Purple Rock Survivor Podcast: Philippines Watch-Along Episodes 13-15

Emily and Matt wrap up their summer re-watch coverage of Survivor: Philippines.

NOTICE: Because this podcast is unedited, there may be some curse words throughout. Those listening with younger people around might want to choose not to this time. Jesus Christ, Matt’s attitude is a problem.

Purple Rock Survivor podcast: Survivor Philippines episodes 13-15

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Emma and Matt have taken over the podcast to talk about one of their all-time favorite seasons of Survivor. In this podcast, we talk about:

  • Finally being rid of Abi
  • Sugar highs
  • Fallen Comrades
  • The tragedy of Malcolm’s shaky hands
  • Who thought they were winning
  • Denise is so great
  • Trolling Jeff Probst

Thanks for watching along with us!

  • Hornacek

    Episode #13

    Oh look, Abi’s trying to be strategic by lying to Lisa. That’s so adorable, she thinks she’s playing the game.

    Skupin picks Malcolm and Denise for reward, and tells Denise she can have all his food while he’s gone. I guess that hug Abi forced on him after he won the reward didn’t get her anything.

    Abi doesn’t get picked for the reward, and *that’s* what proves to her that she’s on the bottom of the alliance? Hasn’t she been paying attention the last few episodes?

    Denise deserves to win just for spending a day alone with Abi without killing her.

    Another forgotten gem – Skupin’s sugar rush. That image of him feeding Lisa a cookie off of the flipper – shudder.

    “Too late Larry”?

    I guess at tribal Abi forgot about trying to win over Lisa and Skupin and just decided to call him an idiot and a moron for no reason.

    Who is Penner giving the finger to? Lisa? (I guess, based on his jury question later)

    I’m assuming as Skupin is dancing out of tribal he’s singing “Ding don’t the witch is dead”.

  • Hornacek

    Finale

    My takeaway from Probst’s season-recap: Jeff Kent was a superfan?

    So the final 4 gets treemail about a challenge, but they don’t know if it’s for reward or immunity. And neither do the viewers … until they flash the #REWARDCHALLENGE hashtag onscreen. Way to ruin the surprise, Survivor.

    For those that complain that having a reward challenge that gives you an advantage in the final immunity challenge is too powerful, this is the rebuttal (sorry Malcolm).

    For all the talk of how great a physical player Malcolm is, I’d forgotten how great he was with the puzzles too.

    When does Malcolm realize that he’s not winning this final immunity challenge? When he walks in and saw the challenge? Or after Jeff described it?

    Skupin’s wife told him before the season “Make us proud of you.” Too bad he didn’t remember to do that in his real life (rim-shot).

    Malcolm gets voted out. Whose idea was it to to hurt us again so soon after watching Malcolm get voted out in Game Changers?

    Denise finishes her opening speech. At this point the jury should have just stood up and said “Ok, she’s the winner.”

    The jury asks the final 3 questions one at a time? What kind of archaic system is this?

    Carter is asking about zzzzzzzz …

    Denise answers Petebro’s question by inferring how dumb he and Tandang were at the merge not to just vote out the Kalabaw members.

    Penner’s question/speech is as eloquent, wordy and funny as you’d expect. I still wish he hadn’t outed Lisa though. I don’t think it made a difference, but still not a good look for him, despite how he said he wasn’t bitter.

    SKOOPIN

    According to gossip Skupin was so sure that he had won that he was telling people that. How could he have sat through that final tribal and thought that?

    I’m ashamed to say that during this rematch I could not remember who the victims of Newtown, Connecticut were.

    • Newtown, Connecticut=Sandy Hook

      Also, remember that Skupin only pays attention to Skupin.

  • Who’s Emily?

    • indescribable hat

      He meant Emiliah.

  • Also, quick fun fact=Skupin may have been lying about his sugar intake since the last reward he had in AO was the infamous Mountain Dew and Doritos.

    • sharculese

      This is truly the worst deception Skupin has ever perpetrated.

  • sharculese

    Fun fact of the week: I had to look up something about the Sunset Rubdown album Dragonslayer, and, when you go to the Wikipedia disambiguation for the phrase “dragon slayer,” Coach’s page is listed.

  • Max_Jets

    PRP Staff Rankings based on new information about their Twin Peaks appreciation
    1. Matt – watches Twin Peaks
    2. Mark – is sometimes confused with Matt
    3. The others – eh

    • Hornacek

      People aren’t watching the new Twin Peaks?

      HELLOOOOOOOOOOO!

  • Hornacek

    Reunion

    I really hope the rumor is true that, before the reunion, Carter told the other jury members that if Jeff asked a hypothetical “If Malcolm is in the finale 3” question, they should say that they wouldn’t vote for him. Because (a) it’s fun that the players would be trolling Jeff, and (b) it makes Carter more interesting.

    What is up with Penner’s hair?

    Thank you Lisa for trolling Jeff Kent by saying “A million dollars … or even 600 thousand.”

    Why are Angie and Russell sitting in the others’ spot?

    Probst finally says thank you to the audience. About damn time!

    Abi says she has a lot of growing to do. I guess she decided to wait until after Second Chances to start.

    Artis isn’t always angry, he just has the angry version of Resting Bitch Face.

    Carter was hungry.

    Good on Probst for being a good sport with Dawson. And good job on keeping the camera on him the whole time.

    Boy that next season sounds great. 10 superfans!

    I hope Andy puts the Magnum, P.I. theme at the end of this podcast.

    • Maritimer

      That kind of Carter story is what makes me sad that Carter was that way on the show because he seems to be actually funny but it either didn’t pop on camera or he wasn’t like that on the island

    • BadPlayer91

      Regarding good ole Abi: When I first watched Philippines and Second Chances, it was back to back, unintentionally. So, for me, it was SUPER frustrating to see her basically act the same in Cambodia as she did in the Philippines. Particularly because the narrative of her transformation would have been amazing. Instead, she falls back into the same mannerisms, but hides them behind a facade of being nice and self aware, which she isn’t.

      That all being said, I would not be surprised to hear she was goaded or steered into some of that behavior. Production wanted to push the ‘second chances’ narrative, but I’m sure they were also aware that not everyone was going to have a fascinating metamorphosis. And if Abi didn’t seem ‘changed,’ it wouldn’t take much to tip her back to Philippines and get all that juicy drama. And they got it, a lot of the late post-merge and early pre-merge revolve around Abi and those dealing with her, same as Philippines but with more agression, lol.

      • Hornacek

        Abi’s “change” in SC lasted about 15 (?) minutes until she lost her bracelet. Even if that hadn’t happened, I don’t for a second believe that she would have been a changed person. After Philippines I heard from people on RHAP episodes that Abi was a nice person in real life, but what Rob C often says it that you can’t be a character on Survivor – the show reveals who you really are. And Abi is just a miserable person to be around – if she’s playing a character, it’s more likely that when she’s not on Survivor she’s playing a character i.e. a nice not-insane person.

        I’m one of the few people that don’t seem to dislike RC, but I completely understand her decision (according to gossip) not to submit her name for SC when she was told that Abi was also in the mix.

        • BadPlayer91

          I don’t disagree with you for the most part. My main point was: The best outcome for production was either Abi was completely changed, so they could spin that narrative, or she wasn’t changed at all, so they could get the drama. Given everything you said, it seemed like the first was not going to happen, so production would want the second. And they got it.

          • I think when Abi comes back (yes I said when…she is a given for a Villains slot), we will see if she has really changed.

            Also, does anyone else feel like someone Punked her by taking that bracelet? I have heard inklings that Vytas did it, but I have also that Production did it.

          • BadPlayer91

            Would not be surprised at ALL if either did. I mean, it defined an early part of the game. Also, i agree that we will see more Abi, but i think we are less likely to see a change here then we were for Cambodia. That season was all about changes and improving, and she didn’t. If she comes back again, it will likely be as a Villain (or some other bullshit word they use in the theme), and at the point she and everyone else will know the shtich. It would actually be weirder if she came back for HvV2 and was nice, then being the exact same on the ‘become better’ season. lol

          • I mean, it’s Abi and anything is possible. Also, Abi was in contention for Game Changers, which would have been better than a certain fan favorite.

          • BadPlayer91

            Really? Wow, that is a VERY curious thing. I mean, just the differences in this case if they added Abi. My immediate reaction is that the majority of the PRP community, and more, would HATE that. BUT, then i think about the season, and how it panned out, and I’m thinking maybe it wouldn’t have been the worse.

            Sandra would have LOVED Abi. I would have LOVED watching Sandra deal with Abi. I LOVE SANDRA. Maybe Sandra could have latched on to Abi as the weirdest meat shield possible. She’d be like “Hey, sure, vote me out, but what about this hot angry mess?”

            Thank you Barbara for this amazing late afternoon mind explosion.

          • Super duper fan

            Eh, I wouldn’t mind that personally. I really enjoyed her presence in both seasons she played, and I think she only improves it rather than detracts from it.

          • BadPlayer91

            Oh, I agree with you (partially, I could NEVER even with Abi, but I enjoy watching her be terrible), but I’m just guessing (and maybe I’m wrong?) that the majority of PRP-ers wouldn’t be thrilled with Game Changer Abi.

            And honestly, if our exhausting discussions of Abi (on multiple occasions) prove nothing else, it’s that there is a better argument for her as a game changer than a handful of the actual cast. Probably even Sarah before the season…

          • You are welcome. If you are interested, I can hook you up with the list of those in contention, but beware: it will make you wish that those left behind were in Game Changers

          • BadPlayer91

            I would love to see that list, and I accept the potential of cursing and weeping.

          • BadPlayer91

            I started to read through this, and it got me very excited, and then I noticed all the details below, and I had to work VERY hard not to read all the placements and spoil myself over and over. But I did get spoiled on Guatemala, so there’s that. I’ll have to bookmark and come back in like, 6-12 months, when i’m finished. lol

          • Oh my gosh, I am so sorry. I didn’t mean to spoil.

          • BadPlayer91

            Oh, no problem, not your fault at all. I’ve accepted spoilers as a part of being on the site, and regardless I’d never blame someone else for that.

            Plus, I asked for it, lol

          • I still feel bad though.

          • BadPlayer91

            Honestly, don’t. I only saw one winner I didn’t know, and I’ve forgotten the name and season, so it will be one of those where i’ve got a hunch but i’m not sure. Which isn’t that bad, because it allows for very interesting viewing.

          • Alycia Swift

            Can you picture Brad, Tai or Micheala trying to deal with her?

          • BadPlayer91

            You know what, I can picture Brad or Tai, because we watched them deal with Debbie. I mean, Abi may lose her cool, but she’s never done a screaming, laughing hysteric toddler fit. Tai and Brad marched onward through that admirably.

            However, watching Michaela deal with it, would be a joy. Because Michaela, is BAE. I’ll watch her deal with anybody. Michaela vs. Abi would probably produce at least half a dozen amazing quotes. How could it not? You can’t contain greatness!

        • I think Abi suffers from Alicia Calaway syndrome as Rob talks about in TEOS: Both are extremely nice in real life, but awful on the island.

          • Hornacek

            I’ve never met a Survivor in real life but I find it hard to believe that a person could be awful on the show but be 100% opposite in real life.

            Prove me wrong, fate, by letting me meet some Survivors to form a sample size!

          • indescribable hat

            I don’t know, I know some people in real life who are generally lovely, but maybe they get hangry or maybe they’re cranky when they’re tired or maybe they don’t handle high stress well. In real life, they manage these tendencies by carrying granola bars or whatever, but I wouldn’t want to see them on Survivor where they can’t escape the thing that they don’t deal well with.

          • Super duper fan

            I personally don’t find believing that a dehydrated, food-deprived and game paranoid person may be harder to deall with, especially if they have a higher temperament (which I guess Abi has).

          • Hornacek

            Wasn’t Abi pretty awful mere days into this season, when she was in a majority alliance and had lots of food and water?

          • Super duper fan

            I didn’t participated in the rewatch, but from what I remember, it was just her being overly paranoid on RC, and her being “dead to her” based on that panaroia. I of course may be wrong, but That’s how I remember it.

          • sharculese

            Yeah, Abi’s problem is less food and more that, the second paranoia starts to creep in, her instinctive response is “hello, darkness, my old friend.”

          • Hornacek

            I mean, the start of the end of her friendship with RC was that she saw RC talking with Skupin. If you are friends with Abi, you are not allowed to talk to anyone else. Ever.

          • BadPlayer91

            I feel like Abi was born to be on reality tv, but she chose the wrong one. Drop her in Real World or Jersey Shore or any Real Housewives franchise, she’s be golden.

          • Hornacek

            Exactly. She belongs on one of those shows, not Survivor. I understand the argument that she makes a great villain and creates conflict and drama, but if someone does all of that I want them to be a good player. Abi is not a good player.

          • BadPlayer91

            I am one of those people who really likes watching others deal with Abi, for the exact reason that she is unlike anyone else. She’s the ultimate wildcard, in the form of a double-edged sword. But I understand and accept that this is not everyone’s cup of tea.

          • sharculese

            I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again (and may be writing a longer piece about it for the site), Survivor needs some bad players. Watching people navigate dealing with Abi is fascinating to me. I want to see who tries to touch the hot stove and how they get burned.

          • Yes. The people who choose to deal with Abi vs the people who avoid Abi vs. The people who are stuck with Abi are three extremely interesting dynamics.

          • Alycia Swift

            I always wonder why the second and third group just don’t get together to vote her out.

          • Because Abi is still a part of that third group.

          • Maritimer

            I think as mentioned below its circumstance, but also there are people, as we all know from roommate experiences, who are fun to hang out with but hell to live with. I’m not sure if Abi fits this but others who were hated by their castmates – Sierra from Tocantins comes to mind – may fit into this

          • Everyone from Tocantins still hates Sierra to this day IIRC.

        • Also about RC and Cambodia: a part of me feels like she couldn’t handle being rejected while Abi would clearly get on.

          • Hornacek

            Possible, but then again she did win the RHAP Miss Survivor over Kim (the Goddess) and Chelsea. It’s a microcosm of the Second Chances vote, but she was able to galvanize a lot of online support that probably wouldn’t have otherwise voted in that competition. I wouldn’t have been surprised if she had managed something similar for SC.

          • But that was right after Philippines and not many people knew of how much of a trash fire she was then.

          • Hornacek

            True, but I still think she would have been able to galvanize enough online support to beat Monica Padilla.

          • Maybe but I could also see her pulling a Shane Powers and only agreeing to do Periscope interviews.

          • Hornacek

            Maybe, but she seems like the person who would pull out all the stops to win. She even accepted Russell Hantz’s help in her Miss Survivor campaign. Plus she stripped down to her bikini top during the Miss Survivor video debate.

          • Of course she did-on both accounts.

          • sharculese

            Even Stephanie Valencia didn’t stoop as low as accepting Russell’s help in a campaign.

  • indescribable hat

    As far as I’m concerned, the best argument for a Katie return is the mutual admiration thing she and Denise seem to have going. Speaks well of her.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Oh yes! I forgot to mention I was more intrigued by Katie when Denise said she was a potty mouth. My kind of woman. 😉

    • Maritimer

      Unfortunately, I agree Katie’s time is probably past, regardless of the age thing. To draw that deep, even for a second chance season, it would have to be either a recent player or a classic pre-merge with a bigger story. Even for a SC season, I would think your options here are Petebro, Lisa, and maybe Jeff Kent

      • Also, don’t forget that Katie is on Kalabaw, which is not an extremely memorable tribe.

    • indescribable hat

      And she’s still in her 20s! They’ve cast late-20s bikini babes in the past! Especially on returnee seasons.

      • Hornacek

        The show better hurry – her Survivor life-clock hand-crystal is going to start blinking soon.

        • Wow, your Baby Boomer is showing with this reference on top of the Liberty Vallance reference last week.

          • Hornacek

            I know Liberty Valance because I got on a Jimmy Stewart kick years ago and watched a bunch of his movies. It has a great last line.

            I’ve never actually seen Logan’s Run and only know about it through pop culture osmosis, including this clip, which is probably how Survivor casts its female players: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YoCrXmtMjc

          • sharculese

            I own Logan’s Run on DVD. It was a gift. I’ve watched it multiple times.

            Can I tell stories about drugs here, because there’s a real fun story related to that.

          • BadPlayer91

            INTRIGUE!

          • Hornacek
          • StormofCuteness

            I was such a fan of that film as a kid.

          • That’s in the boy band/ “JYVAN EHT NOIJ” episode, right?

          • Hornacek

            Nope, it’s the episode where Homer goes to Florida for spring break and the family accidentally kills a famous alligator. For some reason that episode is hated by Simpsons fans, but I can’t hate it because it contains one of my favorite Simpsons jokes ever.

            (family escapes from jail, runs into the car)
            Homer: Let’s go!
            Lisa: You can’t drive, Dad. He’s got your license.
            Homer: I’m gonna try anyway. (starts ignition) It worked! It’s a miracle!

            I don’t know why I love that, but it makes me laugh every time. Homer’s joy at the car starting is just glorious.

          • I think they are from the same season though because I had the Inside Guide book for two random 2000 seasons.

  • Here’s a little sneak peek of what Wyatt Nash aka Jesus Matt is up to:

    Sorry if you can’t watch this internationally, but it is a preview for a Hallmark movie. This is his second. Lisa has been in two since Survivor, but they have not bridged the gap yet.

    • Blurry Denzel

      Wyatt Nash was also in the Netflix show Dear White People. Pretty good show. I recommend it.

      • I’m glad he has some other legitimate work because he is Godawful in this Hallmark movie.

      • sharculese

        He was also in the sequel to Flowers in the Attic. So… uneven career.

        Granted Kiernan Shipka made the mistake of attaching herself to that franchise, too.

        • indescribable hat

          With Liv from iZombie! Weird.

        • That may be his best role because he does look the part of someone in Flowers in the Attic.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Oh I forgot he was in that. I watched the pilot, but it felt like it was just going to be a stretched out version of the movie. Does it end up doing more than was in the film?

        • Blurry Denzel

          I guess it’s kind of like that but it does expand on more topics than the movie. The big difference is developing the characters more. They feel more like real people rather than these blank figures there to deliver a message, which is something I think the movie suffers from a bit.

        • It mentions You Must Remember This…

        • StormofCuteness

          I agree with BD. I think it is well worth a watch, and one of my favorite new shows this year.

      • StormofCuteness

        I love that show! I didn’t realize it was Matt at all until we just rewatched his season and something kept nagging me until I finally looked him up. I was shocked, tbh.

  • Maritimer

    I find this stretch fascinating because its almost a counter to the “6 is too many in the finale” argument because here, 4 is clearly not enough, even in a good season with good characters. There is surprisingly little to analyze. There are some decent character moments, but the F4 was clearly going to be either Malcolm or Denise with the other one winning the game. They did not need 2+ hours to tell us that story.

    I think the issue is that they have to plan how to show the endgame before they know how the endgame is going to go. In some seasons, putting the F6 into a single episode could work, especially where a clear three takes control and runs with it (like Cambodia, if they didn’t have that crazy tribal, would have been okay) but is seasons where there are still moving pieces like MvGx, it creates rushed and bad storytelling.

    In this season, a final 5 finale would have been ideal, which I guess was likely the plan before Dana’s medivac.

    • BadPlayer91

      In regards to your second paragraph, I would assume that they do not plan how the episodes will flow until after the season is filmed. Like, I’d assume they have a rough idea, but my assumption is they schedule all their challenges, boots, merges, tribe swaps, and just play the game out. Then the editors get a ton of footage with a ton of notes, and decide what to show in each episode. Otherwise, just as you said, they could plan for an epic final 4 and get zero action, or they could plan to show the last 3 boots and FTC in one episode, and get some crazy multi-idol, high drama boots.

      • Maritimer

        I think the response to this here is kind of. Its at least partially based on their episode buy each season but also their planning by day. When you’re booting 6 people in 6 days towards the end, the plan is towards a F6 because less time between boots means less content for episodes. So I think at the beginning of a season, the map is laid out for a F6/F5/F4 finale with flexibility for contingencies @superduperfan:disqus

    • Super duper fan

      In the first 12 seasons, where there was a F2, the final episode with 4 people was fine, cause there were 2 vote outs plus a FTC, but in this scenario where there is only 1 vote out, it just becomes unecessarily prolonged (so China, and Caramoan even though it had 5 people, but Erik was medevaced), but like @badplayer91:disqus said, I think they do not plan how the episodes are structured until it isn’t finished (but I may be wrong).

      • Alycia Swift

        In the early years, didn’t they also have a segment where the jurors spoke before FTC, what now is the jury speaks videos released online. The jurors were also kept seperate from each other so there was no discussion, if I recall correctly. We had the fallen comrades tribute which took up time. We also had both opening and closing speeches at FTC. So a final 4 was ok.

    • Hornacek

      I’m only about halfway through the video, so don’t know if this is mentioned, but I’m assuming that Dana’s quit/medevac is what made the finale start with 4 people and not 5. If Dana hadn’t left as she did, the finale would likely have started with 5 people and Production wouldn’t have had to change one of the challenges into a “reward where you win an advantage in the next immunity challenge” challenge.

      • Maritimer

        100% in this case. I was just using it as a contrast point. I’m not sure Survivor would voluntarily do a F4 episode with one boot anymore

        • Hornacek

          *cough* Kaoh Rong *cough*

          ETA: Oh, you said “voluntarily”. Never mind.

          • He said voluntarily.

          • Maritimer

            They were lucky to not just have an entire finale of F3 in KR

          • Hornacek

            You had ONE JOB, Joe Del Campo – don’t eat more meat than a body can handle!

          • jersey_luck

            You know that actually is kind of true when you remember how close Peter and Liz were to getting pulled for infection when they got voted out.

          • jersey_luck

            Remember they had the choice to make Kaoh Rong a final 2 but they decided to go with the remove a juror twist instead.

          • Hornacek

            Once they got down to three players left, they knew that if they made it a final two it would probably be Michele vs Tai which could have led to mass suicides among the viewers.

          • jersey_luck

            I doubt that for two reasons
            1. It would have been a close final 2 with some debate compared the final tribal council we did get.
            2. The season would be more positively on if Aubry was not there in the end. People could say that winner deserved their win and there would be illusion that Aubry could win if she won that final challenge.

          • Hornacek

            1. Michele vs. Tai would have likely been 9-0 (or however many would be on that hypothetical jury) with Michele winning. I can’t see anyone that didn’t vote for Michele in the actual finale voting for Tai in this hypothetical.

            2. While I agree that part of me wishes that Aubry had been voted out just before the finale so she could be in the “She was voted out before the final tribal because she would have won” group, I still don’t think that a season with Michele winning over Tai in a final two would be seen positively. Any good will built up until that point would be dashed away by having to watch that final two. It’s like when Rob C. gets voted out before the final two in Amazon – after that it’s Jenna vs. Matt, and who really cared by then?

          • jersey_luck

            I agree that Michele probably stills wins. However, I think the vote would have be different then what we got with Tai having two strong votes in his corner in Aubry and Neal. There is also the fact that Michele would have to explain herself against two well spoken jurors that could have convinced others instead of what happened with Nick.

          • Hornacek

            Hmm. I think you’re overestimating Aubry and Neal’s likelihood to vote for Tai. There’s a reason he was a zero-vote finalist and seen by almost everyone as a perfect person to take to the end with them. In a final two with Tai, all Michele would have to do is be nice, not insult anyone, remind the jury how she won challenges and didn’t piss anyone off.

          • jersey_luck

            To be fair this is just a lot of guessing towards an endgame that did not happen about people who mind set we do actually know.

          • Hornacek

            Well, we’re not picking 2 random people that didn’t make it to the final tribal. Both Michele and Tai did make it there, so it’s not that much of a leap to hypothesize what would happen if they were there without Aubry. I don’t suddenly see Tai suddenly getting a bunch of votes he didn’t get in the actual final tribal – if no one voted for him against Michele and Aubry, why would they suddenly vote for him against just Michele?

    • jersey_luck

      Oh they plan the season in advance with the classic cycles. They know how many episodes the season will have in advance and the producers have the events cycle based on numbers. The cycle can be changed but only when they are forced to (during a med-vac or other unpredictable circumstances.). Otherwise, they are stuck in the production cycle and the show has to make due with the footage they have to make the episode exciting.

  • Alkanarra

    You know what: thank God Malcolm lost. Not only would he not have been brought back for Caramoan, making that serious so so much worse, but this was the coronation era of Survivor where they had no qualms parading the winner for the whole season and burying everyone else. If Denise had lost at F4 I can’t imagine how buried she would have been in the edit with Lisa, Redacted, Penner, Abi, and Malcolm gobbling up all the late-game screen time.

    • I still think that Redacted doesn’t get that much attention in the post-merge besides what he creates for himself and his feud with Abi.

      • Alkanarra

        Granted, but that’s still something, and obviously with the whole “three returning medivac players” theme plus him making the finals they wouldn’t totally bury him. Abi is a firecracker, Lisa is the celebrity, Penner is too damn compelling, and a Malcolm winner story sells itself. Denise is the logical choice when you’re looking to cut screen time, and the only reason they couldn’t is because she won.

        Counterpoint to my own argument: Sophie

        • They still try to cut Denise’s time. TEOS points this out as we have no idea what Denise was doing during the merge because it was all about Malcolm and the Kalabaw men and Tandang.

  • BadPlayer91

    Update on BadPlayer91’s early season Survivor sprint: I’ve completed Amazon, which was 98% blast and 2% disappointing finale, and have started Pearl Islands, which one episode in has been 65% blast and 35% SANDRA! Her screen time is like cocaine for my weak soul.

    • The premiere of Pearl Islands is possibly my favorite premiere episode of any Survivor season. It’s so good.

      • Alkanarra

        I smell a Best Survivor Premiere Episodes article in the making….

        But if Guatemala doesn’t make it, know that you’ll be dead to me.

        • Calling @disqus_3Sm0bOf1sj:disqus

          • Blurry Denzel

            6 Best Survivor Premiere episodes.

            1. Pearl Islands
            2. Cagayan
            3. Heroes vs Villains
            4. Cambodia
            5. Philippines
            6. Guatemala

          • Alkanarra

            Guatemala is there. You aren’t dead to me.

          • Hornacek

            Cambodia is there. You are dead to @disqus_GpYJ355BVM:disqus.

          • I need to be consistent on this: I like the Cambodia premiere a lot.

          • My only major problem with the Cambodia premiere is the opening confessionals. Either give everyone one or give a select few one. Don’t give everyone who makes the merge minus Stephen and Keith and add Varner one. We voted for this cast. We want to see everyone up front with their thoughts.

          • Hornacek

            My anticipation for Cambodia was so high, more than any other returning players season before. I was more aware that one of these returning players was going to win and one was going to be voted out first than ever before.

          • My anticipation for Cambodia was higher than any other season because a) I was too young to actively think about how awesome All Stars was, b) I wasn’t watching Survivor when Heroes vs. Villains was on, and c) I was cautiously excited for Game Changers.

          • Maritimer

            I don’t know if it tops those 6, but All-Stars has to be up there, for the sheer novelty of that Premiere

          • All Stars is a solid premiere.

          • Hornacek

            The military helicopters! That may be the most self-important premiere episode.

          • Maritimer

            for the most self-important season

          • The All Stars premiere has a lot of fun little moments: Colby’s reaction to seeing Jerri, Jenna M’s reaction to see Richard in the buff right in front of her, Rudy in general…

          • Hornacek

            Yeah, that premiere is great, especially considering at the start no one really knows how to play against people they already know, and that it will be like a party among friends. Then Boston Rob and Jenna L. ruin everything.

          • You also got to love Mogo Mogo immediately campaigning against each other. I think the biggest flaw of All Stars is the tribe divisions because of how almost all of the great players going into All Stars (Richard, Colby, Lex, and Kathy) are all on one tribe while you left two winners and Rob C. to drown on the other tribes.

          • Hornacek

            Rob C talks about his own situation in this season . either on his All Stars commentary or in various RHAP episodes, but because of the high number of Australia players and how they needed to be split up, it really dictated how the rest of the players got divided. I remember him going through it step by step once, and he concluded that there was no other way for him to be on another tribe. And I think that if he had been on another tribe, he would have survived until at least the swap.

          • I believe he discusses it in TEOS, but that plus the Rich/Rudy/Sue thing plus the Boran 3 really screws over everyone else on the cast.

        • Nah, we’ve already got the upcoming content scheduled to post. I think the first one goes up on Monday.

          • I’m excited to see what this content is….if only to see who else can write a 10,00 word article.

          • I came up with a great/horrible title for the series, and I am very proud of it.

          • BadPlayer91

            intrigue!

          • Hot Take Rants

          • Alkanarra

            So you’re saying you don’t want to cram in extra and totally unnecessary work at the last possible minute? That doesn’t sound like… oh wait.

          • Hornacek

            There’s an Australian Survivor joke in there somewhere. Or Survivor New Zealand. Ah, who am I kidding – I never watched either of those shows.

          • sharculese

            I recruited a second person to do Australian Survivor reviews with me to reduce the workload. And now I’m encouraging him we should do extra work for the premier.

    • Maritimer

      Amazon is Top like 8 for me. I actually like Jenna as a winner because its what truly started to show that Survivor is literally anyone’s game

      • BadPlayer91

        I don’t necessarily dislike her as a winner, she falls more into the ‘meh’ category.

        But I agree, it really does start to show that there is no one way to win Survivor. Which is probably one of the best things and most frustrating things about Survivor.

  • So, Matt and Emma talk about Abi and Denise being one of the bickering duos in Survivor history. Who else would you have up there?
    I would go with:
    Tony and Kass
    Shane and Courtney
    Sandra and Russell

    • Maritimer

      Sandra and Fairplay

      • I would include them (whisper) if I had seen Pearl Islands.

        • Hornacek

          You haven’t seen it? That is worse than your opinion of Cambodia!

          • That’s easy to be done because my opinion of Cambodia is clearly the best!

          • Hornacek

            That makes as much sense as the magic rock that keeps tigers away.

        • Maritimer

          …this needs to come before Palau

          • It will…but after Amazon, which will come after Gabon and possibly Fiji.

          • Maritimer

            Trying to bribe yourself into finishing those two?

          • No, Tally and I are trying to finish the Amazon Prime seasons and then wait on the DVDs that I have to get from the library.

          • I can almost justify her saving it for the end, because it’s cool to finish on a high note.

          • Hornacek

            “And my wife … Morgan Fairchild! Whom I’ve seen naked!”

            Hey, remember when Morgan Fairchild was a thing?

          • She was in a Hallmark movie like 4 years ago.

          • sharculese

            Why… do you know so much about Hallmark movies?

          • I don’t know what you are talking about. I certainly didn’t post about Wyatt Nash being in a Hallmark movie or anything not 12 hours ago.

          • Hornacek

            Don’t live in the past!

          • Hornacek

            Hallmark – isn’t that the TV movie company that used to make greeting cards?

          • They now make wedding dresses!

          • Hornacek

            Jaclyn’s???

          • No, she went with Pnina Tornai (Say Yes to the Dress fans know who this is).

          • sharculese

            I saw that episode because Say Yes to the Dress is one of roommate’s guilty pleasures.

          • Emma did a “live”blog of it on this very website.

          • Hornacek

            That blog is the only reason why I know anything about Jaclyn’s wedding dress.

          • BadPlayer91

            I agree *continues to plan to finish with HvV*

      • Sandra and Fairplay is a much better bickering pair than Sandra and Russell.

        • Besides what I mention below, Sandra and Russell fighting gives us more entertainment because of how much fun others (especially Parvati) get out of the feud.

        • BadPlayer91

          *Proof that Sandra is my kind of person* In Episode 1 of Pearl Islands, Fairplay has a confessional about his ‘jokes’ and how he knew that would be an advantage and how he can always make people laugh, and before I can even begin to roll my eyes, they cut to a confessional of Sandra being like ‘I don’t like him, he thinks he’s funny but he’s not” *heart*

          • She’s a goddamn treasure.

    • Super duper fan

      This may not be remembered as much, but I also would have Twila and Eliza.

      • sharculese

        That was bickering shading into bullying.

    • Max_Jets

      Sophie and Albert

      • Super duper fan

        Oh, good one!

      • Hornacek

        Besides the “Drop your stack” exchange, do they really bicker a lot? My memory is that they’re aligned for most of the season. Albert wants to do some crazy schemes, which Sophie talks him out of, but I don’t remember them bickering a lot.

        • Max_Jets

          It’s more towards the end, but she does yell “WILL YOU LET ME FUCKING FINISH” to him during an argument.

          • Part of the excellent Brandon boot episode.

          • Hornacek

            My favorite running gag of SP post-merge players appearing on RHAP is that they are almost always asked “Is it true that if Brandon Hantz had made it to the end he would have won?” and Rob is always surprised when they answer “Yes”.

          • He is still shocked during TEOS.

          • Hornacek

            I’m working my way through the RHAP Worlds Apart episodes and surprisingly there are lot of the potential Second Chancers as guests (shocking!), including Jim Rice. And one of the questions is about Brandon winning, and Rob is shocked by Jim’s answer.

            And I think a couple of episodes later Sophie is the guest (or maybe it’s the other way around) and Brandon comes up and still Rob is surprised by her answer (“Really???”).

          • Haha, I am actually shocked that Jim Rice agreed to be a recap guest.

          • sharculese

            I’m pretty sure Jim Rice only does RHAP because he thinks it’s good promotion for his business.

          • I think he stopped doing RHAP, hasn’t he?

          • sharculese

            Fuck if I know. I kind of zoned out on RHAP because listening to multiple hours of coverage of Game Changers felt like homework.

          • Game Changers:the buzzkill of Survivor.

          • Hornacek

            During that episode, Jim did agree to give 25% (?) off all purchases at his stores on a certain date (the day after that episode came out) if the customers said “RHAP” when they came in.

            Plus, let’s face it – these guests during season 30 knew that appearing on Rob’s show was good promotion for getting them onto SC – Jim Rice, Kass, Vytas, Spencer, Kelley. And was it a coincidence that Stephen just happened to be co-hosting KIA that season? All part of his master plan to get the RHAP bump.

          • sharculese

            I remember that. Are you being coy or did you not piece together what that date was?

          • Hornacek

            I’ve been listening to old RHAP episodes for the past few years to get caught up to where I first started listening (SC) so a lot of the time I have no idea the exact date the episodes were recorded. But I’m inferring from your comment that it was likely … mid-April?

          • sharculese

            It was late-mid April.

          • Hornacek

            Now it all makes sense.

          • Hornacek

            Actually I just checked and the Jim Rice episode was March 27th, so April 20th would have been 3 weeks into the future. Plus on that podcast Jim says either “tomorrow” or “later this week” for the discount so there’s no way they’re talking about 4/20 as the date.

          • Well, the now defunct(?) Survivor Oz had it much worse with the older school candidates like T-Bird coming on to recap AND Jeremy and Val were doing the fantasy league sorta thing against Ben.

          • Hornacek

            Personally, I had no idea that the online vote was a thing until they aired that clip with Jeff at the end of the later WA episodes. So if I had been listening to RHAP back then, I probably would have just thought “Oh, Rob is getting a variety of guests that aren’t usually on the show.”

          • I only knew because I somehow stumbled onto Redmond’s Twitter that Spring and saw the leaked tentative list and got excited.

          • DrVanNostrand

            He’s a douche, but I’d still buy weed from him.

          • DrVanNostrand

            So am I. What the fuck is wrong with all of them? He’s an unstable wreck, amplified by an insane type of religious conviction. He’s a terrifying and unstable person.

          • Hornacek

            Truly the best example of what the players are seeing is 100% different than what the viewers are seeing.

        • sharculese

          I suspect South Pacific is edited to avoid certain moments that might contribute to the narrative that Sophie is a bitchy know-it-all.

          Which sucks, because the worst thing about South Pacific is that there should be more Sophie.

          • I think if that narrative had been there, that would have made the Ozzy and Sophie fight at Final 5 Part Deux so much better.

          • sharculese

            I think the problem is that Sophie knew she was the smartest person there and didn’t really care about hiding it, and that they were already treading into “how dare this kid who’s just out off college think she’s smarter than Coach and Ozzy” with the edit they did give her.

            Like, we’d love the edit where Sophie is allowed to be a smart-ass all day, but I don’t think the mainstream audience would be happy about it.

          • That’s completely fair, but I think they have to build up to that moment where Ozzy says to Sophie “The jury doesn’t like you” instead of it coming sorta out of the blue.

          • Alycia Swift

            Plus she was female. We’ve had smartass guys pretty early ala Rob C. I can think of several: Rob C, Rob M, Penner at times, Cochran, Spencer, Tony, Tyson, Pete, Brian C., etc. to varying degrees of success and most are well-liked. But I still can’t think of any women who would fit the bill.

            edit: I did think of one. Maybe Kass.

          • But, Kass was also edited to not be likable because she was the foil to everyone’s favorites Spencer and Tasha.

          • sharculese

            Oh yeah, I said ‘bitchy’ for a reason. Its different when a man does it.

          • Hornacek

            Yeah, up until the last few episodes (from what I remember) SP is edited as if Coach wins and Sophie is going to be a no-vote finalist (or get voted out at final 4).

          • Max_Jets

            If they had twice as much Sophie & Albert, but still placed a lot of focus on Coach as a cult leader, South Pacific would be really high for me. I might have to watch it again as I think the season might be better in my head than it is in reality, but it’s interesting damn it!

          • This season gets a bad rap because it is actually pretty interesting. Even the Pagonging is quick!

          • DrVanNostrand

            BOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! YOUR OPINION IS BAD!

          • Super duper fan

            BUT, if we turn our thinking around, then YOUR opinion is bad.
            https://media.giphy.com/media/M4dGs3ITkAvMA/giphy.gif

          • I just assumed that everyone already thought this.

          • jersey_luck

            It is in Africa territory for me, where the lows are really awful and barely watchable but the highs are some of the best Survivor moments ever.

          • DrVanNostrand

            More of Sophie being a bitchy know it all might get Jesus Island out of the bottom 5!

        • DrVanNostrand

          Frankly, they were ignored so much I don’t think we’d ever know.

          • Hornacek

            My memory of that season is like if I was watching a movie where Coach was the main character (no, not 180) and Sophie was just a supporting character, and then in the final act Coach’s character dies and Sophie suddenly becomes the main character that we follow for the last 15 minutes.

            Sort of like what happens in the William Friedkin film To Live And Die In L.A.

    • sharculese

      Kourtney Moon and safety instructions

      Sorry, John, I couldn’t not troll you

      • It’s cool. I’d do the same for you.

    • Alycia Swift

      Sandra and Fairplay.

      Worst. Jon and Jaclyn.

  • Another question (somewhat) inspired by this rewatch: How many people have come into the finale as viable candidates to win, but then the finale becomes a hatchet job as to why they can’t win? Here’s who I got (Important note: they have to make FTC and FTC cannot be included as part of the hatchet job):
    Brad Culpepper
    Stephen
    Spencer
    Coach

    • Super duper fan

      Russell, Woo, and Stephenie.

      • Hornacek

        I feel like I’m mentioning RHAP a lot here (enough to get me banned, probably), but I love the Cagayan recap episode right before the finale where Cochran is the guest and lays out his theory that Woo is 100% going to win and almost convinces Rob.

      • Woo was definitely not seen as a viable winner. Which Russell are we saying here?

        • Super duper fan

          The first one.

        • sharculese

          Russell Feathers

        • Super duper fan

          And I don’t think many believed that Tony would win. The main contender was Spencer, but after he was voted out, I think Woo was the second option (I may be wrong, cause I wasn’t watching then).

          • (whisper) I forgot that Spencer was still in the finale.

          • sharculese

            Without Spencer there we don’t get “do we fight for it?”

            How do you forget that?

          • Wasn’t that at the auction?

          • sharculese

            No, that was Woo asking production what happens if they tie at final 4.

          • Sorry. I need to rewatch Cagayan.

          • Super duper fan

            You didn’t even watch most of the seasons!

          • I am working on it!

          • Hornacek

            Give her a break – she’s spending most of her time keeping her ear to the ground to get us the juiciest gossip.

          • Hey….I don’t have that much gossip anymore.

          • BadPlayer91

            more than most ever did though…

          • Hornacek

            That sounds like someone who has plenty of gossip would say!

        • Hornacek

          “Woo was definitely not seen as a viable winner.”

          Not according to Cochran. Pretty sure he had a Powerpoint presentation to explain it.

        • Max_Jets

          I know edgic is just a small part of Survivor fans…
          https://www.google.com/search?q=survivor+edgic+cagayan&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS743US743&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3lvaH_ZrVAhWr5IMKHVEWDssQ_AUIBigB&biw=1536&bih=759
          …but Woo did look pretty good until he made his losing decision.

    • Maritimer

      I’m trying to remember exactly when the wheels came off the Ken train. I know it kind of happened in the Will boot, but I think he was a viable winner but was cut down in the finale?

      • Super duper fan

        I think he was a contender in the pre-merge, but post-merge the only passenger was Colin Stone.

        • Maritimer

          In the edgic/hardcore fan community he was but casuals were still on the Ken train I thought

          • Oh yeah, casuals were still on the Ken train because while Ken got nothing from the merge to the Will boot, Adam was making near fatal to his game mistakes and Hannah was Hannah.

      • He pulls a Brad where he is extremely visible in the pre-merge but once the merge hits, he’s purpled. The big difference is that he doesn’t become as big of a jerk as Brad does despite voting out his closest ally.

        • Maritimer

          Not as a jerk, but as kind of weird right?

          • Right, which is due primarily to the Will boot…He was still hot though.

        • Alycia Swift

          He was stuck between a rock and a hard place. No matter what he did, cut David, keep David, he was not winning with that season’s cast, a bunch of self-proclaimed gamers. I’m not sure if he kept David, or let David and Adam make fire even would have gotten him any votes.

          • I think forcing those two to make fire could have helped him at least get some credit for at least some strategy. It may have got him a vote.

          • BadPlayer91

            He also made a time-honored mistake of claiming his game was all about integrity and staying true to who he was. That argument has rarely held up as i’ve watched the early seasons, and there it was considered really important. By the time Ken came around, it’s the double-edgiest of swords. He keeps David and his ‘i’ve got integrity’ argument is blown away by someone who truly played the game. He boots David and his words ring hollow. If anything, Ken’s crippling moment was allowing his integrity to bind himself to David. He relinquishes the ability to show his skills by letting David do most of the work, and by the time he regains some of that power to take David out, he’s lost face with everyone else. He can’t convince them he’s the mastermind, he can’t argue integrity, he’s just lost it.

      • DrVanNostrand

        No one ever respected Ken’s game. The wheels came off his train early.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I can’t say Stephen or Spencer because I don’t think either ever had a meaningful chance at winning before the finale (unless they had managed to cut the winner in the final episode).

      • Super duper fan

        I think @disqus_GpYJ355BVM:disqus meant from the viewers’ point of view, as who was thought of as a possibility to win it all.

        • That is exactly what I mean. Now we know that Stephen was drawing dead at Final 5, if not earlier, and Spencer was drawing dead for sure at Final 6, if not earlier (like Stephen’s boot).

  • Max_Jets

    Big Brother thread?

    First off: BIG BROTHER CANADA IS NO LONGER ON HIATUS AND RETURNING IN 2018 and I am very excited about it.

    Anyways… With the whole self eviction mess kicking off the season mixed with Paul’s safety and now the battle back, the game hasn’t really felt like it’s had much forward momentum yet. It’s made me kind of check out and just follow update/RHAP, but that should hopefully change in the upcoming week.

    I’m bummed that Dominique wasn’t the player I once thought she would be and I’m also sad to see her be sent out the way she was. I’m kind of conflicted about who I want to win the battle back. Jessica has been much more interesting without Cody, Cameron seems like bad television even if he was the most screwed, Jillian doesn’t do anything, and Dominique coming back immediately would be weird. I guess Cody or Dominique (who I am still fond of) would be the best options. Josh and Mark are children. Paul needs to fall for this season to be any good, but I have no idea where anything is going.

    Meanwhile, I am quickly making my way through Big Brother 5 and slowly making my way through Big Brother 2. I’m enjoying both, but it is wild that there are 11 full episodes in season 2 with only 5 contestants left. Thank god Will and Nicole are there.

    • Maritimer

      I’m so torn on the battle back too. I like Cody but I’m also worried his return will ruin Jessica. On the other hand, I don’t want any of the other three back really, and Cody is kind of cute so Cody it is. I really just want him to come back and go after Paul and his stupid alliance and blow the game wide open.

      I’m so over Josh. He can go anytime. I still like Christmas, I think I’d like Elena if she was out of Paul’s alliance, same with Alex. Kevin is hilarious. Aurprisingly, Jason may actually be my rooting interest at this point though

      • Max_Jets

        Jason is probably my rooting interesting right now too, as he seems to be the sharpest of the outsiders. Christmas is still my favorite, but she doesn’t have the underdog factor and is so closely tied to Paul.

        • It’s weird how close she got to Paul. Maybe production faves know to protect other production faves.

      • Jason is giving me major Tai vibes.

        • Maritimer

          Better shot at winning though I’d think

          • I don’t see this house giving him credit for anything. For a prime example, please see Alex during the pre-Veto segment on Wednesday’s show.

          • Maritimer

            No that’s true, everyone thinks he’s an idiot. But I feel he could play the Johnny Mac game and get credit

          • Now, you’re speaking my language!

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Cody’s only cute if you saw a picture of him and never watched a minute of BB.

        Agree on Josh. And it bugs the shit out of me because no one (besides Mark I guess) has any reason to put him on the block.

        And I’d want Cameron back in the most, not cuz I think he’s interesting or anything, I just think he’s the best bet to shake the game up. Everybody knows what Cody’s about, and if he doesn’t win HoH off the bat, he’s going right back out the door.

        • Maritimer

          True regarding Cody’s cuteness but I can roll with it.

    • Super duper fan

      YES!!! I was SO bummed out, when I heard that it was coming onto a hiatus, especially cause I just watched it.

      I didn’t see the last episode yet, but yeah, Dominique didn’t do herself any good by just speaking in riddles the whole time. She HAD information, but just didn’t give it, cause she was scared that it will backfire on her, but when you’re a target and on the block, you HAVE to give something to have even a chance of staying.

      I’m still enjoying the season, but I agree with you that it feels like it has only began, and we will soon see how it will turn out. And yeah, I hope Paul will have a downfall in the next couple of weeks. It’s not like I dislike him, but just that his power feels really cheap cause of the production trying to him in the house by the ‘friendship bracelets’ or ‘necklaces’. He plays a good game for now, I do admit, but I’m KINDA hoping he gets Neda’d somehow.

      For the battleback, my ranking would be:
      1.Cameron- to be fair my no.1 option would be ‘no one’, not necessarily cause I really dislike anyone here, but just that I would be more interested in the state we are in an see how it turns out. But alas, I would most likely to see Cameron, cause he’s such a wildcard with him being gone on the 1st night, that it would be interesting to see how he, and others manage that.
      2.Dominique- simply cause, I really like her, and maybe there is a chance she wins HoH and gets power. But aside from that, I don’t know she will convince anyone to align with her if she doesn’t win.
      3.Cody- while he was a really fun character, due to him wanting to align with Paul (which to be fair, I don’t know would work out, but still), and Jessica is much better without him, and she has much more potential to be actually a good player than him.
      4.Jillian- cause……no.

      I’m still really enjoying this season, and my favourites at this point are: Alex (who has SUCH an obvious winner’s edit), Kevin, Jason, Ramses, Elena, and for now I’m giving it to Jessica, but I still don’t trust her with it. The only players who for this moment, I wouldn’t like to see them win are Paul, and Raven.

      And I’m glad you’re enjoying both of these seasons, especially BB5, who gets too much bad rap. BB2, while a good season, suffers in my opinion from a weaker first half, aside from the 1st week, and the toothbrush incident, and the ‘middle’ episodes where there is no POV, so it feels sometimes pointless. But I still like it. BB5 has a weaker 3rd act out of 4, but I really like all the other ones

      • Max_Jets

        I really want to talk about BB5 and have a lot of opinions on it (mostly positive), but I’ll try to wait until I’m finished. I just made it to final 6, and I’ll just say that I’ve been very pleasantly surprised and it could end up being my favorite of 2-6.

        • Super duper fan

          Out of these, I still find BB3 still the best (and is still my favourite season), but BB5 is a close 2nd. I hope we can talk about it once you finish it.

      • I think Cody may have changed his mind after watching Dominique come out the door.

      • Maritimer

        I know you were being facetious but one of the good things about BB is that they can’t really make a winners edit

        • indescribable hat

          It is SO WEIRD. After years with crazy internet Survivor fans, I don’t know how to watch a show like this without edit thoughts popping into my head sometimes, and I keep having to remind myself that they don’t know what happens next week any more than we do.

          • Maritimer

            Happens to me too. I starting thinking about the edit but then I realize it’s not actually a thing

          • This season feels like such an anomaly because, with the exception of Cody, everyone else who has been voted out has had a very small edit. Dominique may be the exception here, but even then, she didn’t really come out as a character until last Sunday night.

          • StormofCuteness

            The edit has been godawful. All sorts of interesting things have happened in the house that haven’t been on the televised show. It’s become ridiculous. There is, at this point, no way for anyone to know almost anything about half the houseguests. *I’m probably overly frustrated at this point*

        • Max_Jets

          Weirdly, it’s also one of the bad things about it.

          • Super duper fan

            Yeah, from a good side: we can see the game play out live, and it is more exciting not picking up on some “edit clues”, and just root for some people you want, but from a bad side: winner may be unsatisfiying, cause we can see all the things they did, and they might’ve done some bad moves, so it removes from the argument that always the best player wins. In my opinion good overweights the bad, but it’s still there.

    • indescribable hat

      I too had my hopes for Dominique dashed this week. Yikes.

      I think I’m rooting for Cameron because it seems potentially interesting to have someone they barely met tossed into the house. I don’t have strong feelings though.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I don’t know if anyone else agree with me on this, but I really don’t appreciate the way the Internet is pushing me to play Dream Daddy. I’M UNPRODUCTIVE ENOUGH, I DON’T NEED THIS TOO!

    • What the hell is Dream Daddy?

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Just dip your toe in Gay Twitter for two seconds and you’ll see.

        • Oh boy…that sounds scary.

        • BadPlayer91

          I’m so intrigued, but i’m also at work. So like, why I really don’t think I need to worry, I gotta be a bit careful with what I click on…

  • Hornacek

    (downloads the audio version, fast forwards to the very end)

    Woohoo!

  • Side Character

    Thanks, Matt and Emma, for doing this. It’s been fun re-watching this season. I had forgotten how much I liked it; this was a great reminder.

    If we’re going to continue the trend of re-watching old seasons in-between the new ones (bad ones in the winter, good ones in the summer), which seasons do y’all want PRP to cover next time, both for bad seasons and good? This is assuming they haven’t already been decided:
    My vote is for Thailand and Pearl Islands, respectively.
    Alternates: Redemption Island and Cook Islands, also respectively.

    • Super duper fan

      While I probably will still not participate: for the worse ones Fiji or All-Stars, and for better ones The Amazon or China.

    • indescribable hat

      I vote Fiji and Palau, which are the third and first seasons I watched. I have revisited neither and really enjoyed both the first time around, so Fiji is my way of getting around the fact that I don’t really care to revisit any seasons I considered bad.

    • BadPlayer91

      I was going to say i’d support any I haven’t yet seen, but then I remembered i’d have to be careful, as the podcast likely would discuss spoilers same as for Philippines. So, I guess i’d support any that I already know the winner of…

      So, Redemption Island, Fiji, All-Stars would be good, lol. Though if my current off-season viewing pace keeps up, I likely will have some of these done before winter. Definitely All-Stars, as that’s up next after Pearl Islands.

  • Hornacek

    I’m listening to the RHAP Worlds Apart recap episode with Jonathan Penner as the guest, and he drops these Philippines tidbits:

    – Penner didn’t know that Jeff Kent didn’t want to work with him and wanted to vote him out from the start until he watched the season air. It never came up at Ponderosa, where Jeff spent most of his time reading a biography of the head of the Mormon Church and didn’t participate in the group activities: card games, drinking and karaoke.

    – The reason he refused to give Lisa a yes/no answer when she came to him for a final-four deal is because Skupin and Carter had told him that Lisa was the next one to be voted out and he didn’t want to say “yes” to her and then vote her out and potentially lose her jury vote.

    – Artis was not a recruit; he was a big Survivor fan and had sent in a tape to casting 19 times. Lynne Spillman (head of casting for Survivor) said (not sure if she said this to Artis or Penner) that the tape he submitted that got him on Philippines was the worst tape she had ever seen. Maybe he was like a Dan Foley type and they decided “This guy is going to keep submitting tapes until we put him on the show, let’s just do it and then we’ll be rid of him.”