Survivor Game Changers Episode 11 Liveblog: “Reinventing How This Game Is Played”

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Matt has an irrational dislike for all contestants named Michel(l)e. Also if he ever takes a strong stance about why everyone else is wrong, it is he that is inevitably wrong.

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  • Taako From Teevhii

    Dammit, no, don’t foreshadow a Cirie boot. Especially with those kisses of death.

    • the sky is falling

      Wait, they never telegraph the boot in that segment. that means she is safe, right?

  • the sky is falling

    Why is Culpepper in the chair?

    • Taako From Teevhii

      You have to use three people I believe, so its just ordering your three

      • If I remember from last time, putting your taller people in the chair worked better because they had longer reach. Michaela and Zeke would have known that.

        With fewer people per team this time round though, weight looked like much more of an issue than it was last season.

        • Alycia Swift

          Well no one was as big as Chris. And genx had Bret to anchor. Last time wasn’t it just one person in the chair?

          • No, they still had to switch. I think GenX went with taller people whilst Millennials went with lighter people. GenX had a decent lead, but none of it mattered because no one could solve the puzzle.

        • Cinnamon Owl

          If the physical part had wound up mattering, then the ideal would have been to keep Michaela in the chair–she’s fast on the course AND has long arms AND is light.

    • Diego Armando

      For arm length.

  • jersey_luck

    You know you got to admit that that this reward challenge is an awesome build. Glad they are reusing this from last season.

    • Hornacek

      But it was kind of wasted since it didn’t make a difference in who won. Once again, it came down to the puzzle.

  • the sky is falling

    This puzzle has a lotta letters, pretty tough

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Wheel of Fortune rules: form words around your weird letters. There’s a V in there, y’all! Work with it! Psh, “nutritional”

  • the sky is falling

    hey Troy: Dirk Diggler is 11 letters

  • the sky is falling

    this was an awesome challenge, but the coolest ones are when they have to run though the woods and answer a question related to a story about the culture.
    post idea: best challenges

  • the sky is falling

    The bottom 4 have 3 idols and a special reward, what are they worried about for chrissakes

    • jersey_luck

      They have not shared that with each other to be fair.

    • Hornacek

      I did find it funny when Troy(zan) and Tai were talking to each other saying that they would warn each other if their name came up when both of them were thinking “I had an idol to save myself” and not knowing that the other person was thinking the exact same thing.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Troy: “Maybe they’ll put another idol out there.”
        Tai: “I don’t know…” (I already have two, that seems excessive.)

        • Hornacek

          Troy(zan) and Tai: (thinking) Ha, he doesn’t know that I actually have an idol! I sure fooled him! I’m the greatest player here!

  • the sky is falling

    Cirie is clearly the best strategist left in this game

    • Roswulf

      I’d say that’s been clearly true since the Sandra boot.

    • Hornacek

      Now that Debbie, the one in charge of the Power 6, was voted out last week.

    • Cinnamon Owl

      I really like watching her work over people. (Andrea was also good.) They understand that you don’t say “So low-ranking alliance member, the target is X.”

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I don’t know if it’s really endearing or really telling that Cirie always calls her “Officer Sarah”

    • Ms_Woozah

      She said it 5 times in one breath. I was impressed.

  • Max_Jets

    YES

    • Max_Jets

      Or no. I don’t know, damn it.

      • the sky is falling

        YES

  • the sky is falling

    Sarah is filling the boring narrarator role deftly. It’s a Michelle-esque winner edit

    • Sylvisual

      She’s more interesting than Michele. And that says a lot.

      • PurpleTally

        She is also actually involved in the strategy things she is talking about, unlike Michele, whose confessionals were mostly about what other people were doing with little to no insight.

        • Sylvisual

          Because she didn’t need to be carried, bro!

        • Diego Armando

          “Uhhhhh, there was like a merge today and that was bad. I like elephants cause they…”

          “DAMMIT, WHY PEOPLE KEEP LUMPING ADAM IN WITH YOU?”

      • Max_Jets

        Sounds like a bunch of malarkey to me.

      • jersey_luck

        I would argue that Michele is naturally more charming then Sarah (that might just be my Jerseyness showing) but Sarah is more important and making more moves. And that means is worse because Sarah is middle of things and is still boring.

        • Diego Armando

          There are better players from Jersey.

          • jersey_luck

            That is correct but watching Michele in Kaoh Rong reminded of some people from Jersey in real life.

          • Diego Armando

            At least you got something.

      • DrVanNostrand

        A mayonnaise sandwich on plain white bread is more interesting than Michele.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          What if you cut the crust off?

          • DrVanNostrand

            Getting closer to Michele territory.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Off-brand Miracle Whip?

    • sharculese

      Who is Michele?

  • the sky is falling

    music is on point this season

  • the sky is falling

    This domino challenge was better when it was on an angled beam on redemption.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Are you forced to stack in one direction, or could you move from the gong backwards?

    • Purplerockmatt

      Tai was stacking backwards

      • Hornacek

        “stacking backwards” is a euphemism, right?

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I can’t believe ATGCFFSDT couldn’t use her height to dominate this challenge

  • Tiago

    Yesss, Andrea ain’t going anywhere tonight ya’ll

  • jersey_luck

    You know the immunity challenge, like Tai and Aubry, was more fun in Kaoh Rong.

  • susan appleby

    What is Andrea doing?

    • the sky is falling

      Pursuing her vendetta

  • susan appleby

    Go Mikkayla

    • the sky is falling

      Very astute commentary by her

  • the sky is falling

    Debbie sewed that dress herself.

  • the sky is falling

    Andrea shoulda said, ” if you treat everyone like human chess pieces, then you are just Russell Hantz”

  • Max_Jets

    Cirie you BAMF

    • the sky is falling

      Only epic player left

  • Taako From Teevhii

    This new Black Widow Brigade better get to the end, or this move will be a retroactive disaster

  • the sky is falling

    is it just wishful thinking or is Cirie lookin good?

    • Alkanarra

      I get the argument that they’re not worried because Cirie won’t win immunity at the end (which she won’t), but what everyone seems to be overlooking is that she ain’t gonna just sit there all docile. You wait to vote Cirie out and you’re just giving her a chance to fuck your shit up. I love that they haven’t realized this.

      • I honestly don’t think that anyone left besides Aubry has actively seen a Cirie-heavy season.

        • Max_Jets

          & Andrea, but that’s probably it.

          • No, Andrea has only seen HvV and beyond. Why I say this is that her least favorite player during Redemption Island was Courtney Yates because she sat out of challenges.

          • Max_Jets

            Gotcha. I thought maybe she had gone back, but I probably just thought that because I like her. I do know that she loved Cirie pre-season, but that definitely doesn’t mean she’s seen her seasons.

          • the sky is falling

            Why would you go on survivor and not watch them all?

          • Max_Jets

            I don’t mean to bring up one of your favorite players you are still mourning but…

          • Which player is that?

          • Max_Jets

            Team TV

          • Gotcha…although I forgot that Tony was on this season for a few days last week.

          • the sky is falling

            Haha, Tony doesn’t need to know anything. Tony is all, lol.

          • sharculese

            It… takes several months to watch all of Survivor at once. I say this from… experience.

          • Hornacek

            All you need to do is read the Survivor wiki.

          • That could also be because she knows Cirie as a Survivor alumni.

      • the sky is falling

        Cirie is dark horse to save this season

      • the sky is falling

        I am very happy that Cirie is at least getting a godfather edit, I’d go so far as to call it a low key winner edit

        • Alkanarra

          The thing about a Cirie winner edit is that it’s totally unnecessary. All she needs to do is show up at tribal council.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Yeah great players do not need an extra good edit to beat people over the head with the fact that they are great players

          • gouis

            Just like Michelle.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I hate you

          • gouis

            True

          • the sky is falling

            Seriously though, Cirie is pulling some Sandra level witchcraft recently

    • Cinnamon Owl

      It can be two things.

      Her badass domination of every pre-merge immunity challenge justifies her pre-merge minimalist edit, right? Right? The best possible pre-merge strategy is to just never go to tribal counsel, even if that means you make no ultimately decisive moves for that half.

  • Purplerockmatt

    Episode ended

    • gouis

      True

      • Purplerockmatt

        I speak in truths

  • gouis

    Before anyone posts that this was too early, Zeke explicitly said he was coming after Andrea next. An alliance of 6 isn’t really an alliance if one of your members has already tried to betray you.

    • Purplerockmatt

      This was a good move for Andrea and probably Cirie… I’m not sure it was good for Sarah and Michaela

      • EmAndScoutInBK
        • Purplerockmatt
          • gouis

            catception

          • the sky is falling

            That cats not frantic, he is determined

          • That cat is me writing my dissertation. It can be two things.

          • PurpleTally

            And me trying to get through all of my teacher certification stuff this week.

          • sharculese

            And me, trying to figure out where I put the sandwich I know is somewhere in my bedroom.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Like Purplerockmark and Purplerockmike!

          • Mike Hirsch

            We don’t ever seem to post at the same time, I’ll grant you that.

          • Violina23

            Recursive typing cats… my computer science brain is going to explode…

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      Was going to post this, but you beat me to it. He just confirmed it was the right move for Andrea.

      But I’m not convinced it was the right move for Sarah or Michaela.

      • gouis

        cat_typing.gif

        • Violina23

          LAZY!!!

          • Hornacek

            Lazy like a cat?

          • Violina23

            Lazy like a FOX!

          • Hornacek

            I’ve never seen an animated GIF of a fox frantically typing at a keyboard.

      • I don’t think Michaela really thinks it was the right move for her either, apart from in a pure ‘as long as it’s not me’ sense.

        Sandra would never have cried though.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          Sandra don’t care. Sandra didn’t shed a tear when she voted out Courtney. And she loves Courtney.

    • Maritimer

      I also loved the fact that they pulled the trigger at 10, where Zeke, the superfan, would follow the traditional “strategy rules” and wait until 9 to make the move, because you are “supposed” to make moves at odd numbers, so they got a jump on him

      • Zeke also tried to make a move at 12 though…

        • Maritimer

          I think the immediate post-merge rules are different? I don’t really know. I just know that people always say that 9 and 7 are when you are supposed to make moves and I feel like Zeke would believe in that. I may be wrong

          • No, you’re right. Even numbers are harder because you risk a tie, or if you’re trying to flip someone from the other alliance you need two rather than one. That still holds for 11 and 13 though.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            The only difference is that at 13 or 11 (as opposed to 9 or 7), the opposition vote is more likely to be split, so you may not need an absolute majority.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Voting out Zeke with five votes at 10 (rather than nine) could easily have gone sideways, especially since they were counting on Sarah.. It seems likely that they told FFSDT to vote Tai as a loyalty test. What if she had been able to unite Team Boring+Zeke?

        • Maritimer

          Easily,very easily, I accept that. They must have been damn sure of how the votes were going to pull the trigger. I was surprised actually that Team Boring didn’t mount any sort of counter-attack. That said, it was clearly now they had to pull the trigger to get the jump on Zeke, who seems to have wanted to move at 9

          • purplerockandy

            I think Andrea was less concerned with the fallout since it wouldn’t have been her.

          • Maritimer

            She certainly was. The way its looked, a counter-attack likely would have targeted Michaela, which may explain her reluctance (on top of liking Zeke)

          • I was seriously worried that the fallback vote would be Cirie.

  • wonderand

    Michaela forever, but someone needs to explain to me why she was sobbing as Zeke left after voting for him.

    I was selfishly hoping Troy would get the Debbie “none of us actually want to be remembered as being on *this* person’s season, right?” vote.

    • gouis

      She just thought it was a bad move, and I think they had more of a relationship than we were shown.

      • wonderand

        :-/ I cannot imagine a friendly conversation between Michaela and Zeke that I wouldn’t prefer to at least 40% of the random stuff we’ve been shown. Now I’m sobbing.

    • Violina23
  • PurpleTally

    I can’t wait for Neat Lady Monica Culpepper next week.
    She’ll probably get more screentime in that episode than Aubry’s had all season.

    • gouis

      Who? (sorry man)

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Monica’s neat and all, but I’m more intrigued to see who goes out for Troyzan.

      • DrVanNostrand

        I feel like Troy’s type is a lot like Brian Heidik’s type. We’ll see.

        • sharculese

          “Present Troyzan’s loved one: a dog with an arrow in it.”

          • purplerockandy

            Too soon?

          • sharculese

            This joke is 77 in dog years.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          It’ll be his assistant photographer.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        I hope they “game-change” the loved ones visit and bring out Kim.

    • forever1267

      Game Changer Twist: They bring out the players’ closest ally from their previous season!!!

      Twist to the Twist: We get all new players for Top 7!!!

      • I, for one, welcome our new overlord Joe del Campo.

    • Hornacek

      FarmGuy69 set a high bar for former-Survivor-returning-as-loved-one. Monica’s got a lot of work to do.

  • Purplerockmatt

    For an episode with a flip on an alliance member, did anyone else think this was a pretty damn boring episode?

    • Alkanarra

      But what about that super exciting reward challenge? It went totally different from last time.

    • Here’s how much investment I had in it: my two Champions League players were the decoys and I didn’t even realize it until the first Zeke vote popped up.
      Also, I only watched the last 20 minutes of it live and I am considering just deleting the rest of the episode.

      • gouis

        Didn’t watch this episode. Still haven’t seen Palau. How committed to Survivor are you Bar?

        • Sylvisual

          She’s here to rule Fantasy League. She doesn’t need to bother herself like us mere mortals.

        • PurpleTally

          She’s getting through Tocantins now, which is the last of the Amazon Prime seasons on our list. We will get to Palau.

          • You are forgetting about Fiji, my dear.

          • gouis

            I haven’t seen that either

          • PurpleTally

            You are free to watch Fiji all by your lonesome. I’m not suffering through it again. That season makes me so angry.

          • You told me that we could watch it.

          • PurpleTally

            Oh god.

            I said we’d watch Thailand, too, didn’t I?

          • the sky is falling

            You guys are superfans, no reason to not watch em all, you have suffered through this one…

          • PurpleTally

            I watched every season (apart from 1/2 of Thailand) over the past year. I’m just now making Barbara suffer through all of them, too.

          • the sky is falling

            I think I’m calling this season as good one for casuals, terrible for superfans

          • Max_Jets

            Judging from the Facebook page, I would say it’s not great for anyone other than some redditors.

          • gouis

            They’re like pigs in shit tonight, I’m sure.

          • the sky is falling

            Good, this season sucks

          • Alkanarra

            I wish I could forget about Fiji.

        • the sky is falling

          Where do I get my gold star for having seen every season as it aired?

        • Purple Rock Emma

          She’s missed a shocking amount of seasons/episodes considering her commenting/gossip knowledge.

    • gouis

      True.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Yes. Curiously dull.
      Also, that King Arthur movie, I agree wholeheartedly. I believe my quote on it was “This looks terrible…but it *sounds* great.”

      • Purplerockmatt

        BAAAAAABY BAAAAAABY BAAAAABY

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Calm down, Ian Astbury.

          • the sky is falling

            Lol, the cult reference… Are you 60?

          • Purplerockmatt

            At least

          • the sky is falling

            Well, I got the reference, so….

          • Purplerockmatt

            Oh I just like to make fun of SNP who is our hilarious PRP grandpa

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I’m younger than Probst!

          • the sky is falling

            How old is Probst?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Older than me!

    • Sylvisual

      I dunno I found the vote pretty tense. In a “what are you doing?” sense.

    • I have no idea what you mean. I find watching Andrea and Zeke reenact their teenage mean-girls spat (OVER SEVERAL EPISODES) without benefit of social media to be thrilling. All it needed was more emojis.

      • Baulderstone

        That was certainly part of it. When it was time to vote, I really couldn’t care too much which one of them came out ahead.

        • I cared inasmuch as I was annoyed that their feud was getting in the way of just voting out FFGCSDT once again.

    • Maritimer

      Yes. I also found last week’s boring despite an alliance flip. I maintain its because these people are just so damn boring and Cirie is just running circles around them (barring Michaela and Cirie. Aubry would be less boring is she weren’t criminally under edited)

    • Ms_Woozah

      Yeah. 12 hours later and I really don’t have anything to say about it. Sad that Zeke is gone, and not just because he was the last one in my fantasy league. But it was a good move by Andrea.

      • Violina23

        Did you go to Andrea’s panel this time? I heard Courtney was there. She needs more people to tell her how much we worship her.

        Reed was also there… I would have been like “I think I saw you as a monkey in wicked about 10 years ago according to my playbills…”

        • Ms_Woozah

          I didn’t go this week. But I was there for the first one where Courtney was a guest and I may have physically tripped in front of her and embarrassed myself. It’s fine. I’m fine.

    • Violina23

      It was pretty dull. I had a friend over who doesn’t watch Survivor. I was kinda hoping it’d be a good episode so maybe she’d get into it…

      one of us… one of us….

  • I can’t believe the editors are claiming Andrea won immunity again. Michaela is winning ALL OF THEM, which is why Jay was so right to vote her out before the merge last season. FAKE NEWS.

    • Upvoted for the trolling.

    • purplerockandy

      I respect fighting an old battle that is long since over so much. SO MUCH.

      • This was kind of a boring episode and I have nothing better to talk about.

        Apart from how Zeke absolutely turned on Andrea too soon and it tanked his game, oh look at that. #bigmoves

        • purplerockandy

          Love it.

        • purplerockandy

          I’m finally seeing the light: Zeke totally should’ve stuck with Andrea and Cirie’s 6… only to see his biggest ally Sarah vote out Ozzy with the main 7 anyway.

          • It’s great that you’ve finally been able to admit that you were wrong about this. I know how hard that is for you.

    • Hornacek

      SAD!

      • Violina23

        BIGLY!

  • Purplerockmatt

    Also Andrea’s final three is almost certainly Michaela and Aubry with the plan to oust Cirie at final 4 right?

    • It has to be. TBF: that’s not a bad Final 3 for this season, but I don’t see it happening.

      • Purplerockmatt

        Right i mean Cirie’s final three is probably the same two with her (though she wouldn’t mind if Andrea was there instead). But I also don’t see it happening.

        • the sky is falling

          Based on how it’s gone so far, that would be a miraculously great finish to a disappointing season

          • Diego Armando

            It’s not happening.

    • Tiago

      I think so, like, who would want to take Cirie to the end? (altough I would love to see Cirie in the FTC)

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Aras.

        • Crappy

          And Parvati & Amanda.

      • Violina23

        Woo

    • Roswulf

      It seems like it.

      Though I must say, if I’m Andrea, Aubry is not someone I want next to me at tribal. I’d be looking at subbing in a clearer goat- preferably a Troy-shaped one?

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      She might be planning to work with Sarah at some point, but that seems like a bad plan. Or not. I can’t read people on this season.

    • Violina23

      That’s probably the best we could hope for, but it won’t happen 🙁

  • I pointed this out on Twitter, but Sierra voted with Brad and Troy…basically she went right back to voting with her main alliance.

    • gouis

      Because I don’t think they told her an alternative

      • Yeah, but it kinda disproves the fact that she is with them when she ostensibly goes to them with this great idea to vote out Tai.

        • gouis

          If they were an actual alliance they should have played some idols.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Classic Sierra.

    • purplerockandy

      Tai might’ve been what Andrea and Cirie told her to vote… then she told Brad and Troy.

  • Hornacek

    Random thoughts:

    Previously on Survivor … did you know that Sarah planned that entire vote for Debbie last week? Winner’s edit!

    FFSDT is told that she could be sleeping in a real bed and says “This is not real life.” How does she sleep in real life?

    Who decided that these 4 would lift Troy(zan)? Why in the world isn’t Tai one of the ones being lifted? This team deserved to lose!

    Andrea and Zeke finally solve the puzzle. If only this collaborative win could repair their friendship (it doesn’t).

    Sarah says she’s gonna let the plans develop and then pick a side. Isn’t this exactly what she said she’d do last week? I’m sensing a pattern.

    Andrea wins immunity! All the predictions here had me worried for her.

    Andrea says this plan is “foolproof”. No!!! How can you say you’re a superfan and then say this?

    I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that emotions-on-her-sleeve Michaela would cry after Zeke got voted out, but I didn’t expect it.

    “Game changers.” “Idiots.”

    Tai’s entire alliance voted against him. it was obviously a decoy vote told to them, but he’s gonna need those 2 idols.

    • When they ran this challenge last season, with like 8 people per team, having taller people with longer arms in the chair turned out to be the correct strategy. Guessing Michaela and Zeke informed their teams of that.

      When there’s only 4 of you however, and two of those are Tai and Cirie…maybe less so.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      *FFSDT is told that she could be sleeping in a real bed and says “This is not real life.” How does she sleep in real life?*

      Three beds pushed together.

      • gouis

        real life lol

      • Hornacek

        With her 30 horses in a stable?

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          She’s named each horse after a different one of her game changing moments.

          • Diego Armando

            That’s why they are all named Nothing.

          • But she changes their name like my nieces do with their sheep….hey, that’s what makes her a game changer.

      • Hornacek

        This is as close a I’ve gotten to having a comment be the featured comment. I’ll take it!

  • DrVanNostrand

    Hali and Debbie mocking ‘game changers’ is just unmitigated gall. Hali never got anywhere close to changing shit. And the only change Debbie has made is that she might have unseated Coach and Russell as the most delusional Survivor ever.

    • Max_Jets

      I think Hali was sincere.

      • Alkanarra

        Yeah I wasn’t sure about that either. I think she legitimately was impressed that it was another blindside.

        Debbie was just being Debbie.

        • Purplerockmatt

          Debbie was so happy to find out who turned on her so she knew who not to vote for

          • Mike Hirsch

            Which will be so perfectly Debbie when she votes for Sarah in the end.

          • m0nit0rman

            Oh, God, I just realized we’ll have to endure a Debbie Final Tribal Council Speech.

          • Diego Armando

            Just wait five minutes before watching and fast forward through it.

          • purplerockandy

            Her last one was fine. She called Aubry and Geek Warrior Goddess or something.

      • DrVanNostrand

        I don’t see that side of it either, but at least it’s not galling like the way I interpreted it.

    • the sky is falling

      Uh… Hali was behind Murrica, she’s a no collar, dude. But also a lawyer

  • Mike Hirsch

    When two-time Survivor winner Debbie calls her fellow players idiots, we should definitely take her at her word, based on her expertise and the immaculate way she has been presented to us.

    I do find it interesting though, that in all the discussion about how close Zeke and Brad were becoming, that the talk never turned to “hey, let’s vote out Brad.”

    • Purplerockmatt

      That would have been the middle ground. Remove the ally you think Zeke is cultivating but don’t directly turn on him, make it near impossible for him to turn on you

      • Mike Hirsch

        It could have mitigated the threat and kept Sarah and Michaela more at ease in the same breath. But, hey, I’m not out there.

        • Purplerockmatt

          I was agreeing with that assessment. But I also see them just wanting to get Zeke if they know he is coming for them

          • Mike Hirsch

            Oh, no, I apologize: I was agreeing with your take on it, and adding my thoughts to it.
            But yes, Andrea was right to suspect Zeke was gunning for her, so it ultimately was a good call in that regard.

          • She kind of got a clue when he tried to vote her out two episodes ago, in fairness.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I think that stems from the mindset of “At least we know where Brad stands,” which I never understand because there’s still a non-zero chance Zeke works with you for a few votes

    • DrVanNostrand

      That’s exactly what I thought was going to happen. But, I think it was just personal for Andrea, and the rest of the group went with it. Honestly, this benefits Sarah most of all because she can continue to be in the middle like she wants. I’m not sure it’s the best path to victory, but it’s the one she’s determined to take.

      • Sylvisual

        It’s dangerous for Team Andrea, because both Michaela and Sarah are now in the middle, untethered to anyone.

        • Purplerockmatt

          Michaela is not allied to Cirie?

          • You beat me to it.

          • Hornacek

            TYPING CAT

          • Sylvisual

            Duh, forgot that. But both were close to Zeke.

          • Thirty-five Sandcastles

            We know that she is, but I think Michaela and Cirie are still keeping that on the low low low down low.

            Or maybe they aren’t. Since apparently Michaela was super close to Zeke but who would ever know since the edit has barely shown them exchange so much as a glance

    • wonderand

      It felt to me like they thought Zeke was TRYING more than Brad, both because Brad was from the other alliance (and so should’ve just been frozen out?) and because Football Talk could be perceived as Brad’s default state? (Both of Zeke’s seasons have highlighted his lifelong Oklahoma football fandom and we know Brad loves antiquing, but I don’t know that anyone was thinking about that in the moment.)

    • Baulderstone

      It wasn’t a strategic move. It was just the culmination of Andrea’s obsession with getting revenge on Zeke for…. I don’t even remember what.

      I think it was a dumb move on her part. Alliances are all loose now, and she just made herself look like the most dangerous person in the room between her immunity win and taking out Zeke. And she really isn’t that close with anyone.

      • Diego Armando

        I think she was angry and let paranoia take over. But I legitimately think she was going to go home next if she let Zeke stay. It can be two things. I do not think things are going her way.

        • Baulderstone

          You have a point. This probably wasn’t a great move, but it’s not like she was in a good spot before.

      • Violina23

        I think when she talked about getting Zeke out before Zeke took her out, she was right. The timing was debatable, but I don’t think there are any people who left who won’t entertain switching around alliances moving forward.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          This is fair, but I think she could still end up going home next because she showed herself to be inflexible and weakened the numbers advantage that her side should have been able to coast on for a few votes (not that they would have).

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          I don’t think there’s an “I think” here anymore after Zeke’s final words. He, moments after being voted out, said he was coming for her next. It seems like the right move for Andrea – just not necessarily the right move for Sarah and Michaela, who both lost an ally.

          • susan appleby

            But Zeke would flip on them in a heartbeat to get Andrea out.

          • Hornacek

            This feels a bit like Cagayan where the viewers were saying that Tony voted out LJ much too soon. Then in LJ’s exit interviews he said that he was already planning on flipping on Tony and voting him out and we started saying “Oh. I guess Tony made the right decision.”

        • Thirty-five Sandcastles

          If someone is coming for you, I would think the only way the timing of taking them out is debatable is if you’re waiting too late. Imo it’s never too early to get rid of the person that you know is trying to get rid of you.

          • Well…I’d argue that it was too early a couple of episodes for Zeke to TRY removing Andrea. That’s what really doomed his game…flipping on her ineffectually so that she had a chance to counterattack.

          • Violina23

            I can think of two ways it could be…

            1) If you try, and fail, the element of surprise is now gone and you can no longer blindside. They now have an opportunity to flip other players on YOU. This is what essentially happened to Zeke, the way I saw it.

            2) If you are successful, but don’t have numbers, and don’t have the social connections/trust to break into any cracks on the other side…. if Andrea is out next, this could be why. Brad, Sierra, and Tai could just as easily work with Cirie/Michela as Andrea/Aubry. Honestly, I’m not sure how the chips will fall. But it was a pretty sure thing that Zeke was going to gun for her, so I can’t fault her for this move.

      • Crappy

        This is correct but Zeke and Andrea working together was not an opting going forward. It was simply a matter who was going to pull the trigger first.

        • Anyone else feeling a strong sense of déja vu?

          • Hornacek

            I knew you were going to say that!

    • purplerockandy

      I don’t think anyone wants to vote out Brad. If he wins, an underrated and unshown part of his victory will be everyone deciding they want to go to the end with him when they saw him blow up on an attendant at the airport.

    • susan appleby

      I mentioned above that the players don’t see Brad as a threat to win for whatever reason.

  • gouis

    WHY DID NO ONE PLAY AN IDOL? They had no idea it would be Zeke.

    • Sylvisual

      Final 6 Tribal is gonna be lit at this point.

      • PurpleTally

        Apart from the fact that Tai and Troy and Sierra and Sarah will all save themselves and Cirie will go home.

        • Parvatis2Idols

          Unless she wins individual immunity :’)

          • Sylvisual

            Your immunity challenge today involves…nursing.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Can you show that on network television?

          • Sylvisual

            You get an upvote because I walked right into that.

          • PurpleTally

            She’s an OR nurse, right? So, Survivor: Operation.

          • the sky is falling

            O, R you?

          • Hornacek

            “I like your nurses uniform guy.”

          • Violina23

            How about the *game* “Operation”?

            “Cirie extracts the funny bone for the win!”

          • Considering that the Micronesia FIC involved skills she should have had from being an OR nurse, I don’t think that nursing could be considered a good thing here.

        • wonderand

          OH but what if Sarah steals a vote and puts it on someone with secret immunity and takes herself out? I would enjoy that just from a game mechanics standpoint.

          • Hornacek

            I hope Sarah steals a vote from Tai or Troy(zan) and they immediately play their idol.

        • the sky is falling

          Disappointed upvote

        • susan appleby

          Could easily be Aubry or Micheala or Brad unless Sierra gives him her immunity because she’s booted.

      • gouis

        Probst is going to have to bring out Stephen Hawking to explain it.

      • Three idols, one legacy advantage, one immunity necklace…unlucky number 6 goes home.

        • Max_Jets

          It’ll be even more nonsensical than the Cambodia final 6.

        • Mike Hirsch

          Unless the idols get played sooner?

        • Judson Helland

          Dude the unluckiest ever h.m. Keith at final six

        • purplerockandy

          I will say that if Tai gets to final six with both idols, he’d have to be an idiot to play them both then when he now has a guaranteed pass to the final four.

          Note: I can’t rule out him doing it.

          • PurpleTally

            I can imagine him getting booted at 6, because he was saving his two idols to save himself and one other member of his alliance.

          • I don’t think there’s any chance of it happening, I’m just hoping it does because it would be funny. Unless number 6 is Cirie or something in which case: fuck this shit.

          • Hornacek

            Plus he has a decent shot at winning at least one of those immunities.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Troy I kind of get since Zeke told him he was safe, but why in the world didn’t Tai play one of his?? Even if he was somehow convinced the votes weren’t coming at him, he could have played it for one of his alliance mates or something…..
      I forget – did Tai ever successfully play an idol in Kaoh Rong? The one time we’ve seen him do it successfully in GC was after serious prompting from Brad. Maybe he just really doesn’t understand the game at all?

      • purplerockandy

        He didn’t have to. He saved it for final five, but then Joe was evacuated.

    • susan appleby

      They don’t care about Sierra? Tai might have played one for himself but I guess he didn’t consider his entire alliance voting for him.

  • DrVanNostrand

    Troy: “Is this, like, a hashtag?”
    Production: “NO! Fuck you Troy.”

    • Apparently Troy screwed up his ACL…but no one cared.

      • Sylvisual

        You misspelled “vocabulary”.

      • DrVanNostrand

        Troy: “I hurt my leg back there”
        Joel/Production: “I don’t care”
        Troy: “I know”

    • Baulderstone

      I have never been happier to not see a hashtag appear on the screen, and I am always happy to not see a hashtag on the screen.

      • Mike Hirsch

        I don’t know, for my money, the lack of the “severe gastrointestinal distress” hashtag narrowly beats this one.

      • Hornacek

        I was hoping that only the hashtag symbol would appear onscreen, but then quickly disappear, indicating that even Production knew that hashtag would be stupid.

    • Mike Hirsch

      I noticed after Troy walked back into the lineup, Michaela looked down at her leg as if Troy’s massive dong had just brushed up against it. Then she took a step away from him.

    • m0nit0rman

      I mentioned last week that Troyzan didn’t know what to do when receiving the necklace. It makes sense that he wouldn’t know how to give it back, either.

      • Judson Helland

        Seems weird. He has three or four immunity wins

  • Taako From Teevhii

    So from here out, what’s the best way for Sarah to use her vote steal? She told Cirie with the intention of keeping Zeke around but since she voted for him, does she have to get rid of the one person who knows her advantage? Will that advantage come into play at all this season?

    • DrVanNostrand

      I would say first, any vote that feels iffy. Second, use it to get out a big jury threat late in the game.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Not that she would necessarily know what we know, but it’d definitely trigger some idol plays if she stole Tai or Brad’s vote.

      • Mike Hirsch

        I meant to say “or Troy” and then said “Brad” instead. It’s like my fingers also don’t like Troy.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        That would be an excellent use of the vote steal – use it as a decoy to throw an entire alliance off the scent and hopefully trigger a misplay of an idol. Even better if she can flip the numbers in the process.

        • susan appleby

          Sarah isn’t smart enough to figure that out.

        • That has to be the right way to play it. You absolutely cannot steal the vote from your target – it makes it way too obvious.

    • the sky is falling

      Are you trying to figure out how Sarah wins? You are a monster

    • the sky is falling

      Best way to play it is to give it to cirie

    • Maritimer

      At 5? Can she still use it at 5? If (and its a big if) they Pagong Team Boring, I would use it at 5 to get rid of Cirie or Andrea, with the intent of taking Aubry and Michaela to the end

    • Hornacek

      I said above that I think she may use it against Tai or Troy(zan) and they immediately play their idol, making the vote steal worthless.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Word on the street is that Andrea has reached 100 days played, so good on her for that. I think Cirie passed that milestone a few episodes ago, but I don’t remember if that was mentioned.

    • Mike Hirsch

      I like to visualize this actually happening “on the street.”

      • m0nit0rman

        • Mike Hirsch

          A shame I can only like this once.

        • Hornacek

          I will upvote anything that reminds me about Police Squad!

    • She has…I believe.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Cirie is closing in on Boston Rob’s days played number, she has a very good chance of only being behind Ozzy at the end of the season

      • Kemper Boyd

        3 days and Cirie equals Boston Rob and is second after Ozzie

        • Hornacek

          Does she have to not get voted out next episode for it to count for 3 days, or would that only be 2 days? (assuming next week is a 3-day, 1 person voted out episode)

          • Kemper Boyd

            it starts on day 1 as 1 so i think she’s safe now

    • Hornacek

      Same street where Jeff Probst gets all his feedback from viewers.

      Different street than the one where Troy(zan) was told that he played like Richard Hatch.

      • Maritimer

        I’m sorry, but this is a thing Troy claimed someone or multiple someones said to him?

        • Hornacek

          During the One World reunion, Jeff asked him what the reaction was by fans, and he said that people were telling him that they loved his game and how he played like Richard Hatch.

    • purplerockandy

      She hasn’t reached 100 yet, but will next episode.

  • NearlyNina

    The extent to which Jeff was forced to give out hints as to the word puzzle/justify the phrase used was ridiculous and sad. Can we stop doing this production? It’s really freaking boring!

    I wonder if getting 3 votes this Tribal will affect Tai’s game play? All of his allies voted for him. Which, to be fair, he voted for Sierra, but still can’t have felt all that great.

    Get on Survivor plan:
    – Get US citizenship
    – Practise puzzles, throwing things at things, and balancing things on things
    – Learn how to make fire
    – Learn about sports to improve bonding opportunities

    • the sky is falling

      I would add, be a personality. a Debbie, coach, Phillip gets on easily

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Every once in a while someone says something and I think, why don’t I try out for Survivor?

      • DrVanNostrand

        I think Nina’s list was about how to do well on Survivor. Unfortunately, your plan is the correct way to get invited back.

    • susan appleby

      Also swim.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I practiced slide puzzles for the hell of it after Rob C said it’s one of the things Sandra does on her phone all the time. Turns out slide puzzles are pretty easy once you’ve done like 10 of them.

  • Diego Armando

    Well, that fun was short lived. I don’t know if this was a good or bad move by Andrea. I think in a bubble, it was good, since this put Sarah on the spot and forced her to have to give up Zeke. If Andrea didn’t make that move she likely would go home next week. However, due to my reading of the edit (I have been really bad at it this season, so who knows if this is right), I think she still goes home next week. It seems like Sierra is around for a long haul and the show hates that. Brad is still winning this season.

    • Violina23

      I’m putting Sarah’s odds over Brad at this point.

      • Judson Helland

        Why? What early season evidence is there for Sarah that there is for Brad?

        • Violina23

          More an edit-based feeling at this point. Sarah is really working the group, Brad is just kinda… there. But after OWM, anything is possible and a Brad win would be far from shocking either.

      • sharculese

        There was another female player from a recent season who was featured making a ton of crucial decisions but wasn’t rewarded by the jury. She’s actually on this season, too, but it’s understandable that you’d forget she was there.

        • susan appleby

          But these jurors arent bitter assholes who bully and demean women 1/3 of their size. Also it hurt Aubrey that everyone knew that juror elimination thing would have been an immunity challenge if Joe hadn’t been evacuated. Michelle would have voted out Aubry.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Oh yeah, Buffy reference: this episode was kind of dull, so it reminds me of either the episode Older and Farther Away or As You Were, because I don’t remember which one was which, and neither was particularly interesting. Or it reminds me of Entropy, an episode that I’m not entirely convinced exists.

    • Violina23

      Oh wow, this feels like a test…

      Older and farther away… Is that where Dawn makes a weird wish with that other Anya-lite demon? I can’t even remember what the wish was…

      As you were… The episode where Riley returns and he had a super spy wife and the entire propose is for Buffy to feel she’s failing at life?

      Entropy…. I’ve got nothing. That’s not the one where Tara is shot at the end, is it?

      • Mike Hirsch

        I think you’re right on the first two, but like I said, I get them confused. So I’m not sure.
        Tara got shot at the end of Seeing Red.

        • Violina23

          Damnit, now I need to look it up or else it’s going to bug me…

          • Mike Hirsch

            Just watch Smile Time instead. Better all-around than season 6 Buffy.

          • Violina23

            My biggest problem with smile time is that it ends with the Fred/Wesley reconciliation and the next episode is “A Hole in the World” and I’m not crying, you’re crying…

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I refuse to discuss said episode that contains the quote “There’s a hole in the world.. feels like we ought to have known.” Because it will get dusty real fast.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Angel made some odd decisions with its characters, Illyria being one of the weirder ones, but I did like the scene in the finale that it led to, kind of an manifestation of Giles’ graveyard chat in Lie To Me.

          • Violina23

            That finale scene was utterly heartbreaking. And it was very poetic for Wesley. His character was probably the one that changed the most, and it was all very organic. The juxtaposition with Angel NOT changing at ALL is good stuff.

            I didn’t enjoy the whole Illyria thing as much as some friends of mine did, but I think I was just too mad at Joss for the whole thing that I couldn’t bring myself to accept her as a legitimate “part of the team”.

            There were moments though… “I wish to do more violence”.

            I think I was most disappointed with what they did to Cordelia’s character in season 4, but at least they had the one episode in Season 5 (“You’re welcome?”) to kinda try to redeem her.

            God, Season 4 was terrible.

          • Mike Hirsch

            To this day I still haven’t watched season 4 except for the Faith episodes and the finale. I checked out mid-season 3. But yeah, from what I gathered from most of my friends, season 4 was terrible and “Was Joss mad at Charisma Carpenter or something?”

          • Violina23

            I know her real life pregnancy threw a wrench in things, but oy…

          • Something Quirky

            I also was not as into Illyria as most people.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          Let’s not talk about Seeing Red because I will be forced to curl up into a tiny ball.

      • Is Entropy the one with the problematic bathroom scene?
        EDIT: Nope, that is also Seeing Red

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      Doublemeat Palace maybe? Because the everyday boredom is hell theme?

      • Violina23

        Such a terrible episode. But probably still better than “Teacher’s Pet”

  • PRP: Debbie, you have no classic Survivor moments.
    Debbie: Hold my beer, idiots.

  • Diego Armando

    I get the feeling that the editors have decided to make and Andrea invisible and then spiteful is a punishment for her turning on Team Fun and forcing them to have to give time to Sierra Dawn Thomas.

  • indescribable hat

    You guys. I haven’t seen the episode yet because for the second or third time since getting CBS All-Access I forgot to watch the episode live because I’m so unaccustomed to watching TV this way. It’s very challenging.

    • tocantins

      It is really annoying that they take so long to put it on demand. How long can it take to just put it on the website. Watching it at 8pm is hard for me, but I would like to watch it at 9 or 10pm, and be able to join the discussion here. But I always have to wait for the next morning.

      • indescribable hat

        I think they’re trying to push people to watch it live, but I’m a little surprised it isn’t available faster with All Access. They already have my money, you know? I always used to watch it the next morning and not wanting to miss the discussion here is why I wanted access to it sooner.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    That was a pretty fun episode I guess, all things considered. I was influenced enough by the nearly unanimous predictions that Andrea was going that I was really shocked when she won immunity! Unfortunately, given her prominence in the edit so far this season, I just wasn’t buying that Sierra was going anywhere this time. So once it came down to Sierra or Zeke I felt like it was pretty inevitable that Zeke would be leaving. At this point I’m almost ready to lock in a prediction of Brad, Sierra and Sarah in the final 3, but it will be interesting to see how they get there. For the winner, I’d say it’s still a toss up between Sarah and Brad, but thinking about how many people Sarah has already betrayed and how many more she will likely have to in order to get to the end, she may be in trouble in a final vote. I’m pretty much ruling out Sierra because of the hubris edit she was getting during her run as sheriff after the merge, but maybe people will appreciate that she was calling the shots for a while? In some ways Brad (and to a certain extent Sierra) really lucked out by losing their number advantage because they will get to play the underdogs for at least a few votes as they scramble back to the top.
    Anyway, I’m always terrible at predicting the outcome of seasons so I’m sure I’m completely wrong about all of this :S

    • Diego Armando

      Brad. Brad will beat Sarah in that Final 3.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Yeah, you talked me into it.

        • Diego Armando

          Debbie will not vote Sarah. Troy would vote Brad because he is a man. Ozzy would vote Brad because he is a challenge dude. Hali was closer to Brad than she was to Sarah or Sierra. Tai is close to Brad. Zeke is a toss up. Andrea will likely be pissed at Sarah for voting her out.

          • Mike Hirsch

            I feel like it’s too early to call.

          • DrewS96

            Edgic wise Sarah has more votes in her favor. Troy and Debbie are the only very likely Brad votes

          • susan appleby

            I would have thought he might get Tai until he betrayed Tai tonight.

          • susan appleby

            Ozzy and Brad have nothing in common. He’s not voting for Brad. He probably has only contempt for Brad.
            Hali will not vote for Brad, she tried to get him voted out.
            Brad just wrote Tais name down so I’m thinking he votes Sarah.

            Andrea hasn’t been voted out by Sarah and could easily be the victim of an idol. She is closer to Sarah than Brad.

            Debbie will vote Brad.

      • DrewS96

        Brad’s edit really tanked and Sarah’s is spotless. Everyone is my Edgic group has called Sarah as the winner and Brad a likely FTC loser. At this point we are working on the other FTC loser and final juror predictions. It’s crazy there hasn’t been this kind of unanimous opinion in the group on a winner since Mike.

        • corndogshuffle

          Uh oh, someone mentioned edgic. I’m lighting my torch, will grab my pitchfork on the way out.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Burn the witch

          • MsFjordstone

            Because fire represents your life in the angry mob.

        • DrVanNostrand

          Edgic:
          make funny GIFs like this at MakeaGif

        • Diego Armando

          You did not need Edgic to see Mike winning.

          • Nope, you just needed to watch at least three episodes of Worlds Apart

          • Hornacek

            I had never heard of Edgic during WA and it was obvious to me that Mike was winning.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Frankly if you claim Edgic works you need to be able to call the winner at this point. It’s when they call it week 2 that we all want them to shut up and go away.

        • Hornacek

          The fact that Sarah is making promises to multiple players by swearing on her kids’ lives (according to Ozzy and Debbie’s exit interviews) but the show is not showing us these scenes makes me think that Production is trying to make Sarah’s winner’s edit appear “heroic”.

          • Figaro

            Which is weird though seeing as she specifically wanted to “play like a criminal”. You’d think the producers would actually show her doing ‘criminal’-esque things to show her strategy worked.

          • Hornacek

            Unless she wins and they want to try to frame her win as “heroic” and “pure”. Have we ever seen a female winner who lied and betrayed people as much as Tony did?

        • tocantins

          Brad’s edit the last couple of episodes have been low-key, but this week he had a phenomenal episode.

          • Hornacek

            Really? This week?

          • tocantins

            He had a lot of confessionals; he also had a whole “arc” where he started the episode by saying, “Well, I’m screwed now,” and then we got to see him playing his social game to the point that by the middle of episode he was already saying, “Wow, it was tough, and I worked a lot, but now I’m okay!”. He even got a really traditional winner-quote by saying, “Brad is playing this game to win!”

          • Hornacek

            Hmm, that’s a stretch. The only part of the show that showed him actually making moves was socializing with Zeke at the reward, and that was completely portrayed as Zeke making the move, not Brad. And it helped lead to Zeke getting voted out, so any gains Brad made in that reward socializing were completely wiped out.

            Yes, he did realize that he was at the bottom but besides the socializing, we didn’t really see him do anything to get him out of it. Was he doing stuff? Probably, but we’re talking about what we saw on the episode. He was approached at the end and thought that he was in a new alliance, but that fell apart even before the vote since he was given a decoy target.

            Brad didn’t make any bad moves, but he didn’t make any good moves either. It’s a bit of reach to say that he had a phenomenal episode.

      • susan appleby

        Not a chance!

    • Judson Helland

      I don’t know that its Sarah though. I’d say she’s 4th or 5th. Troyzan makes it with brad and maybe sierra or tai

    • tocantins

      I do think that Sierra is a big underdog at this point, but I don’t see how people can keep calling her arrogant after this episode. She was the humblest of the humble throughout everything. (Of course, that is easier when you are on the bottom.)

      • Being able to fake being humble when you are on the bottom and need to beg for your life in no way precludes you from being smug and arrogant when you’re on top.

  • jersey_luck

    Credit to Debbie, even when on the jury she was one strongest personalities in this episode. Like her or hate her she makes things memorable.

    • susan appleby

      But only in an ugly way. She never elevates or enhances in a positive way.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Debbie said on Twitter that she was throwing Sarah a Spock “live long and prosper” sign, which is really weird and random whether it’s true or not (why would production blur it? Licensing fees?).

      • Hornacek

        They showed her doing the Vulcan hand sign during her Ponderosa video and they didn’t blur it out.

      • Maritimer

        If its true, it may have simply been because pissed off crazy Debbie is the story production has rolled with for two seasons so they wanted to stick to it

      • purplerockandy

        Star Trek is a CBS property now.

        Also, Debbie lies about everything.

      • jersey_luck

        CBS owns the Star Trek, so I think they wanted to imply that Debbie was giving Sarah the middle finger.

    • tocantins

      I really laughed out loud when said, “Idiots.” Best moment of the episode. Debbie <3

  • Judson Helland

    Is the scene with zeke and brad to justify why zeke votes for brad in ftc?

    • Diego Armando

      That could be true. I think it might just be justification for Zeke’s vote out.

    • sharculese

      It’s equally possible that Zeke’s reflexive response to meeting someone who played Division I football is “please be my friend forever,” and that’s an adorable Zeke-ism that needs to be highlighted.

      • It’s also a somewhat Oklahoma thing to be invested in college football more than professional football.

        • sharculese

          It’s a southern thing in general, and Oklahoma is sort-of an honorary part of the south.

      • I would’ve geeked out over football with Chris from last season. Then I would have voted him out and said “This one is for the Hurricanes” and thrown up the U. I probably would’ve even put the U on the vote. Because when I troll, I troll hard.

    • susan appleby

      no it was to show that Zeke would be the first to flip on the 6 and needed to go.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I loved how awkward Brad’s initial approach was – he seemingly just blurted out a reference to a random college football game. It makes me wonder if he and Monica are big Survivor fans who watch every season (and would thus know that Zeke is an Oklahoma football fan) or if Zeke had mentioned football in previous conversations and Brad was trying to capitalize on that. It was just an odd moment but it was cute that it paid off.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        This season started filming before last season aired. I think either Zeke directed the conversation there or he mentioned that he grew up in Oklahoma, and from there it’s only a couple of steps to talking about college football.

      • Judson Helland

        To your comment, I think brad does watch survivor, but remember, zekes season haven’t aired yet

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          Oh yeah, you’re totally right…so I guess it must have come up organically at some point prior in the season.

    • tocantins

      Or to justify why Brad is such an amazing Survivor player and one of the best winners ever!

      • Judson Helland

        To be fair, brad would not be an exciting winner. We would however be a very strong winner because he has played exactly the game he should play

        • tocantins

          I was only partially sarcastic on the first message: I do think that Brad is playing a good game, and I wouldn’t be disappointed at all if he won.

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    True story: I just had a rusty nail go through my Chucks and into my foot because I was following a meowing cat down a ditch behind the bar I go to. It really felt like it needed my help. I think it was actually leading me to my death.

    For a minute there I honestly thought it was going to take me to a dead body.

    • TheForRealDeal
      • Purplerockmatt

        fiddle-dee-dee that will require a tetanus shot

    • susan appleby

      Have you had a recent tetanus booster?

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Four, five years ago…

        • Violina23

          You might need another one… feel better! That is painful stuff…

    • StormofCuteness

      This is a fucking scary true story!

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        And a tad bit painful.

    • StormofCuteness

      PS Is the cat okay?

      PPS Are you okay?

      😉

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        I’m going to go up there tomorrow (today) and go look around during the daytime. I should be fine. I tweeted a picture of the cat but I can’t figure out how to post it here.

        • Look for kittens?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            It has to be kittens. But why would it lead me to her kittens?

          • You’re the father and she wants child support?

          • Occam’s razor.

      • Hornacek

        Although I hope @SNPalsy:disqus is ok, I like your priorities

  • UseYourCommonSense

    Sarah is 100% winning this season. People who think Brad is winning need to read the exit interviews. Hali said she had no idea Brad had strategic thoughts, the kiss of death when it comes to winning chances. Ozzy said he WANTED to go to the end with Brad because no one would give him the money because he was rich. Even Debbie confirmed that people were aware of Brad’s wealth and didn’t want to give him the money because of that (she would be the only vote Brad would get in the end). Natalie A on RHAP said she heard from alumni that Brad’s winning edit is fake.

    Sarah 100% won this season, it’s as obvious as Kim or Mike. No one else is even a contender.

    • Max_Jets

      This post has really improved all our lives. We’ve been spending our valuable time watching the show just to find out the winner but the case has been cracked: Sarah has won! Cancel the remaining podcasts and I’ll see you all next season!

      • Max_Jets

        Tip for anyone planning on digging into older seasons: don’t bother. The winners are listed on Wikipedia.

        • Hornacek

          Damn you, Survivor wiki!

      • Roswulf

        I have the same kind of aggressively negative response to this post, and I can’t really justify it. I suppose it’s the elevation of extratextual material over the show in a way that I don’t personally enjoy, but also don’t personally understand enjoying.

        I like the way that Survivor tells stories. I like using that as the framework for how I understand the show. That means I’m tolerant of edit reading- even the pseudoscientific edit reading of Edgic- but alienated by a comment like “Natalie A on RHAP said she heard from alumni that Brad’s winning edit is fake.”

        But obviously CommonSense enjoys the show differently from usn’s and that’s OK…even if it leaves me rooting very hard against Sarah.

        • Max_Jets

          I can justify it, because it’s so clearly not how everyone wants to enjoy the show so to have it waved in everyone’s face is obnoxious. I get the edit reading to an extent – someone could probably point to one of my posts that talk about the edit or something and prove me to be a hypocrite in some way. But the “YOU MUST SEE IT THIS WAY” attitude I can’t really take. I know it’s dumb to get worked up over, but thank you for your support vent.

          • susan appleby

            Almost all of the posts in this comment section refer to the edit in some way. If it bothers you that Edgic claims they are always right just mention Ken and Spencer.

        • Mike Hirsch

          It might be that it’s said with such finality, as if it is a done deal, as if there aren’t several episodes remaining. Said with an assuredness that borders on smug superiority, a “how dare you have any other opinions than this” sort of underlying vibe. As if Debbie was speaking, actually.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I;m starting to feel Sarah is winning but I’m not interested in edit based absolutes.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Same and same.

          • Violina23

            Only a Jedi deals in absolutes….

            #SorryNotSorry

      • UseYourCommonSense

        Sorry! But I just think it’s blatantly obvious at this point. Blame the editors, they’re not even trying to hide it!

        • Roswulf

          Isn’t your argument explicitly that we should dismiss Brad’s edit due to exit interviews and gossip?

      • Hornacek

        What will I do with all this extra time?

        • Porn.

          • Ok, but what will I do with all my previous porn time?

          • Read a book.

          • purplerockandy

            More porn.

          • Violina23

            The internet is really really great…

          • Hornacek

            Way ahead of you.

    • sharculese

      Hali Ford, a person known for voting for a winner based on their being a savvy strategist.

      • UseYourCommonSense

        Hali wants to vote for someone who is a strategist though she said that in her Ponderosa video and exit interviews. The criteria fits Sarah’s game 100%.

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      I mean, if Debbie said it, it must be true.

      You have a different viewing experience than I do, and that’s totally okay. I tend not to put too much stock into exit interviews because it takes away from enjoyment the story being told on the show, and also, they can be very wrong or intentionally misleading. Sarah is getting a good edit on the show I’m watching. So is Brad. So is Cirie. Other people are getting complex edits that could be winner edits. Some people are basically invisible (I miss you, Aubry).
      To say that nobody else is a contender is gddamn ridiculous though. Maybe Brad isn’t, but you’re straight up assuring that Sarah makes it to the final 3 and wins. She can’t win if she doesn’t get there.

      • UseYourCommonSense

        Debbie confirmed what Ozzy said about wanting to sit next to Brad in the F3. No juror would say that about a winner. It sucks that it’s so obvious but realistically, edit wise, no one else has a shot. Cirie would be getting a much more prominent edit if she won.

    • susan appleby

      Do those exit interviews spoil that Sarah is in the final 3? Because I haven’t heard any spoiler of final 3 in exit interviews. People are assuming Sarah.
      If you think mealy mouthed evasive Sarah who just voted out her “ride or die” in Zeke, because Andrea and Cirie wanted it , is playing a dominant game, I strongly disagree.

      • UseYourCommonSense

        Her game isn’t similar to Kim or Mike but the obviousness of her winner edit is for sure. No one else is getting the winner edit she is so who else could it be? It’s not Brad and no one else even remotely has a winner edit.

    • UseYourCommonSense

      I would just like to clear something up. I DO NOT use edgic. I have no idea what OTTP or any of that crap even means. I just can’t watch an edited show and forget its a heavily edited show so I pay attention to edit and I read exit interviews. Also I did not pick Ken as a winner pick I was very uninterested in last season, before the finale I picked David or Adam as the winner and posted that on my twitter account, I didn’t narrow it down because I didn’t care much that season. There’s more to discuss in a season than the winner so from my perspective why not be honest about the reality? I apologize if it came off as smug that was not my intention.

    • Kemper Boyd

      EXIT INTERVIEWS AREN’T CANON.

      But also I think Brad is just around a lot because he got done over in the edit last time and he’s the last remaining man, maybe comnig 4th.

    • Hornacek

      It’s worth repeating that according to exit interviews, Sarah is making a lot of promises by swearing on her kids’ lives, but we are not being shown it. Is the show trying to build up Sarah’s “heroic” winner’s edit?

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I don’t follow much exit press, but after sleeping on it, I do think that Sarah is the most viable winner candidate within the bounds of the edit at this point, as well. She has had steady, positive visibility and gets a ton of credit for every move she’s even remotely involved in. Also, people seek her out for strategic discussion – to the extent that it almost seemed like Cirie was asking her permission to vote out Zeke last episode.
      Sure, Brad has had a pretty positive edit, but it’s more about his personality, hobbies and family than anything that he’s really doing in the game.
      Another thing that we should remember is that the post-merge has been pretty stacked with strong, strategic women (plus Hali, lol) so if Sarah gets to the end, we might end up seeing a jury that is very comfortable awarding a cutthroat power playing woman the win, even if she’s up against Brad in FTC. She might even be better off going to FTC with two of the remaining men, since that means more women like Aubry and Cirie on the jury, who will hopefully value her game play.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I’m holding out hope that Sarah’s being featured so much because she’s the only one with ties to both sides, so she has kind of a bird’s-eye view of the game that nobody else does. Cirie and Aubry, among others, would obviously be better narrators than gormless Officer Sarah, but now that Zeke is gone, nobody else on Team Fun has much insight on Team Boring and vice versa.

    • tocantins

      This week when Sarah admitted at TC that she flipped, we got to see Debbie’s face, and she wasn’t happy. That doesn’t look good for Sarah’s chances. (At least Debbie’s vote she sure as hell is not getting.)

      About the other two, I don’t see Hali as caring so much about strategy, and Ozzy I can absolutely see voting for Brad, since for all we see he is good at camp and challenges and surviving in general. (Besides, he is damn likeable.)

      About Natalie A, either that is a real spoiler (and it shouldn’t be here nor in RHAP), or I don’t really understand how a winning edit can be “fake”.

  • cazkaye

    Just finished listening to the last wiggle room.
    Josh: Tai could play his idol or Troy could misplay his. Like there’s no chance Troy could ever play his idol correctly.

    • I am leaning towards Troy not playing it at all.

      • cazkaye

        Not as fun as him boldly playing it like ‘of course they’re all voting for me, I’m obviously the biggest threat.’ then just being completely wrong. But I’ll take not playing it at all.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Leave poor Troy alone. He is the best!

      • Hornacek

        Or he only plays it when Sarah steals his vote.

  • sharculese

    Haaaavve… we seen Aubry bust out that skirt before this episode? I’m starting to feel like the conversation was-

    Costuming: How many garments with geometric patterns do you own?
    Aubry: Oh, god, so many.
    Costuming: Bring all of them. All. Of. Them.

  • sharculese

    Sarah didn’t call it a vampire vote; she is dead to me.

  • Blurry Denzel

    So I had to take a fireball shot after Zeke got eliminated. Between that and the additional drinking I was already doing, I’m too inebriated for coherent thoughts about this episode. Well, one thought I do want to get out is Andrea, Aubry, Cirie and Michaela are still safe, fuckers!!

    • Violina23

      I’m impressed by the coherence of the comment though. Good job! Have fun storming the castle!

    • Kemper Boyd

      You ok now buddy?

      • Blurry Denzel

        Yeah, I’m fine, but I do have a hangover and a craving for big greasy burger.

  • PurpleTally

    I have resorted to including names of Game Changers players into my word problems just to keep from going crazy doing all of this grad school stuff. Hopefully the person grading my portfolio won’t pick up on the connection between Malcolm, Sandra, Tony, and Cirie.

  • Prom King

    Poor Trust Clusters, ousted from the game for playing people like chess pieces. An addiction to showy but pointless (but fun! for me at least) BIG MOVEZ eventually ended his game, like it has ended a bunch of players’ games this season. Ironic that the season is called “Game Changers” when nearly everyone who tries to change the current game is quickly eliminated. But really, for such a superfan, it sometimes felt like the only season Zeke ever studied was his own season. Survivor is littered with the fallen bodies of gamers who treat players like chess pieces. He should have known that.

    I enjoyed that speech from Andrea during tribal, that was real and also relevant to why many people have lost. But my favorite part of tribal was being impressed and surprised at how good Tai is at keeping his composure. I didn’t figure he would have a good poker face. Also, Michaela sobbing was moving and made me wish we had seen more of her relationship with Zeke.

    Sarah shared her secret with Cirie but it still didn’t help her get her way. Maybe that will mean people won’t consider her a game changer and so now she’s safe?

    Does anyone on this site ever think that Cirie has a chance? It makes me a wee bit sad that the foregone conclusion is that she won’t be there at the end. Journey Edit kiss of death? Weird that in her time on Survivor she has received two of them. Weird but wonderful because everything that features Cirie is wonderful. But what would be the most wonderful thing of all would be a win.

    • susan appleby

      Yes Cirie has a strong chance and she would be my winner pick outside of the buzzsaw waiting for her of immune players that she can’t account for properly.

      • Prom King

        I know right? There are so many of them. Tai, Sierra, Sarah, Troyzan. That’s too many! It’s nerve wracking for a Cirie fan. But at least she now has Sarah’s number.

    • tocantins

      I think that with what we saw of Cirie, she could win. But she won’t, because we know Brad is going to. (Or at the very least Sarah.)

  • turgid_legume

    Okay, here’s a question for all of you: what would redeem this season? A Cirie win would be the best possible outcome at this point, and it’s not even completely out of the bounds of reason, but she’s got a long way to climb to get there. An Aubry win would be awesome, but based on the edit that’s just not in the cards. Sarah winning seems the most likely, and that’s a big meh for me. At least we don’t seem to have to worry about Troy winning, as he’s getting the Cowboy Rick treatment.

    • Prom King

      Eh, it’s a good season to me. I’m in the minority here on this, but I’ve enjoyed each episode, for varying reasons. Fun characters like Sandra, Tai, etc. dominating certain episodes. Exciting blindsides and amusing blunders. Intensity of Zeke/Varner episode. A lot of Cirie being emotional and real and still very strategic. Little moments here and there with Michaela and Brad. This last episode was probably the most boring of the season for me, and it still had a nice Zeke blindside.

      The only time I’ve been seriously annoyed was during Debbie’s tantrum. Well, Debbie in general. I’ve been disappointed at seeing so little of Aubry, but eventually got over it because outside of that one awesome eyeroll last episode, not much of what I have seen from her has been compelling or entertaining, so… shrug. And those are both small issues in what I think has been a solid mid-range season. If Cirie wins, it goes even higher.

      I do have a nervous feeling of this season quickly plummeting in quality if Cirie or Michaela get voted out anytime in the near future, because the rest of the cast isn’t amazing (except for Tai, who is always fun). But the rest of the cast aren’t duds either, except Sierra. Anyway, that hasn’t happened so no need for me to worry about something that has yet to occur. Good ride so far, still looking forward to every episode.

      • Prom King

        EDIT, 10 hours later: “…except Sierra AND TROYZAN”

        I can’t believe I overlooked him. Well actually I can believe it.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      For me, all the damage was done in the pre-merge, unfortunately. I haven’t actually minded the post-merge that much, but it’s like they dangled the fun players (Sandra, Tony, Malcolm) in front of us and then took them away. I’ve said it before, but I think this would be a more palatable season, strangely, if they had only cast B level players instead of sprinkling in some legends only for them to get dispatched early or be entirely ignored by the pre-merge edit.
      Looking forward, I think a Cirie/Andrea/Aubry/Michaela dominant run to the end would be the best possible ending, but I seriously doubt that’s happening. Of the viable endings I see for this season, I suppose a Sarah win would be okay. There’s also something amusing about the idea of Brad, of all people, going to the end with two clashing ‘power players’ (Sierra and Sarah) and pulling out a win because he was more likable and didn’t play as hard. Then again, that would sort of require a bitter jury and I’m not a big fan of bitter jury finales…

      • tocantins

        I actually don’t mind this season: I don’t think it is one of the best, but certainly neither one of the worst. I feel that the reason most people are really down on this season is exactly the one you mentioned: they came to this season hyper-hyped, expecting to see their favorite players like Tony, Sandra, and Cirie clashing in glory for the win. And that just didn’t happen. (And to be a little snarky: it was never going to happen.)

        But if you look at this almost as a non-returnee season (and to be honest, people like Sierra, and in lesser degree Brad and Sarah, are basically first-time players for us), then it is actually enjoyable, and better than some other recent seasons so far.

    • Kemper Boyd

      The pre-merge was really fun, even as our favs got slayed. If Cirie or Michaela wins I would really like it. Although Colin Stone would be right and that would suck.

    • Roswulf

      I would actually be fine with a Sarah win (over, say, Michaela and Tai)…provided it happened in a dramatically satisfying manner. And the easiest way to get there would be Cirie seizing control of the game Sandra-style in the next few weeks.

      Basically, I’m hoping for Panama. Our expectations going in were higher than that, but Panama was pretty good!

    • Ms_Woozah

      If Cirie and Michaela make it to the finale or close to it, I would be happy. I even don’t mind Sarah and Brad that much! If Sierra or Troy win though, I’m over it.

      • Judson Helland

        Ditto

      • Purplerockmatt

        Michaela will be in the final episode, book it

        • Hornacek

          Well, if she’s on the jury then that’s a given.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      I don’t like being that results-oriented about it. A superfan saying “I just want Cirie to win” without elaborating on it isn’t any better than a casual saying “I just want Malcolm to win”. While of course I would rather have a Cirie win than, say, a FFSDT win, regardless of who the winner is, they need to do something awesome to redeem the season. I’m definitely “meh” about a President Lacina win, but at least she’s attempting a very difficult strategy, and her path to the end just got more difficult. I would be satisfied with her winning if she pulled off some Natalie Anderson style badassery.

      What I’m really afraid of is that regardless of who wins, they just bounce to the end Bob Crowley style as a result of the idols and advantages taking people out semi-randomly.

      • Roswulf

        ‘A superfan saying “I just want Cirie to win” without elaborating on it
        isn’t any better than a casual saying “I just want Malcolm to win”.’

        While true, I think both of these are largely legitimate critiques of the show. If the editors can’t create interest in a viewer beyond wanting a single favorite to win, that means they’ve failed in their job (or it’s Worlds Apart….because what choice did they have? And even there we wanted to watch the bad guys lose)

        Now personally, I still have process things keeping me engaged. I want Cirie to win, but I also want to watch her scheme scheme, and I want to see what Tai does with his idols, and I want to see where Andrea’s story leads (a downfall, surely, but it could be an interesting downfall), and I want to see Michaela do literally anything. But I’ll admit that I am struggling with the fact that the show wants me to like Brad and Sarah…and I don’t find them fun to watch.

    • Super duper fan

      I actually like this season, while it’s definetely the lowest from Cambodia onwards. I don’t know what specifacally would need to happen to make this 11-15 place for me is a Cirie win, Michaela win or a REALLY entertaining Sarah win ala Natalie A. (I actually like Sarah this season, but she still needs to do some really good game moves to make her win 100% satisfiying, and not only 60-70%).

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        This is exactly where I am with this season. Slightly below the median, but with a little upside (but also with considerable downside now that we have more idols and advantages than votes to use them in).

    • Diego Armando

      A tie vote between Brad and Sarah for winner. Then we could finally answer that mystery.

      • Super duper fan

        I wonder when (and if) we’ll get a tied jury vote. And what will have to be done to break it.

        • giorgos

          I think in a final 3 it must be pretty easy. Either the people that voted for the person who’s 3d revote, or even better 3d place goat with no votes has to vote for a winner. That would be hilarious.

          What I can’t imagine is how they would break a final-2 tie. Amanda-Parvati was the only time it could happen, but how do you break that tie? They fight each other?

          • Judson Helland

            Yes!! Bring back woo for it! #neveragain

          • Roswulf

            I love the idea that Woo settles all final 2 ties.

          • Hornacek

            I wager 400 quatloos on the newcomer.

      • Judson Helland

        Yeah but third place in that scenario is probably tai or troy so we know who they vote for if that is indeed the tiebreaker

    • giorgos

      I don’t dislike the season up to this point. The pre-merge had too many great moments to write it off as “my faves went home, this season sucks” and the post-merge has been decent enough until now. That said the last episode was a pretty strong argument for the people that are saying this season sucks. It should have been exciting with another vote where the new majority turns on itself and a big personality goes out but it felt like a non-event. Mostly because half the remaining cast has zero charisma and some of the people that have, I guess aren’t important enough for the endgame to be featured (Aubry, Tai).

      I think if Sarah or Brad which are the 2 “realistic” winner picks go to the end and win without too much of their game from here on out feeling quincidental because of other peoples idols and advantages, we will agree over time that it was an ok season.

      If Cirie manages to slay all those mediocre people to an unlikely win against all those idols and vampire votes and legacy advantagies everyone is doing an 180 and the season becomes great in hindsight. But that ain’t happening. So I guess we’ll have to root for Brad or Sarah to be …competent.

    • purplerockandy

      An Aubry win would be one of the worst possible outcomes for me at this point, tbh. It would be an storytelling failure bordering on criminal.

      • turgid_legume

        In an alternative universe, Aubry is full of sass and hilariously narrates the entire season like a lady-Cochran. I want to go to there.

      • Blurry Denzel

        Believe it or not, I agree 100%. I would be happy for her that she won but it would overshadowed by how pissed I would be at the show for fucking up the story completely.

        • Max_Jets

          I’m already pissed enough without knowing where she ends up!

          • Blurry Denzel

            Same here

  • Maritimer

    I just want to emphasize one more time how much I wish the pre-jury trip was being filmed and aired

    Once, on the pre-jury trip, I seriously hurt myself skinny dipping. I blame Ciera for this, because tequila.— Malcolm Freberg (@MalcolmWHW) May 3, 2017

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    • Violina23

      I just want to respond to additionally emphasize how much I miss Malcolm’s presence on the show.

  • Head Architect Sylvia

    I think the chairlift part of that reward challenge is quite unique. I really like it. It’s a shame it was once again deemed utterly pointless as the word puzzle took an hour or so. Again. As soon as I saw the phrase I let out a sigh. Why do they still do these so often? All the catchphrases are gone, Jeff! Hopefully the chairlift component gets combined with something else next time.

    Interested to see if Tai finds out it was Brad/Sierra/Troyzan who voted for him. Surely he will and I’m actually really interested to see how he reacts to his core alliance throwing him under the bus like that.

    Also I do not think the editing of all the strategy talk before each tribal has been very good this season at all. A quick confessional about why all the votes were on Tai would have been nice. The surprise factor of seeing his name didn’t even really work very well because he was safe anyway.

    Losing more and more interest each episode. If Michaela got as much screen time as Sarah each episode I would definitely be a lot happier.

    • Roswulf

      The catchprases could work again if they kept them SHORT. And it would be fine to reuse them- it would reward the players with comprehensive knowledge of Survivor in a way that would look cool on TV.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I completely agree with everything you’ve said 🙂
      I thought the puzzle was way too hard, and if they wanted the players to do a puzzle that took them over an hour then they shouldn’t have bothered with such as exciting first half of the challenge. If they want to lean in to a really hard puzzle like this, someday they should use it for one of the challenges where the players have choices. Like, you can run this grueling obstacle course and then do an easy puzzle, or you can run this super easy obstacle course and do the hardest puzzle of all time. That wouldn’t be so bad, since there would be more to watch. Plus the puzzles might actually go faster if the players aren’t physically exhausted.

      As for the weird edit leaving out key strategy, this has been bugging me all season. I felt like Sierra being the decoy in this episode was a mistake, since it never really felt to me like she was in real danger. I wish we had at least seen Brad/Troy/Sierra discussing why they put their votes on Tai. I’m sure they had multiple confessionals from Tai talking about whether or not he should play his idol, so all of that could have created some actual tension instead of ‘everyone wants to vote Zeke but I’m not sure’ followed by no scenes of any other plans actually being discussed :/
      I feel like there’s also a real possibility that Cirie and Andrea told Sierra to vote Tai in that scene where she approached them while they were strategizing. If that’s the case, then it’s super weird that we didn’t get to see that, because it would have set Tai up as a totally viable decoy vote. Then we could have had some tension at TC about whether or not he would play his idol.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        The frustrating thing is that this happened last season as well. The phrase that time was “Somebody loses their flame tonight”, which isn’t even a Jeff catchphrase! It took over 45 minutes and the cool chairlift part was irrelevant. They don’t need to use all 30 tiles; the phrase should be shorter with a bunch of blank tiles.

        IIRC they walk the players through the course prior to running the challenge. I wouldn’t be surprised if players start to catch on, and when there’s a challenge with a long word puzzle at the end one or both teams just calmly take their time with the physical portion.

        • Head Architect Sylvia

          If Michaela gets the opportunity to run this challenge a third time I hope she does that.

          Jeff is the worst with his cool and edgy non-catchphrases. I feel like we haven’t had a commonly used survivor phrase as the word puzzle for about 25 seasons. I agree with Roswulf – I think it would be ok to reuse them. They have to change them up somehow.

          • Hornacek

            I think someone is forgetting about “A Reward That Will Fix Wishin”.

          • Head Architect Sylvia

            I had to google this. Sounds like another reason to never complete my watch of Worlds Apart. Wow. That is terrible.

          • Hornacek

            You shain’t kidding.

          • Hornacek

            Oh come on now. There are much better reasons to never watch Worlds Apart.

          • I am going to disagree slightly: At F5 Part One in BvW, Ciera won a puzzle that was like “You Got To Dig Deep”. At F5, Erik won his ironic immunity with “Guaranteed Final Four”.

          • Head Architect Sylvia

            “25 seasons” was probably an exaggeration, I was just struggling to think of any from the top of my head, really. You’ve got a really good memory, and you’re right, those two are pretty iconic catchphrases.

          • Another one that is iffy was the Loved Ones Challenge where Wentworth had to spell out “Nourishment”, but Abi-Maria thought that they were spelling out “Redemption”

          • Head Architect Sylvia

            I remember that one, Nourishment was an odd choice. Given that the season was Second Chances I feel like Redemption would have actually been a pretty good fit.

          • I get why they went with Nourishment since it was love and food, but Redemption works so much better.

      • Head Architect Sylvia

        Somebody should do a bit of research, but I feel like just about every word puzzle in recent seasons has taken 30+ minutes and have therefore all completely voided any advantages teams gained in earlier parts of a challenge.

        I agree – combining physically gruelling components with very difficult puzzles is utterly pointless. An easier challenge definitely would have been fairer but I suppose a physically challenging obstacle at least makes the whole thing a lot more interesting to watch.

        I know, Sarah said something along the lines of “It’s either Sierra or Zeke” and Sierra had had one confessional and Zeke had had about a hundred. Usually they’re slightly more convincing with an alternate vote out so you at the very least posit the notion momentarily.

        Yeah you’d think they’d have plenty of footage to make a Tai fake out look a lot more likely than a Sierra one, and even if it didn’t at least the footage/confessionals about Brad’s/Sierra’s/Troy’s qualms/thoughts on voting out Tai would have been interesting.

        Hmm your last point sounds highly likely. Yeah I agree, that would have worked well, and we already heard a few things from Tai about his idols so they could have made it work.

    • Sylvisual

      I’d love to see the challenge reversed, where players have to use the pulley bench to put together a multilayered puzzle after collecting pieces.

  • Cinnamon Owl

    Probably more games have been changed by complete morons doing something no rational person expected, rather than by strategic geniuses.

    (Michael Weston commented on this re dealing with different types of criminals as playing chess with a mastermind versus checkers with a toddler. You really want to be in the first game–the second one, the idiot is going to knock everything on the floor and stomp on it.)

    • This is precisely why Gabon and Nicaragua sucked.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I’m hoping for an exciting, twisty end-game* in part because as it stands now, Zeke is the dummy that knocked everything on the floor.

        *Unless it involves the idols and advantages taking people out randomly. That would be the worst.

      • giorgos

        This is the main reason why Gabon sucks, but just one of a billion reasons Nicaragua sucks. When it comes to sucking Nicaragua has so many layers. No one can compete.

    • Judson Helland

      While yelling, “Yahtzee Suckers!!!!!”

  • Super duper fan

    I didn’t read all the comments yet, but I was actually surprised when Zeke was voted out, not Sierra, I thought it would come down to Sarah and Michaela fliipping their votes. Some other thoughts:
    -good move on Andrea and Cirie for voting out Zeke when he planned to out Andrea next. The problem for them is that Michaela and Sarah may mutiny to the other side and vote them out, but we’ll see.
    -Michaela crying broke my heart. We didn’t unfortunately see their relationship on the island much this and previous season, but her emotions were for sure real.
    -Sarah plays like a criminal, not a cop a really dangerous game. I hope that somehow she manages to navigate through all this, and maybe even win (I would actually be pretty happy with this outcome).

    And that’s all the thoughts that I have. While I’m not LOVING this season, I like it, and maybe it will surprise us with something good (maybe with a Cirie win?)

    Ashley Underwood, we’re forever grateful for what you’ve brought to the game. We are not worthy of the joy you bring us.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Sarah is playing trying to play the Tony game with Trish’s ability to smooth it over. It could well work for her.

    • Roswulf

      Is she though? Tony would have flipped back to the people he just betrayed, perhaps with a pet ally, and also done something dramatic and silly. Sarah just followed Andrea’s plan to vote off Sarah’s own closest ally, only with a bunch of angty confessionals shown.

      I think Sarah made the correct call- going to war with an immune Andrea wasn’t a promising prospect. But I don’t get the sense that Sarah is CREATING opportunities, as Tony did, rather she is making the choices that come to her.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I think she’s going back against Andrea next week. Tony didn’t flip every time just a lot.

        • I hope she learns from Zeke’s experience if she does; if you’re going for Andrea you need to do it quietly and cleanly. You can’t afford to leave her in the game to get revenge.

  • purplerockandy

    Screw it: I really don’t have much to say about this episode. So if you’ve got questions for the podcast, ask them here. Keep them Survivor related.

    • Super duper fan

      Why Ashley Underwood is the best player to never win?

      • purplerockandy

        I feel like that one is self-evident.

    • Head Architect Sylvia

      Why was Candice a hero?

      • Blurry Denzel

        She would’ve murdered Brad on sight.

        • Judson Helland

          Added benifit!

        • Head Architect Sylvia

          Think of the ratings! Missed opportunity, Jeff.

          Candice vs. Brad 2.0 would definitely make this season better though to be honest.

          • Unfortunately (for your scenario), Candice and Brad are on pretty good terms and this was done after the show was finished, because Brad went home instead of going on the pre-jury trip.

          • Head Architect Sylvia

            This is very disappointing to hear.

          • You have to remember that Blood vs Water casts are typically pretty close minus a couple of outliers.
            BvW: Colton and maybe Gervase
            SJDS: Missy and Baylor

      • Kemper Boyd

        She is also currently pregnant and has a very small child (I think under 2).

        • Violina23

          Awwww good for her.

        • Yeah, Beatrix Leigh Cody was born during Cambodia, IIRC.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Beatrix is the worst variation you can have of that name.

          • She was probably inspired by the former Queen of the Netherlands.

      • I already trolled r/Survivor season by asking the second question.

        • Head Architect Sylvia

          Thank you for doing what really counts.

      • Prom King

        Why was Danielle a villain? I feel these questions must always be asked together.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Female villain basically means a woman with an attitude. See also: Sandra, Courtney.

          • Prom King

            Don’t remind me of the real world! Let me live in my bubble!

            I would say though that Sandra and Courtney were villains though. Wonderful ones. They certainly engaged in (semi-)villainous behavior in their prior seasons. They were just surrounded by villains who were more overtly villainous like JFP and JR.

    • Maritimer

      Who makes the cast of the next Fans v Favourites?

      • Super duper fan

        I actually have a ready answer, but I’ll wait for the podcast to show until I show it (and maybe they will already discuss it there).

        • Blurry Denzel

          Well, we all know Ashley Underwood takes one of the spots. I’m curious who the other nine favorites of yours would be.

        • Maritimer

          I’ve got some pretty solid guesses at who would be locks as well, but I’m curious as to what others think

        • I think a lot of us have lists…cough @disqus_3Sm0bOf1sj:disqus cough

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Now that you mention it, the knock on FvF seasons is that the fans get slaughtered, but now that we’re in the era of casting more superfans and fewer mactors, a FvF season might work out pretty well.

        • Counterpoint: On a season with a theme of Game Changers, look at how many non-Game Changers there truly was this season.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Another FvF season would help in this area as well: it would be a way to bring back B-listers without them ruining an all-returnees season.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Well FvF has been all 2nd timers and all non-winners. So it allows for bringing bad say Nadia or Jenn or Jay or Ken.

          • Maritimer

            The fact that Jay would likely be a shoo-in is about 80% of the reason I want another FvF

          • Well, he fits the shaggy hair golden boy challenge beast type that they have had in the other two FvFs.

          • Super duper fan

            Yeah, it would be great to see Nadiya, Jenn and Jay again.

          • That’s actually a really good point. See Andrea as a prime example.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Even Parvati and Cochran were most definitely B-listers at the time. I wonder if they would have been perceived as disappointing winners if they had won all-star seasons.

        • Maritimer

          This is very true. An Adam/Zeke/Aubry type would likely fare better than say Jason, Alexis, Joel, or (though I wouldn’t trade him) Eddie

        • Super duper fan

          I also think of that. If they do FvF for season 36, there are enough good people in the 26-35 era to make a satisfying group, and if they keep up the good casting of newbies, they for sure can also for Fans (supposedly it’s not, but maybe in the near future).

      • purplerockandy

        Emma.

        • It would be the most memorable six day experience of her life.

          • purplerockandy

            Fans do tend to win the first immunity.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Why six days? Are you assuming Francesca is one of the Favorites?

        • Hornacek

          What happens at the gross food challenge?

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I force myself to wake up from the nightmare I’m clearly having.

      • Hornacek

        They have to continue the pattern of having one of the Rans from the previous FvF season back as a Favorites. I’d recommend … Reynolds, who was a lot of fun on his RHAP episode a couple of weeks ago.

        • Maritimer

          100% Reynold would be my pick. I could also accept Eddie (I can work with one piece of useless eye candy). I would also support reaching back to the first one for Tracey

          • Super duper fan

            I would personally also love Natalie Bolton.

          • PurpleTally

            Yes yes yes!

          • Maritimer

            Yup. Oversight on my part

    • Blurry Denzel

      Who from this cast would you most want to see play again?

      • Alkanarra

        It’s still Hali for me, but only because the sheer confusion of why she was brought back for a third time would be hilarious.

        • Super duper fan

          I love Hali, but I would be SHOCKED if they brought her back 3rd time. I will be still rooting for her despite of that.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I kinda want to bring back JT to see if he can continue playing WAY worse than his previous time, even though it doesn’t seem possible.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        And why is it Malcolm?

    • if you could swap one man and one woman on this season for a different game changer, who would it be and why?

      Who is the greatest game changer not to be on this season?

      • purplerockandy

        Who is the greatest game changer not to be on this season?

        Boston Rob.

    • Violina23

      I think most of us are frustrated with the sheer number of idols and advantages that are still left in the game. I think the issues are 2-fold:
      a) Very few have really been used
      b) They all happened to be found by the alliance that most of us are rooting against, and will likely all be used at once to decimate the remaining players we like.

      How do you think this season had there been LESS of these idols/advantages, or had they been found by more dynamic players (e.g. Tony, Sandra, Zeke, Michaela, etc)?

    • Kemper Boyd

      Damn, I wanted your opinion on my house renovation…

      • Violina23

        I was going to ask you if the plants we found in our yard are poison ivy….. 😉

        • Kemper Boyd

          Luckily I do not live in a place with poison ivy. But I really wanted Andy’s opinions on black tapwear.

          • Violina23

            My husband noticed one suspicious plant, and now I’m seeing shiny three-leaved plants everywhere….

      • Oh, right in my wheelhouse! I love doing renovations.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I have a house that currently doesn’t have any plaster.
          How do you feel about mid century scandi?

          • I do drywall, not plaster. But I’ve also done floors and moulding, so I’m wondering what you’re going with for flooring.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Painted wood downstairs, tiles in the kitchen and bathroom and carpet upstairs.
            The house is 1930s can’t drywall as it’s original walls.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Culpepper doesn’t come to this site, John.

      • purplerockandy

        It’s looking great.

    • Ms_Woozah

      What are your thoughts on the new batch of Funny 115s?

    • Judson Helland

      What would be your favorite season opening twist? Also, what would be your favorite theme for a all-star season, but not all-winners?

      • I started off thinking I could put together a reasonable cast of pre-merge boots (second-timers only; not so much all-stars as also-rans).

        Then I realised two things.
        1) If I go back more than 5/6 seasons, it starts getting really hard to find pre-merge players it feels might have more to give on a second go-round. Is casting getting better, or is my memory just really bad?

        2) Hey, look how ethnically diverse that female cast is!

        MEN:
        Peter Baggenstos
        Vince Sly/Max Dawson
        Drew Christie
        Garrett Edelstein
        Brice Johnston
        John Cody
        Ace Gordon/Marcus Lehman
        Aaron Reisberger
        Brian Corridan
        Hunter Ellis

        WOMEN:
        Mari Takahashi
        Liz Markham
        Anna Khait
        So Kim
        Val Collins/Nadiya Anderson
        J’Tia Taylor
        Kourtney Moon
        Christine Shields-Markoski

        • Super duper fan

          I’ll just a few that could also potentially work:
          -Gina Crews (Marquesas)
          -Silas Gaither (Africa)
          -Angie Jakusz (Palau)
          -Amy O’Hara (Guatemala)
          -Bobby Mason (Panama)
          -Tina Scheer (Panama)
          -Cao Boi (Cook Islands)
          -Tracy Hughes-Wolf (Micronesia)
          -Spencer Duhm (Tocantins)
          -Marisa Calihan (Samoa)
          -Betsy Bolan (Samoa/0
          -Stephanie Valencia (Redemption Island)
          -Mikayla Wingle (South Pacific)
          -Stacey Powell (South Pacific)
          -Zane Knight (Philipinnes)
          -Laura Alexander (Caramoan)
          -Marissa Peterson (Blood vs. Water)
          -Alexis Maxwell (Cagayan)
          -Jessica Figueroa (Millennials vs. Gen X)

          I added a bunch of good females, so yeah, I think they could make a good pre-merge cast.

          • Lots and lots of good choices. Let’s invite them all to casting!

            What I kind of like about the idea is that there’s a lot of blank slates…it’s almost more of a newbie season than an all-star season, with the exception of everyone having demonstrated a baseline ability to not totally suck on television (or to suck in an entertaining way). Survivor: Time to Shine.

            Title needs work.

          • Super duper fan

            The only problem I have with my choices is that I gave a LOT more females than males (it’s mostly cause you picked the ones that I would choose). There probably are more men who would also work for this, but women always were more interesting for me than them (with few exceptions of course).

          • Also women are more likely to be targeted at the beginning of the game, so there are more of them to choose from.

            That is some data I would like, actually: of everyone voted out premerge, what percentage are men and what percentage are women? And of those men and women, what percentage are of an ethnic minority?

          • Super duper fan

            I just counted all he pre-merge boots and the perscentage of women voted out pre-merge is 58,1% (129), and men 41,9% (93). I excluded the quits an medevacs, plus I also didn’t count voted out pre-swap in battle of sexes seasons aka The Amazon, Vanuatu, Panama and One World (plus I counted Francesca and Varner twice, and pre-merge returnees).

            I don’t have time to do the ethnic minority one now, but maybe I’ll do it tomorrow.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Get Anna the hell out of there.

          Edit: Plus three premerge from Koah Rong seems excessive. Super duper fan’s suggestion of Alexis Maxwell would be a decent replacement for Anna, who I want out of my sight for eternity.

          • Super duper fan

            I have to admit, Kaoh Rong may have the best pre-merge cast of all seasons, from which I could see everyone getting picked for this season (or 2nd Chance even). But I do agree with 3 being too much.

          • Like you, I also considered Alecia and Darnell. It’s a strong pre-merge.

            There are 4 from Kaoh Rong this season, and were 4 from Cagayan in Cambodia, so I think it’s something Survivor is willing to do.

          • Replace Anna with Alexis Maxwell and you have three from Cagayan instead, so I don’t really buy that argument.

            I’d argue Anna’s repellent personal views are actually a pretty good reason to cast her on Survivor: We Voted Out All The Minorities Pre-Merge So Here They Are! Either it’s a valuable learning experience for her, or we get good television.

            She’s the more memorable one if you’re choosing between her and Liz anyway.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Counterpoint: Cagayan is a better cast than Koah Rong.

          • It is true that Cagayan does not have Scot Pollard or Kyle Jason on it, yes. Or Debbie Wanner.

            I do think Kaoh Rong has the stronger pre-merge though.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          But… There’s no Rodney…

          • Super duper fan

            Wow, I didn’t know Rodney was a pre-merge boot.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I even read that twice! It must be the foot wound.

    • Judson Helland

      What could be done to make the physical part of challenges a factor again

    • Blurry Denzel

      Which player has the best chance of joining Sandra in the two wins club? I will rank what I think on Friday.

      • turgid_legume

        The first name that comes to mind for me is Denise. Her win is far enough in the past that if she’s playing with newbies some of them probably haven’t even seen her season. And she was not the biggest personality/most well known of her season like some winners. But she has that stealth social game and is not a challenge liability.

        • Purplerockmatt

          I like that pick a lot

        • That’s the thing:Denise is probably the 5th most memorable person on that season (the 4 above her are Malcolm, Lisa, Abi-Maria, and Penner) which only helps her case. Despite that, Philippines is not a season that you see get mentioned that much out side of the returnees despite how great it is, which means Denise’s win has become underrated. However, superfans who are also RHAP fans know that her reads on the game and people are still pretty spot-on, which is a major red flag.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Denise definitely, also Sophie for many of the same reasons. Although this season strongly suggests that we won’t have another two-time winner, ever, until the all-winner season.

          • Roswulf

            It’s kind of insane that HvV ended up with two winners and a guy who likely thought he had won as the final 3

          • I actually think Sophie would be a bit lower than Denise because of their attitudes. Sophie is a little harder to live and work with in comparison to Denise.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Oh for sure I would rank Sophie well below Denise both as a winner and in terms of potential for a second win. It’s just that I can’t even think of a third former winner who both a) is non-threatening enough to not be targeted right away (so Kim and Jeremy are out) and b) capable of winning a second time (so Bob and Fabio are out).

            Adam, maybe, also qualifies?

          • Super duper fan

            Yes. Yes, he does. *intense glare*

            P.S. Joking aside, I do think he is in the top half of possible 2-time winners. And for other possibilities, UTR females are always a good pick for example: Vecepia and Natalie W.. I think Earl is also a really good pick.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I should have mentioned that at this point in Survivor’s history I’m very skeptical about the chances of any old-school returnee. I’m definitely in the camp that Natalie W. actively pursued a strategy and didn’t simply benefit from an anti-Russell vote, but I suspect she couldn’t win a second time under a different set of circumstances. I would love to see Earl play again (and apparently he was in the mix for this season), but I think he might turn out to be like JT: A deserving winner, but one that had a lot of breaks go his way.

          • I think both of those winners are in play to be two time winners because they are not seen as “great” winners. They are seen as winning because other people lost. But, they are also decent at challenges, which is an uphill climb for people like Michele.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Was Natalie White better at challenges than Michele? I don’t remember.

            You should watch Fiji. Earl was certainly portrayed as a great winner. Good luck slogging through the pre-merge and merge episode, just have faith that it gets much better after that.

          • Super duper fan

            Natalie didn’t win any post-merge immunities, so that’s a minus (but I think she was always in the upper-half). And I don’t know about tribal challenges, but she went to every TC beside one, so she wasn’t ground breaking.

          • Natalie has the benefit of being on a fairly weak tribe with people weaker than her. Michele did not.

            Yes, Earl was presented as a strong winner in his own season. Not now.

          • Max_Jets

            I’d probably swap them, though in depends on the game of course. Sophie is better “strategically” and I think would likely position herself better than Denise. Denise is great at understanding people and working her way into an alliance, but I don’t know if she’d be able to cut people at the right times.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Troyzan. #SummerOfTroyzan

        • chamberpop

          Sorry Troyzan, no hashtag for you.

      • Cinnamon Owl

        Cirie!

    • You all have often said that you have favorite episodes. Well, my question is slightly different: What episode do you think is the epitome of your vision of what Survivor is? In other words, what episode has everything you look for in Survivor?

    • giorgos

      Will you ever do a top 30,40,100 episodes series in a similar way you did 30 from 30? It’s probably too much work but it’ll be very fun to read.

      • Or they could invite all of the major contributors into writing up what their personal favorite episode is.

        • purplerockandy

          There was a guy here who was writing a list of his favourite episodes, but I think he stopped posting.

          • Yeah, that rings a bell…but I can’t remember his name.

          • Blurry Denzel

            Me either. That guy was also talking a lot about his love for Palau and how others should watch.

          • Blurry Denzel

            Well, not sure who that guy is but I happen to be working on my own list of favorite episodes, that after a few delays, I’m ready to finish up soon.

      • purplerockandy

        No.

        Honestly, with a few exceptions, I just don’t think of Survivor in terms of episodic divisions. I think of it in moments and seasons, but full on episodes? Rarely.

        • Unless it is the two-parter that ended with the rock draw from last season, right?

          • purplerockandy

            I think of that one now. Who’s to say I will in a few years?

            Maybe. There are a couple of episodes I still think of as episodes now. But in general, that’s just not how my memory works for this show.

          • Fair enough.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Same here. It’s just so unlike that something happens in a given episode that is memorable enough to tie an episode together but is self-contained enough that it doesn’t affect future episodes. The Drewschebag episode maybe? JT’s letter comes to mind but that takes two episodes to play out.

          • See, I like viewing things as episodes that connect together as a story arc.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Does this season have the most overall challenge capable group of castaways ever? Likewise, is this the most physically fit post-merge group ever?
      And does any of that affect the viewing experience at all?

      • Side note: Is their overall fitness a big reason why we have had so many post-reward challenge whine fests? I thought Fiji was this great location and everyone just seems miserable.

        • Super duper fan

          I think that contestants may be exaggerating how bad it is. And we mustn’t forget that being hungry is still a part of this show, which they may ease up for the contestants, but they still are not completely gone.

          • Please note I am not one of these people that say “Why do they have raincoats? They didn’t use to do that in my season”.
            But, it feels like these people should know better than MvGX (who barely complained at all).

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          Seriously – If I’m not mistaken, Michaela hasn’t won a single post-merge reward and she’s still like the only one who doesn’t cry every time they lose :/

          • That is correct. I think she only won two pre-merge rewards.

          • Hornacek

            (insert animated GIF of Michaela flicking sand with her fingers as everyone else cries about not getting pizza)

        • purplerockandy

          Because the remaining people are so filled with anti-charisma that them whining about challenges is the best we can get from them.

          • That is not what I want to see at all.

          • purplerockandy

            TBF, it is better than hearing a bunch of people talking about Big MovezTM. Who needs that?

          • You know, with the editing choices this season, I wouldn’t mind that. At least we would understand better some of these awkward vote splits besides “We got to prevent rock draws”.

    • Hornacek

      What do I do if I step on a nail while trying to rescue a stray cat?

      (I’m asking for a friend)

      • susan appleby

        Get a tetanus booster even if you’ve had one. Make sure it’s clean. I would see a doctor.

        Dude you know infections from rusty nails can cause lockjaw which is fatal. Just take care of it.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Some grocery store pharmacies offer them at a reasonable price. Or so i’ve heard. This morning.

        • Hornacek

          They cause the giant Inhuman dog that can teleport to appear? That sounds awesome!

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        That sucks! Your friend sounds like a wonderful, handsome, and likable person, though!

        • Hornacek

          Meh. He’s ok.

    • PurpleTally

      In honor of Zeke, who basically changed his whole life to be on Survivor and did an absurd amount of prep, what would you do to prepare if you knew you were going to be on Survivor? Bulk up, practice slide puzzles, get really good at untying knots, etc.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        That’s an excellent question. The social game is easily the most important aspect of the game, and superfans commenting on Survivor sites naturally focus on strategy and corralling votes, but I think it’s crazy to go on Survivor without:

        1) Knowing basic survival skills that the show yada-yadas these days (where and how to build a shelter, how to make fire);
        2) Getting your body and brain ready for island conditions (fasting for a few days, sleeping outdoors, standing out in the rain);
        3: Getting in reasonable physical shape (Cirie’s game doesn’t depend on being a challenge beast, but it’s not not a problem that she let her team down last episode)
        4: Practicing challenge elements that are easy to replicate at home and are for sure going to come up (slide puzzles, untying knots, stacking stuff, throwing things on things);
        5: Getting off coffee and cigarettes.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          Related to #3 & 4, it definitely wouldn’t hurt to take some yoga/pilates type classes (or heck even ballet) to improve balance and endurance for later game immunity. Working up a good callus on your feet would probably be beneficial too.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            In addition to the physical and mental benefits, yoga is also clearly a bonding thing in modern Survivor.

            Crossfit and obstacle course races are good prep. I do the latter and many of the obstacles are Survivor-adjacent.

            In addition to swimming generally, diving from at least a 3-meter board. I’m a decent swimmer but I would be terrified to jump off the side of the ship in the season premiere.

        • PurpleTally

          Right. It’s hard to prep for the social game, because you don’t know the type of people you’re going to be dealing with. (Though, perhaps a year in retail or food service might give you the requisite patience for dealing with idiots.)

          What you need to do is work on the thing that will make you Not A Liability.
          -You don’t have to be an Olympic level athlete*, but you do have to be in relatively good shape (know how to swim, be able to run a reasonable distance, be able to carry at least 30-40lbs)
          -Practice making a fire
          -Acclimate yourself to the outdoors and detox from sugar, caffeine, and the internet (biggest challenge for me), so the first few days aren’t a complete shock to your system
          -Practice different types of puzzles
          -Memorize common Survivor phrases for word puzzles
          -Play a lot of cornhole to practice accuracy throwing
          -Practice swimming in an ocean; diving down (though that’s something I’ll never be good at, due to inner ear stuff, I find it incredibly painful to dive deeper than a few feet)

          You don’t have to be the BEST at any of these things, but you need to not be the WORST. Know specifically what your weaknesses are so you can be upfront about them. (Again, I can’t dive far underwater; if I was in a challenge where there were underwater things at various levels, I would insist upon going for one of the higher things.)

          *Being an Olympic level athlete does not guarantee success at challenges (*cough*Crystal*cough*)

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Great points! I’d also add (though it’s probably redundant for the group commenting here) that everyone who plays should make sure to watch several seasons to prepare, especially recent ones so that you understand the basic game mechanics, and are also aware of new twists and advantages, etc. that could come up. BUT I would add the caveat that you don’t want to get out there and start blabbing about how much of a superfan you are until you know what the other players are like. There have been times in the past when players have been targeted by the mactor hordes for knowing what’s going on.

          • Judson Helland

            …..Or Customer service

        • PurpleTally

          Also, planning strategy is a COMPLETE waste of time. You can study what other players have done, but if you come into the game with a Plan and are unwilling to adapt, you are going to find yourself in a similar situation to Tony this season.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I love this question! To piggyback, I have heard lots of debate between former Survivor players about whether it’s better to get a little fat(ter) before going out there so you have some cushion to lose, or whether you should “shrink your stomach” by eating severely reduced meals beforehand (I most notably remember Corinne saying she just ate energy bars for weeks before playing and thought the hunger affected her less because of it). I suppose there is a third option as well, which is getting really jacked (I think this is what Fishback did his second time).
        What do people think would be the best strategy for enduring the hunger element of the game?

        • Oh yeah Stephen worked out before Cambodia…….I mean, I think he did. I wouldn’t know.

        • MsFjordstone

          Padding yourself in advance can’t be a good idea; if you’re eating more to bulk up, suddenly eating a lot less or nothing at all has got to be harder to deal with.

          • I think that is the Boston Rob strategy. Notice how quickly Boston Rob loses his fat in his last three seasons.

      • Prom King

        1. Buy some manties.
        2. Get a facial tattoo.
        3. Carefully study all of Zeke’s big moves.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      What first time returnee do you feel has impoved their gameplay the most since their first time out?

      • Judson Helland

        Brad? Any debate?

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          I expected Cochran would be the easy answer, but maybe his growth as a player wasn’t as vast as Brad’s.

          • PurpleTally

            Cochran: easiest AND sexiest answer.

          • GET OUT!!!!

          • PurpleTally

            “Cochran has a somewhat decent body”-Barbara Anderson, 9/19/2016 at 9:54PM (8:54PM Central)

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Digging back to September!

          • PurpleTally

            That’s from when we were watching Caramoan, which she has yet to finish watching.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            …The laziest witch…

            I’m about four away from all of them. Then I have plans!

          • What is that supposed to mean, SNP.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            …nothing…

          • Actually, I believe that was when we were watching SoPa because that was right before MvGX/my panic that you were spoiled on Cochran as a winner began.

          • PurpleTally

            Ah, that would make sense.

          • Oh don’t worry, I have some gems from last May.

          • PurpleTally

            Look, no one needs to bring up my thoughts from watching Samoa. I was young! Naive! I didn’t know any better!

          • I got them ready to go though!

          • Blurry Denzel

            Well, I thought Monica Padilla could be a potentially a great player after Samoa. Your thing can t be worst unless you were on the Brett bandwagon.

          • Oh….it’s worse than Brett.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            On the one hand I agree with this, on the other hand, Parvati also qualifies for both.

          • PurpleTally

            Oh. That is also an excellent suggestion.

      • purplerockandy

        Like, ever?

        Boston Rob.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          His second time?

          • purplerockandy

            I’m forgetting: was it Rob’s second time that he went from being a pre-jury character to running an entire All-Star season before losing by one single vote in front of the most bitter jury of all time?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I’m confused. Are you saying that he completely failed to manage the jury? That’s a big part of the learning curve.

          • purplerockandy

            I love how we’re all starting to become more nuanced about how random the game can be, but still cling to the idea that the guy who lost by one vote was one of the biggest jury failures of all-time.

            Basically, he missed out on having one late game conversation with Shii-Ann like Amber did. HORRIBLE PLAYER!!!

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I see your point and understand your argument, but I think I’m gonna habe to go with John on this one.

          • Prom King

            I don’t think he played a winning game (well obviously), but I wouldn’t actually say he was one of the biggest jury failures of all time. His responses were often careful and nuanced and sometimes even apologetic. He just didn’t manage the jury during the game. Didn’t even bother. Big mistake with so many big egos, and he should have known better. And so a game that should have been his to win became Amber’s to lose, and she didn’t.

          • purplerockandy

            For the record, I agree with you (and Rob, btw) that he did not manage the jury appropriately and that’s why he lost.

            But it was a really fucking close loss. On a show that barely every has close losses. He played a really good game. And lost. It happens.

          • Prom King

            Makes sense that he understood why he lost, since he successfully course-corrected in his subsequent seasons. Maybe not sooo successfully in HvV but it was clear he was trying to do something different there from his prior appearances.

            One of Survivor’s most skilled players, and I get a little annoyed with the repetition of “won only on his 4th season, and only because Probst & production wanted him to win”. He’s masterful and always has been. Impressive even in his first season.

          • purplerockandy

            I thought he was an idiot douche in his first season.

            Much prefer the crafty douche he’d become in later seasons.

          • Prom King

            But he orchestrated big moves!

            My favorite Rob is the sleazy but fun character we saw in his first season. Second season he made for a great but often queasy villain. Third season, a character who surprised me in a good way. Fourth season, ugh, helped to turn that season into a black hole where entertainment should have been.

          • Max_Jets

            I believe there could have been one decent tribe if you mixed the best of each RI tribe, but I don’t know that I believe that cast as is could have given us a good season of television.

          • Prom King

            I think I agree with that. I remember enjoying the (not actually a) racist, the hairball, the fire(wo)man, Lil’ Jesus, and the little we saw of Francesca. Also enjoyed watching Russell cry. I may also have chuckled a bit when Jesus wept. I’m a terrible person.

            EDIT: had to remove some characters because I accidentally included a couple from South Pacific, another winner of a season.

          • Max_Jets

            Is Andrea a given? Christine and the mortician were actually on South Pacific, but they were wonderful. I wasn’t a huge Julie fan, but otherwise I agree. I might also add Stephanie Valencia and I might be the only person to do that…

          • Prom King

            Yeah, I realized that moments after posting and had to go back and edit!

            I actually did not particularly enjoy Andrea in that season. However she was a ray of light during the sludgy darkness of Caramoan and I’ve liked her surge in visibility this season. Not a personal favorite, but I do like her.

            Regarding Stephanie Valencia: yes, you may be the only one…

          • Super duper fan

            Stephanie Valencia may be one of the best parts for me in RI, and beside T-Bird I was a bit bummed that she didn’t get into Cambodia (while of course, she’s only one of he best parts of RI, cause it is great, and it has Ashley, so you know).

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            That’s the better argument. That’s what I wanted to hear. I don’t think Cochran had to change too much to win, but Rob did. But did he change the most?

          • purplerockandy

            No. I just like answering Boston Rob to almost all these questions to aggravate people. But only if I can remotely make a case.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I can see why it aggravates people. He’s like a garbage Tyson.

          • purplerockandy

            I see what you’re doing. I’m not taking the bait.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Ha! The question was an honest one though, and I do appreciate the answer.

          • purplerockandy

            Honest answer: Parvati.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            That’s a pretty good answer.

      • Roswulf

        If we are talking ever, I’d make the delightfully weird case for Woo.

        I mean, his first time out he came as close as any Survivor ever has to literally throwing away a million dollars. In his second time around, he did NOT do that. So that’s a major plus.

        Yes, he ran headlong into hurricane Abi and finished a far cry from his second place in Cagayan, but Woo 2.0 was a consistently reasonably savvy player, as best exemplified in his savagely logical take down of Spencer and Shirin.

        • Woo 2.0 was not a bad player, but he was stuck with Abi.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I could see Ken playing a similar game to Woo 2.0 next time around. Almost as if he were a different version of Woo…

          • I think Ken already showed that he was a bit more cutthroat than Woo by voting out David at F4.

    • jersey_luck

      Besides the Zeke being outed, what will be the defining moment of this season?

      • purplerockandy

        We’ll answer that when it’s over. Because I hope that moment hasn’t happened yet.

        (If it has, it was Malcolm being taken out by being handed over to a lame-ass loser tribe while a player who should’ve known better tried to do too much).

    • Salz

      Is it better for Cirie to attempt to blindside Sarah before she gets the chance to use her steal-a-vote advantage, or is it better for Cirie to use Sarah’s advantage to her advantage? I just really don’t want Sarah’s advantage to bite Cirie in the ass somehow.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Does Survivor need a back to basics season where they focus on the location or something? Can they film outside the tropics? BC perhaps? Or are twists and cast themes the best/only way to go?

      • purplerockandy

        They can film outside of the tropics, but still need to limit filming to the most cost-effective places (a big part of that cost-effectiveness is reusing locations multiple times).

        • Which is why we won’t probably won’t get another land-locked season since the transportation costs go up immediately.

    • Parvatis2Idols

      Will we ever be graced with the presence of Kim Spradlin again?

      • purplerockandy

        It’ll be awhile, at least. She seems reluctant to leave her small children right now.

      • PurpleTally

        Not anytime soon, it doesn’t seem.

  • if you could swap one man and one woman on this season for a different game changer, who would it be and why?

  • Something Quirky

    Hector, as they arrived at the reward: “Did they just bring them to Ponderosa?”
    That would have been an interesting twist.

    • purplerockandy

      You know… that COULD be a really interesting reward. The chance to hang out with the jury for an afternoon.

      • Something Quirky

        I was imagining if it was a Survivor Auction item, but of course, the downside would be that if it was just one person who got to do that, they would immediately be voted out.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          Haha “Have fun at your Ponderosa reward! Put in your dinner order while you’re there so they can have it waiting for you after tribal.”

        • Unless they did it like they did with Will in Worlds Apart. It is a covered item and if you win it, then you are done at the auction and you go back to camp. However, when you get back to camp, you get a note that says “Psych! The jury is actually coming here to hang out with you for an hour or two” or something along those lines.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Save it for a season where the early jurors are super salty.

  • tocantins

    So, since people have been talking a lot about potential winners, I wanted to rank my favorite winners for this season:
    1. Brad: he is an awesome person, and a great player. I honestly think that if people were not biased against him (as they are against, or in favor, of almost everyone this season), they would realize that he is playing a high class game.
    2. Cirie: I love Cirie, and she is a good character this season; just not as good as her previous ones. I don’t place her first because I feel that if she were to win, there wouldn’t be a good story-line of the season.
    3. Sierra: again, I think that if she had never played before, people wouldn’t be hating on Sierra as much as they are now. (And they wouldn’t be underestimating her as much either.) I like her; I think she is funny and relatable. I also find it funny how she is monstrously tall.
    4. Sarah: I think that Sarah is playing a very winnable game; I just don’t like her. I don’t know why; maybe the fact that she keeps talking about her making moves and being a criminal and etc.; it just doesn’t appeal to me.
    5. Andrea: Andrea is nice, but she hasn’t had a good season at all. I find it difficult to find a single moment where we can empathize with her.
    6. Tai: Tai is a great human being, but I just don’t like him as a Survivor player. The fact that he has two idols also exasperates me to no end. (Although admittedly blaming him for it is somewhat unfair.)

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      I feel like I’m starting to beat a drum about this, but might as well: I’m fine with anybody winning this season as long as they really earn it and do something awesome to get to the end. I think a lot of the animus toward Brad and FFSDT is because for a long time it looked like Team Boring was simply going to pagong Team Fun. At least that danger has passed. To me the big danger now is that the final 5 is going to seem random as a result of an idol/advantage bloodbath.

      • Super duper fan

        I 100% agree with you. I, of course, have my rooting interests, but I don’t dislike anyone left (well, beside Troyzan, but he won’t win), and I think that there won’t be a bad winner in terms of gameplay.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Forgot to mention this, but it’s also a problem with this season that @tocantins11:disqus is (very understandably) able to to zero-percent Michaela and Aubry even though they’ve made it this far into the game.

    • Maritimer

      I don’t disagree that Brad is a good person or a great player. For whatever reason, he is just *boring* on TV, as ADS mentions below. Whether he doesn’t pop or its the editing, he’s just not that interesting. If he comes flying out the last couple episodes I’d be really happy with him winning. A win by him I would liken to someone like Natalie W or Danni, where you can’t critique the gameplay but it didn’t make for great TV

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      *I also find it funny how she is monstrously tall.*

      When she leaned down to talk to Andrea and Cirie at the well I felt like I was watching a Lord of the Rings movie.

  • As I was eating breakfast, I realized something: the two people that have invisible edits still as well as the person who is basically invisible unless targeted are our only three left from original Mana. Way to make a redshirt tribe, Survivor!

    • Max_Jets

      Mana is no Ta Keo!

      • No, but three of the four Ta Keo post-merge members had major impacts on their season. None of these four have so far.

        • Max_Jets

          Exactly. It’s too bad the more interesting tribe was nearly Pagonged pre-merge in each season, but at least Bayon was a lot better than original Nuku.

          • I am working on a rant about this phenomenon because it has happened with every all star season.

          • Max_Jets

            Well, all but one of course.

          • Actually….that is part of my argument.

          • Max_Jets

            http://images.buddytv.com/btv_2_505911898_0_350_10000_-1_/survivor-aubry-bracc.jpg (I tried to find a more relevant contestant, but her expression is so good that I might have to just keep using this picture for everything I find baffling.)

          • I think I am a bit confused, so let me just tease you with my thesis: On all star seasons, Production seemingly sets up the more interesting tribe to fail.

          • Max_Jets

            Oh, I thought you were suggesting the Heroes were more interesting than the Villains.

          • Oh no…I mean there are elements that are interesting about the Heroes, but come on, it’s Villains all the way.

  • Salz

    I just can’t understand why Cirie would tell Sarah about the plan to take out Zeke. If you know Sarah’s against it, there’s still desperate people on the outs (Sierra, Tai) who would gladly vote Zeke! I mean, in the end, it’s probably good for Cirie that she told Sarah because Sarah in turn told Cirie about her steal-a-vote advantage. So if Sarah was blindsided by the Zeke vote, there’s a chance it could’ve backfired for Cirie and Andrea. (It still might.)

    • purplerockandy

      I don’t think they wanted to empower Sierra to give that information out to Zeke.

      • Roswulf

        Also if you don’t tell Sarah, then she feels betrayed by you and is more likely to flip back to Tai/Brad/Sierra/Troy. From Cirie’s perspective, Officer Sarah isn’t just a one-vote number, she’s a relationship worth cultivating.

        • jersey_luck

          Thing that could be talked about: The girls might be able pick up Tai if they press him on the fact that his allies tried to vote him. It shows Tai is on the bottom of that foursome and Tai might vote against his allies.

          • Roswulf

            I think this likely to be a major plotline going forward. Tai got told in no uncertain terms where he stands with his supposed allies. He’s been known to flip in such situations, and he has two idols. I don’t see Tai just taking it in stride.

          • purplerockandy

            Paging: Aubry.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    I just listened to Zeke’s exit interview on RHAP and he offered more context for his attempted move against Andrea at the merge. He basically said that after the Varner incident he assumed that his game was ruined and nobody was willing to go to the end with him, so he figured he would go out swinging. He also said that he was definitely planning to go after Andrea again, so she made the right move taking him out here. I’m not 100% sure that I agree that Andrea’s move was exactly right given how she she had to force it and I was getting strong edit vibes that it could backfire on her as soon as the next episode anyway, but at least her read of the threat was accurate.

    • Hornacek

      There was probably a lot of discussion of this in Zeke’s confessionals, and when Zeke was talking to others, but I’m guessing the show wanted to put the Varner incident behind them so they didn’t include any of that in post-Varner episodes.

      Except for the one time that someone said “Zeke has the best story” but even then they just wanted to let the viewers know that Zeke was a target that no one wanted to let get to the end without coming out and reminding viewers about what Varner did.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Yeah, I’m personally glad that the show moved on from the Varner ugliness fairly quickly, as Zeke is a great character and I wouldn’t want him to be dragged down by that moment for the rest of his Survivor career (side note: hopefully he’ll be back again).

        • Hornacek

          I did feel bad when he acknowledged in his exit interviews what we all suspected – not only did him being outed weigh heavy on his mind during the game after it happened, but that he recognized immediately that no one was going to let him get to the end because of “his story” so he had no shot of winning.