Survivor Cambodia Episode 12 Liveblog – “Tiny Little Shanks to the Heart”

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Wrap Thoughts and Three Up and Three Down:
Down goes Joe! Down goes Joe!  (I said it twice because the first one is for him collapsing and the second is for him being voted out, duh).  But seriously, Joe was a beast this season, and him fainting was scary, but you absolutely have to eliminate him when you got the chance.  Can’t let two opportunities pass you by.  Now the question seems to be will the women’s alliance be the way forward this season, or will it be Tasha, Jeremy and Spencer?
Three Up:
Keith (he slew the golden boy!), Kelley (won immunity, controlled the vote, having a great season), Tasha (After weeks of being out of the loop Tasha sits in the center of it all).
Three Down:
Jeremy (the thought of a women’s alliance terrifies him), Joe’s dominance (bye bye challenge beast, you beasted too hard, too long), Keith’s random Tasha vote (Keith gonna Keith y’all).
Savage Corner: Nothing new this week.  Still wearing that beanie, and sad to see Joe go.
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  • gouis

    Go Northwestern!

  • Kemper Boyd

    Guys, Kimmi said “I didn’t leave my family to be a pawn” she’s going right? right?

    • Violina23

      And then someone (Tasha?) Said they weren’t going to sit around and be a pawn… I think they left that in for irony 🙂

      • Kemper Boyd

        After the episode was over I saw that this in fact signals the beginning of Kimmi as a player, I think she’ll be more prominent next week (but maybe she’ll still go).

  • Scarlett3639

    The father & son man buns are the most glorious things I have ever seen.

    • Scarlett3639

      Now I’m mad Joe didn’t make the family visit last season. I could have used those luscious locks to help get me through that mess.

    • Ms_Woozah

      Joe’s father looked like a British General during the Revolutionary War. It was strangely fitting.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        He’s a general, wheeeeee!

  • Kemper Boyd

    This is like the car reward. You don’t want to be making this decision. I agree with Tyson on this, don’t win rewards, it’s too much pressure .

    • Scarlett3639

      Did they learn nothing from Cochran? Lose the family reward and hope the winner picks you to go with.

      • Violina23

        I’m waiting for someone to say “can I forfeit the challenge and catch up with my mom for 5 minutes?”

        • sharculese

          In all seriousness, I would looove to see more of players looking for ways to sit out out of individual challenges. Yes there’s a contract, and yes Eliza will throw a tantrum on Twitter, but it’s clear that production is willing to indulge this and that it can lead to good tv, so let’s see people play with the boundaries of what the show is willing to do.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Also when will Eliza not throw a tantrum on Twitter?

          • sharculese

            When either Twitter or her wifi is experiencing issues?

    • Roswulf

      This one ended up being a pretty interesting one to win. Kelley got to pick five of eight, so it was a chance to solidify a majority alliance. If she did end up finalizing a Keith-Kimmy flip away from Spencer, winning was definitely worthwhile.

      • Kemper Boyd

        And as Andy has said it’s a jury vote winner with Joe.

  • Kemper Boyd

    In other news I totally own those IKEA throw cushions from the local Abbey something or other bank commercial on the stream I am watching

  • Kemper Boyd

    Oh Savage, that is another hideous shirt.

  • Kemper Boyd

    The Wentworth, Abi, Kimmi FTC is ON.

  • Kemper Boyd

    New favourite tweet ever:

    https://twitter.com/GypsyKya/status/672232715010330625

    Hi, have we not been watching the same show? This is why I love Survivor.

    • VoicOff

      I found one who “doesn’t want another Sandra”. Those fucking people…

      • Kemper Boyd

        WHO DOESN’T WANT ANOTHER SANDRA? ALL I WANT IS ANOTHER SANDRA. or just Sandra to win the third time she plays!

        • Ms_Woozah

          Sandra will be the only acceptable winner in an all winner’s season. Like I don’t even want that season if The Queen doesn’t win. (That’s a lie, I totally want that season)

          • Kemper Boyd

            Sandra is basically the first boot or the winner. She admits to being possibly the least gifted challenge competitor ever yet she’s won twice. You are right though, I may well riot if she didn’t win the all winner’s season. Only problem would be the winners she has played with, Rob, Tyson and Parvati may well want her gone for that reason.

          • Barbara Anderson

            That’s why I don’t want her playing in that season-she should co-host it with Probst.

      • Kemper Boyd

        It’s also a cesspool of sexism in those tweets, basically no one likes women who succeed even a little.

        • VoicOff

          Yup, the poster child for “internalized misogyny”

          • Purplerockmatt

            How can anyone be annoyed by Kimmi this season, she hasn’t had enough screen time to be annoying

          • sharculese

            That accent though…

          • Ms_Woozah

            barf

        • purplerockpodcast

          Did you see the Rupert tweet about it? It wasn’t even subtle. (And why would it be? Nothing about Rupert is subtle.)

          • VoicOff

            which tweet ?

          • Kemper Boyd

            He tweeted “why do girls always try and do an all girls alliance but guys don’t” the answer is the inherent sexism in the game, much like in life means it is easier for a woman to win against other women.

          • sharculese

            Said this in Emma’s post on the widows, but will say it again – I think the major reason is that, despite perceptions, gender actually is too slender of a reed to base an alliance on. The times people have made an effort to set up a women’s alliance, it has failed. The times it’s succeeded, it comes less down to their gender and more to the fact that you had a bunch of people with ties to one person (Parvati or Kim) and all of those people happened to be women.

            Generally you need one person of the gender in question who feels different enough from the other people of that gender to make a gender-based alliance not happen. Best example is probably the the Three Amigos thinking they could court Cochrane to bro down with them. And that is probably the most successful men’s alliance in the history of the show, vying with Rob, Butch, and Matt in Amazon being like “fuck it, let’s just be dudes to the end because why not.”

          • Kemper Boyd

            I fully agree with you. The black widow brigade worked so well because of the social bonds they had and the strengths of each woman complementing each other not because it was women.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Basically though men are terrified of being made to look as stupid as the Black Widow Brigade made Ozzy, Siska, James and Erik so they believe any women getting together will be dangerous and it isn’t always the case.

          • sharculese

            Oh for sure, I think men are frequently terrified of a women’s alliance coming together. But, like a lot of fears on Survivor, it’s not rational. Even tonight, where the women’s desire won out, we saw one woman seriously question whether this was in her best interest.

          • Kemper Boyd

            The irony being her other option is two men who have way better narratives to tell the jury and will almost certainly destroy her at FTC or she can go with 3 women and maybe Keith of whom only 1 should be a certainty to defeat her.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I will say at this point I’d be interested in a Spencer v Jeremy final solely for the fact that it would likely give us a very close jury vote. Or at least the potential for one. I don’t see a Kelley win having a close vote

          • Barbara Anderson

            Agreed.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I’m assuming based on how many days left and how many people left we are getting a final 3. Unless it’s Kelley with Spencer and Jeremy there is no way the 3rd gets a vote though. That would be the best final 3 ever though Wentworth v Spencer v Jeremy with 10 vote, could easily be a 3-3-4.

          • Purplerockmatt

            yeah it would never happen but that would be an excellent final three. I was saying Jeremy v Spencer because yeah the third person (other than Wentworth) wouldn’t get a vote

          • Prom King

            In all fairness to Jeremy, his alliances always include women.

          • VoicOff

            It wasn’t a stone thrown at Jeremy, he just was very vocal about wanting to keep as much (strong) guys around him as possible. And no one bats an eye. But that’s a dude alliance.

          • Prom King

            I just don’t see that as his alliance, or any alliance. His alliance has always been Tasha, Kimmi, Stephen, and later Spencer. Joe and Savage are his meat shields – not people he wanted to potentially bring to the end, just people he wanted around for a while as buffers. (Although I’m sure Savage and Joe thought differently.)

          • Kemper Boyd

            His “why don’t men get together?” tweet? Yeah, I did. Rupert, that’s called, lots of other standard alliances no one freaks out over.

  • sharculese

    So… wherever she is right now, I’m assuming that Kelley is currently regretting that she said “I would love to do all the women,” and that she said it quietly enough that the had to caption it.

    • purplerockpodcast

      Spoiler: That shit is ending up in my Survivor blog this week.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Is this going into your bank of great Survivor moments along with Natalie Bolton’s jury question?

        • purplerockpodcast

          Nah. The greatest moment of Micronesia will always be “It’s a fucking stick.” Natalie’s question is up there for most awkward moment, though.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I just meant for those with a dirty mind…

          • purplerockpodcast

            Kelley’s comment will probably be forgotten at some point, unless of course she wins the season and they throw that into her winner’s montage. Which, *fingers crossed*.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Or an industrious podcaster can make it a thing…

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I mean, just last season Sierra said she would love to do all girls.

      • sharculese

        Probst gets to spend an hour talking about gripping long poles and it’s not the most inappropriate out of context coment. That is amazing.

  • VoicOff

    I am surprized, very, very surprised that Kelley didn’t learn a trick or two from Cochran and let that challenge go. You never, ever, ever want to be the person who says who gets a family visit and who don’t. Just makes yourself a target for everybody’s bitterness

    And shut up Abi, Joe’s hair looked amazing. It was like seeing a Disney Princess getting voted out. So shiny. I was waiting for cartoon birds to come and braid it.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I literally said this down below, Tyson was on RHAP and basically said don’t try in reward challenges as it’s more hassle than it’s worth.

      • Purplerockmatt

        Unless you are Joe and need the constant reward food to help you win more immunity challenges

        • Kemper Boyd

          Yeah, if you are someone who is obviously the target anyway then you might as well, but it’s something that puts a target on you for being seen to win and choosing who gets to have it.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I also like the backwards Erik in Caramoan strategy which is you sandbag immunities until you need them but win rewards because food dude. Of course even reward food couldn’t stop him from collapsing. Actually that raises an interesting point, I wonder if a lot of reward food keeps your body from fully adapting to starvation conditions and makes it more susceptible to sudden system shock?

          • sharculese

            Supposedly Erik’s problem in Caramoan wasn’t a lack of food, but that he got an infection in his leg that slowly spread to the rest of his body.

          • Purplerockmatt

            huh I never heard that before

          • sharculese

            Rob talks about it on that Evolution of Strategy chapter, but yeah, apparently he claims he got a cut on his leg during a challenge that went really badly

    • Other Scott

      On the other hand, you really want to spend time with your family and the only way to guarantee it is to win.

      • purplerockpodcast

        Brenda in Caramoan begs to differ (silently, of course, as that’s how Brenda in Caramoan rolls).

        • sharculese

          Also Matt in Amazon.

  • Kemper Boyd

    I have a serious question for you all. What value was there to Tasha telling Spencer and Jeremy about an all women final 4? (also I refuse to say all girl when Wentworth is the youngest at 29). Had she not, Joe goes home, Jeremy and Spencer believe they are all clear with Kimmi and Tasha and give maybe a week when they can vote out Keith without Tasha having to show her cards. or blindside one of them before final 6.

    Also why did Keith vote for Tasha?

    • Scarlett3639

      I think she was trying to prove her loyalty to them.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I just don’t think that was worth it. She should have the skills to say to them if they find out “guys, I’m playing them”.

        • Purplerockmatt

          yeah but I don’t think Tasha is actually that good at the game…

          • Barbara Anderson

            Yeah…her social game is definitely weak.

          • Scarlett3639

            I’m surprised Spencer was worried about Tasha’s loyalty. Aren’t they tight? Didn’t they run their Mr & Miss Survivor campaigns together?

          • Purplerockmatt

            Spencer and Stephen were tight pregame too…

          • Scarlett3639

            Do the sacred bonds forged between people who spent a season with Kass and Tony mean nothing anymore?

            Can we compare this to Boston Rob turning on Lex and Kathy in All Stars or is that a stretch?

          • VoicOff

            Apparently everybody’s friend with Spencer, up until the moment when they are in the game and he wants them out (Vytas, Stephen..)

          • Scarlett3639

            For his sake I hope he wins this season because if he comes back a third time he will have way too big of a target on his back.

          • VoicOff

            If he comes back a third time i am afraid they will pull a Rob/Tyson and give him a tribe of newbie to slaughter. I would hate that

          • Barbara Anderson

            I don’t know, but it is interesting that Tasha, Jeremy, Spencer, and Kelley who all competed in the same Miss/Mister Survivor contest are all still in.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Well we saw in Cagayan with Kass she probably isn’t.

        • Scarlett3639

          I absolutely agree. That is why I think Tasha is going to destroy her own game. I don’t think she is able to correctly judge what knowledge to share and what to keep to herself.

      • Barbara Anderson

        But that move also makes her look more like a goat because she hasn’t been able to do any major post-merge moves.

    • Purplerockmatt

      there is a marginal value to Tasha telling them about it rather than them finding out about it another way, but there is more value to her keeping her options open because who else would tell them about it?

      • Kemper Boyd

        This is my feeling. She killed part of the value of the four horsewomen of the guypocalypse which is that no one thinks she and Kimmi are close to Wentworth and Abi.

        • Purplerockmatt

          Yup. I think Tasha is playing a losing game and I think the show is showing that her reads are consistently wrong

          • Barbara Anderson

            Was it her or Savage that saw the friction between Abi and Peih Gee?

          • Kemper Boyd

            That was her, but that is the very best thing she’s done and she never built on it.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Yeah she peaked on Angkor

          • sharculese

            Peaking on Angkor is maybe the only thing worse than peaking in high school.

          • Barbara Anderson

            What about Peaking on Ulong? cough Stephenie cough

          • Barbara Anderson

            Clearly…she could still have Abi in her pocket.

          • Kemper Boyd

            She doesn’t, Abi seems to genuinely feel connected to Wentworth.

          • Barbara Anderson

            No, I mean Tasha should have capitalized on their time together at Angkor to make sure that they were still tight. But, once she got back on Bayon, she threw away that tie.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Oh, yeah, totally true. She did the bad thing of going to her preferred alliance and not keeping any backups strong enough.

          • Barbara Anderson

            And she is almost doing it again tonight. The girls clearly want her and she could beat all of them (except for possibly Wenworth) at a FIC, but instead she wants to go with Spencer and Jeremy who will beat her at FTC.

          • Kemper Boyd

            She cannot beat Wentworth. She can’t. Savage votes for her but I think Wentworth has Kass and Ciera, if Abi is on the Jury Abi too. I think If it’s Kimmi, Wentworth, Tasha it’s as follows: Kimmi: Wigles. Wentworth: Joe, Keith, Ciera, Kass, Abi, Jeremy. Tasha: Savage. Stephen and Spencer probably vote for the better game and that Wentworth.
            If it’s Wentworth, Tasha, Abi then it’s much the same but Wigles votes Tasha and Kimmi is up in the air and Abi gets none.

          • Barbara Anderson

            But I think that Tasha could beat the other three at the FIC.

          • Kemper Boyd

            yeah, Kimmi and Abi almost certainly.

    • VoicOff

      Tasha wanted to solidify her alliance at all cost, but i don’t see her winning, so i don’t think that was the best move.
      Now she is in danger of the girls learning about her betrayal either in the game or if she outlast them, latter at Ponderosa.

    • Ms_Woozah

      I don’t even want to know the logic behind Keith’s vote. I’m happy with it being a crazy Keith mystery.

      • Diego Armando

        I suspect it may have been spite for Tasha insisting they vote out Joe instead of Abi.

      • Saturday Evening Palsy

        Keith is just laying the final red herrings in place at this point. He is using the Eastern Palmer Method of block-print handwriting to throw some shade on Jeremy right now. The man knows how to get inside some heads.

    • sharculese

      I’m gonna guess everyone assumed Keith was a solid Joe vote after all the talk he had last week about getting rid of Joe, so literally nobody bothered to check and Keith got weird Keith ideas.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Weirdly if you are taking out a woman for fear of the all women’s alliance then Tasha is the best vote here, more athletic than Kimmi and Abi with better links to other players.

        • sharculese

          Keith would only know about the women’s alliance if people are telling him things, though.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I know, that’s why it’s weird. He’s made a good strategic vote without having any of the things you need to a) get to that decision logically or b) anyone voting with him for it to work.

      • Kingoftonga

        Everyone in exit interviews keep talking about a tight Keith-Joe alliance. I wish we had seen more of it; even if it was strategically irrelevant, the very thought of the two of them scheming is just hilarious.

        • Ms_Woozah

          Especially since he was really Joe’s only challenge competitor and wanted to “take down the Golden Boy.”

          • Kemper Boyd

            Well he apparently had what Stephen believed was a very tight pre-game alliance with Fishbach so maybe he’s distrustful because of his own deceit.

        • Scarlett3639

          Wait… if Joe was tight with Keith and Joe was tight with Wigglesworth, does that mean the editing denied us the power trio of Joe, Keith and Wigles?!

    • Roswulf

      Because Tasha is still considering going with Spencer and Jeremy- she hasn’t committed to an all women plan. Her social bonds with the remaining women are really weak, and she wants to bump Kimmi/Keith for that alliance’s final 3 plan if she does go that way. And we’ve seen that Jeremy is somewhat inclined to ostentatious loyalty to his closest allies, so radical honesty towards him isn’t a bad gamble.

      • andythesaint

        Right. She’s trying to get a final three deal rather than final four (where she’s clearly fourth place). Or at least options in case the game swings in unexpected ways (which… is basically this whole season).

      • Kemper Boyd

        I still think the value wasn’t worth the risk. She had another vote before she needed to divulge this and it takes a much better player than Tasha to play the “I’m with you but I’m making them think I’m with them” strategy. Also being in the final 3 with Jeremy and Spencer is a much worse position for her than a final 4 with the women.

    • tocantins

      I think the value was clearly negative. But she was afraid of someone else telling them about the alliance (or they suspecting it), and then they would think she was totally backstabbing them, and gun for her really hard. So it was a safer move for her.

  • sharculese

    So where does Doctor Joe fall in the Survivor doctors rankings?

    • Kemper Boyd

      Below Doctor Ramona and her awesome sunglasses but above the french one who killed himself after the contestant died?

      • Ms_Woozah

        Yeesh. I forgot how dark French Survivor was.

        • Purplerockmatt

          very existentialist.

          • gouis

            “We are on ‘Survivor’, but is it enough to just survive? Mustn’t we thrive?”

      • gouis

        Doesn’t Dr. Ramona like medivac everyone she touches?

        • Kemper Boyd

          Yeah but she looks so damn cool.

  • Ms_Woozah

    Probst seemed almost a little too happy looking down on Joe while he was collapsed. A grin that said “look at how hardcore my boy is. I love him so much.”

    • sharculese

      Probst watched the rough cut of this episode and got so angry that someone else told Joe he was their best friend that he punched a hole in the wall.

    • Adam B.

      I was disturbed by Probst’s “this is what we wanted to see!” comments after handing out the necklaces. Folks needing medical intervention is not cool.

      • sharculese

        That was unbelievably weird.

      • purplerockpodcast

        It’s similar to football announcers praising guys for continuing to play after “getting their bell rung”.

    • Saturday Evening Palsy

      That seems both horrible and horribly true.

      I got a little scared that it was gonna be like that scene with Cheese in The Wire.

    • gouis

      He was basically smiling so hard tears were coming out of his eyes. He was crazed.

    • Other Scott

      I wonder if Joe was a little self-conscious after that though, just as a fan. Most of the time other people have collapsed during challenges it’s been major heart issues. Joe just fainted.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Well, I can safely say I never expected Kimmi to broach the idea of an all-women alliance. Excellent time to throw it out there, although it seems like Tasha is playing the Kimmi to Kimmi’s Monica here. If this blows up in Kimmi’s face next week, that’d be very poetic for this show.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Not hard basically if Tasha goes with Jeremy and Spencer, which is insanely dumb as she cannot beat them, they only need Keith and Keith is an anyone but me.

      • Mike Hirsch

        It’s a matter of which side remembers Keith is there first, I guess.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Yep, if Kelley uses her SJDS connection she could grab him, they were on a tribe together there for the pre-merge.

        • Kemper Boyd

          The other option is JST get Keith but Kelley idols herself again thus becoming the first winner to ever use an idol on themselves successfully twice.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I mean Jeremy could also use his second idol here. Geez we may be playing idol chicken next week

          • Kemper Boyd

            only 3 more tribals to use them at (fuck that’s still loads) but if either of them feel threatened I could see them going for it. I expect Jeremy will use his successfully and I now desperately hope Kelley does too and we finally see the “no valid votes” tribal council!

          • sharculese

            So then they fight for it?

          • Kemper Boyd

            Honestly in a battle to the death Hunger Games style tournament I predict Abi v Kimmi for the win.

          • Purplerockmatt

            What if Keith pulls another Keith and the no votes tribal turns into the “Keith’s random vote decides the game tribal”

          • Kemper Boyd

            I am kind of into this.

          • sharculese

            Yes. This.

          • Purplerockmatt

            It would be the peak Keith moment.

          • purplerockpodcast

            “Welp.” *spits*

          • Barbara Anderson

            Keith kinda did something like this (in spirit) in SJDS. If Keith had not said “Stick to the plan”, Natalie would not have won SJDS.

          • sharculese

            In her post game walkthrough with Rob, Natalie claimed she already knew Reed had organized a hit on Jon because it made no sense that he would give up Keith so easily. Who knows how much truth there is to that, but she put it out there.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Interesting. I wonder why she didn’t join on with Reed and that crew to get out Jon.

          • sharculese

            She didn’t say, but I would assume that it was because Jon trusted her and Reed didn’t. He had a crew at his control that straight up didn’t want to think about things, so if he took out Jon he would have been running the game and she wouldn’t have many, and possible not any, avenues to get back into the mix, whereas with Jon in control she could do basically whatever she wanted because Jon had no idea she was disloyal, and the person was most useful to her, Baylor, was effectively Jon and Missy’s pawn.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Good point. It would be a weird world if Reed Kelly was a winner of Survivor.

          • sharculese

            If Reed had won we probably would have gotten a lot more in the edit to condition us to the idea of Reed winning.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Another good point, but he seems built to be a jury member not a person at the FTC.

          • andythesaint

            More importantly, I’d have moved him up my Kelly standings.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Natalie’s move to save Jon when her long term goal was the blindside him in revenge for Jeremy is one of the reasons I consider her a fantastic player. The fact she saved a guy she didn’t like and was actively planning the downfall of because she needed him at that point is great gameplay. A lot of lesser players would have said “oh well, I’m really happy he’s gone and he left with an idol”.

        • Other Scott

          With 7 people? Both sides know Keith is there.

  • Scarlett3639

    Shirin liked my Tweet!! I’m somebody now!

    • VoicOff

      You made it

      • Scarlett3639

        I couldn’t have done it without a retweet from purplerockpod

        • purplerockpodcast

          I’m glad I managed to catch it. As you can imagine, my Twitter feed is pretty insane during an episode.

          • Scarlett3639

            It was a Hanukkah miracle.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Guys we are one step closer to Drewchebag Christie being right about Wentworth, to be fair I think he’s already been proven right.

    • Saturday Evening Palsy

      Drewchebag Christie. AKA the one with the closed mouth.

      Also the shitty one.

  • Diego Armando

    I have finished my review at https://wordpress.com/post/robertsreviewsandmusings.wordpress.com/161. Please feel free to let me know what you think.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I thought Wentworth’s choices for reward were all sensible except Joe. She has to pick Abi because she’s too reactionary not to, Keith is a pawn Kelley would like to own, Kimmi is at the beginning of an alliance with her. I think Joe allowed her not to have to choose between the 3 others, Tasha was a no-no so as not to tip off the all women thing and then you are choosing between Jeremy and Spencer and who wants that one?

      • Diego Armando

        I do agree. I don’t think there was a correct choice, but I think she should have taken Spencer with her to keep him loyal and from conspiring with Jeremy. It could all work out for her though.

        • Kemper Boyd

          He’s been conspiring with Jeremy for too long for that to be a reason, especially as it wasn’t a reward where the losers are at camp and the winners are away. They were all at camp, also she already found the idol so didn’t have to think about that.

      • andythesaint

        She was buying Joe’s jury vote.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Valid game play strategy. I actually think picking one of the 3 others was the worse play than picking Joe.

    • VoicOff

      just letting you know : the link doesn’t work

      • Diego Armando

        Corrected. Thank you.

  • Diego Armando

    And low the angels sang their magnificent aria, for Spencer proclaimed his love for Marcella.

  • Diego Armando

    So both idols are coming out next week, right?

    Next week will likely decide the winner; Jeremy or Spencer or Wentworth.

    I think the Jeremy Spencer side will win, but would not be stunned if Wentworth pulls this off.

  • Barbara Anderson

    Do you think they are forcing Spencer’s “I’ve changed. I told my girlfriend I loved her and I meant it” edit because he’s the winner and they want to promote the idea that the winner is someone who changed?

    • sharculese

      Nah, I think Spencer is just really good at giving material that works for confessionals.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Plus is well liked by the younger casual female fans.

        • Barbara Anderson

          Don’t forget the younger gay male fans.

          • sharculese

            From my personal experience, this is very true. I’ll refrain from reiterating any of the things my housemates said about him during Cagayan.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I would imagine he’s the highest vote getter in the fan vote left in the game. Remember CBS has hard evidence of who is liked by the fans and the edit may just be showing us a reflection of that.

          • itsafuckingSTICK

            Hadn’t even thought of it this way before but I agree with you.

          • Kemper Boyd

            It’s really interesting because the edit cannot not be influenced by the cold hard vote statistics as well as outcome. I’m assuming it’s why we’ve had quite a balanced edit, although Wigles got nothing she gave nothing but we have seen bits of everyone else, more than I feel we even did in HvV or FvF.

      • andythesaint

        It can be two things.

    • Scarlett3639

      Yes I do.

      Personally, I think that confessional he gave after he told her ” I love you” signals winner’s edit, but Jeremy and Wentworth have had their moments too. It’s too close to call at this point.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I agree with you, of the 3 who looks like they can win all have good redemption stories. Wentworth was the earliest boot and only non-merge boot to make the season. Jeremy has the story of winning for his wife and new baby. Even Kimmi has the I’ve not played in 15 years and now look at me story if they wanted to.

        • Barbara Anderson

          Kimmi was a pre-jury boot as well.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Shit she was, that was so long ago, but Kelley was the earliest boot right? Also the merge was later then I believe or was the jury just later?

          • sharculese

            Kelley and Kimmi were both 5th boots.

          • Kemper Boyd

            ok, am I think it’s earlier because I’m thinking placing and Kelley played with 18 where as Kimmi played as 16?

          • sharculese

            Probably, although it may also be a combination of Kelley being an early boot being way more recent and the fact that there’s a game explanation for why she goes out where she does, whereas Kimmi’s is more ‘let’s vote out the person we don’t like being around.’

          • Barbara Anderson

            Or “Let’s vote out the person that doesn’t bathe and that doesn’t sit well with us”…It was a different time for Survivor castaways

          • Kemper Boyd

            Very true. Also the thing that all the early players are more memorable because they were part of a show 50 million people were watching.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Kimmi was the fifth boot out of 16 on Day 15 and they merged at 10 but a tad earlier than expected because of Skupin’s medavac. In SJDS, Kelley was the fifth boot out of 18 on Day 13 and they merged at 12.

          • Kemper Boyd

            That’s the mind trick cos Kimmi was 12/16 but Kelley was 14/18 so it seems like she was earlier but is the same.

        • Scarlett3639

          I’m really surprised Tasha has been so uneventful this season. I was expecting more. She has had odd moments here and there but zip of an ongoing narrative. She either was playing a really safe, keep your head down game or she annoyed the producers.

          • Kemper Boyd

            basically the explanation could be anything form idoled out soon to 0 votes at FTC.

          • Barbara Anderson

            But the two that already been idoled out (Savage and Ciera) have had really interesting narratives despite how they went out.

          • Kemper Boyd

            This is true. So 0 votes at FTC. That’s now my new working theory.

          • Prom King

            I just assume she’s basically a bore. Except when she’s not.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Well according to sources she is “sainted up” so there is a chance that’s all the workable stuff they have off her and don’t want to show much of it.

          • Prom King

            What does that phrase mean?

          • sharculese

            It’s something Bryce said about her. I think the basic idea is that she’s someone who’s like ‘welp, I’m a Christian, so anything I do is righteous and if it’s not, who cares, because I can pray for forgiveness.’

          • Prom King

            Ah! That makes sense, thanks.

          • Prom King

            Also, ugh.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Bryce from Cagayan uses it to mean someone who is very religious and believes God cares about their game. I love it.

          • Prom King

            I now love it too.

          • andythesaint

            Occam’s razor.

          • Roswulf

            I honestly don’t think you have to be that much of a bore to get a weak edit this season. This is a great cast playing a strategically complicated game and milking the cameras shamelessly- the editors have lots of good footage.

            I think Keith is the great test case. I am 100% certain Keith is being genially, dopily amusing on a consistent basis, and has lasted quite far into the game. On his first season, that was enough to get lots of air time. On Second Chances? They’ve got better footage to use.

          • Prom King

            All excellent points.

      • Saturday Evening Palsy

        The winner will be the next one who cries between Jeremy and Spencer. That crier will win.

      • Prom King

        I don’t think Wentworth so much. The only human moment I’ve seen is when she excitedly started hugging everyone at the idea of family coming. The rest is all Kelley the Perky Gamebot. I have no idea who she is other than that.

        When I think of the players who’ve had multiple sides of them being shown consistently, I can only think of Jeremy, Spencer, and Varner. Even from the first episode all three of them have been portrayed with the depth given to the majority of winners.

        And in a way, Savage and Abi, although with a much more critical tone with those two that is just about the opposite of a winner’s edit.

        • Other Scott

          They don’t necessarily always humanize their winners though. They have in recent seasons for sure.

          • Prom King

            True, not always. But I think the majority of the time. Off the top of my head, I’d say that the less rich winner edits (which I don’t necessarily mind as long as their interesting moments kept in consistently) have only been given to Vecepia, Natalie White, Danni, and Fabio. Maybe Sophie although I do feel like I got a strong sense of who she is as a person, beyond strategy. Even hardcore gamers like Todd and Kim were given enough to allow the viewer to get a picture of what they could be like outside of the game. I haven’t received that from Kelley’s edit.

          • andythesaint

            Don’t know if we had gotten it yet from Natalie Anderson at this point of the season. There’s time.

          • Prom King

            There was a good amount from her in the first half of the season – her bond with her sister, her loneliness without her in the game, her distaste for lazy people around camp, even the issues around John Rocker. Very little of that was purely for strategy and it was much more than what we have received from Kelley so far.

          • Other Scott

            Kim is actually who I was thinking of.

            On a related note, I kind of love Natalie White’s edit, small as it is. I think in her somewhat limited screen time she came across as very human, very adorable, and like she knew what she was doing most of the time. I think Russell calling her the “even dumber blonde girl” compared to what we actually saw of her should have put the idea that Russell has no idea what he’s talking about in the audiences head from the beginning.

          • Prom King

            Oh I love Natalie White (and her weirdly teeny edit) too. She’s great.

            I had to give both Kim and Todd some thought. But I did get a sense of how smooth an operator Kim could be in life by seeing how strategically empathetic she was with her allies. Although she was clearly strategy, strategy, strategy when supporting her allies, just the fact that we got multiple scenes with her being supportive to Kat and others about their feeeeelings made me feel like I saw a bigger picture of who she is than Kelley & company. But I still wouldn’t put up too many objections to her or Todd being added to my less-human-edit group.

          • Other Scott

            Checked back to see where you had Samoa ranked, fairly reasonable. And I agree with the write-up that people tend to focus solely on Russell Hantz when looking at that season and not a bunch of the other fun stuff going on.

            And you’re a Leftovers fan!

          • Prom King

            I think that season suffers in retrospect because of people’s understandable distaste for Russell. But there is so much that is entertaining in that season!

            The Leftovers is fantastic. Along with Fargo and Survivor: my three favorite shows currently airing. I’d love to throw The Flash and The Walking Dead in there too but they can be hit or miss.

          • Brenda4evah

            I recently watched Samoa for the first time. Natalie White absolutely gets a winner’s edit if you’re looking for it going in, it’s just that the winning strategy in a Russell Hantz season is different than most any other season (i.e., stay out of Russell’s crosshairs, make friends with future jury members).

          • Prom King

            I don’t know if I’d call it a “winner’s edit” in the traditional sense. Her moments, as enjoyable as they may be, are all small ones – except for her brilliant move in switching the Foa Foa women to eliminate Erik. I’d say that season has two major narratives – Shambo’s bizarre journey and of course Russell’s unusual why-he-didn’t-win narrative – and so all other narratives are de-emphasized and no one besides those two really gets much of a nuanced edit that emphasizes multiple sides to the player.

            That said, I’d agree that the editors certainly make sure to give the viewer little tidbits for Natalie (much as they did for Danni and Sophie) so that the careful viewer can see her as a potential winner. I saw those bits the first time too because I was actively rooting for her and against Russell, and I was grasping at anything that could be construed as a clue that Russell wouldn’t win. And those moments were even more apparent during my second watch.

            Still, far from a rich edit, unlike many other winners.

        • sweaterfan

          I agree about Wenworth. We don’t really know much about her personal life or feelings at all this season. My prediction is she’ll be the target next episode. If she plays another idol, then she’ll get 3 more days and be gone after that.

          In recent seasons (Worlds Apart excluded) I feel like the editors have done a pretty good job of setting up a few people as relatively plausible winners at different points. This can camouflage the real winner’s edit a bit, but it also makes for more satisfying mini-arcs with the rise and downfall of various players’ games. This season they just lucked out and had tons of dynamic characters in the cast, so they were able to start as early as the first episode with Varner’s arc. My guess is that Kelley is the final big mover to be taken out before Spencer and Jeremy battle for ultimate control of the remaining goats.

    • Diego Armando

      That could be true. Him winning is a strong possibility. They might just want to give him a glowing edit because he is popular though.

    • tocantins

      Spencer might win, but I think the “I’m a real boy now” arc was just too good not to put in either way.

      • Barbara Anderson

        Yeah, but it feels so artificial.

        • Purplerockmatt

          Yes artificial… just like a ROBOT

          • Barbara Anderson

            You mean gamebot, right? Get it because he said it on the show last night. Get it?

  • sweaterfan

    I seriously think this was the best family visit ever. So much pay off from previous story lines! I was like “It’s a boy! Spencer loves his gf! DALE!!!” [legs collapse]

    • gouis

      No Wes or J’Tia. 7/10.

      • Purplerockmatt

        I really wanted to see Wes.

        • andythesaint

          Wanted Wes to eat everyone’s food at the BBQ.

    • Roswulf

      I was surprised that Kelley asked Dale back after he caused her so much trouble last time.

      And then disappointed that Dale didn’t somehow stumble into destroying Kelley’s game at the visit.

      • sharculese

        Honestly I would not be shocked to find out that Kelley is just not that close to many people. She strikes me as a bit of an introvert.

        • Roswulf

          Sure, but presumably she has a mom that played no part in knocking her out of Survivor previously.

          • andythesaint

            She does! Both her mom and her dad fav and RT any Kelley related content we produce. It’s adorable.

            I’m guessing Survivor was all “yeah, it’s cute that you want your mom or fiancee there, but it’s gonna be Dale”.

          • Roswulf

            THEN WHY WERE WE DENIED WES?

            I am still mourning the fact that we were robbed of a scene of Wes desperately trying to remind his dad of basic Survivor strategy heading into to the home stretch.

  • Ethan Kyle

    And at the family challenge, Spencer finally became a real Young Lad

  • sharculese

    I forgot until now, but here is a thing I was wondering during the reward challenge – as much fun as it is to joke about the assistant coach, did Coach get it right in Tocantins? Is the optimal plan to shoot for someone where if you get to spend time with them it’s an emotional boost, but if you don’t you won’t be devastated?

    • Barbara Anderson

      Maybe. If I ever get out there, I am going to request one of my best friends, who would A.)Be kinda excited to be on Survivor and B.) Give me some tips on how to proceed. That way, I’m not extremely devastated by not getting to spend time with him.

      • Purplerockmatt

        I’d have my dad because Survivor films over the summer and I would have to know how the phillies are doing. I honestly wouldn’t try I would just ask him to catch me up with 30 or so baseball games.

        • sharculese

          How long does it take to say “not very well”? (I tease, for I am from Atlanta.)

          • Sylvisual

            Welcome to Atlanta, where the players play….poorly.

          • sharculese

            The state of Georgia ranks highly in players who have won Survivor while repping our sports teams, so we have that going for us.

          • Sylvisual

            Despite his post-collegiate treachery, a Spencer win this season would be another ATL-bred win, too!

          • sharculese

            I seriously forgot that Spencer is from Atlanta because he sounds more like my dad, who grew up outside Chicago, than he does like anyone I talk to on a daily basis.

            Edit: I just googled him and found out he ran track for Paideia. How the fuck did someone who went to Paideia grow up to be that conservative?

            Second edit: I just realized this post makes its sound like I’m on bad terms with my dad. I’m not. I made him dinner tonight.

          • andythesaint

            He’s your best friend.

          • gouis

            Spencer is soiling the great city of Atlanta with his opinions! Maybe he’s actually from Cobb County?

          • sharculese

            I was talking to my mom and she pointed out that a conservative student at Paideia generally suggests that he grew up in the Emory area and it was just easier to get him to there than Pace or Lovett.

          • Purplerockmatt

            but i have to know specifics! like ok they’ve lost a lot, but who is to blame (everyone), any bright spots (no), well is the new GM a dummy like the last one? Also Atlanta way to live in that glass house!

        • andythesaint

          Right now, wouldn’t that be too demoralizing?

          • Purplerockmatt

            nah being a philly fan you delight in wallowing in misery

        • gouis

          You’re also a Phillies fan? We’re basically anti-matter.

          • Purplerockmatt

            wait what are you? I have to focus my hate appropriately

          • gouis

            I lived in Atlanta for 7 years and was a pretty big Braves fan, so I’m with sharculese. Although I don’t live there now and don’t approve of the Cobb County move and the way they’ve handled the team so I’m pretty non affiliated now.

          • sharculese

            Look, not making sure people will be able to get to your stadium is perfectly acceptable when you build it somewhere nobody would want to go to anyway.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            *narrows eyes* But do you do the chop?

          • gouis

            No.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Okay we can still be friends I guess.

    • Saturday Evening Palsy

      I think that Coach honestly felt that his assistant coach was the right person to bring along. He identifies as “Coach.” He told Tyson that he thought of him as an “Assistant Coach.” (I think that that means “son” to him.) I really think that Coach buys in to his own shit. I never doubt that Coach believes what he is saying. That is why I love him so much.

      The one odd thing though is why “Assistant Coach” had no problem stretching Coach out on the beach on TV. It seems that most people wouldn’t do that. I hope that that guy is just as wholeheartedly accepting of his title as Coach is.

    • Other Scott

      I’m pretty sure that I would just really want to see someone in my family, whether I got to spend extra time with them or not.

    • sweaterfan

      I think you’re right on with this. Winning the family reward seems like it’s generally a bad idea, and even getting chosen by the winner to share in the reward can sometimes cause you problems – to top it all off, as we saw in Caramoan, winning and then giving up your reward so everyone else can see their loved one can also screw you over.
      All this is not to say that I don’t enjoy the family visit episode. I actually love it, in part because it’s such a hidden land mine of strategic danger.
      I do wonder, though, if bringing someone you’re lukewarm on could also hurt your game in certain seasons? I’m thinking of all the flak Shirin got in her first season because she “had no family” and “nobody loved her.” Granted that was coming from absolutely horrible human beings, but in the wrong group I wonder if bringing, like, the guy from the next cubicle at work who is kind of a buddy as your loved one might make them think you’re a bad person and thus don’t deserve the money?

      • andythesaint

        Having his wife come and humanize him helped Chris Daughtery win Survivor.

        • sharculese

          I love that he lied to her about getting voted off that episode. Oh… Chris.

          Also, same thing might have helped Shirin. I’m betting her loved one was her boyfriend, and seeing a person be affectionate to her might have softened some of the lesser d-bags among. Them. Actually probably would have worked wonders on Dan, so some of the greater d-bags, too.

  • Barbara Anderson

    I just realized a new little editing foreshadow. So one of Keith’s early confessionals was him being dismissive of Joe’s yoga, right? We have also gotten some secret scenes of Keith kinda making fun of Joe. I think this was all supposed to lead us to the narrative that Keith’s immunity win would be part of the downfall of Joe. It also helps that Keith finally beat Joe after two other close battles.

    • tocantins

      Yes, it seems that Keith’s whole arc this season was “killing the golden boy.” (Which I’m fine with.) As well as most of Stephen’s arc was being taken down by his Moby-dick.

      • Barbara Anderson

        Now, I feel like we have lost a great strategy session between Keith and Stephen last week about taking out Joe. Scratch that-we missed great scenes between Keith and Stephen. Scratch that again- we missed Keith this season.

      • Other Scott

        It’s a weird arc for Keith considering everything else indicated he was Joe’s main ally. He voted with him every time, he was in that Ta Keo 5 alliance, and he refused to vote for him on his way out.

  • turgid_legume

    That really cleared the decks for the final push. Finally we can stop expending all this mental effort on debating the eternal Joe question.

    Would anyone argue otherwise if I said that there was a 95% chance that our winner will be one of Spencer, Jeremy, or Wentworth? I’ve left that last 5% for Tasha, but I think it would be an uphill climb for her.

    • andythesaint

      That math probably checks out. Although 5% might be a touch high for Tasha.

      • turgid_legume

        I’m glad to have confirmation that I’m not insane (and I originally wrote 99% but hedged.) I was watching the RHAP aftershow and they seemed to be very high on Tasha’s chances, due to being a crucial swing vote at 7. But I just don’t see it. Wentworth has more friends on the jury and a better resume, so even if the girls’ alliance idea were to play out perfectly she’d still have to find some way to get Wentworth out so that she could take Abi and Kimmi, which pretty much requires that she beats Wentworth at the last immunity. An alternate path would be to turn on Wentworth earlier (e.g. taking her out at 5 and sparing Keith) but she’s got an idol that nobody suspects. And sticking with Jeremy and Spencer doesn’t make sense either as they both could make a case for being more in charge of the game than Tasha. So yeah, it’s not looking very good.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I listened to half on my journey to work this morning and I agree with them that Tasha is in a good position but I believe she will waste it and it’s the edit that makes me believe that. We’d have seen more of her if Tasha was destined to win.

          • tocantins

            Yes, I don’t think Tasha’s position is not winnable, although there aren’t many people left she can beat, and to get these people to FTC would be a bit difficult. I think what buries her is the edit. It is definitely either Spencer, Jeremy, or Wentworth winning this season. But I think that is OK; compare that to last season, where by this point everyone already knew who the winner was.

          • andythesaint

            Basically this. In a live game scenario, Tasha would be a contender. But as mentioned upthread, her story basically ended once she left Angkor. She’s merely been a player in other people’s stories since then. Even the Tasha v Kass episode wasn’t that Tasha heavy.

          • Kemper Boyd

            If this were Big Brother I’d be telling you she is in a great spot, but it isn’t and I suspect the edit is leading up to a disappointing end for ol’ Tasha.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Tasha is in a good position in the sense she gets to make the decision, but the edit is not supporting her making the right one, and both decisions have people she would side with who would beat her.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Obviously she could make the decision we see as better and still not win but part of me feels she’s going to somehow pull a Sarah Lacina and end up going out next week.

          • Purplerockmatt

            god I want that bad because wow would that make the finale amazing

          • Kemper Boyd

            The finale will be bonkers if Jeremy, Spencer and Wentworth are all still there.

        • Kent McK

          Based on edit I don’t think Tasha is winning, but in real time on the island I think that she had a legitimate shot to win after Joe was voted out.

    • Other Scott

      I feel like the odds might have been higher last week. I don’t think it’s going to be someone other than those three, but the show may be pulling either some hinky stuff and hiding the winner until now, or the winner just haven’t been front and centre enough to give the material they want.

      Most likely Jeremy, Spencer or Kelley though.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Which if you think about it, it’s pretty nutty to have three people who have such a strong winner’s edit this late in the game. at the least we will have 2 left going into the finale and we could have all three

      • andythesaint

        Not only three strong potential winners, but the split between them in terms of odds is pretty even. Wentworth is clearly in third, but still with a good chance.

  • tocantins

    Well, now it will be REALLY difficult to beat Jeremy in FTC with his “I could have spent time with my pregnant wife (pregnant, for freaking sake), but I didn’t because I didn’t want to say she was pregnant so it wouldn’t damage my game” argument.

    • Other Scott

      I don’t actually know if that argument is going to win anyone’s vote though.

      • tocantins

        Really? I imagine it would be a big sell: it shows how strategic he is (he can even use it to answer the omnipresent “What was your biggest move?” question) and, maybe even more importantly, it shows how much he is willing to let go for this win.

      • Roswulf

        I could easily see it helping with some combination of Savage, Wigglesworth, Keith, Tasha, and Joe. Maybe even get a few points with Kass- she did tear up about kid stuff. It’s a demonstration determination and will that also shows strategic acumen without coming across as back-stabby. That fits into the Survivor visions of a lot of the jury.

        It’s not going to impress Fishbach, but it’s not like Jeremy NEEDS to play to Fish any more.

        • sharculese

          I would put Savage in the same category as Fish. He may not like Stephen, but he’s still gonna respect Jeremy putting his neck on the line to save him. If Jeremy makes the end Savage is in his column.

          Wigles I’m unsure about, but at this point, if Tasha is on the jury she’s gonna be a bitter juror, and how she went out is gonna be a huge factor.

          Agree on Keith and maybe Joe as well. That could play well with them.

          • Roswulf

            I think Savage is PROBABLY in Jeremy’s column, but could be stolen by Spencer (or maybe Tasha? They were a game-defining pair briefly, and she never burned him). Not only did Savage like Spencer, but Spencer was his target. If Spencer wins, that means SAVAGE WAS RIGHT!

            Somehow Savage’s vote is going to be a statement about how awesome Savage is. And since that statement could take many forms, he’s still worth sucking up to.

          • sharculese

            I buy the possibility of Savage Shii-Anning it.

        • Other Scott

          I just don’t think jurors like it too much if you do such a clear tug for their heartstrings.

  • Other Scott

    This was much better. That family visit was good, the gameplay made sense, there was a collapse, and it looks like we have a path forward for the season, finally. Will Tasha try and stick to a woman’s alliance (I kinda doubt it)?

    I didn’t like Keith much in SJDS, didn’t really saw what everyone else saw in him, but this season has been pretty great. I think his time may be up next episode though.He’s the person neither in the woman’s alliance or the Tasha-Jeremy-Spencer final 3 (that none of them actually want)

    • tocantins

      If this were a scripted show, then now that he finally fulfilled his arc, he would certainly be going home. Since there is some level of discretion with the edit, I would still say he is the big name to go home now.

  • gouis

    We should get a prediction thread going about “What internet opinions will Andy yell about this week?”

    My ideas:

    – Joyless nerds who hate the family visit
    – People not understanding why Keith voted for Tasha

    • Purplerockmatt

      nailed it in one (the first one, he will yell about the first one)

      • gouis

        Outside shot at people who say “Joe has a great social game” .

        • andythesaint

          All are in contention.

          • Roswulf

            I’ll defend Joe’s social game. Other than collapsing, I think Joe played everything right in this episode. I enjoyed Wentworth’s overdramatic reactions at council to the ABSURDITY of what Joe was saying, as he accurately described her intended (and entirely plausible) path to victory.

            Joe’s problem was that taking out Joe was 100% the right move for most of the players in the game, and especially for Tasha who held the balance of power.

            We all knew Joe’s only shot was a mega-immunity run. He lost two consecutive immunity challenges. I’m honestly not sure that if you give Joe the combined social games of Sandra, Boston Rob, and Kim Spradlin the resulting hive-mind could survive being eligible for booting at eight and nine. He was too obvious a threat.

          • andythesaint

            My reaction to the reaction of Joe’s social game might not be what people think.

          • Roswulf

            My face is that of Tasha after Jeff described how they were not not going to have a family visit.

      • andythesaint

        Frankly, the only thing that keeps this from happening is that A) I’ve done it before and B) there wasn’t that much complaining about it this time (probably because of the Dale/Val appearances and the SpencerBot payoff).

        But… it could easily go there. I’ll see where my muse take me.

    • purplerockpodcast

      He’s already started down that path. Also, this should be a recurring thing: predicting Andy’s “get off my lawn” argument of the week.

  • Kent McK

    I think that Spencer and Jeremy really screwed up by agreeing to vote out Joe. Joe gave the game his all and had nothing left in the tank; the Survivor left was Joe in name only – still capable of being a shield, but not the unbeatable force that he was earlier in the game. Jeremy and Spencer are now the easy targets, and I think they made winning the game a lot harder on themselves.

    Jeremy, Kelly, Spencer, and Tasha are the four remaining players that can win. I think that those four recognize that, and all four are going to want to get to the end with two of Abi, Kimmi, and Keith. Tasha is the power player next week straddling both groups and I cannot see her shying away from the women’s alliance when she knows that two of the four women have no shot to win.

    Essentially, Jeremy and Spencer have put themselves in a position where they cannot win solely through their social games. I think if either of them is to make the finals it will be because of an immunity run. Obviously idols are going to play a large role in deciding who makes the finals, and I think that Jeremy will probably play his idol next week if he is not immune, but he has needlessly put himself into that position.

    • Roswulf

      I think Jeremy/Spencer’s problem was a numbers game. They needed four votes just to get a tie. They only had three locked down, even if you assume that Jeremy trusts Spencer (which he probably shouldn’t). They needed to convince one of Keith/Tasha/Kimmy to play purple-rock-chicken with them in order to flip a second floater. I don’t think any of those three were taking that risk (nor should they have taken it).

      And all of this would only serve to keep Joe, somebody neither Spencer nor Jeremy actually wants in the game.

      • tocantins

        Exactly, even if they wanted to try their luck in the purple rock (which I concede they probably should), it would be very hard to convince someone else to do it. And that person being Keith, that is downright impossible. Tasha probably came and said, “The only reason you might want to vote Abi out is if you don’t trust me, and if you don’t trust me, then we are not really an alliance and I shouldn’t vote with you.”

        • Kent McK

          My no evidence, gut feeling is that Jeremy and Spencer could have spear headed a 3-3-2 vote against Kelly and Abi. Ultimately they felt Joe was a bigger threat, which I think was a miscalculation.

          • Roswulf

            But Tasha has very vocally asserted that SHE thinks Joe is a bigger threat to her (and he probably was), Kimmy appears to agree, and their cooperation are necessary to pull off that plan. Jeremy and Spencer. Half the tribe either is committed to an all-girls alliance, or wants to keep the avenue open. There are not six people willing to vote for Kelley/Abi.

            Jeremy and Spencer had no realistic way to control the vote. Other than burning Jeremy’s idol for Joe.

          • Kemper Boyd

            And burning Jeremy’s idol for a challenge beast is dumb. Keep it and use it for yourself Jeremy.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I strongly doubt Tasha went to them and said such a thing as she has never shown any ability or wish to play that way. She told them about the women’s alliance because she feared them finding out themselves. A player who says “The only reason you might want to vote Abi out is if you don’t trust me, and if you don’t trust me, then we are not really an alliance and I shouldn’t vote with you” is a player who could instead hold on to two alliances and talk their way into having both sides believe they aren’t the side being played. That player is not Tasha Fox.

      • sweaterfan

        This is probably pretty far into ‘fan fiction’ territory, but do you think it’s possible that Kimmi cooked up the idea of a women’s alliance to be absolutely certain that the Kelley/Abi contingent wouldn’t try working with Joe again and foil a second opportunity to get him out while he wasn’t immune?

        • Roswulf

          I think that’s part of her logic- I’m not sure Kimmy makes this play if Joe is immune and Kelley is vulnerable (and to the extent the episode says she did, I don’t trust the edited timeline).

          But I also think she’s been frustrated with Jeremy for a while. I think an underrated cost of the Stephen move was that it pushed Kimmi away from Jeremy, whereas she had been rock solid beforehand. She started looking for other options once he made it clear she was not at the core of his plans.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I think Kimmi was rock solid with Stephen and her alliance with Jeremy was an extension of that. We have never seen any sign that Jeremy and Kimmi were tight.

    • sharculese

      According to his exit interview with Josh Wigler, Joe has suddenly fainted before, so it may not have been the game itself so much as that this is is a thing he was prone to. That said, this was also the most physically taxing of the endurance challenges they’ve run so for – for all we know next week is something simpler, maybe an obstacle course that ends in a table maze. I would bet Joe is good at table mazes, it’s the kind of visual puzzle he’s shown a knack for. I’m not sure you could have counted him out.

      That said, I’m not sure it was necessary to vote Joe out right here. It really is unclear how many votes he had going for him at the end, but losing 4 challenges in a row, if we count the rewards, and having people basically be like ‘meh’ really would have punched a hole in his narrative.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I actually have this problem. I have low blood pressure so if I haven’t eaten and I am forced to stand around in a hot room I am likely to get woozy. Throw in pain and I will pass out (it’s happened twice at the doctors).

  • giorgos

    If the next episode at December 10 goes from 7 to 6 players and the one after that in Dec. 17 is the finale-reunion it means we’re gonna have a final 6 finale? Doesn’t seem right.

    • purplerockpodcast

      I think that’s correct. We’ll start with 6 in the finale. And the first tribal council will probably happen pretty early in that episode.