Survivor Cambodia Episode 8 Liveblog – “You Call, We’ll Haul”

It’s our eighth  week of live coverage of Survivor Cambodia.  Follow us on Twitter and Storify!

 

Wrap Thoughts and Three Up and Three Down:
Man Savage’s winner’s edit is out of control people!  He even gets Stephen out!  Wait what was that?  I blacked out for 5 minutes at the end there.  They didn’t split the vote?  What the hell people!  Isn’t Stephen mister split vote?!? Savage saved your ass and this is how you repay him Stephen?  Ok fine, obviously Stephen didn’t mean for this to happen, but the reason they didn’t split was to protect Stephen, and that opened the door for the idol to actually work when it really, really shouldn’t have.
Three Up:
Kelley fucking Wentworth!  Way to boss that idol girl!  Not sure why the alliance targeted her, but a lot of odd decisions tonight.
Three Down:
Stephen (he doesn’t go home, but I think the episode wasn’t particularly gracious to him, what with his failing to get out Joe), Savage (sniff)
Savage Corner: For the final Savage Corner I can’t even process guys.  I am smiling in amazement and distraught in equal measure.  And I love that this happened the day the guys convinced me to write that he is getting a winner’s edit!  I honestly thought he was having a pretty solid episode up until the boot too, so he wasn’t even on my radar, I thought this was Stephen all the way, or maybe Ciera if they split the vote.  Never thought he was going home while watching this episode.  Ah well.  There goes my distracting bias.
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  • Scarlett3639

    “Joe’s balls start to move.” Is Probst trolling us with the ball comments?

    • Saturday Evening Palsy

      The “pole” comments weren’t as effective.

    • Sylvisual

      Bonus transcript from base camp: “Man, that challenge was a hard on[e]. Good work, team.”

    • No way can Joe get voted out before we’ve objectified him in that mud-carrying challenge, right?

      • purplerockpodcast

        They already got him oiled up. At this point anything else is just a bonus.

        • Scarlett3639

          Photo shoot challenge? A massage reward filmed in slo-mo?

          • One of those rewards with an outdoor shower, surely? ‘Oops, we forgot the door…’

  • VoicOff

    Yep, Joe is DEFINITLY losing tonight.
    (Don’t buy that lotery ticket just yet )

    • Kemper Boyd

      You were saying? This was better than the inevitable Joe loses immunity and is voted out episode.

      • VoicOff

        I was reacting mid-episode, so that was posted at the moment Joe won (while the live-blogging was deducting from the edit that he would be out) and so that was very sarcastic.

        Wich is why i tell them not to buy a lottery ticket, since they can’t predict for sh*t.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I know! I was joking. Not about this being way better than the eventual Joe boot episode.

        • andythesaint

          To be fair: you don’t actually need to do much predicting with lottery tickets. You can just let the machine do the picking.

          It would have a similar success rate as us.

          • Other Scott

            I went back and looked at some of my comments from last season. I am literally the worst at predicting. Worse than all of Purple Rock combined.

  • gouis

    YESSSSSSSSSS

    • gouis

      GAHHHHHHHH

      • gouis

        !#$#^#%@#^#%#&$%^@#%!@#%$^

        • Ms_Woozah

          best thread

          • gouis

            Thanks! I would have kept it going but thought it was a little too gloat-y

          • Purplerockmatt

            haha it’s your moment! savor it!

  • gouis

    Seriously just high-fived my wife and marched around the living room with a whiskey in my hand.

    • purplerockpodcast

      You do you, boo. As sad as I was for Matt, I was equally happy for you, Kemper, VoicOff, etc.

      • Purplerockmatt

        quantity does not replace quality

        • gouis

          We’re both. No need to insult your readers.

          • Purplerockmatt

            haha no offense was meant.

          • purplerockpodcast

            Tongue was very much in cheek there. We were discussing this week during our staff predictions chat how much we like you guys.

          • gouis

            Just glad I don’t have to get exiled to /r/Survivor. Also, that place is going to be insufferable this week. They hate Savage for the wrong reasons.

          • Purplerockmatt

            We don’t exile people for disagreeing with us. We aren’t /r/Survivor

          • Kemper Boyd

            Otherwise I’d have been gone a while ago…
            Actually we agree on a lot that isn’t Savage.

          • purplerockpodcast

            The nice thing is that around here, even when we disagree with each other, we aren’t assholes about it. But yes, we do agree on a lot of things.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Yep, it’s a proper debate and there are things I’ve taken on board I’d never considered before, but none of those things are about Savage.

          • Purplerockmatt

            we might agree on everything that isn’t Savage, haha

          • VoicOff

            What, there is wrong reasons to hate Savage ? I am confused

          • Purplerockmatt

            I am very interested to hear what gouis considers to be the wrong reasons to hate Savage. Do they think he isn’t arrogant enough?

          • Barbara Anderson

            A lot of people on /r/Survivor seemingly hate Savage because he went after Stephen.

          • Purplerockmatt

            will they mourn him because he helped save Stephen tonight?

          • purplerockpodcast

            Yeah. Because if there is anything I’ve discovered on r/Survivor, it’s that people are very open to changing their opinions based on new evidence.

          • Ms_Woozah

            “Your ranking of this combined tribe name is higher than this objectively superior combined tribe name. Worst list ever.”

          • purplerockpodcast

            “Your season rankings are absurd and stupid!”
            *sees Rob Cesternino and RHAP had roughly similar rankings*
            “Yeah, but the real hardcore fans disagree!”

          • Purplerockmatt

            i love that rhap is considered casual by some people. people are weird

          • sharculese

            Your rankings are absurd only in that they drastically underrate China because Emma should have had a vote.

            Also you’re wrong about Gabon vs. Nicaragua but that’s a minor quibble.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I can’t remember Gabon enough to argue that point, but I definitely agree at giving me votes.

            By the way, I know Ciera didn’t go home either, but I’m counting this as a predictions victory anyway. Stephen is safe!

          • sharculese

            I don’t want you to have had a vote to fix where Gabon is ranked. I want you to have had a vote to fix where China is ranked.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I know! I just wanted to cover your whole comment and not just focus on the part about me.

          • purplerockpodcast

            I like China! It’s got one of my favorite casts ever. It actually tied with Borneo and Blood vs Water in our combined rankings.

            And are you saying Gabon is even worse than Nicaragua? Because we may be exploring that topic at some point.

          • Dr.Horrible

            Gabon and Fiji are both worse than Nicaragua. hashtagNOTEVENAQUESTION

          • Other Scott

            I think Fiji is worse than Nicaragua, but not by very much and that’s only because I actively hate most of what happens in Fiji.

          • sharculese

            That’s higher than I remember but I’m still going to complain!

            Also yes, I think Gabon is worse than Nicaragua. It’s a more irritating cast, and while the gameplay is terrible in Nicaragua, you at least have something like gameplay, which cannot always be said of Gabon.

            Put another way, Nicaragua left me feeling dull and numb. At points Gabon actively made me angry.

          • How is this debate happening without everyone agreeing universally that One World is the worst? The worst ever. Ever.

          • Dr.Horrible

            Except for Worlds Apart. The actual worst.

          • It’s like a Sophie’s Choice, only I want to kill both of them.

          • Dr.Horrible

            Best comment of the day.

          • purplerockpodcast

            But Kim, though!

          • But Colton, Courtney Moon breaking an arm in the very first challenge, Bill getting convinced to go to tribal council so he can be voted off for being black, all the bullying of Christine Cha, Tarzan’s skid marks, Alicia’s entire existence…

          • purplerockpodcast

            All valid points. And I’m always a sucker for a Kourtney Moon shout-out.

            Really, the only thing that puts that season above Redemption Island/South Pacific/Nicaragua for me is that Kim destroys petulant man-child Troy and has everyone convinced they’re in a final three with her.

          • andythesaint

            My consistent position is always this: I will always prefer getting to see one person be awesome at something than a bunch of people be mediocre or awful at it.

          • Kemper Boyd

            This is how I feel. Kim put in the single best first time performance. She has such control over the game that anyone who could have been good is only ok. I’d rather rewatch Kim’s victory than watch the clusterfuck of morons in Gabon or Nicaragua.
            I’ll also say I’d like to see Chelsea and Sabrina play again because they both seemed decent but Kim just Kim’d it.

          • Other Scott

            I think One World is underrated in the sense that I think it is not the worst. It’s not good, but it’s not the worst.

          • Is that like how Stephen is underrated as a challenge performer because he wasn’t actually out first this week?

          • Other Scott

            No, there are parts of One World I enjoy. There’s no part of Stephen’s challenge performance that you can call good.

            But hey, he beat Jeremy this week!

          • Barbara Anderson

            Is John going to watch Gabon for the first time?

          • Purplerockmatt

            me and john have discussed this for the break (both of us haven’t seen it)

          • purplerockpodcast

            It’s being discussed, yes.

          • sharculese

            Do it. I know I made Gabon sound awful, and it is, but it’s the only one you haven’t seen, right? Just bite the bullet.

            Also, as much as it’s worse than Nicaragua, it’s also more instruction. Nicaragua is really just ‘what if most of our cast was bad at Survivor,’ whereas Gabon is more like ‘what if most of our cast was fundamentally unfamiliar with what Survivor is.’

          • purplerockpodcast

            You make it sound so appealing!

            Oops. Stupid autocorrect. Appalling.

          • Other Scott

            I gave Emma a vote when I combined everyone’s rankings. China still came out 11th.

            (Then when I added my rankings because I like to be important too, it came out 13th. I’m not a China fan.)

          • sharculese

            Wait, Scott doesn’t like the season where the affable, athletic dude gets burned by a terrible twist? [kidding 😉 ]

          • Other Scott

            AaronReisberger4eva.

            Actually, Frosti was on that season and he probably fits that mold even better.

            Actually, I just don’t like the Fei Long tribe as much as most. I like Todd a lot as a character, think he’s massively overrated as a player. The rest I could really do without.

            I think my love for the affable, athletic dudes is just a reaction to the internet who is determined to dislike jock-types who don’t speak in an intelligent manner. Sometimes it’s warranted when those jock-types are douches, but often they aren’t.

          • Saturday Evening Palsy

            Friends, Redditors, Survivor fans, lend me your ears;
            I come to bury Savage tonight, not to praise him.
            The evil that men do lives after them;
            The good is oft interred with their tree trunks that they have pushed over;
            So let it be with Savage. The noble Stephen
            Hath told you Savage was ambitious:
            If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
            And grievously hath Savage answer’d it.
            Here, under leave of Stephen and the rest–
            For Stephen is an honourable Survivor;
            So are they all, all honourable Survivors–
            Come I to speak in Savage’s /r/Survivor funeral thread.

          • Barbara Anderson

            half-hearted snaps

          • Saturday Evening Palsy

            Stephen would have liked it.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Definitely. But would Savage like it?

          • Saturday Evening Palsy

            Only if he had recited it to Spencer.

          • VoicOff

            Ok, so those are the people Andy is ranting about in his podcast then. Mystery solved.

          • Purplerockmatt

            them and the RHAP community, and Eliza and…

          • sharculese

            Counterpoint: Eliza can do whatever she wants because Eliza is awesome.

          • Purplerockmatt

            can I like someone and also find them very obnoxious? because I like Eliza but good lord is she obnoxious

          • sharculese

            I’ll allow it.

          • purplerockpodcast

            Oh good, because I feel like there are a decent number of Survivors that I like that fall into that category.

          • purplerockpodcast

            There are others. There are a lot of them on Twitter, too. And they’re *very* vocal.

          • andythesaint

            For real. It’s not you all. A primary motivation for doing liveblogs was to carve out a corner of sanity in the Survivor community.

          • sharculese

            Can I just say: mission accomplished. The AV club has gotten less weird now that Shirin is gone, but still, this place is so much more chill.

          • purplerockpodcast

            Even r/Survivor got slightly more chill once Shirin was gone. She has some extremely vocal critics.

          • Barbara Anderson

            These are also the same people that started hating Tasha after Varner talked smack about her in his post-game interviews and doubled down after Kass’s round of interviews.

          • Kemper Boyd

            You and I Gouis are like Wentworth and Ciera. Ride or Die baby.

          • gouis

            Just like Ciera and Vin Diesel, I live my life 1/10th of a mile at a time.

          • purplerockpodcast

            As someone said on Twitter, I Ciera and Kelley as a pair is something I didn’t realize I needed in my life until it happened.

          • Kemper Boyd

            This is also how I felt about Kass and Ciera. I wanted a Kass, Ciera, Wentworth final 3.

          • purplerockpodcast

            Nah. Varner, Shirin, Kass. #TeamChallengeBeasts

          • Kemper Boyd

            Sorry this want appeared after Varner’s exit. My original perfect final 3 was Varner, Abi and Kass.

        • Diego Armando

          Welcome to the our club.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Gee thanks. This was the perfect way for him to go, underestimating a woman’s ability to have an idol. Idiots had enough people for a split too.

        • purplerockpodcast

          I really don’t know that I’d frame the events in quite that way. But I wholeheartedly agree about idiots not splitting votes.

          • Kemper Boyd

            The worst thing is why Kelley? If you aren’t spliting put them on Ciera because you KNOW she doesn’t have an idol. You saw just last tribal she doesn’t have an idol.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I was on the bus to work this morning watching. I air-punched. Lucky I didn’t get chucked off, too much emotion for a British bus.

  • Scarlett3639

    Kass and Savage alone at Ponderosa. I would watch a whole season of that.

    • Purplerockmatt

      God yes. This will be amazing

      • Saturday Evening Palsy

        I’ll bet they leave their spouses for each other.

        • Scarlett3639

          Sort of like an adulterous Boston Rob and Amber?

          • Barbara Anderson

            Or real life Keith and Whitney?

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Hey now, that’s uncalled for.

            Keith wasn’t adulterous.

          • Barbara Anderson

            I forgot that he wasn’t married. My bad.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I was mostly just making a joke, but it is true!

          • Barbara Anderson

            After I wrote that, I went back and realized that you were probably saying it in (mostly) jest.

    • VoicOff

      Slap-slap, kiss-kiss. Slap-slap-slap-slap-slap

      • Purplerockmatt

        Just like Cheers!

      • Saturday Evening Palsy

        Sounds like someone knew how to paddle after all.

    • Ms_Woozah

      I’ve been furiously refreshing YouTube waiting for the video. So excited.

    • Diego Armando

      I think Kass was interested in Savage in a sexual way.

      • Saturday Evening Palsy

        Yeah, if you mean that she wanted to rape him at final tribal council.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Uhhhhhhhhh.

          • Saturday Evening Palsy

            Yeah, in (sober) hindsight “screw” would have been a much better choice of words.

      • sharculese

        They were both the kind of day drunk you can only be when you know you don’t have responsibilities for a while.

        • Saturday Evening Palsy

          Responsibilities don’t stop you from that.

          • sharculese

            There’s day drinking, and then there’s the day drunk you get when you know there are no consequences.

          • Saturday Evening Palsy

            Sadly, there’s a third option.

    • Ms_Woozah

      Okay that was great. From enemies to frenemies. I don’t know how I feel about them bringing #hashtags to Ponderosa vids, but I did chuckle at #JuryHappyHour

      • Purplerockmatt

        I think Savage is like me watching my favorite sports teams. An hour or so after a loss I’m a miserable asshole and if you even do broach the topic with me I will fucking ruin you. But after that i’m back to normal, I just need to dwell in the loss a bit

    • sharculese

      My favorite part is actually at the beginning when Savage is still obviously punchdrunk but also ready to go into spin mode about how good you must have to be to take him out.

      • sharculese

        Also I wanna know what it says on Kass’s shirt in the “I had a crush on Savage” scene that they had to blur out.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          I haven’t watched it yet, but it’s probably just a brand.

          • sharculese

            Survivor is weird about that. I’ve always wondered if they’d not let me on the show because of my K Records tattoo, even thought it’s not qualitatively different from any of the players who have been allowed to rep sports teams with their hats.

            But I’m not sure about that. It’s something long, that’s only clearly text because there’s an ‘is’ they didn’t have room to obscure, so maybe it’s a brand but maybe it’s just something thought was wrong for the show.

          • andythesaint

            They need to clear the brands they show. So they got permission for Rob to wear his Red Sox hat. Other brands may say no or may not blend with Survivor’s brand. They also don’t want to give free advertising to small brands (like Steph’s pizza place).

          • sharculese

            Hrm. I wonder how they’d deal with me. Like theoretically, having the K Records logo out there does nothing because most people who watch Survivor don’t know what that is, but I guess I could also be like, ‘if my shirt is off, I’ll keep my buff on my left arm?”

  • gouis

    Abi’s burn was perfect. So glad she made it this far.

    • purplerockpodcast

      Who knew Abi had troll game?

      • Purplerockmatt

        uh… everybody?

        • VoicOff

          #sarcasm

          • Purplerockmatt

            look Savage just went home, i think i’m a little discombobulated.

        • purplerockpodcast

          But like *intentional* troll game.

  • gouis

    #FYAS

    • gouis

      #WinnersEdit

      • gouis

        #Wimpylittlenonleaders

    • purplerockpodcast

      Fuck yeah, Andrew Savage!

  • VoicOff

    Savage winner edit ? Savage winner edit ?

  • Sad Lil

    At least he made the jury!

    • purplerockpodcast

      I love you so much.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Are you an Abi fan for telling him?

      • Barbara Anderson

        An Abi/Lil alliance? Wouldn’t the name of it be “The Favorite Slayers”?

  • corndogshuffle

    That tribal council was BEAUTIFUL.

    Matt’s reasoning on Savage was definitely plausible. But I’m still gonna #WinnersEdit

  • Purplerockmatt

    Ok but seriously guys I welcome all the shit talking, but Andrew Savage just went home because he refused to target Stephen! This is what actually happened!

    • Barbara Anderson

      Yeah and who talked him out of it? Jeremy. Who could be a bitter juror about that? Savage.

      • Purplerockmatt

        I would be pretty surprised if he held that against Jeremy and not you know Abi, Ciera and Kelley…

        • Barbara Anderson

          Fair enough, especially since Troll Queen of Ponderosa Kass will be really happy with that idol play.

          • Purplerockmatt

            And now with Kass and Savage on the jury we have the middle finger jury!

          • Saturday Evening Palsy

            So does the order of their exits mean that they will they have to sit next to each other at every tribal council from here on out?

          • Purplerockmatt

            Yes!

          • Barbara Anderson

            Do they sit next each other or will Kass be in the front row, first seat, and Savage back row front seat? Also, I just realized something: the first two jurors are lawyers. That should be interesting to watch.

          • Barbara Anderson

            That will be so much fun. Maybe Savage will be like Rupert when he’s on the jury….wait, I don’t wait that.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I don’t know how I never thought of this before, but how amazing would it have been to see a Pearl Islands jury with Savage and Lil in the finals. Would his head have exploded at having to watch her get second place (and Fairplay third?) Like that would have been amazing to watch to see him get madder and madder as the two people he hates most keep surviving.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I’m more inclined the believe that Savage went home because he and his alliance didn’t consider it a possibility that Wentworth had an idol.

      • Purplerockmatt

        i mean they obviously didn’t, but again Savage isn’t the one deciding whether or not to split votes. If Savage had so much power, the target here is Ciera who he really dislikes, and not Wentworth. I think this episode just emphasized how Jeremy is THE power player in this alliance as he is keeping everything in line and operating how he wants it to. I think Savage’s power over the voting was actually pretty small as evidenced by the vote last week and this week not being for Ciera and as evidenced by his inability to convince Jeremy to go after Stephen

        • andythesaint

          Moving to Angkor and being separated from his group was a dynamic Savage was never really able to overcome. Which is all that surprising, frankly.

          • Roswulf

            I’m not so sure about that- I think Savage could have recovered until swap two sent him to Ta Keo. He did not have a chance to reconnect with the Jeremy core, as Tasha seemingly has. And without the other bros around, his Alpha Assholeness took over to permanently alienate Ciera and friends.

            Just like in Round One, Savage made it clear to the people on the bottom that he would never work with them, and held them in contempt. And so when they had power, he was the obvious target.

          • Other Scott

            It was definitely Swap 2 that killed Savage. And by that I mean when he shot himself in the foot by alienating Ciera and making himself a massive target to the minority alliance. He came out of Angkor just fine.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I think whatever damage Angkor did to his game was more the physical/emotional drain than any lasting alliance impact.

          • andythesaint

            I think time away from Jeremy let Stephen fill that void and create new opportunities within the Bayon group that Savage couldn’t manage. If it had been Savage staying with Jeremy, then Fishbach goes home tonight. Also, Savage’s problems at switch #2 largely came about because of his unwillingness to throw aside his Angkor buddies.

          • Purplerockmatt

            yep agreed

          • sharculese

            It only hit me this morning what this episode told us about the job Spencer’s done of insinuating to himself into that group. When Savage pitches the Joe plan to Jeremy, Spencer isn’t just there, he’s an active participant in the conversation. And there’s no logical reason for Spencer to be part of major strategic conversation, but that’s who Jeremy trusts to talk strategy with.

          • I was paying attention to that as well.

            I think a hugely underrated aspect of Spencer’s game as well, that we don’t really talk about because it’s not considered an important part of the guy we seem on screen, is that everyone LIKES Spencer.

            We’ve heard independently from Terry, Savage and Jeremy about what a great kid he is (was it Savage who went so far as to say if he had a son he’d want him to be like Spencer?). Kass was actually very nice about him in her exit interviews. Trish from Cagayan was on RHaP last week and she was talking about how close she is to him as well.

            However we might joke about him being a robot, it’s starting to look like Spencer is, genuinely, popular. And that’s probably a large part of what’s keeping him in the game – people are aware he’s a threat and that he should be voted out, but they like him at the same time, so they’re not too devastated when it doesn’t come off.

          • sharculese

            Tony practically had a crush on Spencer after Cagayan.

          • See!

            Whatever it is we see on screen, it really doesn’t seem to match up with how people perceive him in person. Should he make it to the final, I think he’d be in a really good spot. It’s possible to see both Kass and Savage voting for him already, depending on who he was up against.

            In fact, his floating position is almost a bonus, because he’s not going to be held as culpable for any blindsides.

          • sharculese

            I don’t think we even don’t see it. They showed Tony and Spencer hanging out together on Cagayan. He was repeatedly the person Tony went to when he wanted to freelance. and as you said, this season we’ve seen person after person go on about how great he is. It’s like what John and Andy discussed with him and challenges – the narrative of Spencer Bledsoe settled on how he’s this arrogant, awkward nerd, partially I think because he buys into that narrative, but I’m not sure how much it connects to what he’s actually doing.

          • It’s so weird. I wonder if in part it’s because Joey Amazing is filling that spot this season, but there definitely seems to be an element of everyone universally agreeing on who Spencer is and ignoring all evidence to the contrary, as you say.

        • Roswulf

          You know, we’ve gotten an awful lot of scenes of allies coming to Jeremy with big moves and him shutting them down. Not just Savage, but this appears to be Stephen’s primary activity when not fighting the tree gods. I’m actually very skeptical that Joe was really going home today even had he lost immunity- I think Jeremy would have pushed to keep the meat shield intact for one more vote.

          Anyways, the only one who has actually gotten Jeremy to make the move? Kimmy. She may be Purple Kimmi, but that’s because her hands are coated in Purple Monica blood Lady Macbeth style.

  • Dr.Horrible

    Tonight’s episode went exactly like my perfect dream version of the Savage boot episode.

    • VoicOff

      That Tribal Council felt like it was gift-wrapped with my name on it.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Yep, Oh Savage, were you blindsided because you underestimated a woman?

  • Saturday Evening Palsy

    I needed Keith to win that immunity which should be easy because he’s a natural. Nope! Joe wins it.

    I needed Wentworth to hold that idol. Thankfully she does. For a little while.

    I hate XL Pelican.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Oh god, he’s going to have so many points tomorrow. Whatever, I’m not even in that league and I got mine!

      • ExtraLargePelican

        You don’t have to be in my league to be suitably shamed by Team Pretty’s awesomeness.

        • purplerockpodcast

          You may as well start looking at cast bios for next season’s players, because your Champions League prospects are looking pretty good right now.

          • ExtraLargePelican

            There’s still a lot of game left. And jury votes (huge jury! 20 points if unanimous) can erase that 16-point lead within 5 minutes of television. Besides, I’m pretty confident that Joe is not going to remain in the game much longer. And there are still three rivals with both picks in the running. Not that I’m particularly worried about Violina, whose Angkor-tastic picks are more likely to win their own show on Bravo than win Survivor.
            I’m gonna wait for these chickens to hatch before counting them.

          • purplerockpodcast

            I just wouldn’t be surprised if Joe gets in another 2-3 wins before he finally falls. And he probably wins some rewards in there as well, plus a better than average chance of being on the right side of the vote.

          • sharculese

            I also wouldn’t be surprised if Survivor shuffles in a memory match challenge somewhere soon. Which, maybe Joe can win, they only did team memory match his season and his tribe threw it, but it opens the door for Stephen, Spencer, and Jeremy to snatch immunity up.

    • ExtraLargePelican

      *makes Keith’s heh heh heh sound*

  • Purplerockmatt

    Also Abi had some sick burns tonight. Not just her Savage kiss-off, but also her knocks on Stephen when he was complaining about not going on reward. Abi Maria troll queen is why I wanted her on this season.

    • Ms_Woozah

      Yeah this episode was the perfect amount of Abi

      • Purplerockmatt

        she is so obnoxious that she would drive me nuts in person, but on tv it is funny.

        • sharculese

          Abi pretty much won near total immunity from me to be a crazy person when she inadvertently revealed that Rob Cesternino can’t say ‘vagina.’

          • purplerockpodcast

            What?! More details, please.

          • sharculese

            In her road to second chances interview Abi brought up how she and Pete-Bro both get a lot of crotch pics sent to them, and in trying to respond to this Rob audibly struggled to say ‘vagina’ for about 20 seconds before settling on ‘unit.’

          • purplerockpodcast

            She and Pete-Bro get a lot of crotch pics sent to them? From fans? Or other Survivors? Or both?

          • sharculese

            From… fans I guess? You say that like the internet isn’t full of people who are willing to just be like “yeah, I’ll send this marginally famous person a photo of my junk.”

          • purplerockpodcast

            I would just respond to them with a rating from 1-10 every time. Maybe even throw in some constructive criticism.

          • andythesaint

            Sounds like it happens to most Survivors these days. The difference is only in volume. Max was telling us that he gets a few, but Joaquin gets a LOT.

    • Diego Armando

      She was actually intentionally funny.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Early style in charge of the vote Abi got tiring, this Abi I can do. She’s behind, she knows she’s behind but she gives few shits and is nice and rude.

  • Ms_Woozah

    I didn’t hate Savage as much as some, but I definitely wasn’t his biggest fan either, and each episode he annoyed me more and more…like he was supposed to! Because we weren’t getting a Savage winner’s edit, we were getting a Savage downfall edit! hahaha

    I’m a little baffled they didn’t split the vote, but whatever, it makes for great entertainment. Like with Jenn’s idol play last year. I live for the looks of glee by the idol player and the bewilderment of the others.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Well I don’t think it was a downfall edit in the way people were saying. He actually went home because he was persuaded by others, rather than by being stubborn. I still think the show wanted you to side with him as evidence by the fact that when Abi gives that kiss off I don’t think they expect most people to support her sentiments (but they do expect people to be entertained by her troll game)

      • Ms_Woozah

        I think we’ll just agree to disagree on that front. My very casual fan roommates, who really liked Savage in Pearl Islands, were also starting to get irritated by his arrogance these last few eps. I think the editors were laying it on thick, but I appreciate your other perspective/blinders.

        • Saturday Evening Palsy

          I didn’t like him in Pearl Islands either but who am I to say. I like Tyson. I like Coach. I’m really not a great judge of character.

        • Purplerockmatt

          well again I think a downfall edit is like these fatal flaws brought someone down edit. The suggestions were basically that Savage’s old school game, his dislike of lying and backstabbing would send him home. When really he got idoled out because he got persuaded not to out a potentially backstabbing alliance mate. I think Savage was getting a mixed edit so that people wouldn’t mourn him too much, but not a downfall edit, if the distinction makes sense

          • andythesaint

            You could argue his downfall was being openly resentful of the people on the bottom as well. Maybe if he had been a little nicer to Ciera, Stephen goes home tonight.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Ding Ding Ding. He got targeted because Ciera, Abi and Wentworth didn’t like him. To me the best move here is Jeremy but they like him for the most part, Savage’s inability to see value in smaller, younger women was part of his downfall.

          • purplerockpodcast

            It’s not even a matter of liking I don’t think (though it may be that too). It’s that Jeremy is probably a lot more flexible. Jeremy would probably at least listen to you pitch a plan to him, whereas Savage would just shoot you down and tell you he’s loyal to the team he’s got.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I think you are right but I think his attitude to Ciera doesn’t seem to have ever been that positive and that is another sign they would not be listen to.

          • purplerockpodcast

            Oh, I have no doubts that Savage is unwelcoming to those outside his team. He wholeheartedly embraces that “us vs. them” mentality. And I’m guessing that to show loyalty to his alliance, he is very public about his disdain for those on the outside.

            It’s a terrible way to demonstrate your loyalty, because it leaves you with no options if the people you’re loyal to aren’t loyal to you.

          • Kemper Boyd

            It’s no “what if I’m here tomorrow and I need to work with them” is it?

          • andythesaint

            One of Savage’s biggest flaws is that he’s largely unable to move off of his first impression. Stephen, Kass, and Ciera never had a chance with him because of what he learned of them before the game even started.

          • Dr.Horrible

            This shows what a strong game Jeremy is playing. As delicious as the Savage take out was, idoling out Jeremy would have been the more effective play. Jeremy is the connective tissue for almost all of the players on the board in the majority alliance. Stephen and Kimmi (who seem to be something of a pair) are tight with Jeremy as shown when Jeremy protected Stephen this week), Joe was protected by Jeremy when Stephen brough up his name, Spencer and Jeremy have built a strong bond, Keith has played with Jeremy previously and they were in Firefighters R us together for a good five minutes of that game, and Tasha and Jeremy not only have the Bayon, but also the RHAP Mr & Ms. Survivor and POC connection.

          • sharculese

            Yeah, but once again you have the Abi factor, and now she feels burned by Savage. They may not have had a choice.

          • Dr.Horrible

            I guess the real issue is that, except for Wentworth, they didn’t think they were actually voting anyone out, they just thought they were taking shots. So, of course they all wanted to shoot at Savage to keep pissing him off.

          • Roswulf

            That’s actually a really good point. Voting against Jeremy without taking him out would have been REALLY dumb for Ciera/Abi (Jeremy definitely has a vengeful streak). So Kelley would have needed to tell Ciera and/or Abi that she had an idol to target Jeremy. And Abi is both not trustworthy enough to tell secrets to, and likely to get offended if Ciera and Kelley are making moves without telling her.

            So the safe move to maintain peace and safety among the three women is to target Savage.

          • sharculese

            My guess is that if you told Abi about the idol, she just becomes more gung-ho to burn Savage.

          • Purplerockmatt

            remember that that alliance didn’t target Savage two votes ago because of Abi. I’m not sure the Savage-Abi hate was that strong (the Ciera-Savage hate though was super strong)

          • sharculese

            Yeah, but that was before she got forced into the bottom and ostracized from all strategy talk. Remember how much Abi liked being on the outside in Philippines? Remember how well she took it?

            Granted, she’s on the outside at least in part because she moved against Savage, but what are the odds Abi sees it that way?

          • Purplerockmatt

            My point is that may very well be true but we didn’t see it on screen. it’s fan fiction.

          • sharculese

            Yeah, that’s true. But we don’t have any info on how they landed on Savage, so anything is fan fiction.

          • Purplerockmatt

            we have a perfectly valid reason in ciera though.

          • sharculese

            What about the fact that she taunted him on his way out? Isn’t that evidence their relationship had soured?

          • Purplerockmatt

            I think Abi would do that to almost anyone. It’s Abi

          • sharculese

            I dunno man. I think you’re right that I was undervaluing Ciera’s influence, but you’re never gonna convince me Abi didn’t sour on him, in part because it matches everything we’ve seen about Abi’s past behavior.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Savage seems to feel ok about Abi in post-game for what’s it worth. I mean he hates Ciera and Kass, but Abi he seems alright with

          • Roswulf

            I’ll defend bouncing Savage. Because not only does Jeremy have all these ties within his alliance, he also has functional relationships with Kelley (SJDS ties!) and Ciera (as compared with Ciera’s utterly toxic relationship with Savage). The ingredients for a Bayon crack-up are already there in the Stephen/Joe rift; they need to be sure they can find a place when the rift comes.

            And when that crack-up comes, Savage was never coming to Wentworth and Ciera. Jeremy easily could. He’s so well connected to every sub faction that he plays as a swing vote.

            Jeremy appears to be really good at Survivor.

          • Dr.Horrible

            I can’t disagree. Still, voting him out would have been a profoundly rational decision.

          • Other Scott

            The best move is Savage exactly because of his inability to see value in smaller, younger women.

          • Roswulf

            I think this is factually true- if Savage is considerate of Ciera back on Ta Keo, and used himself or Woo as the anti-Spencer decoy as a gesture of good faith, I think he’s still alive and reasonably well positioned.

            I don’t think that the edit particularly hammered this note. The one who took him down was Wentworth, and we got virtually no info on how Savage behaved towards Wentworth.

        • andythesaint

          Honestly, before this episode was even over I thought to myself “I think I might be out on Savage?” This was before I had figured out that he was going to go home when Kelley plays an idol (which I did during the commercial break).

      • Barbara Anderson

        What’s sad is I bet Abi was being sincere. After all, she knew from her time with him on Angkor that he was desperate to make the jury phase. She just said the wrong way to someone who just got blindsided. He wasn’t going to take it well.

        • Purplerockmatt

          Wait… you can’t be serious right? She wasn’t being serious at all

          • Barbara Anderson

            See, I can’t tell with Abi. I know she can be trolling, but…I just don’t know.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Oh she was clearly twisting the knife. No one lilts their voice like that to be serious.

          • VoicOff

            Yeah that’s the thing with Abi, you can’t tell.
            Probably in part because she is not a native speaker. It’s harder to convey subltility and tone in another language.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I honestly can’t believe people can’t tell. She has a very obvious vocal quality when she is trolling. Voice gets a little higher and she does that sort of smile and look half away move.

          • Barbara Anderson

            I will go back and check. But, I just realized something: Savage kept Abi over Peih Gee in the first Angkor tribal…Guys, Abi has taken out someone who was a former ally again.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Abi destroyer of worlds

          • Saturday Evening Palsy

            I have that MTG card.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Is there a Brazilian dragon on it?

          • Saturday Evening Palsy

            Yeah, and it has great synergy with Savage Punch.

            Wow. I am a nerd!

          • Sylvisual

            Savage Punch: Goes down smooth but then makes you feel like a disloyal piece of shit the next day.

          • Barbara Anderson

            So, I went back and watched the tape…Yeah, Abi is trolling. The key part that I had missed because I was cackling so hard was that after he flips her off, she laughs and yells back “Right back at you”….Yeah, she wasn’t being serious. Sorry for reading too much into it!

          • Kemper Boyd

            Sorry Barb, I’ve got to agree with Matt, as someone who values sarcasm and likes a subtle dig, this was 100% trolling from Abi and it’s was beautiful.

          • Barbara Anderson

            You missed it. I have already went back (about 10 times) to rewatch it and yeah, Abi is totes trolling.

          • Saturday Evening Palsy

            She seemed to me like she was just as sad as everyone else. It’s probably just the language barrier.

          • purplerockpodcast

            I watched it three times already. I think Matt is right. She was twisting the knife a bit. Maybe playfully, but she wasn’t feeling sad for him.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I am in disbelief that this is in doubt. Seriously people this is Abi, when has she ever shown compassion for someone?

          • Barbara Anderson

            When Artis was voted out…maybe?

          • Purplerockmatt

            figures that Abi would feel bad for the angriest man on earth

          • Barbara Anderson

            I haven’t finish Philippines yet (in fact the last episode I watched was the Artis boot), but does she feel bad for inadvertently taking out Pete?

          • Purplerockmatt

            nope

          • Barbara Anderson

            Good to know.

          • Roswulf

            When she hurt her knee, she felt a great deal of compassion for the suffering of Abi.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Why would she feel sad for him? She’s marginalised by that alliance and her and her ladies just got rid of a big target.

          • purplerockpodcast

            I’m not saying she should feel sad for him. To the contrary, if I was in a shitty position and my tiny band of misfits took down a big target like that I’d be tempted to gloat as well.

          • Kemper Boyd

            The thing that gets me is that Ciera is so unbelievably right. If those outside the core wait too long then they’ll be screwed because that core are better at challenges (well maybe not Jeremy). If they keep punting the hard decisions then eventually they can’t be made at all.

          • purplerockpodcast

            Oh, Ciera was on fire at tribal council. And in other parts of this episode. She’ll be prominently discussed on the podcast this week.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Woop. She is a lot like her mom, who let’s face it was the second best player on her season but got screwed by being a strong woman on a Russel Hantz season.

          • Other Scott

            Wait, no. I’d say at the very least Natalie, Brett and Russell were better. And probably more. Laura was targeted very early by a lot of people and didn’t really have the numbers to stop them.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Brett? BRETT? Nope.

          • Other Scott

            Why not Brett? He nearly won as it was, and had an awfully good shot had Galu won out as well.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Immunities and being quiet does not make a good player.

          • Other Scott

            An extremely likable guy who was not perceived as a threat (last Galu member to go out) who apparently had a final 3 deal wrapped up with everyone on Galu but could still dominate at immunity challenges? He tried to talk his tribe out of voting Erik out as well, which is part of what doomed them.

            He was an all time great player, it just never showed up in the edit.

          • Kemper Boyd

            He was seen as a threat he just won 3 immunities in a row. I know you are taking the piss with all time great player but you know the deal, if it’s not in the edit it isn’t canon.

          • VoicOff

            Just as sad as anyone who was deliriously happy and indredibly smug, then

          • VoicOff

            I will come back to watch

          • VoicOff

            You are probably right but there is also something incomprehensible about Abi’s way of being in general, and i was refering to that.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            “That’s twice you wrote my name down.”

      • sharculese

        Here’s a thing I’ve been pondering on Savage’s edit – is it possible that production saw all of this footage of Savage basically turning his nose up at gaming after they tried to set up a season of hardcore gamers who game so hard and basically said “well fuuuuuuuck you, buddy?”

        • Kemper Boyd

          I was thinking something along these lines. His exit words were hilariously off base, it was all “I learnt to play the game”, “I played the strategy pretty darn well” etc. Like buddy you didn’t, you made zero choices, Tasha was the one who engineered your survival at Angkor, your alliance mates made the split call last week and this week you didn’t split 10 votes and got blindsided by an idol you probably didn’t worry about because you were going after a young woman.

        • purplerockpodcast

          I think they probably dug the fact that he was so old school in his thinking, because it set up easy narratives for them. And if we’re talking about hardcore gamers, let’s just remember that Woo and Keith are on this season too.

          The fuck you here is for people like Wigles, who have given them absolutely nothing. I’m going to bet she gets a total of one confessional in her boot episode.

          • Roswulf

            I’m hoping they maintain tension and interest by making Wigglesworth 100% invisible in her boot episode. I’m talking adding in CGI trees so that she can’t be seen in group shots, the works.

        • Purplerockmatt

          eh maybe. I mean look at how they are editing Wigles, who is really turning her nose up at the idea of gaming. The producers are just out ignoring her. But Savage they are engaging because he is an engaging personality.

      • tocantins

        I get the argument “the viewer here is not the average Survivor viewer”, but I do see it as a downfall edit. To me, the edit was clearly stating the entire season that Savage was playing a cutthroat game with a 10 years old strategy, and it came back to bite him. That shows when he was trying to defend Joe and attack Stephen, while any reasonable new player would see Stephen was right (even Joe said so). And it shows on the multiple times he said in confessionals that “people here lie very well” and things like that.

        And I don’t see this story that he was voted out for not convincing the others to vote for Stephen. I don’t think the causal connection is direct. (If next week Stephen convinced all to vote him out, then the story would be more concrete.) This vote had nothing to do with Stephen, it was Savage being outplayed by a new player, and voted out because he was perceived as the leader of the pack (and in this sense he was outplayed by Jeremy as well).

        • Kemper Boyd

          Being British I don’t know any fans, let alone casual fans but surely in the last 15 years and the evolution of the game, the “casuals” do get that Survivor is about strategic play? If they didn’t this show wouldn’t still be on the air.
          I only disagree on why he was targeted, it’s because of his lack of respect for Ciera. I think had those bridges not been burned spectacularly then the 3 go for a different target.

          • purplerockpodcast

            No, there are still a bizarrely large amount of fans here who think this game can be played and won with “honor” or something. I really don’t know why they still watch the show, but I’m glad they do because they keep Survivor’s ratings up.

          • Kemper Boyd

            So Mike is their perfect winner, since Tom Westman I mean.

          • purplerockpodcast

            Rupert is their perfect winner. Always Rupert.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Did he win though? I’m sure none of them can remember he didn’t.

          • purplerockpodcast

            If he lost, it’s only because those awful liars and schemers ruined it for him.

          • Other Scott

            Rupert has been given 1 million dollars by Survivor, yes.

          • VoicOff

            The Survivor facebook page is amazing

          • Roswulf

            In Taylor’s defense, I’m pretty sure I’ve written that exact same sentence about my beloved Woo.

            Except the “win” part was pure sarcasm.

          • Other Scott

            I wasn’t even being sarcastic.

        • gouis

          I loved how Joe responded to the Stephen news. “Not surprising he wants to go after me, but now i’m going after him”.

          Compare that to Savage getting all pissy and calling Stephen “disgusting”.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I think the editors did a good job of including parts for people who will like a Savage and parts for those of us who don’t. Him calling all the players liars etc shows a dude who just doesn’t get the game anymore (I think the only kind of game he understood how to play died after Australia). But then there is the hero challenge, rah rah loyalty stuff for people who are into that side of the game.
        Even Abi’s exit burn was two sided, seemed mean to Savage fans but showed him being petulant for the none fans. Basically kudos editors.

    • Kingoftonga

      I’m still confused by the lack of a split vote too, but the alliance is so big it’s hard for me to visualize why that happened. I’m guessing that there was some worry that Joe would flip? But if the vote was split with 5 for Wentworth and 4 for Ciera, and Joe was on the Ciera vote, there’s no chance of a flip, right? Or does Joe take Keith or Wiglesworth with him?

      It will be interesting to see the reaction now that a Jeremy/Stephen alliance is pretty much made public this episode. (Seriously, Jeremy’s reason for keeping Stephen was basically, “Because I said so.) Jeremy seems the more dangerous one to me, while Stephen seems like somebody I’d want to take to the end.

      • VoicOff

        Why they went after Wentworth of all people is still weird.

        • purplerockpodcast

          Probably because Stephen wanted to keep Ciera around (and thus Jeremy probably wanted Ciera around).

          • Barbara Anderson

            And Wentworth is a bigger threat down the line in regards to physical strength whereas Ciera is perceived as weak (despite the fact that she has won Immunity in the past, which should have been on her Survivor Wiki page).

        • Diego Armando

          I’m guessing physical presence and the fact that she was Ta Keo.

        • andythesaint

          Probably just as simple as the fact that she’s more likely to win immunity. Plus, they may have seen her with Joe.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Not really of the 3 left she’s the most personable with people and the most athletic. To me it’s a no brainer really.

          • andythesaint

            Well, the true no brainer was not splitting the vote.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Well A) they knew that Ciera didn’t have it as she didn’t play it last week so the smart move is Ciera anyway and B) I truly don’t think Savage and as a an extension Jeremy didn’t think it was possible for Wentworth to have an idol.

  • VoicOff

    Really great episode.

    Plus according to Fishbach’s twitter it contradicts the spoilers that were floating around, so it’s definitly a plus.

    (Savage is out ! Fist-bump! )

    • purplerockpodcast

      Yeah, that was just an awesome, suspense-filled episode.

      • Purplerockmatt

        yup thirded. If I had to lose Savage in a week when i wrote he is getting a winner’s edit, then I am glad it happened in an amazing episode

        • Saturday Evening Palsy

          Has anyone posted a gif of his reaction in the comments section of that article yet?

          • Purplerockmatt

            :middle finger:

  • Ms_Woozah

    Do we think someone tipped off Wentworth that it would be her? Or was it just gut feeling?

    • VoicOff

      I think there is a scene on the beach when Joe is like “it’s you Kelley”, and she is like “it’s me ?”

      • Ms_Woozah

        Ah, okay. Must have missed that.

      • Purplerockmatt

        actually i think that scene went
        Kelley: Is it still me?
        Joe: Smile and shrug
        Kelley: Ok it is, noted

        • Kingoftonga

          I mean, if Joe knows it’s definitely Kelley, and he wants to sew up a jury vote, why not tell her directly? I can believe it happened off-camera.

          Based on Kelley’s comments tonight, I think odds are pretty good on a Joe/Kelley alliance moving forward.

          • tocantins

            Telling her directly might bother other people if they discover it. A smile and a shrug is just as efficient, and it has plausible deniability.

        • Diego Armando

          I don’t think Joe particularly cared whether or not she knew. If she played the idol, it would not hurt him.

      • Sylvisual

        Him or Spencer. Those three are a thing. (No, not like that.)

        • Kemper Boyd

          Why not like that?

          • purplerockpodcast

            #EroticFanFiction

          • Kemper Boyd

            Someone might write it. Fanfic writers are weirdos.
            I am totally going to look for Survivor fanfic when I get home from work, I bet loads of it is like Eddie, Reynold and Malcolm together (like that).

    • Purplerockmatt

      I think Joe kinda hinted that way

      • Barbara Anderson

        When she asked him directly after the Savage powwow on the beach, he said “I don’t know” which causes Kelley to deliver an Abi-like confessional about how Joe is dead to her now because he won’t make any big moves.

        • Purplerockmatt

          he also gave a shit-eating grin and shrug which is code for “yes.” and yeah kelley said he was dead but that was because he wasn’t making a move in the first place

    • Kemper Boyd

      Girl ain’t dumb. She said “it’s me right” and Joe did the “hmm, I dunno” thing.

  • Scarlett3639

    Kass was doing an amazing job of communicating her emotions non verbally tonight. I can see this will not be a passive jury.

    • VoicOff

      Kass was clearly having the time of her life while Ciera was outing all the alliances.
      And she had great hair.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I feel like she may end up near Eliza and Courtney as one of the best jurors.

  • VoicOff

    Varner hates hates hates Savage. He is retweeting a lot of Savage Hate and a bunch of gifs he got from the internet and felt the need to watermark with his hashtag for some reason.

    (The watermarks bother me. I loved Varner this season but his amount of self-promotion is getting a bit out of hand. Plus, watermarking other people’s gifs ? Tacky)

    • purplerockpodcast

      When it comes to Survivors, always bet the over on how egotistical/self-absorbed they are. You’ll rarely be wrong.

      • VoicOff

        Yeah but when it’s people i like, who present themselfes as smart and reasonable i can’t help but be disappointed >3<. I have some illusions left.

        At the same time i understand the need/envy to milk your fifteen minutes for all they are worth, but there is a smarter way to do it.

        • purplerockpodcast

          Oh, I’m a huge Varner fan. And really, I don’t care if these people are all “me me me!” as long as they’re good on Survivor. And he was great.

          • Purplerockmatt

            this is honestly why I don’t like to follow them on Twitter, because that way I can judge entirely based on how much I like them on Survivor and not how much I like their twitter game

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I thought it was because you didn’t know how to use Twitter.

          • purplerockpodcast

            Two things, Emma. Two things.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I choose not to use it

          • Adam B.

            Varner: good *on* Survivor. Not so good *at* Survivor.

            (See, also, Freakin’ Judd, Man.)

    • sharculese

      Jeff Varner’s luxury item on Australia was crayons and coloring books.Which he had all of the Survivor draw on and then auctioned off for charity. Which, cool, you did that for charity, but this was never a man who wasn’t instinctively drawn to playing the media in his favor.

      • andythesaint

        He works in the media. He knows the game.

    • Man, this is harsh in hindsight.

      • VoicOff

        Why? I was displeased with Varner before it was cool.

  • Barbara Anderson

    I am rewatching the footage right now and you all should go back and watch the majority alliance members (speficially Tasha, Jeremy, and Savage) bracing themselves after the last Wentworth vote in anticipation of who was going home. Also of note, Keith called Savage “Andrew” as he was walking out of Tribal.

    • Purplerockmatt

      yeah i mean because of no vote split they were at the mercy of three votes there

      • Barbara Anderson

        It reminds me a lot of the Worlds Apart merge tribal after Jenn played her idol.

        • Purplerockmatt

          but in that episode the good guys played an idol against the evil alliance. whereas in this episode …. oh i see

          • Barbara Anderson

            I wasn’t even thinking about that comparison. I was thinking more of how everybody in the majority was like “Oh crap. Whose name is it going to be?” I can’t say that the Bayon alliance is inherently evil because I like/love seven of them and love to hate two of them.

          • Purplerockmatt

            yeah i was teasing.

          • Barbara Anderson

            Okay. I just wanted to clarify myself before the major Stephen lovers came over to get me because I said something about how he was evil.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Didn’t Varner only call him Andrew as well? I think that would have been the best way to stick the knife in, just vote for Andrew not Savage.

  • purplerockpodcast

    Just going to leave this right here…

    https://twitter.com/survivorsavage/status/664642613560000512

    • Ms_Woozah

      lol. never change, Savage.

      • Purplerockmatt

        to be fair he also retweeted someone saying Lil was laughing somewhere.

        • purplerockpodcast

          Yes. But this one was just as funny.

    • VoicOff

      Those people are feeding his desillusion. He is gonna turn into a skinnier Rupert

      • Purplerockmatt

        unlike Rupert he isn’t coming back

        • VoicOff

          Rupert was out FIRST the last time. We have seen the last of him, now haven’t we ?

          • andythesaint

            No. He wasn’t even voted out!

            We will never be rid of Rupert.

          • gouis

            I fully expect to see Rupert once more.

          • purplerockpodcast

            When the day finally comes that Survivor is wrapping up, he’ll be on the call list.

          • andythesaint

            But do you think he’ll be available?

            Bwahahahahahaha

    • Dr.Horrible

      This is why there is so much frustration with Savage. He is profoundly entitled. As soon as things don’t go his way he sees it as some extraordinary hardship or unthinkable twist. By being in a majority alliance of physically strong players he saw his own group as having the only path to winning, and those outside of the alliance who tried to stir things up as playing in a distasteful way. He demonstrated this when he planned to target Spencer and Ciera upset that apple cart, and again after the merge.

  • turgid_legume

    All things considered, where do you think that tribal council falls in the pantheon? Top 5? It’s got perhaps the most vocal post-voting segment I can ever recall, with people saying all kinds of things when they’re usually all silent. And it will supply copious reaction GIFs for the ages. It’s really everything you want in a tribal council.

    • Barbara Anderson

      Out of my recent backlog viewing, it falls a tad bit below the Sarah Lacina tribal and above the Jeff Kent tribal for me.

    • purplerockpodcast

      It was really, really good. But off the top of my head: Parvati in HvV, Three Amigos, Caleb in BvW, the fucking stick in Micronesia, the Four Horsemen…there are plenty of good ones to compete against. Top 5 might be a stretch. But probably at least top 10.

      • Purplerockmatt

        even top 10 might be a stretch, but I’ll give you top 20.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Next week’s blog? I’d write that. I think it might just get in top 15.

          • purplerockpodcast

            Emma is glaring daggers at you right now for trying to steal her gig.

          • Dr.Horrible

            Because there can only be one woman.

          • Emma is the Tasha of this brolliance?

          • purplerockpodcast

            I like to think of her as the Tarzan to our Kim-Chelsea-Sabrina-Christina. (I’m the Kim.)

            Though to be more accurate in terms of physical descriptions, she’s like the Courtney Yates in our alliance of 4 Fishbachs.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I’m really more of a Ciera, physically. Plus Courtney and Stephen dated so ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

          • purplerockpodcast

            Oh. Yeah, that wasn’t the implication there. I was even actively trying to avoid that by not making us 4 Cochrans.

          • Other Scott

            Who’s Christina?

          • Purple Rock Emma

            How dare you.

          • purplerockpodcast

            We’ve always got to keep a dominant male majority, lest a women’s alliance overthrow us.

          • Kemper Boyd

            She can write it, that’s totally cool.

          • purplerockpodcast

            I was joking. But her weekly post usually relates to something in the most recent episode, so that topic is probably something that was going to come up when we pitch articles.

            We have discussed having guest posts, but we haven’t worked out a viable system for that yet. It’s not as easy as you’d think/hope.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I’d love to read her take on best Tribals. Float it as an idea for sure. I really do think this is top 20 but there are some really doozies out there and frankly I’m not sure anything can beat “I’d hate to have to watch green bananas turn yellow without my debaucherous little villians”

          • I’d like best/most effective idol plays as well.

            Criteria is threefold – does it make for great tv/does it change the game/does it ultimately contribute to a player winning?

            Natalie’s in SJDS is probably the best example of the latter – that showpiece move in front of the jury really helped to cement her chances.

            There are plenty of plays that made for great tv – the three amigos being one of them – but didn’t ultimately affect placements very much. Parvati’s double play and Russell’s in Samoa are a couple that really changed the game.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Natalie’s moves were all in front of the jury, she had 2 big ones and one subtle one. Voting Alec not Keith was the subtle one but telling Jon to play his idol was a big one too, it put her squarely in charge in the minds of the jury.

          • andythesaint

            It’s possible that “best tribals ever” is a topic too big to be wasted on a mere blog post. It might require something bigger.

          • Dr.Horrible

            Sounds like some off season content to me. I’m sure your wives will be so happy.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            A top 20 would be like 5000 words.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Oh I know, I’m asking like 8-10 and why this is probably outside it!

          • Kemper Boyd

            I don’t want to steal Emma’s token chick spot. Mainly because I’m worried it would mean a fight to the death and I am small, physically unfit and I think she’s kind of scrappy.

          • purplerockpodcast

            I wish I could find the appropriate gif of Courtney Yates chopping a rope to show how sad such a death match would be.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Sandra falling on her face on the beach gif v Courtney Yates chopping rope gif.

          • purplerockpodcast

            Appropriate Sandra gif, since I think Courtney was the one laughing at her in that one. Man, I love those two.

          • Go for the eyes. Every time.

            That’s my plan, anyway.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Nose too

          • Purplerockmatt

            actually that seems like a fair match then!

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Hey man, last week my yoga teacher said I was getting strong!

        • Other Scott

          I’d say the episode has more of a chance to be top 10 than the tribal. It was so good all the way through.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Russell saving Parvarti in HvV is brilliant. Riechenbach and the Black Widows is top 5 too. Stick to the Plan. Natalie using her idol on Jacq is really great too.

        • Purplerockmatt

          I think Andy is right though that the best might the Edgardo blindside in Fiji. My god that tribal is fantastic

          • Dr.Horrible

            The problem with it is that you have to watch Fiji.

          • purplerockpodcast

            That is definitely a huge hurdle.

          • Kemper Boyd

            So true, I guess Parvati’s double idol play is a move not the whole tribal. Hayden getting Caleb to flip on Culpepper is pretty good too.

          • andythesaint

            Wait, what? You may be remembering that wrong. Hayden voted for Ciera.

            It was Ciera, Katie, Caleb for Culpepper. Culpepper, Vytas, Hayden for Ciera.

            Vytas switched on the revote. Hayden did not.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I am and I apologise, it’s a season I’ve only seen once.

          • Other Scott

            The best part about that is Hayden wrote down a name and scratched it out about 4 times before deciding to stick with Brad and go to rocks if necessary.

  • Other Scott

    I’m actually kind of sad we’re losing Savage. So much comedy potential just gone.

    But man, what an episode. The alpha male + Tasha + Stephen alliance goes in circles trying to target one another until eventually they just decide to punt…and have the punt backfire. Savage stirs the pot by trying to get rid of Stephen, then backs down just to lose because of that. That’ll learn you Andrew, never back down.

    As this is the last we’ll probably see him, time to say goodbye to an all time great Survivor player. Savage, you had some great moments, some terrible moments, some funny moments, some horribly insensitive moments. You really covered the whole spectrum. And you had two of the greatest boot episodes anyone could ever ask for. So long old friend, go back to your awesome life. You are built for many things, playing this game is not one of them.

    • Purplerockmatt

      I have this image in my head of Ranier Wolfcastle saying “Maria, my mighty heart is breaking”

      • Other Scott

        I wasn’t completely sure going into this season Matt, but you were right. Savage is life.

        • Purplerockmatt

          I may have lost 3/4 of our commenters but I gained Other Scott so my life is complete

    • Sylvisual

      Nah, screw Savage and his entitled attitude. I’m sure he’s a nice person in real life, but that’s probably because no one ever fired him. (Who’d have thought he’d have more blurred middle fingers than Varner and Kass combined?)

      • Other Scott

        His entitled attitude is just so freakin funny though.

    • andythesaint

      Savage is a perfect pre-merge player.

      Savage is an abominable post-merge player.

      • Other Scott

        As a player? Absolutely. Except for the perfect pre-merge part.

        I think he’d be great to have around post-merge just to see his beautiful alliance get upended and watch him be thrown into disarray by it. I think he’d still be a plus for the show. But we’ll never know.

        • I think Savage will always give them exactly what they want from Savage, which is challenge strength, lots of dramatising about tribe loyalty, and an inevitable fall from grace accompanied by much moralising and ranting about other players’ hypocrisy.

          He’s not a great player, but he gives them great TV.

          • Purplerockmatt

            As it was, so shall it always be

        • andythesaint

          When Savage isn’t thrown into horrible situations like Angkor (which sounded just abominable) then he’s the perfect de facto leader for the team phase of the game. There’s a reason why Bayon barely had to play Survivor while Ta Keo was flopping around. A big part of that reason was Savage’s team building (the other reason was Joe: the Survivor Cheat Code).

          • Kemper Boyd

            Excuse me, Joe’s name is “Joe: Beautiful Mind, Beautiful Body”.

          • Roswulf

            In my household we call him Joe: The Perfect Human.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I do like Joe: the Survivor Cheat Code

          • Roswulf

            I think the larger point is that Joe feels like he needs a special nickname. He doesn’t fit into the game like a normal player, even a really good normal player.

    • Kemper Boyd

      At some point surely Kimmi has to realise if they keep punting the decision she’ll be 7 or 8. COME ON KIMMI MAKE A MOVE.

      • purplerockpodcast

        I wouldn’t hold your breath on that one.

        • Kemper Boyd

          fingers crossed, a Kimmi victory is the ultimate redemption story. The edit tells us it isn’t coming.

      • Kimmi has a final 3 deal with Jeremy and Stephen, I’m positive.

        It’s a plausible-seeming one as well, as why WOULDN’T Jeremy want that?

        • Kemper Boyd

          I mean that’s fine if she wants to come 2nd or 3rd.

          • Yeah, it’s not a great final 3 for her, but my point is I don’t think Kimmi thinks she’s on the bottom. I think Kimmi thinks she’s towards the top of the pecking order, and she’s just going to have to replace Jeremy with someone like Wiglesworth.

          • Other Scott

            Who wins the Stephen, Kimmi, Wiglesworth final 3?

          • It depends how mad everyone is at Stephen, probably.

          • Kemper Boyd

            our first tie? Kimmi and Wigles take the joint crown?

          • Roswulf

            I think Kimmi takes it easily based on present information. I love Stephen, but one of those three players has been shown actually controlling a vote, and it ain’t Fishbach. She also has done a great job of not alienating people thus far, so far as we have seen.

            Now given the edit, that’s not going to be the final tribal. But assuming that Kimmi plans on eventually whacking Jeremy and going with some combination of Stephen/Wigs/Keith/Abi/Ciera/maybe Tasha depending on how much she’s alienated the jury, I think Kimmi is playing a very solid game.

          • Other Scott

            I don’t know how annoying Kimmi’s been though. That’s the one wild card here.

        • purplerockpodcast

          Plausible except for the fact that I’m not sure Stephen would be willing to take that deal. Unless it seems to him that Jeremy couldn’t get votes in a final tribal.

          • Stephen would have to be stupid (or Penner) not to make that deal.

            He wouldn’t have to stick to it (and shouldn’t), but it must seem pretty sweet from Jeremy’s point of view, as he thinks he can beat both of them, and good for both Stephen and Kimmi as Jeremy will keep them safe until such time as they blindside him.

            Realistically, Jeremy isn’t going to take Joe to the final, and he probably wouldn’t have wanted to take Savage either. Tasha is a definite possibility, but Stephen and Kimmi still seem like more appealing final 3 partners (and he has to assume he’d win a final immunity challenge against those two. He just needs another person in the final 4 who isn’t going to win it in his place (so not Keith. Or Spencer, judging by current performance. Maybe Abi has a way back!).

          • purplerockpodcast

            Ah, just a misunderstanding then. Of course Stephen should take that deal with the idea of reneging on it later. I’m just meaning it wouldn’t be smart of him to make that his actual final three.

          • My fear is that until Joe is gone, Stephen isn’t even going to be thinking about blindsiding Jeremy. He might be throwing his game away because he’s getting tunnel vision.

          • Dr.Horrible

            The strange thing is that he seems to know it, as demonstrated in his Moby Dick analogy.

      • Other Scott

        I don’t think Kimmi is a 7 or 8. The head of that alliance is going to start eating each other before they start going after her. It’s happening already.

      • andythesaint

        I think Kimmi has a very legitimate reason to think she’s in a final three.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Pretty fair but I just want to see Kimmi make a big move.

  • Ethan Kyle

    Somewhere in the USA SadLil is smiling in approval

    • Sad Lil

      Darn tootin’!

      • Diego Armando

        We thought you were dead.

  • Diego Armando

    I just finished writing my review at https://robertsreviewsandmusings.wordpress.com/2015/11/12/survivor-cambodia-episode-8-you-call-we-haul/. Unfortunately, my brother was unable to watch the episode with me, so no uninformed comments. Great episode though.

  • Diego Armando

    WOO!!! STEPHEN TOTALLY GOT HIS REVENGE. HIS REVENGE THAT HE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO PART IN.

  • Diego Armando

    Now the question is whether this was a game-changing moment for Wentworth, Ciera and Abi (ala Somoa) or a small victory before the inevitable sweep (ala Caramoan & Worlds Apart)?

    • I’d say a small victory. Outside of her sudden feud with Savage, Ciera hasn’t really had much of a story. She’s had her victory, I’d say she’s gone soon (possibly with the tide turning and people starting to PLAY a week later).

      Likewise, Kelley’s story has really mostly been about her idol. She’s played it now, so I’m really not sure how much more there is for her.

      Abi I’m not sure because she was so prominent early on. Hopefully she has an amazing feud with Tasha coming, but why wouldn’t we have seen that before now? It kind of seems like the editors have lost interest in her.

      • Diego Armando

        Honestly, I kind of agree. I think Wentworth is likely the target next week. Jeremy looked pissed after the vote and will likely want to take out one of the girls before dealing with Joe or Stephen. The fact that he has a bit of a petty streak in him does not help Wentworth at all.

  • Prom King

    Did I call or did I call it. I called it! Although I’m sad another wonderfully entertaining player is out of the game. Still, what an awesome episode.

    • Saturday Evening Palsy

      I believe I also started a conversation last week about Joe turning into a villain. Looks like other folks had that idea as well. And how about that evil wink?

      • Prom King

        Oh I didn’t call Joe being a villain. That was an added bonus and a great surprise! Didn’t know he had it in him and it was fun. Although he did wuss out of it by the end.

        I also really loved how much appreciation everyone had over Wentworth’s play. Except Savage of course. Everyone else, even his alliance members, seemed so stoked at the surprise. That was nice to see.

        • Saturday Evening Palsy

          Sorry, I called him out on becoming a villain. Poor wording on my part. Only your prediction was correct and mine was only a tease at his future horror.

          And I believe that the crowd reaction to Wentworth’s idol and Savage’s departure may result in a bitter, bitter jury member.

          • Prom King

            *fingers crossed*

      • Roswulf

        Joe’s transformation into Evil Pirate Joe is kind of my favorite thing ever.

        • Sylvisual

          Good lord, they revived Pirate Master…

  • sharculese

    That Gervase tweet would be way less icky if I didn’t know how he was tweeting about Baylor during SJdS.

    • VoicOff

      Would you care to expand on that ?

      • sharculese

        During SJdS Gervase was tweeting about how he had a crush on Baylor, who is solidly young enough to be his daughter.

        • VoicOff

          I understood that from contest but what tweet seems to refer to that ?
          (Gervase is sleezy. Always have been. He was pissing off the women by saying sexist shit on his first season)

          • sharculese

            I mean, I couldn’t link you to them, I’m not on twitter, but I remember from the Survivor tweets portion of RHAP Rob quoting things from Gervase that were literally “crushing on Baylor”

        • purplerockpodcast

          Eww. I don’t recall that. But that’s probably because I rarely bother reading Gervase’s tweets.

    • Purplerockmatt

      ewww.

  • Kemper Boyd

    INteresting thought from twitter: What if The Tres Amigas (now their alliance name in my head) voted for Savage, Tasha and Jeremy and let a revote happen?

    That could have been cool.
    Though I fucking loved seeing Savage be defeated by 3 women.
    https://twitter.com/joethegreat03/status/664766650747498496

    • gouis

      It’s too cute. Take out what you think is the central piece.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I agree but part of me would have loved to have seen it. In this case they took out the one they knew 100% they couldn’t work with.
        Imagine it though, I think a 3 way tie and making the “non-core” make the decision on who goes without being able to discuss it would have immediately made this the best tribal council ever on pure entertainment value. Plus I think it could have sewn some great seeds of discontent in the next episode if Savage got 4 but Jeremy and Tasha each got a couple og votes.

        • Purplerockmatt

          that type of revote is brutal for alliance loyalty. There is something to be said for it just on that basis

          • Kemper Boyd

            Exactly! Also fucking epic television.
            I think Savage goes because he gets votes from: Ciera, Abi, Kimmi, Stephen, for sure.
            Spencer and Joe would both want to keep him, Spencer votes Jeremy, who knows for Joe. Keith, Wentworth and Wigles are unknowns.

      • purplerockpodcast

        It is too cute, but Kelley’s idol really only works if the larger alliance doesn’t split the vote (because there’s no reason for the large alliance to split the vote anything less than 6-3). So at that point, the odds are actually pretty good that they could’ve each thrown a vote at one member of the alphas.

        Still too cute, but not as risky as it seems on the surface.

    • andythesaint

      It would have been cool. Impossible, since Kelley didn’t even tell them about her idol, but still, really cool.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Oh yeah, Kelley did the right thing not telling them and just being like “I just think we need to vote for the same person” but let’s just imagine the perfection of that situation had it happened.

      • Other Scott

        I think the way Kelley could have phrased it would be, “We’re boned, but let’s each throw a vote to different leader just to point out who we think the real alpha’s are.”

  • Roswulf

    Throwing out another tier list, based exclusively on chance of winning.

    TIER WINNING WOULD BE A NATURAL CONTINUATION OF THE STORY SURVIVOR IS TELLING
    1. Spencer
    2. Jeremy
    3. Wentworth (Actually in an interesting spot edit and game-wise right now- there’s a very reasonable argument that her story was resolved by whacking Savage)

    TIER HAS A STORY, BUT IT IS NOT A WINNING STORY YET
    4. Tasha

    TIER YOU CANNOT VOTE OFF THAT WHICH IS IMMUNE
    5. Joe (the hardest to place- he’s playing a different game than everyone else, and a game where edit means much less)

    TIER HAS A STORY, BUT IT IS A STORY ABOUT LOSING
    6. Stephen
    7. Ciera (Moving up- she’s now gotten to express her gaming philosophy three weeks in a row. Still, a win by Ciera or anyone following would be shocking)

    TIER INVISIBLE WHEN NOT CONTROLLING THE GAME
    8. Kimmy (I still like her game, but she’s been absent for too many episodes)

    TIER INVISIBLE AND NEVER CONTROLLING THE GAME
    9. Keith
    10. Wigglesworth

    TIER CAN’T WIN A FINAL TRIBAL VOTE, AND THAT IS HOW THE WINNER IS CHOSEN
    11. Abi Maria

    • Largely agree, though I’m of the school that thinks Wentworth’s story is kind of coming to an end. She’s had her big moment of glory, but for all her decent social game both Keith and Joe were willing to vote her out. From a similar losing position, Spencer is doing way better.

      • Roswulf

        I’d say there’s a greater than 50% chance you are right- right now, she is my pick to go next week.

        But I think there is clear winner’s upside to her edit, while Tasha’s treatment doesn’t segue into a victory as easily.

        • Based on Tasha’s “I’ll pray for forgiveness” confessional, I have her down as making it to the end and facing a deeply hostile jury, who aren’t feeling all that forgiving.

          • Prom King

            That’s my guess too. Especially after reading Kass’s various negative assessments of Tasha – they don’t sound like they are coming from a person who has had time at Ponderosa to reconnect with Tasha on a human level, outside of the game.

            But I hope that’s not the case. I want her to go down pre-final three.

          • sharculese

            She and Savage seem to have connected on a human level, and yet she called him a ‘cantankerous toddler’ to Josh Wigler. Kass is gonna Kass. But it’s also possible, very possible, that Tasha and her go all of Ponderosa without speaking. Would you put it past the two of them?

          • Prom King

            That’s a good point. They both know how to hold on to things, even Kass despite her comments to the contrary.

          • andythesaint

            Kass is tough to read because she loves playing a role. She did all throughout pre game interviews as well (not just the ones players could read/hear before leaving to tape). She gave herself a nickname! So her continuing a feud with Savage in her post-game could just as easily be her playing to her role, knowing that the knowledge the she and Savage bond in Ponderosa is not public yet (you could even construe it as her protecting spoilers, since if she did speak well of Savage, then the only possible conclusion is that they eventually bond in Ponderosa).

            By the same token, she could be playing the role in Ponderosa and her post-game thoughts are closer to reality. Tough to say.

          • sharculese

            Yeah, it occurred to me after I wrote that that all her talk last week was just her keeping kayfabe, as you’re so fond of saying, until Savage’s Ponderosa vid came out.

      • Prom King

        And I don’t think it has been all that interesting of a story. She’s amusing but her character can pretty much be boiled down to “I’ve gotta idol! And I’m here to play Survivor! I came here to win!” And other cliches.

    • sharculese

      Here’s a scenario I just dreamed up that would be amazing – any situation where Jeremy and Spencer are both at the end gives them both a pretty compelling resume, and Jeremy did not exactly cover himself in glory at his first FTC, when he had two weeks to prepare. What if Jeremy isn’t Stephen’s new JT, he’s Spencer’s Stephen.

      • “You can have second place, if you’re happy with that. I’m not happy with second place.”

        The Survivor gods DEMAND that Jeremy comes second.

        • sharculese

          Oh man, if it turns out that line was there for a reason…

          I remember when Mike was talking through Worlds Apart with Rob C., he talked about when he saw they had kept in Lindsey’s line about the winner being on this mat, he lost all doubt that he had one. What if Jeremy saw his scene and was like “whelp, that’s that.’

          • Roswulf

            I think the difference is that Jeremy’s quote would still be worth airing if he finishes first.

            However I’m pretty confident Jeremy will not finish third in a three person FTC.

          • You’re right, it works both ways.

            I read Jeremy as an arrogant player, so to me that line says ‘hubris’, but it would also be just fine as a winner’s quote, particularly if he does indeed end up at FTC with Stephen.

          • purplerockpodcast

            And that would also fit with the extremely odd flashback to JT and Stephen holding hands in Tocantins. Plus Stephen’s frequent references to wanting to do things to make himself a winner this time.

      • Roswulf

        Now that you mention it, didn’t Spencer and Jeremy deliver basically the same jury speech? An over-rehearsed pitch to vote for one contestant because they represented the only values that should matter in Survivor (which just happen to be the values of Jeremy and Spencer!).

        I thought Spencer’s version was even weaker than Jeremy’s, but then the Woo’s a dog line is not one that speaks to me.

        • sharculese

          But Spencer delivered his with gusto and theatricality, whereas Jeremy mumbled about voting for Natalie like a kid who forgot he was supposed to speak in class today. Who else does that remind you of.

        • Prom King

          Spencer’s speech is one of the worst I’ve seen at final tribal. And in general I am a Spencer fan. Kinda. I don’t want him to win but I do want him to go far.

    • purplerockpodcast

      Pretty spot on. Especially your aside about Wentworth.

    • Other Scott

      I have Wentworth down a tier, and Stephen up two tiers. Stephen’s edit isn’t villainous, it presents him as a protagonist in a lot of ways. It just has to turn around and start telling a redemptive story arc, which can still happen.

  • itsafuckingSTICK

    Wow, what an amazing episode! A friend who had never seen the show before joined my typical group to watch the episode last night and I think they’re hooked now. They had basically no idea what all the twists and turns meant, but the excitement of it all still managed to affect them.

  • itsafuckingSTICK

    I’m interested by what Stephen said at Tribal Council–that we’re seeing a whole ‘new’ way of playing Survivor this season. I agree to an extent given all the swaps and expansions and compressions and pre-game alliances, but I’m wondering if this is truly a ‘new’ way of playing Survivor the game or whether it’s merely a response to the particularities of this season. If future seasons repeat this method of constantly unsettling the castaways I could see this new strategy becoming solidified, but I doubt we’ll see it again if future seasons go back to the older formula.

    • sharculese

      Either that or it went something like this:

      Probst: Stephen, do you think we’re seeing a new way of playing the game?

      Stephen: Well, Jeff I think it depends on-

      Probst: Wrong answer. Start over.

    • Roswulf

      I think Stephen is saying exactly what someone in the top half of a large alliance should say to reassure the people on the bottom of an alliance that the alliance hierarchy is fluid. I’m skeptical that anything truly new is here.

      I do think that the Bayon Alpha Bro Down has a somewhat more fluid hierarchy than average, but I don’t think it is off the charts.

      • Purplerockmatt

        I think there are only two people in that 9 that didn’t have a viable path to a final 3. Which is remarkably fluid actually. And Keith wouldn’t realize he was that on the outs. (Spencer would but is waiting for the numbers to jump). But Kimmi and Stephen think they have a three with Jeremy. Savage and Joe think they are together, savage also thinks he is with tasha and jeremy. kelly isn’t thinking about it at all, but is the perfect goat for this group. that is 7 of 9 i think are well positioned in the group depending on how things break later.

        • sharculese

          I’ve been hinting around this so I’m just gonna spell it out – I think Spencer has a very good path to the end and I think it’s sticking with Jeremy. I think Jeremy both likes and trusts him, and I don’t think he thinks Spencer can beat him. Assuming a plucky underdog/well-off college kid narrative inevitably loses to a strategic mastermind/working-class dad* narrative is precisely the way in which Jeremy gets overconfident.

          *sidebar: Is voting based on need the most over-hyped thing after the threat of female alliance? Has it ever happened? I know Corrinne claims she would have voted for Dawn over Cochrane, but that never happened, and we do have a season where a corporate executive beat a guy who grew up homeless 9-0.

          • Purplerockmatt

            i don’t think spencer is in jeremy’s long term plans at all. i think spencer could beat just about anyone at final, but i dont think he gets there with jeremy

          • sharculese

            I don’t think he does, either. I think Jeremy absolutely plans on getting rid of Spencer, but I can see him consistently finding a reason that this isn’t the time to do it, until some combination of events makes it impossible (Spencer wins some immunities [not impossible] or Joe wins 9 straight but biffs the last one.)

            And while I agree with you that Spencer can beat almost anyone, I think Jeremy thinks that, assuming his current trajectory holds up, he can beat everyone.

          • I get that vibe too – his whole thing is that he has to surround himself with meatshields because if they’re not there he’s so OBVIOUSLY going to win that people will take him out.

          • VoicOff

            So you think Jeremy can’t win against Spencer ?

          • sharculese

            No I think he can. I just don’t think it’s going to be easy as I suspect Jeremy does.

  • Brenda4evah

    Once Wentworth played her idol, why oh why didn’t Jeremy play his? Hubris, or was the shade being thrown at Savage by the Tres Amigas that blatant?

    • purplerockpodcast

      According to Jeremy on Twitter, he considered it. But he felt confident enough that it wasn’t going to be him.