Survivor Game Changers Episode 4 Liveblog: “The Tables Have Turned”

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  • Kemper Boyd

    Bring on Survivor!

  • the sky is falling

    they found a way to slow down the during-episode comment stream.
    fight the power!
    Jk, the new format is cool-ish, still analyzing

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Sounds like Hali’s safe.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Debbie right?

      • Maritimer

        that’s my (possibly wistful) read. Maybe Tai

  • Taako From Teevhii

    First challenge two minutes in, still time for a third challenge.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Does this feel like a post-merge IC to anyone else?

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Everyone on Tavua calls him Tory, and I love them for it.

  • Alycia Swift

    Anyone annoyed that only men are doing this challenge.

  • K.P. Watershed

    Thanks CBS for reminding me about all the reasons I can’t stand watching Ozzy.

  • Poor Sheltered Homeschooler

    So #CoffeeIsForClosers is easily the most ridiculous Survivor hashtag ever, right?

    • Alycia Swift

      It is pretty ridiculous. I think you can count on one hand the number of non-ridiculous hashtags.

    • sharculese

      I’m of two minds. On the one hand – the line is overplayed and was clearly picked to tie into Alec Baldwin’s awful Pixar movie. On the other hand – Glengarry Glen Ross is, if anything, more relevant now than it was when it was written, and should be celebrated, Mamet’s descent into insanity notwithstanding.

      • Not a Pixar movie.

      • purplerockandy

        Not a Pixar movie.

        Never a Pixar movie. Even Cars wouldn’t stoop that low.

        (Cars might stoop that low).

        • sharculese

          Pretty much all movies are a single slurry in my mind.

        • PurpleTally

          That’s what they get for stretching a 20 page picture book with no plot into a movie because they liked the image of a baby in a suit.

      • Hornacek

        Dreamworks

  • Taako From Teevhii

    This pacing is telling me that this is going to end up being either the best or most overrated tribal ever.

  • Alycia Swift

    On the new system, nothing I have sent for the past five minutes has been posting at all.

    • Alycia Swift

      Its working again.

      • Purplerockmatt

        I have to approve it, and I am getting a lot of messages, so only some will go through

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I hope Varner survives tonight, not just because I like him but because I don’t like seeing anyone that torn up. If he were to go home on top of that, it’d be too much.

  • Maritimer

    So its what we predicted and I hate it. At least send them to the same camp pre-tribal

    • Kemper Boyd

      This can the be the official “I’m not a fan of this kind of twist” thread. For the record, I am not a fan of this kind of twist.

      • Maritimer

        Its hard to even flip because you have to either guess who is being voted for or they have to declare it at tribal basically

      • Survivor is about building bonds and maneuvering socially. Not being on the same beach as other people who are voting ruins that. I’m not saying I’d like the twist if both tribes were together for the few hours before tribal, but it would be better that way.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      It’s production shooting for the “Live Tribal Effect”

      • Maritimer

        At the expense of good strategy and fairness unfortunately

      • Max_Jets

        Which already happens enough organically nowadays.

    • the sky is falling

      Cbssurvivor Twitter announced it before the episode. very poor form imo.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    One factor with this twist: You need to announce who you’re voting for in order to get flippers on the other tribe. But then you’re inviting for an idol to played. Bit of a catch-22, innit?

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Who on Nuku said they wouldn’t bet on Tai finding an idol?

  • Alycia Swift

    So anyone else think its Sandra’s time?

    I don’t want it to be.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I’m so scared Alycia.

      • Alycia Swift

        Oh Sandra, sigh.

        • Alycia Swift

          Oh Sandra, again sigh,

  • Parvatis2Idols

    whyyyyyy Tai!! why did you tell them :S

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Did the tribes purposefully separate JT and Hali from their old tribes?

  • Taako From Teevhii

    DON’T Y’ALL KNOW NOT TO SAY STICK WITH THE PLAN AT TRIBAL????

  • Alycia Swift

    Now I feel like they should stop with the whispering.

  • Parvatis2Idols

    GET CULPEPPER

  • Parvatis2Idols

    It’s like Probst is paint drying on the wall

  • Maritimer

    Something which may be missed so I want to note it now: FFSDT checking in with Hali who assures her she switched it

    • Kemper Boyd

      I am so confused

      • Alycia Swift

        I hate this episode.

        • Kemper Boyd

          this “live tribal” was a shit show.

    • I was convinced Hali was trying to draw the target onto Brad so they could play the idol on him.

      • Maritimer

        I thought she was straight up protecting FFSDT

        • Either way, Hali was right.

        • Kemper Boyd

          She sort of did.

  • Parvatis2Idols

    i’m so nervous but like what’s going on??!

    • Alycia Swift

      No idea.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I DON’T KNOW

  • Parvatis2Idols

    NOOOOOO SANDRA 🙁

  • Taako From Teevhii

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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  • Parvatis2Idols

    OH MY GOD THEY DIDN’T GO SANDRA

    • Hornacek

      THOSE BASTARDS!

  • Maritimer

    I am in fucking tears and incredibly, incredibly pissed. Like close to boycott the season pissed

    • the sky is falling

      This season is going downhill fast, agreed

    • Taako From Teevhii

      This season is going to be the 2016 election boiled into 13 episodes (btw, Troy wins in this darkest timeline)

      • Maritimer

        the one we are on now. Jesus. Big Brother-esque that was

      • Purplerockmatt

        don’t even joke please

        • Taako From Teevhii

          I mean, there gotta be a reason that S35 and S36 are newbie seasons. If they’re gonna break from the “Every other season is returnee” formula, something’s tainted the well.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Two does not a pattern make.

          • Figaro

            But 32 and 33 were both newbie seasons as well (book-ended by returnee seasons)
            EDIT: and 29, 30 for that matter…

      • Hornacek

        I said in last week’s comments that I’m more and more afraid that all of the great players will be voted out early leaving us with a final group of people like Troy(zan), FFSDT, Hali, Debbie and Tai.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          That’s good my for fantasy team, so I don’t mind as much

  • Kemper Boyd

    ohhhhhhh JT boy they fucked you. They fucked you good.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      “JT set us up” hmmmmmmmm

      • Kemper Boyd

        nope, he wouldn’t looked pissed at that result.

        • gouis

          He told Brad and thought it would result in Sandra going out. Instead it backfired and kicked out his 2nd closest ally.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            This. He told them the correct target. He had to know there was the possibility of an idol. He just thought they would vote out Sandra instead.

          • Hornacek

            But JT voted with his tribe for FFSDT. So how would this have resulted in Sandra going home if all 6 of JT’s tribe voted the same? (unless the plan after JT told Brad that)

  • Nooooooooooooooooooooo

  • corndogshuffle

    Oh. My. God.

  • Parvatis2Idols

    what was that JFC

  • Well this was a shit idea, show.

  • Alycia Swift

    Oh My God. Sandra is safe!! I’m so sorry for Malcolm though.

  • Parvatis2Idols

    god the Mana tribe is so annoying like what kind of filler cast bs

  • Alycia Swift

    One of the few true blindsides.

  • gouis

    Bullshit.

  • #shouldhavelistenedtohali

    • Parvatis2Idols

      yeah idk why they didn’t go for Brad?? Like it seemed like they were going to for a second…

      • Kemper Boyd

        doubleback misdirect

    • Kingoftonga

      Did Hali know about the idol? If so, why didn’t she tell the other tribe?

      • I think Hali, rightly, flipped to preserve her current (albeit precarious) position. My view on her play was that she was trying to sway their vote so they could correctly play the idol. The irony is that, if they had, they’d have been ok.

        This is all JT’s fault.

        • Parvatis2Idols

          Ohhhhhh this all makes sense now. Like she was playing Nuku so they could keep Sierra safe and shoot their shot

        • Kemper Boyd

      • Hornacek

        Was Hali in the scene when Tai told his tribe about the idol? I don’t think I saw her, and it would make sense that the four of them would be discussing things without Hali if they weren’t sure about her loyalties.

    • Hornacek

      Hali’s comment.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Ok, let’s start our breakdown. Malcolm got twistfucked. But two players came out of this looking good A) FFSDT who was right to go after physical threats and moved her tribe off Sandra and B) Hali who is now loyal to her new tribe and still has Sandra over there who seems to have been her closest relationship over there.

    • Alycia Swift

      Thing is – this was Tai and Brad and Hali’s move. Not Sierra’s.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I disagree, I think she was shown playing Tai properly and the one who wanted Malcolm.

        • Hornacek

          It was a small thing, but when Tai first said “I have an idea”, it was FFSDT who told Debbie to stop talking and listen to what Tai had to say.

          • Kemper Boyd

            It was a good play. It’s exactly how Aubry pulled Tai in by valuing his opinion.

    • Parvatis2Idols

      I’m confused about 2. Like Hali seemed to be telling them to target Brad instead? I mean obviously she didn’t tell Nuku about the idol. Like was she just aiming for Malcolm or what? Or did Nuku just straight up not listen to her…

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        I’m so confused about this. Had they listened to Hali, Brad goes home… so it seemed like she was actually loyal to Nuku…?

        • Kingoftonga

          Is there a possibility that Hali was given false information from the rest of her tribe about where the idol was going?

          • K.P. Watershed

            That seems possible

        • Parvatis2Idols

          Someone explained it below that she was misdirecting to Brad so they could play the idol correctly but idk because if Nuku had listened and voted for Brad he would’ve been gone?? I feel like we need more #info

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I’m not positive Hali knew about the idol. Was she around when Tai revealed it?

        • purplerockandy

          It didn’t look like it.

        • Hornacek

          It would make sense that those 4 would not want to tell Hali about the idol, since they weren’t sure about her loyalties.

  • jersey_luck

    I do not know if I should be sad that Malcolm left or be happy for all the points Tai got me in Pick 4

    • the sky is falling

      Sad

    • Kemper Boyd

      ummmm, did Tai play the idol for FFSDT or give it to her and she played it? Cos I want those points for FFSDT.

      • I think the definition of “playing it” is Jeremy play for Stephen or the Natalie play or Jaclyn. If you hand it off, it’s not your idol anymore.

        • purplerockandy

          I think at tribal plays are grey areas. I’m not sure how they’ve been handled recently.

          It’s possible they both get it.

    • Parvatis2Idols

      I’m just happy i got to keep Sandra in my Pick 4 😐 (and also because she’s the queen)

    • Well, I think Tai doesn’t get the idol play points because he handed it off to Sierra.

      • Purplerockmatt

        no he played it he gets the points. if he handed it to her pre-tribal it is different

        • Oh…well then, that….is a game changer. Thanks for the clarification during your time of mourning.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I thought playing it meant, handing it to Jeff…

          • Purplerockmatt

            ugh yeah i forgot the exact sequence of events, we’ll discuss it in staff chat and consult past instances

          • Kemper Boyd

            I would like to lodge my opinion that the points should go to FFSDT because she played it and is on my team.

          • I am okay with either result for…Champions League reasons.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I have both on my Five-Team. I’m all good.

          • prettyboyprobst

            They really shouldn’t, but I also have her and had Malcolm, so gimme points, I need them moar!

          • jersey_luck

            Well if you decide to give Sierra the points for playing the idol, I demand that the name of Purple Rock’s Ultimate Survivor Tribal Council’s winner be changed from Parvati’s Double Play to Sandra and Jerri Play Some Idols.

  • I want whichever intern buried that idol at Mana fired.

  • That was a terrible twist with a terrible outcome that absolutely never should’ve happened. I was going to say that that was an exciting tribal (because it objectively was), but god that was an awful idea.

    • Alycia Swift

      But at least Aubry is safe.

    • Roswulf

      It was exciting, but impossible to follow. Bad TV with a bad result.

      And yes, I realize that I’m irrationally bitter because we lost a Nuku.

  • Alkanarra

    Oh boy I can’t wait for Andy to talk about this one on the podcast….

  • gouis

    Can we say it’s incredible that Sandra survived that? I thought it was going to take a BS twist combined with an idol play to get her out. And even THAT didn’t work.

    • corndogshuffle

      I’m glad that’s not what got her. I want Sandra’s boot to be mundane.

      • gouis

        You have no soul.

        • corndogshuffle

          No, that’s my brother and sister. I don’t want Sandra to go out by being screwed because producers messed with game mechanics.

          • Parvatis2Idols

            Fair! Luckily she won’t be voted out at all

      • Parvatis2Idols

        Sandra’s not getting booted at all so jot that down

        • gouis

          She’s our only hope.

          • Max_Jets

            I’m still hoping for a win from one Michaela Bradshaw.

        • corndogshuffle

          I don’t know about thaaaaat.

          • Parvatis2Idols

            I’m against you corndogshuffle

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      But seriously, how? How did Sandra survive that?!?!

      • Kemper Boyd

        She is straight up magic.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          The fact that no one will target her because she’s the obvious boot (gotta avoid those idols) means she’ll be waltzing straight to FTC. Just like always, only for a different reason this time. Crown it…

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Gd-willing.

          • Kemper Boyd

            straight. up. magic.

    • Side Character

      I had mentally prepared myself for Sandra to go home–and even if it happened I don’t think I would’ve handled it well. But this…how did they not take her out? Do they want her to win again? If so, make this happen. This will slightly ease the pain of losing two of our faves so early.

  • Poor Sheltered Homeschooler

    OK, I know we’re all heartbroken right now, but that WAS an exciting Tribal Council. If almost anyone else had gone home, we would be talking about what an incredible episode that was. As it stands, we lost a national treasure and that sucks. But let’s not blame the twist.

    • the sky is falling

      The problem with having beloved returnee season

    • jersey_luck

      Okay my point of reference is if that happened in all newbie season would be still be pissed off. My answer is yes because the player that was voted was not voted off by the people who they lived with but a group of people with a broad view. We still be angry that we lost this large character with much potential.

      • Maritimer

        I would be pissed on a newbie season. Except on a newbie season it would have been someone underedited so maybe not quite at my close to boycott pissed I am right now

      • Roswulf

        I think the closest parallel is the Michelle boot in Fiji,

        And I’m still really goddamned pissed about the Michelle boot in Fiji.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      It’s short-term excitement at the expense of longterm entertainment.

      • sharculese

        We have a ton of sources of entertainment left, though, because this is a mostly great cast. Like I said below, I had a ten-minute sad, slow moan at the idea of Malcolm being gone, but it’s not like his exit turned this season into a charisma vacuum.

        I’d rather Survivor throw the dice every once in a while, even if they sometimes come up snake eyes, like they did tonight. Sometimes risk gets you reward, sometimes it means you pay. It’s still fun to risk it.

  • Kingoftonga

    I feel like I need to watch that again in slow motion. So many different goals from so many different players

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Debbie’s meltdown was one day too late. I’m not saying it would have saved Malcolm, but I’d like to think it would. Actually, I don’t want to think about it, I’ll just make myself sad.

    • Alycia Swift

      How did Brad crush her?

      • Maybe that wasn’t the original plan?

        • Taako From Teevhii

          I would say that shouldn’t warrant that reaction, but…

        • purplerockandy

          She was prepared enough to be the only person to spell Malcolm’s name right tho.

          • Maybe she knows that there is no real variation on spelling Malcolm

          • Hornacek

            One of her jobs: Grammar Teacher

      • Kemper Boyd

        Asked her about her water testing job?

      • Mike Hirsch

        Maybe literally?

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Impossible, Debbie has the strength of two oxen.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            She got payed in free oxen training when she worked at that co-op farm.

      • Hornacek

        I’m just hoping we don’t get Brad saying that he’s 150-200% in love with Monica.

  • K.P. Watershed

    JT made the exact same mistake as in HvV, thinking an older male on the other tribe would blindly follow his half-baked suggestion

    • Alycia Swift

      I don’t think he can win now.

      • Yo Ho

        I think they may throw immunity to get rid of him.

    • gouis

      Yup. Over-disclosed again.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Only Debbie spelt Malc’s name right. Only Debbie…

    • She does have the biggest frontal lobes.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I thought we were keeping this chat PG.

  • Maritimer

    They are damn lucky Malcolm’s exit interview wasn’t just him hurling expletives at production. Because that’s what I would have done

    • Alycia Swift

      He did seem to be crying a little. Very red eyes.

      He will play again. He’s too popular.

      • K.P. Watershed

        Hope so. He is the Anti-Ozzy.

      • Maritimer

        Definitely crying. And he better play again after that bullshit

        • They owe him.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Caleb got brought back after his game was prematurely ended by production’s negligence. So fair’s fair.

    • This cannot have been the outcome Probst wanted.

      Plus the cruelty to tease us with a Malcolm-JT team-up and then snatch it away in the same episode…

      • Mike Hirsch

        Production tries to mix things up and get burned doing so. Let that be a lesson to them!

        • Maritimer

          This is not Big Brother. It is not a thing to emulate. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS

    • Poor Sheltered Homeschooler

      Malcolm Freberg: Live by the twists, die by the twists.
      On the other hand, dude doesn’t know how to play an unmemorable game. His least flashy appearance will go down as Philippines, and he made F4 that season. The TV gods will resurrect him.

  • gouis

    JT …. zero chance at winning this game.

    • K.P. Watershed

      JT made the exact same mistake as in HvV

    • Hornacek

      Just like S28E01 Tony!

  • PurpleTally

    I like Malcolm fine, but I like the other people on Nuku more, and I was rooting for an idol play/underdog situation more than anything. So that was amazing. I loved literally every second of that tribal.

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    Wow, do I feel for Malcolm. That hurt. I’m relieved for Sandra, but the randomness of it hurt. I thought he might go by Sandra’s hand for flipping or something based on the edit, but no. At least then, it would have been a deserved downfall, like Tony. This was just cruel.

  • Purplerockmatt

    Ok the show is over so if you are just coming to the comments this is where the post-show comments begin

    • Alkanarra

      Everything below this is just expletives.

    • Kemper Boyd

      a little late bruv.

      • Purplerockmatt

        I have to shut down the other thing adn come over here! this is just a rough place for late comers to know where it ended

    • Hornacek

      Hey, I remember someone in last week’s comments suggesting someone post something like that as soon as the episode is over. Who was that guy?

      • Taako From Teevhii

        It’ll be an even better idea next week. I think everyone can clearly tell where tribal ended.

  • the sky is falling

    someone explain why they chose Malcom please. I don’t understand…

    • Alycia Swift

      someone whose name was not being thrown out. JT spilling the beans about SDT so he’s still a “friend.”

    • PurpleTally

      Strong competitor. Challenge threat. Someone who was not on their side and wasn’t ever going to be.

      • the sky is falling

        But isn’t Malcom more trustworthy than Sandra?

        • Kemper Boyd

          nope not really.

    • gouis

      Because as Brad said “he’s the best player in the game”

    • Purplerockmatt

      because Nuku is much more likely to lose again without Malcolm

      • Kemper Boyd

        This bit makes sense but also we are at 16 so theoretically we could go back to two tribes a’la Cambodia.

        • Purplerockmatt

          they went back at 14

          • Kemper Boyd

            yes but this is also an even number. Doesn’t have to be the same even number.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Avoiding talking about the obvious for a moment, when Debbie said there was one person on Nuku who had strong bonds with them and Probst asked, “Who’s that?”
    You know “who’s that,” Probst. No need to play that dumb.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Jeff Probst: So guys, was that a great twist or what?

    Everyone Else:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2120680b8f0a93e4e9d917a95636a6f1a1b699ce26e13392d5f85a11620cae60.gif

    • Kemper Boyd

      It should have been amazing but it devolved into “WHAT?” and then a complete shitshow.

    • sharculese

      This twist fucking owned. I ate up every second of that chaos, and I’m not going to hate it because it ended in tragedy. That’s Survivor; that happens.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        With some distance, I think I’ll be able to look back and appreciate this twist. I know I enjoyed the prospect of it a bunch leading up to this episode. But tonight is not the night for that.

        • sharculese

          My roommate asked me to leave the room because I was just letting out slow, high-pitched moans.

          That doesn’t cancel out the ten minutes before that.

      • itsafuckingSTICK

        I am on a high from that twist. A bitter, angry high, but a high nonetheless.

      • PurpleTally

        This is a twist more people would have liked in a new player season when it wasn’t endangering their faves. Or even if Nuku hadn’t gone to tribal. Ignoring the players involved, an underdog tribe successfully sticking together to idol out someone THAT SOMEONE FROM THE OTHER TRIBE TOLD THEM THEY WERE VOTING OUT (amazing, btw, and funnier because it was JT)–that would be top shelf tribal material for sure. Not to mention all of the live tribal talk and confusion. It was glorious. The outcome sucks, but in time people will come to appreciate it for how amazing it was.

    • Peter Parker

      I’d absolutely hate that twist if these were all noobies,but with a lot of this cast on their 3rd and 4th go at it Production should make things harder on them and throw twists at them to make sure we keep getting riveting tv. How dull would this be if we just had to slough through a predictable JT or Hali tonight then the other next week. At the very least a JT slaughter will be entertaining and justified if it happens next week as opposed to a boring swap *uck boot had they not created that 1 off twist.

    • Dutch

      The perfect gif!

    • VoicOff

      This gif will haunt my nightmares

  • gouis

    Someone check on Probst. The “people on the street” may have already murdered him.

    • the sky is falling

      Time for a black dynamite list of top 10 worst twists

      • Kemper Boyd

        Agreed. Or at least Top 10 twist screwed.

        • Maritimer

          I know who number 1 is (hint: its Malcolm) (okay fine, maybe Michelle Yi)

          • Kemper Boyd

            Michelle Yi is forever number 1. Full blown twistfucked.

          • Kingoftonga

            Wanda and Jonathan from Palau would like a word.

          • Max_Jets

            Up there, but they at least got to socialize for a day and had plenty of opportunities to be chosen. Michelle Yi was well positioned and then had a near zero chance to save herself.

          • Kemper Boyd

            True but Jonathan and Wanda also fucked off a lot of people in that first night before the choices. Michelle Yi just got screwed by being in an immunity with only people from an opposition alliance after the fucking swap.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            It’s Michelle Yi. There was nothing she could do, and it was a BS twist. Malcolm, while the victim of a BS twist, had options that might have hurt his game later, but could have preserved him then. Michelle Yi had none.

    • Kemper Boyd

      if @disqus_GpYJ355BVM:disqus hadn’t told me there were spoilers then I’d be tempted to read the facebook page.

      • Yeah, not a good place to be

        • gouis

          Did they know about this?

          • No, I am still talking about last week.

            However, interestingly, last weekend, Reddit was like “Has there ever been a two tribal comes together and vote out one person?” so regular Survivor reddit is spoiled.

          • Streets_Ahead

            It’s possible but as soon as I saw the tweet from the survivor account yesterday it seem like that’s where they were going to me anyway.

          • But this was last weekend, not yesterday. Yesterday would be excusable.

  • I have thought about it long and hard (or rather, for five minutes) and have concluded that of the many, many people I could blame for this disastrous outcome…

    I blame Varner. He had ONE JOB.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I still blame Troy.

      • Kemper Boyd

        #alwaystroysfault

    • Kingoftonga

      Well, two jobs. And he was a pretty good shouter!

      • Fair play.

        It’s still his fault. Ball, hole, Tavua, probably a Hali exit, but if not then a Troy idol and someone I like less than Malcolm going home.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Varner should have swapped out when he got the ball in the inner circle.
      Part of me wants to add “phrasing” to that.

    • purplerockandy

      Varner never would’ve been up there if Michaela hadn’t biffed it completely.

      It was JT > success, Michaela > L, Malcolm > success, Varner > L.

      • Ms_Woozah

        Which is interesting, because Michaela did a good job on this same challenge last season.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        How in the world did Michaela biff the exact same thing she demolished last season?

        • purplerockandy

          I looked down when Malcolm had done it, assuming it was still Michaela, then argued with my wife that of course Malcolm wasn’t doing a thing that required steady hands.

          That she was able to rewind it to show me up will haunt our marriage for weeks.

          • Hornacek

            PVRs. Ruining marriages for almost 20 years.

    • purplerockandy

      Sounds like Varner was even worse at it than we saw.

  • PurpleTally

    JT needs to learn that loyalty to the tribe he’s on is more important than building cross-tribe alliances for the merge. He should know better by now.

    • Question for the crowd: Is this enough proof that JT needs a Stephen?

      • PurpleTally

        There wasn’t enough proof of this already?

      • gouis

        HE HAD ONE A BETTER ONE IN MALCOM. HE SCREWED IT UP!

        Or maybe Stephen is now underrated?

      • K.P. Watershed

        Absolutely

      • Kemper Boyd

        Malc should have been his Stephen.

        • gouis

          WE HAVE TO GO BACK

          • I DEMAND A RECOUNT

        • K.P. Watershed

          A few people have said this but Malcom is too easy-going. I think JT needs somebody like Fishbach who will more neurotically keep an eye on him and steer him straight when he gets a dumb idea.

          • gouis

            MALC IS PERFECT HOW DARE YOU

          • Prom King

            And Fishbach needs someone who can calm him down when he starts getting anxious. They are the wind beneath each other’s wings!

      • Prom King

        They completed each other and together made something beautiful. Tragedy and hilarity and tears and mean people laughing about them occur when they are separated.

    • K.P. Watershed

      Yep, exact same mistake as in HvV.

      Proven now to be a lousy strategic player without Fishbach around to micromanage him.

      • Kingoftonga

        I think it’s caliber of players, too. The aw-shucks good ol’ boy routine works better when the entire cast hasn’t seen you win one season and throw an idol to Russell in another.

    • I wonder if he is just making up for the fact that Stephen got to make the Exile Alliance in Tocantins with Brendan and Sierra.

  • gouis

    Can the next season just be Malcolm vs. Redemption Island level scrubs?

    • Parvatis2Idols

      Malcolm with the Manono tribe and no Kim

    • Maritimer

      Better be

    • Max_Jets

      Ugh, I hate how plausible this sounds

      • K.P. Watershed

        SURVIVOR S35… Malcom Vs. Ozzy

        (please god no)

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          NO. SHUT YOUR MOUTH.

        • Maritimer

          Malcolm v Jay on the other hand I could get behind (…phrasing)

    • Streets_Ahead

      But I don’t want Caleb to come back again.

    • Ms_Woozah

      10/10 would watch.

    • VoicOff

      NO FOR GOD’SAKE
      Why do you want to throw a free victory to Moustach Malcolm

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    I’m calling it – Malcolm will be back.

    • Purplerockmatt

      no offense meant with this response, but no shit

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        Super hot take, I know. But there’s only what, like 3 four time players? He’ll take his place among them.

        • 4 now.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I forgot Rupert. I blocked out Rupert.

          • PurpleTally

            That’s probably for the best.

          • Max_Jets

            Rupert would argue that he only got to play 3 times, so maybe you just agree with him.

          • Hornacek

            According to Rupert, he only played 3 times and a bit.

    • gouis

      Really going out there on a limb

    • the sky is falling

      Not long till they can do a season of 4 time players

      • Kemper Boyd

        Redemption Island: Malcolm vs Andrea.

        Done.

        • DrVanNostrand

          Nah, put him vs. a villain… and make it a grudge match. Malcolm vs. Phillip.

    • Streets_Ahead

      Outcast twist!!?

  • the sky is falling

    can’t read chat tonight, moping time

  • Kemper Boyd

    Frankly Malcolm got double twist screwed: Firstly: this to tribes one vote thing sucks. Secondly: how come there was an idol for Tai when Troy had to find it at a challenge.

    • PurpleTally

      I think they swap out the clues pretty regularly, though maybe hide them in the same spots. I don’t think they would hide an idol clue for a challenge idol that couldn’t be found before the next tribal.

      • Kemper Boyd

        No my point is, I don’t mind multiple ways of finding an idol in a season. I take offense to uneven ways depending on beach. If it’s challenge idols at Tavua it should be at Mana and Nuku.

        • Kingoftonga

          I got the feeling it was supposed to be difficult to dig up without attracting attention, but no one else seemed to be around when Tai dug it up.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Don’t care. Not equal to at challenge as it can be found until tribal. Also hidden before a tribal where you don’t need it hidden from your tribe.
            I just want consistency between tribes. It’s a similar principle to hating the haves and have nots in Fiji. Conditions should be equal as far as production can control them, the players and social dynamics are where things are fluid and different depending on people and tirbes.

          • PurpleTally

            Didn’t they say that they had a list that they were going through as idols were found? So, Troy finds the challenge idol, so the next one is dig at the beach and the next one is at treemail or at tribal or up in the trees somewhere or whatever. I just assumed that it got swapped out when Troy found his.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            If there was ever a tribal for the Idol Hidden at Tribal, this would have been it. I can only assume it will be at the merge then.

          • Kemper Boyd

            BUT THAT ISN’T THE SAME TRIBE. When they were at challenges in Cambodia, Wentworth found hers at the challenge but then Jeremy had to do the same. THE SAME. Then they swapped the way it’s hidden.

          • PurpleTally

            I think it may have been a clue for a challenge idol had it been found before the challenge, but they may have swapped it out based on when it was found.

          • Kemper Boyd

            still not cool with it.

          • PurpleTally

            I get that. I can see why production would do it that way, but it’s still not fair, you’re right.

          • tocantins

            There are many ways in which it can be fair, while still not being equal. The decision can be random (we have idols at camp, challenge, and TC, and each tribe gets one of them, decided randomly). There can be a set rule (the paper is blank, the producers have a rule to decide where the idol is depending on possibly when it was found, etc.). Etc.

            I agree with you that Survivor should not favor some players or tribes (it should be anonymous), but I disagree that it has to be equal. Even because it is *never* equal: tribes get different islands; they get different people in them; challenges favor some people types over the others; idol locations favor some people over others; and so on.

          • Kemper Boyd

            As I said, conditions equal as far as production can make them. This is fully in productions control. Islands, animal life, whether you get an infection from the shit filled ocean are not in their control, but idol hiding is.

    • Hornacek

      Jeff said pre-season that they were mixing up idols this season. They would do one hidden at challenge, then one hidden at camp, then one somewhere else, etc.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I have expressed my feelings below about not minding that, but minding that each level of idol, ie pre-merge, post merge, re-hidden aren’t the same as each other. I just feel each tribes idol should need to be found in the same way. Have the post merge one be the next iteration.

        • Hornacek

          At the start of last week’s episode, idols were hidden at the challenge and clues were hidden at each camp. Troy(zan) was the only one to find the clue.

          At the start of this episode, idols (and clues) were hidden at each camp. Tai was the only one to find the clue/idol.

          Wherever the clue/idol is hidden/re-hidden each episode, it’s the same at each camp. So Ozzy’s tribe and Malcolm’s tribe could have found a clue/idol at their camp in this episode.

          This changing of idol locations means that if someone has searched their camp for an idol, maybe 3 days later there is a brand new clue/idol hidden at camp, somewhere they already looked. Maybe there is an idol hidden in one of the places JT looked last week (when the idols were at the challenge) but because he already searched there he’s not looking there again.

      • m0nit0rman

        You know what would be cool? An Idol hidden in that pot the votes go into.

        • Figaro

          But then everyone who isn’t the first voter has to rummage through the urn with the votes in it, which I don’t think production would want. I hope the idol’s hidden out in the seating area somewhere and they had to figure out how to grab it in front of everyone without attracting attention.

          • Hornacek

            I think the fact that the voting booth has a window on the voter’s right and we’ve seen multiple camera shots through that window means that if the idol’s hidden at tribal it’s in that booth and to properly see someone getting the idol they installed that window in the booth (so it’s probably on the voter’s left when they’re writing their vote).

    • Maritimer

      So you’re in for grabbing our torches and pitchforks and heading for Probst and/or Burnett’s house I take it?

      • Kemper Boyd

        I just don’t need lots of twists, I think especially in returnee seasons the players make interesting and dare I say it game changing moves. Cambodia is full of one vote alliances (or yuk voting blocs) that switch things up a lot and allow a player like Wentworth the thrive from the bottom. Or Spencer to play himself into a FTC.

        • Maritimer

          Oh, I was being serious about the torches and pitchforks. I agree, Cambodia was all returnees and totally legit gameplay without unnecessary, bullshit twists. They don’t need to force it. I don’t know why they thought they did. This is why I like Survivor more than Big Brother

      • Hornacek

        “Let’s hang them in effigy!”
        “To hell with that. Let’s hang them right here in Boston Fiji!”

    • purplerockandy

      We don’t know that there wasn’t an idol for Malcolm at Nuku. They just didn’t find it.

      • Kemper Boyd

        My issue is the lack of consistency between tribes. That is all. Wouldn’t like it if Mana’s idol was non-challenge based too.

        • Hornacek

          Last week if someone from each tribe had found the clue there would have been 3 idols at the challenge, one for each tribe.

          This week, there were 3 idols, one at each camp.

          They’re mixing things up with locations of idols episode to episode, but for the different tribes, it’s consistent within each episode.

          • Kemper Boyd

            It should be consistent by idol not by episode. That’s a charge every three days.

          • Hornacek

            Jeff said during Cambodia that when they hid idols at challenges, they only hid an idol for each tribe if someone had found the clue. So if 3 tribes were competing but one tribe had a player find the clue, only one idol would be placed. And once that challenge was over, they got rid of the hidden clues at camp and planted new clues for the next challenge. So they are consistent for hiding and removing clues by challenge/episode

          • Kemper Boyd

            you are not understanding me. The Takeo idol had to be found at a challenge, the other tribe’s idol ALSO had to be found at a challenge. Here the Green tribe’s idol had to be found at a challenge but the red tribe idol didn’t. I don’t like the inconsistency.

          • Hornacek

            I’m understanding you, but what you’re describing isn’t what the show is doing or what they said pre-season what they’d be doing.

            During last week’s episode there were clues at each camp saying “There is an idol hidden at the challenge.” If no one had found the clues they would have been taken away by Production and new clues hidden for another idol hidden at a challenge. Once one person found this clue, then it was a ticking clock for the other tribes to find their clues because at that challenge whichever tribe had found that clue, their idol would have been placed in their section of the challenge. But once that challenge was over, all remaining clues saying that an idol was hidden at that challenge were taken away.

            Production said pre-season that they want to shake things up with the idols. They want an idol to be hidden at a challenge, then the next idol to be hidden at camp, then … etc. They don’t mean one single idol – if Tribe A finds an idol at the next challenge then in the next episode Tribe B and Tribe C’s idols aren’t still at a challenge, and Tribe A’s idol is hidden at camp. Every tribe has their idol in a similar location. The idol for last week’s episode’s was hidden at that challenge. Once that challenge is over that idol is gone and they move onto the next location for where to place an idol for all three tribes.

          • Kemper Boyd

            The instead you are just repeating things i have already stated that I didn’t like.

          • Hornacek

            Well then the problem is that you don’t like what the show is doing with idols (which is fine), not that the show isn’t being fair with the idols (which they are, even if you don’t like it).

          • Kemper Boyd

            No, you think the show isn’t being fair with idols, but I do think they are being unfair. You are repeating things I already said I think is unfair. Dude we disagree, that’s cool.

          • Hornacek

            Fine. I really don’t see how the show is being unfair since they’re doing exactly what they said before the season they would be doing, and it has been consistent week to week. If you don’t like their new idol rules, like I said, I can accept that. But their new idol rules are fair.

  • Mike Hirsch

    One-time Redemption Island? Please? That’d be a Game Changer! Just Malcolm on it! No duels, no fuss. Yes, I second the idea.

    • No shirts, also.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Maybe #CaucasianWoo could show up!

  • Taako From Teevhii

    If I had the gif from tonight of everyone literally scrambling at tribal, this is where I would post it. Because that’s what this chat is feeling like. Has one of our post-episode chats ever devolved this quickly?

    • Alkanarra

      Michelle winning was pretty bad. In a hilarious way.

      • Diego Armando

        I was furious and angry at that. For this I am just confused and sad.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Nope none of us know what to even talk about

      • gouis

        *LOUD NOISES*

      • Mike Hirsch

        Has anyone ever seen Excalibur? It’s a rather long movie about King Arthur and features a young(ish) Gabriel Byrne and Liam Neeson, and a reasonably-not-too-old Patrick Stewart. It’s totally bombastic and cheesy in a good early 80’s-movie kind of way. It even manages to work in the quest for the Holy Grail. Spoiler alert: everyone dies but Percival. I’d give it three stars, but this Malcolm business is coloring my worldview, so one and a half stars.

        • HBO CEO of Tits

          I know a young bruce wayne went to it before his parents were killed.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            “Young Bruce Wayne” makes me think of Gotham, which makes me even more sad than I already am.

          • Hornacek

            As crazy-bad as Gotham is, Bruce and Alfred’s final scene in the most recent episode, where Bruce vows that he will never kill, is the best the show has ever done convincing me that this is the story of the kid who will become Batman.

            The scene where Bruce has the shard of glass to Jerome’s throat in the hall of mirrors is pretty good too.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Possibly a different version of Excalibur, but honestly I’ve lost track of what version of young Bruce Wayne has gone to see that fateful and terrible night that Malcolm got eliminated by Production.

          • Hornacek

            Didn’t he go see The Mark of Zorro?

            Who am I kidding, that movie has been changed so many times, if they rebooted Batman now they’d make the movie American Beauty.

        • Purplerockmatt

          didn’t that movie have some R-rated parts?

          • Mike Hirsch

            Yes! Several R-rated parts, in fact.

          • Purplerockmatt

            than yes I know exactly what movie you are thinking of

          • Mike Hirsch

            It’s currently on HBO Go, and before I had my son, it was a great “Saturday afternoon fall asleep on the couch watching a movie” movie. Now it’s a great “Saturday afternoon Max is napping I should get things done but I have no energy so fall asleep on the couch watching a movie” movie. So, you know, it still holds up in that area pretty well.

        • I haven’t seen it, but I just edited a book by the son of the director (who’s also in it). Fun fact: they had to re-record all the dialogue because the sound quality was rubbish, and in the edit his dad replaced his voice with that of hid older sister’s.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Cool! And yes, the dubbing is pretty painfully obvious, not necessarily because it’s terrible, but just some of the voices are clearly not right for the actors, or there’s just something a little too clear and precise about them for a movie that takes place mostly outdoors.

        • I haven’t seen it, but I just edited a book by the son of the director (who’s also in it). Fun fact: they had to re-record all the dialogue because the sound quality was rubbish, and in the edit his dad replaced his voice with that of hid older sister’s.

        • StormofCuteness

          How could you forget to mention Helen Mirren?! Worth it just for her.

          • Mike Hirsch

            I should have, as she is ageless (except for -spoiler alert- the end of this movie). Also a ridiculously young-looking Ciarin Hinds.

          • StormofCuteness

            This just makes me want to watch it again. When I saw it, I knew almost no one in the film…yes, I’m that freakin’ old!

          • Mike Hirsch

            Yeah, the second time I had seen it was long after the first, and I was amazed by how there were so many people in it that I knew.

        • purplerockandy

          I now choose to believe that you stopped watching new movies 20 years ago.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Batman and Robin put me off new movies forever.

          • Hornacek

            Batman and Robin put me off new movies Batman forever.

            FIFY

        • Prom King

          I love Excalibur! That director has made some pretty enjoyable and often pretty goofy films.

      • Diego Armando

        I placed Top 4 in a Pokémon tournament this weekend. I made a stupid error that cost me my match. But it was still fun.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Congrats! Competitive Pokemon is so friggin hard, that’s really cool

          • Diego Armando

            Yeah, this was a local bring 6 pick 3 at an Anime Convention (Shuto Con). I am happy I did well. I almost got booted in the 16 round. It was a best of three and I lost the first match and was down to just my Aegislash against a rival Aegislash and Megakazam. I was able to outplay him and won round three.

            I also got to take one of the Tournament’s host Pokémon. I picked Tapu Koko since mine sucked.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Well now I gotta know how you pulled that off. Doubles, I presume?

          • Diego Armando

            Singles. I knew from a previous bout that his Aegislash had Shadow Ball, Substitue, Kings Shield and a steel move (with Steelium Z). Mine was Shadow Sneak, Iron Head, Swords Dance, Sacred Sword. He had lost some his lost health from Substitute (which my Weavile destroyed before taking a Corkscrew Crash). I also knew that a +2 Shadow sneak would not kill his Aegislash in Shield mode.

            I decided to go for a swords dance, figuring he would go back to King’s Shield (he was in attack mode from killing my Weavile) (he did). I then went for another swords dance, because I knew I could take a shadow ball in Shield form. I (barely) lived as predicted and got to +4. I then shadow sneaked, I knew he would King’s shield but could not risk him using an attack or substitute. I took the attack loss, but was still at +3. This forced him to use King’s Shield for a second time in a roll, which failed and he died to shadow sneak. Megakazam is fast as hell (can outrun a Gyarados with a dragon dance, as I learned) and hits like a mack-truck, but has the defenses of a paper towel and no answer to priority whatsoever, so he died instantly to shadow sneak (in the third match I proved my theory that Megakazam at full health could not take an unboosted shadow sneak from an Aegislash). I was proud of that.

            I then lost a match because I forgot Alolan Ninetails was part fairy. That’s life.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            And this, children, is why you don’t teach your Aegislash Shadow Ball

          • Diego Armando

            Sneak or bust.

    • Kingoftonga

      I have a text message chain with just me and my friend saying “What is happening?” back and forth for a good five minutes.

      • This is too reminiscent of November 8

        • Taako From Teevhii

          @purplerockmatt:disqus SEE?!? I’m not the only one

        • Kingoftonga

          That one went on for five hours

  • PurpleTally

    So, ignoring who got voted out, how did this tribal rank for everyone in terms of entertainment value?
    There’s a lot happening on Twitter/in this chat, so it’s hard for me to get a read.
    Personally, I love a good live tribal with lots of whispering and side conversations, so this was like Tribal Council porn for me, but I’m sensing that people didn’t like it? I’m confused.

    • gouis

      My jaw was on the floor.

      • PurpleTally

        I was literally screaming.
        Like, literally, not literally as in figuratively. Literally. I was so into it. I had no idea what was going on, but I loved every second of it.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      For some reason it was better in Caramoan, probably because I knew my favorite was safe. This was the same process, but there was significant risk involved. Too nerve-wracking, 7/10

    • I think I was too stressed out by the thought of one of my favourites leaving to enjoy it.

      And then one of my favourites did leave, and never again will we know hope or joy.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Honestly I am conflicted. Live tribals can be interesting because they introduce uncertainty, but in a process that is mostly worked out beforehand. The problem with this twist as I see it is that the two sides could not talk beforehand, meaning that it wasn’t about the social bonds because you can’t tell people where to vote during tribal for fear of idols.

      Also from a pure entertainment perspective I found it to be confusingly edited adn hard to parse which tainted it a bit for me

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        I agree. I love a live tribal. But it’s 20 minutes after, and I’m still not 100% sure that I followed what happened. That’s too confusing. I should have been able to parse it out by now.

        • Purplerockmatt

          rewatching should not be a requirement

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Where’s Probst and his dry erase marker when you need him?

          • Maritimer

            I don’t think I could rewatch. Not anytime in the next month or so

      • Parvatis2Idols

        It kind of reminds me of a Double Eviction in Big Brother for this reason. Like it’s the kind of twist (POTENTIALLY) where people can coalesce and get rid of a threat with minimal blood on their hands. Then again Big Brother has a different strategic structure and also I think the execution was v off in terms of narrative coherence and strategy

      • My biggest pet peeve is that when Brad finally dropped the hammer and told Debbie that it was Malcolm, the editors deliberately dropped the audio to create more suspense.

        • PurpleTally

          I get why they were trying to build suspense and keeping that a secret, but it left the TC feeling discombobulated. But, you know my love of hot mess tribals, so I loved it anyway.

        • Maritimer

          Me too. Because it telegraphed that the idol was getting played correctly

          • I mean, I got that hunch from the constant cuts to Tai. Go to my Twitter when I realize that Tai has found an idol while I was on the way home.

        • purplerockandy

          I think hiding that Malcolm was in trouble until the reveal of that vote was the right move. Whatever else you think of it, that punch LANDED.

          • Hornacek

            Agreed. I had *no* idea who was getting the first non-Sierra vote. Well, Brad’s voting confessional said “You are the best player out here” so I figured it wasn’t Michaela (just because no one saw her season so he wouldn’t know how good a player she is).

      • Diego Armando

        I’m with you. I think it was also a problem that the viewers were spectacularly invested in one side over the other. As I said earlier, this is kind of the like if we switched teams in Fiji, so that the horsemen tricked Yau-Man into wasting his idol and sent Earl home.

        • Roswulf

          No, it’s like if you had a tribal with a random selection of players that gave the Horseman the majority over our heroes, and then they knocked off a totally screwed Michelle.

          THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND IT WAS TERRIBLE!

      • Diego Armando

        For me afterwards, I am still confused and thinking, what happened? Did JT know what was happening? Why did Hali go with her shitty tribe?

      • Roswulf

        I’m with you. It scored very high on the “I’M TERRIFIED AND CONFUSED” metric, and that’s absolutely what they were going for, but I don’t actually like being terrified and confused.

        I honestly didn’t realize the core story of this episode- JT backstabs his tribe, but bungles the strike and loses his closest ally until I started reading the comments. That’s not what I want from a Survivor episode.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Way too confusing to be actually entertaining. Had there been a small moment of standing up it would have been fine. But it was impossible to begin to follow.

    • Maritimer

      Nope. It showed to me why if they are going to do this bullshit twist, they at least all need to go to the same beach. That’s not the point of Survivor

      • Purplerockmatt

        Yeah that is the thing. If both tribes went to a beach together… well I could be behind that

        • purplerockandy

          I’m not sure them being on the same beach would’ve made things LESS confusing.

          • Purplerockmatt

            oh please of course it would because the show would have the opportunity to pull people aside to get a confessional summing up the plans. there is no chance to do that in a live tribal setting

          • purplerockandy

            Sure… but the show would have also been motivated to keep it confusing for us to obfuscate the result.

        • Hornacek

          If not that, how about if they went straight to tribal from the challenge?

      • gouis

        It fundamentally broke the structure of the game.

        • VoicOff

          More than the return of Lil and Cie in season 7?

      • PurpleTally

        I don’t think it’s a twist we’ll see again, but having them go back to the same beach definitely would have made it a little more palatable.

        • purplerockandy

          Going back to the same beach would suck if you’re the person who understandably left your idol behind for a challenge and you don’t go back to your beach.

          • PurpleTally

            That is a really good point.

    • tocantins

      I thought it was awesome. I don’t mind the twist at all either. I think if anything it was unfair to the losers tribe. The truth is that Malcolm should be leaping with joy at the twist, but he screwed everything up.

      • PurpleTally

        I don’t really have a problem with it either, but I do understand why people don’t think it was fair or well-executed. The tribal itself with all the scrambling was awesome, though. I think I’d need to watch it a dozen more times to follow what was happening, but that’s what made it so fun.

    • Streets_Ahead

      I hated. One of the things I like about the show is the strategy but since they weren’t all on a beach together rather than strategy it was just a random mess of things that I couldn’t really follow. I felt like I should think it’s great because it was chaos but it just came off as a mess to me and since I couldn’t follow what was going on closely enough it was not interesting.

      • DrVanNostrand

        I thought TC was very entertaining, but I agree with you that this is the type of twist that really messes with the game mechanics. It may be a bridge too far.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Next thing you know, there will be 11 tribes of two racing across the Fijian Islands.

    • Max_Jets

      I think part of it might depend on how the rest of the seasons play out – if it’s not very good, this might be the episode people blame for that. I thought it was really entertaining but the forced feel takes a lot of the shine off and it’s not as strategically interesting as most live tribals.

      • PurpleTally

        That’s a really good point. Based on his role in this, I’d guess that JT is a likely boot for next week, and I think we’ll see some dominoes fall in terms of favorite players because of this, which people will blame on this twist/tribal. And that’s going to sour it.

        • Did I mention that she likes Gabon?

          • PurpleTally

            It’s 25th overall for me. It’s not like I *love* it.
            I just love Randy.
            But I can honestly see some of the people that are sort of Ann Veal picks having an unexpectedly solid and interesting game once they aren’t overshadowed by the elite players. Not that I want to see all of my faves gone, but I don’t think this is the final nail in the coffin, either.

          • You wanted to bump it up though…

          • Hornacek

            25th out of 33 seasons?

            History’s greatest monster.

    • sharculese

      11/10. It fucking ruled.

    • These Words

      I liked it. And I liked having the tribes at their own beaches. Added a new element of strategy. I didn’t want to see Malcolm go, but I didn’t want to see Sandra go either, and that’s who I expected to go toward the end.

    • Prom King

      I loved it and was completely entertained. Watched it twice before allowing myself to watch who was voted out. Was worried a bit for Sandra but was convinced it was Malcolm because the editors dropped the sound whenever Brad tribe started whispering names. Very sad to see Malcolm go but seeing such a big player go out during such a big tribal was great.

    • Figaro

      I really liked it (although it sucked to lose Malcolm), but I feel like all the people who didn’t like this tribal probably wouldn’t be complaining as much if Tai had misplayed the idol and FFSDT or Brad (or literally anyone on that tribe) had been voted out. Whereas anyone on Nuku getting voted out was going to piss off a bunch of people regardless.

  • Hornacek

    Random thoughts:

    Well, we didn’t see anything in the Previously On Survivor about Troy(zan)’s idol, so that bodes well for Andrea.

    “Hali, you have no options. None.” Why do returning players say things like this that they know will email used against them?

    Only 2 players per tribe compete? Lame.

    Brad makes a big comeback in the challenge. It’s like he has past experience throwing an object at a target …

    The less said about that post-reward challenge hashtag gotten the better.

    It’s kinda hard to take Ozzy seriously in his confessional with his Pippi Longstocking pigtails.

    Are Malcolm and JT going to vote out Sandra? Well we only got JT’S confessional saying that in that scene; we never heard from Malcolm.

    “We’ve got a huge lead guys.” Varner, why’d you have to say that?

    Aubry speaks right after the challenge and before the commercial? Her first confessional this episode? Uh-oh.

    Tai says he’s thinking. Debbie tries to talk about herself but FFSDT of all people is able to pick up on Tai having an idea that is worth listening to.

    Brad says in his business this is called a Mexican standoff. Which business is this? Football? Law? Interior decorating?

    THIS TRIBAL IS CRAZY!!

    Malcolm gets voted out! JT is crying. Sandra looks like she doesn’t give a f*ck.

    So much for most people’s winner pick. If you’ll excuse me, this room is rather dusty, and I have something in my eye …

    • DrVanNostrand

      Brad’s past experience would most appropriately lead him to bodyslam Troy and Malcolm, giving them both severe concussions.

      • Hornacek

        Next season – everyone wears a helmet at challenges!

        Also, in my Seinfeld rewatch I just saw your episode this week. “From The Hoffer-Mandale Clinic in Belgium.”

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      It’s kind of hard to take Ozzy seriously in his confessional with his Pippi Longstocking pigtails.

      I wonder how shocked he and Andrea were when they both showed up on day one with the same hairdo.

      • Purplerockmatt

        it was probably like the Tarzan/Troyzan scene in One World

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    Oh, that was some bullshit. I’ve never been this mad at an episode of Survivor that didn’t have Michele winning a million dollars. Malcom just got knocked out of the game by a guy who showed us in his first season that he couldn’t count to five using his fucking fingers! Ugh!

    • Maritimer

      I am more mad at this one that even Michele winning. At least her winning was fair

      • K.P. Watershed

        Agreed. It’s amazing to think this was only JT’s SECOND-worst move ever.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I’m torn. It was one of the most unfair twists ever, but it was also an incredibly entertaining TC.

  • K.P. Watershed

    What is FFSDT?
    F_ F_ Sandra Diaz-Twine??

    • Purplerockmatt

      No I call Sandra by name, that is Fan Favorite Sierra Dawn Thomas

      • K.P. Watershed

        Ohhhh thanks

        • Parvatis2Idols

          If you want to get spicy you can call her FFGCSDT (fan favorite GAME CHANGER Sierra Dawn Thomas)

          • FFLAHGCIDPSDT.

          • Parvatis2Idols

            Dare I ask what those letters stand for

          • I had to change it to “IP”=Idol Playing

          • Parvatis2Idols

            wait but what does LAH stand for then :O (I haven’t seen Sierra’s season)

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Legacy Advantage Holder

          • It’s Legacy Advantage Holder.

          • Kemper Boyd

            where’s the AT?

          • What’s AT?

          • Kemper Boyd

            Absurdly Tall. WHat’s yours?

          • Idol Playing….I forgot about Absurdly Tall.

          • Kemper Boyd

            why IDP not IP?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            This is why everyone should stick with the standardized, approved acronym MODBOCQOTA&TFMSDT

          • Because I am half asleep and thought IDP=Idol Play.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Did someone say my name? Well, not my name anymore.

          • Max_Jets

            What a reveal!

          • Taako From Teevhii

            It’s still incorporated in my avi (I’m actually not sure how long I should leave it like this)

          • Parvatis2Idols

            Oh god ya’ll this is more info than I could ever have hoped for

          • Kemper Boyd

            I favour FFGCATSDT.

          • purplerockandy

            OWSDT

    • DrVanNostrand

      It’s an ironic acronym.

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    Poll: Which Survivor should I be irrationally angry at about this? I’m choosing Debbie so far.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Always Debbie

    • Mike Hirsch

      Always a fine choice.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Go with it.

    • PurpleTally

      Until we can all find a way to blame Troy, Debbie is the best option.

    • Maritimer

      Probst. I’m picking Probst.

    • 1. Varner, for choking in the challenge
      2. Tai, for finding the idol
      3. JT, for spilling the beans
      4. Debbie, just because

      • Kemper Boyd

        it’s Troy’s fault.

    • K.P. Watershed

      Debbie can’t help herself. JT should know better. And this outcome was completely JT’s fault.

    • Roswulf

      I’m choosing Probst. Trust this cast, don’t do all this random bullshit.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Honestly? Sandra played the thing with Hali so poorly. From the start, but particularly when Hali said she wasn’t ready to vote. At minimum, the _second_ she says, “You might regret it,” you stop and see what’s up.

      • Hornacek

        “They don’t got no idol, girl.”

        Seriously, Sandra did not come off well here.

        And the look Michaela gave Sandra after she said that to her …

  • Mike Hirsch

    I feel that there is only one Simpsons meme that can sum up the way I fear this season is going:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/07ebe3262df40424465655af29cee239d54f0fdf6b90896f557c5491c06493bf.jpg

  • K.P. Watershed

    It seems like a lot of people are still confused about what ultimately went down during the chaotic tribal. He’s what I think happened:

    #1. JT screwed up. This was JT’s fault. He told Brad that the vote was on Sierra (was this not shown on TV?) and he asked Brad to take out Sandra. Brad used the information and took out JT’s ally instead.

    #2. Hali either didn’t know about the idol, or she didn’t know who it was being used for, or she was fed false information that it would be played for Brad.

    #3. Malcom was targeted because Brad is in command and, as Brad said, Malcom was the best player in the game. He was a threat to win and, without Malcom now that tribe is going to suck at challenges.

    • Purplerockmatt

      We did see JT tell Brad it was Sierra

      • And JT swearing that it was true.

        • K.P. Watershed

          I must have missed that when I was banging my head on the wall

    • Alkanarra

      Hali is definitely the wild card in whether her decision was brilliant or idiotic.

      The answer regards of her intentions or involvement is that her actions were idiotic. She was one of two people guaranteed not to go home. You sit on your hands and vote with your temporary tribe. That’s it.

      Why? Because with your old tribe you can easily claim later on that you didn’t know about the idol or that you didn’t want to give them false information because you were out of the loop. With your new tribe you can point out you were being loyal and never wavered. You flipping leads to a thrown challenge and your name put down. You voting with your temporary tribe is 100% forgivable by your former tribe as you had no information on the direction of the vote and couldn’t be held accountable. There is absolutely no reason to open your mouth in that situation.

      Luckily for her, JT played it worse.

      • K.P. Watershed

        Well said!

      • Quickly overlooked thing that stood out to me during my first watch of this TC: Hali thinks they can draw rocks at 11. Anyone else see the problem with that math?

        • Taako From Teevhii

          There could be a throwaway vote or a miscast vote that goes 5-5-1

          • But still…wouldn’t they just cause that 1 person to say which of the 5 votes they are going to.

          • PurpleTally

            They ALL have to agree unanimously to vote someone out. Without a revote, that person can’t just pick a side. With two tribes, neither will want to lose a member and it would almost definitely go to rocks.

          • Alkanarra

            Which, frankly, would have been the only conclusion worse than this one. Imagine if tonight resulted in a random draw instead.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            In a random draw, there’s hope for Debbie to go home. That was never happening without rocks.

          • K.P. Watershed

            Yeah, there’s a good chance drawing rocks would have worked out better

        • Purplerockmatt

          i mention it in the live blog… it’s like people don’t even read that damn thing

          • Sorry, I just got home.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            You guys actually live blog this?

          • Purplerockmatt

            nah i just fake it every week. no one has caught on yet

          • Taako From Teevhii

            *Scrolls back up the page* “Hey! These are all just Simpsons memes!”

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Y’all should seriously think about setting up a podcast.

          • Alkanarra

            They could name it after that tie-breaker rock. You know, the white one.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            That concept sounds like a game changer! Whiterockjohn and Whiterockandy host the podcast and Whiterockmark does the liveblog. We have a winner here!

          • purplerockandy
          • Purplerockmatt

            I hate you guys some times

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Mark, I’m sorry we’re all giving you a hard time.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I thought Matt was the Canadian one.

          • purplerockandy

            idk, a Survivor fan podcast? I can’t think of anything this world needs less than that.

          • Hornacek

            “If there’s one thing this world needs, it’s more Survivor podcasts. Could you imagine a world without Survivor podcasts?”

            (imagines a field with children of every culture holding hands and singing)

            Shudder.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I hate commercials too much to follow a liveblog.

          • K.P. Watershed

            The format in the small chat window was harder to read and follow than the old format

          • Purplerockmatt

            you can make it bigger by hitting the expand in new window icon (it’s the one with like four arrows that don’t touch)

          • Hornacek

            Or by getting a magnifying glass.

          • Hornacek

            There’s a live blog on this page?

        • I assume she meant if JT flipped incorrectly. Or if JT flipped correctly but SHE then flipped incorrectly.

        • indescribable hat

          They can now — no revote means 5-5-1 (or any other tie formed this way) goes to rocks.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Ummmmm, Brad told them at camp that Sandra was the biggest threat and they should go after her. FFSDT said they should go Malcolm.

    • tocantins

      If nothing else (I personally thought it was awesome, but people here apparently disagree), this episode gives us *a lot* do discuss.

      #1. Did JT flip, or was he only trying to secure favor with Brad by assuring him that it wasn’t going to be him? If he was just trying to calm Brad, then man, this was such a stupid move. But if he actually “flipped”, then it is not obvious to me that he was wrong. (Not obvious that he is right, either.) While the show seemed to try to imply that they could flip the tribe on Sandra, I really have my doubts. And if he is dead next tribal, he might as well play the long game, and even short game trying to get rid of the leader of the tribe.

      #2. By watching the show I got the distinct impression that everyone there knew of the idol. And it seems that she knew what was going to happen, when she said, “I think we need to talk more, guys!,” and when Sandra cut her off, she said, “Well, your loss…,” like she knew how things would end. My view is that she is connected to Sierra; she wanted to take Brad down instead. She was willing to flip to take him out, but not to take down her ally, which the other tribe wanted.

      #3. Yeah, Sandra is a threat to win, but she is not very scary player. Malcolm must seem much scarier to them, especially to Brad, whose plan of victory must certainly involve winning at least some IC.

      • DrVanNostrand

        I don’t think he flipped because he voted Sierra. I think JT just wanted to let Brad know it wasn’t him because they’re bros.

        • Kingoftonga

          Agreed that JT didn’t “officially” flip, and was trying to mollify Brad while still being able to tell his tribe that he wrote down the name they agreed on. Not a great look, but I’d only count this as an out and out flip if JT knew about the idol. I don’t think he did.

        • tocantins

          In RHAP, Stephen gave another possible version for JT’s actions. According to him, JT wanted to “blindside” Sandra, but do so sneakily. So he told the pink tribe who Nuku was voting for, hoping they would idol Sandra out. But he would vote for FFSDT, so that if they didn’t have an idol, he wouldn’t get in a bad position for nothing. (Of course, he didn’t predict that Brad would decide to take out Malcolm instead.)

          Naturally, Stephen is not at all impartial in this discussion (and to his credit, he is very upfront with that). But it is believable. We’ll have to wait and see JT’s explanation.

      • indescribable hat

        That was how I read Hali too.

      • Hornacek

        Michaela and Sandra did not know Brad’s tribe had an idol. Michaela asked Sandra “What if they have an idol?” and Sandra replied “Girl, they don’t got no idol.” leaving Michaela to glare at Sandra.

    • I am just now watching the rest of the episode and they made sure to emphasize that Hali did not know about the idol, because Brad wanted it to be played for one of the four (meaning Debbie, Tai, SDT, and Brad).

      • DrVanNostrand

        You mean FFSDT

      • Hornacek

        I didn’t see Hali in the scene where Tai told his tribe that he had an idol. It makes sense in that those 4 would not completely trust Hali and did not want her to tell the other tribe about the idol.

        • Yeah, although they were showing the full circle, so they could have edited Hali out. But, Brad did say the “4 of us” not the “5 of us”. But Brad is a bad counter, so….

    • DrVanNostrand

      I don’t think it’s clear that JT said it was Sierra. He definitely said it wasn’t Brad. And maybe that fact alone helped them by process of elimination, but I doubt it was intentional.

      • tocantins

        He appeared on camera saying it was Sierra, IIRC.

        • DrVanNostrand

          If so, I stand corrected. It was chaotic and hard to keep track of all the side convos. If he gave away the target, that is a huge mistake, because they all know idols exist.

  • Has anyone actually seen JT since this was filmed? Are we sure he’s still alive, and that Sandra didn’t murder him immediately after tribal? (Or at least, have someone else murder him. She’d have helped with the cleaning and everything).

    • Mike Hirsch

      That would probably make the promo, wouldn’t it?

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Everything was so crazy, I don’t even remember what was in the promo.

        • Debbie was yelling at Brad.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Oh, right.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Because he crushed her legs or something.

          • m0nit0rman

            How did he even get an SUV on the island?

    • DrVanNostrand

      I don’t watch “Next time on…”, but I’d love it if the “Next time on…” was a promo for a Law & Order episode about who killed JT.

      • Alycia Swift

        That’s the next movie shot by Rob C with a cast of reality “stars.”

      • Streets_Ahead

        It was Sandra

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          “Nobody get too attached to JT. We’re gonna eat him tonight!”

        • DrVanNostrand

          That would really ruin the brand. They have to go after about two red herrings before finding the real killer. Though I would love the montage of the police interviewing everyone on the island, and everyone saying some variation of, “Of course it was Sandra. There is literally no other possibility.”

          • “She’s wearing his skull as a tiara and picking her teeth with one of his finger bones.”

            “Yes, but that could all be circumstantial, sir.”

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            NOT RELEVANT, YOUR HONOR

          • Roswulf

            Yes, but the final twist? JT killed himself and framed Sandra in an elaborate scheme to accomplish…uh…

            Sandra did however eat him afterwards.

          • DrVanNostrand

            That was how Sandra always envisioned the division of labor. JT does the killing. Sandra does the eating.

        • indescribable hat

          Yeah, but she’ll let Christa take the blame.

      • Starring crack legal defense team Culpepper and Ford.

        • Hornacek

          With Kass in the Adam Schiff role.

    • Alycia Swift

      Ok. I like this system better because I can upvote comments.

    • itsafuckingSTICK

      Upvote for the callback to helping with the cleaning

    • sharculese

      Sooooo many Sandra as Jesse Pinkman jokes brewing. By which I mean really just the one joke.

      • I haven’t watched Breaking Bad yet, so unfortunately I don’t know what the joke is.

        I am amused however that when I google Jesse Pinkman, the info box tells me his parents are Adam Pinkman and…Mrs Pinkman.

  • Anthony DePaul

    JT was physically crying, as much as he messed up, hard to blame for this crazy ill-advised situation. Why Survivor would put in a twist that unnecessarily jeopardizes its best players is beyond me? Still processing this.

    Clearly Brad and FFSDT handled this well by making Tai feel comfortable enough to play the idol for them when he wouldn’t do that in his own season.

    And not voting Brad in the first place after him destroying the reward challenge is on NuKu as a whole. Or not booting Debbie or Hali who they know will never get an idol played on them. They played it to cocky and it got Malcolm Burned.

    Ugh just ugh

    • Alkanarra

      As much as she was their “number,” them voting Hali would have been brilliant.

      • purplerockandy

        Voting Hali is the Matt Elrod move. After the episode, I thought voting JT was the move, but that would’ve created a tie situation.

    • Kemper Boyd

      There is a truth that a twist rarely screws a bad player.

    • Maritimer

      I hope Probst spent the next several nights in his resort hotel crying over this twist

      • DrVanNostrand

        Crying and masturbating furiously.

    • K.P. Watershed

      It is NOT hard to blame JT for being a ****ing snitch. Again. Just like HvV.

      **** snitches man

      • Alycia Swift

        I really think he lost his game by this. The more I watch him, the more I think Stephen did more than we even saw. And I always thought Stephen was the brains of the two.

        • If there was only live video of how Stephen was processing this…

          • DrVanNostrand

            Is that happening right now? I’ve fallen behind on my KIA listening.

          • Alycia Swift

            Yes.

          • Not only this, this is the LIVE live KIAs.

          • Alycia Swift

            OMG, I was trying to forget about that. I wonder how it is going.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Black Dynamite is there so I am sure he will give us the play by play

      • Purplerockmatt

        they get stitches

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          Co-signed.

      • Anthony DePaul

        Hard to see JT playing again after this. Unfortunately

        • I thought this would be the season that JT would redeem himself and FINALLY get into the HOF….unfortunately, that is not the case.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            There’s still time, let it breathe. Adam got to fuck up three times before winning, JT still has two to go.

          • Maritimer

            He’s lost his shot at redemption, even if he wins again. I think. At least among the fanbase (and possibly me)

          • Anthony DePaul

            I think his win alone is HOF worthy. His FTC was one of the greats. That being said he has 2 extremely bad moves in his two most recent games. He isn’t the only person to blame here in this case. In HvV that’s all on him.

          • But, here’s the great thing: People are going to point the finger at him for this one reason: He’s the first person to walk over to the other tribe.

          • Anthony DePaul

            I mean his tribe is of course going to completely blame him, just not necessarily saying we should.

          • I could see many fans doing it. However, I think this is a widespread tragedy of errors. They could have went for Brad like Hali wanted, but nope.

          • Anthony DePaul

            Yep that was my part of my OP, like why FFSDT? (my phone autocorrected to FFSDT, which is cool)

          • I think Sandra thought she was their strongest female, which makes no sense because why are you trying to get rid of strong females and not just strong period and also I think Debbie may be stronger than FFSDT.

          • DrVanNostrand

            It’s INSANE!!!! Did they even watch Worlds Apart? Sierra changed the game by steadfastly refusing to change the game. Sierra is by far one of the 5 least threatening players on the entire season.

          • purplerockandy

            I think OWSDT was their Edgardo pick. They choose poorly.

          • indescribable hat

            Don’t you think we should retire the OW acronym? Just in case?

          • purplerockandy

            It’s happening. We may as well all get on board now.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I would’ve loved the play of picking the weakest member of the tribe and saying, “You would’ve voted Hali out next anyway. Do you really want to burn an idol on her?”

      • Anthony DePaul

        Yes that’s definitely the way I would have gone, play it a little safer.

      • These Words

        That would have been the right move for sure. No way they would have played the idol for her even if they had guessed right. Flush out their idol if they have one and ensure your tribe is safe.

    • tocantins

      Yes: people play the idol “up” (or sideways), never down. If Nuku had just went for Debbie or Hali, even if the other tribe was sure they were voting for them, they might still not play the idol; not being completely sure, there is no chance in hell they would. Nuku was just way way too arrogant for their sake. (Including Malcolm.) Sandra even said, “There is no way in hell they have an idol.”

      • purplerockandy

        Sandra just lost a key ally pre-merge by underestimating the power of idols and an idiotic move by one of her numbers.

        She is going to win again.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Excellent point about Tai and the idol!

  • Kemper Boyd

    Jesus, 323 comments. I’m off to bed. I’ll try and post incessantly on my journey to work. But until then know somewhere in London a woman is likely having a confusing dream about this tribal council.

    • Diego Armando

      I’m picturing you waking up in the middle of the night yelling “Fuck you, Brad Culpepper!”

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        That’s how I picture Monica waking up every morning.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I woke up thinking about it.

  • Ethan Kyle

    … Am I a terrible person that i’m just happy I wasn’t one of the 50 or so percent of people fucked over by the big winner pick going home in the fantasy league

    • Mike Hirsch

      Right?

    • DrVanNostrand

      I’m even worse. Ozzy and Troyzan are on my pick 4 team, so I was almost rooting for them to win.

    • jersey_luck

      No I happy because I getting so many points from the fact that I have Tai.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Does Tai get the “successful idol play” points or Sierra?

        • K.P. Watershed

          Tai gets the points

        • jersey_luck

          I say Tai gets the points because it was his idol was used in the successful play

    • YES.

      • purplerockandy

        Don’t worry, buddy. You’ve still got Troy on your team.

    • Max_Jets

      I’d much rather have a great season than a winning team, so probably.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Of course that’s not why you’re a terrible person!

      • Ethan Kyle

        I never said i’m not a terrible person

        • PurpleTally

          Right there with you, man. I was cackling in delight thinking of how my fantasy odds increased.

    • PurpleTally

      Yep. He’s not on either of my fantasy teams. This is fun for me, fantasy-wise, for sure.

    • Diego Armando

      I’m already out of it so I don’t care. I had him in my 2 person league, but I also had Tai, so it evens out.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I have Caleb, Malcolm, JT, and Sarah in my Pick 4, so there’s a non-zero chance I could’ve picked four consecutive pre-merge boots

  • PurpleTally

    *Once More With Feeling voice* I’ve got a theory.
    This season, they’re taking ideas they’ve been floating around for seasons but haven’t done and using this season as a test for all of them. Then they tie it into this stupid “Game Changers” theme because they couldn’t get the FCC to approve “Survivor: Sh*tshow Islands.”

    • Mike Hirsch

      Somehow I feel like we’ve slipped into The Wish timeline. Or Superstar.

      • Alkanarra

        Please, this is horse-off-the-wagon season seven shit right here. I guarantee whoever came up with this twist is the same person behind the slayerettes.

        OK, that was mean. Survivor didn’t screw up *that* badly.

        • Mike Hirsch

          I thought the freaking knights in season 5 was really where the wheels started coming off.

          • Alkanarra

            As dumb as the knights are, them running away in a Winnebago and being chased on horseback kinda saved that whole plot line for me. They went just over-the-top enough for it to turn back into greatness.

          • purplerockandy

            I don’t cotton to people slandering season 5.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Season 5 as a whole is good. Minus Riley, who sucked (although he did get his one good line of “People say they’re recycling. They’re not recycling” this season), and Spiral and Weight of The World (which was so blatant an episode of stalling I’m surprised Walking Dead hasn’t copied its plot).
            If I were to rank the seasons in my order of preference, I’d go:
            2 – even the bad episodes are enjoyable (except for Go Fish), and the great episodes are amazing
            3 – more consistent than season 2 but there aren’t as many outstanding episodes
            4 – underrated season, and the Initiative storyline hampers it, but it is probably the funniest season overall
            1 – season 1 hasn’t aged particularly gracefully, and the score is terrible, but its cheerful exuberance keeps it afloat. And Prophecy Girl is a perfect episode
            5 – a handful of great episodes (Fool For Love, The Body, Intervention, The Gift), and a fairly serviceable story overall, but the first time a lot of the dynamics between the characters just felt flat out wrong, and it seemed to struggle to ever really get back on track there
            7 – Buffy at its most mediocre. Kennedy and Rona were *the wooooooooorst*, the season plodded along like it was at 1/2 speed (I feel like if this season were 10 or 11 episodes it might have been pretty decent), and they freaking kicked Buffy out of HER OWN HOUSE. Really, the main highlights were Anya and Andrew. Even Conversations With Dead People felt like a bit of a stall. Full marks for Chosen, though.
            6 – abysmal. Once More, With Feeling is a country mile better than anything else. Two words that sum up how bad this season is: magic addiction. Giles, your excuse for leaving is bullshit. And look how well it turned out. Awful. Awful season.

          • purplerockandy

            How does it feel to be so wrong about things?

          • Mike Hirsch

            It feels pretty good.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            The Body isn’t a great episode. It’s possibly the best episode they’ve ever done.

          • Mike Hirsch

            It’s inarguably stellar and important, but it’s not something I’m going to go back and watch a lot. I need to be in a very, very specific mood to watch it, because as good as it is, it’s not exactly entertaining.
            But Becoming, Hush, Restless, I Only Have Eyes For You, those I could watch just about whenever.
            And the criminally underrated Bad Eggs.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            All Buffy is good Buffy, but I don’t agree about Bad Eggs, except for the line, “my eggs are Jewish.”

            The Body isn’t an episode that you necessarily go back and watch, it’s true (though I have, many times, for academic reasons) – because it’s painful, which it has to be. It’s also the first time that Willow and Tara kiss on screen, which is so important. I get emotional just thinking about it, honestly.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Bad Eggs has Buffy actually at the mall! And has references to The Wild Bunch, and Xander complaining about his bump. As well as one of maybe three times that Giles was something approaching complimentary towards Xander (the others being when he laughed at Xander’s “moon pie” joke in Phases, and when Xander defined something and Xander says “guess I’m done with the book learning” in a different season 2 episode that feels like it was maybe in Surprise or Innocence). Also, it was just about the last of the goofy, good-time episodes for a great stretch. It’s not great, the Bezoar is kind of dumb, but it’s fun and kitschy without trying to be anything other than fun and kitschy.

            That whole scene in The Body is fantastic, with pitch-perfect writing for Willow and some dynamite acting from Alyson, it’s kind of the culmination of Willow’s Willowness there. And also it beautifully illustrated how Tara could be Willow’s tether to reality and keep her grounded.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I knew the network had resisted any physicality between Willow and Tara up until that point. What I didn’t know was that when the network asked Whedon to take the kiss out, he threatened to quit (and that was the only time he threatened to quit). When people call it a silly show, I know it’s because they just don’t know what it was.

          • Mike Hirsch

            In college, during season 3, I wrote a paper on it, the premise of which was “despite the frivolous nature of its title, Buffy the Vampire Slayer is an incisive look at the hell that is being a teenager.” I loved writing that paper.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Season 2 is probably my favorite overall, if only because I think it made Buffy what it is. “Becoming” had me sob like I’ve sobbed before.

            But I don’t hate on Season 5, if only because The Body is beyond words.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Also I love how this is the third week in a row I’ve gotten to discuss Buffy on here. Can’t wait to bring it up again next episode!

  • tocantins

    Going a bit against the flow here, but many people seem to imply that Malcolm was just “twist-screwed,” and he got eliminated with nothing he could do about it. Honestly, I think that nothing could be farther from the truth, and Malcolm being eliminated here is more fair than it would be if Nuku had lost and voted out JT! (That is, JT was much more screwed by the swap than Malcolm by the twist.) Malcolm was just arrogant and played his hand badly. He just forgot how big of a threat he is, and he assumed that people would vote for Sandra. He talked the entire day with JT about flipping on Sandra or trying to work with the other tribe, so he shouldn’t be that surprised when JT went for it. (And JT actually talked to Malcolm about going over to speak with Brad!)

    In fact, the twist was *good* for Malcolm! If anyone should feel unfair (and it wasn’t), it should be the pink tribe! All Malcolm had to do was keep the 6 strong, convince or threaten JT to keep his mouth shut, and he would still be in the game. If he couldn’t do that little, the fault is on him. (I think he really didn’t care much either way about the TC, since he seemed to be absolute certain they were going for Sandra.)

    • K.P. Watershed

      Yeah, Malcom should have kept JT in line and told him it was a dumb idea to spill the beans to Brad.

    • DrVanNostrand

      In retrospect it was almost kind of predictable. If a member from either tribe had flipped, they’d be in serious trouble in every future TC until the merge. The best move was to pick the least likely player to get an idol play, and keep your fucking trap shut. But the first time Survivor introduces a twist, we often see chaos like this.

      • Jim

        In this situation you just have to go with the straight up strongest member of the other tribe if its not possible to split the votes and hope for the best. They tried to play that game tonight and it backfired and you just can’t know for certain the dynamics to know who is least likely to have an idol played for them or to find an idol.

        Culpeppers tribe could have been baiting tribe Sandra to vote for Hali and bam they go Pav and hand her an idol she did not know existed.

    • Jim

      Malcolm is just not a good player. He lets his arrogance get the better of him every time he has played. To add on to tonight how did he or the rest of his tribe not catch on that the other side had an idol to play? They were way to comfortable for the big disadvantage being down a vote especially the way Debbie was going in on Hali.

      And that this was a blind side to him that he was getting votes? Why the hell wouldn’t they vote for him he is one of their two strongest players and the other has ties to their tribe? When Hali said to vote out the strong. They really thought that meant Culpepper because obviously no one would dare think to vote out the golden child.

      He will never win because of his arrogance. Unlike say Boston Rob who is arrogant but he knew it, knew his strengths and weakness and had it work for him and fixed leaks in his game every time he played. Malcolm still thinks he is a strategic great despite getting out flanked by Erik and Tai.

      • Prom King

        I agree with all of that and am reminded about him going on about his so-called swag at the Philippines reunion. But I still love him. He’s charming and fun. As many have said, he’s the anti-Ozzy.

    • purplerockandy

      Goddammit. I was really hoping no one would have my take before the podcast. (Which is pretty long odds, but still).

    • Crappy

      I think Malcolm is arrogant to the viewers/camera but not to the people out there.

      – He never plays the leader role. That’s just his strategic style. Even in Caramoan when he was rallying his numbers, he was very understated.
      – Also it is a stretch to expect him to keep likes of Sandra, JT and Varner on leash. If these type of players want to do something, he can’t control it.
      – Fundamentally he was in a great position in that tribe. He could have either continued to be with Sandra and taken out JT or rallied with JT to get some numbers for a Sandra boot. Bonding with JT also would have given him an in with Nuku numbers.
      – This is what it took for his boot – an unprecedented twist, Tai finding the idol hours before the TC on the same beach Tony tried to find it out for 6 days, JT revealing their target to Brad, Brad deciding to target Malcolm instead of Sandra.
      -This is like Cirie boot from HVV all over again except even more unlikely circumstances combined to get a very good player out early.

  • Diego Armando

    Well shit. That sucked.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Poor Malcolm! He was so sad 🙁

  • Ethan Kyle

    https://media.giphy.com/media/z9AUvhAEiXOqA/giphy.gif
    The entirety of the Nuku tribe during the next episode
    Alternately JT after Sandra wrings his neck next ep

    • gouis

      The GOP has ruined this GIF for me.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Jesus, I got so caught up in this that I missed the start of Legion.

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    So, not to change the subject away from tonight’s horrible ending… but was Hali drinking blood at camp? What was that?

    • No, that’s was the colored water. JT had a similar thing with the blue water around his lips.

    • PurpleTally

      Also possible that they were imprints on her face from the coconuts.

  • Diego Armando

    Yeah that was exciting, but this is the equivalent of the 4 horsemen blindsiding Earl.

  • gouis

    This is what we get for complementing Brad last week

    • Purple Rock Emma

      The decorative balls in the trees really complement their buffs.

    • Hornacek

      Down with antiquing!

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Well, Malcolm and Andrea were my winner picks leading up to this season. Malcolm is obviously a bust, and I just think Andrea has been too invisible so far to ultimately pull it off. So…..who does that leave? Based on the first four episodes, who do you guys think has a legitimate shot at this?
    And, I don’t want to get too far down the “edit” road, but I feel like Sandra is really the only one who’s been featured prominently in these first few episodes. Logic would tell me this means she’s destined to burn out early, but….could she actually win this? Talk me down, people!

    • gouis

      Goddamn FFSDT

    • PurpleTally

      I hope it’s Sandra, but we’ve also gotten a lot of my winner pick Mr. Brad (F*ck You) Culpepper.

      • gouis

        But yeah it’s Brad. Truly the most mediocre timeline.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          I would kill for a mediocre timeline irl.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Oh yeah, Brad :/

      • Diego Armando

        This is entirerly my fault. I stated in the preseason that I thought Brad had a 0% chance of winning and the show decided to troll me. I am as pissed off as you are.

        • PurpleTally

          I’m actually liking him this season. More than I thought I would. I mean, Troy’s on my fantasy team, too, but I’d rather eat balut that see him win. I’m okay with Brad winning. If it’s going to be a mediocre person, I’d like it to be him.

          • Diego Armando

            He’s fine, I don’t dislike him. I just want a player who is awesome to win and I don’t like being proven spectacularly wrong.

    • I am still confused by why we got the whole “Ozzy is a provider” sequence at Tavua instead of actually exploring the dynamics there a little bit more. 3/6 got confessionals over there and 2 weren’t even present in camp life scenes.

      • Maritimer

        I briefly thought it was a throw-in the standard Ozzy schtick in his boot episode, because I couldn’t understand it either.

        • But it made a point of “they are not going to get rid of me” and we also didn’t get a Troyzan being jealous of him.

          • Maritimer

            Yeah, which is why I ended up ruling that out. It served no point, other than maybe casual fan service?

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            This was my best guess – Ozzy got to dominate his portion of the challenge, go fishing AND give his standard “they need to keep me around because I’m a provider” speech. He knows his audience.

          • Unfortunately he’s on a tribe with little showmance options because two are in relationships and one has sworn on showmances.

      • gouis

        At this rate Ozzy is going to be our best hope by the merge.

        • Hey…hey…have you noticed something? Cirie has gone real quiet real fast. That’s a good sign.

          • gouis

            In b4 Cirie and Sandra are out next.

          • I think JT’s dead meat on that tribe now, especially since they kept in Michaela and Varner talking on the way out.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Yeah, turns out Hali understood the implications of flipping better than JT. Score one for Hali, I guess.

          • VoicOff

            I like Hali, damnit.
            She was awesome tonight

          • tocantins

            And his only ray of hope in the entire tribe is gone. His only chance is a fast merge (to two), but he really has to pray they aren’t pissed enough to throw the challenge just to get rid of him; I can totally see that happening.

          • But, the problem is that he is going to have to rely on Aubry and Michaela more than ever because they cannot sit out Varner and Sandra now.

        • DrVanNostrand

          NEVER!!! He is literally my least favorite player on the season. He would’ve been my #1 Champions League pick if John hadn’t taken him first (thank you John).

          • gouis

            But Debbie and Troy exist?

          • DrVanNostrand

            #2 and 3. They are my Champions League team

          • K.P. Watershed

            He is my least favorite player from all the seasons

          • I hate him less than Troy, and he is capable of scoring points.

          • DrVanNostrand

            After this week, I believe Troy is still doing pretty well.

      • Diego Armando

        I think it is because Ozzy is popular and people like watching him fish. We are going to get more Ozzy no matter how he does.

        • indescribable hat

          Embarrassing to admit here, but I’m kind of a sucker for the fishing sequences. I prefer more underwater footage and less Ozzy talking though.

          • purplerockandy

            This is another thing: they are REALLY proud of their underwater sequences.

            And, frankly, they should be.

        • VoicOff

          But i am rooting for that ray over Ozzy

      • Prom King

        That whole sequence gave me the feeling that the editors were honoring him because he’s going to eventually go out in a humiliating fashion, yet again.

        • VoicOff

          I hope you are right it would help make those pointless “Ozzy is awesome” sequences go down more easily

          • Prom King

            It is what I am clinging to!

            A new thing to dislike about Ozzy this season: those pigtails. I hate looking at them.

          • VoicOff

            They are hiddy
            (But probably effective in keeping his hair out of his face and mostly free of little twigs and insects, which may be why Sarah has similar ones)

          • Prom King

            Probably. But unfortunately that means his hair never conceals those spiteful and sullen little eyes.

    • Streets_Ahead

      I’m exceptionally worried about the possibility of Brad winning. That interior decorating scene last week was so random and positive. Plus I don’t think he’s had any negative content.

      • Max_Jets

        I would honestly be fine with Brad, except I still want Survivor to be Monica’s thing.

        • PurpleTally

          That is the one downside to him winning (if the winner is going to be one of the meh players, I mean).

          • I think we have all had this feeling that this is All Stars 2.0 where a mediocre to decent player wins since the cast was announced in May.

          • Diego Armando

            Yeah, I was thinking Hali (which still could happen).

          • Max_Jets

            Well, it can’t be a worse season at least.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Don’t tempt fate with that.

        • Streets_Ahead

          He’s not the worst option but I want someone I like to win. If Brad can win that means basically no one I like makes the end game. Which is generally bad.

        • Other Scott

          I dunno I think Brad Culpepper is sort of awesome and I just don’t know why people find him meh except for the whole “Alpha Male” thing. He and Sierra Dawn Thomas literally outsmarted a who’s who of survivor greats tonight, which is….something.

          • Max_Jets

            Brad is cool, but I find him hard to root for when he is playing against some of my favorite players and aligning with none of them (not that he has had the opportunity to)

    • Diego Armando

      Zeke looked really good in the first two episodes. Maybe he will take control and keep Cirie around for a while. This can happen, right, right?

      • I thought Zeke went quiet after the premiere.

        • Diego Armando

          They showed a scene with him talking about Troy.

          • Oh duh.

          • Diego Armando

            I just thought he got an extremely positive edit in the pilot and I am desperate.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          I feel like he’s been quiet since the beginning of the MvGX finale.

    • Max_Jets
    • tocantins

      I don’t want to jump on that wagon, because it is way too good to be true, but if Sandra were to win this season, I believe this is exactly how the season would look like.

      But today I would put my money on Brad. He is being shown a lot; even today the idol play looked more like his play then Tai’s. (Especially the scene of Tai offering him the idol, and he saying, “Not me, her” looks so good for him.) Of course, part of this is simply because he is playing a really good game so far, but that doesn’t speak against his chances of winning either. His edit has been so good, that I’m not at all sad about the prospect of him winning. In fact, except for Sandra, at this point I believe he is the one I’m rooting for the most.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I’m hoping Brad is getting a David Wright edit, if we’re reading the tea leaves even semi-correctly.

      • His only real negative moment was when he was kinda talking down to Hali and calling her “Blue Eyes”.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          I wanted to make a comment about that, but I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope that he bonded with her and gave her a nickname offscreen.

          • It just seemed weird because Sierra has blue eyes as well.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            It struck me as Brad not caring to learn Hali’s name (I doubt this is the case), although the more I think about it, it could be viewed through a gender-dynamic lens. But if you’re going by most predominant feature, Hali is Blue Eyes and Sierra is Tall Girl.

          • It’s probably a good thing that I am not with Sierra because my nickname for her would be “Eyebrows”

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            “Hey, Groucho!”

          • I don’t think she would get that reference.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            The kids don’t even know Bugs Bunny anymore, do they?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            She does have nice eyebrows

          • prettyboyprobst

            You say that now…

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I was almost positive they were tattooed on during WA. I think they’ll be fine for another 25 days as long as she’s out there.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Umph, now you make me do math – it’s 4am over here!

          • DrVanNostrand

            Does she? They’re too much for me.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            It struck me as how he would probably talk to his daughter. So, endearing rather than smarmy but a bit condescending for an adult woman.

      • prettyboyprobst

        Not rooting for him, but I tend to agree with the reasoning. He’s a big factor this season at least, and also has the hashtag-game down. If not Brad, I think everyone that Mike suggested, JT (obviously not looking good), Varner, Sandra, Cirie and Ozzy still have some equity.
        Can’t really see anyone else winning.

        • What was the hashtag? What did I miss?

          • prettyboyprobst

            This time it was #COFFEEISFORCLOSERS to celebrate his Reward Challenge heroics, but he also got #WWMD in the premiere.

          • Holy shit, tonight’s hashtag is bonkers.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Going off-topic here, but we may have another loss to bemoan: It looks like the entire site that was hosting the tribe’s fantasy league is down or gone.
            Unrelated? I don’t think so.

          • It is honestly bonkers because I put my points on Tuesday with little issue, so I am really confused.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Ok, I may have panicked prematurely here, it’s back.

            It was just really weird because there wasn’t some random error code, but some sort of domain host placeholder instead. And while I thought it’s fun to think of this as some Malcolm-Fan pushing the red button, it was actually already offline when I tried to change my picks about two hours before the episode.

          • That’s good because that means that I get some points and get a bit of a boost.

          • prettyboyprobst

            You got one BJ method point and bonus points. I didn’t get to change anything, but that turned out to be a good thing, because I probably wouldn’t have put any points on Malcolm and got all the bonus points anyway. Maybe I would have changed the winning tribe from Tavua otherwise. Btw, I’m hinz&bleep over there, but I’m going to choose a new name soon.
            Em&Scout got us both in the bag with 9 points this round.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Yeah I think I overlooked Brad in my original comment due to the overwhelming sense of meh. But he’s actually doing a great job so far, and he has actually even been a bit likable. I think you’re onto something.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Brad, I suppose.
      Maybe Sierra?
      Hali, possibly?

      I don’t mean to be all eh, but EHHHHHHH.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I think you may have just named the final three……………………. 😐

        • Mike Hirsch

          Nooooooo I’m not right! I can’t be right! I’m terrible at predicting winners! Please do not let this be the time I am right!

        • Maritimer

          If that’s the final three, we burn it down

    • indescribable hat

      When I hear her name I hear the Dillon Panthers shouting back “Can’t lose!”

      “Sandra Diaz-Twine!” “Can’t lose!” “Sandra Diaz-Twine!” “CAN’T LOSE!”

  • Streets_Ahead

    Lost in everything else dose someone need to file a missing persons report for Aubry? She’s on this season right?

    • gouis

      Who?

    • She got the post-IC confessional, a TC question, and a very memorable gif. I think she’s a blip on the radar again.

      • DrVanNostrand

        Lots of reaction shots and she was featured in the post-reward segment as one of the tribe members who really loved coffee. OK, that’s weak sauce, but Michele won with featured clips like “Yay! Hamburgers!”

        • I don’t think she’s the winner based on this edit because her name was on the chopping block and she got very little screentime.

        • Streets_Ahead

          Michele’s edit to this point was way way stronger but that’s not even the point I was trying to make. As someone who I thought was entertaining and an expected featured fan favorite she has almost been non-existent. It’s not even about winning or not her lack of visibility is suggesting she doesn’t even matter at this point.

          • Wait…wait…wait…

            Is she getting the Cambodia Keith edit?

          • sharculese

            Did she fall out of a hammock?

          • Not yet, but I am keeping my eyes peeled.

          • sharculese

            As the resident barometer of Michele visibility, I’m pretty sure episode 4 was still in the territory where I was asking which one Michele was.

    • Mike Hirsch

      As a big Aubry fan, that’s another reason this season has been sort of pissing me off so far. It’s kind of like how I imagine all the big Kelly Wiglesworth fans must have felt watching Cambodia.

      Yeah, I know there aren’t any big Kelly Wiglesworth fans, I’m just using my imagination here.

    • Jim

      She is not making 900 neurotic gamebot moves an episode.

    • VoicOff

      She had a bucnh of amazing reaction shots.
      You could see the blood draining from her face

  • I’m shaking.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Well, when you finish up wash your hands and come join us in the comment section!

      • purplerockandy

        Man, I hope this gets 17 more likes when people finally get to this comment around noon tomorrow.

    • Diego Armando

      We all are. We need a blanket.

    • This is like Anna Kournikova somehow defeating Serena.

      • Brendan Guy

        Kournikova did take a set off Serena in one of their two singles matches, so Kournikova (in her prime) defeating Serena outright wouldn’t have been that surprising.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    For everyone who wanted to know how Live KIA went:

    The Live Know It Alls audience reacts to the Red Wedding. #Survivor pic.twitter.com/TcYyfjG9n7— Josh Wigler (@roundhoward) March 23, 2017

    • Diego Armando

      That’s about how I felt.

    • I love how everyone there was okay with Sierra being safe.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Is that how you heard it? I was hearing “No!”s, as in, “No! Nuku wasted their votes!”

  • Diego Armando

    The first 4 players gone were featured on the MvGX Finale. YOU NEED TO RUN AND HIDE, SANDRA AND CIRIE! Tai and Ozzy, do whatever.

    • Malcolm wasn’t on stage though.

      • Diego Armando

        They highlighted him heavily, though.

        • Yeah, but I believe people are only basing their “preview curse” on the 7 brought out on stage. So far 3/7 have left.

          • Diego Armando

            I could have sworn they brought out Malcolm. I am marking him curse adjacent.

          • purplerockandy

            I don’t think he was even on the continent at that point.

  • jersey_luck

    You know I have seeing a lot of hate towards JT but I still love him. However I will say he still one of favorite players of all tome.

  • Ethan Kyle

    Remember when JT was considered good at survivor

    • DrVanNostrand

      You mean last week’s podcast?

    • purplerockandy

      No.

  • I mean with 527 comments I’m sure it’s all been said about (1) how INSANE this twist was at best and patently unfair at worst and yet (2) how it was riveting TV because the insanity was classic and the unfairness somehow doubled back into some sort of paranoid, totally nonsensical ouroboros.

    But most importantly (3) this season has to be a boner-killer for Probst.

    • He’s not the only one losing wood here.

      • It’s so nice that I was actually able to pay attention to strategy with no hot guys distracting me. I wonder what that would be like in real life! Also, I couldn’t understand any of the strategy because they all lost their marbles so BRING BACK THE HOTTIES I SAY

        • Max_Jets

          JT is getting island hot again.

          • ……Yeah, he is.

          • He just isn’t my type. I can’t have Boomhauer minus the cartoon bod.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            That gap in his teeth is throwing me. He’s right there if his mouth is shut.

          • DrVanNostrand

            He sacrificed that tooth to the altar of Survivor!

          • I mean yes that’s the main problem yes

          • DrVanNostrand

            Really? Because I just think he looks a lot older. He had a boyish charm before, but now he looks like he’s 30 or something… because he is. The tooth doesn’t help though.

          • Alycia Swift

            He could afford to get it fixed.

          • Something Quirky

            32, I’m pretty sure.

        • Alycia Swift

          Yes, I miss Ken too.

          • sharculese

            I don’t.

          • I always wondered what happened if I clicked the down-vote. Now I know.

          • sharculese

            It doesn’t show up because every website disables them and I don’t care because I already know i rule. That’s what happens.

          • Hornacek

            Just install the Disqus Downvote Exposer in Chrome.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      We’re still missing the West Coast folks too. I’ve got my popcorn ready, they should be rolling in in about ten minutes.

      • They need to MOVE.

      • Purplerockmatt

        that is when the episode starts over there

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Wait, really? Welp, I might not be around for that, that’s too bad. I legitimately want to see the reaction in real time. Maybe I’ll stay up for it. Maybe.

        • I don’t think I can stay up much longer but I can’t wait to read this in the morning.

          • Will Andy even survive this? Time will tell.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            It’s gonna be impossible to sort through. I’m split on whether to even attempt staying up.

      • DrVanNostrand

        I think Andy is also an extra hour behind because the US fucked with daylight savings several years ago without telling Canada.

        Nevermind: I just googled it and apparently Canada is with us now

        • Hornacek

          Hey, without a Canadian the world wouldn’t have any time zones!

    • I think you mean a boner-producer.

      • I’m going to need photographic evidence of this, Barbara. I’ll wait. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a36b9cff048773ed7c226d55667b9ceffd18f40ed74dca6fe4f239e181a7a7ab.gif

      • Max_Jets

        With Ciera, Tony and Malcolm gone already? Nah.

        • But, if this is the season that proves that Brad Culpepper is a good player, wouldn’t that be a win for him?

          • Brad would save it, yes. Are we there yet? Are we really already resigned to the second darkest timeline? (Troy)

          • I am saying that for Jeff, the fact that he can finally say to America “You see, this is what you would have had a year earlier” is just brain Viagra.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Or just regular dick Viagra. Or both.

          • I did consider the irony of someone America roundly rejected actually becoming Sole Survivor. This…is going to keep happening in the world, isn’t it.

          • Alycia Swift

            This Brad seems ok. I’m not sure if he was voted in a year ago he would have played this kind of calmer, better social game even without Monica there. Getting the votes seemed to give some others big heads. Plus, I think the caliber of players in Second Chances was a little higher.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Debbie is a pretty dark timeline too. But as per my prediction, she’ll be out tenth, so, yay?

          • I wouldn’t hate a Debbie win like I’d hate a Troy win. I don’t know why. Feminism?

            Although I did hate the OWM win. I think it has to do with the people who would support the result. Like Scrotum Pollard and Kylo Jason would be infuriated by a Debbie win, wouldn’t they.

          • DrVanNostrand

            The fact that you’re having this argument means I picked my fantasy team well.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I’d hate a Troy win. A Debbie win would make me take a break from Survivor and contemplate why I watch this show.

            Or maybe it’s the other way around. Hm.

          • sharculese

            Don’t call him Kylo Jason. That gives him status. Call him Kyle, which is the dumb name he has.

          • Other Scott

            I feel like I would respect Kyle Jason a lot more if he didn’t just give up in his last tribal and throw a random vote at Joe. As is Scot>Kyle as Kaoh Rong villains

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Eh, Debbie has enough internalized misogyny that her win wouldn’t exactly empower the cause.

          • sharculese

            The promo suggests we have to be getting Debbie gone next week, right?

          • Alycia Swift

            I just want to know how Culepepper betrayed her. Did he not tell her to vote Malcolm?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I think it’ll be something else. They were sitting on the beach in broad daylight. If she were upset over that (did that even happen?), there would be a reaction as soon as they were back from camp.

          • prettyboyprobst

            My best guess is that something he said about Debbie got around to her, and she didn’t like it.

            A more interesting sccenario would be if Hali actually tried to convince people to play the idol for Debbie, after talking to her former tribe to help nuNuku, but Brad made the final call and told Tai to go with JT’s version and give the idol to Sierra.
            There is no basis for this speculation, but it would be fun to see Debbie freak out over Brad choosing Sierra over her, even though it was the correct call.

          • Mike Hirsch

            The way this season is going so far, every odd-numbered boot is one of the “eh” people, so hopefully!

          • Hornacek

            Or the start of the Debbie-goat arc.

          • VoicOff

            Could be a fake-out

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            It would at the very least justify the painting over his fireplace.

      • Alycia Swift

        It can be two things. Good TV – boner-producer. A bro leaving – one of his favorites – boner – killer.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Forgive me if this has already been covered or is painfully obvious, but it seems to me like JT was trying to have his cake and eat it to (and failed spectacularly on both accounts). In other words, he thought somehow that he could tip off Brad about the vote for Sierra and manage to take Sandra out while STILL seeming loyal to his new tribe by voting for Sierra. This was dumb on so many levels, but especially because what else is his new tribe going to think he was whispering in Brad’s ear other than the tip that led them to play the idol on Sierra??? And to top it off, Brad’s tribe did the actual smart thing and took out the biggest challenge threat. DUHHHH! This really settles the question of how much strategic acumen JT actually contributed to the JT/Stephen duo :/

    • Alycia Swift

      And because it was Sierra, Brad probably did not believe him.
      Its interesting how its automatically thought that all the men are challenge threats. Sierra was actually very good at challenges her first season except holding her weight which Carolyn won.

      • Prom King

        Brad motioned for Tai to give it to Sierra, so he believed him. Bros know when other bros are lying to them.

        • indescribable hat

          You have inspired a slightly melancholy viewing of “Hold Up, Bro.”

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I agree that Sierra is a challenge threat (probably the strongest woman out there besides Michaela?) but for a while I was still wondering why they didn’t just go all in on Brad, as he is probably the strongest guy out there right now plus he’s obviously leading the tribe. But eventually it occurred to me that they probably figured if Brad’s tribe had an idol, they would call that shot easily and play it on Brad. So, even though the episode didn’t really show us any of that conversation, I ultimately think that Sandra’s tribe made the right call by going after their strongest woman and seemingly their most “Who?” player. And it probably would have worked if it weren’t for that meddling JT 😮

  • Side Character

    So, to paraphrase what everyone else has been saying: What the f–k just f–king happened?

    I mean, I’m glad Sandra is still in, but man…that hurt. I don’t know whether to celebrate how entertaining the tribal was (at least initially) or burn everything for the outcome. I don’t even have Malcolm on my team and I’m upset (not as much as he was, though).

    • Burn it. BURN IT ALL DOWN.

    • Alycia Swift

      I wonder if Malcolm was chosen last minute. Didn’t JT whisper to him too?

  • jersey_luck

    So here is a question: was this a good episode or was it a bad episode? I honestly have no idea at this moment.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I won’t forget it, that’s for sure.

    • It reminds me a lot of the Caleb medevac episode in Kaoh Rong. Now stick with me here: Both episodes kinda features these long segments of confusion and sadness that ultimately leads to this kinda game breaking departure. However, the rest of the episode is kinda meh to forgettable.

      • Alycia Swift

        I wasn’t annoyed or angry at the KR episode. Sad, yes. But we knew a medevac was coming.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I vote good. It will take some time and perspective to figure out if I think this is a legit twist that they should ever think about doing again. But it was fun to watch in the moment.

      • jersey_luck

        Yeah to be fair they this is a twist they should only do once and never again. So we are agreement about that.

        • Hornacek

          If they ever did this twist again I would want both tribes to go straight to tribal right after the challenge.

          I have no idea if that would be better or worse.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Michelle Yi says it would be worse.

    • It was a fantastically entertainingly terrible episode.

    • It was a beautifully horrifically fantastically entertainingly terrible episode.

    • Streets_Ahead

      Annoying is how I would describe it. No real strategy or camp life. Just chaos.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I thought the first half was kind of lame and felt rushed. The second half was thrilling and nerve wracking but I can’t decide yet whether it was actually good, per se. I need to watch the episode again to see if it holds up after I already know the outcome.

      • Hornacek

        Lame? The first half had Troy(zan) blowing a big lead for his team and single-handedly losing the challenge, then being so ostracized by his tribe because of that that he was chosen (against his will, it looked like) to sit out at the immunity challenge. That was gold.

    • Alycia Swift

      I can honestly say this is the first episode I was annoyed with. Usually it is a character or something that happens – like the Will/Shirin situation – not a whole episode. And annoyed might not be the right word. Maybe angry.

    • purplerockandy

      Yes.

    • Prom King

      Great episode, been third out of three so far. Bodes well!

    • Maritimer

      Bad. I’m saying bad. But I would guess one’s opinion comes down to how they feel about the live tribal. The rest was pretty standard fare, with slightly less camp life. I hated the live tribal and thought it broke the show so I hate the episode

    • Diego Armando

      Yes.

  • Purplerockmatt

    Ok people. What did you all think of the new chat format? What worked for you? What didn’t? Please let me know.

    • Mike Hirsch

      I didn’t like how the new chat feature caused Malcolm to get voted off.

    • I’m going to temporarily feature this so we get some feedback. Then the featured slot is going back to a more worthy, episode-related comment.

      • Purplerockmatt

        as it should

        • Ethan Kyle

          I thought it was fine

          • Care to elaborate? Pros? Cons?

          • PurpleTally

            It was nice not having to refresh the page for updates. And being able to scroll through it one one page instead of having to load comments was nice. I also enjoyed the poll.

          • Ethan Kyle

            The old one had problems loading for me this one doesn’t

        • Alycia Swift

          I think I liked the system we had better. I can upvote people and my posts go up. Sorry.

        • prettyboyprobst

          +The poll was a nice touch and it was much easier to follow live
          +another way to participate

          – It doesn’t look as good on the site
          – see the problems brought up in Alycia’s post

    • sharculese

      Matt, you know I love you, but the straight up truth is that I only get to watch Survivor live about 5% of the time, and of those times I have my laptop in front of me to follow what you’re doing about half of them.

      I’m sure the live feed is cool for the fraction of the audience that gets to sit down and watch the show from 8-9 Eastern, but for me it’s just a series of spoilers, so I don’t even look at this page until around 11 or so.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I liked it live but I can imagine it would be harder to read through if I were watching delayed. I can follow the storify later as if it’s live.

    • I tend to read the live blog in the ad breaks, so from that perspective Storify reads better – this one meant I had to keep scrolling back up and trying to work out where I’d got to. And I feel like it minimises the ‘official’ PRP voice as well – your comments got kind of lost in the maelstrom.

      I also think it’s really easy just to prefer what you know though, so we should give it another week 😉

    • Violina23

      I was reading it after the fact and I definitely liked the old format (storify?) better.

      If I’m watching the show live, though, I’m commenting on twitter, not on the live blog.

      So I guess in both cases, I prefer the old format, but I suspect I might be in the minority.

    • Maritimer

      Watching live, it was great, despite the lack of ability to do Simpsons memes. I think I would agree with others though that if I was reading post-episode, its not as good

      • Purplerockmatt

        you can submit Simpsons memes to it! I will always approve those

        • Maritimer

          This is good to know

    • VoicOff

      I can’t charge the rest of the life stream by clicking on “more”
      But it didn’t work with storify a lot of the time either

      • Purplerockmatt

        can you explain this a little more? what do you mean “charge” also is this a desirable feature, what do you like about it or dont?

  • So, I just checked Twitter and someone has spoiled Emma already.

    • corndogshuffle

      Now what’d you do that for?

      • I didn’t spoil her. She simply tweeted that they were all shocked that Caleb was gone (which was a valid response) and someone else tweeted something like “It’s funny how Caleb and Malcolm were both close to Tony and now they are all three gone”.

        • Purplerockmatt

          Ugh people don’t be terrible dammit

        • corndogshuffle

          Stuff like that is why I turn my phone and computer off if I ever can’t watch something like Survivor or basketball live. Of course, I don’t live tweet for much of an audience.

          • I don’t either…that much. I especially can’t this season since I can see basically the last 30 minutes live. Tonight I only saw 5 minutes.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I watch football on stream and I constantly get texts from my brother that are a minute ahead. It’s so annoying.

        • Hornacek

          People are the worst.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Do you think she’s checking her mentions?

      • I hope she’s not, but you can’t warn her not to because that might cause her to want to check them.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Such are the dangers of live-tweeting any West Coast broadcast.

          • Yeah. It seemed innocent enough but yikes.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            *Stops spray painting “Ban the casuals from PRP” on a banner*

            Uh, yeah, innocent enough.

          • Kemper Boyd

            If I have to watch a day later I just stay off my survivor twitter.

        • Purplerockmatt

          she is good at not checking, so fingers crossed

    • Quick someone text her and tell her to burn her Twitter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Fool me once (by accident, during the WA finale and wow what a shocker Mike won…), and I never check my notifications during the episode again.

      • VoicOff

        Wise decision.
        You know you can probably even close/mute them for anybody you are not following.

    • purplerockandy

      She doesn’t check her mentions at all until after. Just tweets her own thoughts into the void without joining the conversation.

      Like me on a podcast.

  • Mike Hirsch

    At the very (very) least, Malcolm got the Jeff Varner Memorial Delightful Presence for 4 Episodes edit.

    • indescribable hat

      Serves me right for trying to take the first-episode edit into account for my pick-4 this year.

      • Alycia Swift

        I did that on last season and took off David on one of my picks. He went far enough where I should have left him on.

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    Okay, my phone can’t take it anymore. R.I.P. Malcolm.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Worth pointing out: Even after tonight of all nights, Sandra still has only one vote against her in her entire Survivor career*

    *Technically three votes were cast, but one counted cuz idols.

  • Ethan Kyle

    You know if JT wasn’t completely fucked before he certainly is now

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Hey, has anyone thrown out a “Fuck You, Brad Culpepper!” for good measure yet?

  • sharculese

    Hey, guys? Everyone who theorized about Troyzan idoling out Andrea? You brought this reality into being.

    • Don’t you put this on us!

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Guys, ten minutes out before West Coast broadcast is over (for real this time)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/569a08f082eb64aea3d3fbe89c6ddd7e7666cf1371a40f104e20edc3343f7eca.gif

  • Jim

    How is this JT fault or why was this wrong? If there was two tribals tonight he would have went home. His only plays are Sandra goes home or major split in the Alliance. The only thing he did wrong was not to warn Culpepper that he was now allied with Malcolm which was Malcolm’s only chance of not having votes placed on him. And even then Team Culpepper still have to vote for Malcolm because JT is just now worth as much as keeping that tribe going back to tribal while they stay safe.

    • Roswulf

      I mean…JT is now directly responsible for the loss of his only in-tribe ally AND has managed to shred all his bonds with his tribe.

      “The only thing he did wrong” resulted in his completely losing control of who got voted off, in a manner that torpedoed his own game.

      • Jim

        He is not responsible for Malcolm going home. Malcolm was always the right choice for team Brad. The only other player that even made a bit of sense was JT and they would rather him be around in case he makes it to the merge. The plan was always to use the HII on Sierra.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Except JT told the other side who to play the idol on if they had it and that got his only tribe ally booted. Leaving him completely screwed in his tribe without the other guy who made them win challenges.

        • Agreed with you on this: Malcolm was the right choice for Brad’s side. I disagree on JT being the other reasonable option. They had JT on their side before, and there’s a chance he still was; passing intel to Brad was a good indicator that he might still be working with them.

          • Jim

            I worded that wrong. I meant it more generically the choice is between Malcolm and JT as they are the clear two strongest people on that tribe. But, because they were on a tribe together and fairly close it then eliminated JT from any discussion of whom to get rid of.

            I would have to imagine Michaela was the secondary choice. Its not in team Brads self interest to get rid of Sandra as she is weak in most challenges.

        • Roswulf

          Given Mana trusted JT enough to protect Sierra after he identified her as the target, I’m highly skeptical that the vote was locked regardless of what JT did.

          But really, none of us knows what happened. This was ambiguous storytelling by Survivor, in the interest of selling the audience chaos.

    • tocantins

      That is a good point: everyone is saying that Brad screwed JT, but did JT at any point let him know that Malcolm was his ally? And how big of an ally was he anyway? I mean, we were shown clips of them working together and confessionals, they clearly seemed to be becoming friends, but it is not at all hard to imagine just after his confessionals Malcolm saying, “I really like JT, and I want to work with him, but he is in the minority, and there is nothing I can do for him.”

    • VoicOff

      I think JT should have guessed that Malcolm would in there mind and suggested another target. Telling Culpepper who is their target, in front of his ENTIRE tribe, is dumb.
      Making himself seems like the mole he is.

  • sharculese

    What the fuck is a jortcast?

    • Not quite shorts, but not quite a podcast.

      • sharculese

        So… The Huffington Post?

    • purplerockandy

      I think that’s Kevin Smith’s podcast.

      • gouis

        This should be the featured comment.

  • cazkaye

    I’m not 100% sure how I’m supposed to process what just happened

    • Tears? Breaking of objects? Profanity?

      • cazkaye

        I’ve done all of the above and my roommates are very worried

      • Hornacek

        I did all of those. I was watching this episode in a church and now I’m not allowed back.

        • They need to learn to practice forgiveness.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Malcolm made a good point in his Day After video: he was sort of the genesis of this Era of Live Tribals in Caramoan, and he was just booted by the liveliest of live tribals.

    • sharculese

      It’s almost as if (despite being a libertarian) Malcolm is a class act who appreciates fun Survivor play.

      • He is, which is one of the reasons it hurts to lose him. He enjoys this game as much as we do.

        • sharculese

          It burns. It burns so bad. But, part of the reason I refuse to let that affect how I feel about this episode is that Malcolm wouldn’t want it that way.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          I feel like Boys 2 Men should be pouring out alcohol right now.

    • Jim

      I have not watched the video but of course he takes credit his arrogance would not accept otherwise.

      • Max_Jets

        He was though. Should he lie and pretend he wasn’t for the sake of being humble? He had his “three amigos” moment and getting Reynold to give him his idol in Caramoan. In Philippines he pulled out his idol during tribal which lead to Abi doing the same and everyone scrambling and changing their votes. Since Caramoan there have been plenty of live tribals. There weren’t really any live tribals before Philippines.

  • Max_Jets

    This twist seems like a bit of a missed opportunity as it does have some potential. There is definitely some appeal to see two tribes going head to head at a vote before the merge. I think this is one of those twists where it would work well with another twist thrown on top, like how Blood vs Water fixed pre-merge Redemption Island. This would have been pretty cool if when swapping into 3 tribes they had brought back the One World twist and then had this twist here. It would allow them to build bonds and strategize with other tribes and allow for some interesting new wrinkles. The player that gets voted out would have more control over their fate and camp life would be even more exciting. It also solves the Angkor problem.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I like this, though I also like the One World twist in general. It’d be better if they all actually built one camp, as opposed to a cluster of adjacent camps, but this works none the less. I think production doesn’t want to dip back into that well, possibly in part because of how the season turned out, and because other twists (BBB, BvW, etc.) give them better seasons. They often show a “results over process” mindset in that way. For that same reason, they’ll just scrap this twist instead of generating ideas to fix the small flaws.

    • Maritimer

      This would be okay with me. Hell, as I said elsewhere, I would (likely) have been satisfied if they were put on the same beach post-IC to hash it out. It would have allowed for actual strategizing. I also generally think the One World twist is worth another shot, it was the cast that ruined that season, not the One World twist

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Counterpoint: If they had been put on the same beach post-IC, isn’t it highly likely that it all would have played out the same: the tug-of-war for Hali and JT’s votes, the “they know that we know that they know…” discussion, Tai’s idol decision, the shifting of the targets? This way we got it all in highly compressed form.

        • purplerockandy

          Co-sign.

          • Hornacek

            Tangent.

        • Maritimer

          While this is probably true, it also allows for some attempt at legitimate strategizing and social bonding. Maybe with more communication time, JT and Malcolm can actually shield themselves with a boot-Sandra plan, or they could talk properly to Hali. It at least gives them more of a chance to try to do something that the at tribal scrambling just doesn’t allow

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Something else to point out before I call it a night: Sandra didn’t have great reads tonight at tribal.

    “Hali, we can vote.”
    “Alright, but you may regret it.”

    “We didn’t she tell us who had the idol?”
    “They don’t have no idol over there. Girl, please.”

    • Head Architect Sylvia

      I don’t want to be that guy, because I love Sandra, but she is slowly turning me off Nuku. I love everyone on the tribe but every time it cuts to them it’s just nothing but Sandra and because she has power her sass/arrogance isn’t coming off as charming anymore like it used to. I want to see other people.

      And yeah, she was clueless tonight and a bit clueless reading the goat situation last week. I wish she was in the minority on her tribe so I could root for that likeable underdog again. It’s like she has power for once and she isn’t stopping to consider all the possible outcomes like she probably did during her previous seasons. At the moment it feels like she’s turning into a know it all boss that’s running her tribe into the ground. I wouldn’t be too upset if she got voted out soon so we can get more of a focus on the other people on her tribe.

      • Sylvisual

        Glad people are finally agreeing her social game is shit this season. Nothing will ever diminish her previous seasons, but damn.

        • Head Architect Sylvia

          Yeah, it is straight up terrible. It’s a shame, because we expect more from her and as a result I’m losing a lot of interest in what should be by far the most entertaining tribe. One person shouldn’t be putting me off that much but everything is always about her. Mana is my favourite tribe to watch right now and I don’t care what anyone else thinks.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Rob C. has alluded to this in the past, so it’s not a wholly original thought, but I think she really needs a foil like Russell or Johnny Fairplay to make the arrogance palatable.

        • Prom King

          Exactly. She’s a villain and has often acted like one in each of her seasons. She’s also a really fun character who’s put into underdog situations against much less likable villains, and so comes across as rootable and even vaguely heroic. Plus she thinks she’s a hero, just like a villain would.

          Not to say that she’s not one of my favorites. All-time favorite #2, after Cirie and before JT. This season is like all my Survivor dreams came true. Well if they had #4 Yau-Man, then it would be even more perfect.

      • Maritimer

        Frankly, once it became apparent she was going to blow the call early on at tribal, I was hoping it was her that was going to get the blowback and go home

        • I think from a storytelling perspective, that would have been excellent. The Previously Ons have been leading us to believe that Sandra has this empire, so what a fitting end for her to lose it all like Ozymandias. The Queen will stay Queen…of a ruined empire.

          • PurpleTally

            Agreed. I can see Nuku falling apart and Sandra being the last domino to fall, which would be entertaining, but also the darkest timeline.
            If she’s the last boot before the merge, I will be so sad. I at least want her on the jury, so we still get the joy of her at Pondersoa.

          • Diego Armando

            And then they take her to the end figuring no one will vote for the ruined queen and she wins.

          • PurpleTally

            We can only hope.

          • Yeah, but as someone else pointed out, we can hazard a guess that they are merging at 13 based on Sierra’s legacy advantage (I’m calling my shot here: if Sierra is voted out before him and doesn’t use it, she is giving that legacy advantage to Tai as payback). Malcolm is 17th place, which means that there are only three more pre-merge episodes which means that if new Nuku went to tribal for the next three episodes, we could end up with only two nu-Nuku members left at the merge,which would suck.

          • Alycia Swift

            But might take off a target. If that were the case, my guess is its either Aubry and Sandra or Michaela and Sandra.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        It’s really a testament to the editors that they can usually steer the audience in such a way that we actually root for the outcomes we’re about to get. I mean, pre-season, my biggest fear was that Sandra would go out early, and by now I’m kind of like “yeah, I could part with Sandra.”
        Similarly, how many of us viewed a Brad win as the darkest timeline, where now I’m not quite rooting for it yet, but I see the path and I’m not as disappointed as I thought I might be.
        It’s like arguing with a really great debater. You think you disagree with them, but by the end you realize you’re starting to get persuaded. You still may want to fight it, but you have to be a little impressed by their skills 🙂

        • Head Architect Sylvia

          Hmm yeah, they do a great job. I guess it’s the main reason why like 80% of the last 10 or so seasons have been pretty solid. A+ editing. Malcolm was an exception but it’d be pretty difficult to make him appear unlikeable.

          On that note, I think I’ll be happy with just about any outcome this season. All the returning players I liked are either the same or worse, and I’d still be happy if they did well. All the returning player I didn’t really like are becoming way more likeable. I like everyone bar Troyzan and he’s not too bad.

          Ahah yeah, that sounds about right – especially when rematching seasons.

        • Alycia Swift

          I still want to see Sandra. I’m not ready to part.

          But I also see Brad as a potential winner even though I am not rooting for him. I will be disappointed but will be more disappointed if it was Sierra. She was saved by Tai actually using an idol he found, and Brad and Hali to some extent trying to get the target off her.

    • Alycia Swift

      Also her basically telling Hali outright that they don’t need her was not a great idea.

  • sharculese

    I feel like I’m right at the inverse of where I w/r/t the general opinion last season, because while everyone else is down on it I’m looking at this and expecting it to go into its chrysalis and have a beautiful manticore emerge.

    More insane things are gonna happen. I don’t know what they are, but I have faith in their arrival. This is Survivor: I Don’t Know What the Fuck, and I love it.

    • Other Scott

      I don’t understand why people are down on this season. I’ve never seen anything like this season before.

      • sharculese

        Last episode was bad, outside of the goat killing stuff. So of what we’ve seen of Mamanuka Islands, so far 20% is a straight up dud. But, of the 2 votes we’ve lost 2 big names which leaves… a bunch of big names. We’re 3 eliminations away from the merge and it’s impossible for it to not be stacked with stars at this point.

        • Other Scott

          Well I mean the goat killing stuff was good and also you got a nice strategy move by Brad Culpepper. It was decent for a down episode.

          Also there was JT’s idol hunt which was also fun.

  • Head Architect Sylvia

    Late to the party, just finished. Unpopular opinion but I thought that was a great episode. I loved it, personally. That tribal was amazing. So much chaos and desperate shuffling. Mana played it really well. Sure, these twists are a bit unfair, but they make for great tv and you have to expect them when you go on the show. It’s Really sad to see Malcolm go but at the same time there are still so many other great players left and I’m enjoying seeing people like Hali and Sierra and Brad get some visibility and making some moves. Even Tai was great this episode. I really like the Mana tribe.

    One of the highlights of the episode may have been that juicy preview for next week though. Oh my word. Lovers tiff between Brad and Debbie. I cannot wait for ANGRY DEBBIE. It’s going to be a hoot.

    • I don’t know that the popular opinion was that it was a bad episode. On the contrary, I haven’t had an episode leave me floored like that in a long time. But in doing so, they have almost certainly lost future entertainment and gameplay that I would have enjoyed.

      • Head Architect Sylvia

        Sorry, “unpopular opinion” is totally overused and I probably just joined the bandwagon of people using it all the time for no real reason. I suppose that’s true, Malcolm is going to be a huge star every season he appears in, but at the same time I think the cast is good enough that other people can fill the void he left. I’m looking forward to some unknown entities getting the chance to prove themselves.

      • Max_Jets

        Malcolm is not in my top 3 favorite players for the season, but is probably the number one player for making the rest of the game entertaining.

    • Diego Armando

      This was an episode I can acknowledge as being good tv, but the outcome just left me sad and baffled.

  • Other Scott

    Okay why is the twist unfair? It’s basically a mini merge! Yeah the two tribes didn’t get to talk to each other and strategize before, but they were able to at tribal.

    Hot Take: People are only saying the twist is unfair because Malcolm went out. If Sierra Dawn Thomas went out no one would be complaining right now.

    The thing I’m most sad about is this probably makes JT a sitting duck, which is too bad because JT has been awesome so far this season.

    • Max_Jets

      If SDT went out people wouldn’t be complaining very much, but they would still think it was a dumb twist. There’s a whole thread from yesterday’s prediction episode dreading that this twist was going to happen and that’s without knowing the boot.

      “Yeah the two tribes didn’t get to talk to each other and strategize before, but they were able to at tribal.”
      Survivor doesn’t happen in a few minutes. Malcolm had very little opportunity to change the way the other tribe thought of him, as getting people to work with you takes bonding and time. That’s why the twist isn’t fair.

      • Other Scott

        You’re right, the reason the votes were on Malcolm was because the players on that tribe saw him as “Malcolm” (or whatever incorrect way they were spelling his name) rather than actually getting to play with him.

        That said, Malcolm had every opportunity to not vote for the person who the idol was getting played on, so it’s not like he was completely screwed

        • Peter Parker

          Malcolm also had the oppurtunity to cultivate relationships with these people before they stepped on the island.Also JT’s erratic behaivor on Heroes vs Villians is something he could watched behorehand so it’s not like JT’s stupid decision to tell Brad they were voting Sierra came out of nowhere. He could just have easily babysat/c**ckblocked JT talking to anyone from the other side so if the other side if played an idol they would have had to guess where the votes were going.

          • Prom King

            Malcolm and JT probably planned JT telling Brad together. A lotta whispering between the two at council.

          • But, did Malcolm know what JT told Brad?

          • Maritimer

            I think he might have known but didn’t have time to deal with it

          • Prom King

            My guess is that he knew he was telling him to vote Sandra but not that he was revealing that Sierra was their target.

          • Other Scott

            That was the sense I got as well. It’s hard to see how much of what Malcolm consented to though, JT kind of just whispered to Malcolm “Imma gonna go talk to Brad”

        • Jim

          They got rid of Malcolm because he is one of two strong members of the tribe. JT being the other one but team Brad has a relationship with JT but not Malcolm. If you are voting tribe strong the correct vote is always to vote for the other tribes strongest member. It was Sandra’s side that voted wrong by not going after Brad. Even if they used the idol for Brad and Malcolm still went home it was the correct play just bad luck.

          Malcolm screwed up (again) because he can’t put himself in shoes of other players and see their self interest. If he did that he would not have been blind sided and he could have been running to the other side trying to work some kind of deal. Or better yet he could have been talking to tribe members and trying to find some allies.

          The 50/50 that Malcolm had tonight is still better then JT odds if they went to tribal alone tonight. JT would have needed 2 out of 3 of Varner, Michaela and Aubry to vote against their self interest and take out Sandra instead of him.

    • sharculese

      And it’s not like Survivor has never set up situations where a tribe doesn’t get to strategize before the vote *cough* to final two best winner ever Yul Kwon’s advantage *cough*.

      Oh man, Scott, I feel like this season is about to be you and me teaming up against everyone else, and I’m down for it.

      • Other Scott

        This will be even better than me and Barbara Anderson complaining about Cambodia!

        Wait, were you the one who was with me being lower on last season as well?

      • Max_Jets

        At least we didn’t have yet another Asian woman get screwed by a weird twist this time.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Eh, the bottle twist isn’t great, but at least they had all been on a tribe together.

        • sharculese

          These people had all been in a casting process for a returnee season together, which is probably a bigger advantage.

          • Max_Jets

            I don’t think pre-gaming should be expected of contestants, because it’s not really part of the game. I know it can’t be avoided completely (one of the problems with returnee seasons), but I don’t think we should say Malcolm wasn’t screwed because he didn’t pre-game well enough. I also think being on the same tribe is a much bigger advantage. If Brad did pre-game with Malcolm, he still has no idea where Malcolm’s head is at right now and has no game based relationship with him. Either way, the bottle twist sucked too. We just aren’t talking about it because it was 21 seasons ago.

          • sharculese

            It’s not about pre-gaming. It’s that, if the standard is how much information these two tribes came in with, then these people have to have for, just by virtue of knowing who everyone is.

            I think Emma has a really good point and would be skeptical about this twist in a new player season for that reason. Here it worked, because everyone’s cards were functionally on the table.

          • Max_Jets

            I’m not sure if I’m understanding. Are you saying that Malcolm has seen these players on TV so he knows what they’re like and that is all he should need? I’m sure that’s oversimplifying your point (if that’s even close to your point, which might be going way over my head). But even if he somehow had a deep understanding of everyone on the other tribe as individuals, he still has no connection or relationship with them which is essential for getting a significant portion, if not the vast majority, of Survivor players to work with you. He is also missing key information, which is the social dynamics of the other tribe.

          • Max_Jets

            I will say that I am happy it’s not an Australian Survivor type of twist that rewards bad players and punishes good players by design.

          • sharculese

            I think part of what lets me roll with this and just find it fun is that Australian Survivor killed all the being angry at twists receptors in my brain.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            But what really crippled the AU Survivor post-merge more than anything, IMO, was the tribe dissolve, which hugely rewarded the good players (for a certain definition of good players).

          • Other Scott

            Agreed, at the very least if you have an unfair twist, have an unfair twist that has an equal chance of screwing over everyone.

          • Other Scott

            I think this twist actually would have been far less fair if SDT got picked off honestly. At least Malcolm had the majority and a chance to avoid the idol (and heck, a chance to flip if he really wanted to)

          • Max_Jets

            I agree with this. An idol being in play greatly improved the twist and might even be the only thing that could make the twist work at all.

          • Roswulf

            This is definitely true. Unfortunately, the mechanics of the situation- “daring underdogs having to guess right with their idol!” conflicted with the audience sympathies due to the personalities in play,

          • It’s also hard to sell the ‘daring underdogs’ thing when your alleged underdogs are original Nuku members, a tribe from which no one has yet gone home.

          • Max_Jets

            Mana are meant to be the daring underdogs, but we don’t root for the underdogs because they aren’t our faves.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I think anyone who got voted off, except maybe Hali because she would have likely gone anyway, would be justified in saying they were screwed by the twist.

    • Crappy

      Yes, if some red shirt gets taken out, the twist would not have been hated as much. But it is still dumb IMO because essentially Malcolm got voted out by a different tribe. Same would have been true if FFGCSDT would have been voted off. RobC always says that people loves twists, rocks etc as long as their favorite is not taken out and he is right.

    • Maritimer

      In my defense, I called bullshit on the twist when we found out about it on Tuesday. Though yes, I would be a lot less pissed if a redshirt got taken out, but I would still think it was unfair

    • Parvatis2Idols

      IMO anything production does is fair game. They manipulate the narrative of the season and the rules of the game at a whim. There’s a difference between being mad a fan favorite was voted out and at the twist itself, and I think that any twist is A-okay. The tribes themselves are really “real,” and there’s nothing anywhere that says production has to maintain false divisions they created until the merge.

  • Sylvisual

    Hated the ending, but that was an amazing play by Mana. Brad is becoming the MVP of this season so far, which is not what I thought going in. I liked the twist overall, and the sheer chaos of that vote was entertaining to watch. But man, Sandra is playing an AWFUL game this season. May she doom herself sooner rather than later. RIP Malcolm.

    Other notes:
    – Really? Your reward for starving people is 64 oz of caffeine? Were the burgers on back order?
    – Ozzy focus on Tavua meaningful or just to highlight their win?
    – I was praying JT didn’t fuck up another vote. Poor guy needs that image revival.
    – That immunity challenge was like Dan Foley’s Greatest Hits. Blindfolds AND octagon mazes? Hoo boy.
    – Tai is now 2 for 2 in successfully meaningful idol plays.

    • Other Scott

      Still 0 for 1 in successful vote doublers though. 1 for 1 in targeting the correct person with his vote doubler.

      At this point I’m trying to figure out whether Tai is overrated or underrated as a player and I honestly have no freaking clue.

    • Head Architect Sylvia

      Ugh I don’t know but I feel like we have to have at least seven Ozzy fishing montages each season. And a scene where he says “they won’t vote me out, I’m the provider!” At least one of those.

      I feel sorry for JT, it’s hard to be loyal to both sides and it’s the second season in a row for him in which he’s sort of tried to please both sides and he’s landed in a sticky situation from it.

      • Sylvisual

        WHICH IS WHY HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          That applies to both of them.

  • itsafuckingSTICK

    I think I need a cigarette… Jeez, that was intense. And the pure delight on Jeff Probst’s face during tribal was amazing.

  • StormofCuteness

    Am I losing my mind or do a whole bunch of people suddenly have the same avatar therefore making it darn near impossible to know who is saying what (currently Sharculese, John, Slyvisual, and someone else…all the same).
    I am clearly the worst at the internets.
    Also, being in LA means I come so late to the party…or, in this case, wake. I was so happy it wasn’t Sandra, but this was just dreadful.

    • sharculese

      Disqus probably isn’t fully loading, which means you see the site’s default avatar, which is a trophy of Will Sims II flopping over the side of a challenge ramp.

      • StormofCuteness

        Thanks for helping me feel sane again. I could not figure out what that trophy thing was!

  • Prom King

    Clearly I’m in the minority here, but this episode just confirms to me that my deep appreciation for JT is justified. He is one of the best characters of the series, whether he is being tactically successful with and against Stephen, or making amazing title tie-in game changing blunders. Love him! Plus he cried this episode, that’s a first for him. Over Malcolm, who’s probably been the cause of many tears.

    • Other Scott

      I can’t stand JT in Tocantins actually.

      But he’s one of my favourite characters both in this season and Heroes vs Villains.

      • Max_Jets

        Were you rooting for Spencer Duhm too?

        • Other Scott

          ….yes

          • Max_Jets

            I think he’d be a good pick for a second chance season.

      • Prom King

        Sounds like you like the JT the Blunderer the best. Hard to argue against the entertainment value of those iterations. But why couldn’t you stand him in Tocantins? I thought he was very likable, and that likability covering up his ruthlessness made him interesting as well. And I really enjoyed watching the friendship develop, that was my favorite part of the season.

        • Other Scott

          I think my problem with him that season was I found him particularly dry and mechanical in his confessionals, which was a direct contrast to why he was winning which was because everyone loved him. It really undermined the storyline for me to show everyone loving JT and then not having that lovable JT really come across to the audience at all.

          That was my perspective on him.

    • Something Quirky

      This comment made me feel better. I knew JT wouldn’t do particularly well, but I still really like the guy (I’ve called him my favourite player) and to have it be theoretically his fault that Malcolm, a player I’ve always really liked, but these past few weeks I loved him, went out too early, was really rough. (And for me it only happened an hour ago, so my emotions are still settling, even though it’s almost 3am and I should really go to sleep but can’t.)

      • Prom King

        I’m reminded of how rough it was seeing one top favorite, JT, remove another top favorite, Cirie, in Heroes vs. Villains. Painful. My three all-time favorite players (another is Sandra) all want to get rid of each other!

  • Crappy

    JT…hosed by someone on the opposite tribe again… I just don’t understand why he went over to BradC in the first place when
    – He did not know that they had the idol
    – He did not switch his vote to Sandra meaning even if those 5 vote for Sandra she does not go home
    He is a great character but his legacy as a good survivor player is just irredeemable at this point.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I completely agree. I have no idea why he walked over to Brad. There’s just no way that could have helped his situation with either tribe, no matter how you look at it.
      The only thing I can think of is that he was trying to reassure Brad that he wasn’t the target? But you’d think it would have been more useful to say “I am on the outs but I’m working with Malcolm and we want Sandra out. We will vote for her if you do.”
      Then the benefits all around are clear – for JT and Malcolm, they are both protected, a strategic threat gets taken out but they get to preserve the challenge strength on nu-Nuku so they might not have to go back to TC before the next swap. For Brad, his tribe doesn’t lose a person and he potentially gains an ally if JT survives and brings Malcolm into the fold.
      The big risk with this plan, of course, is that JT and Malcolm are sitting ducks if Nuku goes back to TC next episode, but JT would have been anyway. And with Sandra out, there might be a bit of a strategic free for all that could allow the numbers to reshuffle. Maybe they could pull Michaela over by making a challenge strength argument.

    • Alycia Swift

      And he goes after women, but its always the guys that have screwed him (Russell and Brad).

  • pufflehuff

    Bit of a gutting ending to have Malcolm leave and then be told, ‘next week, you get to look forward to Debbie shouting directly at you.’Aaaaaaagh!

    • Head Architect Sylvia

      Man, I must be the only one super pumped for angry Debbie. I genuinely can’t wait.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I kind of want to see what sets her off and how and how Hali and Brad react.

        • Head Architect Sylvia

          I’m struggling to think of what would set her off that much… Maybe Brad unintentionally excludes her from a reward or something, I don’t know. If it’s something really minor and petty I think it could be hysterical.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I hope he queries her water testing credentials.

          • Head Architect Sylvia

            Ahaha, “sooo Debbie I read an arrest report during the off season…” I hope this happens.

          • Kemper Boyd

            “so Debbie what exactly do you do for a living?”

          • Mike Hirsch

            I’m going to assume he merely asks her how she’s doing.

          • Kemper Boyd

            “you ever been to Florida?”

            “I WAS THE LT GOVERNOR OF FLORIDA, YOU HAVE CRUSHED MY HEART”

          • Alycia Swift

            Or disses Red Lobster.

          • Max_Jets

            I’m hoping it involves Hali trying to cause a rift between them.

          • Kemper Boyd

            “Brad, me or Debbie? really you want to work with crazy Debbie? REALLY?”

      • Other Scott

        I’m super pumped because it might be enough to save Hali next week

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        I am pumped in that I can’t stand Debbie and want to see her go down in flames.

  • this bear is tops blooby

    Just no.

    That’s 2 of my picks in a row. Whoa.

    And we get more of Sierra instead though.

    I like the girl, but she’s in no way as entertaining as Malcolm, yo.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I took him first in my 5 team league…

      • this bear is tops blooby

        I knew this season wouldn’t play out like a standard season so stacking physical players on my team wouldn’t be such a good idea, but ffs, that super early tribe swap screwed Caleb, and this TC screwed Malcolm. All production decisions, and not organic game results.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Yeah but when you have first pick it’s super hard to decide who to pick.

          • this bear is tops blooby

            Malcolm was a pretty good pick. No one could’ve predicted this, especially with him playing under the radar, and not like his bro game with Reynold and Bar-K guy (Eddie!).

            I blame production for this. This is all Scott Buck’s fault!!!!

      • Diego Armando

        He was my roulette pick and I took him first in my 2 person league. None of my family picked him though (2 took Debbie and 1 took Sierra)

    • Alycia Swift

      Or even as entertaining as Hali.

      • Other Scott

        I’m glad people are coming around on the Hali is entertaining bandwagon

        • Jim

          She was awesome since day 1 and the only redeeming part of that god awful season.

          • Roswulf

            That’s insane. I mean, I like Joe, and Mike, and Shirin, and in a weird way Rodney’s bullshit, but I understand not liking them.

            But Jenn being mean to awful people was “a redeeming part of a godawful season” incarnate.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Jenn’s post-boot confessional in which she details how much everyone sucks sustained me.

  • this bear is tops blooby

    Where’s Redemption Island when we actually need it?!!!!

  • Mike Hirsch

    This morning my thought is how the reward challenge seemed designed to make the winners super-jittery for the steady touch-required immunity challenge. Conspiracy!!

    • Purplerockmatt

      this is my new favorite conspiracy

      • We in the gossip biz call it Coffee Beanghazi.

        • Kemper Boyd

          This is a bad joke…

    • PurpleTally

      As someone whose biggest obstacle* for applying for Survivor is a hardcore caffeine addiction, that coffee reward is brutal. It’s like Shane smoking a pack of cigarettes in Panama after getting over his main withdrawal symptoms. I don’t drink coffee (I’m a Coke Zero girl), but if I’ve finally gotten past the withdrawal, I don’t want it again and then have to start all over.

      *apart from the fact that I don’t like the taste of water, don’t eat seafood, have no challenge abilities whatsoever, and most people in my life think I’m obnoxious

      • prettyboyprobst

        What could kaoh rong?

        (Does seafood include fish for you? Because I eat fish, but no other sea protein, and I’m not even sure why.)

        • PurpleTally

          I don’t eat fish or any other seafood varieties. Though, if I’m starving, I’d probably make an exception.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            You live somewhere landlocked, don’t you? Freshly caught fish cooked over a spit is really good. Mollusks too. Eel might be the best of all. It’s the locations with only snails that would get me down.

          • PurpleTally

            I live in Atlanta, so not that far from fresh seafood. I just don’t like it.
            One of the biggest arguments I ever had with my ex was when he tried to get me to eat seafood when we were in Halifax once. I’m not interested in trying more seafood. The smell turns me off of it. And texture.

          • Hornacek

            Upvoted for mentioning the city where I am right now (not Atlanta).

  • Other Scott

    The other reason I don’t feel that bad about Malcolm getting screwed is that he’s guaranteed to be back another season. I feel worse when someone like Anna Khait or Michelle Yi get screwed and it’s like…well, there goes your Survivor career.

    • gouis

      You would like Anna Khait

      • Other Scott

        I don’t actually.

    • Mike Hirsch

      I don’t necessarily feel bad about Malcolm getting screwed. My issue with this is that no matter which tribes wound up at tribal, one way or the other, this is ultimately one tribe getting to take a shot at picking off the other tribe’s strongest member. And that seems like inter-tribe interference to me.

      • Other Scott

        Right but the key is that you’d have to do it successfully and both tribes had a shot to do it. The Mana tribe succeeding and the Nuku tribe did not.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Also there should be a Survivor: Swap-Fucked vs. Idol-Fucked season.

      • Roswulf

        Three tribes I think, with an “What–the-hell-is-this-completely-random twist-Fucked”

        • Mike Hirsch

          Yeah, I was trying to work out how to phrase that potential third tribe. I like your wording.

        • Mike Hirsch

          Also, that tribe should start with only like three people on it. Because irony!

          • Roswulf

            This is brilliant.

          • Max_Jets

            Shii Ann, Michelle Yi, & Jenny Guzon-Bae

        • Swap-screwed:
          Brain Corridan (Guatemala)
          Aaron Reisberger (China)
          Anna Khait
          Kelley Wentworth
          Michelle Yi

          Idol-screwed:
          Phillip Shepperd AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
          Savage
          Malcolm
          Kelly Remington
          Kimmi

          Abi-Maria-screwed:
          RC
          Peih-Gee
          Varner

          Rocked:
          Jessica Lewis

          Fake merge:
          Shii Ann

          I need more.

          • Diego Armando

            Katie from BvW.

            Woo got Abi screwed.

            Terry got life screwed.

          • Maritimer

            Cirie got idol-screwed in HvV…by JT

            Maybe we need a tribe for JT screwed?

          • Alycia Swift

            We’d have to add Stephen – at FTC.

          • Roswulf

            “JT screwed” really is an all-star season in and of itself.

            I would watch Survivor: JT v. People Justifiably Irritated at JT

          • Maritimer

            Its possible we might have to up the numbers for that season if we want all former players Justifiably Irritated at JT

          • What if it were just Redemption Island: Stephen vs JT?

          • Maritimer

            Doesn’t get me Malcolm back

          • the sky is falling

            Don’t ever suggest another redemption island season

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Not to put too fine a point on it, but you can’t have this season without Sugar, and I don’t want Sugar back for a third time.

          • I think you need to add Petebro to your Abi Maria screwed for a few different reasons.

          • *gigglesnort*

            I would not object to seeing Petebro play again, actually.

          • I think he had some potential but he basically pulled a Brendan and didn’t even think that Malcolm was a threat.

          • He had terrible taste in alliance partners, but I like to imagine he could be a fun villain unshackled from Abi and Artis.

          • Other Scott

            Yeah working with Abi basically screwed over Pete, as Abi scared the rest of his allies away

          • Roswulf

            I think this overlooks the degree to which Pete coming across as an asshole, and also actively provoking Abi into abrasiveness contributed to that.

            Abi certainly didn’t help, but Pete was fully capable of digging his own grave!

          • You need to have Silas (Chip) from Africa on the swap-screwed tribe because he was the original victim of the swap.

          • Having googled to remind myself what he looked like, I am down for this.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I hate Silas sooooo much, but I’d still be in favor of this. He was the first to get screwed by this unprecedented twist.

          • Alycia Swift

            Wasn’t Pascal and Katie (Tina’s daughter) also rocked?

          • They were. But Paschal is probably too old now to play again, and Katie I don’t think is really interested. She should be in the mix though I guess.

          • Alycia Swift

            Tina seems like the type to talk her daughter into it. She did try to marry her off to Vytas.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Oh you must not have read her reddit AMA, I think she’d go back.

          • I FORGOT REED. ‘STICK TO THE PLAN’ SCREWED.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            F2 in the F3 era screwed: Cirie, Kass (indirectly).

            Also, I’m still cheesed off about Michelle. So unfair. But she wasn’t swap-screwed, the merge had already happened. And it was the real merge, so she wasn’t fake-merge screwed either. I guess it was the cone of silence that doomed her.

          • Roswulf

            I think she’s a key member of the Twist-Screwed tribe.

            Survivor tried something new, she got screwed, Survivor realized it was a dumb idea and didn’t do it again.

          • DrVanNostrand

            John’s favorite first boot who broke her wrist at the first challenge. I can picture her, but can’t think of her name.

          • Hornacek

            Courtney Moon.

            The fact that I remembered her name without having to look it up is proof that I need to take a long hard look at what I’ve done with my life.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Pascal and the Great Katie Collins for rocks too.

    • For a swap-screwed fourth-boot, Malcolm got just about the most glowing edit imaginable. It definitely feels like Probst’s attempt at an apology.

    • Maritimer

      I used to feel bad for Anna Khait, until I learned she was a Trump-supporting anti-vaxxer. Michelle I still think deserves another shot. So does Malcolm

  • forever1267

    I don’t have Malcolm in my Fantasy League, but I felt terrible for him at the end. That was insane.

  • forever1267

    Wait, what was the vote? Did JT vote for Malcolm? Did I miss that? Wait, what?

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Don’t quote me on this, but I ~think~ the vote was along straight tribal lines. After all that hubbub, nu-Mana all voted Malcolm and nu-Nuku all voted Sierra – which had to have been their original plans, right?

      • Taako From Teevhii

        This is what happened, yes.

      • forever1267

        …. I … think… so…. . Can you imagine what Eliza’s eyes would have looked like during that tribal?

  • Ms_Woozah

    Still reeling from last night. That was an absolutely riveting 10 minutes of television that resulted in an absolutely heartbreaking outcome. I’m still going back and forth in my head whether I like the twist as a concept or not. I think it only works in returning seasons, but regardless I hope they don’t bring it back for a long time.

  • Black Dynamite

    I survived the live Know It All’s event last night. Watching the episode with well over 100 Survivor super fans is such a surreal, fun experience. Lots of shouting and cheering that is just so infectious. It’s the nerdiest thing I take part of and I love every second of it. Also, shout out to Ms Woozah. Always fun to see a fellow PRPer.

    As for the episode itself, pure craziness. I nearly fell out my seat. The energy in the room just ramping up through every twist and turn. From the two tribe one castaway reveal, to Tai finding a last minute idol, to the Tribal huddling and great quotes. This all made what happened next such a fucking gut punch. The energy went from explosive to a fizzle as Malcolm gets ousted. Throughout the episode Malcolm was the clear fan favorite, along with everyone’s winner picks, routinely getting the most joyous reactions every time he was on screen. It was like a funeral when he was voted out. My rankings was wrong the other day. Malcolm was the worst possible outcome for this live crowd to get booted.

    The podcast afterwards was good. Rob and Stephen were solid as usual. Bret and Chris were a fun duo. Badass Sophie was at her insightful best. Billy Garcia got a few laughs.

    I had one goal at the after party, redemption for the blurry pic.

    Quick backstory: Four friends and myself play fantasy Survivor. Similar scoring to the PRP league. The one added caveat is that when someone on your team gets eliminated you have to drink a fireball shot. Because in Survivor fire(ball) represents your life. So we went and bought fireball shot bottles and put a picture of the Survivor’s faces on them. We brought the bottles with us to drink when one of our players get booted. I happened to draft Aubry on my team, which lead to this…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8fd5b7d46571cf6acdce5262f7b92955df630f0a2abf35ee16348de5f24e2f21.jpg

    • Alkanarra

      Wow, what are the odds that Denzel Washington would photobomb another one of your Aubry pictures?

      • Black Dynamite

        Well, Aubry is his current Survivor love.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Thanks for letting us know how it went! Sounds like it was a fun night!
      And I’m loving the crystal clear focus in that pic 😉
      So jealous!

    • Ms_Woozah

      This photo is such a gem.

      Sidenote: Aubry has had such a lowkey edit this season that while I was talking to her about the episode I forgot for a hot second that she was actually at that tribal. Luckily I don’t think that came across in our conversation. Would have been awkward.

    • Mike Hirsch

      More like Awwwwbry, am I right?
      That is an awesome picture.

      • Black Dynamite

        You are right. Her reaction to the shot bottle was absolutely the cutest. And of course she came off as super charming and engaging in our interaction last night.

    • Diego Armando

      May you never take the shot.

  • Bundi

    So can Sandra save her game at all? I’ve seen it pointed out below that she is a villain and had more unlikable villains in her two previous seasons, but I am surprised that for the past two episodes, she has been completely unable to read the room. I also couldn’t tell if she realized that JT and Malcolm were plotting against her – there was one ambiguous shot where Sandra was staring at the two as they were talking about her.

    I love the idea of her winning a third time, but at this point I am not completely certain that I want to see it unless she quickly takes more of a back seat and stops bossing people around.

    • tocantins

      Maybe my Sandra love is blinding me, but I’m just not seeing these mistakes that people keep pointing out. She did say, “Of course they don’t have an idol,” and she was wrong. But if you think about it, what was she supposed to say? They certainly didn’t have the votes to split; they were stuck on their strategy of going for one of the others, and if JT hadn’t screwed things up for them, that would have worked. It is much better for her to calm her tribe mates, even if she ends up being wrong, then letting them get scared and liable to do something crazy or stupid. And I also think that people are reading way too much on that goat scene: it doesn’t seem to have damaged her standing with the tribe not a tiny bit. It was just a funny moment.

      • Alkanarra

        Absolutely agree. To add to this:

        1) There is no indication that Malcolm legitimately cared about JT’s plan. He was reasonably agreeing with him in private because that’s a smart move, but otherwise we saw no reason to believe that he would have gone along with it, and they would have shown that confessional if he gave it. My read is that he was 100% committed to the Sandra plan.

        2) Sandra’s key to success is instilling an “us vs them” mentality. She needs a majority at the merge and to pick off the other tribe; that buys her time. Her confidence was basically a threat to JT to keep him in line. Frankly, given that they had the numbers and talk could only fuck up their plan (which it indeed did), she was completely justified in having a “no talk, let’s just vote” approach. While you *could* factor in the idol, talking to the other tribe was far more dangerous than just guessing.

      • Bundi

        The thing that bothered me about the goat scene so much was that her tribe was very against it and she did not seem to be able to grasp that. But maybe it was a more lighthearted (well as lighthearted as discussing killing a goat can be) moment in the camp that wasn’t that significant.

        • PurpleTally

          I think that goat scene was heavily edited to make Sandra come across a certain way in opposition to the rest of her tribe. Which very much worries me. I think Sandra’s cocky, but her social game is way better than it seemed in that scene. I don’t think she could have gotten that bad.

          • tocantins

            It is possible, but I believe they went with the “psycho-Sandra wants to kill baby goats” story-line simply because it is really funny. (I personally loved the entire scene.) I wouldn’t be surprised if in actuality she didn’t push for it at all besides her first comment.

          • Bundi

            I had a different reaction – I may be mis-remembering the scene as I was a couple beers deep at that point, but I seem to recall Sandra taking a very long time to realize that her tribe did not support eating the goat.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            IIRC, there was the initial debate, the “I’ll help clean it” line, and the confessional about “they’re here for our consumption”, then she herself called for a vote. I definitely think it was edited to be more of a deal than it actually was, and not for “edgic” reasons setting her up for a fall, but just that it’s TV gold.

          • Bundi

            Maybe that’s it – it’s not like they had a lot to work with since Caleb was the boot…

            I’m not anti-Sandra or anything but she hasn’t been portrayed in the best light, but maybe I am reading too much into things and she’s just trucking along…

      • Hornacek

        “She did say, ‘Of course they don’t have an idol,’ and she was wrong. But if you think about it, what was she supposed to say?”

        How about “They might have an idol”? If I was playing I would always be thinking that there is a chance that the other players at tribal could have an idol. For her to say that no, they don’t have an idol, don’t worry about that, that just comes off as poor gameplay.

        • tocantins

          My point was: okay, she says, “They might have an idol.” What will that accomplish? If the other tribe knows who they are voting for (that is, if someone (JT) is a snitch), then changing the target won’t get them anywhere, as JT will just tell them the new target. If the other tribe doesn’t know who they are voting for, then SDT is probably good enough as a target (I agree though, not at all the best). Especially since they don’t know who has the idol.

          On the other hand, by admitting the other tribe might have an idol, you are making your tribe mates nervous. If your tribe mates are nervous, they might try stupid moves, like screwing up the vote (trying to change it last minute and not organizing it well), or even saying it, “Screw it, if they play the idol I might go home, easier just throw Sandra to the wolves.” (Which might not sound realistic at first look, but it is after all something that Malcolm and JT were already discussing *before* the TC.)

          I don’t know if that passed by her head; probably not. Sandra plays more instinctively than strategically. Her thought-process was probably just: “Just don’t screw this up: don’t over-complicate things, and we will get out of here ahead. Just do the basic, people!” That thought process also explains why she wanted to vote soon. For her, the less talk the better; it was supposed to be simple. (And it really would have been simple, if not for JT.)

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I’m really partial to the idea that “Of course they don’t have an idol” was a smokescreen to shut down dissent and get to the vote toot suite. Even if JT defects, she believes still has the majority (Nuku minus JT plus Hali), but it’s extremely fragile. The other thing is that if JT defected so readily, they’re probably not targeting Malcolm. Which means they’re coming at the Queen, so shut it down before they can get a sixth vote.

          • Hornacek

            My point was that as far as Sandra was concerned, there was no way Brad’s tribe had an idol and they didn’t have to worry about strategically choosing a non-obvious target. Any good player that has played more than once should be thinking “They might have an idol, so we should try and choose someone they won’t be expecting an could possibly use an idol on.”

            Of course, that was likely all moot since JT told Brad they were voting for FFSDT. But still, it reflects badly on Sandra that she couldn’t even entertain the possibility.

    • Diego Armando

      I think she can. The last two times she played she lost her main male ally and was put at the bottom of an alliance. I think this loss could cause her to buckle down and play like the Changa we love.

    • UseYourCommonSense

      People in this thread are telling themselves what they want to hear. Sandra has zero chance of winning. In fact, I don’t even think she will make the merge. On Twitter she’s pretty pissed at JT so I think what will happen is that this tribe will keep losing now that Malcolm is gone and they will go to a bunch of TC’s one in which Sandra goes.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Despite my objections to Malcolm getting booted, I would be remiss if I neglected to point out that I do *not* object to that banner pic of Andrea for, you know, reasons.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Cosign. Although coordinating hairstyles with Ozzy is weird.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Oh I am all about that Andrea banner pick

    • Kemper Boyd

      Perve

      • Mike Hirsch

        I like that extra e. Makes it look classy.

  • You guys, Malcolm has a “day after” scene, and he talks about Troy’s massive dong. I am not joking. (Around 3:50 in the video.)

    • Mike Hirsch

      I just came here to post this:
      http://my.xfinity.com/blogs/tv/2017/03/23/survivor-castaway-malcolm-jt-trying-screw-us-100/

      Malcolm is a goddamned delight.

      • Roswulf

        What interested me most from this (and maybe this was common knowledge to others) was that Aubrey and Sandra are feuding. This on its surface sounds like good TV, but has gotten no attention whatsoever in the edit.

        Not a good sign for Aubrey that a potential plotline involving Sandra has been on the cutting room floor. Her best hope given her Invisible edit was that she had been assiduously avoiding drama.

        • Mike Hirsch

          Right? It’s certainly an odd edit, given how prominent Sandra has been so far.

        • Black Dynamite

          I’m holding out hope that it’s coming to the screen soon. That battle would be amazing.

      • Ms_Woozah

        I miss him already.

        • I could live without the discussion of Troy’s pendulous member. But, that excepted, I agree.

          • Something Quirky

            Well, you don’t know how many penises Malcolm has seen. Maybe it’s a very small sample size. (No pun intended.)

          • Well, judging by the read receipts on the emails I sent him, the number is at least 1.

          • This entire thread is rated D. D for Deeeeeeeeeeelightful.

          • Other Scott

            I feel like if it was about how small Troy’s pendu(less) member was you’d be much more in favour.

          • I’d actually kinda prefer we just didn’t talk about what Troy is packing either way.

          • sharculese

            “Troy’s pendulous member” John, can you just please please please change his name in your fantasy spreadsheets to that?

          • I would, except that it fucks with my formulas, which then requires work.

            I will, however, find ways to have some fun with this.

      • He is yet another person to not be nice to Hali.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Maybe Troyzan is still packing the HII.

    • Something Quirky

      THIS VIDEO IS NOT AVAILABLE.
      I may cry.

      Edit: I found another one.

    • DrVanNostrand

      That would explain why Troy is so cocky…. I’ll see myself out.

    • VoicOff

      And i STILL need a proxy to access it.
      Come on, CBS, stop being an ass, HBO let me watch all of the GIRLS, Little Big Lies and GOT videos my heart desires.

  • Something Quirky

    Are Sierra and Malcolm friends outside Survivor?
    If not, that kiss was really f*cked up.

    Also, not sure if this has been mentioned. Probably, but “They have a list of places to hide idols this season and Probst revealed
    that so long as an idol is found/played they’ll just move on down the
    list.”

    • Wait, Sierra and Malcolm kissed?

      • Something Quirky

        She leaped over and kissed him on the cheek just after it was announced.

        • Oh…that’s awkward.

          • Hornacek

            I took that as SDT telling Malcolm “Sorry, no hard feelings.”

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I took it as a Godfather Part II kiss of death.

          • Solid reference.

          • Hornacek

            “I knew it was you, Malcomb!”

          • But,I can also see it as “Haha” since they do know each other through So.

          • VoicOff

            I think it was a “no hard feelings?” Kiss

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      I’ve been racking my brain trying to figure out how they could hide it in the tribal council set. If it’s in the voting booth (I’ve been keeping an eye on that shelf of Pier 1 Imports knick-knacks), then it’s really unfair, and if it’s not in the voting booth, then I can’t see how you could grab it without being seen.

      • Last night would have been the night to do something like that to make it even crazier.

      • Something Quirky

        Probst has referenced hiding it there before, and he probably thinks of himself as the ultimate game changer, so I’m sure it would happen at some point.

        It could be in the voting booth, but you need a clue to where exactly it is?
        It would be great if you had to smash a jar or something attention-grabbing to get to it.

        Or it could be really obviously the pen, so only the last person to vote is able to take it, but everyone would know. Or something better than that.

        • Hornacek

          If it’s in the booth, there would probably be a clue hidden at camp, like the clue for an idol hidden at the challenge.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          If it’s in the voting booth but there’s no way to find it without a clue I guess that’s OK (but then what’s the point?). But if it’s hiding in plain sight (I like the idea of it being INSIDE one of the bottles), then that’s unfair. If you’re the first person in the booth, you just have to spot it. If you’re the 6th person, you have to spot it AND 5 other people have to miss it.

          • Hornacek

            I would guess it’s like idols hidden at challenges. They’re not placed at a challenge unless someone found the clue. So an idol hidden in the voting booth would not be placed there unless someone found the clue (probably hidden at camp).

            Otherwise anyone could just randomly find it in the booth. And if it’s visible to anyone there, you have to hope Jeff sends you to vote first, which is out of your control.

        • I don’t think it even needs to be that complicated. If you know there’s an idol at tribal council, and you know you’re the only person who knows that, there’s no need to grab it secretly. You just wait until you think you need it, then get up and grab it when Jeff says it’s time. Bonus : no one can search your stuff and find it.

      • Hornacek

        I’ve been saying the past couple of weeks that if an idol is hidden in the booth, it’s probably somewhere that a camera to the right of the voter (when they are writing their vote) would get the perfect shot of them getting the idol. The fact that they added a window to the booth and have been showing multiple shots of the voters through this window is telling.

        Of course, maybe this window was just added to get different shots of voters in the booth then the standard camera-facing-the-voter shot, and it has nothing to do with any hidden idols.

        We’ll have to wait and see.

      • the sky is falling

        The problem with hiding it in tribal council is that they WANT them to be found I think. survivor really doesn’t have to try so hard. they could run the exact same challenges and twists 2 seasons in a row and it would still work.

      • VoicOff

        Under the seats may be a simple, effective place to hide it.
        But production tells them where to sit so it may be too unfair.
        Or next to the rack of torchs.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      They know each other from when Malcolm was dating So.

      • Something Quirky

        So? (I may have mentally blocked a Collars contestant, I’m not arguing with you =p)

        And the interview posted earlier also mentions them being friends, so it’s not as terrible as it could have been.

        • The first boot of Worlds Apart and proud member of the Dirty 30.

          • Something Quirky

            I had indeed forgotten about her. The Dirty 30 is also something I’ve never fully understood, probably because I don’t follow contestants’ twitters, but from what I know it’s just that that cast became quite active on social media and bought into their own hype?

          • You got it. But, it was interesting to see the Dirty 30 start to crumble a little bit once they watched certain confessionals.

    • Kemper Boyd

      How did I help? What?

      • I believe you may have suggested a viewing option for non-American viewers.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Ahhhhhhhhh

      • Something Quirky

        What John said.

  • giorgos

    I don’t get the complaints about the unfair twist. I personally think every twist is fair game (even the outcasts) but what if it’s unfair? Yeah 99% of the audience prob wanted SDT out instead of Malcolm but we got one of the best episodes in the show’s history instead.

    After this marvelous episode my biggest stan for the rest of the season is JT stumbling his way to an Adam-like victory. It will be glorious.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      There’s certainly such a thing as an “unfair” twist, but so what? An all-returnee season is a funny time to become a purist anyway. Too many twists could lead to too much chaos (Cambodia, arguably), but “unfair” twists are OK with me as long as they increase entertainment value (Haves-and-Have-Nots and the merge twist in Fiji, for example, are huge failures).

      • giorgos

        I think this one is most similar to the Outcasts. Sounds unfair on paper, feels even more unfair because it allows unpopular people (Lil,Burton,SDT) to slay the populars (Savage, Rupert, Malcolm) but it created great moments for the show anyway.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Exactly. And an even bigger violation of the fundamental principles of the game than what happened last night. Although it is telling that they’ve never tried that again.

          • If there were ever a season when I would accept a return of the outcast twist, it is this one.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Tony, Caleb, and Malcolm would kick ass in the challenge, although Ciera might blow the puzzle again.

          • Unless it was something about big movez or digging deep, she is screwed.

          • Super duper fan

            If Jeff said “You can only return to the game if one of you agrees to put your relative in a 5-year isolation” Ciera would be all over that.

        • Max_Jets

          Malcolm creates more great moments by himself. His big tribals from Caramoan were both better than this because they were super entertaining and came about organically.

    • the sky is falling

      Is it really one of the best tribal councils in history, though? I can think of one recently involving Keith that was better. or even Malcolm’s hold up bro moment

      • Max_Jets

        Even from the last 2 seasons – Jessica, Mari, Debbie, Scot, Peter and Jennifer all had elimination tribals that rival this. The players create these moments by themselves.

        • the sky is falling

          I won’t disagree that it was an interesting tribal council. but historical tribal council is a high bar to top. I’d give it top half at best.

          • the sky is falling

            Ultimately, as sad as I was to see Malcolm go, it doesn’t shift the game dynamics for the rest of the season that greatly, which is how I would judge epicness of a Tc

      • Kemper Boyd

        I couldn’t follow what was going on. That makes it a bad TC in my opinion. I’d say the Scot boot was a better TC, Wentworth idoling out Savage, The no votes TC, Stick the the Plan, Hold Up Bro, the original purple rock was great.

      • giorgos

        To each his own. I think this tribal was better than “hold up bro” and on a whole different league than the “stick to the plan” one.

        • the sky is falling

          Yes, everyone’s rationale is different. as another commenter said, it was hard to follow what was going on in that chaos, which bumps it down in my estimation.

    • Max_Jets

      You don’t care about fairness, but some people do. What’s not to get?

    • Kemper Boyd

      I really don’t think this was one of the best episodes in the show’s history.
      The TC was too long and hard to follow, because they were not on the same beach there was no post challenge/pre tribal strategising. The first part of the episode was really boring too.

    • UseYourCommonSense

      Not the best episode ever. Not even close. Before Tribal, the episode was nothing special.

      • Hornacek

        We saw Troy(zan) (a) blow a challenge, and (b) be made to sit out the next challenge as punishment for blowing the challenge. What more do you want?

  • Super duper fan

    I just watched this, and I have to say WOW.

    I really liked this episode. While the first half wasn’t that meaningful, everything in the second one was great. Some quick things:

    -The Mana tribe played really well tonight: Tai found the idol, Sierra suggested targeting the most threatening player on Nuku, Brad directed Tai to play an idol for Sierra, and Hali stuck with an original tribe thus giving her more wiggle room in her tribe (phrasing).

    -I actually don’t think the twist is THAT unfair as some are saying. While obviously it led to the person being voted out was a massive physical threat, the conclusion of that Tribal I would argue is a very rare in all the universes with the same tribes going there cause a) someone had to find an idol on Mana,and b) they had to play it correctly. If someone from Mana went home I would argue that the twist was more unfair, but them being able to overcome the number disadvantage shows that if someone plays that part TC well, then they can be safe (I’m not necessarily rooting for this twist to come back, unless it gets some minor changes).

    -I’m sad to see Malcolm go, he would’ve bring a lot to the season. But, oh well, I didn’t have him on any of my Fantasy Leagues so I don’t lose anything by him being gone, and I predicted him to go, so I will have that to brag about,
    Some commenter : Um, but didn’t you pick him to go last wee-
    Me: Shh, shh, don’t take that moment away from me.

    -I see the light at the end of the tunnel for Hali, and I hope she somehow gets out of that sticky situation she is in (phrasing). I’m REALLY rooting for her. All hail the Queen of Crabs!!!
    https://33.media.tumblr.com/0ed849c82b62692eb279f9a118cd1f0c/tumblr_nl3243h3yz1sq0qzoo1_540.gif

    P.S. If someone rewatched the TC, could someone explain to me what was going on there exactly (with secret scenes if they shed some new light)? I will be now watching Live KIAs, so I’ll be back shortly.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I agree that this twist wasn’t THAT unfair. The thing about Survivor is that you always have a chance to strategize/negotiate/scheme your way out of a vote. If JT hadn’t blabbed about the vote going to Sierra, Nuku probably would have prevailed in the vote and Malc would have been fine. So, more so than the twist itself, I’d say Malcolm was really screwed by JT’s mistake. But to be fair, if it had been two separate TC’s, we would probably be talking about JT getting screwed by the swap right now.
      As many have said before, luck is a huge element in the game of Survivor, and I think that just about everything that happens out there is included in that – tribe make up, swaps, twists, fellow players, challenges, the elements, injuries, etc. Sure, some twists have more impact on the game than others, but it’s all within production’s prerogative to change up the game.

      • Kemper Boyd

        But I suppose that “screwed by the swap” is now a tried and tested part of Survivor and you do get the opportunity to win immunities and make relationships to make it through. This doesn’t allow new strategic play with some of the people who will vote for you. Malcolm got voted out by 4 people who spent not a single minute on a beach with him and had Nuku won it would have been the same. That’s one of the bits I don’t like. Even Wanda and Jonathan had a full day with the people who decided not to pick them in Palau.

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    There’s a useful tick-tock of the TC here (with some reinterpretation in light of where the votes actually went):

    http://survivingtribal.com/2017/03/23/survivor-game-changers-episode-4-tribal-council/

    • Taako From Teevhii

      This was very useful, but only 90% of it was correct. God, we’re going to need the Warren Commission on this one.

      • Roswulf

        More and more, this feels like a twist that broke Survivor. The editors are great, but this was simply a story that couldn’t be effectively told with their tool set for telling stories at tribal.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Probst wished on a monkey paw for more exciting tribals, and well, here we are.

      • the sky is falling

        Tony is hiding in plain sight on a grassy knoll.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Don’t be ridiculous, Dan Lembo used his Mafia connections to order a hit on Malcolm.

      • Something Quirky

        Well, Jeff has taken out a whiteboard to explain things to us before, so maybe at the reunion…

    • Jim

      That along with a re-watch clearly show JT not at fault it was the tribe’s and Malcolm’s arrogance. JT tells the tribe that he told Brad it would not be him but they didn’t care. Hali all but told them she was down to vote out Brad. They tell Hali instead its Sierra and Hali all but confirms to Sierra its her when she made the “I’m trying to change everything”. Then when Hali ask for more time to make her case to vote out Brad they ignored her giving Hali no reason to vote with them. Hell she straight up tells them they might regret it when they would not change to Brad.

      Team Brad straight up mentioned Malcolm as one of the people they would go after. A simple look at who would you vote out if you were in their shoes screams Malcolm with no one even a close second. And this was a surprise for him?

    • purplerockandy

      The important thing to remember here is that Jim is completely objective when it comes to Malcolm.

      • Max_Jets

        I’m curious if this objectivity carries over to Spencer Bledsoe.

        • purplerockandy

          Most definitely.

        • Jim

          Just trying to balance out all this uncalled for Malcolm love and JT hate.

          • Max_Jets

            I’ve got enough love for both of them.

          • purplerockandy
          • Roswulf

            Yup, incontrovertible proof it’s all Sandra’s fault.

            As JT would say (in that he actually said this the last time his dumbass idea torpedoed his game), never trust a woman.

          • Jim

            Yeah why no photos of Hali telling Sierra they are voting for her? Or photos of Hali talking to the tribe including Malcolm? Or that does not go with this theme that its everyone but Malcolms fault that he went home.

          • purplerockandy

            If JT doesn’t fuck shit up, Hali is immaterial.

          • Jim

            And if Malcolm, Sandra and the rest of the tribe dont tell Hali its immaterial

          • purplerockandy

            Don’t tell Hali what? To vote?

            There is no evidence they ever told Hali who they were voting for.

          • Jim

            WHAT? Dont tell Hali to vote for Sierra. Which was shown by having video footage of Hali in the huddle with the other tribe including Malcolm. The video and audio of her telling Sierra when asked by Sierra if it was her “I’m trying to change things”. That Hali told the other tribe when it came to vote,and she asked for more time, that they might not be happy with the result. I guess because they did not show the actual clips of Sandra telling her the vote is Sierra in order to increase the TV drama it didn’t happen.

          • Max_Jets

            Hali doesn’t tell Sierra that they are voting for her. Sierra asks if she is getting the votes. Hali only says that she is trying to change everything, but she is out of the loop. We never see the tribe tell Hali the plan. Malcolm says in his exit interview that they left Hali out, but surely that means nothing to you coming from him so I guess just wait for a different exit interview to come out.

          • Kemper Boyd

            The big difference is Hali is making the correct move for her game and JT is not.
            Hali makes it seem like she is helping Nuku by trying to get the target onto Culpepper, she is obviously trying to help Sierra (who she has an existing relationship with) and she isn’t obviously a traitor to her new tribe.
            JT on the other hand made it look like he completely betrayed his new tribe and his old tribe mates got rid of his closest ally.

          • Jim

            This was JT’s correct move for his game. The only way he makes it past the next tribal council is if the tribe fractures and right now the only way that is happening is with Sandra going home. Right now he is basically the same position he was in before the vote. Sure he lost an ally but that 1 other person really does not change that he is going home next time. This was his hailmary to have an actual chance.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I’m except that Nuku isn’t losing immunities with 3 tribes. He’s got Malcolm and Aubry doesn’t like Sandra that’s 3-3. He now looks like a traitor and he lost his closest ally and pay off what makes this a physically dominant tribe.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I had to go back and rewatch the tape because I feel like there are ten different narratives as to what happened last night. The first thing JT says to Culpepper is “They’re voting Sierra.” Immediately in response, Hali goes over to say “You have to vote Culpepper.” Everything breaks down from there, but we get a moment of Sierra asking Hali, “Are they voting me?” and Hali responding, “I’m trying to change it.” Like Malcolm said, JT never told Nuku he explicitly told Culpepper the target. Sandra loudly tells Nuku to stay with the original plan (which Culpepper knows was Sierra) and doesn’t reassure Hali to top it off.

    Now there are a dozen additional factors, and but I do think Sandra is culpable in Malcolm’s boot. Or if that’s too Malcolm-centric, she’s culpable in Mana correctly playing their idol. The two things above and not entertaining the possibility of idols before the vote all worked in Mana’s favor. The “This is the way she needed to play this tribal” argument is more or less correct, but I don’t think anyone should ignore the fact that Sandra’s actions were actively detrimental to her tribe as a whole.

    • sharculese

      I know you said you hold off on TAZ fora few days but I just wanna throw out there: this weeks’s episode puts a definitive point on all your Davenport speculation, so um, you may wanna move it up in the queue.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I just finished it and was literally hopping on here to see if you or anyone else had

        HOLY MOTHERF’IN SHIT *does two backflips and five cartwheels* I was actually kinda worried when I saw the 1:45 run time bc I didn’t know if Griffin announced the last episode and I missed it, but I’m glad that we’re going to get one more arc it seems. It may be short but I’m sure it’ll be great.

        There were some emotion gutpunches (and one sucker punch when it sounded like Killian was a goner for a half sec; not cool, Griff). And Justin had a great line in “We’re Dos Equis; the Two Horses.”

        I saw someone predict that neither Barry nor Lucretia were bad guys, just two people with different agendas. That much seems true, and I’m glad that Griffin didn’t make either take some evil turn. But in the lead up, both seemed to sow a lot of distrust for the other, when I don’t think that tracks with what was revealed at the end.

        But all in all, that just one small detail to nitpick in a good, good episode. I’m so excited for what comes next. (Also excited for the RPDR S9 premiere; who else around here is watching that tomorrow?)

        • sharculese

          Ill post more in the thread for the podcast so Matt W or can here it.

          As for Drag Race, yes, there are a couple of us.

    • VoicOff

      Don’t know if i agree,
      PLus, Sandra’s actions were good for Sandra, tho. Malcolm was plotting her outster, Malcolm gone now.
      JT is held responsible.
      Queen stays queen and all that jazz

  • After going through my Malcolm hangover, I can see some positives from this season so far.
    Out of 4 boots, only 1 has been a woman and none have been minorities.
    The editing has not been so clear cut with who is the next boot.

    Now that I have that out of the way, we have talked about the arrogance of Nuku, but there is one undertold element of this story. No one, not even “big moves with idols” Malcolm, is shown looking for an idol. Yes, you are walking into a 6-5 tribal council with the majority but it can always be upended on you. The fact that no one even deign that a possibility at camp is a big red flag. Also, the editors did do some really sneaking edits that are fun to watch out for once you know that Malcolm is gone:
    -They talk about how no one on Mana has an idol, but the subtitle is on a shot of Malcolm, so it emphasizes to the casual that this is where Malcolm’s head is at.
    -Malcolm is shown to be the one at tribal not having an idea what is happening a few times.

    • Black Dynamite

      I think just because they aren’t shown looking for an idol doesn’t mean they haven’t. A lot of times we don’t get to see idol hunts because it is unsuccessful and doesn’t add much to the story. I believe idol hunts happened all time, even if it’s super casually while people are legitimately gathering firewood.

      • Good point, but I think the storytelling could have been elevated by elevating the arrogance.

        • Black Dynamite

          I do think we saw plenty of arrogance from them. Sandra, in particular, basically has been in arrogant mode this entire season (not a complaint).

        • Other Scott

          But isn’t the arrogance being elevated by not showing them searching for the idol? Like there are upping the perceived arrogance for the audience by omission?

    • Mike Hirsch

      Malcolm said they all looked for the idol as a tribe, but that definitely doesn’t make for fun TV unless they find one.

      • Roswulf

        On the contrary, full-strength Nuku going on adventures together (possibly with Aubrey and Sandra sniping at eachother all the way) is everything I want from TV.

        • Mike Hirsch

          You’re right, I stand corrected.

        • Don’t forget Michaela’s faces as they are fighting.

      • That would have been cool if they had all found one.

    • Maritimer

      What confuses me about the season so far is when Probst made his Jaws, threats circling analogy in pre-game press. 3/4 boots so far would have been identified as big threats I would think. Clearly, not circling

      • Super duper fan

        I could be wrong, but I think he meant that at the beginning players played cautiously, and then at the later stage the all went after each other guns blazing (I remember that I was speculating before the seson began that it could mean, that the threats went far and they were the sharks which Jeff was talking about. It’s not over so it could still come true, but I was just considering that option).

        • However, it seems like that theory is disproven by the second hour of the premiere unless we are still building to Cirie vs Ozzy

          • Super duper fan

            Well, It could be the second coming of David vs. Zeke, where they at first were kinda working together, and afer the few merge vote they gang up their troopes and battle it out.

          • Good call.

          • Max_Jets

            The second hour is still pretty much a unanimous vote and it would make sense if Jeff bases his opinions on a season more on the tribal councils than camp life.

          • I am still raising my eyebrow to his assertion.

      • Yes, that is the bonkers thing. Ciera is not the definition of no moves. I thought that meant that the first boot was a safe one…in fact I thought it pointed to Zeke.

        • Maritimer

          I certainly thought it meant Malcolm and Tony would be around longer than they were

      • purplerockandy

        It has certainly thrown off my predictions.

      • I think maybe Probst has never seen Jaws.

        • Maritimer

          Only explanation I can think of

        • Hornacek

          He was talking about Jaws 2

          • Is that what happens in Jaws 2?

          • Hornacek

            I can’t find the article, but after Jeff made that Jaws analogy, Dalton Ross came out with an article saying how what Jeff described was not like Jaws at all, and that it was more like the plot of Jaws 2. He went into detail about the plots of both movies and how the analogy was more apt for Jaws 2, but I can’t remember the specifics. And it’s been too long since I was forced to watch saw Jaws 2

          • To Wikipedia I go!

  • the sky is falling

    don’t know if anyone mentioned this in the 1100 comments, but I was thinking today that the twist would be crazier if they didn’t tell them until tribal that only one person goes home. Perhaps the same outcome, but it would test the pros ability to scramble on the fly. if their goal was a live tribal council I think it accomplishes the same thing.
    maybe in a more interesting way

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I sure this is how production will fix this twist, instead of giving them the afternoon together.

    • Kemper Boyd

      This is an interesting idea I like even less than this but I imagine the production would love it.

    • That would be crazier, but I’d ask this: Do you really need it to be crazier than it already was?

  • VoicOff

    READ IN COMPLETE PRIVACY

    Brad
    This is a huge turning point in this game. This isn’t fake i wouldn’t waste your time or mine.
    Just from competing against you and the few handshake we have had I feel like I can trust you.

    That’s hard to find in this game. Hopefully we are on the same page.

    All of my tribe are voting for Sierra. I think you should write Sandra’s name down and
    send her home. We will most likely merge at 10 and then you will be safe with us. Plus you will remain strong till all the girls are done with.
    Hopefully I can trust you and you are not truly a douchbro. Let’s do this together. =)

    J. Thomas
    (Destroy this right when you finish reading)

  • UseYourCommonSense

    Bullshit twist. Tribal was entertaining but I really hope its not going to become a “thing” now to do these whisper whisper sessions before voting.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Let’s do a thread on the worst possible twists the Producers of Survivor could think of:

    1. start the game with 21 players, like BvW the players are asked to vote for one player for any reason they want. BUT that player then gets the power to vote out player before the game starts.
    2. a fake immunity idol. An idol is made and hidden by producers but when it is played Jeff is like “psych” it’s not an idol.
    3. Sandra starts the game at the merge. Wait I like that one.

    • How about one tribe gets all the food, water, and shelter they could reasonably get, while the other tribe gets a pot, a machete, and a great big bag of go fuck yourself.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I see what you did there…

      • Purplerockmatt

        oh they would never do that

    • the sky is falling

      Everyone starts the game with an idol.

      • Something Quirky

        I feel like this is likely to happen at some stage.

    • Hornacek

      How about the game starts with 20 players but then two players are voted out at the start of day 2

    • Something Quirky

      Double Redemption Island, where the second RI is a secret for a long time.

    • the sky is falling

      Team that wins challenge has to vote someone out

    • Maritimer

      Hantz v Hantz season

      • Hornacek

        Sean vs. Willie!

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      A special advantage where the person who plays it gets to just pick someone to eliminate, from any tribe, at any time.

    • prettyboyprobst

      I saw someone on reddit call for a complete reshuffling of the tribes every episode.

      On a second thought though, that’s not so far from the reality of a modern season, so it probably doesn’t deserve to make the “Worst possible twist” list, as bad as the idea may be.

      • Kemper Boyd

        This is the one world but the tribes are picked only for immunity challenges idea.

        • prettyboyprobst

          In a One World setting that twist would actually make some sense, but I don’t think that is what the commenter meant. You could also start the jury on day one that way (meaning day 3 – first session day 6).

          • Kemper Boyd

            I think both ideas suck but making it one world means it works easier but making it random shuffle tribes on separate beaches would be easier on the viewer

          • prettyboyprobst

            Agreed, it’s a shitty idea either way. Separat beaches would make it slightly easier to follow for the viewers, but both iterations would be a nightmare for (non-casual) viewers (who like to think about what happened and listen to podcasts and the like). There’s just no way you could keep the story straight a few episodes in.
            The gameplay would be different in both cases, and while it could work in one-world, I also don’t think I would like it better than what we have.

            A general problem with all ONe-World-like settings is that it takes away from the merge episode. You just dont’t have the same imbalance of information, or intel gaps, that can lead to great gameplay. I f everyone has a more or less complete picture of what happened pre-merge and all the relationships are built already, there are less openings for the good players to outsmart their opposition and a boring post-merge becomes more likely.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    You guys, I have a confession that is definitely not just me pandering to this site:
    I think that the recap episodes on RHAP have become almost unlistenable. I still listen to KIA and usually the voicemails, but so far this season I just struggle through the beginning of the recap until the purple rock podcast gets posted and then I abandon RHAP and come over here.
    There I said it. I feel better now.

    • Well I’ve got good news: This week’s podcast should be posted within the next 15 minutes.

    • Max_Jets

      It depends on the guest, but I really had to skip through some of Hatch’s takes. KIA I am not quite as into either – I wish Sophie could become a permanent KIA.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Well I made it through 10 minutes of Hatch and just called it quits :/