Survivor Cambodia Episode 4 Liveblog – “What’s the Beef?”

It’s our fourth week of live coverage of Survivor Cambodia.  Follow us on Twitter and Storify!

 

Wrap Thoughts and Three Up and Three Down:
Nothing to say here folks.  Angkor lost and our staff favorite went home.  John is devastated guys.  He has lost Shirin and Varner!  This is like his worst nightmare.  As to Bayon and Ta Keo they remain super strong.  I suspect we may get a double boot next week before the tribes go back to 2.
Three Up:
Kass (She has a heart!  She is nice!), Wentworth (her edit is amazing guys), Monica (guess who got a looooooong confessional!), Woo’s happy face.
Three Down:
Kelly (you are screwed Wigles), Abi (I think with Varner gone this might finally be the time when people get rid of the Abi bomb, then again probably not), Woo’s surprised face.
Savage Corner: Weeks like this are what my Savage love is built on.  He wins a hero challenge, he controls a vote, he espouses a love for a completely new tribe (this guy is the polygamist of loving Survivor tribes).  Look guys for the first time since the preview for the swap I feel good about Savage’s chances.  Which means he is going to get screwed.  Screwed.  I can never feel safe as a Savage fan.  There is something broken in me.

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  • Barbara Anderson

    I just wanted to say that Abi Maria retweeted something snarky I said 5 minutes ago. So, if you don’t hear from in an hour, you know who did it.

    • Purplerockmatt

      She has already turned on you.

      • Barbara Anderson

        That’s why I felt fire on my neck…it’s from a Brazilian dragon.

    • VoicOff

      Man, don’t stay alone.
      She is fast, faster than you think.
      Don’t turn your back. Don’t look away. And don’t. Blink.

      • Barbara Anderson

        Guys, I’m not alone but I’m with my family who willingly watch Big Brother, but scoff at Survivor. Is that worse than being alone?

        • Purplerockmatt

          yes

          • Barbara Anderson

            But, I guess I am not truly alone because I’m here with you all.

          • Purplerockmatt

            group hug!

          • Barbara Anderson

            We need it after tonight.

        • andythesaint

          If they weren’t family, I’m sure you’d do the right thing and cast them aside.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Probably. Why watch Big Brother over Survivor? If any reality show can be accused of being rigged, it would be Big Brother.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Do you want Abi-Maria to murder them all? She might just to get to you.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Valid point. Good thing that she doesn’t know exactly where I live.

          • purplerockpodcast

            Yet.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Good point.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Honestly I’m surprised nothing has happened to me yet, considering Rodney used to favorite every one of my tweets that mentioned him. Stay safe.

      • Barbara Anderson

        On another weird note, my tweet about Terry being big and long got favorited by Tyson (I think…I know there are multiple accounts that claim to be Tyson). So, tonight was an odd night for me on twitter.

        • sharculese

          I forget Tyson’s twitter handle but if it’s the real him it’s a verified account. The fake Tysons exists because he asked his fans to create a critical mass of impostor accounts so Twitter would verify him.

          • Barbara Anderson

            It’s the fake one. But, I will still take it!

      • itsafuckingSTICK

        Just don’t do it ‘twice’! Even then, you might be safe.

    • itsafuckingSTICK

      Just don’t say it twice! Even then, you might be safe.

      • Barbara Anderson

        First of all, love your username.
        Secondly, I am a little scared that she will come back and get me next week. I will let you all know if I survive.

      • forever1267

        …and a new horror franchise was born….

        • itsafuckingSTICK

          ‘Third time’s a curse…’

  • Scarlett3639

    If Monica forms an all female alliance I demand that we call it the Purple Widow Alliance.

    • andythesaint

      We will acquiesce to your demands.

      • Scarlett3639

        You are gracious overlords.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I’m in for this.

  • sharculese

    It turns out that, 17 seasons later, watching the tribe that has no food or supplies fail at things is still not entertaining. Who would have guessed.

  • Scarlett3639

    I can feel Varner’s charm through the screen. Damn he’s good.

    • Purplerockmatt

      I think he knew by Abi’s look that he was screwed. But he is super charismatic.

  • Diego Armando

    I am sad. A light has left the game. My fantasy teams are done (unless Woo somehow goes on a Mike level immunity run and wins) and my favorite player is gone. I shall be writing up a review later, but for now, I shall have a moment of silence to honor this great man.

    • Barbara Anderson

      I’m sorry to break your silence, but who did you have?

      • Diego Armando

        Varner and Woo in the Savage league. Savage, Spencer, Varner, Wentworth in pick 4. At least now I can relax and enjoy the season.

        • Barbara Anderson

          I had Varner too. I think a lot of us are with ya there.

          • Diego Armando

            I was rooting for him besides the fantasy game. I watched Australia last year and found him to be ahead of his time and was overjoyed when he was announced as a Second Chance pick. He was easily the person I was most excited to see brought back.

          • Barbara Anderson

            I had the same situation as you, except I rewatched AO this summer. It also feels weird that Jeff was a Kucha, doesn’t it?

    • Kemper Boyd

      I am joining you in a moment of silence to honour my fantasy team which is likewise over. Unless Ciera pulls out a Mike Holloway level immunity run!

  • VoicOff

    I love Jeff but you know what ? He disappointed me last week by voting off PG. He deserved to go. He should.Have.Known. better.

    Abi burned every bridge she crossed and somehow people still went out of their way to keep her. It was obvious she would set them on fire next. Next week i will be happy if Tasha or Savage are eliminated. They need to get rid of her like, yesterday.

    • sharculese

      What was he supposed to do? The vote was for Peih-Gee. He’s a charmer, not a wizard.

  • sharculese

    Does Varner play Survivor again? I think they’d have him if was willing, but I’m curious if he’d say yes.

    • Barbara Anderson

      If he plays again, it has to be soon. I would be worried for his health if he waited 4 or 5 years.

      • sharculese

        That’s sort of what I was thinking. He’s clearly not in great health. Is he willing to put up with it again.

    • purplerockpodcast

      I guarantee you that on the walk to Ponderosa they were saying “So, how quickly do you think you can get ready to come back out?”

      • Purplerockmatt

        More like they are already brainstorming themes they can bring him back out for. What we need is a Philippines style great narrators season. Varner, Penner and … I need a third

        • Ms_Woozah

          Courtney

          • Purplerockmatt

            yessssssss

          • Purple Rock Emma

            A woman after my own heart.

          • Barbara Anderson

            That’s fantastic not only for the chance to see Courtney, but there would then be another female besides Steph to return on a one returnee per tribe season.

          • Kemper Boyd

            A 3 Courtney season, Courtney Yates vs Kourtney Moon vs Fire Dancer Courtney.

          • Other Scott

            Survivor: Order in the Court

          • Kemper Boyd

            Send this to Probst, we must make it happen.

          • Other Scott

            Tribal Council set can be a courtroom, all the challenges can have a crime scene theme.

            It’s brilliant!

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Okay now you’re just pandering to me and John.

            I’m okay with it.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Or showing my true colours…

          • purplerockpodcast

            My dream season!

        • Kemper Boyd

          NO MORE PENNER.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I assume you forgot the correct punctuation. No! More Penner!

          • Kemper Boyd

            No dude, 3 turns and he’s not good at the game. Now obviously if you are making me choose more Penner or more Ozzie then yeah ok fine more Penner but no more Penner. I’m good thanks.

          • Purplerockmatt

            You don’t cast Penner because you expect him to win, you cast him because he is the best narrator the show has ever produced.

          • Adam B.

            More so than Hatch or Rob C? than Cochran?

          • Purplerockmatt

            I think Penner has a slight advantage over that group because I think Penner understands Survivor as a tv show better than anyone not named Jeff Probst. Hatch though probably comes closest in this regard.

          • sharculese

            Yeah, this is it. Those guys are good talkers with an eye for great tv moments, but Penner approaches Survivor with a seasoned veteran’s sense of how tv as a product is crafted, and it shines through not just in his confessionals but in all of interactions. If he works in television long enough, maybe Cochran will match him, but right now Penner is in a league of his own.

          • sharculese

            Jonathan Penner is perhaps the only man on the planet who approaches being a contestant on a reality competition with a dogged sense of professionalism.

          • purplerockpodcast

            Good at the game does not matter. Courtney is not necessarily good at the game either, but I will never turn down more Courtney.

          • Kemper Boyd

            But I like Courtney…

          • sharculese

            More Penner!

    • Purplerockmatt

      He is willing. Dude was having a blast even while fighting for his life

      • sharculese

        I hope so.

    • andythesaint

      I’m just not sure he can physically do it. We may need to find another role for him to keep him in the community. Like hosting their web series.

      • sharculese

        That’s my worry. Dude looked beat up out there and was by his own admission not great off to begin with.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I got spoiled by seeing a tweet as I monitored tweetdeck at work that said “Varner training for third time’s a charm”.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I really hope so. He’s been fun.

  • Ms_Woozah

    🙁

    • Ms_Woozah

      For real though, they have to get Varner back. I don’t care if it’s Third Chances or HvV2, I need him back on my screen after seeing how great this guy was. Dammit Abi.

      Kass being the ultimate troll was the best part about this episode. Between that and Spencer having feelings and Woo eloquently pleading his case, It’s like Twilight Zone Cagayan.

      • Purplerockmatt

        Kass trolling Wentworth by making her think she is making a fake idol only to reveal a birthday present was peak Kass. Like that is Kass using her trolling powers for good.

        • purplerockpodcast

          She’s next-level trolling. Trolling by subverting expectations!

        • VoicOff

          Kass is getting a luminous edit. It’s unbelivable.
          Also, getting on amazon right now to order a copy of “how to make friends ..”

      • gouis

        I’m not sure he’s healthy enough to really come back.

  • prettyboyprobst

    Damn, losing Varner hurts. What’s worse, we’re losing another element of chaos for the time after the merge. Or one that I can also enjoy rooting for, as there are probably enough cut-throat type players left in the game regardless. It’s just that after losing Varner and Peih-Gee, Abi and Stephen are seemingly in immediate danger so I guess after this season started as an embarassment of riches my hopes for an entertaining season in the long run rest now in Kass of all people. And despite another good episode for her, I don’t like Kass’ odds that much either.

    • Barbara Anderson

      We need to lose one of the alpha males fast.

      • Purplerockmatt

        (throws Terry under the bus)

        • Barbara Anderson

          Him or Joe. From watching the first few episodes of Cagayan, I have some new Survivor eye-candy that is much better than Joe.

      • prettyboyprobst

        Does Spencer count as an Alpha male, for all his reported crotch-framing maybe (btw, Varner left with another episode of being the actual culprit in that regard)? They casted some doubt here with that looong Monica-confessional, but I don’t get my hopes up to much. Admittedly I think it’s kind of fun having him in the game, as long as he doesn’t win, but I wouldn’t lose any sleep over losing him. Other than that, maybe Dietz, but nobody else seems to be in danger.

        • Barbara Anderson

          I don’t think so. When I think alpha males, I think those men who get last name privileges (except Stephen) and Jeremy. Even though he loves Spencer, he can never quite be an alpha in any situation. Even now, he’s second or third guy on the Bayon totem pole based on the edit.

          • VoicOff

            I feel like what endires Probst in Spencer is the fact that he sees in him an alpha-potential. A lost baby, to be teached in the path of alpha-ness, with so much work to do, but promising.

          • sharculese

            I said basically the same thing about Spencer over at the AV Club last week. There’s something about Spencer that makes older dudes think – “I can teach this boy to be a man.”

            Tony, Jeremy, Probst – Spencer encourages the same instinct in all of them. The question is whether he can work it to his advantage.

          • Purplerockmatt

            in a sexual way I presume

          • Barbara Anderson

            Where’s Corazon when you need her?

          • VoicOff

            *drums*

            LET’s get DOWN to Buisness !
            To defeat ! The Huns !

          • Sylvisual

            Angkor’s the saddest bunch I’ve ever met. But you can bet, before we’re through. Somehow Savage. Makes a man. Out of Woooooooo.

          • Violina23

            I’m kinda sad that I got that reference…

          • sharculese

            It’s too bad Jeremy and Spencer aren’t on Ta Keo, because Bayon slots pretty well into that song.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Yeah. I just don’t think that Spencer could ever be an alpha.

          • VoicOff

            I don’t like Spencer that much but that’s my cue to mention that i think “alpha” is mostly a very toxic concept based on misconceptions and antidated politics. “Alpha” is not a good thing to try to be.

          • Purplerockmatt

            i would subscribe to that.

          • Barbara Anderson

            I often equate “alpha” with “macho”, which is basically the same idea that you said.

          • andythesaint

            Yeah, a lot of the flaws in our society stem from the idea that we instil in boys early that if they’re not dominating others, they are failures.

      • VoicOff

        We need to lose all of the alpha-males. Who wants to watch to the end of this season if only Terry, Jeremy, Joe and Savage are left ? I didn’t sign up for bro-Island.

        Thanksfully, when the merge will be around the corner, alpha’s heads will start rolling.

        • prettyboyprobst

          But who will be left to triumph? I didn’t sign up for Kelley vs Ciera vs Tasha either (would still watch though). Still, some head-rolling would be a good start.

          • Barbara Anderson

            I think we need a good mix. This season should be Strategy vs Strength vs Social (the truer version of BBB) and the winner needs to be someone who can encompass all three categories. Right now, the better bets would be Kelley or Jeremy. Some say Tasha, but I don’t like the majority of her social game at all.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Agreed entirely. Especially about Kelley and Jeremy.

          • sharculese

            Echoing you on Tasha. A lot of the time she comes off as trying way too hard to be cool. I groaned double time on her “Jeff (not Probst)” vote

          • purplerockpodcast

            I can’t decide who is less genuine: Tasha or Monica. Probably Tasha, though.

          • sharculese

            Tasha is genuine. I think she’s just genuinely incredibly lame.

          • purplerockpodcast

            Perhaps. But her “Joe-ga” confessional in the premiere was cringe-worthy for how contrived it felt.

          • Barbara Anderson

            I didn’t notice this on my first viewing of the premiere but on my second viewing, you could tell that she knew she would get screentime for it. Just look at her body language. That’s not a “cougar” eyeing her prey, that’s someone who is desperate for a hashtag.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Until we get more on Monica, I will have to say Tasha. But for someone who kinda wants to flirt with all the men, it seems weird that she would be the one to talk about the all girls alliance.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            *cough* Parvati *cough cough*

          • Barbara Anderson

            Oh yeah. However, it seems so out of place that we got a strategic confessional now from her.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Because she’s probably learnt the lesson that as a woman who looks like her, if she sits next to a guy at the end who isn’t Woo or Keith the jurors will assume she did nothing strategically and vote for him.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Woo has impressed me this season though. Not with his strategy, but he has truly shown his fighting spirit. It’s interesting that his second chance has rendered him an underdog. Who would have thought that someone from the Brawn tribe would be one of the biggest underdogs in Survivor Cambodia?

          • prettyboyprobst

            I’d say Tasha. Not only has she these starving-for-attention moments, but sometimes I can’t believe how her in-game rhetorics could come off as genuine to her tribemates (e.g. last week when she blasted Varner at TC for betraying the family and so on. Savage is similiar in that regard).

            The way she steered through that swap and voted felt all like really good gameplay, but something about her makes me think that she’s too transparent and that nobody should be really buying into her crap. And maybe they’re not and there will just always be bigger problems than her.

          • Barbara Anderson

            I didn’t like how she handled the whole Varner situation last week. Yes, she did ultimately torpedo his game, but by doing it so publicly, did she torpedo her own?
            Also, what was up with her weird pose after they lost last week? That felt really fake as well.

          • Purplerockmatt

            She was a professional cheerleader right? I think that informs some of what she does

          • Barbara Anderson

            Oh, duh. She was a Rams cheerleader, which I should remember since there aren’t that many notable castaways that are credited with being residents of my home state of Missouri. But, she is also an accountant, right?

          • Purplerockmatt

            yeah I think that is right

          • Barbara Anderson

            That still sounds like such a weird hyphenated occupation.

          • sharculese

            WARNING, I’M ABOUT TO GET UP ON A POLITICAL SOAPBOX:

            Unfortunately, ‘professional cheerleader’ is kind of an oxymoron in our society. I can’t speak about the Rams organization, but a lot of NFL teams are aware that the number of women who see the position as springboard to other things that they can get away with basically making them work for free AND bear a good deal of the costs of the job. It’s a pretty gross form of exploitation of labor.

          • Purplerockmatt

            yeah there needs to be a better term for that. Like sub-contracted dancer earning a pittance

          • Kemper Boyd

            YES. But I think the cheerleading in her background is interesting, it’s extremely athletic and it’s about putting on a façade of happiness. Plus she is smart.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Yeah, she was really wrought up through the whole thing, I bet she was even more involved in that blow-up than what we’ve seen (receiving and/or dishing, we can probably tell soon from Varner’s exit interviews), even at the end you could tell she was loaded with adrenalin.
            But I don’t blame her at all for trying to make sth out of that situation, as it was her or Savage going home at this point. And it would have been if not for Jeff losing his fucking mind (dammit, Varner!), although from what we’ve seen I thought that he was predominatly throwing Savage under the bus for making deals with him AND Peih-Gee(not from her exits though).
            So while all of that felt really contrived to me as well, it was probably her best play at that point, even though she couldn’t pull it off without some of that grim eagerness showing through.

          • Barbara Anderson

            That’s actually a really great point. My problem is now she has the burden of babysitting Abi and we all know how well she does with babysitting wildcards.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Haha yeah, again so much potential for history repeating itself. First she swaps as minority into a tribe where everybody tramples on each other to work with her, only to get her game submarined by the wild card in her alliance at the merge (do I have my Cagayan-history right here)? Where do I sign?

          • Barbara Anderson

            From my half-finished viewing of Cagayan, that sounds right. Tasha was more focused on keeping Sarah than strengthening her ties with Kass, who already had a history of flipping votes.

          • sharculese

            Again, I think it’s just that Tasha is a colossal dork; it’s just less obvious that she’s a dork because she’s an ex-NFL cheerleader and built like a freight train.

            And that’s a character that can work on Survivor, but there’s a level of self-awareness and ironic embrace of that persona that you have to have to make it work and I’m not sure that’s a setting Tasha possesses.

          • Barbara Anderson

            That’s a good point because I think that Tasha likes to downplay her dorkiness when she should really play that up.

          • sharculese

            I think the problem is she’s not completely aware of it.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Oh…that makes absolute sense.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Unlike Wentworth who totally plays up her dorkiness.

          • Kemper Boyd

            This is how I feel about Savage. Savage is immensely lame, but he’s handsome, ripped and smart so his utter lack of cool isn’t exposed.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I think she’s playing the game that Savage wants from her “tribe strong”, dignity and all that crap. I think she can play a different game if needed. So far what we’ve seen has been good, if she can hold on to it in the long run remains to be seen.

          • prettyboyprobst

            All of that is probably true and she might not have played that way at all if not for Andrew setting the tone early.
            Savage is just so over the top with all that stuff, that it becomes funny to me. Don’t know if it’s a realistic expectation that it has a similiar on his fellow tribemates – probably not, but we haven’t seen any of that.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I’m not a fan of Savage either, I find him patronisingly paternalistic and bad loser. It will be interesting to see how Tasha deal with her relationship with him after some more switchups as it look like Angkor might be Matsing’d

          • Purplerockmatt

            I like her side-eye and eye rolls at Abi tonight.

          • Barbara Anderson

            But, what does that say about her social game? It just shows that she has little patience or understanding for the “wildcards”. I am in the middle of Cagayan and she hasn’t really evolved that aspect (or much) of her game at all. In fact, in the third tribal council that the Brains attended in Cagayan, she (along with Kass) ultimately chose physical strength in Spencer versus loyalty with J’Tia. Although there was (reportedly) production interference, does that not sound like the same decision she (along with Savage and Abi) made in this episode?

          • Purplerockmatt

            Oh I’m not saying i like it from a gameplay perspective but from a thank you for entertaining me Tasha. And the fact is that despite what we saw, we also saw her handle Abi well enough to not only keep her on her side but also vote off Abi’s biggest ally.

          • Max_Jets

            I don’t really see how you can pick at Tasha’s social game thus far in the season, considering everything she’s done in the last two episodes. Tasha was rolling her eyes, sure, but she’s also one of the only people who has been able to manage Abi. I could see her getting to FTC and getting burned there, but she’s shown to be a pretty dangerous social player.

          • Barbara Anderson

            This is all fair and maybe I am frustrated by Varner leaving so early. I am just worried that if her only social move is placating Abi kinda, it will just end up being like Parvati placating Russell kinda.

          • Max_Jets

            Yeah, hard not to be upset about that. She needed to keep her around for this long to stay in power, because it’d be too risky to lose the majority, but I think she’s smart enough to know to ditch Abi if Angkor goes to Tribal Council again. We shall see though…

          • Barbara Anderson

            I think with Savage thinking only of tribe strength, Abi could be a great one to send home. Although, which one of the four has not won individual immunity?

          • andythesaint

            Savage has only ever competed in one individual immunity challenge, so I’m not sure this is a fair comparison (actually, I know for a fact that it’s completely unfair). If you extend it to individual challenges, he’s now 1/2.

          • Barbara Anderson

            I was sincerely being sarcastic with the comment. After all, Abi’s immunity win was one that she got through an auction advantage, so she got to skip portions of it.

            Man, Varner leaving has caused me to go into a tizzy.

          • andythesaint

            It’s a tough time for all of us.

          • Barbara Anderson

            I wonder if she will throw that in Savage’s face for when he thinks about voting her out for physical strength.

          • Prom King

            She does have a history of wanting to work with crazy but not being able to successfully manage crazy in the end (J’Tia then Kass). I am assuming that this will come back to bite her, unless Angkor just keeps losing.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Maybe she is thinking that crazy will translate into her goat in the end, but she just can’t do it.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Did Probst read her vote? I don’t remember. I just remember rolling my eyes during the final words montage.

          • sharculese

            Her vote was not read. And honestly it’s a one out of 2. They have to do the Abi vote with the heart on it so Jeff knows he’s dead, so out of those two lets pick the one that’s just bland.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Or Probst just saw that vote and rolled his eyes in disgust as well.

          • sharculese

            I seriously hope he did.

          • Barbara Anderson

            It’s not like he has seen his name on the votes before. Heck Pagong even pranked him by voting him in one of their tribal councils. Needless to say, he wasn’t happy with them.

          • andythesaint

            More likely that they wanted to avoid the injection of levity into what was a dramatic (and sad) moment.

          • Saturday Evening Palsy

            His second vote “Jeffrey” with a heart was the nail in the coffin.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Aww, that made me giggle. But Joega was the worst thing that’s ever happened to me.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Count me intrigued. You wanna expand on that?

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Sure!

            Sometimes I like to use hyperbole for comedic effect.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Ah, I see. I thought there could be a more interesting story hidden, but good to hear you didn’t hurt yourself! (by going along at home)

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I actually do yoga for real, so I probably would have been fine. But alas, no interesting story.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I don’t think a winner would have to check all of these boxes – to overcome ones shortcomings in some department could be enticing in itself. As for who seems to be high up in the power-rankings, I think Kelley, Jeremy and Tasha are indeed sitting pretty right now. I just think it would be a shame if this season, that created so much excitement by bringing up all these familiar faces from way back when, would end up being dominated by people who just played in the last year or two.

          • Barbara Anderson

            That’s extremely valid. I have to wonder if this seasonal theme of “evolution” is going to ring false because the only people who really get to evolve are people who have played new school Survivor.

          • VoicOff

            (Have you seen Tasha ? She is not the antithesis of “alpha”. She is quite athletic. )

            I, for one, totally sign up for Kelley vs Kass vs the purple widow alliance of Monica, Ciera and Wiggles.
            I like my survivor players female, and unassuming. Sorry you don’t. You are entitled to your opinion, to each his own (but you are wrong and you suck)

          • prettyboyprobst

            I could get behind Monica and Wiggles, it’s just hard to get my hopes up after they hid Monica for so long and Kelly hiding herself.

          • VoicOff

            Yeah, the “purple widow alliance” is John’s joke about how invisible those women have been (just like the famous purple Kelly)

          • prettyboyprobst

            I’d say I’m in on that joke but didn’t notice until now that it makes my answer redundant in some ways.

            So, if we’re allowed to dream, I nominate Kimmi(again) for a post merge emergence of the winner’s edit.

          • purplerockpodcast

            To be fair, I think the Purple Widow Alliance is Scarlett3639’s joke. But I love it.

          • VoicOff

            Well, you did well in crediting her 🙂

          • Kemper Boyd

            Tasha is incredibly alpha in the way she behaves and being pretty fucking good physically.

          • VoicOff

            I think we agree on that, that was my point as well.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I was agreeing with you. I’m not a fan of people who as Bryce would say are “sainted up” but the reason I liked her in Cagayan is I’m a sucker for a Survivor player who breaks an archetype. Very rarely do we see a straight up Alpha Female and Tasha is one and I like watching it occasionally, it’s a nice break from the Dietzes and Savages of the world.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I’d way prefer Kelley vs Ciera vs Tasha two of those three have shown game chops early. How about Monica vs Woo vs Keith?

          • purplerockpodcast

            Production would intervene so hard if we were headed toward a Monica/Woo/Keith scenario. You’d suddenly see three hidden immunity idols pop up.

          • Kemper Boyd

            A shock double immunity challenge geared entirely towards the skills of Kass and Joe with a double elimination!

          • prettyboyprobst

            Kass even getting into finale night with a legitimate shot to win would be plenty of balm on my Survivor-inflicted wounds. I don’t even give a shit how she gets there, for all I care she can just sit there and look pretty.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Considering where we started though, none of these are acceptable scenarios in my mind, neither bro-island nor the boring girls that think they are hot shit.
            But at this point you can count me in for the latter final three, although I’d finetune it to Keith vs Kimmi vs KellyWiggles. Imagine the teeth-gnashing by all these inflated egos on the jury when they have to come up with reasons to award one of them the million.

  • purplerockpodcast

    What’s amazing is that we’ve lost three of my favorites going in to the season, and there are still plenty of players left that I can genuinely root for. Stephen, Kelley, Spencer, Savage, Kass, Jeremy. And Keith hasn’t even given us much yet.

    • Crappy

      Any great characters left? Losing Varner is now like losing Tony so early in Cagayan. I am out on Abi, bored of her antics. Kass seems reformed, doubt we will see chaos version this season. You only have Keith for comic relief. I won’t be surprised it this turns into a boring season now.

      • purplerockpodcast

        Honestly- and this is not a complaint- Varner dominated so much of the early story that we don’t really know what else we’re working with. Judging by some of the bonus scenes, Kass has been spinning gold, though.

        • prettyboyprobst

          Agreed, it certainly would have been good for the season if at some point someone else went to TC and got the edit that goes along with that.

        • Barbara Anderson

          I think that getting rid of Varner is like getting rid of Hatch in All Stars-although Chapera/Bayon had been dominating the whole time, we still had this big character who was an anchor in the storytelling. Once he’s gone, the real story can begin or get more fully developed.

          • Prom King

            This is a great comparison.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Thanks!

          • Kemper Boyd

            Agreed with Prom King, you’ve nailed it. I feel satisfied with Varners time on the show I hadn’t grown sick of him and now I’m looking forward to the main story.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Oh thanks!

          • Barbara Anderson

            I should said that Varner is an Angkor in the storytelling.

            I am going to leave now.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Probably, we’ve not seen any of them. Kelley has been confessional gold, Kass is superb, Joe is so lovely and I bet if we get some Kimmi she’ll be great.

        • Crappy

          It is not just good confessionals, Varner was willing to make big and crazy moves, something that shakes up the game and avoids a season turning into RI or one world where one alliance or a person just coasts it way to the end. Whilst I like Spencer, Tasha etc as survivor players, think they will be prone to riding an alliance to the end with an odd blindside. Take Russel Hantz for example, you may not like him but his crazy antics were a big part of HvV being the season it was.

          This may just be me taking Varner exit hard and the season may continue its momentum but I could see it all turning into kaput.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I feel you.

          • Kemper Boyd

            A move doesn’t need to be crazy to be big and it doesn’t need to be BIG to be a great move.

          • Roswulf

            I think the degree to which Varner was wonderful television and a great POV character is blinding us to the degree that he wasn’t initiating big and crazy moves…he was following Abi’s big and crazy moves. Varner was entirely unwilling to make the real big and crazy gesture of forcing a tie, or even bluffing the force of a tie, instead voting against Abi’s targets even when doing so backed him into a corner.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I am actually quite happy we lost Varner, I think 4 episodes was enough. I can’t believe how much I LOVE Kass. Team Kass.

  • Barbara Anderson

    Someone on Reddit pointed this out: Varner is the first person voted out who had an opening confessional. So, that means that those 12 people are not all guarenteed to be post-merge.

    • Purplerockmatt

      I figured they would mix it up eventually, but damn why did it have to be Varner!

      • Barbara Anderson

        Agreed.

  • Diego Armando

    I have now posted my review. It is on https://robertsreviewsandmusings.wordpress.com/. I am still sad though.

  • Ethan Kyle

    Well Fuck

    • Ethan Kyle

      I blame Savage and Tasha for this, mostly because blaming Abi is a complete waste of time

      • Roswulf

        I blame Varner (and PG…and Shirin…) for keeping Abi in Episode One. Strategically speaking, Savage and Tasha would have to be mad to keep Varner. Varner’s pitch for staying was that he was so close to Abi- and that puts them into a 2-2 going forward into another inevitable challenge loss. Abi and Woo on the other hand are extremely unlikely to team up. Varner was trapped once Abi flipped last episode.

        • andythesaint

          Everyone must pay the price for the original sin of teaming with Abi. Not sure how/when Spencer will get his, but it’s coming.

          • Roswulf

            I know the word is that Vytas somehow fled the premerge boot house, but it’s fun to imagine him just saying nothing but I TOLD YOU SO for an entire week plus as everyone who chose Abi over him trickles in one by one.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Will Kelley gets hers as well?

          • andythesaint

            No.

        • Kemper Boyd

          At what point can we stop blaming that day 3 vote for the fates of people? I mean it’s obviously still in play this week but next week?

          • andythesaint

            I think this is the end of it. And it was not the only (or even most significant) factor.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Probably, if Woo goes it will be down to his inability to show his value to Savage and Tsha over Abi which isn’t the same as being burned by her.

          • Roswulf

            Next week, unless there is a merge and somehow Abi knifes Spencer.

  • andythesaint

    Through four episodes, the person to go home was someone who has been to every Tribal Council this season. Which maybe shines a light on some of the pre game talk among fans and contestants about “targeting physical threats early”. It’s all well and good to say you have to take out a Joe or Spencer or Savage right away, but this season has served as a reminder of a really simple truth that I think has been forgotten by people wanting to see new things happen: the best way to avoid going home is to avoid going to Tribal Council.

    Or, to put it another way, don’t play a post merge game in the pre merge phase. Remember that one?

    • sharculese

      I don’t disagree, but with this season there’s also the element of ‘the bet way to avoid going to tribal council is to avoid drawing the yellow buff.’

      I thought your blindfold challenge theory was sound, but there was just no way of predicting just how massive those pieces would be, and it was completely impossible for Angkor to overcome that. Savage and Woo weren’t any better than the rest of them and that’s not gonna change.

      • Kemper Boyd

        They have no puzzle people.

        • purplerockpodcast

          That weakness was extremely glaring in that challenge. Even if they had the strength- and they didn’t- I don’t think they were going to finish that puzzle faster than the other tribes.

          • Kemper Boyd

            It doesn’t help you have Beautiful Mind + Beautiful Body Joe against you so it’s always going to be Bayon v Angkor for who 2nd.

          • purplerockpodcast

            Takeo actually came in 2nd on that one, but yes.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I watched it half an hour ago on my lunch break and I’ve already forgotten the order, this bodes well for me.

          • Sylvisual

            Let’s just stick with MMMBop.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Also I would like us to only refer to him as Beautiful Mind, Beautiful Body.

          • itsafuckingSTICK

            Is BMBB okay, or is that too diminishing to his greatness?

          • Kemper Boyd

            As long as we all remember what it stands for. I also like to think of him as the evolutionary Ozzie, imagine Ozzie if he were a sweet not douchey guy who was good at thinking.

          • itsafuckingSTICK

            BMBB is the way, the truth, and the light.

      • andythesaint

        Oh yeah, Angkor was completely screwed. They had nothing left in the tank by the time they assembled the pieces. You could say they have no puzzle people (and that might be true), but it wouldn’t have mattered if they did. They couldn’t have physically moved their pieces, and I think they mentally shut down.

        It would be interesting to see if stronger people had drawn the yellow buffs though. They’d still be at a massive disadvantage, but perhaps not an insurmountable one. Instead, we got three of the weakest players at a complete disadvantage. The should’ve thrown a bag of rice into that reward as well.

        As far as my “avoid tribal council”, that was less a judgement on these people and their decisions and more as a lesson to all of us for the future. Strength still matters, particularly early. Instead of looking at every strong person as a threat, a good player can see them as a tool.

        • purplerockpodcast

          I think of Terry as a tool.

    • Other Scott

      I have to say, I’m loving the subplot of “everyone who thought it was a good idea to vote out a strong tribe member because he was a threat gets their comeuppance.”

      And they all get voted out by the other option. Unfortunately, unless there’s a swap the well may have run dry on that one. And it’s only Spencer and Kelley left anyways.

  • itsafuckingSTICK

    I wish that when Angkor had been told, “Off with you to an empty beach!,” that they had also been given the option of either a bag of rice or a basket of tools (machete, rope, fishing spear, maybe a pot?). One option would have given them a bite to eat, the other a chance at a living; either would have left the tribe unstable enough that Probst could get his jollies.