Survivor Cambodia Episode 6 Liveblog – “Bunking With The Devil”

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Wrap Thoughts and Three Up and Three Down:
First off, all the feels for Terry.  What they must have felt like, I cannot even imagine.  Our best wishes go out to him and his son.  Ok but onto the episode.  Two big threads here are Stephen trying to make something happen and not having the collateral to do so and Kass and Spencer reunited and it feels so good.  Also somehow Keith and Joe have yet to go to tribal!  That is amazing.  I think Kass’ decision is a bad one not for purely strategic reasons, but because I think Kass’ biggest job in the pre-merge phase is to reassure people that she isn’t prone to flipping, and her first tribal, she does precisely that.  This won’t just piss Savage off, but the signal it sends to everyone else is not a good one.  I think Kass might have trouble finding people to work with next week.
Three Up:
Spencer (his new nickname should be the cockroach.  He will not die), Ciera (the episode framed the vote as being Ciera’s idea, even if I think it was Abi’s.  But that framing tells us something about Ciera who has been invisible thus far.  Namely don’t piss her off, she means business), Jeremy (every week I think he can’t do better, and he does.  His edit is amazing guys.), Abi’s power of revenge.
Three Down:
Stephen (he is trying so damn hard and I just don’t think he has the social capital to control this game, but on the other hand his edit suggests he is a player, but probably not a winner), original Ta Keo (Monica is the only original Bayon we have lost.  Of original Ta Keo we are left with Abi, Kelly, Spencer, and Kelley), Savage’s confidence.
Savage Corner: Savage betrayed!  Rouse the guard!  Savage is in serious trouble!  On the other hand, the challenge I think showed that his bond with Jeremy is alive and well.  So maybe the impending merge saves him and gets him back to the people he can actually trust.
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Favorite seasons: Micronesia, Heroes vs. Villains, Palau, Philippines, Pearl Islands, Cagayan
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  • Purple Rock Emma

    WEST COAST IN THE HOUSE!!!!

    [West coast quickly leaves the hour for the next four hours.]

    • Sylvisual

      Tape delay in the house!!!

      [Has actually been in the neighborhood for hours but was waiting for everyone to leave so he could bust open a window to get in.]

  • Kemper Boyd

    Woop Woop, clocks went back in the UK so it’s only midnight, I can stay up and watch live for once!

    • andythesaint

      Clocks went back already?!? You guys must be in the future.

      • Kemper Boyd

        yeah last Sunday, makes the times difference manageable for watching Survivor live until you guys do yours, when is that again? Although this was way fun so maybe I’ll just always go to bed at 2am on Wednesdays from now on.

        • andythesaint

          This upcoming Sunday morning at 2:00 am for us.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Booooo, a one week reprieve from a super tired Thursday at work.

          • Violina23

            I remember when I used to love setting the clock back for an “extra hour of sleep”. Then I had kids. F%@# daylight savings time!!!

          • andythesaint

            It’s THE WORST!!! Kids have no chill when it comes to the time change.

          • Violina23

            Anyone else awake at 5AM trying to do hostage negotiations with a toddler? I was desperate and threatened to not let her have any Halloween Candy…

    • Reya

      Ha, I watched at about 3am once I’d finally finished blogging last week. Is it normally 1am to watch live then?

      • Kemper Boyd

        Yeah, there is usually a 5 hour difference between NY and London but currently it’s 4.

        • I’m sure I used to know this stuff (probably round about the time I used to take a break in the middle of my essay all-nighters at Uni to download and watch the new episode of Lost in the middle of the night).

  • Saturday Evening Palsy

    The Spurs opening game is pre-empting Survivor tonight. I won’t see it until tomorrow. I worry about Jeremy but I rest assured knowing that Keith will win this season. At eight-o-clock tonight I will go out in my backyard and spit in honor of the unseen game that he has played tonight. Go Spurs!

    Also I will finish Toncantins. Tyson is the best.

    • Reya

      Wait, there’s an American Spurs?

      • sharculese

        basketball. which just started, or so I am told by people who watch such things.

      • purplerockpodcast

        There are other sports besides football, you know. Damn Britons and your single-minded footy focus!

        • Reya

          Yes, there is also rugby. It’s like American football, but without all that wussy padding 😉

  • Scarlett3639

    That music cue when Joe oiled up!

    • Barbara Anderson

      That unnecessary captioning.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Tasha’s face!

        • Ms_Woozah

          May or may not have been a reflection of my face…

          • Kemper Boyd

            If I’m honest Jeremy was a better specimen. He’s built really nicely. Kudos also to Wentworth, Wigles (keeping it tight) and Woo.

          • Ms_Woozah

            No arguments there. Val is a lucky, lucky gal.

          • purplerockpodcast

            I could add one more name to that list, but I would be burned at the stake (rightly), so I’ll just hint at it and allow myself plausible deniability.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Is it Kimmi? I gotta be honest the worst body out there is Keith and for a man of his age he ain’t too shabby…

          • purplerockpodcast

            It’s not Kimmi.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I was mainly making a joke but I don’t think she’s too shabby for a lady of her age…

  • Kemper Boyd

    Savage said he’s safe. IS HE GOING?

  • Kemper Boyd

    My gag reflex is so strong I heave just watching

    • Scarlett3639

      Ditto

      • Kemper Boyd

        I can’t eat fatty meat, I’d suck at this challenge

        • Scarlett3639

          Me too. And balut is the worst. I can’t imagine the feathers.

          • Reya

            I find it harder to be so grossed out by the balut having seen the Amazing Race challenge where they had to eat like 6 of them or something. Now I’m all “ONE measly balut? Toughen up!”

          • andythesaint

            Tom had to eat at least that many, if not more, in Palau against Bobby Jon.

          • Reya

            Wikipedia says four rounds, each increasing the numbers of balut, but there were only two competitors from each tribe. So I guess 2+4+5 (tiebreaker) balut means Tom and Bobby Jon had to down 11.

    • Barbara Anderson

      I could handle the insects…I think

      • Kemper Boyd

        Texture is my downfall so anything remotely slimy and I’m vomiting.

        • purplerockpodcast

          At least the insects were probably crunchy? And the frog definitely was. I mean, at least that thing was fried.

          • Dr.Horrible

            The frog being deep fried made it seem like the most palatable item on the menu by far.

          • andythesaint

            I could go for some deep fried frog for lunch today.

          • gouis

            Yeah that would be great. Too bad the frog they got looked like it was in the fryer for about 45 minutes.

          • Dr.Horrible
          • Kemper Boyd

            The insides man, the insides!

          • purplerockpodcast

            Right, but I’m of a similar mind about texture being a big issue. So at least if there was crunch to the bugs, I could focus on that over the gooey insides. With pig snout and brains, I probably couldn’t get past the rubbery thing.

            I can’t even imagine the texture of balut. Crunchy on the outside, semi-solid on the inside? I really shouldn’t spend too much more time thinking about this. It’s unpleasant.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Wrong place comment. Yeah the Balut, yuck no thanks.

          • purplerockpodcast

            It is not Kimmi.

    • Violina23

      I started playing candy-crush during the immunity challenge and listened to my husband’s reactions. He referred to Kelly Wigglesworth as “K-Wiggles”, btw.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I turned the sound of and watched, really helped.

        • purplerockpodcast

          My wife insisted that I turn the volume down, because she didn’t want to hear any gagging or the crunching of bugs.

  • Barbara Anderson

    Who hasn’t went to Tribal yet? Keith…

    • Kemper Boyd

      and Joe

      • Barbara Anderson

        Wow. That’s lower than what I thought, but I guess Bayon going to tribal last week helped cut that number down.

      • Barbara Anderson

        I was doing some Survivor wiki research and if this next cycle is a three day cycle, Joe and Keith will join the original Tandangs for longest time to avoid Tribal Council.

        • Purplerockmatt

          That is actually pretty interesting

          • Barbara Anderson

            Thank you. But, we all know the less Keith attends Tribal, the better for everybody else. #sticktotheplan

        • sharculese

          Well, that settles it. Next week Joe is going home for calling Keith a moron and an idiot.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Oh my gosh, will Keith be Stephen’s JT? Please say yes, please say yes.

  • Kemper Boyd

    I have zero idea what I think Kass should do.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Abi did say if you fuck with her you are dead and there is now only Wigles left!

  • Scarlett3639

    That shot of Wigglesworth sitting off by herself was like a pictorial metaphor for how she is playing the game this season.

    • theskyis

      It’s a clue. The best possible outcome is for Kelly to lose by one vote again

      • purplerockpodcast

        I think she’d lose by far more than one vote.

        • Dutch

          It’s a shame Sue Hawk doesn’t get a second chance at burning Kelly. I’m pretty sure they have more animosity than Kass and Spencer.

  • sharculese

    You guys the was crazy in all the best ways.

    Favorite mini-moment: as Jeff is talking about tribe unity, Joe starts grinning and sliding his buff down his arm.

    • Barbara Anderson

      Joe has proven to be a superfan. Although it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why Probst would be asking about tribe unity before a challenge.

      • Kemper Boyd

        But would Dave from Amazon have figured it out? or John Fincher?

        • Barbara Anderson

          Well, not those rocket scientists….but maybe others

          • Kemper Boyd

            J’tia? technically a Nuclear Engineer not rocket scientist though…

          • Barbara Anderson

            Probably not.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Great pre-merge episode, didn’t telegraph the winning tribe so the immunity challenge was genuinely tense. Kass was amazing, I want her to win so badly, she won’t now but I’ll be cheering every move she makes. I think undermining Savage’s numbers wasn’t bad, Spencer remains a free agent post merge and he’s got some level of trust in her compared to before. Plus good on Ciera for saying “hell no Savage, I won’t just so as you say”.

      • sharculese

        I can’t believe we’re getting an episode where Ciera is the hands down MVP.

        • Barbara Anderson

          Well, besides her performance in the immunity challenge. Why did she go twice for them?

          • sharculese

            Maybe they prioritized people who had done gross food before, regardless of how they actually fared when they did it?

          • Kemper Boyd

            Seemed insane they put up Kass and Ciera for the last two.

          • Purplerockmatt

            probably had more rounds we didn’t see. that happens a lot

          • Kemper Boyd

            really in gross food?

          • Purplerockmatt

            I mean honestly why would they send back Ciera to do a second eat, when others were there. She and Kass struggled more than anyone

          • Barbara Anderson

            I was wanting them to do a sudden death old-school where they were send the “weakest eaters” to eat the last thing-ie Kass/Ciera vs. Kimmi.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Yeah that would make more sense than what we saw

          • Barbara Anderson

            But then Ta Keo would win because Kimmi wouldn’t eat the duck embryo.

          • Purplerockmatt

            truth

          • Kemper Boyd

            Very very good point.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Although I like that theory, Savage had done gross food and only had to go up once (that I remember).

          • sharculese

            He didn’t have to eat whole bugs, though. It was seafood slurry.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Yeah…It just felt weird that Bayon only had Kimmi while Ta Keo had Savage, Ciera, and Wigles with that challenge experience. For a challenge that has been run 14 times, that shows how many of these contestants have never experienced it (aka: it was done mainly in the old school era and these contestants are mostly new schoolers).

          • sharculese

            Although, interestingly enough, last 3 people out have all done it.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Hmm…maybe they should have done it earlier?

          • Other Scott

            Everyone probably went twice and things got cut.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I dunno, Kass though? It’s super close and I’m not surprised at all. Ciera has some stuff more stuff than WIglesworth or Woo.

        • Ms_Woozah

          Suck it, John! (Although I agree with Matt that Abi was probably a much bigger influence on the vote than the episode is willing to show us)

          • Purplerockmatt

            I am trying to decide why the show wouldn’t show us Abi tonight, and there might be a very positive reason for Ciera. She is the one that doesn’t get burned by Abi

          • Ms_Woozah
          • Purplerockmatt

            I mean I think the Abi stuff was obvious.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Eliza has no chill.

          • VoicOff

            She is also right

          • Purple Rock Emma

            This time, sure. My comment was more the culmination of years of observation. No chill.

          • VoicOff

            I wasn’t being aggressive ( i think)
            My sentiment is that Elsa having no chill is precisly what makes her so entertaining.

          • purplerockpodcast

            I realize it was a typo, but I can’t resist making the joke that if anyone has chill, it’s Elsa. (Ok, I’ll let it go now.)

          • Dr.Horrible

            I see what you did there.

          • purplerockpodcast

            So Ciera is going to be the one who plays with fire and doesn’t get burned? Is she the mother of dragons?

          • Other Scott

            The show probably correctly assumes the viewers are getting a bit of Abi fatigue, and this episode wouldn’t have been nearly as well received if it was framed as Abi burning Woo.

      • Purplerockmatt

        I think this move is really bad for Kass honestly (probably good for everyone else there though). In my eyes, Kass has the one job pre-merge of pitching herself as loyal and predictable and she betrays that on her first vote. It is going to be hard for her to get people to work with her

        • Kemper Boyd

          I’m not sure, if you aren’t expecting a merge weakening Savage’s numbers isn’t bad. Remember she has her Ta Keo 5 to get back to and they won’t mind this move at all. I think if she’d got rid of Savage then she’s undermined herself with original Bayon but Woo was original Ta Keo and not one of her core alliance.

          • Purplerockmatt

            It is like a mafia hit though, you have to kill all witnesses and if you don’t what happened is still out there. If they don’t get rid of Savage pre-merge I think she has a reputation

          • Kemper Boyd

            If she can take Spencer and Abi (god such a bad idea she doesn’t know is a terrible idea yet) to the Ta Keo 5 that’s 7, fuck knows what Wigles is doing, but if they can be 7 strong and take out Jeremy or Savage or Tasha then that’s a good move.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I still think the best thing to do pre-merge is to keep as many possible alliances alive as possible. I think going against Ciera and Abi here preserves more potential alliances in the future

          • Kemper Boyd

            except Ciera is her key ally and part of her core 5, does she want to piss of her closest ally?

          • Purplerockmatt

            When did we learn Ciera is her ‘key” ally? Genuinely curious here. And frankly part of drawing the lines is either convincing Ciera not to do her plan, or who will be more likely to work with you in the future (and Savage is the unforgiving sort which is a major flaw in the game)

          • Kemper Boyd

            She talked twice about having played with Ciera since day one and being at Ta Keo with her really strengthening that bond.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Ok liveblogging makes me miss some stuff. Thanks for that

          • Kemper Boyd

            That’s ok. I’m going to bed now as it’s 1.30am. I’ll be back in about 8 hours when I get bored at work and wanna respond to all of you even though you are all asleep.

          • Roswulf

            I think you are neglecting the reputational game. “Chaos Kass” gets you screen time, but it’s not something people are going to want to keep around. Kass could have quietly voted with the Ciera/Abi group- but at least based on what we saw, she was playing up the drama of it- in tribal as well as confessionals. Kass likes being perceived as a swing vote and that’s not someone you can rely on.

            I think Kass went from very plausible winner to long shot in this episode. But on the other hand…this guarantees she will burn out spectacularly.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I agree with you on Kass as plausible winner but she’s at the bottom of the original Bayon alliance (8th or 9th) and Savage wanted at least Woo to jump her in that pecking order. I can see the logic behind this move, the only person she has spurned is Savage and I’m not sure Savage has as much power over the original Bayon alliance as he thinks. The only Bayon except Savage who should care about this is Tasha. Now do I think this move should automatically put the target on Kass? No. Do I think Kass can play this off in a way that doesn’t put the target on her? Not at all and that’s the problem.

          • Reya

            In her favour, the storyline this season has been all about personal growth and fixing your mistakes from your first time playing. If Kass and Spencer’s feud can be said to be a mistake from their past game then they’re both still right on-message.

          • Other Scott

            I think she might have been playing up the drama of it so she could shoot it down with her vote as a way to prove she can look past her personal vendettas and stick with her alliance.

          • Roswulf

            But this wasn’t a “will I stick with my alliance?” choice. She had two possible alliances, both targeting outsiders. Playing it this way rubs salt in Savage’s wound unnecesarily (and by extension alienates Savage’s allies on the other side, certainly Tasha, possibly others like Jeremy and Kimmy who want to work with an Savage-Shaped Alpha shield).

            Which confirms that Kass still loves salt and doing the unexpected, which is bad for her bank account but good for us.

          • Reya

            There are nine Bayons still in the game. Adding Woo into the mix makes ten. That’s too many for an effective alliance. If you’re not pretty sure you’re at the top of Bayon, it makes sense to be looking for other options as well, and that means keeping around enough people on the outs who are willing to work with you.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I think Woo knocked Kass and Ciera down to 9 and 10 in that alliance so it wasn’t worth them keeping him.

          • Other Scott

            But have we ever had any suggestion that Kass is aligned with Savage outside of the “Bayon love tribe?” Her important alliance right now is Ciera, Joe, Keith, Kelley and her, and burning Ciera and really, that whole potential alliance, so she can get on the bottom of a Savage alliance makes no sense to me.

            Savage’s only real ally right now is Tasha. Everyone else is in a tighter alliance formed by the 3 tribe system. Kass is burning far more people by turning on Ciera who she had a tight alliance with, than turning on Savage who she did not.

          • Roswulf

            The Bayon Love Tribe is an alliance- we’ve seen that from how the Kimmy/Stephen/Jeremy group talk. Playing up the drama of flipping on an alliance- any alliance- is a foolish move if you have Kass’ reputation for disruption.

          • Other Scott

            I disagree that it’s a real alliance, and even if it is it’s not one that Kass would be in the top 7 or 8 in compared to her top 5 group. We’ll see in the coming weeks I guess.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I don’t think it matters real or not: real: then she’s probably 9 or 10 as Woo has leapfrogged her. Not real: well it doesn’t exist so going against Savage isn’t the end of the world to a not real alliance.

        • Barbara Anderson

          Based on that preview, I think Kass is our merge boot.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Solid chance. But you never know.

          • Barbara Anderson

            That preview felt like Kass was taking on the Sarah role during the Cagayan merge which she can be the swing boot between all of these different entities and they team up and take her out.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I dunno “the line has been drawn” could refer to anything.

          • Barbara Anderson

            I know they (Tasha?) said that, but that confessional of her saying no one can stand in the way of my second chance is so flipping glaring.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Again because it’s Kass, a character who just had a big episode and is known for the drama it might not be. Let me hold on to this hope.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Never! JK. It could be Savage.

        • gouis

          Matt thinks someone making a move that hurts Savage is a bad move? Color me shocked.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Uh I love Kass more than almost anyone in this cast. This is a bad move for Kass. But thanks for assuming my bias colors my commentary!

          • gouis

            Sorry dude, I can’t not think your commentary is biased when it comes to Savage, and you should know that. I thought you would take the poking in jest, but I guess not.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I guess I didn’t see the joke in what you said. Sorry for overreacting. I think I’ve been pretty good about the Savage joking here.

          • purplerockpodcast

            I will never disparage your rampant bias. It’s the most enjoyable way to watch Survivor.

            Although I do think it’s funny that because of our over-the-top love of certain players, people think we can’t be objective even when we are.

          • Kemper Boyd

            All the commenters have bias we just don’t write about it on a blog. As you know I tend to be defensive about female players because they get such a bad rub with editing and the fandom often dismisses them if there is a man they can fawn over. I dislike Spencer A LOT, which makes it funny I thought keeping him was better than keeping Woo. I am the anti-Matt in that I really really dislike Savage.

          • purplerockpodcast

            I tend to embrace nerds, women, and minorities on this show- just like in real life! And even though I like Savage, I can totally understand what people don’t like about him (similarly, I can see why Shirin rubs people the wrong way even though I love her).

          • Kemper Boyd

            With Savage it’s something I’ve become more intolerant to as I’ve become grown into being a grown ass woman and that is the paternalistic, big alpha man knows best routine. As I told you after your interview with him I found the way he spoke about how he would have dealt with Shirin’s treatment by Will really rubbed me the wrong way, not how he’s have dealt with it but why it wasn’t ok. Seemed very sexist to me.

          • gouis

            Yeah it’s also something that’s bothered me more as I’ve gotten older, and talked to women about how much of a problem it is in real life. I’m a nerd but I can navigate that paternalistic world if I need to, so it’s rarely been turned against me. I think it’s one of those things though that you don’t realize is such an issue until you experience it yourself. It’s the secret sexism that’s rampant in society.

          • Purplerockmatt

            the funny thing about paternalistic Savage is that he hasn’t actively targeted a woman yet this game has he? Peih Gee would be the closest, but that vote was driven by Tasha right? Everybody he has had a problem with this season have been the men (and generally the show has depicted him saying that they are a threat like Stephen and Spencer). Now it is the traditionally weaker men (even though I don’t think that applies to Spencer), but I think the interesting thing about Savage (as compared to say Terry) is that both are definitely interested in the whole alpha alliance stuff, but Terry tends to equate femininity with weakness, and Savage has targeted men for being weak. In other words, Savage’s definition of weak is not the traditional Survivor Alpha definition of weak, which has been women. And that is interesting! You might find it equally demeaning, but I think that difference says more than you give it credit for, because while I may agree that Savage is alpha strong, and condescending, I will strongly disagree on the sexist thing.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Well not really Savage’s paternalism does look at women as being weaker. He likes Tasha because she’s an alpha. He talked about wanting to play with Tasha then Keith, Joe and Jeremy. He only kept women because he didn’t have the opportunity to go at the bottom of the Bayon tribe and he and Tasha needed Abi to survive. His brain went straight to Ciera as his decoy as well, not Kelly who isn’t in his alliance.

          • Purplerockmatt

            let look at how two alphas treat women they are allied with closely:
            Savage regards Tasha and he (last episode) as being super close, and she being like a sister. He is admiring of her strength and her savvy.
            Terry says this about Wigles “Wigles is good at challenges for a female”

            Moreover, listen to how Savage talked about Kass (someone most would perceive as “weaker” than Ciera) tonight at tribal. I have seen no evidence of that kass, i trust kass, etc. And the core alliance of Savage’s being Joe, Jeremy, Tasha (remember Keith wasn’t in that initial group), that was Jeremy’s alliance. Savage obviously bought into it no question, but that was an alliance of Jeremy’s creation and yet I don’t hear you calling out Jeremy for this. And I think the important thing to note when saying who created the alliance is we don’t know that that alliance is Savage’s full pecking order, because he sure as hell seemed to consider Abi (again traditionally considered “weak”) as part of his core alliance. I just think you are applying a broad brush that doesn’t manifest itself broadly. People who I think are actually sexist (like Terry) manifest this behavior with all the women they come into contact with.

            Basically I think you are as complicit of letting your bias against him color your thinking as I am in letting my bias for him color mine.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Oh dude, I don’t like Dietz more, way more, than I don’t like Savage; I dislike that Savage’s issues are part of what they use to frame him as a good guy but Dietz’ stuff is sort of just the bad side of “challenge beast Terry”. I don’t think Savage is sexist but I think he comes from a place of extreme privilege that has completely coloured his view of the game (probably the world) and himself.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Also it is weird, because I don’t know why I feel like I have to keep engaging this point with you when I think we agree about 95% of things, and generally have similar outlooks on who Survivor serves well and who it underserves. We disagree on Savage pretty wildly, but I also think we have comes to terms with that disagreement. And I love talking about Survivor with you! I just hate talking about Savage with you because I feel like we are looking at a pane of glass from two sides only my side is white and your side is black, but we talk about it as if it is the same pane of glass. And that is my introspective Stephen moment

          • Kemper Boyd

            This is an amazing explanation. Bias is bias, my first real thoughts on Savage came after your interview with him then when I rewatched Pearl Islands. So my bias is a negative one, your bias is positive, probably formed on the first watch of Pearl Islands when you were a much younger man. Had I watched Savage 10 years ago I think I’d have been more inclined to like him too.

          • Purplerockmatt

            actually I watched Pearl Islands when I got back into Survivor just a few years ago, but it was one of the seasons I first went back and watched, so I had only seen maybe 5 seasons before it. That said, I think my Savage love is formed on two bases: 1) I think the Outcasts twist was unfair and I think the way he went out sucked. Also everyone he didn’t like on Pearl Islands… I also didn’t like. I didn’t like Skinny Ryan, I didn’t like Lil, I didn’t like Fairplay. 2) I think I like seeing when different styles of gameplay do well, rather than only one type of gameplay succeed. So I like when a nerdy strategist like Cochran can harness that and win, but I also like when a challenge alpha like Tom can win. When I watched Pearl islands, I had only seen the challenge alphas fail, and the ones I saw that did go farther (like Ozzy) were total douches. Savage was basically my proto Tom Westman, and had I watched Palau before Pearl Islands, I will be the first to admit that I probably would have seen Savage as simply being not as good as Tom. But watching Pearl first, i saw Tom as the much better at Survivor Savage. Which of course colors things.

            Oh and honestly, I think he is a good guy in real life and I would get along with him. Which might be something we actually do disagree about. But well an articulate lawyer is something that I do have a little experience with in my daily life.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I agree with you on not liking Lil or Fairplay. I think Savage is worse than Tom Westman but also he’s in a bad situation, I’m not sure either had it in them to be able to turn that sort of situation around but I’m not sure Savage could have dominated Ian like Tom did.
            My issue with a guy like Savage is that I’ve met plenty of them, they are basically good guys but they have a view of women and those weaker than them as needing their help and trust me when I say professionally as a young woman you don’t need someone who looks at you through the lens of needing them to protect you. What I see in him is a societal attitude I dislike and it’s like the dude who says “I’m a feminist because I have daughters”, like they didn’t really believe women were equal until they had a female child and realised they didn’t want people treating them the way they’ve seen people treat women. It’s really hard to explain if you’ve not experienced it.

            I also think Savage is probably a decent guy but he’s also not great at Survivor.

          • Purplerockmatt

            In my current job I talk to my female coworkers a lot about all the little things they deal with (as well as the big ones). And the behaviors I see, where people are not acting out of malice say, but a general assumption that women are less, I’m not sure if I would assign them to him, but maybe! I mean i don’t know is my point and i don’t think survivor is an accurate place to judge that, but my impression watching is that he is genuine where many like him are not.

            And i have never argued he is great at Survivor, haha. I think I have been pretty clear about that.

          • gouis

            I mean even your profile on this very page says you’re the president of the Savage fanclub! Embrace your bias!

          • Purplerockmatt

            You know rather than the reasons I provide for thinking what I think.

        • Prom King

          This is only a bad move if everyone was playing like Savage. But people who play like Savage are in the minority this season. Yay!

          • Kemper Boyd

            Great point, also I just don’t see how Spencer is a great move for Kass anyway; it’s a status quo move, she’d still be bottom of the Bayon alliance, possibly knocked down a spot by Woo, she’d still have her Ta Kao 5 but that’s not ok against Bayon + Woo, Abi and Wigles. This way her Ta Kao 5 has a better chance at Abi (for taking out Woo) and Spencer is more likely to play ball with them than Woo would have (Spencer had some relationship with Wentworth at original Ta Kao).

          • purplerockpodcast

            But it does work to Kass’ advantage to not have any large groups that are too tight. If you want to play the swing vote/free agent game, you’ve got to make sure that the tight alliances stay as small as possible so they’ll always need your vote.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I agree but I’m not positive she was playing the swing vote for more than that one vote. She spoke about being strong with Ciera, if her plan is the Ta Kao 5 of her, Ciera, Wentworth, Keith and Joe then Savage, Tasha and Woo rejoining Stephen, Jeremy and Kimmi (and you’ve got to think Wiglesworth) is too dangerous.

          • Roswulf

            This is a fair case for bouncing Woo. I don’t think Bayon is stable and tight enough to make this matter- Stephen’s jumpy, Kimmy wants to stir shit, the Alpha half of the alliance is inherently unstable.

            But the Angkor three of Savage-Tasha-Woo could have easily operated as a solid block for the rest of the game. Breaking that up is good for Kass.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I couldn’t agree more, I think Jeremy/Stephen/Kimmi can split if Jeremy is unmoveable on taking out Joe or Savage. But Savage/Woo/Tasha would have locked in no matter what because Woo and Savage can’t do their own thinking. Savage only wants to take out Spencer because Kass did his thinking for him.

          • Prom King

            You make some very good points.

        • purplerockpodcast

          There are two sides to this one: On the one hand, she reinforces her reputation as someone who isn’t a predictable and reliable ally. On the other, she might have been at the bottom of Bayon and known it, so she’s trying to move her way up by picking up people who will have to vote with her to stay in the game.

          But most importantly, if she had voted out Spencer we wouldn’t have gotten more of the Kass-Spencer dynamic that I wanted from this season.

          • sharculese

            I’m so over the Spencer-Kass stuff, but I love that their Survivor story now includes teaming up to get the guy who voted them both out.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I think seeing that Monica went over Kelly and Spencer told her that “Bayon strong” is nonsense and that the women aren’t high up that pecking order.

        • Reya

          It’s tough, because we don’t entirely know what the tribe dynamics were on old Bayon. If it was clear to Kass and Ciera that they weren’t in Savage’s endgame plans, then there’s not all that much to lose in going against him – /assuming/ that they feel assured in their alliance with Joe, Keith and Kelley. Kass is better off preserving her strong alliance with Ciera than going against her just to stay in Savage’s good graces.

          In a 13-person merge, there are going to be enough moving parts that SOMEONE will needs Kass’s vote.

        • Other Scott

          I don’t think Kass cares about the original Savage Bayon alliance though. I think she cares about the middle Ta Keo alliance. And being loyal to Ciera is way more important to her than being loyal to Savage.

          I think that’s why she framed it as “Chaos Kass votes out Spencer, Calm Kass sticks with Woo.”

    • Violina23

      Hahahaha, I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed that! Hilarious 🙂

  • sharculese

    Andrew Savage’s idea of playing Survivor hard involves lying to precisely one person.

    Edit: Although I did love Spencer’s ‘wait, you mean Savage was lying? To me?!?

    • Kemper Boyd

      There was also no need to lie, they supposedly had 7 or 8!

      • Prom King

        Savage tried to pull the same thing he pulled on Lil to Spencer. Never change, Savage! He builds his own downfalls.

      • sharculese

        I mean, this is always a good guess with Savage but… ego? He said it was going to be one of the “most devastating, unexpeced blidndsides in the history of Survivor,” which is kind of hyperbolic for describing clipping the one guy you have no ties to and who another member of your alliance happens to hate.

        Like, I think this may have been him thinking he was gonna prove not only that he could play modern Survivor but that he could do it better than these young punks. And it blew up in his face.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I think he fundamentally misunderstands “modern survivor” although I think he fundamentally misunderstood Pearl Islands Survivor too. Clipping Spencer wouldn’t have been a even medium blindside, even had Spencer not known. Clipping Kass by going to getting Abi, Woo, Spencer and Wigles on board with him would have been a huge blindside.
          I think in his mind he always thinks he’s better than these young punks, fullstop, I think Survivor is the one thing in his life that hasn’t gone exactly how he wanted it to.

      • Purplerockmatt

        probably fear of an idol. they had to suspect there were three floating around

        • sharculese

          I mean sure, but 1.) don’t go into idol panic because you think there might be idols and 2.) if you think there are idols, don’t do half measures; vote split. If you really think Spencer might have an idol, you can’t just tell him to vote for Ciera, you have to actually follow through and put just-in-case votes on Ciera. What Savage did had all the downsides of any plan that involves announcing to a player that they’re expendable without actually bringing into play the uses of an expendable player.

    • gouis

      “I get to keep my old alliance, and bring in my new sub-alliance that no one will challenge, and no one will mind and I get to do whatever I want”

    • Ms_Woozah

      “But I talked to him like a hu-man and everything!”

      • Purplerockmatt

        He really seemed hilariously incredulous

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I almost felt bad for Spencer. He got his feelings hurt, poor little guy.

      • sharculese

        No one warned him feelings could be bad!

        • purplerockpodcast

          This is why you should never have feelings!

    • purplerockpodcast

      To be fair, the fact that Savage has a reputation for not being a great liar is probably why Spencer was so convinced Savage was on board.

      • itsafuckingSTICK

        Maybe Spencer’s OS doesn’t allow for multitasking, and so he can’t run his Empathy software at the same time as his Critical Thinking programs?

  • Kemper Boyd

    Congratulations Matt, you must be so relieved. It felt pretty obvious if Ta Kao went Savage wasn’t getting his way. Why in all things holy didn’t he say “guys, tell Spencer it’s Wiglesworth tonight” instead of one of his own?

    • Barbara Anderson

      I thought you may have been worried based on the sheer amount of confessionals he got.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Yeah but it didn’t seem insanely uneven pre-challenge result.

    • sharculese

      Because he’s unbelievably arrogant regarding his ability to tell people what to do and have them do it?

      • Kemper Boyd

        This is why those of us not Matt (or the contrarian podcasters) dislike him.

        • Purplerockmatt

          No I disliked that too and noted it. But I also don’t believe that that vote was driven by Ciera

          • Kemper Boyd

            I think Abi pushed and Ciera jumped on it.

          • Purplerockmatt

            yup exactly. But I think the real error Savage made wasn’t naming Ciera, but probably neglecting Abi and assuming he had her.

          • Kemper Boyd

            As always with Abi.

          • Purplerockmatt

            of course naming Ciera was also quite stupid because Kelly was right there and wouldn’t get mad because she doesn’t notice anything at all

          • andythesaint

            Disagree. The move for it to not be Spencer was Ciera’s. The target being Woo instead of Savage was Abi’s.

          • Kemper Boyd

            That’s what I meant. Ciera was pissed about being the fake out target (rightly, tells her where Savage thinks she is on the pecking order) and when she went to Kass and Abi, Abi said it has to be Woo. That’s what I imagine happened.

          • sharculese

            I think the deciding factor was probably that it was what Abi wanted, but one wrinkle that just occurred to me – Ciera’s close enough with Wentworth that it wouldn’t shock me if she knew that Woo was a burned bridge for Spencer in a way that Savage wasn’t.

          • Dr.Horrible

            Ciera drove the uprising, but it was Abi’s desire to take out Woo that made it an easy choice of who to target.

      • Barbara Anderson

        He’s still playing his Pearl Islands game on a tribe that had three modern publicly recognized strategic threats in Spencer, Kass, and Ciera. That vote was not going to end well for him.
        NOTE: I am calling Kass a strategic threat because of the way she can turn over votes.

    • Other Scott

      Because he’s not very good at Survivor.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I fully agree. If next week we get a confessional where he says “I have no idea whey they did that” or something similar then he’s not “not very good” at Survivor he is actively bad at it.

  • Barbara Anderson

    Stephen notched a couple of achievements tonight. He wasn’t the first runner-up booted and he’s the last “middle-school” era player left. Good job!

  • Violina23

    Hurrah, I don’t have a rehearsal tonight so I can actually comment in pseudo real-time! (Sorry, @purplerockemma:disqus )

    So many awesome little moments:
    1) Joe taking off his buff before Probst even told them to drop it. With that grin on his face.
    2) Jeremy going back for that one extra bite of protein…
    3) Kass talking about Spencer’s 0% chance of winning the game
    4) Savage’s “don’t look at me!” shrug.

    Solid episode!

    I loved that Ciera actually recognized that being the “decoy” vote is not a good thing. Not sure if this decision will bite Kass in the ass (hahaha, I rhymed), but I love that they are setting her up to be all double-agent-y with him. Might not be a winning strategy, but I love it!

    P.S. Not only is Danny Strong Jonathan from Buffy, he’s also Doyle from Gilmore Girls. And for what it’s worth, those are two of my favorite TV shows for VERY different reasons.

    • Purplerockmatt

      And Danny Strong is a two time emmy winning writer!

      Savage’s shrug was awesome. that is why I love Savage if people were wondering

      • Purple Rock Emma

        I thought it was because he’s so handsome and is everything you want to be and more.

        • sharculese

          not gonna lie, at first I read this as “everything you want to be and never will,” and I was like, wow, really not holding anything back there..

          • Purplerockmatt

            probably accurate though. I know my limitations. model wife and perfect life are not things i ever really foresee for myself (and I’m totally cool with that)

    • Dr.Horrible

      Me, too, Violina23!

    • Ms_Woozah

      I’ll still never get over the fact that Jonathan from Buffy is a creator of Empire. What a world we live in.

      • andythesaint

        He’s a Superstar.

  • Barbara Anderson

    I’m glad that you pointed the Savage/Jeremy high five during the challenge. That should have been a major red flag to both of their tribes.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Is anyone else hoping for some kind of crazy Borneo level plurality vote after the merge? Like 5v4v3v1. It’d be quite exciting!

    • Purplerockmatt

      I always hope for that stuff, but I don’t think modern survivor has room for that

      • Kemper Boyd

        I’d love like too many “tell them the fake plan” plans out there that loads of people vote for the wrong fake plan!

        • Violina23

          That’d be awesome for the sole reason that Keith could yell out “STICK TO THE PLAN” and nobody would know what he’s talking about 🙂

        • itsafuckingSTICK

          “Stick to the plan!”

    • Barbara Anderson

      You do have three people from SJDS that were involved in the Drew Christy crazy tribal. Anything is possible.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        I know a lot of people don’t like SJDS, but man, what a beautiful episode that was.

        • Barbara Anderson

          It was the first inkling of how good Natalie was.

          • BenjaminNushmutt

            Without that episode Wentworth never gets a second chance, and we’re all worse off.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Indeed. Imagine how different that game would be if Wentworth hadn’t swapped to Coyopa with Jon and Missy.

        • Prom King

          Great season.

        • Reya

          I love SJDS, because I love Natalie’s game. I think I’ve watched the last sequence of episodes (Alec’s boot onwards) three times just to glory in it all over again.

    • gouis

      Wigglesworth is the 1, right?

      • Kemper Boyd

        Well Woo has gone home so obvs.

        • gouis

          “I finally realize I know where the votes are going”

        • Roswulf

          Come on, Woo is many things, but he’s not an independent vote. He’d be the two that gets blindsided.

          • Kemper Boyd

            No but he’s a loyal voter, could easily be given a fake plan and stick with it without thinking.

  • Ms_Woozah

    I’ll admit I’m a little confused by Stephen’s edit. We here are predisposed to sympathize with him over the nerd-trying-his-best thing, but I also feel like the producers don’t see it the same way. That we’re supposed to feel that he’s overstepping his bounds trying to take out the cool jocks. They’ve made him look like a doofus this whole time, yet they give him emotional confessionals. Really interested to see how the rest of his story plays out.

    • Reya

      I think he’s received a lot of investment from the editors. It’s probably not pointing to a win, but I do think we’re meant to root for him.

    • itsafuckingSTICK

      My guess is that he’s going to do well without winning, and so the editors are presenting him as someone to watch for anyone who loved Cochran or who would love to play the game but knows, deep in their heart of hearts, that they just aren’t cut out for life on the island.

  • Diego Armando
  • turgid_legume

    That was like the platonic ideal pre-merge episode of Survivor. So many funny lines, awesome challenges, Stephen had a moment, the vote went exactly as it should have and nothing of value was lost.

    • Dr.Horrible

      So you’re saying that there is no value in Woo blindside face?

      • turgid_legume

        The first five episodes were like the Costco of clueless Woo expressions. I stocked up on a trunk full of economy size, should be enough to last through the winter.

  • Ethan Kyle

    I tweeted that exact same peanuts GIF preseason to represent how I wanted Kass Spencer to end up

    • sharculese

      I kind of think an inverse of it would be more poetic.

      • VoicOff

        no

        • purplerockpodcast

          Charlie Brown can never kick the football. It would upend the entire dynamic!

    • Purplerockmatt

      I saw a version with Kass and Spencer’s faces preseason but coudn’t find it when I needed something quick. it is hard to find gifs quick when liveblogging!

  • Roswulf

    I am of course crushed that Woo went down so early (AND YOU WILL ALL BURN FOR FOLLOWING ABI! ALL OF YOU! Except Spencer is totally going to win the game)…but I’m glad that before we went we got Woo and Joe slip-and-sliding REALLY WELL together.

    • VoicOff

      Spencer is totally winning this thing, hisn’t it ?

      That boooooring

      Someone needs to make a gif of Woo sliding, his face was, once again, hilarious

      • Reya

        I’ve now spent like 5 episodes blogging about how Spencer has the best winner’s narrative, so I’m now spending every episode simultaneously convinced he isn’t going home, and waiting for the universe to trip me up.

        • VoicOff

          You are not the only one saying that, Several of us have complained about how prevalent the “Spencer 2.0 now with improved OS for a better user experience” narrative has been. And many people have speculate that given the theme /tone of the season the winner will be someone who changed his/her style of playing from last time because understanding your mistakes makes you better, yada yada…

          So that makes Spencer a contender, as well as Jeremy.
          Also Wentworth (?) and Tasha (?)

          Not winning ? Kimmi, Savages, Fishbach, and now Kass.

          • Dr.Horrible

            No chance for Fishbach? I don’t know about that…

          • Reya

            I’d argue that Kass’s feud with Spencer last time was a mistake, so showing the ability to rise above it this episode actually increases her chances, rather than decreasing them.

            Not many people have actually articulated what their mistakes were all that clearly. Stephen actually came very close this episode by explaining that his mistake was not getting rid of JT soon enough, which puts a lot of weight now in whether or not he’s able to take out Joe (I think probably not).

            Kimmi also talked about being older and wiser, and trying to be more patient. I’m not to sure that Tasha has actually fixed her mistakes – she seems in danger of recreating her Kass problems with Abi instead.

          • itsafuckingSTICK

            But did Kass reallllyyyy rise above her feud with Spencer? We got multiple confessionals where Spencer talked about doing his best to be civil with Kass, and just as many confessionals where Kass slavered at the thought of voting him out.

          • sharculese

            The impression I’ve consistently gotten from listening to the two of them post-Cagayan is that Kass is way more interested in continuing the feud than Spencer is, to the point it gets tedious to hear about. It’s all very junior high school in an incredibly offputting way.

          • itsafuckingSTICK

            It’s strange, too, because she does seem to have actually improved her social game with respect to every other castaway. She’s been kind, interested, and helpful–but as soon as Spencer shows up on her beach she’s just incapable of extending that newfound attitude towards him. Kass also seems smart enough that you’d expect her to be one of the players who treats Survivor as just a game and nothing personal, but when it comes to Spencer all bets are off.

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    • Other Scott

      I would be pretty shocked if Spencer won in a jury of anything but complete goats. He’s yet to get in any sort of alliance and keeps getting saved by people having other alliances to fry. He’s basically been a glorified Kelly Wiglesworth so far.

      • Roswulf

        We’ve gotten large swathes of the cast giving speeches about how they LOVE Spencer. I think he has lots of votes in play.

        More generally, nobody is winning this season based on their pre-merge gameplay. The winner will either be someone who makes good moves going forward, or someone sitting next to an entirely unpalatable (Abi) winner.

        • Other Scott

          True. I just haven’t seen Spencer do anything particularly right yet.

          • Reya

            He’s done just enough to give people reasons to vote off someone else over him the last three times he’s been to tribal council. When you’re on the bottom, sometimes that’s enough for now.

          • purplerockpodcast

            That’s the key. He doesn’t have to be in pole position right now. The only time he needs to be in that spot is in a final tribal council.

      • Reya

        I’ve been explaining why I think Spencer is the winner here if you’re interested: https://storyofsurvivor.wordpress.com/

        It’s focused on the narrative rather than the strategy, but if you look at the storytelling of the season so far he’s looking good.

  • Crappy

    I completely agree with Matt that this was a bad move for Kass, not because she did not vote out a bigger threat in Spencer, but because she seemed to be playing up her as being the swing vote. She clearly relishes that role in survivor and if she really wanted to change her play this time, she needed to be a loyal number. Only then she would get the benefit of being overlooked after a merge and could then make it to the end game and then make her move. As it is, even if she wanted to stay loyal with Ciera, I think she should have told her to shut this plan down and kept Bayon members strong on that tribe

    • Reya

      What if changing up her play meant reconciling with Spencer rather than allowing herself to be blinded by old feuds?

      • Purplerockmatt

        Spencer might perceive that as a change, but I am not sure everyone else would

  • Crappy

    I know I said the season could tank after Varner exit but this episode gave me hope. It was pretty fun and overall good episode. Kass regardless if the vote was good for her or not, was pretty good in her confessionals and general disdain for all things Spencer. Merge with 13 is going to be interesting, some players/characters will get lost in the crowd, so let’s see which arcs start, persist or finish.

  • Roswulf

    As shameless pandering to production goes, Jeremy’s bite of balut was top tier. I love his sense of showmanship.

  • Dutch

    Did anyone else think Kimmi intentionally dropped the chicken into the fire? It’s not like she has to worry about Alicia waving her finger in her face.

    • andythesaint

      Nah, the stick just burned off.

      It’d be funny though.

  • Streets_Ahead

    Balut is not the worst. Fafaru is the worst. Boston Rob will back this up. http://funny115.com/v1/11.htm