Survivor Game Changers Episode 5 Liveblog: “Dirty Deed”

Follow us on Twitter and JotCast for episode 5 of Survivor: Game Changers. And in keeping with the spirit of this season, we’re changing the game with a new guest host for one week only.

 

EmAndScoutinBK

EmAndScoutinBK

Em has watched the show since the first season, though her enthusiasm for it skyrocketed during Philippines. Her favorite Survivor-related moment was when she and her best friend of several years both realized that the other was secretly a huge Survivor fan as well. Em also has a crush on Ken McNickle, which is very confusing for everybody.

Favorite seasons: HvV, Pearl Islands, Micronesia, Amazon, China, Philippines.

Favorite players: Sandra, Denise, Yul, Parvati, Kim
EmAndScoutinBK
  • Ms. Sweaterfan
    • Taako From Teevhii

      Only one way to find out.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Questions for tech-savvy Purple Rockers: What is a VPN, how can I get access to one, and will it prevent people from finding out that I spend hours a day talking about Survivor on this site?

    • the sky is falling

      There’s a good article on kotaku, don’t have link handy. Google, kotaku vpn

    • Alkanarra

      Check out Private Internet Access. $40 a year, your speed is marginally affected. Certain services (Netflix, for instance) won’t allow you to stream while it’s running, but otherwise it’s good for masking your Internet activity. Lets you choose which region of the world you want to pretend you’re connecting from.

      • gouis

        Can vouch for PIA

    • Taako From Teevhii

      This was originally a jokey post, but I’m actually learning a few things. I also hope that other people can use some of these replies.

  • I can’t see JotCast – anyone else?

    • the sky is falling

      Nope

    • Taako From Teevhii

      reload, it’s up now

  • Taako From Teevhii

    JT HAS AN IDOL! DRAMA! FANTASY POINTS!

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Can we start making “JT will give the idol to Culpepper” jokes yet?

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Why are they showing so much of the pre-challenge strategy? Who’s going to blow it for their tribe?

    • Maritimer

      Come onnnnnn Debbie

      • Taako From Teevhii

        It’s happening!

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Oh boy, this is the cause of the Debbie Meltdown, isn’t it?

          • Maritimer

            100% it is, which worries me she’s not the boot

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Of course she can, Jeff.

  • Maritimer

    Have the editors ever done that before? Either they hate Debbie, this is her Drewchbag episode, or both

    • the sky is falling

      Just posted this on the live blog, I don’t remember ever seeing a flashback, I like it. next step, get Ron Howard to narrarate

      • Maritimer

        Using flashbacks to call people out when they are full of shit is excellent and should be done more

        • the sky is falling

          If only we had that option irl!

          • NearlyNina

            Have you seen the Black Mirror episode based off this concept?

      • Purplerockmatt

        “I was across the beam in 2 minutes”
        Ron Howard: “she was not”

        • Hornacek

          I like how adding Ron Howard narration to this season is becoming a thin.

    • Hornacek

      In Amazon, when the men and women are still separate tribes, there’s a post-challenge scene back at camp where the men are talking about the women, and we see what can best be described as thought-bubbles above their heads showing the specific woman they’re talking about. Those thought-bubbles are wordless footage and only a few seconds long, but it’s previously-aired footage.

      That’s all I could think of.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Boy, they didn’t even give this Wanner’s Edit to Dan “Caught In A Lie Foley.” And we’re only fifteen minutes in. I’m ready for the rest of this episode.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/61f29e8fcd97b01c683ae94716296ba4c1e7ba487add01739f4526d541c3e1d6.gif

    • Conspiracy theorists might suggest this edit is oddly keen to shield Brad from any suggestion of wrongdoing.

      • Hornacek

        “I love you. I don’t know why you’re so upset with me.”

        Brad is a saint. I never would have thought I’d be saying that this season.

        • You don’t think that’s Brad’s default response whenever Monica gets mad at him?

          • Hornacek

            Yes, but he’s known Monica for years and actually loves her.

            Debbie is “a crazy lady” that he’s known for a couple of weeks.

    • Hornacek

      It’s like the show said “We’re not gonna wait to show this footage at the reunion – we’re gonna do it right now.”

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I can’t tell if that sequence was fascinating or severely overhyped.

  • jersey_luck

    Okay I got my one funny Debbie moment this season. She can go now.

  • Maritimer

    Did Debbie have a crush on Brad? Is that what that was all about? Because it kind of seemed like it

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Model, Water Analyst, Engineer, First Grader.

    • She certainly seems very jealous of/threatened by Hali. I think it’s a combination of ego (she wants to be in charge: Brad is instead) and insecurity (Hali is young, pretty, receiving the roles Debbie apparently wants in the challenges, and no longer a lock to go home next time they go to tribal).

      • Hornacek

        Debbie: Brad never calls me “blue eyes”.

        • “Debbie, your eyes are brown.”

          “THAT’S NOT THE POINT!”

          • Hornacek

            Followed by …

  • NearlyNina

    “Debbie’s just different; she’s a crazy lady” OMG Tai!
    Also that was AMAZING background music during Debbie’s rant
    ALSO is Debbie actually crazy? Hali didn’t do the digging, so how did she cost them peanut butter, by not digging fast enough?

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Hali went first on the balance beam. And it looks like she was quicker than Debbie.

      • NearlyNina

        Right, but according to Debbie Brad lets Hali do whatever they want and they lost because Hali took too long digging. She later changed it to that she took 2 minutes and Hali took 10 (obviously false), but initially she didn’t even seem to know what had happened at all.

        • She seemed both furious at Brad for putting her on the balance beam, and also furious that they failed to sufficiently recognise her balance beam prowess in favour of praising Hali. You’d think these two things were mutually incompatible, but what do we know?

          • Figaro

            I suspect that deep down she realised she was (at least partly) responsible for their loss, but rather than owning up to it she convinced herself that she was blameless and projected her frustrations out onto Hali and Brad.

          • Hornacek

            I think she sees Hali as the outsider in her tribe, so she has to fit what happened within that narrative.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Varner’s eyes looked like he was watching the Debbie meltdown when he heard Sandra’s idea.

  • the sky is falling

    I’m growing suspicious of excessive producer interference this season.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I don’t know if I’m fully onboard with that, but it did look like Debbie was laughing after yelling “YOU CRUSHED MY HEART” at Culpepper.

      • Maritimer

        I also noticed that. I thought it was just because she’s cray-cray

        • Taako From Teevhii

          It’s definitely possible. In fact, it may be probable.

          • purplerockandy

            Occam’s Razor.

        • turgid_legume

          It was one of those self-protection things. You know, the, “I’m about to cry because I’m really upset but I’ll just play it off as laughter, ha ha, you can’t get to me” thing.

    • What makes you say this?

    • purplerockandy

      Wait… you’re worried about excessive producer interference in the season where two of the first four boots were Tony and Malcolm?

      • Hornacek

        Obviously the show is, and always has been, rigged.

      • the sky is falling

        Well, I didn’t say they were doing a good job. They are trying, but can only do so much when JT works so hard to counteract all the help they give him.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I think we’re starting to see why Debbie’s had so many jobs.

    • sharculese

      Because she’s good at so many things?

      • Taako From Teevhii

        If that’s what she calls “good” balance, then yes.

        • Hornacek

          Maybe the reason she volunteered at Red Lobster and was never officially hired is because she couldn’t balance the tray and was always spilling drinks (and lobsters) on the customers.

  • Alycia Swift

    The music sounds like the soundtrack from The 100.

  • Maritimer

    Could that be the most over-the-top negative edit for a non-bootee ever? Hopefully its going somewhere (like her boot)

    • the sky is falling

      The wa this season is going, maybe that’s a winners edit?

      • Maritimer

        I think this is now the darkest timeline. Worse than Troyzan

        • the sky is falling

          That would be worst winner ever

          • Maritimer

            I would apologize for everything bad I ever said about Bob

    • sharculese

      Midway through the episode I turned to my roommate and said, “they haven’t telegraphed the boot this aggressively since season 29.”

      • Maritimer

        I was convinced it was her Drew Christy memorial edit until they won immunity

        • Hornacek

          I kept expecting Brad’s tribe to show up at tribal saying “Jeff, we decided to give up immunity in order to vote one of our own out.”

    • Hornacek

      I said above that it’s like the editors decided to give Debbie the Dan Foley treatment that Jeff did at the reunion, but not wait that long.

  • Bundi

    Anyone want to talk me off the ledge? Can Sandra survive?!

    • The edit definitely wants us to think so.

    • Alycia Swift

      The have done this to us every episode.

    • JT: I destroyed Malcolm’s entire game last week in my desperation to get rid of Sandra, but now that someone has stolen the sugar…

    • Maritimer

      They seem to be setting it up to be Michaela, so who the hell knows, its probably like Probst or something

    • Alycia Swift

      Maybe its Aubry?

      • the sky is falling

        Shut your mouth!

        • Alycia Swift

          Ok. It was just that weird shot of her face.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        After Jeff said “someone will be voted out,” they showed a shot of JT and Michaela, then a shot of Sandra and Varner. Wide shot of Nuku, no closeup of Aubry.

        But that might just be a continuation of the edit.

  • Alycia Swift

    I loved Sandra breaking the fourth wall not in confessional.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Quality of life problem? Arguing at challenges? It’s uncomfortable? Was Mana at the same challenge that day?

  • Taako From Teevhii

    WHAT. JT DIDNT PLAY THE IDOL

  • Taako From Teevhii

    AND NOW MICHAELA’S DOING THE KERMIT SIP

  • Taako From Teevhii

    HOT DAMN

  • Alycia Swift

    The Queen Stayed The Queen!!!

  • the sky is falling

    Fucking great episode

    • Alycia Swift

      I was cheering at the end. Not like last week.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      That tribal was almost as good as last week, but for different reasons.

      • the sky is falling

        I found it much more interesting, tbh

        • Taako From Teevhii

          I think there’s a spin off storyline: will Aubry now feel like a free agent once the merge hits? Does she feel any loyalty at all to Sandra or Varner?

          • the sky is falling

            I would say no. Also regarding tribal, strategy is more interesting than chaos, that tribal was a chess match, last one was a mess

          • lol at the idea of Aubry getting any story this season

  • Maritimer

    That was a work of art. Oh my God. And JT leaving with an idol in his pocket seals his legacy

    • Roswulf

      But at least he’s free of all those ignorant, deceitful women now!

    • Hornacek

      Not even in his pocket! With his stuff back at camp (or wherever he hid it).

      • Maritimer

        I still don’t understand how he could be that confident. Always bring your damn idol to tribal, but especially when you know people are voting for you

  • corndogshuffle

    Dammit

  • gouis

    The fact that we got this ‘Debbit edit’ episode where she didn’t go home convinces me that Brad is winning.

    • Maritimer

      OWB *ducks*

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Could be a David Wright edit.

      • Prom King

        There’s no journey with Brad.

        • Hornacek

          From football player to lawyer to antiquer and interior decorator?

          Now that’s a journey!

          • sharculese

            I forgot about this until now, but when Debbie was ranting about Brad being used to being a leader on the football field I screamed at the TV “he was a tackle!”

          • Thirty-five Sandcastles

            That doesn’t mean he couldn’t be a leader tho. Or at least have leadership qualities that worked for him at some level of the sport he exceeded at for 20ish years of his life

          • sharculese

            It doesn’t mean he doesn’t have leadership qualities, but, when you’re looking at the leadership positions on a football team, nobody is pointing to the tackles.

          • Thirty-five Sandcastles

            from the outside looking in, people think of the quarterback as the one true leader of the entire team, and maybe some of the other star players. But every team has at least two team captains (one offense and one defense) and most teams have 4 team captains. Offhand I’d guess that linemen make up about a fourth of team NFL team captains. Plus each position group will tend to have a leader of its own.

            I totally agree with YOU that Debbie is a COMPLETE nutcase tho. But I’d be inclined to agree with her in that Brad has a hyooge leg up in having leadership experience with large groups

        • Taako From Teevhii

          It’s a two-season arc. Hated by fans/Candice Woodcock, redeemed by his charm (?) and gameplay in his second go-round.

          Or if you don’t agree with that, then a Malcolm Freberg edit.

          • Prom King

            I love the two-season arc idea!

    • purplerockandy

      Counter: there’s no way they could NOT tell that story. 1) It was insane. 2) Debbie continued doing it during the part they HAVE to show (the immunity challenge, where she trash talked her own tribe).

      Another Counter: Sandra is winning.

  • Alkanarra

    Well there goes the last shred of your legacy, J.T. Over a bowl of damn sugar.

    • Marlene

      Well, he was already tainted by Sugar, might as well add sugar to the legacy.

      • Maritimer

        If I had more than one upvote to give to that, I would

    • I cannot believe that JT was so willing to drop his ‘boot Sandra at all costs’ plan over sugar.

      • Hornacek

        No sugar tonight in his coffee
        No sugar tonight in his tea

  • Taako From Teevhii

    FORMER SURVIVOR MAKES A SURPRISE RETURN

    • corndogshuffle

      BOSTON ROB Y’ALL

      • Taako From Teevhii

        gotta test out them hosting digs

        • Alycia Swift

          Shouldn’t it be Cesternino then?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Rob C doesn’t seem all that close with CBS, as compared to other former players.

          • sharculese

            Huh? I never got that impression. I think he gets fewer calls than a lot of people, but that’s just down to his obvious lack of interest in playing again. His relationship with the network seems fine,though; when they did that panel of stars pre-Cambodia he was the only non-winner in the group.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I think I’m conflating the way CBS does their casuals fan service with their relationship with Rob. You’re right, it’s not cold and rocky, but they never have him do press or coverage (Parvati and Malcolm have done this), and they wouldn’t use their airtime to hype him up like they did for Boston Rob.

          • sharculese

            I think a lot of that is more on Rob’s end. It’s not that he has a bad relationship with the network, it’s that he has his own media brand and they want to maintain the distinction.

            It’s not true that they never have him for press stuff, like I said, there was the pre-Cambodia panel, where he was the only person there who hadn’t won. He’s also told a story before about how when he first got access for exit interviews he was relegated to the end of the second day, with the international press, and when someone in media realized this was Rob C’s podcast they were like “that’s ridiculous, you deserve a prime spot on the first day” and immediately moved him.

            I also suspect a lot of it is they would use him more if he was willing but he just doesn’t want to. He seems to really like that he gets to work from home. I’d bet they’ve asked him before to fly out for the preseason and he’s always come up with an excuse not to.

          • corndogshuffle

            Boston Rob Cesternino!

          • Hornacek

            I love when he tells the story about how he read the online comment on the Survivor column he used to write, “Oh, I thought this was Boston Rob. I didn’t know it was the Rob that sucks.”

          • corndogshuffle

            The first time I saw Rob C play I thought he was Boston Rob lol. I didn’t know any better and I assumed that because of how big his character was he was the famous guy. It didn’t lost long but I did realize he was not Boston Rob during The Amazon.

      • the sky is falling

        Shut up, it’s TONY!

    • Maritimer

      Its so Rupert. Of course it is

      • gouis

        Did you know they did this for Israeli Survivor?

        • Maritimer

          No, but I’m negative surprised that they did

          • gouis

            The winner of a reward got Rupert to come to their camp to do Survivor things like fish and build shelter. Then he was terrible at it.

          • Maritimer

            Did he dig a giant hole in the ground for their shelter?

          • Adam B.

            JINX. I posted this before I saw that you had the same thought. At least Rupert is a more sociologically respectful rent-a-native than … renting actual natives.

    • PLEASE LET IT BE MALCOLM WE HAD A RECOUNT

      • WE FOUND EVIDENCE OF RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE

        • Taako From Teevhii

          TOO DARK REYA

          • They triggered article 50 today. Survivor owes me this.

        • gouis

          LOL like that matters

      • Alycia Swift

        That was my first thought. Then someone mentioned B. Rob.

      • sharculese

        During Cambodia, after Joe went home, Rob C played a game where he read off crazy schemes from the Survivor Facebook page explaining how he could come back into the game.

        I understand those people now.

    • Kingoftonga

      There’s going to be some awkward way to tie it in with the theme. Jeff’s going to be like, “A former gamechanger returns…to change the game for you!”

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      I have to say that it would be hilarious if it’s someone like Yul or Kim Spradlin and they just completely fuck up our fantasy leagues.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I would absolutely love that, but then I would realize that they kept a quarter season of Kim/Yul from us. It’d be unforgivable.

      • Alkanarra

        Now next year my entire pick 4 can be players not even on the season and they can’t stop me. It’ll totally fuck up John’s spreadsheets.

    • purplerockandy

      Monica. Effing. Culpepper.

      • Hornacek

        Monica the person can meet Monica the chicken.

  • gouis

    Yo JT didn’t even bring his idol to TC. Someone is really angling to hit the bottom 5 of the next round of winners rankings

    • Alycia Swift

      Well it shows that Stephen and Taj did way more than we thought.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        Didn’t we always kind of know?

        • Kingoftonga

          Apart from JT’s lack of strategic skill this season, his social skills are also seriously lacking. We watched him put up with Coach with a smile in Tocantins, and now he’s ready to explode after Michaela asks for a cup of coffee?

          • Alycia Swift

            She’s a woman.

          • JT has got cranky as he’s aged.

        • Alycia Swift

          Yes. And it shows that JT just was not as likable as they portrayed him the first time.

          • indescribable hat

            Spencer Duhm vindicated!

          • Maritimer

            Maybe now they will bring him back!

    • Hornacek

      Is it time to start saying that Tocantins may have been a fluke?

  • Ethan Kyle

    Boy I can’t wait to see how Fishbach tries to spin this one in JT’s favor

    • I understand Stephen won’t be on Know-it-Alls this evening. Maybe JT warned him.

    • slothlorde

      “JT not bringing his idol was actually the best strategic move he could’ve made.”

      • purplerockandy
        • Thirty-five Sandcastles

          Heh! I loved Fish defending the incompetent decision of not bringing the Idol to tc with “perhaps you incompetently buried your Idol somewhere in camp where you can’t get to it when you desperately need it. Or maybe you’re too incompetent to determine at tc to make the right decision, so best not to have it at all”

          • Hornacek

            I wouldn’t care if I had buried it in the middle of camp and everyone would see me digging it up. No way I’m going to tribal and leaving my idol at camp.

          • Thirty-five Sandcastles

            Twins!

  • Joseph Finn

    Full credit to Sandra: that was well played.

    • gouis

      Even if JT plays his idol she’s safe. Knew she had to get the heat off her and did it again.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        At first I thought Sandra was stirring up shit to stir up shit, but it was so very strategic. I can’t wait for everyone to say she didn’t earn her third win.

        • the sky is falling

          Keep hope alive, search your feelings, you know it’s gonna be a terrible winner.

          • indescribable hat

            Haven’t you ever met a neat dude?

    • Marlene

      I’m fine if she goes next week due to a bad swap. She has been magic so far and has done more than I dreamed she could get away with and I have loved every minute.

    • Maritimer

      That may be the best “don’t play your idol” performance we’ve ever seen

      • DrVanNostrand

        Yes. That move generally isn’t a high percentage play. People just let too much slip. I’m shocked that Michaela was able to hold it in, but maybe she found inner strength because she was fueled by rage.

        • Maritimer

          I was honestly worried they were overplaying it. But since JT didn’t even bring the idol, I guess it didn’t matter

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I didn’t think she did well last week, but I am fully back on board. That was incredible.

    • forever1267

      She really is The Queen, and she is going to end right back at the Finals again. And yet she seems to contribute so little in camp life and challenges. She is amazing!

  • Alycia Swift

    I hope Aubry can recover. She did last time.

    • Kingoftonga

      The increase in screentime makes me hopeful, too. I was worried she was getting the sort of edit that meant she left in a rock draw.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Question: Is it a tribe swap back to 2 next week? OR is it an unprecedented merge at 15?

    • corndogshuffle

      I think it might be back to two tribes… didn’t they say someone was being exiled? If I heard it right and someone *is* being exiled I would assume that means two tribes of 7 players.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Players at Exile always come back before the IC. I think it’d be a fascinating (albeit unusually cruel) twist to have someone miss out on the chaotic mingling/scrambling that happens directly after the merge.

        • Purplerockmatt

          swap to two tribes, one person to exile, vote off tribe gets exiled person

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            The Julia Maneuver.

          • Side Character

            It’s happened 4 times before Julia, with Bruce, Sylvia, Lisi, and Sugar.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            But the first three names sound dumb when paired with “maneuver” and the Sugar Maneuver is now taken

          • sharculese

            That’s my least favorite Robert Ludlum novel.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            He certainly wasn’t going to write one called The Sierra Dawn Thomas Identity.

          • Hornacek

            The Debbie Condundrum

          • Taako From Teevhii

            While this is likely if they follow the template, I’m not ruling out anything this season.

      • Do we think random swap, or the game-changing return of the schoolyard pick?

        • Maritimer

          The returning survivor picks the tribes. That would entertain me

        • corndogshuffle

          I would assume random, I feel like it’s been a long time since Survivor felt comfortable letting teams draft. Has there been a draft since Gabon?

          • purplerockandy

            Only for challenge teams.

          • Though it can end disastrously, I do think it could be awesome though. We’re down to 9 old Nuku and 6 old Mana, so two tribes of 7 with someone going to Exile.

            Do all of Mana try to stick together, with a sacrificial Nuku? (Imagine if you managed to swipe, say, Brad or Ozzy from the other side). Does someone like Aubry or Troy or Hali try to make a break for safety? Are you picking Sandra or Cirie because they’re your number, or would you rather do your best to keep the tribe strong? With returnees, it’s the type of thing I’d like to see (I’m trusting them not to be as dumb as Fang here).

            I’m also happier to see someone get screwed over because someone mucked up the draft than someone getting screwed over because they were unlucky with the buff draw.

        • sharculese

          They’re gonna pretend the second swap in Australian Survivor wasn’t a terrible idea and go back to that well.

  • Michaela just sits there sitting water like a boss and Sandra is all “I’m so proud of you, my child. If you were a baby goat I totally wouldn’t eat you.”

    • Alycia Swift

      She would still eat her.

      • Marlene

        Only at final four.

        • Alycia Swift

          If she needed to before that.

          I love Varner’s glee at watching her.

    • sharculese

      I’ve kept this a secret because I don’t want to be exiled, but roommate and I weren’t fans of Michaela last season.

      I fucking loved her this episode. That coffee cup shit was the best.

      • StormofCuteness

        I am ready to forgive you.

        But do I get a I told ya so?

  • the sky is falling

    it’s weird that Tony is getting so little screen time. it’s not like him to lay low. 😏

    • Hornacek

      Someone needs to dig him out of his Spy Bunker.

  • Maritimer

    A couple of weeks ago I said Troy was the most likely person this season to join the Jason Siska too-stupid-to-play-your-idol-when-you-are-the-obvious-target club (which needs a better name). With gritted teeth, I must apologize to Troy and give that dubious honor to JT

    • DrVanNostrand

      Hey, now Troy’s allied with Sarah. There’s no way that brain trust could fail!!

      • Maritimer

        This is true. There is still time

        • Taako From Teevhii

          I *NEED* for Sarah to think that she’s being discreet with Troy, and for the other four sacrifice Sarah to flush Troy’s idol.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            That will not happen during the #SummerOfTroyzan.

    • Diego Armando

      Troy can still fill that position.

      • Yeah, that Troy confessional felt very Siska-ish.

        • Maritimer

          It was definitely over confident, but I wonder if its more Sarah’s problem than his, since she kind of abruptly appeared this week

      • Keep hope alive!

  • Parvatis2Idols

    Sugar stealing should earn points for the Pick 4

    • sharculese

      As long as it doesn’t involve stealing Sugar back to Survivor.

      • purplerockandy

        She’s the returnee next week.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          That’s fine. They’re bringing back exile island too.

        • sharculese

          Noooooooooooooooooooooo.

  • jersey_luck

    Okay I am going to honest and say that this was the funniest episode of Survivor in a while. In between Debbie meltdown, Nuku’s sugar problems, JT idol screw-up, Michaela’s prop comedy, and some great confessionals this week was great.

    • Alycia Swift

      And Varner’s comments and glee at what Sandra is doing was hilarious as well.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Sandra was basically a character out of The Office or Parks and Rec

      • free7694

        She even gave us the Jim Halpert face at one point.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          They never, ever show the players breaking the fourth wall like that, and you know new players must constantly be mugging for the camera until they tell them to knock that shit off. They made a huge exception for Sandra because it was so damn funny.

          • sharculese

            They let Boston Rob break the fourth wall like that every chance he got and the show was better for it.

          • Redemption Island is pretty much 65% Boston Rob looking directly into the camera explaining how to play Survivor.

          • The last one I remember is Caramoan, when Malcolm looked at the camera after being subjected to Phillip’s nicknaming ritual for Stealth R Us.

    • Figaro

      I also loved Michaela and Sandra’s comedy duo act during tribal:
      “Has anyone ever seen me wash dishes?”
      “She has washed dishes”
      “Has anybody ever seen me help prepare food?”
      “She has prepared food”
      “Has anybody ever seen me deliver food to anybody else on a plate?”
      “She’s given me food on a plate”

      I literally rewound and watched that bit five or six times while attempting not to die from laughter. They’re the best Survivor Duo since Sandra and Courtney.

    • jniedj

      My favorite line of the night was easily Brad’s, “Is she acting?” He was genuinely confused. And SDT didn’t seem too sure either.

      • Hornacek

        While that is a good line, it comes second to “I love you. I don’t know why you’re mad at me.”

  • gouis

    Oh BTW Stephen isn’t doing KIA tonight which is total bullshit. I lost a lot of respect for him.

    1) It means he was spoiled. Whether it was for just this week or for multiple weeks it’s still bullshit for someone who is supposed to be an “analyst”.

    2) It’s weak of him not to come on and eat crow when his buddy loses. Really weak.

    • Let’s just blame this on JT as well.

    • Yeah, that’s not a good look and I’m sure Rob is probably not the happiest about it, especially since he has had to deal with the rumors that he is spoiled in concerns to his premiere podcast guest.

      • Alycia Swift

        He did say Stephen was travelling.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I think Rob has been spoiled for a long time. All the top tier Survivors tripping over themselves to be on his show, he’s spoiled rotten.

        • I think Rob knows better because if CBS even senses that he is spoiled, then he could lose a lot of his access as a podcaster. That is a reason why most of his podcasts has to be PG.

      • sharculese

        “his premiere podcast guest”

        We’re talking about Stephen, not Josh.

        • Sorry, I didn’t make that original sentence clearer. I meant to say that people thought Rob was spoiled because he had Vytas coming in to recap and Kass coming into do voicemails for the week that Ciera and Tony go home. It was similar to how Dan Foley was the guest on Survivor Oz the week that Shirin went home on Cambodia.

          • sharculese

            Thanks for clearing that up, but please, also, can I just have more time to say nice things about Josh Wigler?

          • Please, I am not stopping you. I know that he was “spoiled” on the first episode because, well, he was there, but he is also good enough to not have that seep into his pre-season commentary.

          • sharculese

            I wasn’t even suggesting that he was. He’s a classy dude who would never do that.

          • I mistyped again (that might be my sign to go to bed). I mean to include that it is cool that he is able to talk around the stuff he knows, especially this one that he has known about for 9 to 10 months now.

          • purplerockandy

            He’s also a wise dude who knows who the true tastemakers in the Survivor community are.

          • sharculese

            I know I’m the most pro-Josh voice here and possibly anywhere, and I’m a fan of his because he genuinely feels like a breath of fresh air in the community, but, to be completely cynical, you’re right, he’s a wise dude who knows exactly why his career as a Survivor journalist happened. The thing is, part of that why is the fact that he was a breath of fresh air. That’s his brand. He’s not compromising it any time soon.

          • purplerockandy

            I wasn’t throwing shade. I was (I thought) not at all subtly calling out that he name dropped us last week.

          • sharculese

            I didn’t know he did that. I didn’t listen to any other podcasts because hearing people talk about the Bad Time was just a bummer.

            I listened to his preseason interview with Dom and Colin and noticed he named dropped you guys in that one, tho.

          • purplerockandy

            Oh, we missed that one.

          • sharculese

            For context he was there to discuss his reveal of the ‘no tie-breaks’ twist and he said something like ‘yeah, I’ve got all these people like the Purple Rock guys hitting me on twitter asking why I couldnt do this before they made their preseason predictions.’

            Gonna have to go back and listen to last week’s Wiggle Room, I guess.

          • Hornacek

            Josh mentioned “the Purple Rockers” on last week’s Wiggle Room when Rob suggested Survivor DST i.e. everyone deciding that this week’s episode would be called “episode 5” and continuing that numbering going on.

          • indescribable hat

            He mentioned this podcast last week!

          • purplerockandy

            Are we sure that Dan didn’t just drop everything (RE: nothing) to be on at the last minute with whoever would have him?

          • That was also the same week as the live KIAs where apparently he made an ass out of himself with Max, which started not only the downfall of Max and Shirin (reportedly), but it also started the major rumors of the leaked boot list. With all of that and especially since that was when Joe was still in the Dirty 30, I think he was spoiled and desperate to take down Shirin.

          • Hornacek

            Having Vytas be the first recap guest when Vytas was the first boot on the previous returnee season is a no-brainer. I don’t see how this means Rob already knew that Cierra was the first boot this season.

    • Hornacek

      In Stephen’s defense, he has missed KIA episodes before due to travelling or other commitments. I think Rob had Kim sub for him once, can’t remember who else he had (Tyson?).

      Rob has even missed a few times. Stephen had Sophie and Malcolm (?) as subs.

      I think people may be reading too much into this.

  • Mike Hirsch

    I’m ok with JT going home. His stance against Michaela was more than a little unpleasant.
    My call on next week’s returning former Survivor: Please oh please be Rupert. Just like, whoever is on Exile has to spend the entire time with Rupert. Please let this happen. Otherwise, it’s probably Monica Culpepper.
    The problem with booting Debbie pre-merge, because she should be booted as soon as humanly possible, is that she’s the perfect “alternate plan” boot to keep in reserve for the post-merge, for when the actual boot target wins immunity. But, damn, that shit was uncalled for. Poor Brad. Poor Tai. Poor Hali. Poor FFGCLAHBYOBBBQSDT.

    • Alycia Swift

      And she was laughing with a weird face after she told Culpepper that crush statement.

      He apologized and he did not need to. I can’t believe I’m defending him.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Brad seems like a genuinely nice guy. I like how everyone in-game considers him a devious, steamrolling mastermind.

        • the sky is falling

          I would be fine with a Culpepper win. favorite player bias aside, he is playing a good game for a player I previously disliked

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          He’s a neat fellow

      • DrVanNostrand

        Brad doesn’t need defending.

    • Alkanarra

      Somewhere out there John is desperately trying to convince himself it’s Kourtney Moon.

      • That’s the second best possibility. Right behind Kim showing up, taking Troy’s idol and giving it to Cirie, then beating Troy in a challenge and voting him out.

    • Maritimer

      If they had gone to tribal, I am 100% sure she was the boot. That was a weird edit though, leading into a swap. Start of an Abi-Maria long term edit? I hope not

      • Possibly the start of Debbie trying to stoke up a revolution against Brad on her new tribe, and failing miserably.

        • Maritimer

          I like this idea better

      • Cinnamon Owl

        Abi Maria was petty, but not simultaneously delusional.

        • Hornacek

          She though Pei-Ghee stole her bracelet.

          • Cinnamon Owl

            But there was a teensy sliver of reality on which to hang that–her bracelet vanished, it was in Pei-Ghee’s bag. She assumed it was deliberate (nuts if on aesthetic grounds, maybe workable on someone-pulls-a-Russell grounds?) but that’s not at Debbie’s level of bending time, space, and the fabric of reality to have Brad force her onto the balance beam, which she crossed in 30 seconds.

          • Hornacek

            Everyone has a similar-looking bag. Abi-Maria thought that Pei-Ghee waited years to get back on Survivor, and then would throw it all away to steal another player’s bracelet. Abi didn’t think it was a misunderstanding – she was convinced Pei-Ghee had deliberately stolen it. Delusional.

        • Maritimer

          Yeah. To be clear, I was comparing edits, not the people, in that Abi would be the rare example of a long-term OTTN edit

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Do you really think it’s Monica? She can’t be there on a loved one’s visit just for Brad. Otherwise, they’d only boat up to the beach if it was a Terry Deitz-style pull. But they wouldn’t fly Monica out to Fiji if it was that urgent. It’s gotta be someone else, preplanned by production.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Yeah, I guess that’d be real short notice to bring a loved one out to Exile. Ok, maybe not Monica.

        I mean, it’s probably Coach.

        • Marlene

          I would pay good money to see Coach and Troyzan on the same island/tribe. (For like 3 days max)

          • DrVanNostrand

            It’s gotta be Coach and Debbie

          • Taako From Teevhii

            You didn’t use that money to pay off Dr. Joe and get Nat A. cleared?

          • Mike Hirsch

            Oh, maybe it’s Boston Rob, passing the torch of “most days played” to Ozzy.

            Or it’s Cochran, he needs a ride home from Probst.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Does that math check out? It’s a bit extra, but I like that thought.

          • purplerockandy

            Ozzy passes Rob in the first day of the next cycle: https://twitter.com/truedorktimes/status/847452303804186624

          • Cinnamon Owl

            So it’s like “We’re worried that you haven’t targeted Ozzy, so here’s a reminder that you should get on that?”

          • purplerockandy

            Holy shit, that’s totally how they’re shoehorning Boston Rob on. You nailed it.

    • Alycia Swift

      We have seen JT say things about women being untrustworthy but also wonder if race came into it because I felt a little uncomfortable.

      • Maritimer

        That occurred to me as well

      • I was wondering that, before I remembered Taj. The editors steadfastly refusing to include any footage to suggest JT’s grievances (seven drops of coffee aside) had any merit is not a good look for him though.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Ya know, with the way JT went after Cirie and Michaela, it’s a wonder Taj lasted as long as she did.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        I was wondering if he has ever targeted a man the same way as he has targeted Parvati, Sandra, and Michaela.

        • Mike Hirsch

          But, men are all stalwart and true!

      • Kingoftonga

        Was there some conflict with Michaela that didn’t get shown? The coffee thing seemed like too small a thing to cause this big rift, and whatever happened also convinced Aubry that Michaela needed to go.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          I think Aubry has been on the outs and was just looking for an alliance at that point – it might not have been personal to Michaela. It seemed like they thought they had Varner (hence, no idol)

        • Alycia Swift

          He was making comments that seemed to go a bit beyond just a problem with sugar.

        • Purplerockmatt

          Malcolm also did not seem to care for Michaela in his exit interviews

          • To say the least.

          • Figaro

            …and Varner also said she had “an attitude problem” in the pre-tribal confessional, so it’s not hard to believe that Michaela was irritating to be around at times

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I felt the same way – especially when he called her “ignorant” for wanting a scoop of sugar (???)

        • Roswulf

          I think in his mind she’s ignorant for NOT LIKING COFFEE THE WAY THAT HE LIKES COFFEE.

          So…yeah, read as racially charged bullshit to me.

          • Figaro

            I’m pretty sure that he called her ignorant because she wanted a spoonful of sugar for only seven drops of coffee, which he considered a waste of the sugar. It seems a little unfair to JT to read racism into his statements when there’s no actual evidence of that.

          • Hornacek

            At that point aren’t you just eating a wet spoonful of sugar? Are you getting any coffee out of that?

          • Cinnamon Owl

            I’m sincerely surprised all of them aren’t eating the sugar. That’s straight calories there, without the stomach upset of stuff like cheese burgers.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            At one point she said she’d “try it” so I have a feeling Michaela doesn’t actually like coffee (which is fair, it’s disgusting) and that was her way of giving it a shot.

    • jersey_luck

      A thing that should be kept in mind is that week Malcolm in his exit interviews compared Michaela to Abi-Maria so if I had to guess others had those thoughts about her too.

    • Diego Armando

      Malcolm will be back having been voted out for JT’s sins.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Malcolm will forgive us our trespasses when he returns.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          “Hold up, mine brother.” –Malcolm 4:12.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I think a bro-y-er verse would be 4:20

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Book of Malcolm, not Book of Ozzy

          • Violina23

            HELLO! My name is Elder Malcolm. I would like to share with you the most amazing clue…

          • DrVanNostrand

            If someone tried to sell me a religion based on Harry Potter references, Survivor, and Troy’s massive dong, I might consider it.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I’m there for two thirds of that. I’ll be the weekly regular who you recognize at services but don’t know the name of.

          • Alycia Swift

            The first two, ok. The third, not so much.

          • I definite noticed the third thing tonight.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I feel like the fact that knowledge of the third thing was brought to light is the darkest timeline.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            #SummerSausageOfTroyzan

          • forever1267

            Same. He’s a packing, and it’s not just an idol.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            “And on the 39th day Ozzy rested. For he was on Exile Island and the producers chose to leave him there.”

          • sharculese

            Oh come on, try and tell me Malcolm doesn’t rock the ganj.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            For some reason, I processed “ganj” as “ginger” and then as “minj” and none of it made sense at all.

          • sharculese

            I was about to make a comment about how they’re equally terrible, but even as a committed non-fan of Ginger I can’t claim she’s as awful as Lasagna.

          • StormofCuteness

            This reminds me that I didn’t see you on AV Club after Drag Race. Don’t want to hijack, but are you excited for this season?

          • sharculese

            I kind of got tired of that community. Taako/SpicyMayo and I are doing Drag Race chat on the podcast post threads once we’ve both seen the episode, so look out for us there on Saturday afternoons.

            As for whether I’m excited… no. I’m not really jazzed about any of these queens. I’m rooting for Nina by default because she’s the Atlanta* girl, but nobody is really clicking for me this time. I think there’s a lot of good performers here and we’ll get a good season, but just a good season.

            *Clayton County

          • StormofCuteness

            I will look for you all there. I’m definitely more excited than you are, but maybe it’s because Lady Gaga kicked ass as a judge, particularly on Untucked.

          • sharculese

            Sure. Gaga was great. She won’t be there next week, and Eureka will.

          • StormofCuteness

            Ha, you sound pretty determined to be disappointed!

          • purplerockandy
        • Taako From Teevhii

          I do hope I’m absolved of breaking onto his property.

    • purplerockandy

      It’s Natalie Anderson, there to reclaim her spot from STGCFFSBATISDT.

      You don’t lose your spot due to injury. Everyone knows that. Ask Wally Pipp.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        You don’t lose your spot due to injury.

        Shambo.

  • Hornacek

    Random thoughts:

    Is the the shortest opening credits we’ve seen on this show?

    Troy(zan) sits out again. Is he still being punished for last episode’s reward challenge?

    “Yes I can Jeff!”

    How can JT’S tribe possibly win this challenge? Oh right, Debbie is “good with balancing”.

    Oh man, the editors just threw Debbie under the bus with that flashback to her “good sense of balance” statement.

    I love that the rest of Debbie’s tribe has no idea if she is really upset, or why.

    Was there some crazy editing and we weren’t shown something? How does Debbie think that Hali cost them that reward?

    Commercial break. I still have no idea why Debbie is upset. But the editors are really having fun.

    So … Sandra’s playing like Russell now?

    Soak a board? Invisible ink? Is this Survivor or summer camp?

    Jeff explains the challenge. I wonder .. which player asked Jeff “What if you hit another tribe’s target?”

    When they show us pre-challenge discussions it’s usually because one player steps up and loses the challenge. Have we ever seen this level of stubbornness?

    “Hey Brad, I was the first over. Did you notice? Brad? Hey, did you see that? Brad? Brad?”

    So much for the Debbie-goes-crazy-and-gets-voted-out edit.

    Three days ago JT screwed his game because he *had* to get rid of Sandra. I had no idea sugar was so powerful that it could change his mind so quickly.

    That tribal was getting ugly. JT went from hero-edit to bonehead-edit to villain-edit.

    • NearlyNina

      Or like she always has. She is after all the originator of the dump the tribe’s food play

    • DrVanNostrand

      I loved that immediate cut from Debbie complaining about dictator Brad to Brad listening to Debbie and following her advice to let her do the balancing. Brad just can’t fucking win.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      JT was acting like a cranky jerk this episode, which was an especially bad look when he should have been sucking up to everyone to repair for the blunder he made at last tribal :/

  • the sky is falling

    FLASHBACK THREAD: How awesome was that?

    Game changer!

  • DrVanNostrand

    1. So apparently Debbie is basically a toddler. Not a surprise.
    2. Michaela was trying to play it cool, but in that last shot of her drinking the water, she was seriously shaking. Bad news for Aubry. This tribe will never win again.

    • Marlene

      Considering the tribe ceases to exist next week, winning won’t really be a concern.

      • DrVanNostrand

        Sorry to all. I don’t watch the next week on segments.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        So you’re saying the doctor is right.

    • jersey_luck

      If only there was a tribe swap coming up.

    • NearlyNina

      Thank god there’s a merge. No one needs a merge as much as she does.

      • StormofCuteness

        I guess a new tribe will have to do.

        • NearlyNina

          Or that! Lols!

  • The only thing that would have made that ending better would have been if Michaela brought the thermos out and IT CONTAINED ALL THE REMAINING COFFEE and then JT’s head exploded.

    • NearlyNina

      OMG I know!!!! That’s what I was thinking!

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Or if she had just somehow poured straight sugar into her mug

    • “I GOT HOT COFFEE IN MY BAG, SWAG.”

  • Kingoftonga

    Sandra is now the only former winner left standing. I like that she has completely shifted her game play from her day 1 plans to team with other winners and use them as shields, and has been very successful at it.

  • Diego Armando

    And that is why you always bring an idol.

  • NearlyNina

    There were so many good lines this episode.
    Tai talking about Debbie being a crazy lady
    Michaela explaining her anger in the sugar situation “I’m trying to keep it down, keep it down, but I wanted to kill him!”
    The following exchange between J.T. and someone:
    “And now there’s no more sugar”
    “where’d it go?”
    “IN HER MOUTH!!!”

    Also you’ve just gotta love Varner’s face when Sandra is eating all the sugar. He’s just so enraptured by the crazy on Survivor.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Varner just has to be giddy that his name will never come up with all that craziness going on.

      • Varner: Whatever crazy shit you want to do, I will be there for it. I will have your back. From a distance of about 10 feet away so that I still have plausible deniability.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Imagine an F3 of Sandra, Varner, and Michaela. The journey there would be ten times better than the inevitable outcome (a third win for Sandra).

      • DrVanNostrand

        I don’t know about that. Michaela rubs a lot of people the wrong way, but people really seem to like Varner. I think it could be a close vote.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          It might be close, but Varner currently looks like he’s just riding Sandra’s coattails. If that trajectory continues, Sandra (in her new strategist role) could win 60-70% of the jury.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            If Sandra gets to a jury, she wins. I can’t imagine she doesn’t win.

          • Diego Armando

            Let’s keep this going. Right now it seems like she and Brad are the 2 winner candidates.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            You’re telling me Aubry doesn’t have a shot?

          • jersey_luck

            Aubry has a shot of being delightful enough to be invited back for another season

          • Diego Armando

            I think everyone not named Debbie has a shot, but those 2 have the biggest shots.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I wish she did because she’s one of my favorites. But her edit needs to pick up STAT!

          • jersey_luck

            I think she going to be victim of idol play to be honest.

          • DrVanNostrand

            FFGCSDT has to be in the conversation. Brad is the obvious threat that gets taken out, and she gets in. (Alternatively, it’s equally possible that she gets taken out as his lieutenant). She can’t be ruled out. And it pains me to say that because I think she’s extremely ‘meh’ as a character and as a player.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            They are trying to prop her up though – I will give her credit for telling Debbie to STFU when Tai was trying to tell them about his idol. That actually was important, as subtle as it seemed. If he doesn’t tell them about his idol because Debbie scares him off (and let’s face it, he’s not the most reliable player), she might go home that episode.

          • Prom King

            There’s been a lot of focus on Cirie too. And Sierra is always being featured in a low key positive light.

          • Troy wouldn’t vote for her. And it would infuriate me.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I would think their IRL friendship would override his hatred for losing to women.

          • purplerockandy

            Nah, Sandra is one of Troy’s pregame alliance partners. Remember how he blew up the dream alliance by confiding in her at 3 am?

          • Cinnamon Owl

            Varner looks like he’s duplicating her old game. Against anyone other than Sandra, that’s probably a compelling argument to give him the win.

        • Maritimer

          I think if Sandra makes the finals, there is just too much respect for her ability to get there despite the colossal target on her back to not vote for her. I’m not sure how she gets past any Final 4 vote though

          • Cinnamon Owl

            The last run of immunity challenges will be based purely on the ability to shit talk.

      • Alycia Swift

        Russell’s head and probably Fairplay’s head would explode.

        • free7694

          Can we get them to the Finale so we can see this happen live?

      • VoicOff

        A third win for sandra would be amazing, what are you saying

        • Taako From Teevhii

          I’m not saying a third Sandra win would be bad, I’m saying the season getting us there would be better.

  • Diego Armando

    Debbie is getting full on Daned now and it is glorious. Could not be happening to a more deserving player.

    • But the thing is that Debbie had some decent stuff in her edit. Not a lot. Dan had almost nothing decent this early on.

    • Hornacek

      Debbie’s edit this episode was the editors saying “We can’t wait until the reunion! We have to throw Debbie under the bus RIGHT NOW!”

  • Diego Armando

    I knew JT would find the idol. I thought he would play it though. I don’t know why I gave him that much credit.

  • Dystopian mise-en-scene. Discordant music. Fish. Debbie. Fish. Debbie.

    AND THEN MICHAELA TAKES OUT HER MUG

    • SHE BROUGHT A PROP

    • Mike Hirsch

      They didn’t allow her to get her popcorn ready.

  • Diego Armando

    Zeke looked on the verge of tears when they announced Malcolm’s removal. He channeled all of us.

  • Adam B.

    I am hoping that the Returning Survivor is *not* what they did in one season of the Israeli edition of Survivor: the rent-a-native reward …. except, you get Rupert in camp for 24h.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Rupert would be a great asset if you were building a shelter. Do the exact opposite of everything he suggests.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        “So did he help you guys out?”
        “A little bit. But mostly he just hollered a lot and cried over a dead snake. Oh yeah, he also brought up the game changers theme about every third sentence.”

        • Maritimer

          Every third sentence? Man, Rupert has learned some restraint lately

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      My first thought when they showed that in the preview was “Rupert”
      But I am also hoping it’s NOT him.

    • Streets_Ahead

      It’s very funny if you haven’t seen it. He pretty much fails at everything.

      • VoicOff

        Is there english subtitles ? I don’t speak hebrew

    • I had that exact thought, and I’m going to laugh so hard if that’s who it is. Especially if Sandra then goes into a solid two minute monologue just mocking everything about him.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        And somehow still gets his vote in the end.

  • DrVanNostrand

    That last line from Michaela also reminded me of the last line from South Park’s Towelie episode. Also reminiscent of a great line from Micronesia!
    Michaela: When you see Malcolm, let him know you got him voted out
    JT: I will

    Cartman: You’re the worst character ever, Towelie
    Towelie: I know

    Chet: I hit my head back there
    Joel: I don’t care
    Chet: I know

    • Alycia Swift

      I want to know what JT says to Malcolm.

      • READ IN COMPLETE PRIVACY
        Dear Malcolm,
        I told Brad we were voting for Sierra. I’m sorry. However, can we still be Survivor besties? (Underlined twice) Please do not tell Stephen. I cannot deal with the constant texts as it is.
        XOXO
        JT

        • sharculese

          I’m still binging Rose Buddies and it’s making me want a season where Malcolm is the bachelor (I’m still not going to watch the show, but it would make me happy to know it exists), but also if he and JT were or Bachelor in Paradise together that could be fun.

          • Oh my gosh, that would be really good and a season of the Bachelor that I would watch. I mean the only season that I watched was Season 2 and that was because the Bachelor was from my area, so Malcolm being on would be a big deal.

          • forever1267

            And he is still the hottiest Bachelor of them all. That’s a beautiful area, says the former St. Louisan.

  • Mike Hirsch
    • Taako From Teevhii
      • Mike Hirsch

        Since I haven’t mentioned Buffy this week yet, let’s go with this: Debbie is like if you combined Kennedy and Rona and everyone else that was a terrible character that ate up way too much screentime in season 7.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          I’ll counter: Debbie is a concerned citizen at a Pawnee Parks Town Hall.

          • Alycia Swift

            That’s absolutely it.

          • DrVanNostrand

            That’s pretty much perfect.

          • Alycia Swift

            Now the question is – which one?

          • sharculese

            Not Harris. Harris was a cool dude who wouldn’t stand for this bullshit.

        • Alycia Swift

          Except Felicia Day’s character.

          But I think she’s a lot like Season 5’s Glory.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Felicia Day was easily the least irritating of the Potentials, and that’s not even retconning. I liked her at the time. I liked her hat.

          • Alycia Swift

            I also liked the one who played nerdy games but I can’t remember her name.

          • Mike Hirsch

            I can’t remember either. I haven’t seen season 7 since it aired so I’m really scraping the corners of my memory.
            Puppet Show, though, watched that recently. “You’re a wee puppet man!” Classic.

          • Alycia Swift

            I own the Spike and Angel ones – they are around somewhere.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I think her name was Amanda maybe?

          • Mike Hirsch

            Yeah, although I didn’t particularly like Millie on Freaks and Geeks. I’m sure that’s kind of blasphemy, but, damn Millie, shut up about Mathletes!

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            It’s the same woman who played Millie on Freaks and Geeks, right?

          • Alycia Swift

            Never watched that.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Oh but you should! You totally should

          • purplerockandy

            I’m partial to the 30 seconds of Rachel Bilson we got.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Was she in Xander’s fantasy sequence?

          • purplerockandy
        • DrVanNostrand

          What about the weird crazy vampire? You know the one I’m talking about.

          • purplerockandy

            Druscilla.

        • Alkanarra

          Keep that Buffy train alive, my friend, no matter how much we have to shoehorn it in.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          F*cking Kennedy.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Awful. Just awful.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            After Tara? Why you gotta do that to us?

    • jersey_luck

      Well to be honest Debbie made this episode better so I thank her for that. But I don’t think she can top tonight in Survivor career again.

  • Violina23

    When Debbie said Brad was crushing her heart, all I could think of was…

    https://media.giphy.com/media/jN2EHnTItUJPy/giphy.gif

    • DrVanNostrand

      Did Natalie Portman start laugh-cry-raging like a schizophrenic toddler after that line? I think I missed that part.

      • Violina23

        Anakin kinda did… Does that count?

        • free7694

          Anakin kinda did that for three whole movies, to be fair.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      That’s weird because all I could think was “wow, this lady is nuts!”

    • Mike Hirsch
      • Purple Rock Emma

        Oh hai, Mike.

        • Mike Hirsch

          You’re my favorite customer.

      • forever1267

        What is this .GIF from, and who is that?

        • Figaro

          It’s Tommy Wiseau from The Room

        • Mike Hirsch

          That’s Tommy Wiseau from The Room. Not, I repeat, *not* to be confused with the Brie Larson movie Room.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            People mixing those two of is my favorite thing.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Tommy Wiseau was so good in Room and disappeared so seamlessly into his part that people think he was in a movie called The Room instead

          • Purple Rock Emma

            hey really should have cast him as Old Nick.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Sandra is SO GOOD at Survivor!
    And Debbie is SO BAD at being rational.
    I thought this was a really good episode! The challenges were exciting, I loved Sandra’s sugar scheme, and TC was great. The only thing I didn’t like was seeing Debbie go crazy and not getting the satisfaction of seeing her immediately voted out, but I loved the charade going on at TC so much that it softened the blow of JT (AKA anyone other than Debbie) going home.
    Also, Ozzy, Cirie, Zeke and Andrea were all completely missing this episode. I’m not sure any of them said a single word other than during challenges? Kind of took the suspense out of the showdown at the immunity challenge.

    • Alycia Swift

      Its funny how we all think its hilarious when Sandra pulls stuff but got so mad when the Kao Rong guys hid the machete and axe and dumped water on the fire.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Must be how she won the game twice 😉

      • Taako From Teevhii

        The difference being that the sugar doesn’t directly impact the quality of life around camp. Also, what Sandra did was preemptive and strategic. Scot and Jason just seemed churlish.

        • Alycia Swift

          Well also that she was doing it to be funny – to amuse Varner and herself. The guys were doing it for revenge.

          • Other Scott

            Nah it was strategy, remember they already probably suspected JT had the idol from the whole “abandoning them on the raft” thing, so Sandra is just making sure if he plays it votes go towards Michaela and not the queen.

          • Roswulf

            This is entirely true, except that she also did it to amuse herself.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            So what you’re saying is that it can be two things.

      • DrVanNostrand

        It’s totally true that I’ll give people a huge pass if they do something in an entertaining way. Even so, Sandra had a plan here. Make sure that JT and Michaela bickered constantly. Fuel that fire. Convince JT that everyone agreed Michaela was the terrible one. Bye, JT. It’s smart in a way that Russell, Scot, and Kyle never were.

        • Alycia Swift

          Preach!

        • Yeah, Russell’s plan was to make everyone else weak, which is not a great plan. Scot and Kyle’s plan was “Either align back with us or we keep wrecking your shit”.

    • Maritimer

      The challenge was disappointing in that repsect because obviously the green tribe wasn’t losing, since they had all of 2 mins airtime this episode, to set up the Sarah-Troyzan “alliance”

      • Cinnamon Owl

        When that’s the most interesting thing that happens on your tribe… I was about to say something derisive, but if you continue to win immunity and find each other sorta tolerable that really is a good plan.

  • Ethan Kyle

    Hey anyone else remember that whole Sandra couldn never survive on a losing tribe …. no joke here, its just funny

    • Seriously debating devoting a solid 30 minutes of the podcast this week to finding the worst Sandra takes from the past few weeks and dragging the shit out of them.

      • sharculese

        It’s Colin Stone, isn’t it?

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Isn’t it always?

        • If garbage Sandra takes were confined to only one person, they wouldn’t bother me.

      • purplerockandy

        I figure there’s a lot of recent converts, especially after this week. That will not stop me for an instant from DRAGGING ALL HERETICS.

        I will be insufferable.

        • Kemper Boyd

          YES PLEASE.

      • Kemper Boyd

        “Sandra only plays anyone but me”
        “Sandra has never done anything to win”
        “Sandra isn’t good tv”
        “Sandra is a bitch ”
        ok the last one is true but she’s the best at it.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          “Sandra only wins because of whom she sits next to”
          “Sandra doesn’t have a strategic bone in her body”

      • Update: It was probably about 20. But we couldn’t resist and came back for more dragging later. So maybe we hit 30 total.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        YES YES YES YES YES YES OMG. THIS IS WILL BE MY FAVORITE OF ALL THINGS.

    • Sylvisual

      Finding two shit stirrers on a tribe of 5/4 is a lot better strategy than being the only shit stirrer with an attitude on a tribe of 10, or even 6. She still played a bad stretch between Day 6 and Day 13.

      • purplerockandy

        As evidenced by all the danger she has been in.

        • Sylvisual

          Yeah, those three days they were immune and the three days Mana targeted Malcolm were really dangerous. A bad social game doesn’t always need immediate danger. (I’m still a Sandra fan, lest I be Slack shunned.)

          • purplerockandy

            She’s been to tribal council four times now. You’d think someone playing as bad a game as you’ve been claiming this whole time would’ve received a vote by now.

  • Gather around folks for I have the saddest tale of Survivor-related woe since… last week’s Survivor episode.
    Get back to my area around 7:15 CST and thought okay, no big deal, have the first fifteen minutes of the episode DVRed
    Unfortunately, my parents (who I was riding with…remember no driver’s license here, folks) decide to make a hour long visit with my brother. Once again, not a big deal, have the episode DVRed.
    Get home and turn on my DVR. Got to when Debbie was complaining about Brad to Hali and Sierra and a Tornado Storm Alert pops up that lasts until Michaela gets out her cup at Tribal.

    TLDR: Only got to see half of the episode. Thanks potential tornado.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Potential tornados are the worst!

      Well, second worst.

      • Alycia Swift

        Well third:

        1. Debbie
        2. Tornadoes
        3. Potential Tornadoes
        4. Other weather

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          I like how all the other weather is tied for fourth worst thing.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Outside = bad

          • Alycia Swift

            I could have broken it down further but that’s Black Dynamite’s job. And I could not remember stuff beyond hurricanes b/c my mind is mush tonight.

    • Alkanarra

      I’d let you use my CBS All Access information to catch up if their site wasn’t somehow able to tell that Montana isn’t New York.

      Oh, and uh, the legality of that arrangement. Yep. Sure. I totally care about the legality.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      At least your interruption was warranted. I cannot for the life of me figure out why a local affiliate overran primetime broadcasting for news about a Trump rally.

      • Trump paid them off?

      • sharculese

        You made the mistake of living in Tennessee.

        (Just kidding, Nashville is awesome and I’ve thought about moving there.)

        • Taako From Teevhii

          #Nashville2017 was trending this morning, and as far as I can tell, it was just a circle jerk hashtag hyping Nashville as a place to live.

          Also, Nashville is awesome, but I wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for school. And a lot of that has to know with being in TN.

    • Violina23

      Not quite as bad, but I missed half of last week’s episode because we are new cord cutters and our trial of Tablo’s guide service expired literally that day and the episode didn’t record. My husband realized with about 25 min to go.

      I’d say I got the best part of the episode since it was basically tribal council, but you all saw that episode…

      #DVRBlindside

      • That sucks.

      • Kemper Boyd

        2 weeks ago I got 8 minutes in and my mum’s internet cut out.

    • Kemper Boyd

      want me to DM you a stream link?

    • VoicOff

      There’s plenty of decent streams. Tho i used to dl and since my fav site went down i have yet to find a good one

    • Hornacek

      So your footage of Hurrican Debbie was interrupted by warning of an actual tornado?

      Irony!

  • PurpleTally

    So, Sandra’s “as long as it isn’t me” strategy is great, but let us not underestimate her take the tribe’s food and blame it on somebody else strategy.
    She is so great. Michaela is a great beans to her rice this season, too. A worthy fill-in for Courtney Yates. WITH PROPS.
    Today was a rough day at school, and this just made everything better. A great episode. If someone had to go home from Nuku, at least it happened like this.

    • DrVanNostrand

      After all this, she’ll get to the merge and still manage to convince everyone she’s not a threat. She’s amazing.

      • Cinnamon Owl

        While convincing Varner that keeping her around is the key to his personal amusement.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I love that this season she isn’t playing “anyone but me” and she’s still very good at Survivor.

      • Cinnamon Owl

        Yeah, I am enjoying the “Queen” stuff because it’s such a deliberate departure from her first two rounds. She isn’t playing her old game (Varner arguably is, instead) and it is working astonishingly. “I’m the Queen. I am such an obvious target that you can safely keep me around this TC and vote out a social-challenge threat instead.”

    • slothlorde

      Sandra and Michaela, Sugar and Coffee.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Bringing a former Survivor back on a boat is the Survivor equivalent of bringing Shangela back in a giant gift box.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      The difference is that this twist probably won’t ruin the season.

      • sharculese

        S3 already had enough bullshit going for it without Shangela and at least Raja is a good winner.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          I mean, every season is chock full of shenanigans and tomfoolery. Shangie broke the camel’s back for me, especially since she still seemed completely out of her league.

  • My biggest takeaway from the 30 minutes that I watched is that Debbie essentially pulled a Michele running off into the ocean after failing a reward challenge. I wonder, who was the one who made fun of her then?

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Who is “Michele”?

      • corndogshuffle

        Barbara means Michelle Schubert. She was on Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          That’s right. The genius.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Not Michelle Yi who fell off the platform?

      • sharculese

        I’m just gonna casually walk through this neighborhood carrying a sawed-off shotgun and whistling “The Farmer in the Dell” for a minute.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I hate to say it, and many have said it already, but Mario Lanza is 100% right about Brad. He may not be great at Survivor, but he’s a decent guy. He desperately wanted to talk it out and make peace with Debbie. He even apologized (for no fucking reason). Even during the challenge, he’s trying to tell her that he still considers her a friend and ally. Debbie is the worst. This is why she’s on my fantasy team. (She’s not on Pick 4 because I forgot she was on the season at all…. or I managed to block it out for a while).

      • I think we are not done with Brad vs. Debbie, the greatest one-sided rivalry since Laura vs. Shambo (sorry, @PurpleTally, I think I stole your joke).

        • PurpleTally

          That’s okay. I am in support of anything supporting #TeamBrad

          • DrVanNostrand

            I’m more like #TeamBradIsOKHesNotTerribleAndMayHaveBeenJudgedUnfairly

          • corndogshuffle

            I never fully understood the hate Brad got from his game in BvW. Maybe I need to rewatch, but I don’t remember Brad being especially anything. He seems like a pretty decent guy and so far he’s playing the best game of anyone.

          • DrVanNostrand

            That was the point of the Mario Lanza entry. He made plenty of mistakes as a Survivor player, but he never did anything remotely villainous. And the most serious accusations were completely fabricated by Candice.

          • corndogshuffle

            I’m gonna find this one, I must have missed it.

          • It’s one of the latest ones…It was published right after the swap because Mario was able to get in a few references to antiquing.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I live to serve my friend:
            http://funny115.com/v3/84.htm

          • Mike Hirsch

            I like how on my phone your hashtag just trails off the screen.

          • DrVanNostrand

            The ‘ly’ didn’t even make it onto my laptop screen.

      • Other Scott

        I said it before Lanza posted it but everyone laughed at me!

        • sharculese

          THAT’S BECAUSE YOU SAY RIDICULOUS THINGS ALL THE TIME!

          To be fair, so does Lanza, but…. he has more .gifs?

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I said it in my write-up, although my emphasis was less on Brad himself than on the fact that anybody who drove the early boots was going to catch tons of blowback because of the way BvW was set up. I wish I had hit that note harder.

        • Hornacek

          Other Scott’s mother: “They’re all gonna laugh at you!”

      • Hornacek

        My favorite subtitle of the episode was “I love you. I don’t know why you’re so mad at me.”

  • PurpleTally

    So, the returning player–Surprise! Richard Hatch has been living on Exile since the start of the game and he’s joining Nuku.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Have they removed his ankle bracelet yet?

      • Oh yeah, that’s why reportedly he was doing The Biggest Loser.

        • corndogshuffle

          Because he was trying to lose enough weight to have the anklet just fall off? What a game changer!

          • Well done!

          • corndogshuffle

            I don’t tell many jokes… but when I do I make sure they’re damn good. I’m the anti Bill Posley.

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    “I’m fed up with you telling me what to do and not listening to my input! I have some excellent ideas but because I’m the low man on the totem pole I don’t get any say! Well you know what? F@#& you!”

    “I’m very sorry, Debbie. But as shift manager I’m gonna have to ask you to turn in your Red Lobster nametag.”

    • DrVanNostrand

      My current vote for featured comment.

      • Purplerockmatt

        Saturday Night Palsy has to stop being so funny and give you guys an equal shot at getting featured comment

    • “Ma’am, I’m really sorry if I hurt your feelings. I just really want more Cheddar Bay biscuits.”

    • sharculese

      My roommate had just come back from frisbie and went to take a quick rinse during the post reward challenge scenes, or as she called it “the eating and yelling at each other part.” She came back in right after Debbie’s confessional about Hali on the balance beam, and I told her I was rewinding this because someone else had to experience this bullshit.

      • Diego Armando

        I liked how everyone on her tribe was completely baffled by her arguments. I also do not remember seeing scenes played out in flashbacks before.

        • I think her tribe rightly knew there was no point in trying to challenge any of her arguments, because she’d just think that she was being further victimised. You sort of have to just keep quiet and let it play out.

        • They did in the series premiere when they highlighted Sonja’s slight trip during the IC.

  • Wild speculation time! Who is the former Survivor that’s going to return?

    Odds:
    Boston Rob- 15:1
    Earl- 10:1
    Richard Hatch- 12:1
    Michele- 999999999999:1
    Lil- 7:1

    • PurpleTally

      In a dreamworld, it’s Fairplay. But the odds are even worse for than than they are for Michele.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I want it to be Lil, only because I’ve heard the stories about how Sandra just ripped her to shreds and made her cry every day. Now that Sandra is a full blown villain, they might show it on TV.

      • sharculese

        CBS and Castaway Prodcutions just FYI, if you release a DVD of Sandra being mean to people it will be the first DVD I ever buy from you.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      If it’s Rodney I will literally shit in my pants.

      • Then scoop it out and throw it at the TV?

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          No… Just sit in it and sigh.

          • That kinda sums up how watching Worlds Apart felt for a while.

      • Black Dynamite

        So, there is a decent chance I will actually meet Rodney IRL in a few weeks. When I found out I thought of you and was wondering if there was anything you wanted me to say to him for you? There is no other scenario where I would want to interact with him, so this could be the perfect opportunity.

        • Purplerockmatt

          ask him if he got anything for his birthday

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Tell him Palsy’s coming for him.

          • One, two, Palsy’s coming for you
            Three, four, hide out on Koror
            Five, six, it’s a fucking stick
            Seven, eight, here comes Courtney Yates
            Nine, ten, Palsy has SPOKEN

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I think that if I was ever able to be a competitor on Survivor it would be perfect if it were a FvF season…

          • Favorites vs. Freddy? Not sure even Sandra could win (although she would make a hell of a Final Girl).

    • Purplerockmatt

      Rupert. It has to be Rupert right?

      • I was actually going to put Rupert as an option, because it wouldn’t be the first time he randomly showed up on someone else’s Survivor season.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          That’s not fair, he was meant to compete with Laura. (this is sarcasm)

        • Purplerockmatt

          Exactly. Plus he is very available

      • Maritimer

        I can’t even imagine that its anyone else

    • free7694

      Penner. To co-host with Probst.

      • Oh my gosh, it’s a reward challenge to see The Bye Bye Man.

    • Black Dynamite

      Stephen, to tell him that JT got voted out. Survivor loves those Fishbach tears.

    • Head Architect Sylvia

      Is it possible that the crew stumbled upon Cao Boi wandering aimlessly around the Mamanuca Islands? Legend has it that he hasn’t been sighted in 10 years.

      • I think people actually said that he was living in Cambodia right before Cambodia started to air.

        • DrVanNostrand

          I bet *they* loved his Asian jokes!!

          • Didn’t you hear that he was on Bayon, but he was booted because Savage didn’t like his look?

          • Head Architect Sylvia

            Oh I thought it was because he didn’t cry after Savage told him a touching story about his wife. I am mistaken.

          • It can be two things. He also didn’t like the fact that Cao Boi created this “Plan Voodoo” according to the Wiki.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          It’s not even production’s boat. Cao Boi’s just out for a boat ride.

          • Ozzy will be like “Just like old times. I just hope that Cao Boi remembered the pot this time”.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Tony. He found a Double Secret Idol. It was hidden at pre-merge Ponderosa, under his pillow.

      • sharculese

        Man, remember when this season had Tony on it. 🙁

    • forever1267

      With all the talk of sugar, it has to be …. Sugar!!! Dunh dunh DUNH!!!

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Is it possible it could be JT going to Exile/Redemption island? Kind of doubt it.

    • Sad Lil

      Shhhh don’t give it away

    • Cinnamon Owl

      It’s perplexing because except for Michaela and Zeke, you figure everyone knows each other. They are not going to be excited about Rupert (or anyone else) coming to explain Survivor, the way a tribe of newbie super fans would.

      • The simplest prediction is that it’s Boston Rob coming to congratulate Ozzy for being the Survivor with the most days spent playing. Then maybe Rob gets to be the honorary starting gun for a reward challenge: “Survivahs ready? Go!”

        • corndogshuffle

          There’s one too many Rs in his Boston version of “Suhvivah”.

        • purplerockandy

          I think this one gets 2:1 odds.

      • Hornacek

        Yeah, this seems like a strange thing to do on a returnee season. I could see a newbie season excited to have a former Survivor like Boston Rob visit and show them how to do stuff they don’t know how to do.

        But on a returnee season – what could this mystery guest possibly have to teach them?

        • Maybe show them the proper way to run over balance beams? He’s really good at that.

          Though not quite as good as Debbie.

          • Hornacek

            DON’T CRUSH MY HEART!!!

    • the sky is falling

      Is the new visitor joining the game? Last week we were talking about worst possible twist.

      That might be it.

      • Cinnamon Owl

        I’m assuming it’s a reward thing. Except I don’t know which former contestant would be viewed as a reward.

        *thinks* *so if Survivor knows this is not really a reward for the contestants, but it’s to entertain the audience, but it’s not Fairplay because they don’t love us that much*…

        It’s Abi Maria?

        • Maybe it’s a reward challenge in which the losing tribe has to host Abi-Maria for two days, at the end of which she will vote off whichever of them she has developed a random vendetta against in that period.

      • Nah, I don’t think Survivor would fuck up that badly at this point in its run.

        • the sky is falling

          If you are wrong, you will join Mike Flynn in the league of unfortunate quotes. “Any one asking for immunity is guilty”

  • Since I am watching Micronesia and Game Changers at the same time, I am noticing some small similarities. The biggest one though (besides Cirie and Ozzy) is the fact that they have so many different roles in these challenges to almost ensure that Production Faves don’t go home. They did not do this in Cambodia. When is the last season that we have had multiple separate jobs for tribe members during a challenge?

    • Prom King

      I’ve been doing the same! It’s actually my third time watching Micronesia because I love that season so much. Cirie & Parvati are amazing and Jason & Erik are a lot of fun. Still not a fan of Natalie.

      • Something Quirky

        I agree with that cast assessment completely!

    • Kemper Boyd

      It does happen in a few seasons. It’s great cos it means Sandra isn’t a super weakness.

  • DrVanNostrand

    OK, this is the most obvious comment of the night. How delusional can Debbie possibly be? After Hali gets across the balance beam, her team has a huge lead. When Debbie has to do the balance thing, both other tribes pass her, and her team doesn’t even get to start the slide puzzle. HOW IS THIS ALL HALI’S FAULT? I FEEL LIKE I’M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!!
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0500975e346e44be61b5f012022daa594388bbbb657941110e07fbc31c1df362.gif

    • Roswulf

      Well, the alternative is that it is Debbie’s fault, and that’s obviously impossible.

      • Head Architect Sylvia

        I originally thought it was Debbie’s fault but when she said she learned gymnastics for 10 years I very quickly realised that the edit had duped us! There’s no way she could have screwed that up! Evil Hali used her sweet schoolgirl charm to twist the camera man to do her bidding. Justice for Debbie!

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Debbie is fling-a-water-fountain-through-the-window levels of crazy.

    • forever1267

      Time is a tad more fluid in Debbie’s world.

    • sharculese

      The part I loved most is how Hali is too chill to even process what is happening to her.

      • Hornacek

        “Wait, what?”

  • Black Dynamite

    I want Sandra and Michaela to be partners in anything. Survivor, Amazing Race, watching movies together, doing their taxes. I’m here for it all. I love them together so much. Throw in Courtney there as well and that trio can tour the country.

    • I just said this to Matt in our staff chat, but if they want to just give us a Michaela and Sandra buddy comedy for the next few weeks, they’ll get no complaints from me.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Varner as their bemused neighbour?

      • PurpleTally

        I would watch a solid hour of Michaela listing things she does around camp and Sandra agreeing with her. It would be more interesting than 99% of what we’ve seen about Tavua so far, since they seem to think the draws on that tribe are Troy and Sarah.

        • Cinnamon Owl

          Sarah is playing a very odd persona. Last time around her cop lie detector skills were a joke, but she’s seemingly convinced it’s her Thing.

          She’ll appear at a challenge and I’ll think “Oh wait, Sarah is still here” and then she’ll do a confessional and I’ll think “Sara is still here?”

          • That’s the bonkers thing: If you have seen Cagayan, then you know that half of Sarah’s confessional are bullshit. She did not have a good social game. She could not tell when people were lying besides Tony’s professional.

          • Cinnamon Owl

            She’s definitely one of those players who survives by never being noticed by anyone. Except that that’s not her deliberate strategy, just what happens to her when she tries to be a strategic mastermind.

      • Maritimer

        Varner can play the studio audience

    • DrVanNostrand

      I was torn on JT leaving, but this comment settles it. JT fucked himself, so I don’t feel bad for him. But I do want this pair to continue. I even loved Michaela’s reaction when she found out Sandra had been trolling them.

    • Violina23

      I wrote on Twitter, I’d watch a show of them both just giving us FACE for an hour

  • free7694

    Hey, now 10% of the Game Changers cast has completely blown their game over peanut butter.

  • Side Character

    Sandra Diaz-Twine is the queen. Don’t get it twisted, get it twisted, this her shit. Bow down, bitches.

    I was really hoping for Sandra to pull out something like, “Where’s that snake motherfucker, JT? I tell you what, can’t nobody trust that bitch right there.”

  • Ethan Kyle

    Debbie pre challenge: I can do balance, I love doing balance
    Debbie post challenge: HOW DARE BRAD FORCE ME TO DO THE BALANCE BEAM

    • Purplerockmatt

      Also I was great at the balance beam, Hali was terrible!

      • It took Hali ten minutes while it took Debbie one or two minutes.

        • Mike Hirsch

          Debbie did mention how slippery something was. Possibly she meant the beam? After, presumably, Hali sweated all over it? Or maybe Debbie was talking about the slope she was about to slide down in her head.

      • Other Scott

        Does Debbie just rewrite history in her head or something? Like this woman is deranged and I’m starting to feel like should not have been on Survivor once, much less twice.

        • sharculese

          That’s because she shouldn’t have been on Survivor once.

      • Head Architect Sylvia

        A L T E R N A T I V E F A C T S

      • Mike Hirsch

        I am definitely better at balance beams than I am at mason jars.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I loved the “Hali killed it on the balance beam, Debbie killed us” then straight into Debbie in confessional “she tool 10 minutes and I zipped right over”.
      Please don’t let her be a goat.

  • Guys, did Tai find another idol? Did that happen?

    • Side Character

      Not yet. He found a clue for it, though.

      • What did the clue say?

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Dunk a board in water until the tribe logo appears. But they overlaid audio of him reading that over tape of him walking past the well.

          • So in theory, the idol is in the well or does he have to dunk it in the well or can he dunk it anywhere?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Unclear. My best guess is that the idol is in the well, and the cover is treated to indicate that when wet. So he can dunk the wood in the ocean and return to get the idol, he can drop it down the well, or maybe just splash water on the top of the cover.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        He’ll need someone to help him figure that out, I think. But if he has the clue and doesn’t share it, it may go unearthed for the rest of the season.

        • Oh, so he may have to do that before next episode if they are swapping/merging again.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            My guess is that he won’t have time for that, since they seem to swap the morning after a tribal. But if he ends up back at Mana beach, different story.

          • I don’t know because in the NTOS, we see the tribal immunity diving bell behind him.

      • Black Dynamite

        That line​ about him possibly finding it later may come back to bite him if he has to change beaches during the swap.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          I will be mad if he doesn’t follow through and win me some fantasy points. Then again, Tai with idols already messed up enough of this season.

          • I….might be okay with him messing up a little bit more of the season.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            That would put me clear ahead in the FOTM League, so if I have your blessing, can I get some of that Barbara Anderson Witchcraft™ to come my way?

          • What is FOTM?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Free on Tuesday Morning

          • Oh shit, no…..oh wait, I am not to going win that one at all now.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Not to jinx anything, but you do have OW Brad on your team, and there’s only 3 points between you and second place.

          • For some reason, I thought I drafted Malcolm, JT, AND Tony. Nope, that was just a weird dream or a different league.

          • Black Dynamite

            This question hurts a bit. Our league matters. It’s the only one I can beat you in.

          • I don’t remember the acronym or the name of it. I just remember that I am losing in it. Isn’t that enough, Denzel?

          • Black Dynamite

            *head down, kicks dirt* I guess it’s enough.

          • PurpleTally

            Tai is not on my team, so much like David last season, he cannot be gone quickly enough for my tastes.

          • If it eases your mind, he was not in contention for my Pick 4 team unlike David.

          • PurpleTally

            I know. We’re rooting for the same guys in Pick-4, at least.

          • indescribable hat

            Everyone who can hurt PurpleTally’s team must stay!

  • Taako From Teevhii

    So there’s a Sarah storyline that’s obviously getting teed up, and it’s no longer the case that she’ll be voted off of Tavua for being too close to Troy. So what are the odds she goes out the same way she did in Cagayan?

    • See, Sarah in Cagayan was always present even when they didn’t go to Tribal. It wasn’t the greatest edit, but she was definitely there. I am wondering if she is going to get pissed at Troy after Troy plays his idol (without him telling her) or she gets him before he can play his idol. Also, after she brags about being able to tell when someone is lying, she could not tell that Troy was concealing the truth about the idol.

      TL/DR: I don’t think this scene is necessarily the best scene for either of them.

      • Mike Hirsch

        One can hope!

  • Black Dynamite

    I feel like we need to give Troy some credit. Sarah told him not to act suspicious and he immediately went about failing to rip off a branch. Natural Troy.

    • DrVanNostrand

      He usually uses his member like a prehensile tail, but he was trying to play it cool. He’s pretty clumsy without it.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      While looking around to make sure no one was watching.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Troy deserved an Oscar for that performance.

  • Other Scott

    Okay great episode on multiple levels, this feels like by far the best game Sandra’s played so far even if she doesn’t win. To do what she’s doing with the level of target that is on her back is impressive as hell. And also, HELLO MICHAELA! Welcome to the party!

    But I have to say the one thing that’s crushing my soul about this season is the portrayal of Aubry as the person who continually keeps picking the wrong side. First it was receiving votes on a split because of her alliance with Tony, then it’s siding with JT when Sandra’s about to turn everything around on him.

    I think the obvious explanation is Aubry has set herself up as the main anti-Sandra force, and the anti-Sandra forces really have not gotten the support they need to do anything. Thus Aubry is the one who keeps getting crapped on and finding herself on the wrong side.

    • DrVanNostrand

      The thing that makes me nervous is that the Aubry-Sandra beef has gotten no airtime. If Aubry mattered, it would have to make the show. I’m hoping for the best, but I’m nervous about Aubry.

      • Parvatis2Idols

        Sameee. I was just thinking this. If Nuku goes to TC next week then Varner, Michaela, and Sandra will probably all vote Aubry (unless Varner decides to flip, but even then they’d go to a tie so who knows). And I really doubt that challenge beast Sandra and Varner are going to keep Nuku away from TC…

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Did you see the preview for next week?

          • Parvatis2Idols

            No I didn’t!

          • tocantins

            They seem to be merging to two!

      • Roswulf

        It’s POSSIBLE that there’s a merge to two next week, the two get split up, and Sandra gets voted out pre-real-merge. That would account for the lack of coverage for the Sandra-Aubrey feud, even if Aubrey goes deep.

        But that’s also kind of grasping at straws. The show just seems uninterested in Aubrey.

    • Max_Jets

      I think it’s more that Sandra set herself up as anti-Aubry, but it’s probably a little of both.

      • Other Scott

        No you’re right after reflection. Sandra just wants nothing to do with Aubry this season but would prefer to keep her as her sad little puppy dog to kick around than to actually vote out.

        • Max_Jets

          Don’t tell anyone else around here, but I really hope Aubry comes out on top.

          • Other Scott

            Did you see my favourite player list! Only one of these two was on it, and it wasn’t Sandra (though I love Sandra she’s definitely top 10)

          • Max_Jets

            I’m glad I’m not alone. I also love Sandra, but compared to this community I basically hate her.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Or maybe…. Sandra and Aubry become tight allies after the merge out of necessity, and get to or close to the end, so their pre-merge feud unnecessarily complicates the narrative.

  • Roswulf

    Well, that was delightful.

    I think my favorite part was Sandra coming clean about the sugar the minute JT was gone. She didn’t let it fester; instead she brought Michaela into the full cackling joy of utterly playing JT.

    My second favorite part is the look in Varner’s eyes as Sandra weaves her magic spell. He’s the perfect audience surrogate.

    You guys, I think Sandra is good at Survivor.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      You’d think it wouldn’t going over as smoothly considering how the first vote went. Was this ideal for Michaela Bradshaw? Maybe it’s the high of blindsiding JT, but has something changed that she enjoyed Sandra making her a target?

      • It may have also been the high of surviving that tribal as well…or it could have been the rest of the coffee/tea/water going through her body.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I think it’s a sign of how good Sandra can be. She has clearly explained it in a language Michaela can get behind. “Look JT is coming for you, nothing we can do to change that, but he thinks we are with him, we are with you Michaela. He’s going home. Trust me”

        • Maritimer

          Yeah, the difference here I think was that JT suggested her name/it was clear he was coming for her. I think at the Ciera boot they told Michaela that they told Ciera it was her, rather than saying Ciera put her forward, which was the cause of the problem

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          And give Michaela some credit, too. In this situation there’s an obvious reason she’s the decoy. In the Ciera vote her name was “randomly” floated as the decoy, and that rightly set off alarm bells.

          • Kemper Boyd

            That is fair, in a tribe of 5 where you are tricking the other 2 if they want you then you have to be the decoy. You can’t expect to be able to make it Varner when there is no animosity towards Varner.

        • sharculese

          It also gets into “it’s different when Sandra does it because she’s funny” territory, tho. (Mean that in a good way.)

          Sandra reveals that she engineered JT’s fixation on Michaela, which easily could have led to a ‘fuuuuuuuck you’ reaction but instead ended with Michaela being like ‘oh, you clever rascal.’ Not everyone can pull that off.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Is that not part of “Sandra is really good”? it’s her innate ability to get enough people onside to win.

            I don’t necessarily think she does it on purpose but it’s just part of her personality that makes her good.

          • sharculese

            Yeah, thats what I was saying.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Sorry. Then I fully agree. She is awesome.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Can someone check the tape on this: Did Debbie throw in a “Fuck You, Brad Culpepper” somewhere in her rant?

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      No, but you can see it in the clouds in the background.

  • Diego Armando

    Survivor has some of the greatest editors on tv. From putting eagle cries after Coach’s confessionals to panning out to reveal that Wentworth was standing 10 feet from Drewchebag, they never pass up an opportunity to make a deserving asshole look stupid in the most hilarious way possible. The Debbie flashback and perception vs. reality confessional now belong in that pantheon of “Laugh at that idiot”.

    • I am imagining Debbie raging around her own home right now, utterly furious that she’s not even allowed to make any sort of response to this yet. Her exit interviews are going to be something.

      • Kemper Boyd

        She will have lost 200 pounds and be completely right about everything.

      • Hornacek

        Like Garrett, I suspect Rob will ask Debbie one question and she’ll talk non-stop for 20 minutes.

      • Oh no, I wasn’t dreading the reunion until now.

        • Something Quirky

          I’m really curious about if they’ll bring this up or not. Is Jeff gonna make another play for some sort of Dr Jeff talkshow?

          • There are two different scenarios here:
            Debbie gets asked a general question and brings up.
            Both Brad and Debbie make it to the merge, but Brad makes it to FTC while Debbie does not. Debbie then gives a withering FTC speech against Brad and his dictator style. That then causes Jeff to ask about it at the reunion.

    • indescribable hat

      Except for Rupert!

  • Sylvisual

    That Tribal performance alone justifies Michaela’s addition to this season. Oscar, please.

    • Parvatis2Idols

      “Does it even matter”

  • Prom King

    Farewell JT!. Tony, Malcolm, and now him… I feel like I should be sad that three of my favorites are gone but they all went in such fun ways, surprising ways. Plus this just leaves more screen time for Sandra, Michaela, and Cirie. Although I’m worried again for Sandra now that second swap is coming.

    I might be in the minority on this one, but I just don’t enjoy watching Debbie in general and her freak outs make my skin crawl. It’s a combination of pity and disgust I guess, and I hate feeling that way towards a player. Probably why I didn’t enjoy Coach in his first season.

    Although at least Debbie brought out a great line from Tai with that “Debbie’s just different; she’s a crazy lady”… Tai’s version of being sympathetic is hilarious!

    • Kemper Boyd

      Not in the minority here man. I’m over her.

    • Other Scott

      I think Debbie was fine as a WTF thing for one episode, like I enjoyed that storyline of how insane she is.

      But I really won’t be able to put up with this for much longer.

      • corndogshuffle

        I was convinced we were getting a “meltdown leads to boot that the editors don’t even attempt to hide” episode. Ugh. If only we were so lucky.

        • Other Scott

          I mean what we got was pretty good too. But I’d definitely take the Debbie boot this time and the Michaela/ Sandra snowing Jt next time.

          • corndogshuffle

            Oh yeah, this was still the best episode of the season. Maybe the best in the last several seasons. I think in a way JT needed to get voted it for it to be this good. Still would be nice to dump Debbie who is officially bordering on “Philip in Redemption Island” bad.

        • Purplerockmatt

          I was shocked that her tribe won immunity. Like had to pause and ask myself, what the hell are they gonna pull a One World and volunteer for tribal or something?

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I was half-expecting all of Mana except Debbie to just keep standing on the starting mat.

          • Hornacek

            After last week’s tribal, I half-expected Mana to do the same thing except it would be everyone but JT.

    • Something Quirky

      I couldn’t even fully focus on the screen when it was happening, it was so uncomfortable.

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      I also do not enjoy watching Debbie. I’m starting to think she has actual psych issues (one in particular, I’m pretty sure about), and I’m not sure she should be there.

      • Prom King

        I compared her to Coach, but at least I got some pleasure out of Coach’s downfall, as well as his subsequent seasons. I’m torn between thinking of her like I do Philip – an obnoxious clown who is nowhere near as entertaining as the producers seem to think – or thinking of her like Brandon Hantz 2.0 – an unstable person who makes me sad & uncomfortable and shouldn’t have been brought back in the first place.

        Maybe the latter more. I’ve worked with borderline personalities and she exhibits a lot of the same traits.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          I think of her as more toward the Brandon Hantz 2.0 status of “I’m pretty sure she shouldn’t be out there.” It feels a little too over the line for me. Of course, I can’t diagnose anyone from the couch nor am I a mental health professional (just have some more than usual knowledge because of my fiancee’s doctoral studies and my job), but it’s not like I can say I’m confident that Survivor would never put someone out there who shouldn’t be – because it happened.

  • PurpleTally

    This was Michaela’s original vote for JT, btw. They must have made her change it. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/88e0ebef691dd23d7ed56cd76341c493dc2fef78e926431a4caa17862dec92ce.png

    • Parvatis2Idols

      she censored it and everything!!!

    • That’s really weird because they have censored voted before (see Acehole and Cockran), so that’s bizarre.

    • Max_Jets

      I bet Aubry is kicking herself for not writing #ByeBitch on her parchment when she crossed out Julia’s name.

  • VoicOff

    That sequence when JT is showing Sandra the empty sugar jar and the focus pulls from him to her watching us is the best shot in all of Survivor.
    It single-handedly summarize the episode as well.

    That was great. So glad JT is sent home in such a humiliating way. His comments toward Michaela went overboard for me.

  • cazkaye

    I’m calling it now, Rupert is back next week

    • VoicOff

      God i hope not

      • cazkaye

        What? But everyone loves Rupert! Haven’t you seen the survivor facebool page

        • VoicOff

          I kinda want to go spoil myself on who is this mysterious returnee.

          • cazkaye

            Yeah me too. Although my bet is still on rupert survivor Israel style

          • Kemper Boyd

            I didn’t watch the preview, got here and someone is coming back? I want it to be Hantz.

          • cazkaye

            Well it says a former survivor makes a surprise return, but it’s a survivor preview so that could mean anything really

          • Kemper Boyd

            So Rupert helping them at camp?

          • cazkaye

            Yep, losers have to live in a shelter built by Rupert.

          • cazkaye

            Yeah so do I. My bet is still on Rupert survivor Isreal style though

  • cazkaye

    Has Debbie surpassed coach as a character yet?

    • PurpleTally

      Coach improved his strategy and toned down his weirdness (like on a scale from normal to Exile Island Coach, at least), whereas Debbie just gets more and more nuts. I think Phillip is a more accurate comparison.
      Also, Coach is likable. Debbie is…Debbie.

      • cazkaye

        Yeah you’re probably right l, Philip’s a better comparison. I was more thinking tocantines captured in the amazon Coach

        • PurpleTally

          Tocantins Coach is a fine comparison. I was just thinking of Coach’s whole storyline. Man, Survivor has had some great characters.

      • cazkaye

        Yeah you probably right Philio is a better comparison. I was thinking more Tocantines beong captured in the amazon coach

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I’m not a psychologist, but I tend to suspect that the thing all three of them have in common is some level of narcissism. Debbie’s outburst reminded me a little bit of Coach getting upset over Rob saying he didn’t work around camp. When people are playing along, these three can be fun, silly characters. But if something challenges the image they think they’re representing, then they are liable to flip out. Apparently Debbie fancies herself a challenge beast, and so when she struggled with the balance beam and ultimately caused her tribe to lose, she had to lash out and blame everyone around her – and especially Hali (who outperformed her in the challenge) and Brad (who is the leader of the tribe).

        • However, this is not the first time that Debbie has said that she is good at challenges. See “puzzles lay down for me like lovers”.

          • sharculese

            That was my immediate reaction when she asked to be on the balance beam. “Debbie, there’s a puzzle, don’t those lay down for you like lovers?”

          • Maybe not slide puzzles. She might think that they are too easy for her big frontal lobe.

          • sharculese

            Or she doesn’t know the algorithm and doesn’t want to admit it. Which BTW, good job on Zeke. Slide puzzles work on an algorithm and if you it you can solve them quickly. If you expect to be the puzzle person on your tribe, fucking learn to solve slide puzzles.

          • Especially after that brag session, you would hope that Zeke knows the algorithm. Speaking of which, what is the algorithm?

          • sharculese

            Algorithm was the wrong word, it’s more of an intuitive thing, yhat varies with the dimensions of the puzzle, but basically there’s a certain order you rotate pieces in to maintain chains that guide things to the right place, and the general strategy should be solve from top to bottom. It’s a learnable skill, and one that Zeke apparently took the time to learn.

          • I would like to know how to do a slide puzzle because I would be Tony-esque in my abilities.

          • sharculese

            Really, the only way to learn how is just to do them. There’s probably a baseline level of spatial reasoning skills built in, but the more you do them the more your brain just absorbs the patterns tiles need to move in. Tony’s frantic slamming is why he can’t solve them – he’s not trying to look for how to lead pieces around the board.

            I haven’t done one in a while and might struggle if I tried right now, but about thirty minutes work and I’m pretty sure it would start clicking again.

          • Oh dear, I am not good with patterns. Word puzzles maybe. Pattern related-nope.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            It’s not about patterns the way solving the bottom two layers of a Rubik’s cube is about patterns. Like sharc said, you solve in rows from top to bottom, and each row from left to right. The only tricky parts are getting the rightmost piece of each row into place (and really, anybody should be able to figure out how to do this pretty quickly) and getting the bottom row in the right order.

        • tocantins

          I actually get the opposite impression: Debbie seems to be a very insecure person, and she (crazily) overcompensates for this by trying to speak up the abilities that she might (or might not) have. When she tanked the challenge, she immediately felt these insecurities rise to her head. And that explains why she immediately thought she was on the bottom of the pole. It also explains why she also directed her criticism at Hali, since Hali is younger, prettier, and now physically better than herself. (A “princess”, like she said.)

          Anyway, I’m not a shrink; I’m just guessing here.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          There’s a neediness and self-pity just below the surface with Coach that makes him much more entertaining (and possibly a more interesting psychological case) than the Specialist or Debbie. Look at the way he completely bought into Tyson’s “advice” in HvV. Philip and Debbie would (correctly) have been offended.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Tyson and Coach’s discussion in HvV is just the best

          • sharculese

            I think I’ve mentioned this before, but when my old roommate, who I watched HvV with, started getting into yoga, every time I saw him get his mat out I told him, “do your yoga where no one can see you.”

          • Hornacek

            Of course Coach would buy into Tyson’s advice in HvV. Tyson was acting as Assistant Coach in that situation.

      • the sky is falling

        I always saw Phillip as a guy who was,to a degree, acting and trying to be a “reality tv personality. The only time Phillip flew off the handle like Debbie, was when he perceived a racist attack when someone called him ‘crazy’

        Debbie is just nuts

        • Hornacek

          I said it more than once back on AVClub (and maybe here too), but the one thing that could have saved Redemption Island (maybe that season’s beyond saving, but it would have made it better) would have been if at the start of the FTC Philip had started talking in a British accent and revealed he was actually a highly-educated Harvard professor who had put on the whole “Philip” persona the entire game.

          • the sky is falling

            In a perfect world.

            Why has no one tried this before? We need a Keyser Soze one season.

    • Other Scott

      No. Coach always kept some form of grounding to him so that you could see a relateable human being in there somewhere. Debbie is just purely insane.

      • cazkaye

        That’s true Coach is certainly more relatable. I meant from a pure entertainment standpoint

  • Kemper Boyd

    After 3 games is it official that JT isn’t that good at Survivor now?

    • I would really like to know what would happen if the Tocantins jury were made to watch Heroes vs Villains, Cambodia and Game-Changers, and THEN vote for the winner of Survivor Tocantins.

      • Kemper Boyd

        JT was really good in the FTC, he through Stephen so far under the bus it wasn’t even funny.

        • He was great, but we have more information now.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Absolutely. Where a player like Sandra has never disappointed or Parvarti has always done well, JT looks dumber and dumber each time he plays.

          • Every time he plays he’s a bit older and a bit less charismatic than he was the last time around, and it’s leading to some sharply diminishing returns.

        • Purplerockmatt

          right and also… (whisper voice) Stephen is not good at Survivor either

          • Kemper Boyd

            (whisper voice) I know…

          • First Coldplay, then this? How dare you.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I don’t think Stephen is very good on KIA. I really enjoy Sophie and liked David Wright today…

          • I wonder if he is someone who needs some time to process his thoughts instead of doing them live. Maybe that is why he has been fairly successful with his People blog.

          • Hornacek

            It was a plaid explosion!

        • Something Quirky

          He had a lot of help with that, though. The jury were already weirdly gunning against Stephen.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Smart boy thinks he’s better than us.

        • indescribable hat

          I loved that. However he may sully his legacy, he can’t take that FTC performance away from me.

    • Other Scott

      He’s still an excellent social player. I think as long as he can keep the strategy simple like he was allowed to in Tocantins, he is very dangerous.

      I think it’s a matter of game awareness. He has that Jon Misch problem of assuming everything is going his way and is going to continue to go his way. That didn’t burn him in Tocantins because it always was going his way so his assumptions were correct. Here, it burned him real bad, Terry.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I don’t think strategy has been that simple for a very long time. Even in Gabon and Worlds Apart there were a lot of swings and moves.

        • Other Scott

          No Tocantins was really one of the most straight-forward seasons ever from a strategic perspective. Aside from China, it was maybe the most straight-forward of the post-season 10 era

          • purplerockandy

            One of the reasons I’m not that high on Tocantins, tbh.

          • Other Scott

            I think I’m even lower on it than you are. A lot of that is because I think JT is just plain dull in the season, and even Fishbach didn’t really impress me that much.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Right, that’s why China and Tocantins (and Panama) are such good introductory Survivor seasons.

            Coach 1.0 tho….

          • purplerockandy

            Fair.

      • Roswulf

        I think that’s a misread- a player who assumes everything is going his way isn’t someone who makes the big moves that have ruined JT’s game in both HvV and Game Changers. Sierra is someone who assumes everything is going her way, so she tries to keep the ship steady.

        No, I think it’s just garden variety arrogance. JT thinks he’s smarter than everyone else, and he isn’t. He thinks his brilliance can get him out of bad situations, and sometimes it can’t.

        BTW, I would have no objection to JT coming back for Round 4. He’s 3/3 on creating entertaining gameplay and television.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          I might not have called JT arrogant until this latest episode, but I think you’re spot on. The way he was acting during every scene about the stupid sugar was so obnoxious, and seemed like a really poor social choice for someone who was ostensibly on the bottom and in big trouble. I would have thought he was just being petulant about being the probable next boot, but then when he started in with all the stuff about “Michaela has to go next” he was just off the rails for me.
          I can’t believe that he was always like that, so I can only assume that age and a million dollars have turned him into…well, basically how I would imagine a 33 year old former hillbilly millionaire would act.

          • Cinnamon Owl

            Especially because only Michaela and JT used the sugar. Why do you imagine everyone else is up and arms about this, doofus? Compared to your giving away Malcolm a few hours ago?

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Exactly! I think it speaks way more to everyone else’s social skills that they played along with his anger over the stupid sugar controversy instead of telling him he was being a dumb jerk.

          • tocantins

            I don’t know. I’ve seen it in multiple places this condemnation of JT and his sugar; I find it very understandable. He is on an island, with almost no kind of condiment or anything that tastes well. So the sugar is very important, and there is so little of it! I got the impression that the reason he was pissed at Michaela drinking the 7 drops of coffee with a spoon of sugar is not that it was a stupid drink, it is that she was just covering for the fact that she wanted to eat pure sugar. Now, I concede that it was a bit egoistical of him (especially since apparently only he and Michaela even ate the sugar at all), and certainly it wasn’t very socially skillful, but I think it is understandable.

            I also got the impression that Michaela was being way more obnoxious than the edit showed. Malcolm said he didn’t like her; at the immunity challenge, we saw that she was angry when deciding the strategies. She doesn’t seem like an easy person to have around. (But of course JT should know that people are willing to put up with a lot for a million dollars.)

          • Something Quirky

            Yeah, I was a little bit surprised by what we were hearing about Michaela, including from Malcolm, because while we see how she acts when it comes to challenges, we haven’t seen much of how she acts around camp other than in this episode.

          • I think this was a bad tribe draw for her. She’s the youngest by several years, it’s a tribe of big personalities, and also in Malcolm, JT and Aubry a tribe with three great athletes on it. She did well last season when she was on tribes which were happy to let her take a starring role in challenges, but here she’s with people who haven’t seen what she can do, and aren’t inclined to let her have her shot because they’re confident they can do it better.

            I think on either Mana or Takeo she’d be in a much better position – she can do anything Sierra or Hali or Andrea are doing, and also have a more natural ally age-wise in any of those slots.

          • Cinnamon Owl

            I’m surprised they didn’t all just eat straight sugar, for the calorie hit. And it won’t mess with your digestion the way a rich food reward will.

            Sandra was brilliant to see that the sugar was a way to send JT right over the edge. JT was not brilliant to let this work.

    • Hornacek

      Was Tocantins a fluke? Signs point to “yes”.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Perfect conditions for the win. There are other winners this is true for *cough* Michele *cough*.

        • purplerockandy

          I think JT is a social player under the conditions of “being around a group of people who really dig his vibe”. I think those conditions could’ve happened in seasons other than Tocantins, but I don’t think they could ever be replicated in a returnee season.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I agree but I’d say the same about Michele, I think her vibe could work for other groups. Her cast clearly love her, I strongly doubt that others wouldn’t but it would never happen with returnees.

  • Kemper Boyd

    You know we were all worried about Sandra’s legacy, it’s cemented, she could go out next and she would still be the Queen. I think she has successfully completed her primary goal for the season, stay the only 2 time winner.

    • VoicOff

      I am not worried, but i so wish she would make the merge, i so mish she would get into the final 6, i don’t dare hope she wins again, because that’s not gonna happen, but she is gold on my screen.

      • Kemper Boyd

        We all deserve for her to at least be on the jury. Her FTC question will be fire.

        • pufflehuff

          I’m really hoping that we get the Sandra v. Cirie feud or that Sandra and Brad take their armies against each other.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I would be just as happy watching Sandra throw herself out as a free vote over and over again and then win.

          • pufflehuff

            yeah, there’s not really a scenario where a Sandra win isn’t glorious.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I’m not hoping to see any Sandra/Cirie beef until the merge. If they get paired on the same tribe in this swap, it’s much more likely that Cirie’s squad will outnumber whatever backup Sandra has.

          • pufflehuff

            Agree, they both have to make at least the jury. The hope is for a long-running simmering feud, with Ozzy and ‘Pretty Lady’ taken out as bystanders and it all culminating in the final episode…highly likely…

        • VoicOff

          Just her reaction shots would be like christmas every week

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            And the Ponderosa videos *kisses fingers like an Italian chef*

    • Mike Hirsch

      She has been completely awesome. And, for anyone turned off by her cockiness: SHE’S WON TWICE. She can be as cocky as she damn well pleases.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I didn’t include this scenario in my best scenario on my pre-season Sandra hype po…, I mean preview. But this scenario is top level stuff. TOP LEVEL SANDRA STUFF.

        • Roswulf

          We don’t know what will happen from here, but right now Sandra is beating much her 99% projection. Incredible TV, incredible gameplay, and incredible in ways that are both consistent with her wins and totally unlike them.

          Sandra in this season thus far is, episode for episode, my favorite Survivor performance ever.

          • Kemper Boyd

            WOW, that’s a big statement. I don’t think it bodes that well for her chances of actually winning but she is hands down the pre-merge star of this season. I love it because yeah Sandra is good tv but I’ve always felt that the show doesn’t love her the way they love Cirie or Parv or Cochran, yet I think pound for pound Sandra is the best combo of entertaining and good at the game that there is.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I also wonder how much of the cockiness is strategy? Her “go to the end with Saaaaandra” pitch feels like a politician to me, and not in an altogether bad way. She is working her allies hard with that message (“I only know how to get to -what?- Day 39”) while simultaneously giving off the vibe that she’s a cocky villain, which probably assuages the concerns of some.

        • Maritimer

          I think this is it. Her under the radar strategy clearly was not going to work for a 3rd time, so she “changed her game” and went with upfront, brash, cocky villain. She becomes the glaring target you can always get next time or is your apparent meat shield and she keeps slipping through

          • Parvatis2Idols

            Which makes me worry because that kind of strategy can work *if* you can manipulate other people enough to always target someone else and think they can get you later (which she can do) AND you can win enough individual immunities at the end so it doesn’t matter (which she cannot).

          • Taako From Teevhii

            The only way she wins immunity at F4 is if the IC is a spanish spelling bee. There’s going to need to be a major pivot or a major meat shield along for the ride, or she won’t make FTC

          • Maritimer

            Basically, she needed Malcolm to be her F4 boot. I’m not sure who else provides a good enough shield. She needs someone in the Wentworth position, the underdog/opposing alliance player who would clearly win so HAS to be the boot – like Cirie, Andrea, or even Brad

          • Taako From Teevhii

            One the one hand, it looks tough because she and her alliance are in the underdog position right now. On the other, there are cracks in Nuku 1.0 between Debra and Sarah and whichever way the wind’s blowing when people talk to Cirie. She seems to have Varner, Michaela, and Troy in her pocket, so she has loyal players who would keep her after Old Nuku’s gone. But if there’s a IIC beast like Ozzy or possibly Michaela (a Mike-less SDT perhaps?) who makes it to F4/5 with them, Sandra’s sitting pretty.

          • Maritimer

            It can’t be Ozzy, if there’s one thing her alliance is short on, its immunity threats. Michaela is the only one I would think who maybe, possibly could give him a run in the right challenge. Ozzy is the Joe this season – first time he doesn’t have immunity you have to boot him

          • Roswulf

            There’s a not entirely dumb argument that Sandra should ally with Ozzy.

            If there’s one player who could convince himself he would beat Sandra with a jury, it’s Ozzy (to be fair, if there’s one player who could beat Sandra with certain juries, it’s Ozzie). It’s still unlikely, but it’s a path.

          • Maritimer

            This is true. He could be this season’s Russell. Its also possible it could be Troy. Or both

          • indescribable hat

            Oh my god if it’s Cirie again I’ll be heartbroken for her.

          • Parvatis2Idols

            I think she’s found one in Michaela, but Michaela can also get loud too wtf

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Maybe I’m searching for ways to get Sandra to the end, but I suspect Brad and Sandra will want to use each other as millionaire shields, and as well as Brad is doing this time around, I can definitely see him overestimating his ability to sway a jury and underestimating Sandra’s.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I might resign to just thinking that Sandra probably won’t get to the end and win. That seems to be how she usually gets to the end and wins.

          • purplerockandy

            Sandra has also become her own meat shield. It’s amazing.

        • tocantins

          I thought this “I only know how to get to -what?- Day 39” speech was very funny, but also quite ridiculous. I could see in Michaela’s face; she thinking, “Should I just forget now that you won both times you got to day 39?”

          • purplerockandy

            I’m sure she’s constantly feeding them the line that no one would ever vote for her to be a three time winner.

          • Purplerockmatt

            at some point she has to stop telling people that so often that they believe it

    • Sylvisual

      I still maintain she’s been a weak player this season, but these last two days so far are the most brilliant she’s been since Russell’s hat fire sale. I don’t think a swap will bode well, but then again…

      • Kemper Boyd

        You are wrong. But that’s ok, people are allowed to be wrong. She’s driven 2 of the boots of the 4 tribals she has been to.

  • pufflehuff

    Some things I enjoyed about this episode, solely confined to Nuku because soon it will be no more and I wasn’t a fan of the Debbie drama or a cop bagging on how criminals lie all the time. But so many great things about Nuku:

    1. Sandra playing the Natalie A get revenge on a doofus game, made all the better by him having an idol and being convinced she was with him!

    2. Sugarghazi, especially the fun that Sandra and Varner had with it.

    3. Silhouetted shots of the chickens – they mystery of whether Monica lives continues!

    4. Aubry watch – appreciated her kind + intelligent comments about Michaela at the TC. It’s almost as if she’s too good for a reality TV show where people fight about eating sugar.

    5. Also loved that Aubry was all ‘nuka, nuku, whatever’ about one of the greatest tribes ever.

    6. JT accusing Michaela of being filler casting and then immediately getting voted out.

    7. Michaela’s mug.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Thank you for not calling it Sugargate.

      • pufflehuff

        Reserving the ‘gate’ suffix for when there is a controversy about a gate, perhaps when Brad’s decorative gate to their hut meets Debbie’s disapproval and #Gategate kicks off.

        • Kemper Boyd

          When there is a gate in a challenge and Debbie is THE BEST at opening gates but then they let Hali open the gate instead.

          • pufflehuff

            At least Debbie will be FIRST through the gate.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Also was Gategate not Brad Culpepper going crazy at a flight attendant over his hand luggage being to big to take on plane to Fiji?

          • pufflehuff

            Didn’t hear about this but I am all for the original Gategate returning Brad Culpepper to his cartoon villain self.

        • Mike Hirsch

          I mean, if we’re all going to agree to use “gate” as a suffix that means controversy, then Watergate would need to be Watergategate.

          • pufflehuff

            I guess you’re going to advocate something sensible like ‘WatergateWatergate’ next…throw the sensationalist headline makers and hashtaggers a bone.

          • purplerockandy

            That’ll be for the sequel.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Would it not be Sugharzi?

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Nuku can’t be the greatest tribe when they’re losing all the players that made them great.

      • pufflehuff

        greatest tribe for 1 episode! But I think Aubry, Sandra, Michaela + Varner is still a pretty solid tribe – I would happily just watch them next week if that were an option.

  • Black Dynamite

    Loved Aubry’s reaction to the peanut butter reveal. She may not be on screen as much as she should be but her facial reactions to everything has been on point this season. Aubry is the best.

    • Kemper Boyd

      You proposed to her yet, Denzel?

      • Black Dynamite

        I should get Immunity ring because she will be safe from ever getting voted out of my heart.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I will 100% take leave and come to your wedding.

    • pufflehuff

      Aubry really is the anti-Michele in a lot of ways: she can do a lot with a little. And watching the gifs of Aubry from the last few episodes would be better than any of the new-Mana confessionals.

    • purplerockandy

      WTF is an Aubry?

      • sharculese

        She made it to FTC but then somehow the season ended without a winner.

      • She’s the one with the winner’s edit.

  • Crappy

    Oh boy.. I was expecting this episode was a dud.. but for my money it was probably the best one of the season.

    – First things first, I am not a Sandra fan. Not a hater like some others but she does not possess certain traits I value in survivor players (such as long term strategy / Sarah Channon also covered it well in her RHAP blog on Sandra). I also believe she gets a lot of pass for bad things she does as a player just because of her wins (See last podcast by Andy and John), which some other winners don’t (Adam from last season being one example).
    But irrespective of all that, this was some elite level game play by her. May be it is just me overrating this move but I would put this with top tier moves in survivor history alongside likes of Cirie’s 3-2-1.
    First to have JT move his target from her to Michaela. Then to get him so comfortable that he DOES NOT EVEN TAKES HIS IDOL to tribal council let alone think to play it. To top it off with that hilarious but brilliant TC performance. I mean that cheeky supposed slip of tongue where she uses ‘him’ instead of her… BRAVO. That 1-2 with Michaela had me bouncing in my room. Mad respect to her for this play. Irrespective of when she is voted out now she has far surpassed how well she should have done as the sole 2 time winner in this season.

    – Second.. JT… I won’t take anything away from Sandra’a play but this was just so bad. RobC covered it well in KIA IMO but for a guy who is lauded for his social game he got played like a fool. It’s good for him that Aubry was fooled too but still he was the clear odd man out in that tribe and should have been much more careful. His legacy is done at this point.

    – Finally.. needs to be said .. Michaela and Sandra duo needs to be on every season of survivor. Have them just join every TC for entertainment factor.

    • corndogshuffle

      JT was on top of my list of players I most wanted to win, but damn if that wasn’t the best episode of the pre merge (or even the season) we are in for an amazing ride. Literally the only thing that would have made me enjoy it more is if JT had played his Idol.

      • Crappy

        I disagree to be honest, JT getting hosed made this episode for her. And that is coming from someone who is not a Sandra worshipper and who wanted JT to do better than Sandra this season.
        I would still happily have JT back every season because the potential for a train-wreck move(s) is so great.

        • Roswulf

          Yeah- “JT is the obvious boot, and gets the lion’s share of the votes, but plays an idol” is a much less interesting story than the downfall of JT, at least within this episode.

          Of course it is sad that we don’t have JT disrupting things in the future, but since the alternative was losing Michaela’s theatrics it’s a bearable price.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        JT’s one of my favorite players (I’m firmly in the “defensible move” camp when it comes to giving the idol to Russell), but he was such a huge disappointment this season. I was actively glad/relieved when the fifth vote was for him, even though the show totally telegraphed it.

        • Hornacek

          If JT knew what the viewers knew about Russel, then yes, giving him the idol like he did is the dumbest move in Survivor history.

          But seeing as how JT did not know anything about Russell’s Samoa game, it is a risky and gutsy move but I will continue to defend it. Based on the information he had, it was a risk but not “the dumbest move in Survivor history.” #ErikWasRobbed

        • Something Quirky

          Yeah, I was kind of like at least now he can’t do anything worse. Also can’t redeem himself, but I wasn’t expecting that to be a possibility at this stage.

    • Other Scott

      See I’m willing to give Aubry more slack because she didn’t really have a reason to suspect her tribemates would lie to her about where the vote was going. Like if there’s one beef you can take with Sandra’s play here it was not getting Aubry in with the plan as well. She’s probably not gonna rat to JT unless she wants to completely isolate herself from old Mana and now she probably feels even more on the outs than she already was.

      But yes JT had every reason to suspect they’d lie to him and try to trick him and as soon as you see the Michaela “woe is me” thing you have to play your idol, assuming you weren’t stupid enough to leave it at camp. Which reminds me, ALWAYS BRING YOUR IDOL

      • Kemper Boyd

        If you can get away with it never put your idol down. It could be found in your back by a woman who decides to wash your clothes or in the roof of your shelter by Peih-Gee.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Aubry also seemed to handle the blindside really well in the aftermath (“You guys! That was a good one!”) so hopefully she can do some damage control and still be able to work with Varner or Michaela if she happens to be swapped with them again. From what I’ve heard, the Sandra/Aubry relationship may be a lost cause.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I think they can both credibly say to Aubry that it wasn’t about her, it was about JT, and that they’re happy to work with her going forward. In fact, if I’m Varner I’m very gently probing Michaela to see just how tight she is with Sandra, just in case they go to tribal again.

      • Crappy

        Won’t penalize Sandra on Aubry part since it has been confirmed from multiple sources now that they simply don’t get along. In fact a good strategic decision on the 3 to keep this plan on a tight lid.

        If JT had learnt anything about Michaela during his time with her, he would know that she is not the one to go out of the game without a proper fight.

        At this point I am completely ready to do a re-take on his Tocantins game. It is looking increasingly like that he won due to a combo of having a very good strategic partner (Do I see JT coming up with a plan to blindside Tyson when they did? I don’t anymore.) and someone like Coach setting up the ‘warrior’ theme benefitting his game play.

      • Cinnamon Owl

        Is there any hypothetical circumstance where it makes sense to leave your idol behind while you go to TC? Like, a secret rule that sometimes you’ll come back and there’s $50,000 tucked in with the idol?

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          If you’ve buried it far from camp, retrieving it poses about the same amount of risk that scrambling for an idol right before TC does.

          • Hornacek

            Even if I was 99% sure my plan was going to succeed, I would be telling everyone “I have to poop” and go dig up my idol, no matter how far away I buried it.” so I could bring it to tribal.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      JT made me sad this episode 🙁 I didn’t have high hopes for him this season in general, but his performance was really an embarrassment and I think you’re right that he has tarnished his legacy. They probably shouldn’t have brought him back.
      I was loving Sandra and Michaela at TC, and though I do kind of understand Michaela’s trash talk on the way out, JT just seemed so sad that it wasn’t fun. If anything I’d say that’s the trend so far this season – everyone who has been voted out has been so sad about it, I almost feel like I’m watching the end of a Master Chef Junior episode :/

      • They should have held off for Survivor: Friends vs Enemies or whatever, when he could have played alongside Stephen again.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Master Chef Junior makes me feel soooo bad on the one hand, but on the other hand, damn kids should have cooked better if they wanted to stay in this.
        Also, this is the second time in his Survivor career that JT had a not-altogether pleasant relationship with sugar.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          I can’t handle little kids crying (although I have a feeling I’ll get over that in roughly…10 weeks) but I do appreciate that they are learning about competition and how to lose gracefully. My parents are sort of hippies and I was raised in a really non-competitive household – then, as soon as I got out into the real world, I had to learn pretty quickly that that’s not how things actually work :/

          • Mike Hirsch

            I’d give it a little longer than 10 weeks. When my boy cries, I almost always feel awful. There are times now, where finally it’s like “ok, you’re just being a brat,” but it’s so crushing at times. And still like, somehow, super-adorable?

      • Crappy

        JT should be sad. Instead of getting giddy with Sandra/Varner, he should have been probing them non stop to make sure that they were not playing him. Instead he tried to kick Michaela on her way out. Aubry was way more respectful even whist airing her grievance with Michaela. JT deserved to be humiliated just for the cheek of not even brining his idol with him. IIRC even Ozzy did the same at the merge Micronesia even when James was trying to warn him.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          I agree – I can’t help but think a more astute player would have been grilling everyone to try and figure out if he was being played. At the very least, bring the freaking idol to TC! Then maybe he could have seen that everything seemed a little ~too~ easy and played it just to be safe.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Despite the fact that pre-swap Mana/post-swap Nuku both comprises many of my all-time favorite Survivors and is a dumpster fire when it comes to immunity challenges (and is giving us a fairly invisible Aubry edit–for shame!), I am enjoying the pre-merge so far quite a bit.
    My concern is that this season is only going to be enjoyable in its first half, and that the final 8 or 9 will be made up of people I either care nothing about, or actively dislike.
    Like, right now, I’m like, “Maybe Tai actually can win!” And that’s turning into my best-case scenario for the endgame.

  • Head Architect Sylvia

    I’ve seen a lot of people predicting that the former castaway returning is going to be there to help build the shelter… I’m not trying to get anyone excited, but If that’s the case then could we potentially see award winning architect Sylvia Kwan make an appearance? She is credited as having single handedly put together the best shelter Survivor has ever seen. This is the perfect opportunity.

    • Mike Hirsch

      If not now, when???

      • Head Architect Sylvia

        Exactly!

    • Kemper Boyd

      All I can think is Josh WIgler’s Sylvia impression now.

      • Head Architect Sylvia

        I do not watch RHAP/anything RHAP related so I unfortunately have not seen this.

        • Kemper Boyd

          It on the audiobook the Evolution of Strategy and it’s great.

          • Head Architect Sylvia

            Ahh right, I have heard a lot about it but have never listened to it. I love audiobooks/podcasts so I might consider getting into it some time soon.

          • Hornacek

            It’s well worth the listen if you have 300 hours to spare.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I did! I was unemployed at the time and it was the Survivor off season.Perfect timing for a listen. In the end it took me like 18 months to complete it and I relisten to it when I have nothing new as I found it so enjoyable (only select chapters).

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            You probably should avoid part 1 of Survivor Historians’ coverage of Fiji. Or have your blood pressure medication handy.

          • sharculese

            A lot of EoTS is them coming up with running jokes and impressions. Josh’s Sylvia involves him ending everything she says with an over-emphasized upward inflection, as if she’s constantly asking a rhetorical question.

          • Head Architect Sylvia

            Ahaha this sounds amazing. Will have to buy it.

          • Hornacek

            The Borneo chapter is free so you can listen to that and decide if it’s something you would like before buying the other 29 chapters.

          • Head Architect Sylvia

            Ah, right. This is good to know, I will definitely download that one then. Thanks for telling me!

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I don’t know where that idea is coming from. I can see a returnee helping newbies build a shelter, but these guys have all played before. Most of them two or three times. This seems like a waste of an ask.

      • Head Architect Sylvia

        I was mainly just referencing the “Rupert is coming back to fish and build a shelter” comments which I know were mainly all jokes because he did that on Survivor Israel. I was basically just trying to make a Sylvia joke work somehow. I doubt many people truly believe a former castaway is returning for that reason.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          I think I worded that poorly, I wasn’t trying to criticize you for having that idea. But I have seen it genuinely expressed elsewhere, and I can’t understand how it tracks rationally.

          • None of the “returning former Survivor” guesses have tracked rationally, even bringing Boston Rob out to congratulate Ozzy for breaking his record or Monica for a loved ones challenge.

          • sharculese

            They’ve pointed out when someone set a new ‘most days played’ record before. Do you really think this show wouldn’t fly Boston Rob out for a bro-hug with Ozzy? Probst probably came spontaneously just at the thought of it.

          • I hope they wouldn’t. I know they did in HvV because they did it at the end of a TC for Parvati.

          • sharculese

            They did it twice in HvV. Amanda set a new record shortly before the merge and they announced it at the challenge where Sandra shamelessly shills for Outback Steakhouse, then Parvati broke Amanda’s record so they had to bring it up again.

          • Purplerockmatt

            there is an outside chance that could happen again if Ozzy goes home soon and Cirie gets to the end

          • I thought there was one other time, but I couldn’t remember.

          • Counter argument: They didn’t fly Parvati out when Rob broke her record in Redemption Island and Nicaragua is a much easier flight than Fiji.

          • sharculese

            Counter counter argument: Which do you think is more like – CBS taking the spotlight off BRob or CBS going out of their way to put the spotlight on BRob?

          • Good point. You have successfully countered my counter argument.

          • Super duper fan

            Another counter-argument: Which is more likely? Flying someone for a newbie season, or a returnee season?

          • Hornacek

            Would BR and Ozzy be bro-hugging? They’ve never played together. Are they friends IRL?

          • purplerockandy

            This is because there is no rational reason to bring in a former Survivor player. Yet, they’re doing it anyway, for some reason.

          • Do you think they could be facetious about the “returning former Survivor”?

          • purplerockandy

            Maybe? I’m not ruling out Mark the Chicken.

          • In a fried variation?

          • Super duper fan

            YOU MONSTER! I KNEW YOU WERE A WITCH!

          • It has been almost two years since KR…Mark is long dead by now.

          • Super duper fan

            NO! HE LIVES….IN OUR HEARTS!

          • Hornacek

            Jeff: “Oh, relax players. I’ve got a gut feeling Mark the Chicken’s around here somewhere.(starts to laugh) After all, isn’t there a little Mark the Chicken in all of us? (laughs harder) In fact, you might say we just ate Mark the Chicken and he’s in our stomachs right now! (laughs, then stops) Wait. Scratch that one.”

          • Thirty-five Sandcastles

            So. True. All of it. I can’t think of a single ex survivor I want to see nor a single thing I’d want to watch them do for a cameo appearance.

            Maybe CBS has some form of spinoff or product placement marketing opportunity? Is this going to be the Legends of Tomorrow arc on The Flash of Survivor?

          • Hornacek

            Now I want Mick Rory to narrate the “Previously on Survivor” segment.

            “Who writes this crap?!?”

    • Sylvisual

      It’s obviously Ken, who decided to stick around Fiji for a couple months and rediscover himself again.

      • That’s the dream…or to be more exact, my dream.

        • Super duper fan

          If he doesn’t talk, yes.

      • Hornacek

        Apparently

  • In the Guardian today:

    “Cyclone Debbie has continued to wreak havoc on Australia’s east coast with large areas of Queensland and northern New South Wales battered by torrential rain and heavy winds, causing widespread flooding, school closures and evacuation orders for thousands of people.”

    Christ Debbie, it was just a balance beam, and Australia had nothing to do with it anyway.

    • Head Architect Sylvia

      Can confirm Debbie is mighty and ferocious. She did most of her damage up north yesterday but I live in South East Queensland and the rain and wind was at its worst here today at around midday which was when I happened to be watching Survivor. Coincidence? I think not.

      Also fun fact – there were two cyclones active at the same time in Australia this week – Debbie being one and Caleb being the other. Two Kaoh Rong returnees on this season. I thought it was a strange coincidence.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        ….or there’s a Survivor fan working at the Bureau of Australian Cyclone Naming?

        • Next up: Cyclone Edgardo? Eliza?

          • Something Quirky

            “It’s a fucking cyclone!”

        • Head Architect Sylvia

          Aha that would be way cooler but the names are taken from one big list of preselected names which were chosen a while ago I believe. The naming is done in sequence in alphabetical order and Caleb and Debbie happened to be one after each other on the list. Next up is Ernie, unfortunately.

          • Sylvisual

            I eagerly await Cyclone Fairplay.

      • Something Quirky

        Fellow Australian!

        (The last one disappeared. Or disqus ate him, we’re not sure.)

        • In mysterious circumstances?

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Ha, a Survivor fan is in charge of naming cyclones! If the next one is named Earl, we’ll know for sure.

        Edit: /typing cat gif

    • Cinnamon Owl

      First she came for Hali, and I said nothing because I wasn’t Hali. Then she came for Australia…

  • Thirty-five Sandcastles

    I found it……alarming how quickly JT went to the “Michaela is ignorant ignorant ignorant” well.

    • corndogshuffle

      In my experience it’s often true that in southern vernacular “ignorant” means something different than the standard textbook definition. It’s frequently used as a substitute for “stupid”. I think it’s entirely possible (even likely) that JT wasn’t using ignorant the way many people are trying to say he did. I wouldn’t read any farther into his comment than to say “it’s stupid to use that much sugar for that much coffee”.

      • Sylvisual

        He can be a sexist moron without being a racist because he’s from Alabama.

        • sharculese

          They’ve got a wheel in the ditch, and two on the track.

      • Thirty-five Sandcastles

        That seems generous both from a history of the South and from the history of the show itself, but I can only say that I got a bad feeling from it, which probably speaks more to my own personal history than anything I saw on the show last night, so perhaps you’re correct

        • Roswulf

          I had the same reaction.

          I don’t thing JT was making an explicitly racist attack on Michaela, but it strikes me as highly naive to assume that JT’s reaction wasn’t influenced by race. Because, well, that’s pretty much how America works. That kind of little ugly bias and stereotyping that makes far too many of us read a black women drinking coffee weird as “ignorant” while a white man drinking coffee weird might read as “charmingly eccentric”.

          Of course, JT is the guy who said that you can’t trust women, so I may be giving him too much credit.

          • Optics-wise, it is certainly not a great look that on a six-person tribe, JT’s primary alliance was with the other straight white man, his secondary alliance appears to have been with the straight white woman, and his two targets for the vote were both a) women and b) not white.

            As always, there are loads of potential explanations for this that don’t involve sexism or racism. But it just doesn’t LOOK great.

          • Hornacek

            On Survivor, most alliances are mostly made up of white people.

    • Other Scott

      In general, I don’t like going to individual words other than the very obvious ones and making them into something racially charged. I’m not saying they can’t be, I just think that jumping to that conclusion does more harm then good. Especially since JT wasn’t the only one who Michaela apparently wasn’t really getting along with.

      • Roswulf

        I would suggest that ignoring racial dynamics is not a harmless act.

        • Other Scott

          There’s a large gulf between jumping to conclusions based on one turn of phrase and ignoring racial dynamics completely.

        • Figaro

          Question: is ‘ignorant’ a racially charged word in America? Genuinely
          asking because I am really failing to see how people are reading racism
          into JT’s statements, but it might be a cultural thing I’m not savvy to.
          EDIT: nevermind I see corndogshuffle already addressed this below 🙂

          • Hornacek

            “Ignorant” shouldn’t necessarily mean a negative intent. It just means that you don’t have all of the information.

  • Ethan Kyle

    Also Varner/Michaela/ Sandra is the best fuckingn alliance ever

    • Roswulf

      And unlike all the other “Best alliances ever” we’ve seen this season, seems to actually exist!

      • Bundi

        RIP Sandra/Tony/Aubrey/Malcolm alliance that lasted for 4 minutes, if even.

  • Bundi

    I’m not fully convinced she is going to win, but this is feeling eerily like Leicester City winning the premiere league in 2016. For those that do not follow soccer, they were widely expected to finish last. Instead, they kept winning and winning, beating teams that spent tens of millions more than them. Every week they won, I would say, “Yes, they are playing well and in first, but no way they can keep this going…” until they won.

    That’s where I am with Sandra. She’s playing a great game but no way she can keep this going. Right? She needs an ally, and while I love Michaela and their partnership, I think she is too damn smart to take Sandra to the end. I still feel like Michaela is laying low a little and not trying to show people she is a threat. I think Sandra and Varner are tight but not sure what he brings to the table, especially once the tribes merge.

    • Roswulf

      I think Varner is a great ally for Sandra. Independent strategic acumen, an ability to build relationships with outsiders, not someone who is going to go for big stupid moves, and someone weak enough in challenges that she has at least a shot at winning that key final immunity,

      The heart of my case is that Varner would be nuts to turn on Sandra if he can avoid it- she’s the perfect shield for him. He can plausibly beat her in challenges, and she’s MUCH scarier than him. He loses to her in front of the jury, but so does almost everyone else, and that just means you bounce her at four or five. Varner’s perfect final four is a widely disliked Michaela (which is disappointing- I love her- but seems to be happening), a second goat who can win challenges, and Sandra. And then you vote out Sandra and win.

    • Sandra has survived four pre-merge tribals, and is showing no signs of going home any time soon. A swap could very easily change that, but somehow, Sandra has gotten herself into what isn’t just a good place given her targetability, but a really great place for any Survivor player.

      • Other Scott

        Yeah this has been really impressive stuff. It’s like her first two seasons she was playing the game on easy level and has now just turned it up the difficulty and has raised her game to match.

      • the sky is falling

        I think her target gets bigger as the show progresses. She’s the last previous winner left, I think. It’s going to get harder to move the target off of her. The pre-game consensu sseemed to be that Tony and Sandra were the biggest threats.

        EDIT: But a few more moves like last night and she could sneak through. I just think her opposition gets more vocal about getting her out further in the show.

  • Something Quirky

    Although there were things I didn’t like about this episode (Debbie’s meltdown was uncomfortable, the shine is well and truly off both JT and Michaela, the challenges were boring), there were a few things we don’t usually see in Survivor, and that was good:
    – The strategising about who does what is something I would like to see more of
    – The flashback
    – Sandra staring straight into the camera

    Watching Hector watch Sandra play for the first time has been great. He’s basically gone through the stages of grief, and has now arrived at acceptance.

    He also had a question that I’m not sure of the answer to (saying instead that at the next immunity challenge they can volunteer to vote them out on the spot): Can medical be called in for psychological reasons?
    I’m trying to remember if medical was called in when Kathy (Micronesia) quit, but I can’t think of any other examples.

    The nature filming continues to be one of my favourite things about this show. I liked when it seemed like the two sharks scared each other, and also that underwater shot where it was just under the surface, but you couldn’t see above the water,

    • tocantins

      I agree; they clearly had to include the challenge strategising because of Debbie (and to a lesser degree because of Michaela as well), but I would indeed like it if they were to do it more often. (Not all the time, though.)

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Me too, but every one of those 43 minutes is precious in modern Survivor (look what’s happened to the opening credits), so the question is what to cut. I do think it’s crazy that they don’t show schoolyard picks.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          I wish they would put that stuff on CBS All Access. I’m sure the crazy superfans *gestures around at fellow PRPers* would at least watch it.

          • the sky is falling

            It’s about time we got a 2 hour behind the scenes special on how the game is put together. How awesome would it be to see the setup when they film confessionals, challenge builders, challenge testers, challenge brainstorming meetings

    • Maritimer

      I like seeing the strategizing but, as mentioned, its not worth it if it doesn’t lead to anything, given the limited time. Where it matters, I like seeing it. And by showing everyone, they did a good job not spoiling the challenge (though I did immediately assume it was Debbie, that’s probably just because I hate Debbie)
      Also, no on the Kathy thing. Unless Probst counts as psychological help

      • Hornacek

        On the Micronesia reunion RHAP episode Kathy goes into detail about how she went off her medication (Zoloft?) right before leaving to film the season and how she really was in no condition to be there.

    • sharculese

      Kathy was threatening to physically injure herself (I think with the machete) if they didn’t bring someone in to talk to her. So my guess is medical was probably there, but they didn’t want to show them for fear of complicating an already messy story even further.

      • Kemper Boyd

        She wasn’t threatening so much as saying “I am seriously considering chopping off my finger to go home” and production sensibly said “ok, this is where we need to get her help”.

  • VoicOff

    I gave the first part of the episode a rewatch and:
    Michaela is crazy fast at digging stuff, she is the Ozzy of digging. If she found a clue to an idol she could probably get the thing while the whole tribe is taking a piss in a nearby bush and they would be none the wiser.

    Debbie’s whole meltdown is just sad and unconfortable to watch. She becomes especially bitter towards Halie who was extra nice to her. She even congratulated her on her pathetic display of incompetence after she finally crossed the pole
    “Yeah! You finished it”
    I wonder if on some level Debbie isn’t bitter precisly because Halie tried to be gracious about it.
    And then the whole tribe gather around Debbie ferocly doing sit-ups. They really tried to pacify her.

    Debbie has issues. I am not sure it’s responsible for production to showcase her.
    She is a nuisance for her tribe, but she needs help.

    • Purplerockmatt

      i actually do think Hali being nice to her played a large part in Debbie’s reaction

    • tocantins

      I think that Debbie was bitter to Hali because she was the most comparably superior person at the challenge to her (in the tribe), as she also did the balancing. And I bet that in her mind she was screwed by Brad by being given the hardest balancing part (the cup instead of the bow). (At least that is the reason I assume she was complaining that the tribe didn’t let her do what she wanted.)

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I agree about Debbie’s meltdown. Even though I’m a huge reality/competition TV fan, I actually hate watching fights and that fight in particular felt like it had a twinge of mental issues that go beyond just regular “kooky” Debbie 🙁

    • Cinnamon Owl

      Debbie is unstable in a not-at-all-fun, “you’re supposed to screen for this and turn them down” way. Throwing her in the pressure cooker of Survivor just seems cold-blooded and gross on production’s part.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Michaela is alternatively the Reynold of digging.

      • Kemper Boyd

        This is the correct title. It’s about being really good at one specific thing, Ozzy is good at lots of things.

    • sharculese
      • Hornacek

        I miss seeing Adam Scott look at the camera.

  • Super duper fan

    It was a GREAT episode. My thoughts:

    -Everyone already coverded it, but man, Sandra was SO good. That’s really all that has to be said.

    -I loved the Debbie drama. So ridiculous.. BUT I will admit, I’m gonna tolerate it probably for only one episode. It’s kinda like Phillip in RI- entertaining the first few episodes, annoying in the rest. I know that I have her in my 5-person and 2-person league, but if the rest of my picks will remain, I can survive a Debbie boot.

    -Please let Troy be the second JT, PLEASE.

    -Speaking of JT, what was he thinking? While it sucks that he had to go, cause he’s still really entertaining, he absolutely had it coming.

    -The Queen (not princess, Debbie) of Crabs Hali, still survives, and I’m pretty sure she isn’t going anywhere.

    I just hope that the season will be as good as it is now, and it doesn’t let up.

    • Not sure Queen of Crabs is a title one really wants.

    • I was sad when Nuku lost immunity, until I realized it meant we got to spend 10 minutes + Tribal with Nuku. Everything on that beach is absolute gold. I had said that they aren’t as good as the Villains or Malakal, but in terms of sheer entertainment value, I think they might be the best returnee tribe in Survivor history.

  • tocantins

    This episode was simply awesome; one of the best in recent seasons. The whole season so far has been a blast.

    The only thing that is beginning to bother me that I didn’t see it being talked about here is the idols. We have seen 3.5 of them being found already, more than one per episode since the switch I feel like. Aren’t they exaggerating it? Last week the idol got rid of Malcolm, but at least it made the episode really fun. Today, we were lucky that JT forgot to play it, which also made for a really cool moment. But I just can’t help but feeling that they are pushing their luck with this one.

    Of course JT didn’t know what we know, but if he did, I can’t help but feel that he should just have a strategy of play idol-find idol-play idol-find idol, all the way until the merge/swap. If I were Tai, given how easy it was (at least apparently) to find HII two weeks in a row, I would just play them all the time and keep finding more.

    I concede that idols can generate Big Moves™, like playing 3 idols in a TC, and I guess I accept that recently that is mostly what Survivor has become. But I can’t help but feeling that they should be something more special, like a once-in-a-season occurrence (or at least not once each episode), and also way harder to find.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I have complex feelings on idols. I like them when played well (see Parvarti, Wentworth, Jeremy etc) but I do feel like there are often too many in a season. I kind of like the idea that there should be a single idol on each beach pre-merge and then maybe no more than 3 replaced during the post merge. I get they only ever seem to have 3 in the game but the fact that Tai could use on in the 4th episode then find another one straight away kind of sucks because it takes part of the strategic thinking away. You can use and idol and just find another you never have to consider the best time to use them, who is of value to use one on etc.

      • Hornacek

        When an idol is being found every episode, then it’s gotten out of control. We didn’t see any the first 2 episode, but it’s episode 5 and we’ve had 3 idols found and a clue to another one found. That’s 3-4 out of 5 episodes. I love idols but they need to reign it in.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Yeah, it’s about how often they are played I guess? like you don’t want too many uses of them in a season or it takes that strategy ruining thing too far. The idols are a great wrinkle in the game that people need to play around but they shouldn’t be ubiquitous.

          • the sky is falling

            Counterpoint: Idols are part of strategy

          • Kemper Boyd

            Too many makes it less interesting as it makes the use off them less strategic though.
            If you think it’s easy to get another easily you’ll be quicker to use the first.

          • the sky is falling

            Yeah, I guess, I say more idols the better. *shrug*

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Just throwing this out there: I would be interested in spoilers about what’s going on with the “returning Survivor” twist. I don’t want to look them up myself because I’m afraid of running into actual spoilers, but I’m always curious to have a chance to ponder a twist before it happens 🙂

    • Crappy

      i don’t have any spoilers but I am certain it will be Boston Rob. Only evidence I can think of to corroborate this speculation is that he did pose with all the tribe buffs with his daughters before the season started.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        If I had to guess, I’d say BR as well. He’s extremely popular with both CBS and with fans, and he would probably fit the definition of a “game changer.” But for the love of god he’d better just be there to judge a challenge or help build a shelter or something, NOT to actually join the game D:

        • Super duper fan

          Don’t worry, CBS isn’t that stupid….I hope.

          • CBS can be that stupid. For example, please see almost every season of Big Brother.

        • the sky is falling

          Maybe its some crazy mashup of Redemption Island/Exile Island/Outcasts.

          JT/Tony/Malcolm/Ciera all return to compete for a chance to re-enter the game…

        • Mike Hirsch

          I would actually love it if he joined the game, just as a big F You to this season as a whole. “Oh, you’re voting out fan favorites first? Get ready for more fan favorites!”

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Hahaha I love it! “You vote out Malcolm, you get Rob. Vote out Cirie, you’ll get freaking Rupert. You are bringing this on yourselves!”

          • Roswulf

            I would approve of this becoming a season-long version of “This is Your Life” starring Sandra.

      • The tribe buff picture is actually good proof. Did they have the green buff as well?

        • Crappy

          Yes and also yellow which is likely to be the merge buff now

      • Cinnamon Owl

        Him popping in to congratulate Ozzy is at least popular with some fans, and neutral in terms of the game. Which is better than most of the other theories.

      • purplerockandy

        Were those this season’s buffs, or his and Amber’s seasons?

        • sharculese

          I haven’t seen these pictures, but it should be easy to tell because neither of them has ever been on a season that used the electric green they have for Tavua. Mogo Mogo’s buffs were olive and Ogakor had like a green-yellow.

        • Crappy

          This season’s. Here you go – https://t.co/jrgRDXnJCd
          Looks like he has spoiled the merge buff too..

    • Wait. Wait. What? Why? No. No!

      Edit: I didn’t realize it was in the preview. I don’t think he’s actually joining the game, because that would be too much, even for all the random shit they appear to be trying this season.

    • Maritimer

      The CBS synopsis for the episode says that the returning player visits someone at exile. So its possible its a loved one for the exiled person i.e. Monica or someone who goes to help them survive i.e. Rupert (can you imagine? I would quit)

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    What happens to JT’s idol? Does it get re-hidden? Left in his stuff if he kept it with his stuff? Left in the ground if he buried it?

    • sharculese

      I was wondering about that. My guess is that a PA was radioed to grab it as soon as they saw the vote count, especially with a swap coming up. But it would be cool if they leave it there. Even better if JT destroyed the instructions and therefore nobody can confirm this is a real idol.

    • Super duper fan

      I guess it’s rehidden, cause no one has that tribe’s idol (i can be wrong).

    • Purplerockmatt

      I think the general policy is that idols that are used get rehidden, but idols that are not used do not. Though there is usually a merge idol anyway, so they will dig it up for that purpose

    • Roswulf

      I have to say, leaving it with his stuff could be really cool.

      And I only say that 75% because I want Sandra to have an idol. It’s 25% because I want Varner, Aubrey, or Michaela to have an idol.

  • sharculese

    So I went to look and apparently this episode was so impressive that even the AV Club commentariat is bowing down before the queen.

    • StormofCuteness

      Yeah, it was cool to see that last night, but they are so so so loath to admit it. *frowny face*

    • Kemper Boyd

      I am really looking forward to the podcast segment just flaming these idiots and their terrible takes. Also I want to know what the facebook page thinks but don’t want to get spoiled.

  • StormofCuteness

    So last night my fiance was not in a good mood and in an effort to cheer him up, I said, “But wasn’t it a great episode of Survivor?” as I kissed him good night.

    When he didn’t respond, I prodded further, and he gruffily stated, “I just don’t like Sandra.”

    Shocked (and horrified), I gasped, “But why?”

    “She’s so arrogant.”

    I seriously laid there for a half hour pondering if I should really marry him. *Mostly kidding*

    P.S. Oh, and he loves Ozzy. The irony!
    *You think you know someone*

    • purplerockandy

      It’s best that you learn this stuff beforehand.

      • StormofCuteness

        Agreed!

    • VoicOff

      Do you want to sit down in the couch every wednesday for the rest of your life with someone who don’t like Sandra ?

      • StormofCuteness

        I am hoping he comes around to be honest. 🙄

    • Kemper Boyd

      You need to have a conversation about why he thinks she is arrogant and whether it is in fact arrogance or a correct assessment of her abilities.Also make him unpack why he can like Ozzy but not Sandra.

      • VoicOff

        yeah, i don’t criticize people’s loved ones (fiances and families are a touchy, not-my-buisness-anyway kind of subject,) but i would consider that a small red flag.

        Like, everybody is entitled to their opinions about realtv contestants and Sandra is, in fact, arrogant. But i would question further to know if it could be a gender/age/race thing.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I don’t mean to criticise, you’re engaged to him so I take it as read he’s a decent bloke! I just think sometimes people say things like this and when they are, not neccesarily challenged, but asked to think a little deeper they can see where they got into problematic thinking.
          There is a solid chance it’s just Sandra’s way he doesn’t like because she is a very particular character but I do think there are a few people in the fandom (not really around here) who react negatively to any confident woman who is remotely opinionated.

          • VoicOff

            I am not the person who’s fiancee we are talking about, in fact i am a forever alone celibate

            So that person can take my advice with a grain of salt. I am married to my pillow, he will never say anything remotly problematic.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Shit I got confused! Basically yeah, no judgement we all have our own problematic stuff but it’s good for our loved ones to sometimes question us a bit deeper to make us think through them and maybe when you get a deeper explanation it’s not problematic, maybe it changes their thinking.
            Anyway, I’m sure @stormofcuteness:disqus fiancé is a decent bloke.

          • StormofCuteness

            Thank you for this advice/exchange, Kemper. I was mostly joking, but I have read him the comments and did discuss it in the way you mentioned.
            Caveats: He has never seen Sandra play before. He has seen Ozzy twice before being a challenge beast and good with um, surviving.

            So, yeah, he values physical prowess over strong social game even though he concedes that Ozzy has no chance of winning and he has noticed how arrogant he is. He does not value Sandra’s not getting a single vote with the biggest target on her back in the same way. 😢

            I suggested that sure seemed like a gender bias, and he is pondering it. This is truly the first time in almost 4 years where I’ve seen him have a gender bias so I’m really surprised by it, but he is, as you said, a decent bloke.

            He does love Cydney and Michaela as challenge beasts tho. So, yeah.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Yeah. Part of Sandra’s greatness this time is the 2 game build up!
            Glad you are an Aussie so you get that decent bloke is a strong compliment not a neutral!

          • StormofCuteness

            Haha, I’m not an Aussie, but I watch a lot of films from there so I understood.
            I live in Long Beach, CA.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Shit, I got you confused with somethingquirky, sorry, I’m a little drunk, been at my leaving drinks from my job!

          • StormofCuteness

            Drunk Kemper is delightfully confuzzled!

        • StormofCuteness

          Yep, if you see my comment below, you were definitely on to something.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      LOL My husband likes Phillip, so I feel your pain. We all make certain sacrifices in marriage 😉

      • StormofCuteness

        Thank you! I actually feel better now. Yay!

    • Hornacek

      So what you’re saying is that you’re back on the market?

      • StormofCuteness

        🤔
        I kid, but you did make me laugh out loud.

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      While my fiancee may not love Survivor the way that I do, the one thing I can hold on to is that she thinks Sandra is hilarious. But to be fair, she did watch Heroes v. Villains in full.

      • StormofCuteness

        Yeah, I think that’s the main problem. He’s never seen her before and so this whole Queen stays Queen thing may feel over the top to him.

      • And she had good takes on Naked Attraction.

  • Dutch

    The number of survivor catchphrases from this season is crazy! The Queen remains queen. Bye Felicia! So many others! On a completely unrelated note – Michaela pouring herself a drink into a coffee cup and drinking it as the notes were read was just stone cold awesomeness! Why oh why are the best in danger, and the worst always safe?

    • prettyboyprobst

      To be stuck on a small island with Debbie isn’t exactly my idea of “being safe”, but I hear ya. I think most of us here do.

      • Parvatis2Idols

        Debbie is a TRIPLE threat!!! Comp beast, strategic mastermind, and social dilettante…they all better watch out!

        • Hornacek

          Don’t forget her 8-pack!!!

          *

          * Thank God

  • Anthony DePaul

    Crazy 5 am theory on who returning Survivor is if in fact that players coming and stays in the game. Terry Dietz. He was forced to leave at this exact time in Cambodia. (5th person off) Survivor could see this as a continuation of a game cut short. He was also on the first Exile Island season. So even more symmetry since that’s apparently coming back next week.

    Why he could stay in the game? Big players have gone home so far, provides a shield for those seeking them. Challenge prowess to help in the several group challenges before the merge. And original Mana is down numbers and could be looking for another person to even things up. Just my sleep deprived brain talking because my 4 month old son is waking up every 2 hours. Thanks Kyle

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e411840b82469a0410028f2d0872acd20e85cb1474f31f074d986d0ed83ddeb0.jpg

    • Kemper Boyd

      Firstly you and @disqus_eZAEfHymmj:disqus need to have a cute baby-off. (@purplerockjohn:disqus if you want to join in?)
      Secondly, this is a good theory that makes sense, also Terry should be voted off immediately.

      • Anthony DePaul

        Thanks! He is fun 🙂 yes I think Terry or anyone returning to the game should be voted off immediately. Was just trying to think of strategic reasons not to. That person may also be immune for one tribal like I believe the Outcasts were in Pearl Islands. If this is happening than any player who would be likely to be kept around (aka. A goat) would be unlikely brought back by production.

        I don’t see a lot of upside to this twist process-wise even if the results were something we liked such as a Malcolm return or another beloved player stepping onto the beach.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      What a sweetie!! I will be having a son in a couple months – hopefully the cuteness makes up for the waking up every 2 hours… 🙂
      Also I love his little dinosaur jacket!

  • Hornacek

    I haven’t seen any previews besides the “Next time on Survivor” segment, but I find it hard to believe that the show is bringing another player to join the game now.

    When discussing the introduction of Redemption Island, Jeff mentioned the Outcasts twist from Pearl Islands and said the reason people (he meant viewers but probably also players) didn’t like it was because it was a surprise – you thought these players voted out were gone and didn’t know there was a chance they could come back. He said that RI would fix that in that everyone (players and viewers) knew going into that season that there was a chance that a player(s) voted out could re-enter the game. So there was no surprise (and he was right – RI was a big success, everyone loved it, and let us never speak about it again).

    So I really find it hard to believe that now the show is going to break that rule and bring a new player into the game on day 16 (?) when this would be a surprise to the viewers and players and go against what Jeff said about RI.

    Yes, it’s 10+ seasons later, and this season is called “Game Changers”, but I just don’t see Jeff making this big a change. My bet is that the “returning player” is just visiting.

    But if I’m wrong and the player re-enters the game and the current players immediately vote that person out (as they should, unless they have immunity at their next tribal like the Outcasts), that returning player should be PISSED at the show for bringing them out there just to be “the first boot” of their “adjusted season”.

    Plus, the numbers don’t work. There are 15 players left, and we’ve seen in the preview that one person goes to Exile Island, so it’s probably like Kaoh Rong where the tribes are split evenly (7 and 7) and whoever’s left goes to Exile. If they’re adding a new player then the total number is even and there’s no need to send someone to Exile.

    • The returning player is absolutely just visiting.

      • VoicOff

        It’s obvious he is just visiting.
        it would make absolutly ZERO sense to just get parachuted in two weeks after everybody, well fed and well rested, having had to survive zero TC and also having missed on all of the tribe dynamic beforehand.
        It would break the game itself. And contrary to the outcast twist (which was lame but it’s a dead horse at this point) that new guy, let’s call him Rob, has not been introduced to us the viewers (the one who matter) in the context of that season.

      • Hornacek

        Fingers crossed …