Survivor Cambodia Episode 13 Liveblog – “Villains Have More Fun”

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Wrap Thoughts and Three Up and Three Down:
Abi Destroyer of Worlds is no more!  Rejoice!  And this really sets up an amazing finale.  We have the three frontrunners in Jeremy, Spencer and Kelley.  Then there is Keith, Keithing it up, Tasha thinking she is in control (she isn’t), and Kimmi.  I wish I had more to say about Kimmi since she has played a pretty decent game, but I don’t know what to say about her.
Three Up:
Spencer (firmly in the middle!), Jeremy (still has his idol!  in the majority!), We the viewer (Abi’s gone guys!).
Three Down:
Tasha (she almost drowned out there), Keith (people have noticed how threatening he is in challenges), Kelley (Having to play from the bottom again).
Savage Corner: Nothing new this week except his (and the rest of the jury’s) downcast face(s) at the prospect of Abi coming to join them.
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  • Kemper Boyd

    Oh Man this is like the Reynolds Memorial Throwing shit challenge. I predict a good result for ol’ Keith.

    • Sylvisual

      The Reynold Toepher Academy for Throwing Objects, coming soon to a beach resort town near you.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Umm, it’s spelt Reynolds…

        • Sylvisual

          You’ve been foiled.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I can’t remember why it has an S but it’s definitely Reynolds.

          • andythesaint

            It isn’t, but that’s what Phillip kept calling him.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Well that is why it’s spelled with an S then, like Francesqua

  • Scarlett3639

    I love that Spencer is literally in the middle at tribal.

  • sharculese

    The way these people are talking about Kelley makes me think Andy’s speculation about how they saw her on last week’s podcast was right on.

    • Kemper Boyd

      massive shame…

    • gouis

      100% correct. I was coming here to post this. I’m afraid she can’t turn public opinion from ‘goat’ to ‘deserving winner’ in a few days.

      • Kemper Boyd

        depends on how good she is at FTC and who she’s sitting next to, with Abi gone it’s much harder because Abi and Keith may well have been her best shot, she’d have looked insanely articulate and now I think there are too many Bayons for her to beat Kimmi.

        • Ms_Woozah

          yeah she’s a good talker; hopefully she can accurately and concisely convey how much she actually did.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I watched her secret scene confessionals and she does say like A LOT That might be slightly annoying.

      • Purplerockmatt

        except she does still have an idol. If used correctly that might be enough against some of the non-Spencer/Jeremy people

        • gouis

          But the rest of her game is so invisible that she’ll just be the ‘girl who found a few idols’. Not sure that’s enough with this crowd.

          • sharculese

            It appears to not be enough for these people, if they’re lumping her in with Keith and Abi. Apparently even Kimmi is more respected.

          • Adam B.

            Is Kimmi playing this season?

          • Diego Armando

            I think she is the person who everyone liked, but didn’t win and was boring, so producers gave them little screentime.

          • purplerockpodcast

            If she is, she’s clearly doing so in a way that the producers deemed worthy of showing. But we have at least seen her push to vote out Monica and then (hilariously) propose a women’s alliance.

    • Barbara Anderson

      Yeah, that goat thing comes so out of nowhere too. She has made a visible move in the game that actually helped Spencer’s game out considerably. She may have more on her resume than you do, bud.

    • Kemper Boyd

      One note when Tasha is talking about the “disgraceful players” Kelley wasn’t shown on screen when Keith and Abi were and was the second of only 4 of the 6 shown in the preview. So I’m going with finalist gets 4 votes beaten by Spencer who gets 6.

      • Barbara Anderson

        And in that Spencer (I think) confessional, he only lists Abi as a true goat, which is interesting.

      • Other Scott

        One thing the game doesn’t like to do is give away who’s actually a goat. It wants the viewer to think the tribal councils probably going to be close. So if you hear people saying, “This person’s a goat” they either probably don’t get there or aren’t as much of a goat as everyone thinks.

    • purplerockpodcast

      Agreed. Which is disappointing.

      • Saturday Evening Palsy

        At least they can’t see the gifs you guys keep posting of Wentworth that make her look like a crazy person who eats people.

        • purplerockpodcast

          I loved that one. It reminded me of a face my daughter makes.

          • Saturday Evening Palsy

            One? Just one?

      • andythesaint

        I’m guessing the disappointing part was me being right.

        • purplerockpodcast

          Was that not obvious?

    • Diego Armando

      I am reminded of watching videos on Tocantins of everyone saying how much they liked how Stephen played the game. We all know how that ended.

    • Ms_Woozah

      It’s a little baffling; even after her huge idol play and the fact that she’s managed to stay afloat while being on the bottom this whole time.

    • andythesaint

      Now here’s the counter for people who are worried for what this means for Kelley: Tasha might not know what the fuck she’s talking about. And, when a player who has been UTR steps out at the right time, people might reassess their game in fairly short order (especially if there’s some bad blood with the other contenders). Finally, she’ll have a few strong advocates on the jury.

      But that said, my read was so completely right.

      • Barbara Anderson

        Good points, sir. If someone was looking at the jury composition, Wentworth is almost certainly guaranteed three votes with the Witches Coven, and Jeremy has got Stephen on lock. The interesting jury area is the Savage/Wiglesworth/Joe contingent, because I think they might vote for people who are loyal or are good at challenges-which means they might lean towards Spencer at the current moment. But I could also see them going with Jeremy for being loyal.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Savage will vote for Jeremy if he’s up there, Wigles will probably go for Jeremy (she played with him longest) too.

          • Barbara Anderson

            But I could also see Savage voting for Spencer because of his challenge wins.

      • Kemper Boyd

        It’s important to remember whatever Tasha thinks Kelley will not get 0 votes to win, she has Ciera and that means probably Kass and Abi should be for her but trying to predict Abi’s vote is impossible to predict (although she did vote for Denise in Philippines despite clashing heavily with her a few times). If it were Jeremy/Tasha/Kelley it seems that Wentworth would get more votes than Tasha.

      • sharculese

        Upvoting someone for saying you’re right and then replying by playing devil’s advocate? I think we’re approaching peak Andy.

        • andythesaint

          I’m sure it surprises exactly no one to learn that I frequently have arguments with myself in my head.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Can someone tell me who voted for whom? my stream has cut out…

    • sharculese

      Abi – Jeremy, Tasha, Kimmi, Spencer
      Tasha – Kelley, Keith
      Keith – Abi

      • Kemper Boyd

        So Abi thought her “we” was Her, Kimmi, Jeremy and Tasha?

        • sharculese

          I guess?

          • Kemper Boyd

            It has to be or else she’s stupidly voting against one of her 4.

          • Purplerockmatt

            It is Abi…

          • sharculese

            I’m hitting refresh waiting for this Ponderosa video.

          • Saturday Evening Palsy

            Anybody: “Hey Abi, welcome to Ponderosa! Help yourself to some food!”
            Abi: “Help myself to some food? What is that supposed to mean?”

          • Kemper Boyd

            Abi isn’t dumb, she’s unpredictable and ruled by her hair trigger emotions.

          • sharculese

            After a certain point, dumb and crazy get hard to distinguish between.

          • Kemper Boyd

            that is a fair point! It still has to point towards the first thing though, her “we” being the non-reward people.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Yeah and that may have been the case there. Keith says his we, Abi thinks that doesn’t include her all of a sudden, votes for Keith

          • Kemper Boyd

            I more meant the hair trigger was not going with Spencer, Wentworth and Keith because she wasn’t taken on reward. Not changing her vote at TC.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Also possible. I really cannot explain her

          • Scarlett3639

            She’s an onion of unpredictability. Just when you think you have her figured out Bam! Another layer.

          • Purplerockmatt

            That is amazing. I am going to totally steal that

          • Scarlett3639

            Use it in good health.

  • gouis

    That Spencer winner’s edit was so strong I started dry heaving.

    • Kemper Boyd

      he’s played a great game, I’m not a huge fan of him as a character but he’s played well to go from possible second boot always down in the numbers to having this glowing edit.

      • purplerockpodcast

        I’m sure the edit is partly because he’s so popular (and because he gives very perceptive confessionals, like his takedown/analysis of Abi-Maria in tonight’s episode). But he has been impressive in keeping himself around even when it never seemed like he was in a super secure position.

        • Barbara Anderson

          Also, the fact that he won reward meant that he got a few more confessionals than his normal 10 an episode or so.

        • Scarlett3639

          I think Spencer’s game this season has really been informed by Tony. Not that Spencer is duplicating Tony’s game, but he is willing to make a lot of risky moves. Like getting rid of Fishbach and Abi. To me Spencer’s game has changed more than anyone else’s this season. I think Tony winning taught him that there is no one way to win Survivor. Everyone else seems to be following a script they have in their head about the “correct” way to win. Spencer seems to be going tribal by tribal, making whatever move will get him further.

          • andythesaint

            Another thing he’s taking from Tony: not wanting to enable a vote out of Jeremy, because he knows it’s too soon to be the biggest target left.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I gotta disagree a little on this one, because I think Jeremy is more of Spencer’s LJ to his Tony, than his Spencer to his Tony. He should’ve kept a different threat around because I think keeping Jeremy is going to bite him

          • andythesaint

            The strategy might not pay off, but I do think Spencer is trying to avoid being the biggest target.

            Either that, or he just really trusts Jeremy. Those coffee chats are prolly really deep.

          • Purplerockmatt

            the problem is that spencer is keeping around a threat that his alliance is allied with whereas tony kept around threats his alliance was gunning to get out

          • andythesaint

            I’m not sure if you’ve heard, but there are no alliances this season.

          • sharculese

            Those mugs might be the best prop choice production has hit on since they gave everyone wine bottles in Philippines.

    • Ms_Woozah

      I still think Jeremy’s is a little stronger. That said, if somehow they do both end up in FTC, I think it’s going to be a very close vote.

    • andythesaint

      I think a reason it’s so strong is that Spencer knows how to craft it himself. This more than anything else, is where his super fandom helps him. He knows the narrative arcs the producers want and is absolutely shameless in delivering them.

      • sharculese

        This is probably where part of my unabashed Spencer love comes from. Players who can do that well – the Robs, Cirie, Penner, make Survivor more fun to watch.

        • Violina23

          I wouldn’t say I love Spencer, but I find myself rooting for him subconciously… I think part of it is, like Cochran, the nerdy quality, but I think you’re right, he’s giving us a fun show to watch.

  • Sad Lil

    Heard everyone was talking about me on Twitter. I’ll just say I’ll see you next week! <3 <3 😉

    • purplerockpodcast

      I love you.

  • Saturday Evening Palsy

    So, next week for the first time in Survivor history…

    • Saturday Evening Palsy

      …Four people in final tribal council?

      • purplerockpodcast

        Keith Nale votes for the person that gets voted out.

        • Saturday Evening Palsy

          Guess Tasha will be safe. Unless he writes “I can’t remember her name.”

          • Kemper Boyd

            Or something accidentally racist…

          • Saturday Evening Palsy

            That’s why he hasn’t been getting the winner’s edit.

          • purplerockpodcast

            “That one —->”

      • Adam B.

        A tie at Final Tribal Council?

    • sweaterfan

      Kelley and Jeremy cancel all the votes with their dual idol play??

      • Saturday Evening Palsy

        I could see that happening. Probst says it at tribal council. It could be after the votes are read.

        • sweaterfan

          If memory serves, he was holding the urn too. To my mind, that makes total vote negation most likely, followed by a FTC tie (assuming they would check the votes immediately and resolve it there instead of in the studio). I don’t think he would announce any sort of twist in that setting with that timing.

          • sweaterfan

            Oh I guess one other (not very interesting) option is that they start the finale episode with a double tribal council. That’s probably never happened before, but it’s not super thrilling.

      • andythesaint

        My prediction was one week off.

        • Kemper Boyd

          It should happen at 7 or 5 so might as well predict it early.

        • Violina23

          As soon as I saw that, I immediately explained your theory to my husband. I REALLY hope it happens!

    • Diego Armando

      Tie in the finale?

    • sharculese

      There is no jury. The winner is decided by a single vote and that vote belongs too… Boston Rob.

    • Saturday Evening Palsy

      …A double elimination going into the final?

  • Barbara Anderson

    Besides Jeremy’s confessional about Abi being a scorpio, did he have any other ones?

    • Purplerockmatt

      He had a few. That was probably his longest though

    • sharculese

      he got to say the ‘buyer’s remorse’ thing again in confessional just in case we didn’t hear it the first time

      • Barbara Anderson

        Oh yeah, I remember that. I also remember Spencer saying it as well.

        • sharculese

          I only heard it twice, so wait… did Spencer say it first and they let Jeremy repeat it in confessional?

          • Barbara Anderson

            I am almost done rewatching it. Jeremy says it first, I believe.

          • Purplerockmatt

            wouldn’t it be crazy if the show included them both saying it because they both lose at final?

      • Other Scott

        Well, he doesn’t know how it’s going to be edited. So for all he knows, we didn’t hear it the first time. Or the second time.

        • sharculese

          Yeah, to be clear, I’m not faulting Jeremy for saying it twice. I’m faulting production for thinking we had to hear it twice.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Just to point out how bullshit starsigns are, Abi is a Libra, which supposedly means she’s loyal.

      • Purplerockmatt

        bahahahaha

      • andythesaint

        If you ask Abi, she’s incredibly loyal.

        But if you fuck with her, yada yada.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Part of me likes to imagine that this is how the show chooses to give Keith a winner’s edit: nothing, nothing, nothing, To-To, nothing, nothing, and then wall-to-wall Keith for the last two episodes.

    • Saturday Evening Palsy

      It’s how Wesley would have wanted it *spits*

    • andythesaint

      If they were going to do it, it’d be something like that. But, they’d have cut the part where multiple people call him a goat heading into the finale.

      • Barbara Anderson

        And “weak player”

  • Kemper Boyd

    I’m going to voice something and I hope this is a place of no judgement. I’m going to miss Abi-Maria. She is batshit crazy and I found this time round insanely entertaining compared to the last time. She has been everything I voted for and more. I am satisfied. Also she gives good social media.

    • Barbara Anderson

      Yes. I also love hearing her POV on the world and the game because she’s right. She had a good resume. In fact, had she not fought with Shirin, Spencer probably would have been the second boot.

      • sharculese

        I love Shirin but at that point in the game there is just no argument for keeping her over Spencer. I’m not saying it’s 100% they don’t do it, but it would have made no sense.

        • Barbara Anderson

          Another good point, but as the show showed us, it was Abi’s decision to get out Shirin.

        • Kemper Boyd

          The ONLY reason to keep Shirin over Spencer is that you are physic and knew the swap was coming straight after. Or an intentional Matsing…

          • andythesaint

            Or you’re a tribe of over-playing spazzes. Which is why it almost happened.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Yes, should have added so 3 reasons. 1) you are playing the post merge pre-merge 2) you KNOW the swap is coming and you WILL be on the other side to him and 3) you are intentionally Matsing-ing.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Abi gave me what I wanted and once they pulled back from the wall-to-wall Abi of the first few episodes her pointed villainy became pretty fun

      • Kemper Boyd

        I get why it had to be the early stages because she really was the story but yeah a little bit of her crazy has taken me a long way.

        • Purplerockmatt

          yeah a little Abi is the perfect amount. Too much Abi, especially in so many episodes in a row, is tiring

          • Barbara Anderson

            That’s why she was so good on Philippines. She truly benefits by being on a dominant tribe in a three-tribe season.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Also Abi may not have been the most evil person on that season. There are few things I found funnier than Petebro unleashing Abi on RC just because he could.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Yeah, Petebro definitely does not get enough villain cred because well, there’s Abi. I could see getting on the Villains tribe because he’s still relatively young, he’s attractive, and he “unleashed” Abi Maria on the “poor innocent” RC

          • sharculese

            Don’t get me wrong, Petebro seems very much like the kind of person who has a favorite Sublime song, and there’s definitely a skin-crawly-ly aura to him, but I kind of admire the way when he realizes how things are going he’s very calmly and acceptingly like, ‘welp, gonna go scramble now.’

          • Barbara Anderson

            That’s why I think he is so intriguing as a character. I think he has some sense for the game, but he also thinks that villains have more fun.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            He’s also pretty hot.

          • sharculese

            I can’t argue with that.

          • Kemper Boyd

            He has creepily long arms (this is a small preview of my most awkward promo photos article).

          • Diego Armando

            He also respected the glorious Malcolm. “I looked him in the eyes and I knew in my gut that he did not have the Hidden Immunity Idol”.

          • Prom King

            That was the moment I realized just how deep his idiocy went. Haha, Pete!

          • Kemper Boyd

            Also the right kind of Abi. Her crazy had a lot more humour this season and it makes sense, she tore her ACL on day one and carried on for another 30+ days. She must have been in a lot of pain as well as being hungry and everything else that goes with being on Survivor.

    • Saturday Evening Palsy

      I get it. I would never, ever want to see Coach win Survivor but I love the seasons he is on.

      • Purplerockmatt

        except South Pacific, right?

        • Saturday Evening Palsy

          Well, until I found out he was on South Pacific I would have said no, but now I’ll have to let you know.

          Also, his wikipedia page photo is great. He looks like the kind of guy who throws playing cards through vegetables. I guess he’s always looked that way though.

          • sharculese

            Every time I see Coach’s wikipedia photo my immediate reaction is to ask why he looks like a magician.

          • Saturday Evening Palsy

            Again, he’s always kinda looked that way.

            Actually he looks like a struggling magician who waits tables at a casino restaurant in Vegas.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Honestly though, why wouldn’t Coach look like a magician. just makes sense

          • sharculese

            Because Stephen is The Wizard, not him.

          • Purplerockmatt

            there is a difference between a Wizard and a Magician.

          • Saturday Evening Palsy

            Is it hit die?

          • Purplerockmatt

            *pushes glasses up* I assume you mean attach roll, and not damage roll, but actually the difference is one typically commands area attacks and the other typically only can target one person at a time.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            *clears throat*
            NERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD

          • Purplerockmatt

            I was expecting this six hours ago

          • Purple Rock Emma

            It’s been a busy day at work.

          • sharculese

            If you say it you have to link it! Those are the rules!

          • Purple Rock Emma

            You’re forgetting that the primary trait of the PRP staff is laziness.

          • sharculese

            That’s why I keep that link bookmarked.

          • Purplerockmatt

            He is easily at his worst in South Pacific. It’s the preachy version of Coach and not the “I have” version of Coach

          • Saturday Evening Palsy

            Tocantins is where I fell in love with Coach. I’ll watch it for that Coach.

          • sharculese

            You know the scene in Tocantins where he’s asking God to forgive Sierra for lying about things she’s totally telling the truth about? Imagine if Coach was on that setting all of the time. That’s South Pacific Coach.

          • Saturday Evening Palsy

            That’s not good. But in a perfect world Coach would be on every season, he would always last to the loved one visit, and he would bring Assistant Coach every single time.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Ah, you’ve reminded me why I could never get behind Coach, even in Tocantins. I can’t stand sanctimony.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Like most absurd Survivor characters Coach is most fun when he gets his comeuppance, in South Pacific it takes way too long to see him lose to Sophie.

        • Brenda4evah

          Coach is watchable on South Pacific if you know going in that it pays off in his humiliation (same with Ozzy). What makes that season unbearable is Lil Hantz. We all like to call Abi crazy and impossible to work with, but Brandon was the real thing.

    • Ms_Woozah

      Agreed. She was pure entertainment. I like her brand of zany villainy much more than say, some people last season.

      • Kemper Boyd

        If I had to watch a season on Survivor with returning players and the choices were Abi-Maria, Wiglesworth or Monica I’m choosing Abi every time.

    • andythesaint

      I found her hilarious tonight. Deep, guttural laughs when she reacted to Tasha’s request to have a conversation with Jeremy alone. It was perfect.

      She’s an interesting element to the game to see how players handle her. Most failed in executing the proper strategy, which is to remove her from the playing field.

      • Kemper Boyd

        To be fair to Abi, I feel like her reaction was an honest representation of what all players think when someone says “hey, can I just have a private conversation with X”. Like “Bitch, please, you wanna talk talk in front of me or walk the fuck away”.

        • Purplerockmatt

          oh yeah that was way more on Tasha than on Abi there. Like if Tasha wants to talk to Jeremy, just walk the fuck away from Abi. Unless Abi had been following them for like hours, in which case why are you being polite about it?

        • andythesaint

          I’m not even faulting her necessarily. But there’s a couple things about it that made it uniquely Abi: 1) I’m guessing Tasha only asked because she’s knows that if Jeremy and her did walk off, that would set Abi off. So she felt that asking for permission might actually help. You could hear the fear and resignation in her voice. 2) Abi’s passive-aggressive response is classic Abi. “Whatever, of course, no problem, veiled threat”.

  • Saturday Evening Palsy

    I’m gonna have to paraphrase this one: “If you woulda asked the folks back home ‘Where’s Keith? Has he been on a rocketship to Mars and back or is he in a Temple in Cambodia watchin’ some Chinese girls dance?’ They’da said ‘Prob’ly on Mars! What would Keith be doin’ in Cambodia?'”

    Does not speak well for the kind citizens of Louisiana.

    • sharculese

      As I said a couple weeks ago, I’ve got a friend who’s from Louisiana and his mom absolutely loathes Keith because she thinks he gives the state a bad name.

      • Diego Armando

        Spit

      • purplerockpodcast

        Keith could just as easily be from Florida.

        • sharculese

          I’ve spent enough time in the panhandle not to argue with that.

      • Other Scott

        He is a bit too much of a stereotype for my liking too.

  • sharculese

    Can we talk for a minute about Stephen’s shirt? Because I am in love with Stephen’s shirt. I wouldn’t wear it, like, in society, but it is the perfect thing for tribal council and I want to know why he didn’t save it for FTC.

    • VoicOff

      Probably he has an even uglier one in store just for that

    • Kemper Boyd

      What about Savage’s shirt? 3 sizes too big, check, horrible print, check.

      • sharculese

        Stephen’s shirt felt like a choice, whereas Savage’s just felt like yet another instance of dude not knowing how to dress himself.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I think I’ve finally become immune to Savage’s beanie so all my focus was on how awful the shirt is. Question is Stephen a hipster?

          • sharculese

            I feel like it’s been years since the word ‘hipster’ had any concrete meaning.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Is this an image of Stephen prior to Second Chances?

          • sharculese

            Stephen is solidly a decade older than all of those people, at the least.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I know! I just Googledon’t hipster and that guy looked like a young Fishbach.

      • andythesaint

        I’m not sure we can criticize people who just starved for ill-fitting clothes.

        I mean, I suppose we CAN. But it might not be fair.

        • Kemper Boyd

          No that is a 90s style too big not a just lost 13 pounds too big.

          • sharculese

            Yeah, dropping 15 pounds might mean you need to buy new pants, but it doesn’t fundamentally change your body type.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            It would change the shit out of mine.

          • Kemper Boyd

            would it make you taller? because Savage is wearing the shirt of a man at least 5 inches taller than him and at least 100 pounds heavier.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I’m literally just pointing out that saying losing 15 pounds doesn’t affect your body as a general statement makes no sense. Not even referring to Savage.

            Also Savage lost more than 15 lbs and cabana wear may be ugly, but it’s also not exactly meant to be fitted.

          • sharculese

            Yeah, I should have been more precise in what I said. You’re not wrong.

          • sharculese

            It’s probably too broad but it’s certainly true that Savage can drop fifteen pounds without it radically altering who he is. I mean, Jeremy dropped 20 before he went out there and he’s still recognizably Jeremy.

  • sweaterfan

    I seriously think I threw my back out whipping around to watch the ‘next time on’ when Jeff teased the HUGE THING THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE

  • Diego Armando

    I have finished my review at https://robertsreviewsandmusings.wordpress.com/. Feel free read it and let me know what you think.

    This season has been great and I am thankful that I that the season I started doing writeups for has been so good.

    I cannot wait for the finale.

  • Diego Armando

    I think Jeremy will win, but I am not confident in that prediction. My likelihood of winning odds would be: 32% Jeremy, 30% Spencer, 28% Kelley, 6% Tasha, 3% Kimmi, 1% Keith. I love that I don’t know the winner.

    • Other Scott

      I probably have Keith in 4th place. They could have structured a better edit around Kimmi if she won and I just don’t see it happening with Tasha.

      I could see if Keith won after being on the wrong side of the votes so many times, their only option would be to play up his Keithness, which they’ve done the last couple of episodes.

  • Diego Armando

    I really hope the thing that Jeff said will happen for the first time in history is a total vote negation.

    • Saturday Evening Palsy

      What would happen instead?

      • Diego Armando

        If you are referring to the negation, likely either a revote or a rock draw. If you are referring to another possibility for what Probst was talking about: either a tie at final tribal or a Final Four.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Honestly, I’m not all that excited now we’ve talked about it for so long.

    • Other Scott

      I’m somewhat terrified of a final 4

  • Ethan Kyle

    I’m still fully on the Keith is the theoretical mix of Bob, Fabio and Natalie White winner train

    • Saturday Evening Palsy

      Keith was the winner from first spit.

    • andythesaint

      What could Keith say to convince this jury to vote for him? I mean, I get that he’s a really amazing public speaker, but still.

      Has he cast a correct vote yet?

      • Barbara Anderson

        He voted out Kass and Stephen.

        • andythesaint

          I figured he wasn’t completely at zero, but couldn’t think of any. The Kass one should’ve been obvious though.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Well, that was the crazy tribal, but I knew off the top of my head because two of my remaining fantasy league players voted her out. I had to look up the Stephen one because I couldn’t remember what side he ended up on

      • Ethan Kyle

        Every vote other than the Joe and Abi vote he has at least voted with the majority, and if i remember correctly a lot of people have been praising his UTR social game in exit interviews, plus with Savage and Wigglesworth being so bitter I think he has a good shot

        • Purplerockmatt

          he didn’t vote in the majority when Wigles went home, he voted for Kelley. So he has been in the majority three times (two of which had idols played) and the minority three times

          • Ethan Kyle

            Yeah i just noticed that the Kelley/kelly thing myself

  • gouis

    Abi’s Ponderosa is incredible. It perfectly encapsulates everything that makes people love, hate, and get annoyed by her.

    I mean she shows up and Kass and Savage IMMEDIATELY start arguing with each other, and she does nothing to contribute other than just be there.

  • sharculese

    So I’ve been skipping the Ponderosa vids for a couple weeks because of all the warnings about what a sullen child Savage is being, but I couldn’t skip Abi’s, and dear god Savage is such a fucking child. I just want someone to shake him and be like “I don’t care how much of a selfish dimwit you are, don’t ruin this for everyone else.”

    It doesn’t help that Kass is egging him on, and bad on her for that, but he can choose to not be such a fucking baby and it appears to not be in his power to make that choice.

    • gouis

      Maybe he lost his favorite puka shell bracelet.

      • sharculese

        Or his best pair of clam diggers got wrecked by the staff.

      • Kemper Boyd

        But surely that shirt he wore to tribal should cheer him up?

    • sharculese

      “I feel like I had a much rougher season that most people.”

      Dude. You made it to 7. And that should not have happened. Get some perspective.

      PS: Andrew Savage is a creep.

      • corndogshuffle

        “I feel like I had a much rougher season that most people.”

        Dude. You got to play Survivor. I would lose my left pinky (just like Probst said he would) to get on. You’ll be ok.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        I read this before I watched the video and assumed that Savage was the one saying it. But oh, Abi. People finding you annoying doesn’t mean you didn’t get a second chance. It means you weren’t able to not be annoying.

        • sharculese

          I listened to her interview with Rob on the way out to a student today and I can’t believe (no that’s wrong, I can believe it because it’s Abi) that she is to this day claiming that there was nothing wrong with how she behaved out there and people were just biased against her because of Philippines.

    • Prom King

      But he’s so much fun as a sullen child! I loved seeing Kass put him in his place in the most recent Ponderosa. He sulked like a teenager and it was hilarious.

      • sharculese

        I’m really just over him and his nonsense.

  • Roswulf

    I’ve been loving this season through last week, but found this episode weirdly unappealing. Maybe it’s because I’m tired and stressed and curmudgeonly, but the fact that every week everything reshuffles madly suddenly became too much for me.

    God damn it people, the women’s alliance was worth considering for more than a day. People are trying to structure a narrative here!

    Ah well. At least Abi is gone. She’s been a worthy all-star, but once we’re down to the very end I’d like as few goats as possible, and Keith is much more adorable.

    • sharculese

      I don’t think the women’s alliance was ever a real thing. This episode makes clear that Tasha was solid with Jeremy (and apparently Kimmi?!) and Spencer was the wobbly one, the only question was it what direction he wobbled.

      • Roswulf

        It definitely wasn’t- but that was the narrative being set up last episode, with Tasha as the swing. And then this episode hit the reset button almost entirely.

        And instead of finding it thrilling, this week it just made me tired.

        • sharculese

          Yeah, but that’s what I’m saying. Anything the narrative pushes this aggressively I assume isn’t going to happen, at this point. So I went into this episode wondering how the cards were really going to fall, since a women’s alliance clearly wasn’t going to be the direction things went. And it wasn’t amazing, but it was good.

          • Roswulf

            So…a win for Kimmi?

          • Kemper Boyd

            Ok, if you remove the edit as a concept adn treat it like it’s happening live, Kimmi isn’t in a terrible spot, if she could get to FTC with Kelley and Keith she would have a shot, the jury is full of Bayons.

        • Barbara Anderson

          I think that is a major FLLLLAWWWW (in Russell’s voice) with this season. The edit wants us to be surprised, but instead I am just confused.

      • andythesaint

        I think what happened is that Kimmi was trying to get Joe voted out. So… women’s alliance.

        • sharculese

          One of her secret scenes for this week suggests that Kimmi really wanted to pull together a women’s alliance, but that she also understood that Tasha wasn’t on board.

      • Kemper Boyd

        It seems like it was something brought up as an option, floated and ultimately rejected but shown as a bigger thing in the edit. I’d have thought they were dumb not to bring it up but I do think it was a better option for Tasha but one she was never likely to take.

    • corndogshuffle

      I did think this was a “below average” installment of this Second Chance season, but to me that speaks more to the quality of play we’ve experienced so far than it does to the actual quality of this episode.

      Agreed about Keith. He is one of my favorite people ever on Survivor. Not that I think he could ever actually win, but he just seems like a really fun guy to have around.

    • Other Scott

      Yeah, this has been a below average season for me, and I don’t think it’s really productions fault. The players are just playing such a wild day-by-day style that there’s no narrative to structure.

      I mean they could have done no swaps and had alliances really coalesce, but they really had no reason to think the game was going to destabilize this much and be this confusing.

  • ShitShow

    Just finished one of the Spencer videos. The fact that he memorized the puzzle and knew it upon arrival is PERFECT.

    • sharculese

      I was wondering about that. I figured that one of Jeremy or Spencer would totally be up for doing that kind of prep, given that that puzzle was designed, announced, and explained.

      • ShitShow

        I mean, why not right? If you have the chance to go back and know it’s gonna be a second chances heavy, hell, throw it in your wallet and see if you ever need to use the “Know the End of the Challenge Free” Card.

        • sharculese

          I’m not sure how high up the list of things you want to do it is, but good on Spencer for having it in his toolbox.

    • sharculese

      The related Jeremy confessional is also great because it comes off as jealous, but in a positive way. Like, one Survivor nerd realizing that another Survivor nerd nerd-ed something out in a way that he didn’t think to. It’s adorable.

      • ShitShow

        100%. That “nerd” was a respectful “nerd” from one nerd to another.

        • sharculese

          I can totally see the two the coming back to camp and Spencer being saying “yeah, I spent a bunch of time studying that puzzle” and Jeremy thinking “damn, why didn’t I do that?”

  • Barbara Anderson

    I just corrected Survivor Wiki on Twitter about Keith’s challenge win, guys. The sad thing about it was I was able to look on Survivor Wiki to correct Survivor Wiki

  • Other Scott

    I’m really confused as to what Kelley Wentworth should be doing to get respect from these people. She has the resume game-wise, she has the resume on a social standpoint, she doesn’t seem to be not well liked.

    Is there just sexism in play where people don’t appreciate the Wentworth game because she’s female? It’s literally the same floater game Spencer has played, except with an idol play and less outright back-stabbing.

    Or maybe she’s just not doing a good job forming close bonds with people? I don’t know, it’s really hard to tell what’s going on this season.

    • Purplerockmatt

      I have this theory that majority alliances members don’t respect people on the minority alliance unless they make the final and do so in somewhat showy fashion. But I think it’s clear that this season has been dominated by Jeremy’s alliance and if you look at the votes that deviated from that it has been because people “used” her vote to eliminate someone they saw as a bigger threat like a Stephen or a Joe. I also wonder if maybe Ciera stole so much of the shine from the early days of their underdog alliance that Kelley isn’t getting recognition for anything pre-Ciera vote off except the idol play

      • Kemper Boyd

        I agree but I do think women do always get the least credit when it’s being handed round so if a guy in a minority alliance gets some credit then the woman next to him will get less.
        I would not be shocked if Spencer is getting ALL the credit for the Stephen and Joe boots even though Kelley seemed based on the edit to have done an equal part in those votes.

        • Purplerockmatt

          Yea I agree with that. The funny thing is that Kelley’s best chance to win might be in a finale where Jeremy and Spencer split the vote and she siphons off 4 from the remainder (which I can definitely see her getting)

          • Kemper Boyd

            Her best shot was Keith and Abi but as that is gone then I could see Kelley, Jeremy and Spencer being 4-3-3 with any of them winning.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I think Kelley could possibly beat Tasha or Kimmi, but such a scenario ain’t happening, so I think she has a better shot against both Jeremy and Spencer rather than against only one of them

          • Kemper Boyd

            Even that could be hard because of the number of Bayon on that jury. I think Tasha would gain most of Jeremy’s votes if he went out (including his actual vote).

          • Purplerockmatt

            Except i think people really don’t like Tasha.

          • Kemper Boyd

            This could be fair but Savage does and Jeremy does and that means people at Ponderosa pitching. You think Wigles would vote Wentworth over Tasha?

          • Purplerockmatt

            Wigles no, Savage no, Jeremy maybe, but it requires a lot more

          • sharculese

            I don’t know if ‘dislike’ is accurate for all of them, but I can absolutely see Tasha talking herself out of votes.

          • Other Scott

            I think Tasha might be the Sash of the season, where she looks like a contender, but then gets crushed in the final 3 and we look back on it and think, yeah, that makes sense.

            Except you haven’t seen Nicaragua, so you may not get that reference.

          • Other Scott

            I think Kimmi’s a lot less of a goat than people think. Every single one of Dalton Ross’ exit interviews are extremely positive towards her in word association. Like she was the only one Abi said anything nice about, and she helped vote Abi out.

            She ain’t winning, but I don’t know about a goat.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Minor correction: Gordon Holmes does the word association exit interviews.

          • Other Scott

            Right. Those are two different people.

      • Prom King

        I think it may just be as basic as none of the players have seen her doing anything outside of playing her idol. Nothing particularly strategic except being part of a girls alliance – for which Ciera was given ringleader credit. I wish the other players could see the uber strategic player that we’ve been seeing at home, but I don’t know how that would be possible.

    • sweaterfan

      I think Kelley’s game and her fellow players’ reactions to it are fascinating. She’s really playing a version of the Sandra game, and I almost wonder if this is showing us that Sandra is the only one with the exact personality to pull it off? If a young pretty blonde woman finds herself on the bottom again and again but still manages to survive (and frequently finds a way to vote with the majority) she’s apparently seen as a floater, and even a goat.
      Then again, I don’t think Sandra’s fellow players ever thought of her as a threat to win in HvV until she turned in a stellar performance at FTC. Maybe Kelley could pull off the same thing here, but I have to think that if she ends up in the final 3 with Jeremy and/or Spencer, they would both have to have Stephen-sized meltdowns for her to pull out a win.
      To add an additional layer of weirdness, her edit has been pretty amazing all season, which I think is why Spencer’s ‘goat’ comments about her seemed so bizarre. There are several factors that have caused the edit this season to be really hard to interpret, but Kelley’s edit vs. how her fellow survivors apparently see her is particularly weird for me.
      I can’t wait to see what happens in the finale!!

      • sharculese

        There is a certain subset of fans who have criticized Kelley for being ‘arrogant’ and ‘gloating’ in a way that, let’s be honest, comes of as kind of sexist. I wasn’t around during the HvV era, but I’d be curious to know if Sandra ever got that kind of reaction, then.

        • Purplerockmatt

          Sandra got a similar but different reaction. People were pissed when Sandra won again

        • Brenda4evah

          Yeah, arrogant and gloating is unforgivable if you’re a mere skinny white girl, but A-OK if you’re Russell, who was robbed because jury management isn’t really a thing.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I think you have a point about the sexism. I think women inherently get less credit than men in Survivor (much like life) and if a woman manages to survive week after week it’s thought that it’s because of the decisions of others, not the work she put in to save herself.

        • Other Scott

          I think it’s not all sexism though. Ciera was getting a lot of the credit for the witches succeeding for a while. Kelley just has a tendency to fade into the background I think, which gives the appearance that she’s doing nothing. In actuality, she’s rolled with nearly every punch thrown her way so far.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Not all no. But some of the underestimation of her like Jeremy basically saying “I had to get my idol at a challenge, there is no way Kelley could do that” that led to Savage’s blindside.

          • sharculese

            Ciera was also getting a lot of blame for being to mouthy though, so…

    • andythesaint

      I think it’s also a bit of the pre-game fame thing. Kelley was the least qualified person to get voted on, which (as many predicted) has probably helped her stay under the radar. This seemed to be a little of what Tasha was getting at with her “these aren’t the people the fans who voted want to see win”. Particularly since Tasha was pretty confident (rightly so) that she would get voted in.

  • forever1267

    Did anyone actually say the title “Villians Have More Fun”. I never heard it.

    Abi Maria was on EWRadio this morning, and seemed to be barely tolerating Jessica Shaw and Dalton Ross’ questions. She will not be missed by me.

    • sharculese

      Abi said it in one of her confessionals.

      • sweaterfan

        Yeah, and that confessional stuck out to me because they didn’t actually show her saying it. I seem to remember her saying something similar in her intro section of the premiere, so I sort of wonder if they took the full sound bite for this episode and that’s why it was done as voice over with no visual?

        • sharculese

          Are you sure? I swear I distinctly remember seeing her say it.

          • sweaterfan

            I’m like 70% sure? At least the “villains have more fun” part…but I could be wrong. I’m planning on rewatching the episode soon, so I will look out for it.

          • sweaterfan

            Okay I rewatched it last night, and the “villains have more fun” speech was a voice over layered over scenes from camp, but Abi’s face was on screen for parts of it (just not talking). Sort of a weird editing choice I think.

    • sharculese

      Also barely tolerating Dalton Ross is probably more than I could muster, so putting up with him to any degree is admirable as far as I’m concerned.