Season 34 Cast Discussion Thread

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Inside Survivor has released the names of the cast of season 34, set to start filming next week. To see the list, visit their site (season 33 returnees are hidden behind a spoiler tag): http://insidesurvivor.com/survivor-season-34-cast-12288 

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  • andythesaint

    Here’s my basic take: the person I probably objected to being cast on All-Stars the most was Rob. For Micronesia, it was Parvati.

    After that, I stopped complaining about who gets brought back to Survivor*.

    *Colton is the exception.

    • Adam B.

      There’s no one on the list, save maybe Troyzan, who’s of dubious mental stability. So that’s a good start.

      Putting Sandra and Tony on the same island makes me giddy. But where are my damn Guatemala returnees?

        • Adam B.

          People who’ve never returned whom I’d like to see back:

          Greg Buis (Borneo)
          John, Paschal, Neleh, Vecepia (Marquesas)
          Dolphin Boy Ian (Palau)
          Freakin’ Judd, Rafe, Danni (Guatemala)
          Grant (Redemption)
          Sophie (South Pacific)
          Kim (One World)
          R.C. (Philippines)
          Reynold Who Threw Things Onto Things (Caramoan)

          • Come On In Here

            I want to see Reynold throw things at/on/into things too!

          • Mike Hirsch

            How many times over the past few seasons when there’s been a “throwing things” competition have you said to yourself (or out loud) “I bet Reynold would have smoked this”? For me, the answer would pretty much be “all of them.”

          • Kemper Boyd

            *Reynolds of the Carnival Games.

          • ExtraLargePelican

            I’m happy that someone agrees with me regarding RC, who is a terrible person but great TV. I believe John and I once argued about this on the podcast.

      • Come On In Here

        Debbie is not of dubious mental stability?

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          She is a Psychiatrist. I think she’d know.

      • Alycia Swift

        You just made me laugh with the “dubious mental stability” comment.

      • Dutch

        Agreed – Guatemala had a really decent cast.

    • Max_Jets

      Hopefully Troyzan is the new Monica Padilla and not the next Parvati though.

      • sharculese

        Parvati had the ability to get people to like her.

    • Roswulf

      So I’m taking this as a stone cold guarantee of Survivor Winner Troyzan?

      • andythesaint

        If that happens, expect me to do a 180 and declare him awesome. Because front-running is fun.

  • Mike Rasor

    Over a quarter of the cast are alpha males Jeff Probst wants to bottom for…color me shocked.

    • andythesaint

      Look, if you can’t trust the fans to make it happen, you have to take matters into your own hands.

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    Sigh. I’m happy with about 7 people. And while I’m extremely excited to see Sandra again, I am so terrified that I will see her get voted out. I don’t know that I can handle it.

    Fucking Ozzy. Burn the beach down unhappy with that.

    • But the good thing here is that as long as the people you are unhappy with are some of the pre-merge boots, you’ll get more time seeing your favorites. That’s what I’m holding out hope for.

    • corndogshuffle

      The good thing about Ozzy is that he has as much potential as I do to make intelligent decisions on Survivor 34. The bad news is that we are all but guaranteed to see a ton of him, I’d bet a lot he is jury again.

      Sandra will be a sitting duck.

      • Come On In Here

        I’m hoping Ozzy gets the Colby HvV arc and fails badly at challenges. I don’t think it will happen, but it will be awesome if it does.

        • Alycia Swift

          I am oddly curious at Caleb v. Ozzy. Ozzy might do better swimming but at pure strength challenges, probably Caleb.

          • My hope is that they are together on a tribe, because they shouldn’t put Ozzy and Malcolm together. Ozzy and Caleb are a trainwreck douchebag collision waiting to happen.

        • Aqua-Man in a fat suit.

  • Other Scott

    There’s no Jon Misch therefore this is all terrible.

    (I actually love this cast. I’m one of the few really excited for Brad Culpepper 2.0)

    • I’m indifferent about Brad. As long as he doesn’t ruin it for my favorites, I’m fine with it.

      • ExtraLargePelican

        Just wait until the Brad/Sierra/Troy/Sarah alliance takes out Tony.

    • Alycia Swift

      He’s likely being saved for a second Second Chances season.

      • Other Scott

        I don’t know. I think production just doesn’t really like that San Juan Del Sur cast in general.

        • Yet, they have had three of them come back and have thought about having three of them. That’s a third of the cast right there (admittedly the majority of them come from Hunahpu, which was the better tribe).

    • hardcöre umlaut

      I am excited for Brad! I hated his macho man BS in BvW but he was a really entertaining villain (just as I loved Peter, J’Tia, HvV James and Tyson, and Ace- I love me a premerge villain! All the excitement but you don’t get bored seeing them do the same thing over and over). Katie Collins was also pretty chummy with him on the island (from her r/survivor AMA), which greatly increased my opinion of him as well.

      • Other Scott

        The thing is that Brad seemed like a reasonably nice guy! So he got to fill this power villain comeuppance role without being a complete douchenozzle. (Peter is the same way, except he didn’t have nearly as much perceived power, he was just this arrogant guy everyone else crapped on for justifiable reasons).

      • I wouldn’t go so far as to say I’m excited for Brad. I just don’t cringe at his inclusion, and I get that he fills a certain role for them. If he fails spectacularly again, that will be great.

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    I just realized Troyzan is on there as well. Ozzy and Troyzan at the same time. Fuck. Douchebagpalooza.

    • If Troy is the first boot, this season couldn’t possibly rank lower than #20 on my all-time list.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        If Troy isn’t the first boot and someone like Sandra is, I don’t know what I will do with myself. There could be tears.

        • corndogshuffle

          I’m convinced it will be Sandra/Cirie/Tony. Maybe JT. I’m preparing for the worst.

          • Purplerockmatt

            nah JT is winning this shit. Everyone will have forgotten that he can play based off HvV and that charm offensive will go into high gear

          • It’s true. Matt and I went through the whole scenario earlier today. JT is winning.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I don’t trust a thing you say anymore.

      • turgid_legume

        But… it’s his island?

        • Alycia Swift

          What boggles the mind is that we rejected him and Culepepper the first time for Second Chances. Why would the powers that be think we want to see either of them.

          • I wonder how hypocritical we would be if T-Bird and Shane were on here instead of Troyzan and Brad.

          • Alycia Swift

            Well T-Bird is the wrong sex so she’d have to replace one of the interchangeable pretty faces (or more likely, Debbie).

            There’s a difference between Shane and other 2 though. He was nutty and entertaining. They were not.

          • I know that T-Bird is the wrong sex, but if she had knocked out another woman, would we be okay with that?

          • Alycia Swift

            Depends on the woman. Sarah, Cierra, Andrea, Sierra, I’m fine. But its the wrong age range.

        • Specifically, the Ponderosa part will be his.

        • sharculese

          Troyzan’s Island is just a name. Actually it’s a peninsula.

    • Alycia Swift

      And Culepepper.

    • andythesaint

      I’m starting to get behind the return of Troyzan simply for the trolling John opportunities.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        Normally, I’m with you… but this means potentially having to watch Troyzan for several weeks in a row…

        • Alycia Swift

          The sacrifices we make for Andy to troll John.

    • I think we have a title for Season 34.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        I prefer “The Drewschening”.

        • Ooh…nice! But, we don’t have Drew Christy or Andrew Savage, so it doesn’t work.

  • I am just so frustrated that out of all of the colorful female characters on the proposed list…we get Sierra.

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      And no Nat Bolton.

    • Alycia Swift

      Yep. No Natalie A or Sophie. I forget who else was on the list.

  • andythesaint

    Sarah Lacina is the oddest choice for me. Sierra at least makes sense from the standpoint that there’s always a fairly unremarkable pretty face cast each time out.

    • gouis

      They just want more clips of Tony saying “Sara”

      • They could be getting more clips of Tony saying “Sierra/Ciera” and “Cirie”.

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      I truly don’t get her. She was a terrible player, and I don’t see a real fan base for her? Unless I’m missing it?

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        She being Sarah Lacina

        • andythesaint

          Agreed. She was fine. But no more than fine. Who’s clamouring for more Sarah? Maybe they think she’ll be a good fit for physical reasons? idk idk

          • ExtraLargePelican

            I’m not too bothered by her presence. She was pretty paranoid and erratic the first time out, and I’m guessing that the way she went out of her last season won’t have helped. She’s one of those players, like Abi, who is more the playing field than an opposing player. She’ll never win, but better players will have to watch out for her.

      • AubrysWinnersEdit

        Sarah happened to be the boot in one of the most fantastic tribals of all time. Other than that, I have no idea why she’s coming back.

        • andythesaint

          Probably shouldn’t discount “is very available”.

          • Doesn’t she have a fairly young child, like under 2?

          • andythesaint

            EDITED OUT OLD RESPONSE.

          • I thought Sarah was pregnant at the reunion.

          • Hornacek

            That was Brenda. I get the two of them mixed up all the time too.

          • No Sarah was pregnant too, I thought.

    • Maybe they needed some sort of security blanket for Tony, the way Cochran got Dawn in Caramoan?

      • andythesaint

        I get the impression that Sarah is more of a Tony antagonist than partner.

        • Purplerockmatt

          I think that is why they wanted her

        • Alycia Swift

          Wouldn’t Kass be a better Tony antagonist? Yes, I know she does not want to play again right now.

      • Roswulf

        All will be forgiven if Tony convinces Sara in episode one that he is no longer a police officer, and goes from there.

        • Hornacek

          Construction Workers R Us

        • bassmanxvi

          We need a llama rancher!

    • Mike Hirsch

      On the Price Is Right special, Ozzy and Sierra took the roles of whatever they call what used to be the Barker’s Beauties these days for one of the showcases, and they introduced them as “fan favorites,” which did make me arch a comically quizzical eyebrow, but also wonder if that meant Sierra was coming back soon. Guess that’s a yes. The fans will be so pleased, apparently.

      • I wonder if those same fans were like “Is that the Jaclyn girl that couldn’t have babies?”

        • Mike Hirsch

          I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say “absolutely.”

        • Considering how both of them look wildly different in different photographs, absolutely. I would say though that they just call Jaclyn “the girl who can’t have babies with her boyfriend”.

          • That sentence mostly implies that Jaclyn can have babies with someone other than Jon.

          • I was trying to imply that Jon would be more memorable than her, but I did not do that. What about the girl with the handsome boyfriend who can’t have babies?

          • Well of course her boyfriend can’t have babies!

            (I could keep up the pedantry all day.)

          • Alycia Swift

            You made me crack up at work. Luckily I’m here by myself.

          • Okay, one more try.

            “the girl who cried because she wanted to naturally have babies and make a happy family with her boyfriend, but she can’t.”

          • Rolls right off the tongue.

          • Damn it.

    • Alycia Swift

      But we get Hali and Andrea … and the new one from season 33 is pretty as well.

    • Roswulf

      At least Sarah was bad at Survivor in a way that created good television, even if she was personally boring.

      Sierra was a boring player who made sensible decisions that made the season less entertaining,

    • hardcöre umlaut

      She is the Fran 2.0 for this season- only cast to create tension with a male antagonist. Pity, because what a waste of a spot.

    • Other Scott

      But there’s so many more interesting unremarkable pretty faces to choose from.

      I am a staunch defender of Sierra’s Worlds Apart game (It was similar to Michele’s in Kaoh Rong, except better), but it was a purposely boring playstyle and I don’t really see any reason she would want to change it.

      • Black Dynamite

        I really think Sierra can do well in this format. I found her to be pretty smart in Worlds Apart and very competent in challenges.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Sarah is my “really?” too. Sierra wasn’t bad in challenges just had to deal with Joe and Mike. She was just hella boring. Sarah just kinda sucked really.

      • ExtraLargePelican

        I’m betting that she’ll be even more paranoid and erratic this time. Should make for good tv.

    • Hornacek

      I’m halfway through the RHAP Cagayan episodes and from the pre-season until she got booted, Rob was extremely high on Sarah, his winner pick. And it wasn’t just him; almost every podcast guest before she got booted (former Survivor and others) said that Sarah was playing the best game and was their pick to win. Even looking back, I can’t see what any of them saw. She just seemed to be “there”.

      • andythesaint

        Confirmation bias: people make up their minds in the preseason based on flimsy evidence, then won’t let go of those ideas because they want to be right.

        Sarah was also MY winner pick preseason. I think I remember giving up on her early, but probably still held out hope too long.

        • Hornacek

          True, and Rob admits that his pre-season pick track record is awful. But up until the merge, Rob and almost every guest he has on* has said that Sarah is playing the best of anyone.

          * Except for Stephen, who had a huge man-crush on LJ and wore black on the KIA episode when Tony voted him out.

          • Sarah and LJ were extremely popular preseason picks in that season.

            Mine was J’Tia, so I was free very early on to find and root for a different winner.

          • Hornacek

            Yeah, but it wasn’t just pre-season. Up until her boot, so many people were saying Sarah was playing the best game and was in the best position to win. I didn’t think she was playing bad, but I didn’t see anything special …

            Oh! Was Sarah the Michele of Cagayan?

          • bassmanxvi

            I remember picking Sarah as the under the radar type and Tony V as a goat. I’m pretty sure that was my personal best preseason pick 4 team

  • corndogshuffle

    Obvious winner (female from season 33)? Is it too soon for that?

    • andythesaint

      It’s all there in the edit.

      • corndogshuffle

        Between her amazing edgic scores and the fact that there are two male winners (JT/Tony) but only one named female winner (Sandra/Season 33 Female) I’m convinced. Get ready!

        • Other Scott

          Oh man, I’m really ready for “Edgic” to be all over the leaked female from S33 as their winner pick.

          • corndogshuffle

            If that actually happens I will give up on the internet. Ugh.

          • I know that Reddit is having a massive overhaul of how they treat edgic on the subreddit because of how unbearable some of the Michele truthers got towards the end.

          • corndogshuffle

            I had never really ventured over to reddit until recently, it’s been interesting to watch all that discussion play out. If it got as bad as I think it got than man am I glad I missed it.

          • Honestly, I didn’t think it was that bad. It certainly happened, and there are a few very vocal people who were typical internet “I know more than you” assholes about it. But honestly, that’s what r/Survivor is always like- those people didn’t just pop up when edgic started getting discussed, they were just doing their “I know more than you” shtick about other stuff.

          • Fair enough. I guess I avoid those areas….or maybe I am that person.

            What a twist!

          • I think I spent most of last season in r/Survivorcirclejerk instead, just making fun of those people. I love Survivor circlerjerk; they have a sense of humor there.

          • corndogshuffle

            This makes sense. Based on what you’ve said it wouldn’t really have bothered me… the edgic talk never bothered me as much as some because I just flat out didn’t buy Michele as a contender for the win. There was always a nagging feeling that it screamed of cleverly disguised spoilers but that’s as far as I went down that road, and I *was* an edgic reader. Shows how much I know. But garden variety internet douchebaggery is something I can live with.

  • Sad Lil

    Hey! Where am I?

    Looks like I need to make a call to Mr. Redmond

    • You’re right here with us, where you belong.

      • Hornacek

        “Don’t forget … you’re here forever!”

  • Come On In Here

    Yay! We get to watch Sandra win again!

    • turgid_legume

      That would be amazing. She teams up with Tony and his frantic paranoia and her slick social game get them to the end with some goat, and she wins for having less blood on her hands (whereas Tony walks into final tribal looking like Carrie at the prom.)

      • Alycia Swift

        I want to go to there.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I said her way is to sit with Troy and Brad at the end or maybe Debbie but what a shitty season that would be apart from Sandra winning.

  • Come On In Here

    Ozzy and Cirie will join Boston Rob and Rupert in the 4-timers club.

    The 3-Timers club adds 6 people.

    • Varner, Malcolm, Sandra, Andrea, JT, and who?

    • Hornacek

      Not Rupert. He says he only played 3 times because his turn on BvW doesn’t count.

      • Come On In Here

        I don’t care what Rupert thinks!

        • Hornacek

          ROAR!

  • Mike Hirsch

    I’m mostly ok with this. Man, did I want Earl back though. I’m not over the moon about anyone, but also not really annoyed with anyone in the cast (yet. Give it time). I somewhat question the returns of Ciera and Varner so soon after returning last year, but can’t question it fully because Varner is a delight and Ciera is all about playing the game, in case you haven’t heard.

    The interesting thing will be watching Tony’s paranoia reach critical mass midway through day 1.

    • Alycia Swift

      Earl would have been great. Penner too.

    • Adam B.

      Jeff Varner is up there with Cochran, Rob Mariano and the person who sexually assaulted Sue during All-Stars as being among the best narrators the show has. Funny, self-aware.

      • Alycia Swift

        I’d add Penner, and for a female, Aubry, to that list.

        • Cirie is in this cast, guys. She’s sitting *right there*!

          • Alycia Swift

            Oh yea! Ok,Aubry would be second-best narrator to Cirie. Although Sandra is one too.

      • I think I will speak for Emma here and say we are missing Courtney Yates on this list. In fact, didn’t someone do a list of Best narrators on this very site not too long ago?

      • Kemper Boyd

        Sandra is a great narrator for that reason. Completely self aware, very funny and does not sugar coat anything.

      • sharculese

        Don’t forget the Rob Who Sucks.

  • turgid_legume

    Tier “Fuck Yeah!” — Aubry, Varner, Cirie, Debbie, Sandra, Tony

    Tier “Sure, fine” — Andrea, Caleb, Ciera, JT, Malcolm, Hali (ish)

    Tier “I’m actually ok with this” — Troyzan

    Tier “not built for this game” — Tai

    Tier “her?” — Brad, Sarah, Sierra, Hali (ish)

    Tier “no spoilerz” — whoever the fuck A, whoever the fuck B

    Tier “DO NOT WANT” — Ozzy

    • Mike Hirsch

      I agree overall with your list, but especially Tier “I’m actually ok with this.”

      And ESPECIALLY Tier “DO NOT WANT.”

    • Alycia Swift

      Shouldn’t “her?” also be “him?” :).

      I am somewhat ok with your list except I’d put Ozzy, Brad and Troyzan on do not want list and combine “I’m actually ok with this” and “not built for this game – as Tai only.

    • sharculese

      I kind of already hate whoever the fuck B, so I’m super not excited about this.

  • Come On In Here

    Survivor put both Ciera and Sierra on Season 34 just to mess with everyone. Good luck Podcasters!

    • turgid_legume

      Call them Cutlass and High for short.

    • I’m going to refer to one of them as “the pretty one”, and never clarify which I’m referring to.

      • Alycia Swift

        Wouldn’t the tall one and the short one work. Or the mom and the other. 🙂 Blonde and brunette. Player and fixture. (Ciera did try and play. Sierra not so much from what we saw.)

        • I was thinking Mama and Model.

          • Alycia Swift

            I like that but is Sierra really a model. I know she lists herself as one.

          • I thought she was a barrel racer.

          • Alycia Swift

            She was. But she also lists model.

          • I completely misread your previous comment. I think she wants to be a model but she is also getting a degree in criminal justice so who knows?

          • corndogshuffle

            I think that’s what models do when they aren’t taking pictures.

          • I don’t know about that. A little girl from my area just died while barrel racing her horse-not a recreational activity for sure.

          • corndogshuffle

            You just found a gap in my knowledge… I never realized barrel racing involved horses. I always imagined it was more like that barrel challenge from Worlds Apart (please bring it back in that form Jeff). Just googled it and it looks pretty dangerous.

          • I grew up watching a friend of mine barrel racing, so that is definitely a field of knowledge that I have along with calf roping and mutton busting.

          • corndogshuffle

            I live inside the Capital Beltway and I’m genuinely not sure where I would have to go to find a venue for barrel racing. Or even a horse, for that matter.

          • sharculese

            Probably the panhandle or W VA?

          • That would have been my guess as well. Maryland is probably too northern for that.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            That is a line that should be used on every first date ever!

          • If only that was a limited field of knowledge in my area…

        • AubrysWinnersEdit

          Ciera and… wait who’s the other Sierra?

    • What about Big Moves vs No Moves?

      • Alycia Swift

        That is the best. The winner.

    • sharculese

      It could go like Cambodia where despite there being two Kelly’s it works out fine because you only ever have to talk about one of them.

      And it’s Sierra, so it wouldn’t be at all shocking if that happened.

    • Hornacek

      Does this mean both of them will be elevated to the status of Last Namers? Like Wentworth and the other one?

      I always felt that Kelley should have thanked Kelly for agreeing to be on the season because through no action on her part she got elevated to the status of “player that Jeff calls by their last name”, an exclusive (but growing) club.

    • Roswulf

      I think we should all root for a Sierra/Ciera/Sara/Cirie Final Four, purely for linguistic reasons.

  • Black Dynamite

    My one wish is for Cirie to do well. I can’t take it if she’s out early and I will never root harder for anyone to win as I will with Cirie in 34.

    • For me, there’s a group that I’ll be rooting for. There are a small handful of people (basically Troy and Ozzy) that I will be actively rooting against. But even if one of my favorites doesn’t win, I’m fine with it as long as we get a good season (Jeremy wasn’t one of my favorites before Cambodia, but that was a great season).

  • George Vargo

    What is the tribe breakdown guesses

    Tribe A

    Tony
    Sandra
    Malcolm
    Debbie
    Tai
    Hali
    Brad
    Andrea
    Survivor 33 Male
    Cirie

    Tribe B
    JT
    Survivor 33 Female
    Ozzy
    Sarah
    Troyzan
    Sierre Dawn
    Caleb
    Aubry
    Varner
    Ciere

    • Max_Jets

      That tribe A is pretty amazing. I would love to see Sandra and Tony interact. Pearl Islands 2 with Tony as Fairplay?

      • Black Dynamite

        “Where’s that snake motherfucker Tony?!!”

      • sharculese

        Hopefully they bond over their love of eavesdropping.

        • Oh my gosh, they can build their own spy shack/fish dumping headquarters.

      • Side Character

        Pearl Islands 2 was Heroes vs. Villains.

    • Purplerockmatt

      I don’t think they will put Sandra and Cirie on the same tribe, I think those two get split up

      • If they don’t, it’s because they want that tribe to go to tribal council first.

        • Purplerockmatt

          also I think caleb is opposite Ozzy, and Malcolm opposite JT to balance strength (maybe Brad and Tony opposite for the same reason)

        • Roswulf

          And that would mean they want Cirie and/or Sandra to be early boots, which goes against every principle of entertaining television.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I would fucking LOVE to see it but also hate because one of them would likely go first.

        • Black Dynamite

          I need them to both make the merge. The more Cirie and Sandra, the better for all of us.

          • Kemper Boyd

            agreed.

      • I think they will put Ciera and Sandra together, so that Sandra has a bit of a cushion under her.

        • Purplerockmatt

          going for a Courtney-Sandra redux?

  • andythesaint

    Fun (?) game: pick three players you’d like to replace on this season. Challenge: A) you need to replace them with people from the rumoured cast and B) the replacement should be of a similar role. (Thus you can’t just grab the three people you least like and replace them with your three favs).

    • Mike Hirsch

      Tony, Sierra and Sarah for Earl, Nat B and Chelsea.

    • andythesaint

      So here’s mine:

      -Replace Aubry with Sophie. Four Kaoh Rong players seems a bit much, and she’s the one that could probably best use some time off between appearances.
      -Replace Sierra with Alexis. If we have to have a relatively anonymous pretty face, I’d prefer it to be one from a season that was awesome.
      -Replace Troyzan with Marty. Overrated middle-aged white guys from shitty seasons. I’ll take the one that’s better on podcasts.

      • Purplerockmatt

        I want to replace Troy with Penner but I am not sure what their roles are anyway

        • andythesaint

          Yeah, the only role Troyzan every played was “barely credible antagonist to Kim for an episode or so”.

        • Come On In Here

          That would have put Penner in the 4-timers club, which I would be fine with.

      • hardcöre umlaut

        That description of Troy and Marty is perfect! Although I think I would prefer Troy to Marty on-screen. They are both full of themselves, but Marty bloviates a hell of a lot more.

      • Come On In Here

        I’ve never heard Troyzan on a podcast. Think you can arrange that?

        I actually think Marty and Alexis are both better picks in that they feel like people who still have something left in the tank, where Sierra and Troyzan fall under the “I’m good” situation.

        • I can arrange you hearing Troy on someone *else’s* podcast, sure. But never ours.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Replace Aubry with Sophie for the exact reason you cited.
        Replace a “her?” female with Sabrina or Chelsea: I want to see if the GOAT’s skills are learnable.
        Just generally replace one of the 10 (10!!!) players from seasons 30-33 with someone from an older season.

        Hey since the first episode of Gabon was a double-episode, are we watching three episodes (four hours) or two (three hours) this week?

        I watched the first half of the first episode last night. It’s probably impossible to watch Gabon without being prejudiced by its reputation, but jeez Louise this cast seems dreadful.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I’d also like to see if Sabrina is good (and I think she is) just got bested by the best.

        • We’re watching episodes 1-3. So yes, four hours- I didn’t realize the premiere was a double episode before we set the schedule.

          • Black Dynamite

            I got to get on Gabon tonight. So this is what it feels like to have homework on summer vacation.

          • Yes, please do. Because the post goes up tomorrow.

          • Alycia Swift

            I’m not going to make it. I haven’t started and its nearly 8:30 p.m. I am still at work. Sigh.

          • Just jump in once you start watching. The posts will still be here.

      • sharculese

        Cirie in for Sandra, because I’m on the ‘let’s not risk Sandra’s perfect record’ train

        Alexis for Sieera for all the reasons you said, plus I think under the right circumstances Alexis might have game.

        Penner for Troyzan because they’re both arrogant older white dudes so this is totally a legit swap, dammit.

        • andythesaint

          Cirie already is in.

        • Something Quirky

          Maybe Sabrina instead of Sandra? Wait, or Natalie Anderson, that makes more sense.

    • I’d replace Troy with Penner. And I’ll replace Sierra with whatever her comp is- Chelsea? Alexis? Danni?

      • andythesaint

        The problem with replacing Troy with a fav is that it feels like an insult to the fav.

      • I could see a Sierra/Danni replacement plausible. Tall, pretty athletic sorta boring girls.

        • Alycia Swift

          I’d also see Ciera/Danni.

          • Explain their roles please because I can’t see it right now.

          • Alycia Swift

            Well I’d go with both being brunette but its more like they are gamers and have good social skills. Danni was not flashy, and held things close to her chest, unlike Ciera who tried to be flashy she did make moves – she basically played a quieter version of Chris’ game. Sierra just did not do anything. They are on the opposite ends though as far as physical challenge ability.

          • Brunette social gamers makes a lot of sense.

        • Danni is much more my type, too. So that would work for me.

      • Come On In Here

        I remember from One World that I enjoyed watching Chelsea more and more as the season goes on, but I can’t for the life of me remember the reasons why…

    • corndogshuffle

      Remove: Aubry
      Add: Natalie Bolton

      I’m justifying their roles as similar by calling their role “close but no cigar”. I want to see Aubry again but it’s very soon and there are a ton of Kaoh Rong-ers.

      Remove: Sandra
      Add: Danni

      Female winner role. I want to see Sandra play again but I want her to have a chance to actually play and I’m not convinced that will happen against a cast with anything but all-winners. This also gives Guatemala it’s long overdue first returnee (seriously it’s well past time Guatemala got more love than Gabon or Nicaragua or Redemption Island or One World or Ozzy) (no Stephenie you don’t count as a Guatemala returnee).

      Remove: Tai
      Add: Penner

      Charismatic mid-50’s dude who is awesome at being awesome, but not awesome at being awesome at Survivor. This also cuts the Kaoh Rong cast down to just two people.

      Edit: Ciera just missed being cut, mostly because I didn’t want to replace only women. Plus I needed a way to put Penner on this season.

    • Other Scott

      Replace JT with Earl – Because I want to see Earl play again in a season where things don’t go perfectly for him from a gameplay perspective, whereas I more or less know what JT looks like as a frontrunner and an underdog.

      Replace Troyzan with Jon Misch – I need to get Jon Misch in there, and this seems like the closest comp.

      Replace Ciera with Alexis – I’m not much of a Ciera fan, and Alexis is pretty much the quintessential person with potential who got sorta swap screwed.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Sierra with Nat Bolton – the ages don’t match but the roles do.
      Troyzan with Jon Misch – I’ll take puppy Jon over douche Troy.
      then finally Aubry with Sophie – yeah Sophie won but this is a similar mould.

    • Side Character

      1) Earl over JT. Charismatic winner, both won with a unanimous vote, plus we’re really lacking in the diversity department on the male side.

      2) Alexis over Hali. Nondescript attractive woman voted out in the middle of the game, but Alexis had potential.

      3) Natalie Anderson over Sandra. Sandra is one of, if not my favourite player ever, and I will cheer for her here. But I don’t want to see her get voted out (though if she makes the jury, that would be amazing to watch). Natalie is a winner who, like Sandra, got no votes against her in her first season, adds to the diversity of the cast, and gives some good confessionals. And I’d like to see Natalie compete against veterans. She might have to play a bit harder a bit earlier, and if we base off the moves that she made her first season, I think she could do well.

  • turgid_legume

    Anybody want to speculate as to whether there’s a Redemption Island in play? I hope to god it’s not.

    • Black Dynamite

      Redemption Island died on the way back to its home planet.

    • AubrysWinnersEdit

      Given that Ozzy’s coming back, I see no reason as to why this can’t be the season of bringing things back for the fourth time that had no business being brought back in the first place.

    • Hornacek

      The only reason I would be happy if it was back would be if Ozzy deliberately sent himself to RI again.

  • AubrysWinnersEdit

    AUBRY, CIRIE, VARNER, AND SANDRA
    AUBRY, CIRIE, VARNER, AND SANDRA
    AUBRY, CIRIE, VARNER, AND SANDRA

    Almost makes up for Ozzy, Troyzan, and Brad… almost.

    I’m still holding out for that magical season where all of Wine and Cheese is brought back.

  • Roswulf

    So…question for the assembled. What are the backlog seasons that are highest priority for viewing before this season airs?

    I’m especially looking at this from the perspective of the Lady Roswulf, who has seen Cook Islands, Fiji, and China (well, most of China- we’ll finish it up this week- in case anyone is wondering, I am now a full convert to the church of Courtney Yates), and Cagayan onwards. She is more-or-less-unspoiled otherwise, and wants to remain as unspoiled as possible, at least for the good seasons.

    So the question is a hybrid of “which seasons with returning players are good”, “which seasons are important to understand these players”, and “which seasons are likely to be meaningfully spoiled by watching this season.” I expect we’ll watch four or five old seasons before 34 drops. At the moment, my plan is to prioritize the Cirie and Sandra seasons (that is Pearl Islands, Panama, Micronesia, and HvV)- any other recommendations?

    • Max_Jets

      Maybe throw in some Tocantins if you watch a 5th?
      Redemption Island, South Pacific and One World aren’t worth it. Caramoan would be good for introducing Malcolm and Andrea, but maybe you would prefer introducing her to Malcolm with Philippines.

    • I think all of the people on this cast have played from HvV through season 33, so as long as you’ve seen that stretch you would have seen them all play at least once.

      I’d highly recommend Tocantins, both because I love it and so you’re familiar with JT. But peak Sandra is Pearl Islands, and peak Cirie is still probably Panama even though she was great in Micronesia.

      I really wouldn’t bother watching One World to see Troy; he isn’t worth it. Philippines is a great one to get familiar with Malcolm. Don’t watch Redemption Island for Andrea, as that also isn’t worth it.

      • Alycia Swift

        Panama – just for Cirie’s gigle. And the fact that she is a nurse. I won’t say more.

        Agree on One Word for Troy. There are also some nasty people on that season.

    • andythesaint

      I think you’re on the right track. Plus, as Max_Jets suggests, Tocantins for JT (HvV will give a REALLY warped perception).

      • Roswulf

        I’ll consider Tocantins, thanks to all- my main reason for not listing it is that the Lady Roswulf really dislikes being spoiled, and she knows from Second Chances that Fishbach comes in second while his alpha male partner wins in a landslide.

        There are also knock on effects of course- what should be viewed before Micronesia (Vanuatu?), what should be viewed before HvV (The aforementioned Tocantins? Palau? Australia? Samoa?)…

        I suppose the real answer is to just watch everything in order, but only half of my household is the sort to participate in a communal viewing of Gabon. And the return of Sandra in 34 provides a deadline for getting up to HvV.

        On the other hand, we did watch ten episodes of Survivor yesterday.

        • Too bad she’s spoiled on Tocantins. Maybe do Philippines first, then? The key is to only watch good seasons. Otherwise Lady Roswulf may not want to continue the binge.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Tocantins has the best one-two Survivor punch of all time: Coach and Tyson. Say what you will about later Coach, but those two in Tocantins are gold.

        • Alkanarra

          I’m actually going to say not to watch Samoa before HvV. That’s what I did and Russell wasn’t as overbearing since it wasn’t a one-man show.

          For HvV you don’t need Gabon or Palau since those players didn’t do much, though if she hates spoilers then try to fit Palau in before HvV because I believe it’ll give away Stephanie/Tom’s placement and Palau is a season you do not want to spoil. A lot of the HvV Colby/Jerri stuff might be odd without Australia, but it could be a nice surprise for her to go back later and see what a force of nature Colby was before the HvV backslide. Definitely Pearl Islands since it’s just a strong season in its own right and will make HvV’s winner more exciting / give her an idea of what to expect from Rupert. (So yes to Palau, Pearl Islands, Tocan. Australia is time dependent.)

          For Micronesia I actually think you’re set with just Cooks Islands and China. Panama maybe, but Cirie doesn’t really need the introduction. Vanuatu is borderline; Eliza and Ami are important to early-to-mid-game Micronesia, but if you’re tight on time then it can be skipped.

          And though it’s in its own void and not really important for returning characters other than Malcolm, Philippines is just straight up good television.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I’ll second the recommendation of skipping Samoa. IIRC HvV filmed before Samoa even aired, so in HvV Russell didn’t have a reputation preceding him, and also didn’t know the outcome of Samoa. So in a sense watching HvV first is a more pure viewing experience than audience at the time actually had.

            Also, and I say this a lot, Palau and Guatemala really should be watched back-to-back.

          • Alkanarra

            As an outed Stephanie fan I’d agree that yes, Palau and Guatemala go well together. But for the sake of watching to get background on Micro/HvV contestants, Guatemala can be tabled for later.

            In fact, for the sake of watching for *any* returnee season, Guatemala can be tabled for later.

            Poor Guatemala.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Pearl Islands is a great one. I’m lukewarm on Panama but the other 3 you have are 3 of my top 5 and MaxJets is dead on get Tochatins in before HvV.

    • andythesaint

      Also: we will be covering one of those seasons in our next rewatch.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Cirie, Sandra, and JT are the ones to focus on, as their seasons fit all three of your criteria. Malcolm also, although as a lower priority. If you watch those seasons, you’ll also have as much introduction to Ozzy and Andrea as you need. There’s probably no need to catch up on Culpepper or Troyzan unless you really like Survivor jackasses.

  • Black Dynamite

    Because I like ranking shit way too much, here are all the returnees listed in order of my excitement to see them again. Note: I’m not including Season 33 people.

    1. Cirie
    2. Sandra
    3. Varner
    4. Tony
    5. Andrea
    6. Malcolm
    7. Aubry
    8. Ciera
    9. Tai
    10. JT
    11. Caleb
    12. Sierra
    13. Debbie
    14. Brad
    15. Hali
    16. Sarah
    17. Ozzy
    18. Troyzan

    • Kemper Boyd

      1. Cirie
      2. Sandra
      3. Varner
      4. Andrea
      5.Malcolm
      6. Tony
      7. Aubry
      8. JT
      9. Ciera
      10.Hali I guess
      11-20. I would really rather not.

      • Max_Jets

        Very happy to see all this Andrea love. I hope she gets blindsided again and that her reaction is just as delightful as the last time.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Her reaction to losing is something that really helped her rise in my estimation, when it’s in such stark contrast to Brenda whining and crying about it especially.

        • Black Dynamite

          I came away incredibly impressed with Andrea in Caramoan. She is damn good television.

      • Black Dynamite

        Very similar lists. For me, I’m looking forward to my first 10 on the list. I could’ve waited a bit longer for Debbie and Caleb. I’m intrigued by Sierra and think she could potentially be more interesting this time around. The rest of the people I wish was somebody else.

    • Upvoted just because I like that ranking is your thing. If you watch Gabon with us, please continue to do rankings in the comments.

      • Black Dynamite

        Absolutely. I’m 20 minutes into Gabon and already have a lot to say.

        • So did we. You’ll see tomorrow.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I wanted to take notes because I had a lot of reactions but it turns out I don’t own a note pad. Will steal from work for next week.

      • DrVanNostrand

        Top Crystal Cox victories.

        • corndogshuffle

          1. (Vacated)
          2. (Vacated)
          3. (Vacated)

          Something like that?

    • 1-3. Cirie, Sandra, Tony in some order
      4. Malcolm
      5. Varner
      6. Ciera
      7. JT
      And the rest. I’m also concerned that this is just way too soon to bring back a lot of these people; for 8 of these people- almost half the cast!- their season filmed within the past year or so. To me that’s not enough time away.

      • Black Dynamite

        I agree with that 100%. I think it would have been beneficial to get names like Earl, Danni and Natalie B. See how the people in the middle seasons do on current day Survivor. As much as I like Kaoh Rong, they could’ve spread out the returns.

    • 1. Aubry (although it might be better for her to wait longer)
      2. Sandra
      3. Cirie
      4. Varner
      5. Tony
      6. Malcolm
      7. Ciera
      8. Hali
      9. Tai
      10. JT
      11. Andrea
      12. Debbie
      13. Sierra
      14. Sarah
      15. Caleb
      16. Brad
      17. Troyzan
      18. Ozzy

      • Kemper Boyd

        I strongly agree on Brad-Ozzy being bottom.

        • Phrasing.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Jeff’s dream…

    • Crappy

      1. Cirie

      2. Tony

      3. Malcolm

      4. Sandra

      5. Varner

      6. Aubry

      7. Andrea

      8. JT

      9. Debbie

      10. Brad C

      11. Tai

      12. Hali

      13. Ozzy

      14. Sarah

      15. Caleb

      16. Ciera

      17. Troyzan

      18. Sierra

  • Ethan Kyle

    Meh

    • Kemper Boyd

      Hopefully we’ll all find some of those who we aren’t sure of have a good showing, like Parvati or Wentworth.

  • In happier (?) but definitely off-topic news, my friend is almost finished with All Stars. She liked it at the beginning, but the season was too long and it was too obvious who was going to the end. I look forward to hearing her reaction to FTC.

    • sharculese

      My roommate came home as I was finishing up China and when I asked if she was cool with me keeping it on she said “yeah, I said I was coming home to watch Survivor with you.”

      We watched like the final 4 hours together, but she’s not at the watching it on her own stage, yet.

      Also: Rewatching China gave me thoughts on the social game I’m going to post in the Gabon thread.

      • Interesting…One of my brothers is really into strategy card games like Rook, so I think that if he gives Survivor a chance, he could really like it. He watched the finale and thought it was “meh”, but that could be a good sign.

        What did your roommate think about the end of China?

        • sharculese

          She’s heavily resisting having opinions about this. I honestly don’t see her ever being more than a casual, but when it’s on she likes it.

          • Fair enough. What season is next on the agenda?

          • sharculese

            It’s up in the air. I’m watching The Path right now (note to everyone: The Path is fucking awesome) and then it’s either Tocantins or HvV or maybe just the new season of Bloodline.

          • Black Dynamite

            Co-sign on The Path endorsement.

          • sharculese

            I didn’t think Hugh Dancy could be better than he was on Hannibal, and well, he’s not, but he’s still incredible as Cal.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Wow, how the The Path stay off my radar until just now? It sounds like it has a fair amount in common with The Leftovers (season 2 of which should be in the conversation for greatest season in TV history, although the front half of the first season is a tough slog).

          • sharculese

            It’s probably not directly analogous to The Leftovers, for one it’s very obviously about Scientology with just enough changed to make a lawsuit difficult, but the performances are strong, and, if you like the one, chances are you’ll like the other.

          • I hated The Leftovers (I tried both season 1 and season 2, and I quit halfway through both). But thanks for the heads up on The Path, because I’m down to watch Jesse Pinkman get involved in a cult.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Hating The Leftovers is an entirely reasonable reaction, as opposed to hating, say, The Wire. The show’s definitely not for everybody, and I don’t mean that in any condescending way. It’s asking a lot of the audience to make the driving forces of your story 1) a completely opaque supernatural event and 2) a cult that’s being an irritating nuisance on purpose. I will say that the sixth episode of both seasons are spectacular, so if you literally gave up halfway through you gave up at exactly the wrong point.

          • It was partly just the onslaught of depressing awfulness with no real clarity as to why it was occurring. I think I might have made it through episode 6 of the first season; I definitely didn’t make it there in the second.

          • I think I may be pulling a Lisa Whelchel soon and watching the good (HvV) and the bad (Gabon) at the same time. Lord have mercy on my soul

    • Hornacek

      If your friend doesn’t like happiness, tell her to watch the last couple of All Stars episodes with the commentary from BR, Amber, Jenna L and Rupert from the last disc of the DVD set. It’s as painful as it sounds.

      • Luckily she is watching it on CBS All Access, so she does not have that option. She is off to Palau next!

  • itsafuckingSTICK

    Winner, Winner, Burnt Hat Dinner

  • Crappy

    Only players I am excited to see back – Tony, Malcolm, Aubrey, Debbie, Cirie, Maybe Varner too
    And there is a good chance we will have All Stars type situation and most of the above list will be gone.. bah!

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    I’m still in the process of reading all the comments, but I have one thought and one question about the cast at this point:
    1. Thoroughly middle of the road returning cast for me. It seems basically solid over all, with a few minor blips, whether positive (Varner!), negative (Ozzy!!!!!!!) or WTF (Ciera again already??). Because of this, I have some hope that it could actually turn out to be a great season, since there’s plenty of room for good, hard game play.
    2. Do we have any idea what the theme will be yet? I saw suggestions a while ago that it would have something to do with previous finishing place, but that seems to have fallen apart a bit with the final cast…

    • I haven’t seen any suggestions for a theme yet that would fit the cast they ended up with.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        You can almost pair everybody up by gender and season they were on (Andrea and Malcolm, Sarah and Tony, etc.). However, it doesn’t work because there are two females from Worlds Apart (Hali and Sierra) and there’s no match for Troyzan.

        Stupid Troyzan.

      • Something Quirky

        Gen X vs Millenials 2 : Survivor Returnee Boogaloo?

        (I know that doesn’t work out.)

  • Ozzy over Penner? Boooo. Ozzy better be the friggin’ first boot!

  • Something Quirky

    As much as I was always high on the Ciera bandwagon, this seems like an odd choice. But I could say that about half the cast.

  • Dutch

    I have to say, I’m a little disappointed by this cast. I just feel that, for the castaways they had available, the cast isn’t quite at it’s fullest potential (ie: Sarah, Hali, Sierra, Troyzan, and, to an extent, Andrea, among others). I feel the Heroes vs. Villains cast (which I am currently watching the full season for the first time), was spot on.

    However, I am completely stoked for the upcoming 2 seasons of Survivor – hopefully we have plenty more seasons to follow!