if the editors were concerned that viewers would get confused.

    • Hornacek

      All Stars had 3 starting tribes. This was the second time they did it.

      Yeah, I did notice the “TRIBE #” chyrons. They really thought the viewers would get confused by the 3 tribes.

      • Figaro

        Ah, I haven’t seen All Stars yet! I suppose it’s due to the fact that it was almost ten years earlier that they decided to use the Tribe# chyrons to help viewers adjust. Although I suspect they underestimated people’s intelligence a little there.

        • Hornacek

          They do tend to underestimate the viewers’ intelligence, however not all viewers are as attentive and intelligent as us internet fans. I’m sure some of the casuals were confused. “Wait, there are three tribes? Which one are we watching now?”

          One World was the first season where everyone lived on the same tribe from the start. I think for the first episode they had onscreen chyrons during some dialogue scenes because the producers were convinced viewers would not be able to keep all the players straight.

          • StormofCuteness

            I am one of those lame viewers who needs constant name reminders.

          • Hornacek

            The name chyrons in the first episode of One World reminded me of the Fox network when they aired NHL games back in the 90s (?) and they responded to viewers’ complaint about the puck being hard to see by putting a glowing circle around the puck. And when a player shot the puck they would put an arrow-shaped animation to indicate the direction.

            Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grOttsHuuzE

            Anyway, in both cases it just feels like the network doesn’t think the audience is smart enough. Yes, in the first episode of a season they’re all new characters (well, usually) and it takes awhile to figure everyone out. But viewers had been doing it for 23 seasons, I guess they thought with everyone living on the same beach we’d be hopelessly lost.

          • corndogshuffle

            This glowing puck is one of the most 1995 things I think I have ever seen.

    • indescribable hat

      And who finds that easier to keep track of than the colors, huh?

    • Maritimer

      it’s funny, because as someone who never learns tribe names, that still would help me. I tend to think of tribes in terms of people, like the Penner tribe, the Abi tribe, and the Malcolm and Denise tribe

  • Maritimer

    Is there an audio only version that I’m too stupid to find? I was going to listen on the drive I have to make later but don’t want to have to stream the video

    • Hornacek

      Assuming this will be added to the normal PR podcast feed sometime today.

      To match the visual problems with the video, I’m assuming they are still working on removing all of Emma’s audio from the podcast version so we can only hear Matt.

    • Purplerockmatt

      audio only will be up today.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        The GC finale podcast got uploaded by mistake.

        • It should be fixed.

        • Alkanarra

          John and Andy were jealous of all the viewers and wanted a cheap boost to their numbers.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            The patriarchy is really holding Emma down.

          • Hornacek

            Fight the power Emma!

        • sharculese

          Good thing “Game Changers finale” and “mistake” go together like peanut butter and jelly.

          • BadPlayer91

            *claps*

    • It should be up now.

      • Maritimer

        Thank you!

  • Diego Armando

    I will be out of town this weekend, so this is going to be a good driving Podcast. I will be commenting on the next episode though.

    • Hornacek

      But by listening to the audio version instead of watching the video you miss out on almost an hour of watching Matt!

    • Mike Hirsch

      This was what I did! It was a good listen on the drive up to Maine.

      • Hornacek

        Are yuo going to see Bob Crowley?

        • Mike Hirsch

          Not specifically but I will keep an eye out!

          • Hornacek

            Bring us all back a handmade bow-tie.

  • purplerockandy

    The audio version of the podcast is now available, which is probably the better way to experience this one given the technical issues.

    On that note, a discussion topic for the day:
    What is the best 80s TV show theme song?

    Facts of Life isn’t the answer, but I feel it can be in the discussion like Jeff Kent is in the HoF discussion.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Perfect Strangers. next topic

      • Hornacek

        NEXT ISSUE!!!

    • sharculese

      It’s Cheers. How is that even in question?

      • purplerockandy

        We’re pretty sure that’s correct, but we’re doing the research.

        Golden Girls?
        The Greatest American Hero?

        • sharculese

          I grew up in the 90s. I cant hear the GAH theme without auto-translating it to “believe it or not, George isnt at home.”

          • purplerockandy

            Nor should you.

          • sharculese

            My brother’s longtime girlfriend, who I lived with for two years, recorded herself singing it as her voicemail message. Unfortunately, unlike Jason Alexander, she is not a trained Broadway performer, so it was just her screaming into a shitty cell phone mic. Every time I had to call her I would think, “please don’t go to voicemail, please don’t go to voicemail.”

          • StormofCuteness

            Hahahahaha!

          • Hornacek

            “Where could I be?”

            The best part about that parody is (besides it being awesome) they played it in its entirety twice.

          • I am seeing you shrug your shoulders right now.

          • Hornacek

            I bumped my shoulders and now they move involuntarily.

        • Alycia Swift

          Wasn’t the latter 1978? Not sure and too lazy to look it up.

      • The first three that came to mind for me: Cheers, Golden Girls, Growing Pains.

      • StormofCuteness

        I agree!

        Also, add Mash to the instrumental list.

        • purplerockandy

          Disqualified: it debuted with the movie and in the 70s.

          • Hornacek

            Plus the movie version is not an instrumental.

          • StormofCuteness

            Well, duh.

          • Hornacek

            The first time I saw the movie I had already been watching the series for years. It weirded me out during the opening credits to hear someone singing “Suicide is painless …”

          • Somehow, little me knew that so I always sung at least the “Sucide is Painless” part when the song came on before I had seen the movie.

          • StormofCuteness

            Oh, for me too. It totally freaked me out that the song was about suicide! Changed how I heard it from then on and added a lot more pathos to my feelings about it.

          • sharculese

            If it helps, “Suicide is Painless” isn’t really about anything. Altman wanted the lyrics to be dumb gibberish, so he took the music and gave it to his teenage son to put words to.

          • StormofCuteness

            Ummm, have you read the lyrics lately?
            http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/johnny+mandel/suicide+is+painless_20801409.html

            Doesn’t feel like gibberish to me. Even references the most famous suicide speech of all time, To be or not to be. I’d say his son did all right, and I still find it pretty depressing.

          • StormofCuteness

            I know both of these things.

            Sheesh, picky picky.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        Late to this convo, but here’s why Golden Girls is better. I can sing you two lines of the Cheers theme – it’s the two lines that everyone knows. I can sing you the entire Golden Girls theme. My familiarity with theses shows is about the same.

    • Hornacek

      Agree about Perfect Strangers.

      Tied for second: Family Ties, Growing Pains, Cheers

      Instrumental theme: Hill Street Blues, The A-Team, Night Court.

      • purplerockandy

        Good call. We may need two categories here. Instrumental and vocals.

    • prettyboyprobst

      Not locking anything in yet, but for now I’m going with…

      DuckTales? DuckTales.

    • Kemper Boyd
      • Hornacek

        My father’s name is Cyril so this show held a special place in my heart.

        (No, my real name is not Cedric)

      • purplerockandy

        Good to see that this made it over the pond. Quintessentially Canadian.

        • Hornacek

          Raccoons on Ice!!!

    • Kemper Boyd
      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        If you’re going kids TV, aren’t you required by the UK Constitution to support Thomas the Tank Engine?

        • Kemper Boyd

          Original with Ringo or terrible new? Also the theme tune isn’t that great.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Whoever was narrating when I made the mistake of buying a Thomas DVD for my 3-year-old in 2004.

          • StormofCuteness

            Must be Ringo.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Probably the new terrible one. Ringo was ok.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Also we don’t have a constitution, well we do but it’s unwritten.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            THAT’S THE JOKE

    • Blurry Denzel

      Golden Girls is my answer and a song I’ve actually done at karaoke.

    • Yo Ho

      I remember this Maureen McGovern hit, because I’m old.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Sticking with Silver Spoons.

    • Alycia Swift

      Well if it does not require lyrics, the theme from Star Trek: TNG which I think started in 1988.

      • purplerockandy

        Decided to disqualify it for being an interpretation of the original theme.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Zane had a bold strategy. It wasn’t a good strategy. But it was bold.

  • indescribable hat

    My favorite Carter moment is in episode two when he’s cutting up the bamboo with Jeff Kent. He’s completely silent and the scene is not about him, but it is the Least Clothed Carter in underwear and sneakers.

  • Hornacek

    Just finished watching the video.

    My favorite Carter moment of these episodes (I already mentioned it in my Episode #1 notes) was when he jumped off the boat with a chicken in his hand, and he manages to land so that the chicken doesn’t go in the water. I think it’s all one move but he immediately tosses the chicken onto the raft. It’s quick but pretty cheap, and like all great Carter moments, he doesn’t say anything.

    At the end when Emma and Matt were talking about believing in yourself I think if we had been able to see Emma we would have seen a replica of this banner on the wall behind her:
    http://funny115.com/v1/19_450.jpg

  • Hornacek

    And of course, if we’re talking about Jeff Kent and Penner, we have to hear what Penner currently thinks about him.

    https://youtu.be/RTO4gKM7DSs?t=1677 (video cued to Penner’s opinion of Jeff Kent)

    • StormofCuteness

      Yeah, that’s pretty definitive.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Completely off-topic: The property manager I’ve been dealing with sucks, and I know everyone has that problem, but I just want reasons to post this gif.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/75fcabba278fa4ba3250b6e5b1e0a048949cb059056d15f531ec19a2bff7b61f.gif

    • BadPlayer91

      Veep is a constant joy and reminder that even terrible people can succeed.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        2016-17 are two years of terrible people succeeding, so not too many reminders needed for that. The joy is nice tho

      • Lately I’ve been seeking reminders that they can fail. Luckily, other countries have been helping out on that front.

        • StormofCuteness

          So much this!

        • Kemper Boyd

          I work in politics they succeed at every level. It’s amazing. We’ve just had 76 people killed in a fucking high rise fire because of the levels of incompetency from local government.

  • indescribable hat

    What is with Pete’s chyron? There are a lot of engineering jobs around! Is it there just to taunt me with the thought that mine would say Engineering Dropout?

    My actual theory is that he was working in something other than engineering but they wanted to underline that he’s secretly brainy. I suppose he could easily be a recent graduate still job hunting, but Engineering Graduate always strikes me as an odd label.

    • My guess is that he’s just unemployed. Or is a bartender/model/barista.

      • indescribable hat

        Given my idea of Pete as a smart guy who makes inexplicable choices, I feel like it’s probably your second guess, and goodness knows they have plenty of those chyrons.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I figured maybe he had just graduated before filming, but John’s model theory is certainly plausible.

    • sharculese

      The charitable explanation is that he was a grad student and they didn’t write the whole thing out

      • indescribable hat

        I thought about that, but why not just Engineering Student, as they would for someone in med school or law school? Who cares if we wonder if he’s an elderly undergrad?

        …I am thinking too much about this.

        • sharculese

          I actually did detective work on this and found the answer. Basically after Pete graduated from college he just dicked around for a little while trying to become a model and only went on Survivor because his mom told him it was time to get a real job.

          https://www.stevens.edu/news/stevens-alumnus-pete-yurkowski-compete-survivor-philippines

          The page is fucked but you can read it if you look at the source code.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            What a hero.

          • indescribable hat

            That is not a terribly surprisingly answer, but I’m impressed that you hunted it down.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Almost as weird as calling someone “pre-med” or “pre-law” in their chyron, in my opinion. I work at a university and it feels like about 75% of incoming freshman declare pre-med on their application, while far far fewer actually end up as doctors. Although it’s a pleasant surprise when someone like Eliza starts out as pre-law, comes back as a law student and is now a practicing attorney. In other words, go Eliza 😀

      • Candice is another example. In Cook Islands, she was a pre-med student. Then she turns down Micronesia because of medical school. In HvV she is a resident.

      • indescribable hat

        Pre-med at least indicates a certain sort of student, one who is taking the required science courses and descending slowly into madness until they change their mind. Pre-law I guess is a major some places, but otherwise just means you kind of think you might go to law school if you don’t think of a better idea.

        • Maritimer

          I think you mean “you don’t come to your senses and pick literally anything other than law school”

          • indescribable hat

            Oh absolutely.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          True! It just makes me twitch a bit because the school I work at is mostly low income/first generation students and sometimes it feels like the only idea they’ve ever considered at matriculation is pre-med, even if they have absolutely no scientific aptitude. Luckily most of them get sorted out eventually 🙂

    • StormofCuteness

      I would never have learned the word chyron were it not for Survivor. Yet another reason for my doubting friends and family.

    • Mike Hirsch

      This reminds me of The Amazing Race season with Millie and Chuck (Dating for 12 Years – Virgins) and how for that season it awkwardly colored some of the other teams (“Amanda and Chris – Dating”). I feel like Television Without Pity noticed that and imagined Amanda or Chris watching with their grandmother and having to explain why their chyron was different.
      Good times.

      • indescribable hat

        If you have that sort of grandmother, all you have to do is act very coy and shocked that anyone would discuss such matters with a TV show.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Also didn’t Mille and Chuck’s chyron change to just “dating 12 years” at some point?

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Nice.

  • Fun story time: the only reason why I am aware of the Phillies being a thing is that my alma mater produced one of their bigger stars. That’s why I now have to sorta care about the White Sox.

    • sharculese

      Huh, that is not the reason I would have guessed you would be aware of the Phillies.

    • Blurry Denzel

      No one should have to care about the White Sox.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I’ve latched onto the Jays until 2020. It’s a painful existence.

        • Blurry Denzel

          I’m just hoping Aaron Judge lives forever.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            For fantasy reasons, at least through September

      • Agreed

    • Taako From Teevhii

      THOME!

      • Nope.

        • TheForRealDeal

          ASCHE!

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Um, I’m pretty sure Kodiyashi was from Japan. Though if BJ gives the Phillie I’m sure I could get the Southsider

          • I am so confused.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Who’s the player from your alma mater?

          • Ryan Howard.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Oh, so we’re talking Jake Burger with the Sox. I hope he produces enough that you have more reason to care about the Sox (though I will say that there were still better picks on the board when we took him).

          • I mean I am a still an intermittently cardinals first and foremost. But it’s cool to see people from my university going to the major league. I had a former student on that team but he ended up being a DH, so I think his major leage chances were dashed.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            No doubt, no doubt; the team comes first. The White Sox drafted someone from my school and I actively resented it because I thought it was a bad pick.

          • Apparently the White Sox is Jake’s favorite team, so this is like a dream come true for him.

          • Who?

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Well I didn’t watch these episodes because I figured I’d be giving birth and coming home with a newborn this week. But alas, I’m still pregnant a week after my due date >:[ Induction is scheduled for Monday, so maybe I’ll pass the time this weekend watching the episodes and listening to the podcast…

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Poor thing! Good luck 🙂

    • Hopefully you have some good ac!

    • StormofCuteness

      Holy real life events, Ms. Sweaterman! I am so excited for you, and I hope everything goes quicker than it seems at this moment. *hugs*

    • Mike Hirsch

      Ah, inducement memories. Best of luck for a speedy one!

    • Kemper Boyd

      Congrats on Baby Sweaterfan when they show up. I was a week late and I was still only like 6 pounds so fingers crossed for you.

    • Alkanarra

      Be careful about binging too much though. You don’t want to go into delivery and the only thing you can hear is Probst shouting “you gotta dig deep!”

      But seriously best wishes and all. I hear Cookie is a great baby name.

    • Violina23

      Good luck!! Wishing you an easy delivery 😊😊

    • Happy birthday, Lil’ Sweaterfan!

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Hey @sharculese:disqus, neither of us started a TAZ thread, so here goes: This one was bad and not good with one exception. It felt again like an episode of “Pick an activity and Griffin will tell you how that goes.” Obviously Taako and Lip were great, but I’m glad there’s only one episode left in this arc.

    • sharculese

      But I’m enjoying “pick an activity and Griffin tells you how that goes!”

      I don’t want it to last forever, and, honestly, I’m also glad this is the penultimate episode, but this has been a fun breather. This episode also had a lot of the scene setting I wanted out of Stolen Century – How Lucretia became the director, discovering what the voidfish, (sorry, Fisher) can do, the lich stuff. We needed that to get everything in place.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I’m not a huge fan of the format of this arc, but there are still some fun moments. Everyone seemed to enjoy making their gifts. Taako’s terrible aphorisms made me laugh. However, the format is less effective at character development and advancing the plot in my opinion.

  • Violina23

    Holy god, I had no idea out Skupin. I *did* have to google it. I wish I hadn’t.

    DAMINT Survivor contestants that I looked back on semi-fondly. Can you NOT do horrible things to other people? PLEASE??

    • BadPlayer91

      It will certainly change how you feel during a re-watch of Australian Outback. I’m not saying I would wish falling-into-a-fire upon anyone, but it did make me a bit more apathetic to the situation.

      Also, you can follow that up with cackling at Jeff Varner as he gets a post-merge pre-jury boot.

      Oh joyous Hindsight!

  • prettyboyprobst

    To everyone who goes through 54 minutes of podcasting like it’s nothing and isn’t above adding contemporary podcasts to their season’s rewatch diet, I have some recommendations to make.
    Let me just lay out some of your options:

    – The Tribe was still at its best at that time. The production value is above and beyond anything I’ve seen from other TV-podcasts before and after them. John, Adam and Paul are still the regular hosts (although having “guest hosts” and guests was a pretty common occurrence even then), and Paul was at the height of his Survivor Stump game.
    http://survivorpodcast.com/2012/page/3/

    – Survivor Philippines also marks the official launch of the Survivor Know-It-Alls series with Rob and Stephen.
    (the first ever KIA covers episode 2 – which is some good trivia to know, in case it comes up in a PRP offseason quiz)

    – the line-up for Rob’s regular recaps was also nothing to sneeze at: His first three guests that season were Yul*, Kim and Aras (followed by Yau Man for ep.4).
    http://robhasawebsite.com/shows/survivor/survivor-philippines-survivor/

    – Of course Jo Ann and Stacy were also doing their thing (recap+interview+feedback-show)
    http://joannandstacyshow.libsyn.com/webpage/year/2012/month/10/page/2/size/10

    * I was surprised to hear him refer to a possibly upcoming swap/3-tribes-to-2-contraction as “first merge”, almost 4 years before Australian Survivor aired. He also had some good advice for Rupert’s campaign for Governor (“lose the tie-dye and shave, maybe?”), shared some concerns over the downsides of political newbies getting voted into office that ring painfully true today, and was just generally a treat to listen to.

  • StormofCuteness

    Zomg, I go away and come back to find my very first featured comment!
    *easily excited* 🎉💃