Survivor Game Changers Episode 6 Liveblog: “Vote Early, Vote Often”

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Matt has an irrational dislike for all contestants named Michel(l)e. Also if he ever takes a strong stance about why everyone else is wrong, it is he that is inevitably wrong.

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  • the sky is falling

    Based on the episode title, I predict Debbie is voted out but is saved by winning the Electoral College vote.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I predict it’s Debbie settling once and for all that she doesn’t actually understand the rules of Survivor.

      • Parvatis2Idols

        Debbie is a strategic mastermind remember I said this when she wins with a 10-0-0 jury vote

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Might not be OWBC, just sayin’

          https://i.redd.it/lwhwxqb5srpy.png

          I will say, it’d be weird that he doesn’t get many confessionals if he’s actually winning

          EDIT: this chart doesn’t mean anything. I’m joking around with it.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Watch out Tai, hanging out by the Mana well at night isn’t good for anyone’s game.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Nevermind! Fantasy Points!

  • Taako From Teevhii

    DEBBIE’S GOING TO EXILE

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I need the returning player to be Rupert now. I can’t explain it.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Also, dammit, Debbie’s immune.

      • Alycia Swift

        I get it.

  • Parvatis2Idols

    i desperately want FFGCSDT to leaveeeeeeee ughhhhhhhh

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Nuku gon win all the immunities. Bittersweet for Sandra since she’s in the minority.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    So Kim might not show up for real, but the Specter of Spradlin is definitely out on that island.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Also, So Kim was definitely never showing up.

  • Parvatis2Idols

    Time for a new Black Widow Brigade to tear these Mana men apart

    • Parvatis2Idols

      LOL Troy is so butthurt still from Kim’s mist

  • Parvatis2Idols

    Even I’m starting to get tired of the queen stays queen thing…

  • Parvatis2Idols

    Zeke stop it form an alliance with Sandra

  • Taako From Teevhii

    TAI TWO IDOLS IN ONE EPISODE DO IT

    • Taako From Teevhii

      AAAAAYOOOOO FANTASY POINTS WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Just wait until he James Clements it.

  • Parvatis2Idols

    WHAT ARE ANDREA’S JEANS LMAO

    • indescribable hat

      I’m guessing she cut them off so she could have shorts or wear the detached legs like a lunatic when it’s cold. I love it.

      • Parvatis2Idols

        she’s a fashion icon

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Wow, Exile’s actually pretty boss. I’m now mad that Debbie is immune and also comfortable. Hopefully there’s no other advantage besides food.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    COCHRAN!

    • the sky is falling

      How did we all miss that, fave nerd son of Probst

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Absolutely no clue, but I know he’ll be sea sick after about ten minutes on that ship.

      • Alycia Swift

        As I said above, he needed a ride and Probst told him to wait at the pickup stop.

  • Parvatis2Idols

    I’m on the Tribe of Debbie

  • Alycia Swift

    For the record, I don’t like the jotcast thing.

    • the sky is falling

      The ability to comment here undermines the livestream

      • Alycia Swift

        None of my comments were put on the livestream. I know that there is a monitor.

        • Purplerockmatt

          I was so busy looking at twitter, watching the episode, making my own comments and wading through others comments that I missed a lot of comments, it was by no means just you. I think that jotcast is just too much at once for me. With storify I just have to monitor twitter and do my own commenting and that is a lot more manageable.

          • Hornacek

            Someone needs some interns …

  • Taako From Teevhii

    So is there going to be a Voice coach every season now?

  • Taako From Teevhii

    This exile is overpowered and overdone, but I’m glad Debbie chose the advantage that hasn’t yet worked out for anyone.

  • Alycia Swift

    Ok that whole thing was weird. But I did like seeing Cochrane again. Much better than other expected options.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    With all this pre-IC screen time, I’m getting increasingly worried that Nuku is going to tribal.

    • Parvatis2Idols

      I hope all this foreshadowing means Zeke is wrong and Tai plays an idol on Sandra :$

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Only downside is that it very likely could be Zeke going home.

        • Parvatis2Idols

          I know!!! There are so many others that I would like to go home!

  • Parvatis2Idols

    I just don’t think I’ll be able to handle it if Sandra is replaced by DEBBIE

    • the sky is falling

      As a Tony, Malcolm fan I say, a www, poor you :p

      • Parvatis2Idols

        ¯_(ツ)_/¯

        • the sky is falling

          This season is determined to destroy fun

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Fun died around January of 2016.

          • the sky is falling

            Well, at least Survivor is on brand

          • Alycia Swift

            Yes, though I love coming here, overall I am not enjoying this season. I was smiling after every episode of last season.

          • the sky is falling

            Me too mostly

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Why the hell is Varner’s shirt tied around his waist?

    • Parvatis2Idols

      couture

  • Bundi

    So it is Sandra right??? (Please talk off ledge for second week in row)

    • the sky is falling

      JUMP!

      • Bundi

        I is dead. At least I can watch the rest of the season anxiety free

        • Alycia Swift

          I think my anxiety is switching to Aubry and Varner.

    • Alycia Swift

      I think its her.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I want to ask this about the challenge: usually the puzzle pieces are hidden/obscured from the challenge players until they actually reach the puzzle. So does the tribe that gets across the monkey bars first have an advantage in that they have more time to see the puzzle pieces and strategize? Would this challenge be improved by having them collect trunks full of puzzle pieces?

    • purplerockandy

      Maybe? But I fail to see the problem of giving the team that doing better at the challenge an advantage.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Maybe I didn’t word that correctly. But production typically does it that way such that the challenge hinges on the puzzle, and I’m wondering why they deviated. Also, just looking at the results, Nuku lost and Sandra went home, so like, how good could the challenge be?

        • purplerockandy

          Solid logic.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Jeffrey better announce that there’s an idol at tribal. Give Sandra some sort of edge, please.

  • jersey_luck

    You know every time we see a shark onscreen this season a fan favorite goes home. So I sorry that it sad Sandra will go home.

    • Alycia Swift

      Well we can say she was also screwed by the swap.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I wish he had said Sarah. Hopes dashed and dreams shattered

  • Parvatis2Idols

    OZZY GET OZZY

  • Parvatis2Idols

    What if Tai plays an idol on Sandra only to go home

  • Alycia Swift

    So close.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    *sigh* fantasy points. whatever.

  • the sky is falling

    LETS GO CIRIE!

  • Parvatis2Idols

    oh my god NOOOOOOOO

  • gouis

    Man I’m not sure about anyone else, but it got REAL dusty in here when Sandra’s torch went out.

    • the sky is falling

      Join the club, my apartment has been dusty every week

  • Parvatis2Idols

    First one to get an ovation???

  • the sky is falling

    Pawn to Queen 4, CHECKMATE!

  • Taako From Teevhii

    This better be one bomb-ass post-merge.

    • purplerockandy

      Ron Howard voice: It was not.

  • Alycia Swift

    Ok – that’s a first, Zeke taking over Jeff’s job.

    Now was that planned by the tribe to fool Sandra?

  • PurpleTally

    I was doing okay until her final words. TEARS. Pour one out for the Queen.

    • the sky is falling

      You can’t have honestly thought she had a chance. same with Tony, they were destined to fail

      • PurpleTally

        Of course not, but that doesn’t make it any easier to watch her go.

        • the sky is falling

          Sorry to be snarky, I was just all in on Tony, still upset he went out like that

          • PurpleTally

            No, I get it. I did a lot of gravedancing after Tony and Malcolm, so I deserve this. I knew it was coming. And she was on only one of my fantasy teams, so I’m not TOO devastated.

          • Same. Pour one out for all the slain favs.

      • Cinnamon Owl

        I thought maybe Tai could go nuts and idol out himself, idol out Sandra, only his Ozzy vote would count, and then he’d collect a few more idols on the way back to camp.

        I mean, I didn’t think it was likely. But I didn’t think what he actually did was likely either.

    • Alycia Swift

      I feel down. I would have loved to see her get around that.
      When Tai did not play anything, I was like – oh crap.

      I wonder what was not put in – since they were all whispering to change, what happened to send it back to Sandra.

      But if they bring her back a fourth time, will her danger decrease?

      • Figaro

        I think she stays at the same danger level next time she plays. No one’s ever gonna forget that she won twice and even despite being booted pre-merge here she displayed some incredible savvy gameplay. She’ll never not be a big threat, but I think it’s almost certain that she’ll play again, right? I hope so anyway.

  • gouis

    How’s that Tai winner edit Redmond?

  • Parvatis2Idols

    Honestly I hope they get Tai out next so he stops finding idols ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I now longer have a rooting interest. I’m in this now to satisfy my completionist tendencies and to get fantasy points. So, sadly, I have to root for Tai to find five more idols and for FFGC137SDT and Debbie to reach F5

      • Parvatis2Idols

        Stop I need him to go for my Pick 4 and I also would like FFGCLAHHRHSDT to go because I simply don’t like her. We find common ground in Debbie. Hopefully Tai gives her all his idols for her to play, then he gets voted out and she goes on an immunity run until days 34 and 35, uses her idols, and wins.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          *shudders*

          • Parvatis2Idols

            Lol can you imagine a world where Debbie wins

          • Taako From Teevhii

            *barfs*

          • the sky is falling

            Don’t get crazy. Hantz had a better shot to win than debbie

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I was going to say “Which one?” but both work here.

          • indescribable hat

            C’mon, Brandon had a real shot!

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Sounds like a Phillip K Dick novel.

          • Sounds like 2017.

    • tocantins

      I’m liking the season so far more than I expected, but man is that some BS. ONE Survivor contestant found 3 idols in the same number of days. That is just ridiculous, it is obscene; it honestly just bothers me beyond reason.

    • Crappy

      Survivor fucked up by by hiding 2 idols in similar fashion. Imagine if in Philippines Abi had not found Tandang idol, then Malcolm would have swooped that up too.

  • Anthony DePaul

    Looks like Ozzys on the outs next time

    • Alycia Swift

      Well they are getting closer to the merge so they are thinking about that.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Should’ve thought about it three days earlier.

        • Alycia Swift

          Ozzy instead of Sandra — I agree.

          • the sky is falling

            I don’t see Ozzy going far, it was the right move to get Sandra

          • Parvatis2Idols

            It’s never the right move to get Sandra

          • the sky is falling

            This season is on a warpath to destroy interesting characters

          • the sky is falling

            From a gameplay standpoint, it’s always the right move, Sandra is the most dangerous

          • Parvatis2Idols

            I disagree a bit TBH. Like I think she definitely needs to go (maybe merge boot?) before FTC, but she’s not going to win any individual immunities, nor is she going to make the target on her back any smaller. Although I would agree with her social game, you don’t want her to infiltrate the group too long…I think with that tribe she was screwed any way you slice, as much as I would’ve liked Ozzy to go home

          • the sky is falling

            Ok, but, the longer you let her go, the more dangerous she becomes, Ozzy is fat now, I wouldn’t be scared of him if I was playing. Sandra has Surcicor Magic. frankly, it’s miraculous she made it as far as she did.
            Queen stays queen.

          • Ozzy’s face when they lost that challenge was hilarious. It was like he actually couldn’t comprehend that this had happened to him.

          • Hornacek

            When I saw who was on that tribe I thought “Well, they don’t have anything to worry about, Ozzy’s on their tribe, they’re not going to lose a challenge.”

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Most of the other strong male challenge competitors have already been voted out though, which improves his chances of going on a run.

    • Cinnamon Owl

      That was a wild preview. The tribe that won this time and still doesn’t have Debbie is the one to fall apart?

  • Sylvisual

    The Queen stayed queen. Adios.

    • Parvatis2Idols

      Weeping

  • Kingoftonga

    So Cochran on Exile is going to be a recurring thing all season, right? Every episode a different Survivor could hug it out with him.

    • Alycia Swift

      That would be hilarious.

      • And Cochran betrays his last exile-mate by spilling all the gossip

  • Jeff: “Losing tribe gets Debbie.”

    Pretty sure if Mana lost Brad and Hali would have been mounting some sort of legal challenge based off double jeopardy rules.

    • (Also, has Sierra ever seemed so alive and present in the game as when there was a genuine risk that losing would mean a reunion with Debbie?)

  • PurpleTally

    If anyone needs me, I’ll be curled up in a ball, eating ice cream, drinking heavily, and rewatching Cochran’s snarky comments about Debbie on repeat.

    • sharculese

      Did I literally go from standing up, gasping, with my hands on my mouth to falling to my knees sobbing noooooo? Yes That happened.

      Which is a bit of an accomplishment when you have a broken foot.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Over the course of the last three weeks, the podcast has been on a real pendulum swing. I can’t wait to see how this week’s podcast turns out.

    • Hornacek

      Will’s pendulum strategy finally takes effect!

    • purplerockandy

      Keep your standards low.

  • Parvatis2Idols

    I liked Tai’s little Hali-esque thing where they should vote Ozzy out because he’s a comp threat pre-merge

  • jersey_luck

    On the one hand Tai’s double idol find not only keeps me in second place but also means I one of the only beating Random Luck. On the other hand we lost Sandra, Troy seems to be in a good spot, And we are left with the filler like Sarah, Hali, and Sierra to spent time with.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Pouring one out for Sandra. Long may the Queen reign.

    Other than that…hey, Aubry and Andrea *are* on this season! That was good to see! And thank god for Cochran! Obligatory Simpsons meme re: Debbie and Cochran

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e99cbdc3838ad2af1e77133a4a1a2def9ec035f14692418ddecbc2f507fc1459.gif

  • Side Character

    Damn fucking right they clapped for the Queen.

    • Figaro

      And Ozzy was actually the one who seemed to initiate it!

  • That was a majestic exit. Has a Survivor ever received a better edit in their boot episode? Normally we get at least some hint of a mistake make…this was an effing homage. Bow down.

    • jersey_luck

      That because there was no mistake. She was targeted because was the player out there and no one wanted to risk leaving her in the game.

      • That doesn’t stop the editors normally. I love it though – they (rightfully) couldn’t bring themselves to tarnish her legacy even slightly with even a manufactured misstep/ironic confessional.

    • PurpleTally

      Typically, an obvious boot episode is a downfall edit. Sandra got the red carpet royal treatment that a Queen deserves. I can’t find a single flaw in her exit. She is still queen.

    • Maritimer

      I honestly thought it wasn’t enough of a send-off and it wasn’t her. I’m glad they didn’t edit as a blindside though

    • Crappy

      Yes, despite the boot here, Survivor built Sandra’s character up again for the next outing. (Same with Malcolm). She is a lock for the next All-Stars season they do.

    • Streets_Ahead

      I was worried the whole episode and was worried she would get the ‘lol look at this dumby being blindsided’ edit but they even gave the shot of her saying she felt like she would be voted out at the beginning of tribal. She tried but the target was just too big this time.

  • the sky is falling

    The Malcolm boot was more shocking and upsetting to me.

    • I agree I was more shocked and upset that Malcolm left, especially in such shitty circumstances. This was far more expected, but still sad – both because the season has really lost something, and because I was loving seeing everything that Sandra could do, front and centre this time around.

      Malcolm we were probably going to get more Malcolm, and that was perfect anyway because I love him, but it doesn’t change that we largely knew what we were going to get. Sandra, on the other hand, was just escalating.

      In conclusion: both boots are a massive loss to the season, both are very sad, but for different reasons.

      • the sky is falling

        I agree, this season has just been such a disappointment. We are losing all the interesting players, like, it’s gotta be Varner or Aubrey next

      • pufflehuff

        Agree. I think I was more angry than sad with the Malcolm boot, because the twist was so unfair and ‘Most Game Changing Season Ever!’ irritating.

        It’s sort of like the difference between shock + suspense – the Malcolm boot had a huge impact because it came out of nowhere in many ways while the Sandra boot has a deeper sadness because her story was fleshed out, taking off, there was the dread that she might not be able to Final Girl this season.

      • indescribable hat

        I really wanted Sandra and Cirie to play together, and now I’m scared they became buddies on the pre-jury trip. Other than that I’m pretty happy with the Sandra we got.

  • She was too good for this world.

    • the sky is falling

      Overstating it a bit

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Tony is dumb.

        Sorry, I’m lashing out.

        • the sky is falling

          Haha, fair enough. I’m a weirdo tho, my fave players are
          1. Greg Buis
          2. Coach
          3 Phillip
          4 Russell
          5 gervase
          6 David wright
          7 Courtney Yates
          8 randy
          9 Shane
          10 Parvati

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Well, Courtney’s above Randy, so at least you got one thing right.

          • the sky is falling

            Oh, I forgot Tony, oops

          • How could you?!

          • Hornacek

            Be careful! You wanna get banned?

          • the sky is falling

            I guess my ideal season is Survivor: Crazytown. Lol

          • As an editor, I’m very distressed by the inconsistency of the numbering within this list. Please see me after class.

            (Points for shade for demoting Gervase and Randy to lower case though)

          • the sky is falling

            Haha, totally accidental

          • Wait…[opens The Inferno]…yep, 8 circles of Hell, the math checks out

          • PurpleTally

            Upvoted for having the courage to post that list.
            (Randy is my #6, so solidarity there, but otherwise…)

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I feel like I don’t even know you anymore

  • tocantins

    So, I usually don’t pay much attention to editing during the episode (I recollect when reflecting on it later), but even I felt that today they almost didn’t even have to bother with the immunity challenge. Is there anyone, even a new Survivor fan, that could possibly think that Nuku wasn’t losing that challenge? At the moment of the challenge, we had screen-time divided as 45% Debbie, 45% Nuku, and 10% rest.

    Anyway, with that complaint aside, what an awesome episode (again)! I’m actually not that sad that Sandra left. I mean, we all knew in our brains (if not in our hearts) that there was no way she was making it, and I feel this season for her was much better than we could possibly expect. Even her exit episode: she took a merciless swap and turned it in a way that she could feasibly not be going home. That was masterful, it was glorious. Truly the queen!

    And I actually feel weird saying the following, since I am one of the biggest Sandra fans ever, but I honestly think it is almost good that she left. While she was on the show, she was taking so much screen time (by being awesome, it is true), that it didn’t let other, newer, players shine. I hope that now we get to see more of Zeke (he was awesome this episode), Andrea, and Varner (now that he has the chance to be his own man). (Although he still is dangerously on the bottom.)

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Warning (which I’m sure you know): Everyone who has been shown as awesome thus far has gone home.

    • prettyboyprobst

      Agreed, the only question during the challenge was if someone would suck bad enough to take the target off Sandra.

      You’re doing a good job of finding a silver lining, but I’m still super bummed that we won’t at least get Sandra on the jury and at Ponderosa (although I realize that was asking quite a lot). With her, there are now four of the people I want to hear from are gone already, and I expect, disheartened as I am now, the freed up air time to be filled with a whole lot of people I don’t need to hear from, sprinkled with just a little bit of my remaining favourites Cirie, Michaela, Hali and Varner, for as long as they are able to last (and with 3 of four being original Manas, I don’t feel too good about how long that will be).

  • Hornacek

    Random thoughts:

    Debbie doesn’t draw a buff. Could Production have planned this to give the other players 3 days without Debbie?

    Three gay men on a tribe. is this a Survivor first?

    Of course Debbie would have had a pony. Personally I hate anyone that ever owned a pony.

    Debbie joining the losing tribe should ensure that no one throws the immunity challenge.

    “I’ve never had a connection with Sir-een.”

    Troy(zan) on a tribe with mostly women. He’s gotta be having flashbacks.

    Finding 2 idols within 16 minutes? Another first?

    Exile Island is Exile Ship? Maybe after it looked like Julia was going to shiver to death and get carried away by ants they decided to make Exile Island much more survivable.

    Cochran! Dalton Ross and Boston Rob April fooled me!!!

    Cochran is such a trooper. He drew the short straw here but he’s giving it his all.

    “Don’t you have any problems with anybody?” “No.” (presents her with advantage, she starts crying) “I’ve been miserable this whole time!”

    Hasn’t providing players with a fake idol kit been a suggestion on an RHAP Think Tank?

    If the show has to bring back a former player for a visit or as a reward, this is probably a good way to do it. A one-to-one visit is ok.

    “This is it. It will come down to the puzzle.” Like almost every challenge this season.

    What could possibly ruin this plan to vote out Sandra? Oh right, Tai’s on this tribe.

    Another tribal with multiple whispered conversations. I was sure Tai was going to join James in the voted-out-with-two-idols club.

    I know I’m in the minority, but I’m glad Sandra’s gone. I don’t know what it is, I just never liked her as a player. Just keeping it 100. I await your taunts and insults.

    • tocantins

      Troyzan is definitely having some nightmares on that tribe.

    • This is the first time that three gay men have been on the same tribe. I think the other times that multiple gay have been on the same tribe was on post-swap Raro (Brad and JP) and post-swap Hunahpu/ #Huyopa (Reed and Josh).

      • tocantins

        Well, you forgot Zeke’s last time.

        • Oh shit. Thank goodness I said “I think”.

          • That didn’t happen until the merge though, right? Or are we that low on seasons where two gay men both made it to the swap as well?

          • You are correct. Zeke was on post-swap Vanua and Bret was on Ikabula.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        This is the first time there have been three gay men on a season, no?

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      She didn’t own the pony! She used to work at a carnival where she was in charge of the pony rides. It’s where she met a former boyfriend who just so happened to be a former contestant. And the best part is that she got payed in free pony handling training, which led to her next job…

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Ya know, during her gap year, Debbie actually was a pony.

        • I really don’t need to know about Debbie’s fetish life.

        • jersey_luck

          That what she said.

      • Hornacek

        Who would have guessed that an immigrantDebbie would own a pony?

  • jersey_luck

    The major problem of this season is that is it losing all the exceptional people too quickly. Hell according to preview we may be losing Ozzy aka the best physical player. It troubling that even he is being targeted

    • Crappy

      He is starting to realize that pre-merge trend is not looking for him. When Andrea said all threats are going first, I hope he was alarmed. Don’t see him as a good enough player to wriggle out of this season. he is probably just hoping to make the merge to start an immunity run.

  • PurpleTally

    I spent so much of that episode losing my ish that I think I missed about 40% of it.

  • Due to a rather exhausting and frustrating day, I am not watching Survivor this evening, but I know thanks to my curiosity about the returning player. So, instead of giving thoughtful feedback, I would like to pose a couple of questions.
    1) Is Sandra’s legacy tarnished at all from this season? Sure, she did show that she can play a different style of gamplay, but she also showed a lot of her darker side and repeated the same catchphrase over and over again.
    2) Will this season’s legacy be the one with the production-caused drama? Between the already inordinate number of found idols and multiple twists, this season feels a bit more like Big Brother than Survivor to me.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I think instead of realizing that the inordinate number of twists partially ruined the season, production blamed it on how returnee seasons change gameplay (see: All Stars). Thus, no returnees at all in the next filming cycle.

      • Alycia Swift

        I think it is a combination of both.

    • Purplerockmatt

      I feel all this season did was convince the Sandra doubters that she was great

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Definitely reinforced by the fact that she was voted out because she was great.

    • PurpleTally

      The Queen stays Queen. I mean, you know how much I love Sandra, but she really did play her heart out this season, and you can’t say she could have done anything more to save herself. She’s just that good. If anything, it just proves how bad at the game Tai is.

      There is WAY too much production involvement this season. But, devil’s advocate, if they were doing it to influence the game, none of the boots so far would be out of the game.

    • jersey_luck

      1. No
      2. Yes, hell it will probably get everyone to stop talking about everyone that season where everyone starts with an idol. If I had to guess a back to basics like Vanuatu, Tocantins, or Kaoh Rong is coming up.

    • corndogshuffle

      I’m not as big a Sandra fan as most but I don’t think she did anything that should tarnish her legacy. If anything she made it at least a vote or two farther than she should have. Unfortunately, I *am* a huge JT fan and while I don’t normally think returning player seasons can hurt a player’s legacy, I can’t think of a good argument against JT tarnishing his own.

      • Something Quirky

        I just think of Tocantins JT as one person, and HvV and GC JT as another person.

    • the sky is falling

      a. No it doesn’t tarnish at all. Sandra was magical this season.
      b. You are forgetting how stupid the challenges are on big brother.

      • Oh no, I’m not. I just meant the drama, not challenges.

        • the sky is falling

          Ok, it’s just for me, the goofy challenges make big brother almost unwatchable to me

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I’d watch for the challenge before I watch it for the characters.

          • Hey now, there have been some good modern Big Brother characters like Johnny Mac, Paul, and Victor. Notice I have not said any women…

          • the sky is falling

            Johnny Mac!

          • Johnny Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James

          • the sky is falling

            I’d love to see Johnny Mac on survivor

          • Me too. Imagine those confessionals!

          • Parvatis2Idols

            Davonne would be amaaaaazing on Survivor I really like her! And Vanessa was really good on her season, and Elissa Slater on BB15…

          • You went one bridge too far with Elissa….15 had decent female characters and Elissa is not 1 of them. The only problem is that no one from 15 will be seen on CBS again, besides Elissa.

          • Parvatis2Idols

            I really think she was a good character, although I understand why she could be grating. But she was above and beyond Amanda or Aaryn, and she was pretty decent at comps (although Survivor ones are a different story lol). I would like to see Candice again too. I mean BB15 was the reason CBS started putting disclaimers on Big Brother about not supporting the houseguests views because of how racist Aaryn, Kaitlyn, and Ginamarie were being

          • I think Elissa is a prime example of how BB Production likes to protect favorites because some of those comps that she won are heavily shady. Also, she (like her sister) probably should not be on the island anyway for being potential quit risks.

          • Max_Jets

            I was writing my comment before your comment loaded, but agreed on those first two.

          • Parvatis2Idols

            I loved Elissa!!! And Amanda absolutely should never be brought back under any circumstances she was the worsttttt (and honestly neither should have Caleb but)

          • Max_Jets

            I thought Elissa was alright, but I almost feel like she was better in context than she would be on a different season. Amanda was fascinating to watch and was basically the reason I finished the season, but if they did bring her back they would need an extremely likable cast to balance out her negativity. I agree that it probably should not happen though. Helen and Andy are the two I would be most cool with seeing again.

          • Parvatis2Idols

            I can support that, and I would like seeing Helen, Elissa, and Candice back together again.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I think I’m one of only ten people who don’t like Victor.

          • I think I like Victor more as a partner to Paul than by himself kinda like how I like Dr. Will as a partner to Mike Boogie.

          • Maritimer

            I’m another one! But I liked Paulie til he turned out to be a massive misogynist then I liked Corey so I accept that my BB opinions are also trash

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Oh, would it be right if Davonne was on Survivor before Victor? The other way around? Should neither be anywhere near this show? (It’s the latter, right?)

          • I have heard rumors that both were in contention for this upcoming season.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I heard that too. I’d be severely disappointed.

          • Max_Jets

            I won’t defend Da’Vonne as a player, but I will absolutely defend her as a character. She is the perfect counter to my biggest problem with Big Brother and its contestants: their confessionals. I will have no problem if she is on Survivor next year. Vanessa is great too (but of course not in confessionals)

          • Besides James, BB17 is a really solid season because of the cast. BTW, did you know that Meg and Worlds Apart Mike are dating?

          • Hornacek

            Welcome to the Purple Rock Big Brother thread.

          • indescribable hat

            Ah yes, the classic BB confessional where you say something that isn’t witty with a cadence that implies that it is.

          • Super duper fan

            I’m curious, how many seasons of BB have you seen? I’m just starting to watch them for the first time (along with TAR) and I’ve seen 2-5 plus 18, and now i’m watching canada ones, cause I don’t wanna be spoiled for this current season way down in line (i’m still in the first season.

      • jersey_luck

        Yes the only time you can time you can not be looked at badly for saying: she better hold on to that wiener.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Not at all for Sandra. It was my seven-year reminder (as if I needed one) of how awesome she is.

      I’m going to hedge and say “we’ll see” on the second question, but it certainly seems likely.

      I haven’t felt this empty inside since Buffy stabbed Angel and sent him to a hell dimension like, SEVEN SECONDS after he got his soul back (#continuedbuffyreferences). Or possibly since that time on Everwood when Bright and Hannah broke up (#deeppullbutchrisprattso).

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Aww, Everwood.

        • Mike Hirsch

          Everwood was my “all the feels” show for a good while.

    • Parvatis2Idols

      I don’t think her legacy was tarnished at all. If anything, she’s solidified by not being the first, nor the second, but the SIXTH boot. Still the only player to win twice (and will be even after this season). I also don’t think her core gameplay changed that much beyond being more loud (too wtf) with her strategy, and dictating more of the action.

      And yeah there’s a reason Big Brother’s motto is “Expect the Unexpected” although I think Big Brother’s obviousness stems in part from the Live Feeds. It’s harder to tell with Survivor because it’s pretty airtight, and much more difficult to see production interference (beyond the idols etc. I mean like confessionals and that sort of thing). But I also like Big Brother (Canada) so who’s to say.

      • Except I have been hearing that BBCan 5 is not doing well.

        • Maritimer

          I’ve been a (very) casual BBCAN fan since it started. I vaguely remembered most “fan favourite” returnees but only liked maybe 2 of them, so I’m not surprised

          • Parvatis2Idols

            Yeah one of them got immunity until jury and she’s been on a rampage…BBCan 2 was pretty excellent, and BBCan generally has higher production value than BBUS tbqh. BBUS has virtually no strategy anymore, and it’s turned into lots of like milquetoast men just kind of sitting around forming alpha alliances BUT I digress because I like Survivor more now anyhow :~)

          • Maritimer

            My issue with BBCAN has always been that they throw around so many twists and it fucks with the game. I’m still pissed about Gary coming back (and more pissed about Emmett trusting him). And the weird DE in BBCAN3.
            I end up paying more attention to BBUS mostly because I have less TV commitments in the summer, even though every season is the same it feels like

          • Parvatis2Idols

            Casting for BBUS is soooooooo stale because the network/production limit the casting director (or whatever the title is) more than BBCAN. I get about the twists thing though.

          • Maritimer

            Casting for BBUS is incredibly stale. Same people every season. Its a problem. The fact they can’t even find Jay types is bizarre. Hot mactors who also have game capability shouldn’t be beyond reach.

    • Alkanarra

      I feel if/when Sandra comes back for a fourth time, people will be more scared of her because of *this* season than any of the others, and this is the only one she didn’t win. (Yet. Still holding out hope for that Outcast twist….)

    • 1. Tarnished? TARNISHED?!? I do not think that word means what you think it means.

      • Please note that that question was meant to generate conversation. Also remember who my favorite Survivor player of all time is.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Rodney?

        • Hornacek

          It’s one of Wentworth, Cierra or Abi-Maria, right? Witches gotta stick together.

    • These Words

      I thought Sandra was lucky and overrated before this season. Now I am annoyed when people add the qualifier “arguably” to best player ever. She’s the best.

      • indescribable hat

        I love that she came back as the only two time winner and was still able to bolster her legacy before she got got.

        • These Words

          How about the looks on Ozzy and them’s faces when Sandra was telling them what a threat Tai is.

          You could SEE them thinking “shit, she’s right. Wait! Don’t fall under her spell. Don’t fall under her spell.”

          • indescribable hat

            Go full Odyssey and plug your ears!

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Def not tarnished in my opinion. In fact I appreciate all the love she got from the editors and the other players – they never missed an opportunity to talk about how good she is at Survivor! I think really she didn’t need to come back a third time, but I wish she had at least waited for the mythical All Winners season so that her threat level could have been camouflaged a bit. But regardless of how she finished, it was great to see her as a power player. She really drove the first few episodes and made the show entertaining. I’m just hoping the rest of the players can step into that void now so that the rest of the season is at least watchable.

    • Alycia Swift

      1. No. She is still the only two-time winner. She has shown that she can run things. She lasted longer than expected and played from a team that were losing. People were afraid of her. She also got out the other winners.

      2. Absolutely.

  • Side Character

    While I still am sad that Sandra is no longer in the game, I take some solace in knowing that a 41 year-old woman who, in spite of her two wins, has never won an individual challenge in her entire Survivor career was voted out because she was considered the biggest threat. Long live the Queen.

    • Mike Hirsch

      She’s only 41? Damn I feel old.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        She was actually surprisingly young in Pearl Islands. I think she was only like 29 when she won!

      • VoicOff

        She doesn’t look her age, tho
        ABsolutly no grey hair and good skin.
        The Survivor genes

  • So the list of amazing alliances cruelly ripped away from us now includes:

    – Tony/Malcolm/Sandra/Aubry/(Caleb)
    – Malcolm/JT
    – Sandra/Varner/Michaela

    Meanwhile, the Brad Culpepper/FFGCSDT train goes steaming right along.

    Basically, what I think happened is, every time someone on the Survivor facebook page said Adam Klein only won because of the sympathy vote, another fan favourite went home. The season is doomed.

    • jersey_luck

      You forgot the new power trio of Sarah, Troy, and Brad.

      • Either you mean Sierra, or [SPOILERS]

        • jersey_luck

          I using Troy as the linking point between the two.

      • tocantins

        I am dead honest right now: I can totally see Sierra, Troy, and Brad being the power alliance in this season and going all the way to the end. (And then Brad wins or Survivor ends.)

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Brad did cry on the NToS.

          • Hornacek

            Wasn’t everyone crying in that?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Yeah, but they wete crying for Brad!

        • I can see that as well.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          At least that’s better than a Troyzan/Debbie final two D:

        • It sure felt like that was being foreshadowed in their scene, FOR SURE.

        • Diego Armando

          Christ. That was my one preseason scenario for how any of those three could win.

        • Alycia Swift

          In that situation, it might be Sierra that wins. It will be like Koa Rong. Brad will have done something to piss off others (the Aubry role). Troy will be in the Tai role.

      • Crappy

        It’s Brad, Sierra and Troy surely? I know we had that season with Sarah and Troy last episode but Sierra had a pre season alliance with Troy and she is defo Brad’s lackey so far. Very high chance that Brad and Troy had a pre game thing too.

    • the sky is falling

      This season will definitely not make top 10 status, whatever happens going forward. Only question now is if it makes it to bottom 10

      • jersey_luck

        Yeah that true, but it will have many funny moments. And that all I really want.

        • the sky is falling

          True, entertaining on its own, but we are just losing all the go to players too early

          • jersey_luck

            And that why I am enjoying while I can. Before the well goes dry.

      • Maritimer

        I think its premerge already keeps it out of bottom 10. The people left are boring but mostly not terrible

        • corndogshuffle

          I think there is still time… Worlds Apart arguably didn’t deserve to be bottom ten based on it’s pre merge. A strong pre merge matters, but not as much as a strong post merge.

          • Absolutely agree here. Besides the Nina boot and some awkward moments in the Lindsay boot, there is some great stuff in the pre-merge. But that post-merge is ugly and un-fun. Basically when Jenn wants to quit is when I want to quit the season.

          • PurpleTally

            Also, we’ll likely still have Cirie through the merge, and you know she’s good for some post-merge shenanigans.

          • forever1267

            If, we’re sure, she’s still on the show. We haven’t seen Cirie since, what, Day 3?

          • Crappy

            Cirie is my all time favourite player. But I just don’t see this group allowing her to last too long in merge. Premier episode now looks like a foreshadowing for her fate, where people listen to her but consider her a very big threat to work with. No wonder she wanted to some Nuku people gone pre-merge. Here is hoping for a Aubry-Michaela-Cirie alliance on nuMana. They can even pull in Troyzan for all I care!

          • corndogshuffle

            I recently did a re watch of the pre merge (I didn’t finish because I decided I wanted to watch chronologically) and it was really incredible how solid the pre merge was. Worlds Apart was never gonna be top shelf but it was generally a very solid season early on. It wasn’t even a “boot list” problem, there were good characters and players left after the merge. Hell, even Will was likable early on.

          • I think Will’s biggest problem was that he knew he was on the bottom with the young’uns, so he obviously flipped as soon as he could to the macho men.

          • Crappy

            Yes, WA is a bottom 7-5 season for me but its pre merge was very good. Jenn was a very entertaining narrator, Shirin’s and Max’s shenanigans very funny and Mike was not all over the edit yet. Combo of bad editing and certain group of players amplifying their bad behavior ruined that season. I mean you don’t need all 3 of Rodney, Will and Dan in that post merge. Max 2 if not one. All 3 lasted way too deep as well.

          • Maritimer

            No, but we saw the basis for the terribleness of what ended up being the dominant alliance. There are only two actively terrible people on this season and, god willing, they won’t run the show. Unfortunately, a not terrible winning alliance already keeps it out of the bottom, what, 6 or 7?

          • Who, in your opinion, are the actively terrible people?

          • Diego Armando

            Debbie and Troy I am guessing.

          • Maritimer

            Debbie and Troy. They’re the only two I root against out of dislike as opposed to apathy

          • Alycia Swift

            Dan and Rodney were asses pre-merge.

    • As of right now, it’s a chicken fight between Cambodia and Game Changers.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I always thought your critique of Cambodia was that it was gamebottingly boring. GC is soul-crushingly depressing.

        • But GC has had plenty of character moments…but a lot of my favorites lasted longer in Cambodia. You see how it’s a struggle.

    • Hornacek

      In Brad’s defense, I think he wins the most-improved-player award so far.

  • Quick fun fact: we are getting closer to CIRIE MOTHEREFFING FIELDS joining the “no tribal councils attended until the merge” club…..oh and Andrea too.

    EDIT: I haven’t watch tonight’s episode yet, so I got my tribes mixed up. But, still Cirie, right?

    • Purplerockmatt

      Uh Andrea is no longer in that club

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Andrea was there tonight

    • PurpleTally

      And to think I was worried about putting her on my fantasy team. <3

    • the sky is falling

      I’m still counting on “editor fake-out” with Cirie rising to the top in second half

    • Andrea went to tribal council this episode. Not that you’d have noticed.

      (Apparently there was a joke going round that the returning player was obviously Andrea, because we’d all heard she was on this season but she hadn’t showed up yet. I’m sad I didn’t make that joke.)

  • PurpleTally

    I think Cochran got more confessionals tonight than FFSDT, Sarah, Aubry, and Andrea have had all season.

    • jersey_luck

      To be honest they are at same amount of confessionals at this moment in time.

      • PurpleTally

        I mean, to be fair, I’d much rather hear confessionals from Cochran for the rest of the season than to hear from FFGCSDT and Sarah.

    • Did we not talk about Cochran on Monday? Also, with this and the weird rock draw vibes I got last season, am I proving my witchhood slowly but surely?

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Your witchhood wasn’t already proved?

      • PurpleTally

        We were just talking about Cochran. Though, to be fair, I’m pretty much always talking about Cochran.

        • But we were just randomly talking about Cochran at the end of our evening Micronesia viewing.

          • PurpleTally

            All I remember was you saying AND I QUOTE “Cochran has a somewhat decent body.”

          • That was a quote from our SoPa watch.

          • PurpleTally

            You still said it. 😀

          • I love Cochran, but that is madness.

          • PurpleTally

            You’re right. Cochran’s body is way better than “somewhat decent”

          • Since he was brought up again this week, I have to ask: have you guys *seen* Burton? I’m a straight man and even I’m like “Damn, that guy is hot.”

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Hairy guys are your thing, John. Burton, #CaucasianWoo… I’m sensing a pattern.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I’m a gay guy, and eh

          • I’d judge you for your tastes, but you did praise Survivor Goddess Kim Spradlin elsewhere, so we’re good.

          • sharculese

            Technically you’re an inter-dimensional space elf.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            A gay inter-dimensional space elf.

          • sharculese

            We don’t know the extent of Taako’s sexual preferences. What is Kravitz, even, anyway?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I’m not 100% on his backstory, if we ever got it, but I do know that Kravitz uses he/him/his pronouns, so that’s enough for me I guess. I also think that Justin has said that people can opt into Gay Taako Canon if they like, so I do.

          • sharculese

            I feel like TTAZZ 2 was pretty explicit that, if they haven’t contradicted it on the show, you’re free to assume it.

            Also, goddammit, Griffin, last time a vote broke my heart like this I spent a day wandering around the neighborhood just listening to TAZ. Why did you allow yourself to have a baby that would cause you to rob me of that, in this, my hour of need.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I know, one of my first thoughts after this vote was that I wouldn’t have TAZ to cheer me up this week. Drag Race better be kick ass.

          • sharculese

            It won’t it will be another boring-ass group challenge that’s hard to stand out in and the bottom two will be Kimora and…. Trinity. Let’s say Trinity.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Oh wait a second! I do have this to cheer me up.

            https://www.instagram.com/p/BSeRbOrgfGy/?hl=en

            This has consistently made me laugh since I’ve seen it.

          • sharculese

            That’s perfect.

            So, in my Rosebuddies binge I just got up to last December and I had to fully transcribe this quote from Griffin because it was amazing:

            You know what I was thinking about the other day, we just finished watching Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X and for the most part that whole construct was so shitty and gross and it was just like “well, Millennials they just don’t work and they’re always on their MacBooks.” Ummm, but guess what, oh, spoiler alert, if you want to watch it then don’t listen to this next part, a fucking millennial won it, so guess what gen X, eat my butt. Eat my whole butt and my butthole.

            I rewound to catch all of that and also because immediately afterward Griffin had to react to one of the girls comparing herself to Guy Fieri and I laughed so hard I almost caused a traffic accident.

          • Um…I actually have not.

          • Maritimer

            He’s hot, but not even tops on his season. That’s hands down RyanO

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Ryno was so cute in Pearl Islands but poor guy did not age as well as Burton.

          • Maritimer

            I haven’t seen pictures of either lately, but 🙁

          • Alycia Swift

            Eh! Ken is better.

          • We’re splitting hairs here. Sexy, sexy hairs.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I see your point with Burton, but I think you know how I feel about it.

          • It’s ok. We’re​ talking exceptions for both of us here, not our usual standards.

          • forever1267

            Here is my obligatory “Hottest. Survivor. Ever” comment.

          • Streets_Ahead

            Of course you mean with beard.

          • indescribable hat

            Ugh, straight guys and the hypermasculine muscly dudes they go for. Here’s my obligatory mention of Panama Aras in the hot guys thread.

          • PurpleTally

            See, I go for a guy like Cochran, because I know I have no shot with the Ozzys and Malcolms of the world. Cochran is obtainable hot. With that kind of endearing awkwardness.

          • In this scenario, I think Stephen is my Cochran.

          • PurpleTally

            Stephen is also 100% my type but just SLIGHTLY too old for me.

          • corndogshuffle

            TIL – my body is way better than “somewhat decent”.

          • Thank you, Barbara and Tally, for lowering the bar.

          • Sylvisual

            Hey, now we have an Emma replacement.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            So that sounds like everything is working out after all?

          • Purple Rock Emma

            🙁 🙁 🙁

          • PurpleTally

            Ooh. She’s going to be mad you lumped her in with me on Cochran. Lol.

          • She said he has decent abs!

          • PurpleTally

            I’m pretty sure that is the only somewhat positive thing she’s ever said about Cochran.

          • I said somewhat decent. They are not 8-pack abs.

          • Next to Cochran’s abs, mine look like Jeremy Collins’. And I don’t have great abs.

          • PurpleTally

            If y’all saw a picture of my ex, you’d realize my standards aren’t exactly high. I like ’em scrawny and nerdy. Glasses are a plus. Cochran checks off the basic requirements. Lol.

          • corndogshuffle

            My motto is “low expectations are easily met”. And I easily meet all expectations people have of me!

          • Please do not do this as you all know who my number 1 Survivor crush is
            https://57.media.tumblr.com/9c9404b6dbc76d7cc7f74e01c5902bb6/tumblr_nmagzhLMAK1qehu0oo1_400.gif

          • PurpleTally

            Colby may be a lot of things, but he ain’t no Cochran.

          • That’s right……he’s better.

          • PurpleTally

            Cochran will just be over here, consoling himself with a check for $1,000,000.

          • corndogshuffle

            Colby only knows one way how to not be Cochran, and that’s full tilt.

          • forever1267

            I’m sensing a new bracket tournament!!!

          • indescribable hat

            OMG please?

          • Streets_Ahead

            I <3 Colby. One of the all time best and most important survivors of all time.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Okay I’m the resident Cochran stan, but let’s calm down.

          • PurpleTally

            I’m just exaggerating to gross out Barbara. Don’t worry.

          • He has decent abs, but he’s way too pale for me.

      • Hornacek

        Cochran is like the Candyman.

        (stands in front of mirror) Cochran … Cochran … Cochran
        (lights go out, screams)

  • Violina23

    I thought Zeke was spot on this episode. He has great reads on the situation. Since so many great players are gone already, I hope he makes a good run for it.

    • Mike Hirsch

      He guilt-tripped Tai super-effectively. As it happened I was like, “Noooo Zeke!” because I thought Sandra managed to get herself out of the hot seat and he was putting her right back in it, which, dammit! But he played that beautifully. My hat would be off to him if it wasn’t already chucked on the floor 75 minutes ago in disappointment.

    • Crappy

      I could sense that all the time whilst being on the opposite tribe to Sandra, he was muttering to himself ..”How the fuck are these people blowing up chance after chance to boot her”.

  • Side Character

    If nothing else, it’s now easier for me to root for Cirie.

    • Parvatis2Idols

      I’m actually still rooting for Sandra

      • Let’s be real: this pre-merge trip is going to be a drunken brofest.

        • Let’s be real: only one of Sandra or Tony is coming out alive.

          • corndogshuffle

            I don’t think i have ever wanted to see pre merge Ponderosa footage more than I do right now. Watching that mess of Sandra, Malcolm, JT, Tony could be more entertaining than several seasons of Survivor.

          • Oh god yes. Do you think Malcolm and JT are even talking?

          • I think Malcolm and JT are talking at this point, but it could change with Sandra’s entrance.

          • corndogshuffle

            I’m sure they at least had a drunken “bro…” conversation. The type you have when you’re too drunk to function but it’s 3:45 AM and you’re mad at your friend about… something. Not sure how much they spoke outside of that, though.

          • PurpleTally

            I would pay money to watch it. Additional money on top of what I already pay for CBS All Access.

          • corndogshuffle

            I don’t know how much I’d pay just for that live feed, but it would be more than $1.

            There’s no way it wouldn’t be gold.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Boy, Sandra, Malcolm, JT, Tony, and Ciera. That’s one fourth of the way to an amazing cast or something.

          • corndogshuffle

            This might be the best reverse boot list of all time. The only real competitor is All-Stars. Somehow I don’t think this bodes well.

          • I don’t want to live in a world where Ciera is a Survivor winner. She can be in FTC, but she cannot win because I don’t want to watch Jeff’s wet dream live.

          • corndogshuffle

            But the end game has Tony, Malcolm, JT, and Sandra in the final six with Tony at FTC. Being a little liberal with my interpretation, I’ll say that any of the FTC contestants can win. We’d be talking about Tony’s second win, baby!

          • Fair enough. Tony beating out Malcolm could be exciting television.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            phrasing

        • Mike Hirsch

          With walking wounded Caleb and his Vlachos finger.

        • PurpleTally

          I’d rather watch Pre-Merge Ponderosa than regular Ponderosa with any combo of the remaining players.

          • Maritimer

            Tony, Malcolm, JT, Sandra, and Ciera (and Caleb) is the party I didn’t know I wanted to be at, but now I need to be at

      • Game Changa!

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    All I have to say about the fantasy leagues: Due to the loss of Sandra, tomorrow is gonna be a BIG day. The Assistant to the League Commissioner of the Palsy League better not call out sick.

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    So I wonder how Ponderosa will be for Sandra. She’s never been! She’ll be in over her head! These other folks have experience, but Sandra? She’s going to be like Piper in OITNB. And Debbie isn’t there to be her Crazy Eyes!

    • m0nit0rman

      Sandra will need a bitch.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        I hope it’s Tony.

      • Purplerockmatt

        Goddamn I love that movie

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    I’ll miss Sandra :'( I was really hoping that she would at least make the jury.
    But on the plus side, this will alleviate the stress I feel each episode over whether or not Sandra is going to get voted out. There is literally no one else I care about as much this season. Not that I’m complaining necessarily – I find everyone else (except Debbie and Troyzan) pleasantly enjoyable, so from here out I can just sit back and enjoy the ride without a strong rooting interest.

    • Mike Hirsch

      That’s certainly a silver lining for the remainder of the season. And even now I feel like Aubry and Andrea have a good shot at making the merge and jury, which, you know, cool. I’m a little worried about Varner, but not in a super-stressed way. More in a “that would really suck for him if he doesn’t get to the jury” way. Empathy? Is that what I feel?

      • Purplerockmatt

        There are a bunch of people I like and with a good season I can see myself loving, but there is only one person left who I love (and she has gotten very little airtime, poor Cirie)

        • Anthony DePaul

          Half the people left are people I was intrigued in at the least or big fan at the most, so hope remains, but still crushing to see Tony, Malcolm and Sandra go pre-merge.

          Those 7 are in no particular order:

          Cirie, Zeke, Andrea, Aubry, Varner, Michaela and Ozzy (don’t @me)

          Brad has also been intriguing and if Sarah Lacina gives more confessionals like she did analyzing Sandra’s survivor technique, she could get interesting too.

          • I will cosign that 7.

          • Anthony DePaul

            Thanks

          • Hornacek

            0.99254615164132203498006158933058

            (that’s the cosine of 7)

          • sharculese

            *ahem*

          • Hornacek

            You’re just mad you didn’t do it first.

          • sharculese

            If I had done it I wouldnt have done it in degrees because Im not a fucking pleb.

          • Hornacek

            Degrees or GTFO.

          • sharculese

            If out is a place they do math like a mathemetician Ill happily get there.

          • Hornacek

            I prefer mathemagicians.

          • Diego Armando

            Those are the seven best remaining players. Say what you will about Ozzy, but he is an unarguable Survivor legend.

          • Anthony DePaul

            Agreed, and he isn’t playing a bad game so far. Though if the preview to the next episode is to believed that might change. I could see him being pissed off at Tai. But Regardless an Andrea, Zeke, Cirie alliance is in play for post merge and imagine if they picked up Varner too. That would be fun as heck.

          • Hell, an Andrea/Zeke/Cirie alliance but then they also pick up Aubry and Hali as well is damn entertaining. In fact, am I the only one who gets some Alexis vibes off Hali (obviously not the whole SWF thing)?

          • Anthony DePaul

            It’s a win win if Zeke, Cirie and Andrea pick up Varner. Either get Aubry or Michaela. I think Hali sticks with FFSDT after all they’ve gone through. I could see Alexis and Hali comp. but that would also mean she’s voted out next week just before the merge

          • Forgot about Cagayan Alexis. I meant Micronesia Alexis.
            Also, I want Cirie to swoop in and get Michaela.

          • Maritimer

            That could almost make up for what we lost so far

        • indescribable hat

          I’m starting to get really paranoid that Cirie makes friends on the pre-jury trip https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C52-uoQWgAA2tYe.jpg

          • Max_Jets

            Some avoid these pictures because they can be spoiler-y, but in this case I wouldn’t worry too much as they were all brought on stage for the finale last season.

  • My last post for the evening I swear: I just realized that Emma is probably going to be out of Champions League.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Oh most definitely.

      • Purplerockmatt

        When Tai leads me to the promised land on the back of a million idols, I’ll hand the reins of Outcasts to you

    • Confirmed.

  • sharculese

    FUCK THIS WORLD

    • sharculese

      Nuku, you have Debbie now. That’s a fitting punishment for what you did.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Here’s a discussion question before I go offline for the night: If they ever got an All-Winner season off the ground, would this help Sandra advance further, or would she still go pre-merge?

    • I think she still goes pre-merge, but (in an underreported story) I think she has finally shown that she is not awful in challenges. She’s pretty good with puzzles, which could keep her around for a while in the pre-merge.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Part of the problem is that it’s all relative. How many winners are there that would return for all-winners and are worse than Sandra?

        • I know someone who is awful at the pre-merge challenges and desperate for another chance to show what she is worth
          http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/57550b3da1d580.77746803_r.gif

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Let me clarify that the third condition is “someone Probst et al. are willing to cast.” Thought that was implied.

          • They will need some female eye candy. They will HAVE to go to Michele. Production will cast her in the Ciera role this season to serve as protection for Sandra, thus making her the first boot.

          • Purplerockmatt

            They will never cast Michele again

          • corndogshuffle

            If they do a winner season I’m not sure they’ll have a choice.

            Not like I want to see her… I don’t think I like her more than anybody who comments on PRP. I would love to get five dominant female winners in a row just to avoid watching Michele again.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Be careful what you wish for. If SDT wins this season, I’m bringing up this comment.

            Also, which female winners are a go for all-winners? Sandra, Parvati, Sophie, Kim, Nat A seem for sure, Tina, Danni, and Denise seem like maybes. S40 might be too early, in fact.

          • I would bump up Tina because she seems game for anytime. I think Denise is a probable no because she seems to be fairly distant from the community.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            By the time S40 rolls around, Tina will be 60. Not that that’s going to stop her from getting on the season, but I’d be worried nonetheless. All-Winners has to be soon enough that Tina and Hatch can still play but also so let enough that Hatch can go abroad.

          • I think Hatch may be in the clear now. Also, I think Tina had probably her best physical showing in BvW when she was older, so she could be still good at 60.

          • Max_Jets

            I think of Denise as a pretty involved former player. She has her Facebook page “Denise Stapley Survivor Philippines” (or something like that) where she usually posts her Survivor thoughts weekly and interacts with the fans in the comments. She also recaps for RHAP every now and then. She might be too busy though.

          • corndogshuffle

            Fair point… but for some reason the idea of FFGCLAHSDT is not nearly as horrible to me as the idea of Michele. Maybe that’s because I actually had to sit through a Michele win and a Sierra win is only a hypothetical?

          • Alycia Swift

            Tina will play. Parvati may have moved on.

            Jenna Morasca might be ready. Not that I want to see her.

          • I would like to see a more mature Jenna play. It is very weird that we have not seen Jenna on Survivor since she was 23 at the absolute oldest. How does she play about getting her Master’s degree and taking care of Ethan for half a decade?

          • Diego Armando

            My thoughts are:

            Parvati
            Sandra
            Natalie A.
            Amber (won All Stars and could do a BvW think with Boston Rob (who would be the first person they call)).
            Tina
            Kim
            Danni
            Denise
            Jenna (Has a story arc: her last game was cut short and wants to prove she can win again)
            Vecepia (Better than Michele and Natalie W., plus checks off a demographic)

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I’d bet against BRob and Amber appearing on the same season because of their kids.

          • Diego Armando

            Probably, but the show would try to get them. Rob would be the first person they contact.

          • PurpleTally

            I can see Vecepia doing really well in an all-winner season. Her only downside might be a lack of pre-merge alliances, but her game is underrated, and they would underestimate her.

          • Max_Jets

            I read this list so many times because I was confident I missed Sophie’s name. EXPLAIN YOURSELF

          • Diego Armando

            Someone has to be cut. I think if Denise is unwilling, she gets her spot. Michele and Natalie W. are not here. Jenna has a story and Vecepia has a demographic spot. Sophie would be in my top 3 picks to win All-Winner’s season.

          • Max_Jets

            Amber over Sophie is the real shocker, though I think Sophie is more entertaining than most of them anyways. But now you have given her a high compliment, so I am satisfied.

          • indescribable hat

            Parvati/Jenna/Amber cool girls’ alliance?

          • indescribable hat

            That list makes me really happy. Of the unlikely candidates, Vecepia and Rat-alie are two I wouldn’t mind tossing into the mix.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Survivor Goddess Kim Spradlin is all the candy you need.

          • corndogshuffle

            I don’t think there is a single way in which Kim Spradlin is not perfect.

          • Truer words have never been spoken.

          • Alycia Swift

            But … eye candy … Kim Spradlin, Jenna Morasca, Danni Boatright, Ambuh, Natalie White, Natalie Anderson …

          • Let me reword this: young eye candy.

          • Alycia Swift

            These are all younger than me so they are young.

          • Not young in tv years.

          • PurpleTally

            Cochran isn’t enough eye candy for you?

          • He’s not coming back unless he is fired from Kevin Can Wait, which is an actual possibility if the rumor is to be believed.

          • sharculese

            That Kevin Can Wait is being canceled or that he’s being fired from it?

            Also, Jesus, Cochran, can you get hired by a non-terrible show?

          • The latter. Reportedly Kevin James has been going on a firing spree.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Because he’s not funny? Seems a bit harsh.

          • PurpleTally

            I mean, you take what you can get out in LA. Believe me, I tried. The closest I got was being offered a writer’s assistant job on Unforgettable–the day I decided to move back to Atlanta. But as long as he’s writing for CBS, there aren’t a ton of non-terrible options.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Yeah, there’s a reason I changed my mind about pursuing screenwriting.

          • jersey_luck

            It has been already renewed.

            Also to be fair CBS comedies Superior Donuts is decent. Not something you go out of your way to watch but if you watching not have anything to do at 9 on a Monday then that is something you can watch.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Social media has had him back in LA for quite some time so I’m pretty sure he quit.

          • Diego Armando

            Jenna Morasca and Natalie White are around if they need a bottom tier attractive winner.

          • It doesn’t show up, so I’m replying to you to let you know I downvoted that.

          • Wow, that hurts.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            What doesn’t show up, your down vote or whatever’s in Barbara’s gif?

          • My downvote.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            This was a Michele joke, but thank you for your sincere answer anyway.

          • PurpleTally

            Just wait until after this season, then you’ll have Michele AND Troy as possible contestants on Survivor: All Winners.

          • corndogshuffle

            Boo

          • Taako From Teevhii

            These are the “Imagine a President Trump” jokes we all made during the primaries, and somehow I still can’t stop making them. #TroyWhateverhislastnameis2017 #DownWithTheSurvivorEstablishment

          • GET. OUT.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            But what if Troyzan started treating women as equals and played well in a way the edit enjoys?

          • FOLLOW. HER. OUT.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Two very respected individuals indicated that they could be persuaded to root for Troyzan if he could just manage to meet those requirements. People. I. Respect.

          • Oh. Thought you were talking about me right up until that last part.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Don’t sell yourself short. You’re the co-host on an international podcast.

          • DrVanNostrand

            What if I started shitting diamonds?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Then you should probably introduce some fiber into your diet.

          • corndogshuffle

            So, does downvoting do anything besides make the downvoter feel better? I’ve always wondered, because it doesn’t seem to function in any way beyond that.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            If you have a bitcoin account downvotes give you money.

          • Something Quirky

            As in you get money for downvoting, or you get money for being downvoted?

          • sharculese

            Site admins can enable downvotes to be visible, but nobody does, because it’s a real douchey concept.

          • Nope. It doesn’t show up because if it did, people would use it to troll and be assholes.

            (Not here, of course. You’re all great.)

          • Hornacek

            In Chrome you can get the Disqus downvote extension so you can see downvotes (but not know who submitted them).

            I know, I know, “that would require effort.”

          • purplerockandy

            As someone who monitors almost every comment made her via the backend, I can tell you that the answer is either
            A) no one has ever gotten a downvote, or
            B) they do nothing.

          • Something Quirky

            They were visible on the AV Club for a while, so it shows how many people hate what you said? Beyond that, no idea.

          • DrVanNostrand

            It has the exact and opposite meaning of upvoting.

        • indescribable hat

          My hope would be that many winners worse than Sandra don’t realize it and just feel like they’re all in the same club or place more value on their own skills.

    • Mike Hirsch

      If it doesn’t happen for at least, like, six or seven seasons, it might not hurt her, otherwise I think she’s in trouble…that said, I thought she would definitely be going home earlier than she did this time around, so, yeah, I don’t know.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        S40 seems like a nice place to put All-Winners if it happens. I definitely agree that this season shows that she can outlast her sell-by date, though whether that makes her a bigger target or not, I don’t know. My hope in this hypothetical season is that she and Boston Rob (who I’m also fantasy casting for this) get swapped to the same tribe. I’m not terribly interested in BRob, but I think that’s a boon to Sandra’s game.

        • Purplerockmatt

          They were big allies on HvV until he went home

        • Mike Hirsch

          Ok, so they bring back Courtney Yates and she wins season 37 and *then* do an all-winners season and have Rob, Sandra, and Courtney on the same tribe and that would then be perfect.

          • Diego Armando

            Plus Tyson.

          • Mike Hirsch

            And if maybe Michaela could win this season, that would also be good.

    • corndogshuffle

      I think a winner season would really just depend for her. Weak answer, but I could see her going first because “challenges” or “Queen”, but I could also see her going all the way because people get tunnel vision and focus on more obviously threatening winners like Tony.

    • Maritimer

      I don’t know. I feel like people would see Parv or Kim or Natalie as more of a threat.
      Wait. A Natalie and Sandra alliance is now what I need. Damn it FFSDT

      • Something Quirky

        As someone who loves Kim and is relatively meh on Sandra, I think that Sandra would definitely be seen as more of a threat. Kim’s win could be put down to some luck/circumstances by people.

    • Diego Armando

      Now that she has lost, I think that would remove some pressure and help keep her around longer. There would also likely be bigger immediate threats to go after (Parvati, Rob, Cochran, Tony).

  • These Words

    I haven’t watched any of Cochran’s seasons but I’ve heard so much about him. And I liked him tonight. Which season of his should I start with?

    • PurpleTally

      I mean, SoPa is a hot mess, but you have to at least watch through his boot to appreciate his game in Caramoan.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      South Pacific, then Caramoan. General rule of thumb: don’t watch returnee seasons before original seasons.

      • These Words

        I did that with Parvati. I watched FvF, then Micronesia and then Cook Islands. Man was I disappointed in her on Cook Islands.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          That’s exactly why. The only player for whom I can see an argument for out of order viewing is Randy. Watch HvV, and then don’t watch Gabon.

        • Something Quirky

          I kind of did that with Penner. I became a Survivor fan after Cook Islands, so I watched it after his other two seasons.

      • Hornacek

        This is why I tell someone new to Survivor that while HvV is (one of) the best season, I would never tell them to start with that season. You miss out on too much backstory.

    • corndogshuffle

      I’d watch South Pacific first. It’s really interesting to compare Cochran from South Pacific to Cochran from Caramoan. And I think South Pacific is a better season anyway.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      South Pacific. Even SP Coach is better than no Coach.

      • Mike Hirsch

        And he’s *way* better than Shamar.

  • Alkanarra

    So I’m now thinking the Debbie blowup stuff was only in there because they needed to show how wise sage Cochran taught her the ways of “maybe don’t yell at your alliance mate.”

    Though man, was there anyone worse that could have gotten an advise session? How could Cochran teach one who is already the master?

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      As far as I’m concerned the entire Exile/Cochran thing was a complete bust. I blame Debbie.

      • Maritimer

        I spent that scene making food, because of a total lack of interest

    • tocantins

      Debbie blow-up was hugely entertaining. And although I’m weary of so much Debbie in such a short time, I can hardly think of anyone else that would have made this Cochran talk funnier than her. (Maybe Ozzy? Maybe Hali would be like, “Who is this guy and why should I care?” when he got there.)

      But both scenes were clearly edited in a way to make clear she is nothing but comic-relief at this point.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Ozzy getting advice from Cochran would have been PURE GOLD. Now I hate that it was Debbie even more >:[

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Would anyone else have been funnier than Ozzy? I don’t think so.

          • Troy?

          • Purplerockmatt

            It would have just been awkward silence for like an hour

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Well, after the whole “You’ve just got to have a little confidence in yourself, Ozzy. Don’t be afraid to go for it once in a while” comment? Yeah, probably. You know Cochran was prepared for that possibility.

          • Purplerockmatt

            And then they would have made out

          • sharculese

            Ozzy: so… how does winning feel?

            Cochran: Pretty rad.

            Ozzy: (to production) What are the rules on me giving him a noogie? No? Titty twister? How about just an indian burn?

          • PurpleTally

            Yeah, but also Sandra.
            Cochran: I’m here to give you advice, but… uh. Can I get your autograph?
            Sandra: (to production) Screw John. ‘Cause he’s an ass.

          • corndogshuffle

            I literally did a spit take at the idea of Cochran mentoring Ozzy.

          • Roswulf

            Maybe Sandra? We would have at least gotten a great confessional of Sandra being skeptical that Cochran had anything to teach her, and then just two likeable, smart, and funny people hanging out (AND ALSO MY WORLD WOULD NOT BE SHATTERED).

            The IDEA of Ozzy and Cochran is hilarious, but the reality of Ozzy is never quite as humorous.

        • free7694

          Ozzy would’ve thrown Cochran into the ocean.

      • Maritimer

        I did kind of laugh when he called himself an “impartial observer” despite having played with 2 people left (RIP Malcolm) on this season

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    So I think JT might have mildly spoiled Sandra’s boot in one of his exit interviews. I recall him saying something about how Sandra was motivated by revenge when she voted him out but she’ll get her comeuppance (or some such). At the time I wondered briefly if that meant Sandra would be out next but dismissed the idea, pretty much just out of wishful thinking. Sigh.

    • Well, her only tweet during the episode was “I would have rather went to Mana or Exile Island” which kinda spoils it herself.

    • Crappy

      Too many players spoil stuff in exit interviews, especially to ones who don’t moderate such content. Hence why I only read Wigler’s or listen to Rob’s interviews. For example, I found out after the season that Peter had spoiled Aubry getting not enough votes at the end in an exit interview. (No wonder so many were adamant on a Michele win).

  • I teared up at the end. WHAT.

  • These Words

    Do you think more players will be sent to the exile boat? I was wondering if maybe they’d bring back a couple different former players and offer the remaining two advantages (with the one Debbie has crossed out, so they know she has it. Probably not but that’d be funny.)

    • Oh, that’s actually an interesting prediction. But the next two players on that boat would definitely be Boston Rob and then Rupert, right?

      • These Words

        Definitely Boston Rob at least.

      • corndogshuffle

        And then the biggest surprise of all… Zoe Zanidakis is the captain of the boat and gets to give advice after Rob and Rupert!

        • Hornacek

          The captain will be Dr. Sean’s father.

          • corndogshuffle

            I thought about taking my joke that direction, but I thought the Zoe joke made about 3% more sense.

        • indescribable hat

          The only Survivor I’ve met in real life!

          • corndogshuffle

            Well that’s super random! How’d that happen?

          • indescribable hat

            I stayed at her hotel as a child. Weirdly there’s more to this story. I was a very well-trained child and didn’t behave badly in hotels or restaurants, and we’d stayed there a lot before with no problems, but this time the owner, ZZ, is there and she keeps popping up to scream at me for things like moving a plastic lawn chair or trying to open a door in the wrong direction. My mom eventually blew up at her and we never stayed there again. It was a trip to see her on Survivor as an adult when she’s kind of a legendary villain in family lore.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        I’m crossing my fingers that Drew Christie is free.

        • Trust me, he is.

          • Is he out of jail?

          • sharculese

            He’s from Florida. It’s a Schrodinger situation where he’s both in and out of jail until you go to the county clerk’s office to check.

          • MsFjordstone

            I would vote this up five more times if such a thing were possible.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Did he go to jail?

      • m0nit0rman

        Leif from One World! He’ll give you advice on sleeping in a box!

  • Violina23

    Sandra and Russell are going at it on Twitter. He’s as classy as ever, called her fat.

    • Between this and dissing JT, her exit press day will be fun!

    • Alycia Swift

      Pot meet Kettle.

    • sharculese

      You know who else called Sandra fat?

      (It was Sandra. Sandra called Sandra fat. Because the queen don’t care.)

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I know what I would do with $2 million (EAT! And then pay someone to tell me I’m not fat)

    • PurpleTally

      Don’t look too closely at the responses from other people. I think I glimpsed a boot list.

      • I have a weird feeling that there is an accurate bootlist floating now.

        • corndogshuffle

          What makes you think that? Can you say without giving something away?

          • There was someone on the Survivor Subreddit who out of the blue said “Sandra is the next one gone”, which makes me think that there is a bootlist.
            Also, remember that I may have been spoiled on the winner thanks to the Survivor Facebook.

          • corndogshuffle

            This seems to always happen with returning player seasons… I saw some (accurate) Cambodia spoilers before the season aired but I just flat out didn’t believe them. I might completely stop looking at r/survivor if that sort of stuff is happening. I’ve been less active recently, it wouldn’t be a problem to cut it out.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            If you don’t go digging, I find that r/Survivor is generally safe. I’m still subscribed and only interact with the sub through my feed. Haven’t been spoiled on anything thus far.

          • I just look at one of the new post and it popped up.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Oh, well then I’m wrong. I guess I don’t know about that because I avoid post-broadcast shenanigans. I’m usually here during that time.

            Also, HEY EVERYONE BARBARA WOULD RATHER SPEND TIME IN R/SURVIVOR THAN PRP AFTER THE EPISODE sorry, I had to do that

          • This was a couple days ago. Clearly I am here EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN’T WATCHED THE EPISODE.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Sorry for doing that, you’re a better person than most, or least better than me. I would blame your witchcraft for casting two Egg-On-Face spells on me tonight, but this one’s on me.

            Also, I’m not deleting that, proof of my assholeness gets to live in posterity.

          • The mods have been really trying to curtail it, but some just fly through. IIRC the Cambodia bootlist got a lot of steam after the Peih-Gee vote. Also, apparently (in Ken Voice) the Cambodia Ponderosa intro spoiled the KR jury.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            I first found the AV Club Survivor community after I got spoiled on the Caramoan final three in the Entertainment Weekly comments. I suppose it was worth it in the long run 🙂

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I stumbled across it during the first BvW. My mom’s best friend (my “second mom”) and I started watching it then because we knew she had liked it. I found out about this site through an AVClub regular named mratfink. I almost didn’t come over here, but it turns out he never posts on this site. This place is so great! Thanks to all, staff and commenters alike!

          • sharculese

            You… know mratfink has a different name here, right?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Like a different disqus account? Why would you need a different account for two different pop culture sites?

          • sharculese

            It’s Matt. mratfink is Matt.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I thought he posted on the AVClub as Sylvisual?

          • sharculese

            Sylvisual is Mark.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            If only there were a Simpson’s line about seeing double…

          • PurpleTally

            I am too new here to not be utterly confused by all of this.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            People often confuse Mark and Matt (who use their non-professional accounts at AVClub) and I’m often an asshole.

          • PurpleTally

            Ah. Okay. I mean, I changed my Twitter handle last week after my students decided to look me up on the internet, so I’m a little off kilter with usernames atm. Thanks.

          • sharculese

            One of the benefits of being a contractor is that I get to tell students to just call me by my first name.

          • PurpleTally

            They still would have found me on YouTube from the titles of my songs, but I wish I had a more generic last name, because I’m pretty Google unique. Ugh. The struggle. Wish I could just be Miss Tally without the headache of a name change.

          • sharculese

            What school do you work at? If you’re uncertain about saying that out loud, just give cryptic hints about the area and I can figure it out.

            Most of my students can’t search things well enough to find me, and the ones who can don’t care, because they see me as their fun study hall supervisor they get to go to twice a week who helps them with their homework if they need it and lets them get what they need done otherwise.

          • PurpleTally

            I’m student teaching at a newer school off of Ponce (APS).
            My 4th graders never would have thought to Google me, I don’t think, but I’ve known the chorus teacher there since I was in 4th grade, and she asked me to play my songs for the students. Since I wanted her to put in a good word with the principal, I agreed, after a lot of hesitation. And they all went home and looked me up to watch my videos on YouTube. Live and learn.

          • Did they ask you what Dorm Life was?

          • PurpleTally

            No. Unfortunately. That’s one of my cleaner songs, too. Instead, they asked me about United States of Tara.

          • Sylvisual

            I’d say you’re corrupting the children of Atlanta, but I’ve met several APS members.

          • PurpleTally

            I mean, these kids are already corrupted. Watching me sing a song about The Big Bang Theory isn’t doing them any more harm.

          • PurpleTally

            Plus, the bar for role models in APS is like, hella low since that whole “massive cheating scandal” thing. Puts me saying bad words on the internet when I was 20 into perspective.

          • sharculese

            Oh man, I never factored in the possibility that you teach elementary. That makes it harder. Anyway, I have enough clues, and I’ll figure out what school this is.

          • PurpleTally

            SPARK is the name of the school. 🙂

          • PurpleTally

            Haha. I guess all of my swearing about Survivor on the internet (plus my purple hair) doesn’t really scream out Elementary School Teacher. But, trust me, if you knew me IRL, it makes a lot more sense.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Also it annoys me that people confuse me and Mark so SNP makes sure to do it all the time. What a pal!

          • Diego Armando

            The most glorious moment was when I accidentally credited the wrong person as the author and then accidentally apologized to the wrong one for the mistake.

          • sharculese

            SNP is trolling me and I only just realized it.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Trolling seems harsh! Tell you what, if I’m ever in Atlanta I’ll buy you some beers!

          • sharculese

            It was gentle, friendly trolling!

          • Sylvisual

            Which means you’ll buy me and Matt beers right?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            You mean you and Mark, right? I think your phone is on autocorrect.

          • Sylvisual

            You got me. This is Andy.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I should have picked up on the accent.

          • Off-topic, but do you watch Life Below Zero?

          • sharculese

            Nah. I’m not a docu-reality fan and anyway, as much as I love Alaska, I am a delicate southern flower and would never be there between like April and September and even thinking about it makes me shudder.

          • Okay, this is going to sound weird but I thought I may have saw you comment on an AV Club post about Jane from Life Below Zero.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Wait, there are 2?

          • Hornacek

            I was always confused if it was “M Rat Fink” or “Mr At Fink”.

          • indescribable hat

            Matt? Matt Atfink?

          • Never underestimate SNP’s ability to troll PRP staff.

          • purplerockandy

            It’s a real gamechanger.

          • purplerockandy

            Mr. Atfink was a douche.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            That was the spelling, though!

          • VoicOff

            Meaning that the players are the sources, no ?

          • Purplerockmatt

            yes. Like Russell is basically known to have spoiled all of his seasons and I think both seasons with Brandon

          • corndogshuffle

            Has to be. I just hope it’s not players that I like.

          • Sylvisual

            Technically you may have been spoiled on a final 3. No one knows the winner. Silver lining!

        • Head Architect Sylvia

          I have not seen one, but I heard that there was an accurate (so far) boot list for pre-merge and final three, but no one knows the post-merge order. So hopefully we might see less “I have a hunch ___ is going” style posts after the merge occurs.

      • Violina23

        I had no desire to dig deep in the regard, but I appreciate the warning

        • PurpleTally

          I was just enjoying looking at people slamming Russell. And then NOPE.

      • Purplerockmatt

        Ugh doesn’t surprise me, but ugh

  • Maritimer

    My thoughts outside of the horrible sadness of losing Sandra
    1) I liked the way Jeff kept saying losing tribe gets Debbie like it was a punishment (it is)
    2) I would have gotten good and blitzed on the Exile Boat and showed up to tribal Fairplay drunk

    • Man, Julia really got the shit end of the stick. She had to stay by herself on the bad beach and couldn’t replace the other tribe until the following reward challenge.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        I wonder how Julia felt watching tonight’s episode.

      • Maritimer

        Yes. I have to assume they saw how horrid it was on her and the impact on her game and corrected for it. I was unclear on timelines, but did Debbie even spend a night on that boat?

      • Hornacek

        Wasn’t Julia shivering a lot on Exile? And there were a few shots of lots of ants there – I think we (probably mostly me) were joking that the show would come back from a commercial and there would just be a skeleton there where Julia had been sleeping.

    • sharculese

      If you’re not an active part of the tribal council technically it’s called Gabon jury drunk.

      • Maritimer

        Having obliterated most of my Gabon memory, I take it Randy and Corinne were smashed on jury? or at the finale?

        • sharculese

          According to Randy, the whole jury just kept showing up to tribal shitty drunk. To the point where production decided they had to lock the liquor cabinet a few hours before they left. So then they just started taking bottles and hiding them in their rooms the morning of.

          • Maritimer

            That is possibly the best story about Gabon. Not that its a high bar . Also, 100% something I would do

  • Anthony DePaul

    Even as an Ozzy fan, I know what’s coming next. Go home after tribal and blow up on Tai for putting his name out there. Allies don’t like it. Rally votes to get him out. Fin.

    Or it’s a “Next Time on Survivor” fake out.

  • PurpleTally

    Sandra 100% plays again if they ask her, though, yeah?
    Silver lining.

    • Purplerockmatt

      She loves playing. She accepted this time without even knowing what they were calling about

      • m0nit0rman

        Her carpets get cleaned daily.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          High five, Sandra!

    • pufflehuff

      Sandra and Cirie will both come back and still never be on the same tribe because obviously their forces are too powerful and the fabric holding CBS together would break or something.

    • Roswulf

      One of the comforting lies I tell myself is that this season transitions Sandra from being kind of an aberration in the lore of the game…to just being a top tier star.

      Now that perfection is gone, it’s easier for other players and the producers to treat her as a fantastic player with fantastic screen presence.

      Look, I know it’s weak, COMFORTING LIES!

  • Ethan Kyle

    I swear if one more person talks about anyone getting fucked by a swap after this i’m going to kill them, i’m legit infuriated about this

  • Ethan Kyle

    Fuck it ALL ABOUT THE TROYZAN WINNER TRAIN, ITS WHAT WE AND ALL THESE FUCKERS DESERVE

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      #SummerOfTroyzan

      • pufflehuff

        Isn’t it the #SpringofTroyzan? Which, thinking of Troyzan springing, is truly the darkest timeline.

        • Violina23

          #TroyzanSpring

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Yes but #SummerOfTroyzan sounds like the title of a child novel where children learn the sad realities about death.

      • Hornacek

        Troy(zan): (yelling at Brad) We had a pact!

  • Diego Armando

    fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

  • Diego Armando

    At least they gave her the standing ovation she deserved.

    • well……sitting

      • Diego Armando

        Close enough.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Ok, question: how much of the Exile Island experience does Debbie reveal to her tribemates? And how much do they believe?
    (And, wouldn’t it be awesome if she told them about the boat and dinner and Cochran and all the conversations they had and then someone else has to go to Exile and production switches it up and now Exile Island is basically that island from Borneo with the snakes that Sue and Rudy had to convincingly shove oars at to get the idol, and whoever goes thinks Debbie is legitimately insane?)

    • StormofCuteness

      I wafer between thinking she won’t tell, and she won’t be able to resist telling at least the Cochran part.

      • PurpleTally

        I mean, who could resist bragging about getting to hug Cochran? I would not be able to contain myself.

        • StormofCuteness

          Me either. I am completely with you on this. He is my #1 Survivor crush. I like my men smart, witty, and charming. Red-hair and blue eyes also does not hurt. Also, also, I am way too old for him and so this may be gross to even be saying, but thems the facts.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I miss being special.

          • StormofCuteness

            But…but…but—-one of us! One of us!

          • Purple Rock Emma

            No, no. You are all one of me.

      • I imagine that she’s going to start off by lying, and then the truth is gradually going to slip out bit by bit, but it’s Debbie so they’re all just going to think she’s crazy ‘oh SURE Exile was a luxurious yacht filled with food and Cochran came to hang out with you and give you advice and take you to prom and everything. Sure Debbie.’

    • Survivor Central

      Well for what it’s worth, next week’s episode is actually called “What Happened on Exile, Stays on Exile”

      • purplerockandy

        So she’s definitely going to tell them then.

        And no one will believe her.

        • Hornacek

          It was either on the EW.com or AVClub review but one commenter there suggested that Debbie will tell everyone the truth about her Exile experience but no one will believe her, and then the show will have another flashback showing Debbie sitting on a deserted beach all alone having her conversation with Cochran.

  • Ethan Kyle

    but in all seriousness this episode hurt, a lot please for the love of fuck don’t’ let Varner go next

    • PurpleTally

      Oh, God. I didn’t even think about that. No no no.

  • Anthony DePaul

    Love the conversations tonight. It’s a collective therapy session to get over losing Sandra

  • Head Architect Sylvia

    That was one bizarre episode. Bizarre in a terrible way. I don’t think there was a single scene that I thoroughly enjoyed… Not sure why they’d bring in a returning player to mentor someone when they have absolutely no idea what is going on in the game, but OK.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0909f64fb1983faa48f98a4baf705cd378f599289fa6fbf48cff856dec34d4a.jpg

    • purplerockandy

      Clubhouse leader for the podcast post header image.

  • Eric

    Doomsday Senario is happening, which means Varner will go next before the Jury, and then Cirie and then Ozzy (who is meh but a game changer) and I’ll have to root for Brad to win in the final 3

  • Roswulf

    I’m not going to have time to comb through the comments for a day or two, but I want to join what I presume is the chorus of EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE AND I HATE IT!

  • Ethan Kyle
    • Parvatis2Idols

      It’s funny because he literally spent a significant amount of time talking mad stuff about Sandra to another player but now wants to act like he doesn’t care. What a little troll

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I heart breaks.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Maybe he means “I ❤️ breaks,” as in when things have breaks in them, or work breaks. Or maybe “I ❤️ brakes,” like on a car or truck or some wheeled pieces of furniture like kitchen islands. Maybe he just really likes all that stuff.

        (Seriously though, how many wins does Russell have again? Shut up, little troll.)

    • Prom King

      Queen stays Queen on Twitter too.

    • Maritimer

      God I hope everyone is just tweeting her picture from the HvV finale at him (I’m scared to look, I hear there be spoilers in that thread)

      • indescribable hat

        Ooo, or how about him crying at the Samoa finale?

        • Diego Armando

          That was the best moment of the season.

    • indescribable hat

      I’m just so happy that everyone hates him now. Samoa and then bringing him back multiple times nearly drove me away from Survivor.

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      Actual Garbage Person.

    • VoicOff

      Pathetic

    • Hornacek

      Ugh.

  • PurpleTally

    So, I’m rewatching the Cochran stuff, because I <3 Cochran and I was distracted by his face and missed a lot of it. Let's talk about how Cochran, a man called a "challenge beast" in the season in which he played a perfect game, called getting from one boat to another boat "perilous."
    Also, I'm going to need a gif of him awkwardly trying to decide if he needed to hold out Debbie's chair for her.
    Oh, Cochran, you beautiful tropical fish.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Actually, I’m pretty sure I heard that he’s allergic to salt water.

      • PurpleTally

        Of course he is.
        Still my dream man. We can spend all of our time indoors together.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          THAT is the opinion of a woman I need to find! Ourdoors is NOT for me!

      • VoicOff

        Is that a thing?

    • sharculese

      Cochran was the one who called Cochran a challenge beast.

  • forever1267

    The Queen is Dead. Long Live The Queen!

  • Head Architect Sylvia

    What do people think of Tai finding two idols in this episode? I say kudos to him for finding them both, but I feel like someone should have definitely considered removing the one in the exact same spot from the other tribe’s camp before Tai arrived there. I mean, I guess that don’t typically do that, right? But still. That was literally the biggest freebie for him. Jeff’s pre-season talk about idols in cool new spots every time has definitely been a huge let down so far.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I agree on the idol question. It became too easy after a swap for a guy to get two. This is how Brad wins because of Tai’s idols.

      • Head Architect Sylvia

        Hmm yeah, having two is such a ridiculous advantage, a great player could control the game completely from here on out with them. Lets see what Tai decides to do. Could be interesting, I guess. Not taking away from Tai though, he’s really switched on when it comes to idol hunting. It’s the producers fault for making it too easy.

        Also, I am super critical of the idol location. So unchallenging – you can’t really get caught out there. There is no risk involved. Other players see you at the well and think nothing of it – it’s literally the main area people would visit outside of the camp but it’s also often completely deserted. You don’t need an excuse to go out there by yourself. If both idols were buried at the same spot right underneath the shelter of both camps similar to one of Kelly Wentworth’s idols in Cambodia, that could have been way more fun. Oh well!

        • Kemper Boyd

          My prediction is Tai plays at least one on another ally. Maybe both.

          • Head Architect Sylvia

            Hmm yeah, probably – he seems to be more focused on building alliances this time round. I’m still unsure if I want to see him go far – half the time I really love him and half the time I hate him.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I always say Nobody should be allowed a Tai in the game of Survivor, but now that so many of my faves are gone already, I kind of want him to stay for a while, create havoc and have this darned season go up in flames.

          • Head Architect Sylvia

            Ahaha that’d be fun. Classic Tai. He often makes me really angry, but at the end of the day I can tell that he’s good natured person, so I’d like to seem him do well and I don’t want to see him to get embarrassingly blindsided. I hope he doesn’t make FTC though.

        • the sky is falling

          Counterpoint, RE: Having two idols:
          James Clement would like a word.

        • prettyboyprobst

          It is an immense advantage for a good player who knows whatto do with them, but I think we heard Tai say how having found another one makes him even more paranoid, and I can totally see why.
          Having just one idol probably gives you some peace of mind, like a safety net, if all else fails this can always bail you out at the last second, but you also want to sit on it for as long as possible in case you can use it to turn the game around in your (group’s) favor.
          But having two idols is so much power, that I could totally see myself freaking out and overthinking when and how to use them. And then there is the fear of becoming another gravedigger James …

          • Hornacek

            I am confident that Tai will confide in someone that he has “an idol” and in a later conversation he will get confused and say “my idols”.

          • prettyboyprobst

            But will FFIIPLAHRTTWSDT be there to pick up on it?

          • Hornacek

            If it’s Debbie she will just continue to talk on about herself, drowning Tai out.

          • prettyboyprobst

            If it’s Brad he’ll help Tai understand that his game is much better served without those pesky idols and offer up himself to take on the huge burden of carrying them, so that Tai’s game can flourish.

            Choose your allies wisely, Tai. Clearly Debbie is the way to go.

          • Hornacek

            “I love Debbie. She’s just a crazy person.”

          • Head Architect Sylvia

            Ahah true, poor Tai already always seems to be under so much stress each week making certain decisions, and I think he was already pretty paranoid so this could make him self implode.

    • Maritimer

      Apparently “cool new spots” means “wherever Tai can conveniently get them” in Jeff-speak

      • Head Architect Sylvia

        Jeff: COOL NEW SPOTS
        Everyone: Wow, I can’t wait to see idols at exciting new places, like at tribal council. This will be great!
        Jeff: lol they’re all at camp

        All of these idols were probably intended for Ozzy, not Tai though. I’m sure Jeff is fuming.

    • prettyboyprobst

      That was literally the biggest freebie for him. Jeff’s pre-season talk about idols in cool new spots every time has definitely been a huge let down so far.

      Not to mention his pre-season talk about the new voting rules, which basically came down to: Everything in Survivor should come with a price. No more freebies!

  • Crappy

    Grr.. this season. If Aubry and Cirie are the next 2 boots, I would 100% stop watching this. (Cirie looks a shoe in to go early merge if not next week itself, this group will never allow her to reach the end game) Andrea pretty much gave it away in the TC that this season all the threats – read actual players who belong on a GC season (minus Caleb) – are going out first. Well whoppie dooooo.. Survivor and Jeff probst can wank over a finale night with Troy, FFGCAHSDT, Brad, Hali, Sarah, Debbie.. I for one won’t be tuning in.

    This is all on Survivor casting. Andy raised the question in the pre-season podcast that other than AS, in which other returnee season, all the big names went out early-ish. Well it has happened now. And this is the 4th full AS season only. 2 out of 4 is a bad strike rate. So casting need to learn from HvV and Cambodia. If you going to bring legends back, then go the full blow route with HvV. If you want to give some second tier people another go then it is better to have season full of them rather intermingle the 2 groups.

    • Crappy

      I caught one bit of possible foreshadowing about the end game during the challenge. Potential spoiler based on that read –
      When Brad and Sierra are rolling up the puzzle drum pieces then subtitled them saying One, Two… won’t be surprised that if they are the 1 and 2 this season. Brad’s is getting pretty much the best edit out of anyone so far. He will either be the shock merge boot or reach the FTC

    • Max_Jets

      Going off of that is why the hell do they care if there ends up being 3 female winners in the season? Sophie should not have been a last minute phone call to replace Natalie Anderson – she should have been in the cast instead of Sarah, Debbie or Hali in the first place, similarities to Aubry be damned.

      • Crappy

        Yeap. I a fine with 2-3 red shorts in a big all stars season like HvV but not so many. They did this season too soon anyway. Should have waited and gotten likes of Wentworth in. May be even Spardlin would have been open to do on 2 years down the line.

    • Hornacek

      Before this season the common opinion I kept hearing was that this season had “a lot of bro’s” and the bro’s were going to bro-down and have a bro-lliance all the way through the merge. So much for that.

      (I didn’t mean to say “bro” so many times, it just bro’d, I mean happened)

    • purplerockandy

      Way to steal a point I was gonna make tonight. Yeesh.

      Still making it though.

      • VoicOff

        It starts to look like you complain about that every week

        • Hornacek

          It’s a perfect way to create content for a podcast when you can’t think of anything. Steal from the comments and before the podcast say “I was thinking of this before they posted it” but still give them credit.

          • purplerockandy

            Way to steal a point I was gonna make in a reply.

          • Hornacek

            I was *just* about to say that!

        • purplerockandy

          Probably because I do.

          It’s almost like it’s impossible to have a completely unique point about Survivor if you wait a day to make it.

  • Crappy

    Worst episode of the season easily. Predictable boot, little to no air time from likes of Michaela, Cirie and Aubry, likes of Debbie and Tai getting advantages, loss of the best character of the season and I don’t even like Cochran enough to be that a silver lining.

    • If any further proof was needed that this was an episode low on entertaining material…at the time of writing this there is still no featured comment. Insufficient snark found.

      • Crappy

        It seriously was bad IMO. Extended scene of Debbie-Cochran did not help. Even the challenge lacked any drama whatsoever, one team led and finished their puzzle quickly.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Sandra is a classy lady. Ozzy that’s how you lose buddy.

    • pufflehuff

      I also really like that she still won, sort of, in that she got to take out the other threats to Two Time Winner crown, as you pointed out last week.

  • Kemper Boyd

    I’m now absolutely calling the Brad culpepper winner edit. He’s either winning or getting clipped at 4 as the danger.

    • Head Architect Sylvia

      Well, when we look at people that have a realistic shot of winning – so cutting out people like Andrea and Aubry (apologies to those still holding out hope), I would be happy with Brad winning. He’s my winner pick so I am biased, but hey, I like the guy and I think he’s playing well.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Agreed its how dull his win will be that bothers me in theory. FFATIPGCSDT, Tai and Debbie aren’t s crew I can get behind especially if you include Troy.

        • Head Architect Sylvia

          Hmm true, the rest of his alliance is either pretty dull or pretty unlikeable and I don’t think he’d be able to carry the show by himself. Now I share your concerns.

        • And that’s really the reason I’d root against Brad. It’s not that he’d be a terrible winner, it’s that his path to victory would probably be pretty awful to watch.

          • Kemper Boyd

            There needs to be obstacles. Jeremy’s win could have been boring if it weren’t for Wentworth and Spencer really. We need a Wentworth to throw spanners in the works.

          • Diego Armando

            What are you talking about? Troy, Sarah, FFGCIEDIDNVCIDLJIEJNGLIJFSDT, Debbie and Hali are fantastic TV.

        • Diego Armando

          That’s why at this point I am hoping for a Zeke, Varner, Cirie or Ozzy dark horse win. I do think Brad is the favorite though.

    • PurpleTally

      I’ve been saying it since episode one. Welcome aboard the Culpepper Train. He’s a neat dude.

      • Kemper Boyd

        The focus on him when his tribe was safe made it clearer. If he gets Troy then he has every idol on his side.

        • Mike Hirsch

          I am by no means an edgicer (cue edgicing), but if a man is winning this season, I feel like it has to be between Brad and Troy. If a woman is winning, it could still be anyone, because it always could be anyone, because the show doesn’t know how to deal with women.

          • Troy is not winning this season.

          • pufflehuff

            There are some nightmare scenarios here. I feel that anybody speculating about Troy winning or profiting from such a victory on their pick 4 team should have to spend the rest of next season with a ‘zan’ suffix. Watch out Mike Hirschzan.

          • I really don’t have the energy to get worked up over Troy when DEBBIE is still in the game. With an advantage. That she will definitely fuck up in some way that had better not result in someone else I like going home.

          • pufflehuff

            Controversial, but in a ‘This will Never Happen So Let’s Argue About It’ Scenario of a Debbie-Troy final 2, I *think* I would be rooting for Debbie at this point. At least Yoda Cochran is behind her.

          • I would, with regret, have no choice but to join Team Troy. At least there’d be a tiny chance that he’d actually got there on purpose.

          • pufflehuff

            It’s like you’ve got your Reyazan twitter handle already picked out.

          • Survivor: Reyazan is actually the title of season 37.

          • pufflehuff

            Using the latest VR technology, 20 survivors live INSIDE Reyazan’s head as imaginary sharks jump through multicolored scenes and people remember the moment when Troy winning managed the impossible and further ruined 2016.

          • On the plus side, in a GAME-CHANGING twist, Malcolm and Ken will be playing the entire game without shirts.

          • MsFjordstone

            You could fill out both of their entire teams with Troys, and I’d still watch this.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Given the specific rules of this season’s contests, it will be really hard to profit from a Troy victory for anyone (except for people who don’t have him on their team, come to think of it). 😉

          • DrVanNostrand

            He’s the linchpin of both of my fantasy teams. If I do well, you can call me DrVanNostzan.

          • Hornacek

            How about H.E. Pennypacker?

          • Mike Hirsch

            I sincerely hope not.

          • Hornacek

            Someone bookmark this comment!

          • VoicOff

            You don’t know that.
            (Kidding. But he may goat around for a while)

          • It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he makes FTC. I just can’t fathom five or more of these people voting for him.

          • VoicOff

            That’s my point as well.
            Goatish goat.

          • DrVanNostrand

            But could 5 people vote for his glorious dong?

            Probably not, but it would be good for my fantasy teams.

          • Kemper Boyd

            And the Queen really dominated.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Out of curiosity, I looked up the last 5 female winners. They are, in reverse order: Michele, Natalie A., Denise, Kim, Sophie.

            I would characterize Michele and Nat’s edits as more under the radar, although Nat stepped up with some BMs right at the end.
            It’s been a while since I watched South Pacific, but I would maybe characterize Sophie’s edit as a bizarro sidekick edit? Almost like they turned the Boston Rob/Nat Ten archetype on its head.
            Kim and Denise had massive edits and dominated their seasons’ story lines (rightfully so).

            With Sandra gone (~Taps plays softly in the background~) I don’t think there are any female contenders for the dominant female winner edit, but I could see how someone along the lines of Sierra or Hali or maybe even Sarah, who have been present but relatively low key, could step into the winner role. I fear that Andrea, Aubry and even Cirie have just been too completely absent from the edit to have much of a chance at a win at this point. I would hope that if Cirie were winning this season, she would have Boston Rob in Redemption Island levels of edit prominence.

            And just for the sake of contrast with those female winners (and to further support Mike Hirsch’s original point) the male winners during that same time frame were: Boston Rob, Cochran, Tyson, Tony, Mike, Jeremy and Adam (who all completely dominated the screen time and narratives of their entire seasons). Super interesting.

          • Super duper fan

            I think I would compare Sophie’s edit this season to Varner’s and Hali’s edit. While I wouldn’t call her the biggest character that season, she wasn’t really invincible either, in that the season kept reminding us that she’s there, and were giving her some strategic confessionals to try and explain her game, she had a really consistent. I don’t necessarily say that either of them got a winner’s edit, but I think what I said applies to both of them.

          • Mike Hirsch

            I came back into Survivor for post-merge SJDS, and Natalie had a pretty good edit there, but she was definitely a bit under the radar when I went back to watch the pre-merge.
            Now that we’re down to 2 tribes and Sandra is gone, the show hopefully will start spreading the edit love around a bit more. The problem is that the show will need to work extra hard to get me to start caring about a lot of these people at this point.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Agreed, although they do have the benefit of it being a returnee season with lots of beloved characters, so it probably won’t be too hard to get me invested in, say, Aubry, Andrea, Cirie, etc.
            Hali and FFSDT? Meh.
            Debbie and Troy? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

          • MsFjordstone

            Interesting that four of those seven male winners were returnees, while none of the female winners from that time period were. Has there ever been a female they cast repeatedly in a bid to let her win? I can’t think of one.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I mean, I feel like the edit has been kind enough to Varner (although the last episode didn’t help), but it’s really hard to see a logical path for him to the end, unless we get the gay takeover hinted at during the latest swap. So all in all I guess your edgic statement is correct, but could we please get that?

            Also, what’s with Ozzy? He got at least some focus consistently, so can he really be ruled out?

          • Mike Hirsch

            Ozzy has the most low-key Ozzy edit I’ve ever seen. I feel like if he won, we would be looking at like, a Super Ozzy edit, where he is constantly doing great things.

          • prettyboyprobst

            They probably would like to offer that to the viewers, but there’s still time for that and this is his first all-returnee season, so maybe they were just giving all the big pre-merge personalities the space they need up until now.

            And don’t forget the sting ray, RIP.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Yeah, there’s definitely time for him to emerge, and I guess I can’t rule him out. As I may have alluded to, I’m not really good at edgic.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Me neither, don’t get me wrong. Just thinking out loud of my fingers.

          • VoicOff

            Ozzy ain’t winning.
            First he doesn’t have a win in him
            Second, this would have been an epic one-man-season of Ozzy fishing the sharks to extinction if he had won.

      • VoicOff

        But we don’t want to see him win. And take, i don’t now, Troyzan and his dumb speedos to the end.
        We want actual fun people on screen.

    • pufflehuff

      He’s definitely a central character this season and there’s for sure a terrifyingly dull path to the end that sees him beating FFPLSDT, Tai, or Troy in some combo.

      But I don’t know about that…I think it’s still possible he’s due a fall in the early merge as a kingpin figure. I think the ‘Troy and I are both men’ alliance wasn’t a great look so I’m still hopeful that Cirie or Aubry might take them down.

      I’m still finding it hard to warm to him as a character, despite the editing. I concede that he’s playing a decent game and might have been treated a little unfairly in Blood vs. Water but he still gives me bad vibes, from letting Debbie do the balance beam (er, why does she need his permission?) to his ‘Monica and I decorate our own house’ (er, who else would decorate your house? your servants?) This is all to say that I’m happily misreading the story to sense his immanent fall…

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I buy this, as right now he seems like just about the only viable option edit-wise. Though, for the sake of entertainment I sort of hope that he gets blindsided pre-merge and they have to start all over again building a narrative for someone else. It would make for a really sloppy season, but it would probably be fun. Like imagine if all of a sudden the Andrea/Sarah alliance just started dominating. It would be totally WTF but I’m not sure I would mind 🙂

    • Hornacek

      Brad has already won the most-improved-player award.

      • Diego Armando

        Granted that was not hard.

        • Hornacek

          True, but hardly anyone saw that coming.

      • VoicOff

        Low bar

      • prettyboyprobst

        According to half the internet (read: all the people who are and always were wrong) that dubious honor goes to Sandra.

        For me, it’s probably Varner at this point. Brad isn’t bad, but I can’t say he is that much better compared to his first season to claim “most improved” honors.

        • Roswulf

          *Tentatively raises hand*

          Thus far, I’d give the title to Sandra. Bear in mind that before this season, Sandra was *probably* my favorite Survivor of all time.

          THAT’S HOW MUCH I LOVED SANDRA THIS SEASON!

          *cries*

          • prettyboyprobst

            If you want to say “Most improved screen presence per episode ratio”, I won’t fight you on it. Among many other things, I’m happy to crown Sandra as MISPPER. (Can we make this MISSPIPER somehow?) It was mostly a dig at the Dom an Colins of the world, who saw the light (meaning the appeal of her remarkable gameplay) for the first time.
            I’ll also give you that, out of necessity, there was even more force and direction in this still early stage of the game displayed by Sandra this time around, than what we’re accustomed to. While I liked watching all of that and her big two time winner target made it neccesary to deviate somewhat, I just don’t see this as an improved version of Sandra.

        • Hornacek

          Sandra won twice. She played hard this time. It’s not like no one expected her to do anything this season.

          Did anyone expect Brad to play a good social and strategical game this time?

          I would only say that Varner’s game is better than Cambodia in that he is more relaxed this time. But it’s not as big as Brad’s improvement.

    • Roswulf

      I don’t see any reason he couldn’t be the merge boot. His edit hasn’t said more than “he’s important and competent and Debbie hate him.” Still lots of open stories.

      Of course, many of the ones that don’t have Brad making it to the finale have DEBBIE making it there…

  • Prom King

    I’m pretty satisfied with all of the Sandra I got this season. Nice send-off!

    Sorry but that whole scene with Cochran and Debbie was pure cringe. Literally the worst thing I’ve seen on Survivor in years. Or at least since post-merge Scot & Jason.

    Still, despite that and Sandra going and another fave, Varner, being out of the loop and tricked by Zeke… enjoyable episode. I’ve been loving this season so far, especially the various scenes and confessionals of different characters being scared of Sandra. They should be!

    Now I’m pinning all my hopes on Cirie and to a lesser extent Aubry & Michaela. Perfect final three for me, at this point.

    But really it’s going to be a Brad/Sierra/someone else final 3, right? It just seems so logical based on the edit (also I am not an edgicer so what do I know, hopefully I’m totally off-base).

    • Max_Jets

      The Cochran thing is just such a bizarre idea for a returning players season. With Debbie it wasn’t as noticeably weird, but it would be ridiculous to see Cochran giving pointers to a lot of these people.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Cochran + Debbie = so cringey. They could only have topped that if they combined it with some awkward CBS cross-promotion, like forcing them to binge watch the first season of The Millers together (or whatever Cochran is working on now)

      • Prom King

        I love that!

    • prettyboyprobst

      I was seriously into Debbie Home Alone on the boat, living the good life, but as soon as it became clear that the returning player is Cochran, I picked up the phone and caught up on the live blog. About thirty seconds in I became aware that I’m missing out on some great unintentional cringe comedy, and was really torn what to do. So for most of the scene I had one eye on the screen and everytime I got too mad that they brought him out for this, or his sight and their talk became too repulsive for me to bear, I turned my attention back to the live blog.

      In retrospect however, I do agree with everyone who pointed out that it would have been fucking gold if Ozzy had been the one to go to Exile instead.

      • Prom King

        That would have been amazing! I’d pay (a small amount of) money to see that.

        As soon as Cochran started counseling Debbie, I immediately knew it was time for a drink. So much awkwardness demands alcohol to make it easier going down.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Worst in years? I feel like World’s Apart was pretty recent.

      • Prom King

        Worst in years with the exception of post-merge Scot & Jason. If I could remove the memory of their parts in Worlds Apart (if only) then the last time I cringed as much was probably Probst drooling over DAUGHTER VOTES OUT MOM BIG MOVE in BvW.

  • pufflehuff

    So while in many ways this might be the episode where the darkest timeline was activated (Sandra goes, the sentence ‘the tribe of Debbie’ is uttered, Troy + Brad man-bond, with FFSDT probably only too happy to go with another Awful Alliance to the end, who knows what she thinks when Brad can narrate her position for her)…breathe…as I said earlier, I’m committed to silver linings this season (and in general, tbh) so here are some things I loved about this episode:

    1. Sandra’s classy exit. If she had to go, at least it was with applause, a lingering gaze with Probst, and the ‘Tai is a fool’ line.

    2. Zeke as the architect of Sandra’s downfall. If she had to go and it wasn’t via Cirie, at least Zeke got to narrate this move as he a) adequately respects her game and b) referred to her as ‘Sandra Diaz-Twine.’

    3. Tai feeling nervous of Ozzy and Sandra as masterminds…erm, Ozzy!?!?

    4. Tai shouting ‘Chicken’ like an unfeeling monster. Her name is Monica!

    5. Aubry Watch: Aubry has a story with substance! Best timeline is her ‘I should learn from Sandra’s game’ confessional on the episode where Sandra is voted out means that Aubry will take on Sandra’s game-play and slay some of the fools on her tribe (well, two of them.)

    6. Cochran confessionals! While I didn’t love this segment or idea (give us more Cirie time!) at least we got to hear Cochran be entertaining + plan to burn his shirt immediately. And his brief addition to this cast might make this the most stacked seasons of amazing narrators ever.

    7. ‘Three Gay Guys’ on the same tribe and it’s no big deal.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I LOLed at Tai saying he wasn’t as smart as Ozzy.

      Although……………..

      • pufflehuff

        Yeah, really not Tai’s strategic finest hour – Mark the Chicken could probably have played that TC better.

    • Cinnamon Owl

      If Sandra had to go, at least it was from a position of deep respect. No one claimed that she didn’t know how to play Survivor.

      I was touched that Ozzy et al, while planning to vote her out, immediately decided that she was right about the Tai-Debbie-Aubry threat.

    • prettyboyprobst

      Not a Cochran fan, but I do endorse 1-5, 7, parts of 6 and the preface of this comment.

      • pufflehuff

        ha, thanks – yeah the Cochran segment was not really the show’s finest hour, even if you do like him.

  • PurpleTally
    • Pretty on-brand for Survivor to fuck up their own show’s history, though.

    • PurpleTally

      Maybe it’s a hint from the editors. AO -> Australian Outback -> Jeff Varner = Winner.
      #IlluminatiConfirmed

      • I think they have started referring to AO as just Australia. Only insane fans would refer to it as AO still.

        • indescribable hat

          Or those anxious not to confuse it with Australian Survivor.

          • Well, this is a clear difference because AO is Survivor: Australia and Australian Survivor is just called Australian Survivor.

    • pufflehuff

      I’m surprised they didn’t just title him as ‘Cochran: Game Changer’ as he certainly dropped their branding enough in his 5 minutes (I can only hope that each time he said ‘game changing’ a layer of invisible irony was sheathed around it.)

      • Maritimer

        I can only hope they were paying him by reference

    • Hornacek

      I’m surprised it didn’t say:

      COCHRAN
      WRITER – KEVIN CAN WAIT

      • PurpleTally

        I’m surprised it didn’t plug his Twitter account.

  • gouis

    These threads have become too unwieldy to keep up, so I have no idea if anyone has made this point.

    But we’re well on to our way to a Brad/FFSDT/Troyzan final three.

    • PurpleTally

      I might throw Sarah in there, too. I don’t know who she’d be in place of, and this isn’t just because of my fantasy team, but she’s been getting airtime when she’s not necessarily doing anything particularly spectacular, and that worries me we’re setting up for a long game for her.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I agree – even though Sarah has been super boring so far, she’s strong, fairly capable, and we have seen her make some good strategic connections. Plus why would anyone go after her when there are still major threats (Ozzy, Cirie, Brad) AND major strategic trainwrecks (Tai, Debbie) around. I could see Sarah sticking around for quite a while.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Sarah looks like Doug Dorsey-era D.B. Sweeney and it’s freaking me out.

        • purplerockandy

          Thank you for living your gimmick.

          Never break kayfabe!

    • DrVanNostrand

      That’s basically my pick 4 team, so fuck yeah! Just add Debbie into F4 so I can slay the witch Barbara in Champions League.

  • Alkanarra

    I love how much the new Amazon ads don’t know what the hell this blog is about. I frankly think you should keep them because of how hilarious they are.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fa8e4990c758014efb6f3d8073a1f0ff5b708fa3d338fb296fc0d5ea144ba96a.png

    • Mike Hirsch

      Aside from the stroller in mine, my suggestions are incredibly far off base (although I hear Hidden Figures is pretty good). https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5eb9046cd4d90c0a4ce0f6731793a630a2f0372d883e64e8b09a8cab90ebbe3b.png

      • PurpleTally

        Mine are all things my dad has bought on our shared Prime account and Micronesia on DVD, which I have been watching on Prime. Not nearly as exciting.

      • StormofCuteness

        Why him?, indeed.

    • Mine also includes “Game Change”, which looks to be a movie about Sarah Palin(?!?).

      • Purplerockmatt

        it is about the 2008 election, it was a hbo thing I think. Also a book first (but I know i’m the only one on staff that reads)

        • indescribable hat

          I watched it on a very long flight so I remember it as a movie about exhaustion.

        • PurpleTally

          The main thing I remember about that movie was how many different hockey jerseys she wears.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          Haven’t seen it in a while, but I remember being very impressed with Julianne Moore

        • sharculese

          I never bothered to read either of those books because 1.) fuck Mark Halperin and 2.) all of the best gossip from it got filtered to the blogs anyway.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Oh i didn’t read it either, but I am at least aware of things that are books because I read

        • Sylvisual

          I read blogs and the news and Twitter. Does that count?

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Jeez, I know I forgot to include Savage on the list but that doesn’t mean you have to ignore me entirely.

          • Purplerockmatt

            You can’t even be bothered to read your own post to make sure you don’t forget Savage!

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I had a draft of notes that got accidentally deleted that I had to recreate and he was left behind and I’M SORRY but now I have to sue you for libel for writing that I don’t read.

          • Purplerockmatt

            yeah sure whatever, bring it on

      • Super duper fan

        I have the exact same one, as both of you, plus some random things about some thing called Survivor. I never heard of it, but maybe you should discuss it, maybe it’s actually good (not likely).

    • purplerockandy

      My fav was when they did it last year and I got literal purple rocks.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Hahahahaha now mine shows ads for Black Dynamite.

      • Super duper fan

        Mine too!

      • Alkanarra

        It might be all the romance novels they’re recommending for me are going to my head, but that’s sounds like a sign right there. Don’t let the fact that you don’t even remotely bear a resemblance to Aubry deter you.

        • prettyboyprobst

          SHOWMANCE!

          (if Ozzy can’t deliver, we make up our own)

          • Purple Rock Emma

            How does this keep happening to me?

  • sharculese

    Today in “Sharculese are you sure you’re not gay?” I’m listening to my official youtube playlist for sadness times, which is just “Somewhere Over the Rainbow” and Rujubee LSFYLing to Dancing on my own repeated one after the other, endlessly.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Do you have the Me First and the Gimme Gimmes version of Over The Rainbow on there?

      • sharculese

        Jesus no, it’s the scene from the movie where Judy sings it. Accept no substitutions.

        • PurpleTally

          Preach!

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          Judy or GTFO

        • Mike Hirsch

          Fair enough.

        • Diego Armando

          I think my dad and myself are the only people alive who absolutely hate that song. I just do.

          • sharculese

            Guys, Diego just admitted he’s a Terminator.

          • Diego Armando

            The Hawaiian version is okay.

          • sharculese

            Guys Diego just admitted he’s an easily defeated Terminator. This is not a T-1000, it’s a TI-83.

    • indescribable hat

      I feel inspired to copy this playlist.

      • sharculese

        I can’t decide what I love more about the latter. The head ‘okay, let’s see where this is going’ head tilt Ru gives when they join up, or the fact that Michelle just gives up her hardass facade and gets as misty-eyed as everyone else.

        • indescribable hat

          Plot twist: I ended up watching The Trolley Song from Meet Me in St. Louis because I comfort myself with chipper music.

          • sharculese

            Man, I was just thinking about how I’ve never seen Meet Me in St. Louis.

          • Diego Armando

            It’s pretty good. I have seen it in pieces.

          • indescribable hat

            Stop what you’re doing right now and go fix that! I watched it a lot as a child and loooved it and rewatched it recently and I was worried it wouldn’t hold up and it holds up! It’s just delightful. The book is more perfect though.

          • I would recommend fast-forwarding through any scenes with the younger sister.

          • indescribable hat

            Tootie?? You monster!

          • Checks out.

          • PurpleTally

            “It’s going to take me at least a week to dig up all my dolls from the cemetery”

          • indescribable hat

            Have you read the book? Tootie wrote it and it is 100% charming wacky family anecdotes.

          • PurpleTally

            I have not. I had forgotten it was even based on a book. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem to be available as an ebook I can read for free on the Nook I borrowed from work, but I will see if I can track down a copy. It’s one of my favorite movies. I sang “The Trolley Song” in a talent show when I was 9. There was a costume involved.

          • indescribable hat

            That sounds amazing.

          • That may be her one and only highlight. The Halloween sequence is awful.

          • sharculese

            I will have more thoughts when the movie is over but I can agree with you here. She’s reading to me as an interesting take on the Southern Gothic preternaturally perceptive child, and I’m loving what they’re doing with that trope.

          • PurpleTally

            You live in Atlanta right? Come over, and we can fix this. I literally have my DVD of it on top of the dresser right next to me.

          • I can’t even think about that movie without suffering traumatic flashbacks caused by Judy’s hair. It is bad. So bad.

          • sharculese

            MMiSL comes right at the end of the period where MGM was just pumping her full of cocaine to keep her going, right?

          • I’m not sure about the timeline, but my favourite MMiSL fact is that when she sings Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas, the shine in her eyes is achieved by the studio shining two little spotlights into them. So not only did JG have to act and sing with someone shining light directly into her eyes, thanks to the lights being fixed she wasn’t allowed to move her head during the performance either.

          • PurpleTally

            My favorite thing is the original lyrics to HYAMLC.
            “Have yourself a merry little Christmas, it may be your last
            From now on, we’ll all be living in the past”

          • StormofCuteness

            One of my best friends (who was a gay man) said any time he wanted to know who was gay, he’d just sing out
            Clang, Clang, Clang
            and whoever responded,
            Went the trolly…
            but we’re older so probably not as funny or true as it once was, sigh.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Am I secretly gay and never knew it?

          • StormofCuteness

            Yes?

          • Purplerockmatt

            Can you be gay and yet only be attracted to women?

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I mean, if you are a woman yeah.

          • Purplerockmatt

            explain?

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Money can be exchanged for goods and services.

          • Hornacek

            But I wanted a peanut!

          • StormofCuteness

            Well, you can certainly have a gay old time!

    • sharculese

      Update: There is a temporary addition to the sadness loop:

      I would guess that this is gonna be Dom and Colin’s theme this week, except that would require knowing music happened before 1995, which I’m not sure either of them do.

      • purplerockandy

        Literally listened to that last night to decide if I was putting it into our show.

        Have decided to go another way.

        • sharculese

          If you could still drop a ‘has the world changed or have I changed’ in there somewhere it would be appreciated.

  • Super duper fan

    I just watched this episode, and I’m SO sad that the queen had to go. Some really quick thoughts:

    -I agree with most that this probably is the weakest episode so far. I still liked it, it had some cool moments, but definetely not the one where we will be clammoring to remember, but not bad.

    -Cochran and Debbie scene was bizzare, but since I like Debbie it was more in a good way for me. I did feel that it was ultimately too long, and cause of that Aubry, Michaela, Cirie and Hali suffered in the edit, but what can you do, hopefully they will come back to focus next episode.

    -I really liked Zeke this episode, an I feel that Sarah was also really good with explaining why Sandra is a threat. I wouldn’t ind if both of them make far.

    -Hali’s in the good spot! That’s…really all I have to say about her, cause she was pretty invincible, but with small steps her dominance slowly approaches.

    -While, like everyone else I’m worried that the end-game will be dominated by likes of Troy and Brad, I’m still optimistic that it still will be a good season. Who know, maybe some female is getting a Natalie A-kind of a winner edit, where she’s Utr pre-mege, but comes out at the merge.

    • Diego Armando

      Here’s hoping Aubry, Andrea, Cirie, Zeke or Varner do something to win. Hell, I would take an Ozzy victory.

      • Super duper fan

        I wouldn’t mind Sierra, Sarah and Hali winning, if they are in the end game with the good players, and do some really good moves there to win (kinda a cross between Parvati and Natalie A).

      • Super duper fan

        It won’t be long before she slays the competition, and becomes the ‘real’ fan favourite this season. The rise of Hali continues.

  • Something Quirky

    Things mentioned on the AV Club that I’m sure have been mentioned here, but just in case:

    – If Debbie told the truth about Exile, would they believe her?

    – There have now been more tribes than episodes

    My thoughts:
    After all my mind changing about Culpepper, the brolliance starts up. I know that could be playing into an edit, but still.

    So was that the last we see of Exile? Surely not! And if not, would Cochran come back?

    I was expecting Sandra to get out of that somehow. (Hector reached sad to see her go.)

    Ozzy’s face during Tai’s whatever that was. I actually surprised myself by saying Ozzy shouldn’t go home. I’ve never thought that before. I did think that it would have been interesting had Ozzy gone to Exile.

    Also, that was some great gameplay by Zeke, especially to stick with the original plan. His facial expressions were also entertaining.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      The fun (?) thing about Debbie is that I don’t think people would believe her no matter what she said. She could come back with the truth or a story about how she had to sleep on a tiny rock in the ocean infested with sea snakes and either way I think everyone would be like “Suuure, Debbie”

      • Something Quirky

        Especially since she’d probably add that she was super experienced in whatever it was that she faced out there.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          “You guys, it turns out there WAS a pony at Exile! And I won first place in a dressage competition! But I can’t show you my trophy because they’re still engraving it.”

          • StormofCuteness

            Hahahahaha, this comment!

          • Cinnamon Owl

            She could say that OR “It was a yacht loaded with food and Cochran and immunity advantages” OR “It was a desolate sandbar where I burned under the sun and froze at night and crabs stole my handful of rice” all with about equal chance of being believed.

  • Diego Armando

    Did I miss a memo of something? How did a bunch of you see Brad Culpepper as a power-player and favorite prior to this season airing?

    • sharculese

      Was it a bunch of us or was it just Scott?

      • Diego Armando

        Purple Tally and the Witch picked him early also.

        • PurpleTally

          Our coven got together and decided to make it so.

        • DrVanNostrand

          I picked 3/4 of the same team as both of them by picking the people I hated the most. I’m currently ranked 12ish in Pick 4 and this is why I use the opposite strategy.

    • PurpleTally

      I’ve been on the Culpepper train since day one. Here’s why: His pre-game press showed self-awareness, also the fact that he has the potential to pull out a challenge win when he needs to, but is protected by people who are bigger targets (aka “meat shields”) with players like Tony, Malcolm, and Ozzy. Also, unlike what his edit suggested in BvW, he does seem to be a pretty well-liked guy, and his wife is a Neat Lady with pretty okay connections in the Survivor world, and none of his enemies (or hers) are on this season. His edit in the episodes we’ve had so far really only solidifies that in my mind.

      • I would add to that that everyone’s perception of him in BvW is just him being a misogynist fool, so his strategy about Redemption Island that season is really overshadowed.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      If it makes you feel any better, he was my first boot pick. So, I was not in on the coven apparently.

  • Maritimer

    I don’t think this has been mentioned elsewhere, but I want to note the scene where Varner did his “I have never mad the jury” confessional, complete with (if I recall correctly, I was somewhat buzzed) sad music. I thought it was setting up his boot episode and it made me hopeful for Sandra. Now I find it alarming for his chances

    • Roswulf

      Eh, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Varner was telling a sob story, so he got sad music. Varner is certainly vulnerable, but I don’t see the music as a major tell.

      *Pours all his hopes and dreams into the Zeke/Varner alliance, which shall fall apart immediately like every other alliance of awesome people before*

      • Maritimer

        Its more the confessional than the music that concerned me. Often when people get that kind of confessional, its because its their boot. I’m less concerned its a multi-episode story than I would have been in-episode, but it still set off bells

        • I think Cambodia has proven that wrong with Savage being happy to make the jury and Joe just happy to kiss his dad on the lips.

          • Maritimer

            Yeah, I thought of that too. But those were more season long stories than the one off sappy scene. The Savage “at least you made the jury” precedent doesn’t make me feel any better either

          • It kinda shouldn’t. However, if anyone someone else had talked about just making the jury in Cambodia, then this would be the time to bring it up. Oh wait, that was Varner.

          • Maritimer

            That’s true. It does play to his multi-season story arc. I may just be projecting onto the darkest timeline here and reading too much into editing things because of it

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I’m really hoping it means he’ll get to at least be on the jury this time! It would be tragic if he went out in the next vote or two – juuuuust short of his goal :'(

      • Maritimer

        It would possibly be a more upsetting boot than Malcolm or Sandra

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    One day later, and I’m still in mourning. I’m actually a little too sad even to write a post dedicated to her legacy. Plus, it would be super long. Long live the Queen!

    • Diego Armando

      I think she did the best she could have done. As I guessed pre-season, there was going to be a point where everyone would target her and she would have no place to hide, but she did the best she possibly could do give herself an out. No shame in how she went out. Adios sweet Changa.

  • I watched this episode semi-spoiled, since (even though I avoid Twitter if I haven’t watched), I saw that Zeke posted a signed picture of Sandra on his Instagram. But even considering that, and the fact that the episode seemed pretty set up for a Sandra boot, I was very cautiously optimistic going into the vote. (What exactly happened at tribal? Was that all a setup to try to make Sandra comfortable in case she had an idol?) Still, I’m glad someone like Zeke took her out, since he so clearly respects her as a player, and took her out because of how much he fears her.

    • I sense that Zeke has a new highlight for when he gets voted out.

    • Roswulf

      I’m also glad we saw the boot being credited largely to Zeke. He’s one of the few remaining players I like who has been getting, if nothing like a winner’s edit, an edit consistent with success (a bit light of course, but he’s been on immune tribes).

      • Cinnamon Owl

        I don’t want to get over-optimistic about editing, but this season took out a lot of big players early on. It’s ideal for a stealth winners edit. Sad that Cirie is invisible, but not going to tribal makes it hard to showcase any smart moves she might be making on the off-chance.

      • Zeke was pretty invisible before tonight, but most of Tavua hadn’t really been getting much airtime. I like to think (although I may just be being optimistic) that Zeke’s spike in visibility this week, relative to the other Tavuas who went to Nuku, bodes well for his chances

    • prettyboyprobst

      I’m with the KIAs, in that I think there has to be a big chunk of that TC being left on the cutting room floor, for that vote to shake out like it did and Tai feeling safe enough to sit on his idols, after that move he pulled in front of everyone.
      I can’t believe they would rely on Tai of all people to carry the misdirect.

      • That’s probably right. I’m curious as to whether Zeke et. al. decided to switch back to Sandra because of something Tai said or did that we didn’t see, or if they weren’t even considering voting for Tai for longer than a minute

        • prettyboyprobst

          At the moment I think the most likely scenario is that they did consider switching it to Tai for a minute or two, but that someone like Zeke or Andrea reined Tai back in to make it the safe vote they all expected going in again. I’m sure the possibility that Tai could have an idol crrossed their mind. He kind of telegraphed that with the way he tried to turn the tables on Ozzy there. But I’ll have to watch the TC again to get a better idea.

          Ozzy was probably never considered by anyone but Tai (which is kind of a shame, because it only would have taken Sandra and Varner to vote with Tai and a succesful idol play). Maybe it was a combination of people trying to get Tai back into the fold for this vote, and Tai at some point (that we didn’t get to see) recognizing that Sandra wasn’t exactly negotiating in good faith there.

        • prettyboyprobst

          To my surprise, Sandra made it sound like it pretty much happened as seen on TV in her exit interview with Rob.

  • Not discussed yet: Zeke seems to have quietly bedded in with his tribe and seems like a respected member, despite all the speculation that being an unknown factor on the heels of Malcolm and Russell would hurt him. He’s playing very confidently right now.

    Also, for interest’s sake, the list of players that have been together the entire game now consists of:
    Andrea/Zeke/Ozzy/Sarah
    Brad/FFGCSDT
    Aubry/Michaela (LOL)

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Those first 4 are especially interesting. You’d think there would be a lot of trust and quite a strong bond by now after so many days together, but it didn’t necessarily feel that way in the few scenes we saw of them all interacting. I guess if anything were going to come of it long term we would be seeing more scenes of them all together. It’s kind of a shame, since that’s a weird grouping and I would actually probably enjoy seeing how they would work together.
      Of course, from the preview it looks like there could be some infighting next week so maybe they aren’t all that tight.

    • Super duper fan

      I admit that I’ve hugely underestimated Zeke coming in this season. I really didn’t think that he could get past the merge, but (even though it was hugely thanks to his tribe winning) he probably will. I like Zeke so I don’t mind, even though probably not as much some people here.

      • Man, I feel sorry for whoever wrote the article about Zeke because I am sure whoever that person is is probably kicking themselves right now.

        • Super duper fan

          That person’s prediction was so bad that we should throw them out of this site and/or burn them at the stake.

        • prettyboyprobst

          I’m still well behind on pre-season content and afraid I’ll never get to all the Russian Roulette posts (I think I’m at about 25%), but this make me curious. Will read soon.

      • purplerockandy

        I think people really took that “didn’t get enough attention at the reunion” thing too seriously.

        • Super duper fan

          While I don’t say that I didn’t think about that moment, I still wasn’t convinced that he would be able to get past the unknown facror (to be fair, it was his first tribal, but I was still too harsh).

          • That second half, especially considering his starting tribe, was my biggest concern.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I wouldn’t even say it was a concern as much as wishful thinking for me. Nothing against Zeke, but for the big players to thrive we needed the unknown, unlikable, unremarkable and unreliable (but not Tony!) players to be early targets. And I sincerly thought that, if the stars align in just the right way, this could be how this season goes.
            It’s not that I thought this would be a more likely scenario than what we have now, but not that unlikely either, and for a minute there they seemed to be on the right track on Old Mana. I still blame fucking Troyzan!

          • We all do!

  • So, we have had the discussion elsewhere about this season’s boot list compared to All Stars and there are some similarities. However, the big thing is that All Stars had fewer “D/F list All Stars” than Game Changers. Yes, All Stars had 18 people while Game Changers had 20, but still All Stars had a pretty stacked cast (probably tied with Cambodia for the second best all-returning cast in regards to filler/non-filler). Out of who is left in Game Changers, here is how I rank them in regards to legacy and popularity:
    God/Hall of Fame Tier: Ozzy, Cirie (Already Gone: Tony and Sandra)
    A Tier: Nobody (Already Gone: Ciera, Malcolm, and reluctantly JT)
    B Tier: Zeke, Michaela, Aubry, Tai, Varner, and reluctantly Andrea
    C Tier: Sarah (Already Gone: Caleb, who gets a boost from being on Big Brother)
    D Tier: Brad, Hali, FFIPGCLAHSDT,
    F Tier: Troy, Debbie

    • Maritimer

      God/Hall of Fame Tier: Hatch, Colby, Tina, Rob C, Rupert
      A Tier: Rudy, Jerri, Jenna M, Ethan, Lex
      B Tier: Big Tom, Kathy, Sue, Boston Rob
      C Tier: Shii Ann, Alicia,
      D Tier: Amber, Jenna L
      F Tier:

      This is my attempt to compare it to the All-Stars cast, trying to assess for opinions at the time, not now. Definitely fewer D/F list. Its top heavy and its the mid-pack that took over

      • I think I could justify boosting Rudy and Sue up a tier based on the whole Tagi 4 thing and Kathy should be an A Tier player for the time because she was popular. Other than that, I would agree.

        • Maritimer

          I was wondering if I was being too stingy with some of the rankings, particularly Rudy and Kathy, it wasn’t until after All-Stars that we all hated Kathy. And too generous to Boston Rob.

          • Boston Rob, I think, is someone who could float between B and C at the time. He was a headscratcher inclusion but he showed some good strategy sense.

          • Maritimer

            That was pretty much the debate I had. I moved him back and forth a couple times before leaving him at B Tier. I kind of want to do this exercise for HvV and Cambodia now, but will wait until I’m not at work since I should actually do my job for a while

          • I might endeavor to do that for HvV and Cambodia because I might be “chained” in front of a computer for a few hours, so I can do it.

          • pufflehuff

            just don’t put Kimmi anywhere close to the D tier!

          • Spoiler: she is probably on C tier.

          • pufflehuff

            While this is probably reasonable, I think a lot of the Old Schoolers in Cambodia got a boost just because of ‘how will they play now?’ curiosity before the game, so I’d promote her to B.

          • I think Kimmi may be a B to C floater while Varner is a definite C-tier.

          • pufflehuff

            Kimmi didn’t win or get enough air-time…don’t do her the indignity of putting her on the same tier as Sarah Lacina. Let her float all the way to B-grade adequacy.

          • Keep in mind this is the perception of her before Cambodia, not after.

          • pufflehuff

            Yes. I’d still say that if BR is a B then Kimmi would be too – pre-merge big character, with a bump for Kimmi because it was just so long between her seasons. Australia was the most watched season ever too and she had the chicken fight moment…

          • That is why I think I would ultimately give Kimmi a bump over Varner because Kimmi’s chicken fight moment with Alicia is a bigger and more well remembered moment than Varner jumping off for peanut butter.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I was wondering how you ended up with Kimmi over Varner, but this discussion satisfies my curiosity sufficiently and I see no need to object now.

            edit: seeing how old this discussion is though, and having checked the original liveblog page comments again, it’s becoming abundantly clear that disqus is hiding comments from me again. Not fair!

          • Oh dear.

          • prettyboyprobst

            What? Too much?

          • No, I just feel bad that you can’t see comments.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Aw, thanks dear! I still see plenty of comments, but sometimes disqus lets some fall through the cracks, which I then get surprised by when I click “View in discussion” from the notifications.

          • Yeah “View in discussion” just shows your comment, nothing after that point.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Yes, but you can scroll down from there and that is how I stumbled upon this part of the thread. I have the liveblog page open the whole day and the Kimmi-discussion and this whole back and forth is still not showing up anywhere in there.
            No little blue stripes on the right in the thread, just cut short.
            I’m going to do a reload now and that will probably solve that, but it’s usually more convenient to keep it as is and just jump from one new comment to another.
            (…)
            Yep, the comment total jumped by 10 to 1006 immediately and a few pages down I can now see pufflehuff’s and our comments, which were previously missing.

          • Okay, here is my HvV tier ranking:
            God Tier: Tom, Cirie, Rupert, Russell, Boston Rob, Colby
            A List: Parvati, Amanda, Stephenie, James, Jerri, JT, Coach,
            B List: Courtney, Sandra, Sugar, Tyson
            C List: Randy
            D List: Candice, Danielle

            I look forward to defending my placement.

          • Super duper fan

            I don’t really disagree with any of these. The only ones I would consider putting a spot higher or lower are Jerri to God Tier, and Sugar MAYBE to C List, but I do think that she applies B List.

          • When the last image of you on Survivor is getting booed off the reunion stage, you are probably stuck at A-List.

          • Maritimer

            Sugar was on somebody’s D-list by the start of the game

            (I am so, so sorry)

          • Well done!

          • Super duper fan
          • Maritimer

            I’m not very good for this ranking, because I watched HvV before I watched Panama-Samoa, but that seems about right. The only one I would consider bumping up would be Parvati, particularly since everybody in the game seemed to be scared of her.
            If Steph had just played Palau she would probably be God tier, but Guatemala ended that, even if the show doesn’t acknowledge that season

          • Parv was a tricky one because I think she was considered more dangerous due to the Micronesia connection rather than being a winner. I also think it was HvV that made her a Hall of Famer. After all, “Cirie should have won Micronesia”.

          • Maritimer

            That’s fair. The BWB reunion was certainly an not-so-underlying fear in the pre-merge of the season

          • Man, it is weird how Africa dominates the All Stars pre-merge and Micronesia dominates the HvV pre-merge.

          • Maritimer

            And though they haven’t dominated gameplay, Cagayan dominates discussion in Cambodia pre-merge, and KR dominates it to an extent in GC pre-merge. Its almost like Survivor shouldn’t bring back entire alliances on the same season

          • I didn’t think Cagayan did besides the whole Bunking with the Devil situation.

          • Maritimer

            I recall it being discussed, but its possible that it was more here/elsewhere in Survivor media than actually in-game

          • Super duper fan

            And Kaoh Rong this season, and probably Cagayan in Cambodia.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I think if anything you could have ranked some people even higher (Parv, Sugar, Randy, Steph, Sandra), but it’s already the best cast as it is…

          • Steph got the step down from Guatemala. I think Sandra was not a big star coming into HvV despite being a winner.

          • Maritimer

            I honestly didn’t remember Sandra at all when HvV started

          • I’m not sure how I feel about Sugar being C tier, but that might just be because I really like the other three people in that tier. I get that Courtney, Sandra, and Tyson weren’t really big in terms of popularity (at least before HvV), but was Sugar at that level? I honestly don’t remember that well.

          • Sugar is B Tier, not C Tier. Also, Sugar was the star of Gabon,a fairly recent season.

          • Whoops, I meant B. I guess I forgot how much of Gabon was The Sugar Show. In retrospect, I’m pretty happy I didn’t participate in the watch-along last summer.

          • I still need to see it but Sugar is a big factor in every vote that she is a part of. She also has the Sugar Shack, not Sugar Shacking which is what she did with….

          • All right, here is my Cambodia breakdown
            God/Hall of Fame Tier: Terry (just for the 5 immunity wins in a row), Kelly (first runner-up/member of Tagi 4)
            A Tier: Stephen, Spencer, Kass, Tasha, Joe, Ciera,
            B Tier: Savage, Kimmi, Shirin, Abi-Maria, Keith, Jeremy, Vytas, Peih-Gee
            C Tier: Varner, Woo, Kelley (her social media following gave her a boost)
            D Tier: Monica
            If you were on a beloved season by the fans, you got a boost up a tier.

          • Maritimer

            I’d consider bumping down Peih-Gee, and maybe Woo up (I feel like he is/was popular among casuals). But otherwise, yeah, and mostly clustered at B/C tier. Which makes the point I think you started this exercise trying to make, which is that the best returnee seasons are when the players are all at a similar level

          • Yeah, Peih-Gee and Woo were tricky (at one point I had Woo at A Tier, which felt way off).

          • Maritimer

            Woo is a weird situation where the opinions of people like, well, us have a totally different view of him than casuals. He is incredibly popular with them but widely acknowledge by us as having little to no game and being out of his league, which makes him hard to pinpoint.

          • Super duper fan

            Eh, I still would put Kelley in D list, cause she was a pre-merger, so a lot of casuals, even probably loyal fans wouldn’t remember her that well.

            And since you put every list I did the avarage of popularity of these cast, and here is the rankings (F=1,D=2,C=3,B=4,A=5,God=6):
            1.Heroes vs. Villains (4.7)
            2.All-Stars (4.5)
            3.Cambodia (4.25)
            4.Game Changer (3.85)

          • Maritimer
          • Let’s remember that Cambodia managed a higher score than Game Changers despite not having any winners who would be at least B Tier if not higher.

          • purplerockandy

            I think Kathy is fine as a B tier. I did a fantasy league with some casuals back then and a lot of them didn’t remember her. Boston Rob was C tier.

    • Super duper fan

      Just put Hali in C tier at it’s perfect (and I would personally put Debbie at the D, even C tier, but that’s just me.

      • Debbie and Hali were a couple of the hardest to place, but I am okay where I have Hali because even though we may like her, her legacy and popularity is nothing compared to a Ciera or even a Sarah. Debbie could be someone who floats between C and F tier depending on the day.

        • Super duper fan

          Good point.

    • prettyboyprobst

      Good job on the list and analysis!

      I’d put Debbie firmly in the C tier, Troy into D and I would also kick all of Zeke, Michaela and Tai down a peg, if we’re solely looking at legacy and popularity here.

      • I like having Troy below Brad because at least people remember who Brad was. Troy was the awful person who thought Kim was a bad winner. I gave Zeke and Michaela a bit of a boost for being on MvGX, a well-loved season. I also think that had Game Changers filmed directly after KR, Tai would be either God Tier or A Tier.

        • prettyboyprobst

          That’s a good point on Tai, he probably can’t be as low as C now when he was this high then. As for Brad and Troy, in terms of legacy, I feel like Troy is every bit as remembered as Brad freaking Culpepper, even though there really is no reason why he should be.

          • I definitely heard of F You Brad Culpepper more than This Is My Island.

          • prettyboyprobst

            But consider your peer group. Viewership not as comfortable with swearing might be more comfortable holding Troy’s big moment in fond memories. Not that he didn’t swear, it’s just not in his catchphrase (involuntary or not).

      • DrVanNostrand

        Counterpoint: Debbie and Troy suck donkey balls.

  • pufflehuff

    I think this season has proved that I don’t really like the 3 tribe expansion of the last few seasons. I think 3 tribes work from the beginning of the season, but especially here and in Cambodia, the expansion to 3 tribes really makes it tough to follow the story and relationships between people.

    I think it worked out best last season (where there was a few more episodes before the expansion to get a sense of the characters and each of the tribes went to TC) but even then it felt like the dynamics on the Ikabula tribe were a bit thinly sketched and I think I’d prefer a more conventional swap.

    • I mostly agree with you. Doing four episodes before the expansion was a good idea. An even better idea was not swapping back into two tribes and letting it ride to the merge. My only disagreement is that I like what they did with Ikabula because you really got a sense that by the time of their Tribal Council, they were really close because they hadn’t gone to Tribal Council.

      • pufflehuff

        That’s a good point about Ikabula and I did love that silent scene they had before they went to TC. I still would have liked to see more of them bonding though – I think the 3 tribe expansion means that there’s usually an under-edited dominant tribe (like Tavau or nu Takeo) where the dynamics aren’t as clear or interesting as they could be.

    • Sylvisual

      I think the 3-tribe format has merit, but it has to marinate, like any swap. Doing things so frequently for the sake of “shaking things up” has hurt the narrative in the pre-merge this far.

      • This. We lost a whole lot of tribe screentime that could have been used to develop characters in episode 3/4 because of the two-tribes twist, and a whole lot more this episode thanks to the combination of Tai’s two idol finds and the Exile Island twist.

        Meanwhile, Debbie was a massive timesink all on her own in episode 5 (plus JT’s idol find I guess), which is not so much production’s fault, but I choose to blame them anyway for casting her.

      • pufflehuff

        Yeah, I think giving the swap time to breathe is the key. Here it was especially fast because the first two episodes were combined and maybe it’s really the ‘double-swap’ that I dislike mostly, more than the expansion, because that’s where the story really gets lost.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I’m okay with the 3 tribe expansion in general, but I do think they’ve been overusing it. I also agree that it tends to make at least one tribe fairly invisible, which was especially frustrating this time because Cirie was on the invisible tribe. I just wish they would continue to change things up instead of finding a new twist and then repeating it ad nauseum. Maybe do a season with no swaps, then a season with lots of swaps, then a season with just one traditional swap. They also seem to rely heavily on the random buff draw, but I would love it if they would do a draft again sometime, or try out the crazy swap that they did on Australian Survivor.

      • Sometimes they correctly pick the “invisible tribe” (Beauty in Cagayan, Kalabaw in Philippines) and sometimes they don’t (White Collar in Worlds Apart, Brains in KR).

    • Max_Jets

      I agree, it has never felt as interesting this way. I think the 3 to 2 to 1 format of Cagayan/Kaoh Rong/Worlds Apart/Philippines is my favorite. The 3 tribe expansion also feels like a loss of momentum.

  • Something Quirky

    Here’s a potential twist idea:

    The pre-merge boots are the jury, dun dun dunnnnn

    • That’s the dream right there.

    • Super duper fan

      Thi season would probably be the only time wher I would tolerate Redemption Island.

  • I just realised we have been denied seeing how Sandra would have dealt with Debbie and now I’m devastated all over again. Can you imagine how great that would have been? Fuck this shit.

  • Ms_Woozah

    *pops in from a busy work week*

    TODAY IS A DAY OF MOURNING. QUEEN STAYS QUEEN.

    *pops back out*

    • Ms_Woozah

      *pops back in for a quick second*

      ALSO WHAT IS EVEN HAPPENING THIS SEASON? DEBBIE GOT LIKE 500 ADVANTAGES, TAI HAS 1000 IDOLS, AND SARAH IS CALLING THE SHOTS. I AM VERKLEMPT.

      • Cinnamon Owl

        Sarah used her skills to come up with an insightful take on another player’s game play. We are through the looking glass.

        • Alycia Swift

          To defend Sarah, she was initially able to read Tony well. She can read people well when she is not getting too full of herself which was her downfall.

          • Hornacek

            She knew that Tony was a cop before the game started, during the no-talking section before day 1

  • VoicOff

    Ooooh. This season better not start being dull from no on, but it could happen.
    Sandra is a fucking mentalist.
    She had them all shitting their pants at tribal. Ozzy and Zeke looked like their souls were leaving their bodies.
    Jeff if fun but not really good at this game, is he ?

    Note: The team with the most women beat the other in a heartbeat. But yeah those monkey bars were a punishment for short people (ie : Sandra)

    • Kemper Boyd

      I have a lot of fear than this will be entertaining in the pre merge and peeter out

      • I am very tempted to bring up another season right now….

        • Kemper Boyd

          I already brought it up below.

        • Hornacek

          Cambodia!

  • the sky is falling

    This season re-affirms my opinion that the only effective way to bring back winners on a returnee season is on an ALL winner season. You guys are broken up over Sandra, but there’s no way Sandra, Tony, or JT were winning this.
    It was wacky enough that Sandra won twice.

    • I would add that HvV did a really solid job with which winners they picked and the cast that surrounded them. Tom should have made the merge but that Heroes tribe was just stuck with the Micronesia pre-game alliance that dominated their early days.

    • Crappy

      2 winners making the end of HVV kinda refutes that but it also made it more difficult for future returnee winners. But still I reckon someone like JT could have skated by and reached the later stages easily if not for some foolish play.

      • PurpleTally

        You also have Russell thinking he won Samoa, so he thinks he’s bringing 2 fellow winners with him to the end.

        • Crappy

          Imagine the universe where Russell did win Samoa and also beats Sandra and Parvati. *shudder*

          • purplerockandy

            It would resemble the White House.

          • Roswulf

            See Russell’s retrospectively chilling demand during the HvV finale that the game of Survivor is flawed, and they should let the PEOPLE vote.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Oh gd. I responded to Andy before reading your comment, and it’s so dead-on. The fact that Survivor will NEVER do this is what makes it okay. And before anyone suggests they would, I think, if they were ever going to, they would have done it already. I think they know it would destroy the game.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            It hurts because it’s true.

          • Crappy

            Ha! I guess this boot order after that shit show should not really surprise us.

          • PurpleTally
          • sharculese

            I’m picturing this happening inside Archer: Dreamland.

      • the sky is falling

        Whoops, forgot about that.

        Unrelated, can’t help but wonder what this season may have been if it was flipped and the unknowns (Micheala, Zeke) And nonentities, poorly regarded (Sierra, Hali, Sarah, Debbie, Troy) were the first boots.

        That’s the brightest timeline I suppose.

        • Crappy

          If first 6 boots were – Hali, Troyzan, Caleb. Sierra, Debbie, Brad *swoon*

        • Cinnamon Owl

          Hey, I like Michaela and Zeke!

          There were little hints of her challenge prowess in this ep, but it’s been nothing like her last season. She does have the potential to go on a post-merge immunity binge, and I’d love to see it. Combined with Sandra rubbing off on her a bit.

          • the sky is falling

            Oh, yeah, Zeke and Micheala are great! Nothing against them. I just meant a season where the new folks were targeted early seemed plausible.

          • Alycia Swift

            She’s being relegated as far as challenge prowess because there are too many stronger personalities/Alpha males on the tribes that tend to take over the challenges. How often do we actually see the female take the role of “throwing things at things” even if they are as good pysically as players like JT.

          • Hornacek

            What is the female version of the name Reynolds?

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I at least wish they would have waited to bring back Sandra on a season with fewer dud returnees. So, all winners, or winners vs. runners up, or even some sort of legends season would have all been better than this. The fact that she has been outlasted by the likes of FFSDT and Troyzan is just miserable.

      • I do not believe Probst’s attempt to say that getting at least a tribe of winners wasn’t his intention.

    • Kemper Boyd

      HvV is a good example of how to do winners and other allstars where the winners are given time to play. You need at least 14 dangerous players to keep some big players around deep.

  • VoicOff
  • jersey_luck

    You know there have been way too many dumb twists this season. I hope you guys talk about how many twists there have been this season. Sierra found a legacy advantage in ep. 1 (which the show forgot about), idol being hidden in different locations (despite the fact that Tai found in idols in the same location this episode), two tribes going into three tribes, two tribes going into three tribes, two of those tribes going to same tribal council to vote out one person (biggest backfire thus far), tribe swap back into two while the one extra person gets sent to surprise exile island, that exile island turns how to be a luxurious boat visit where they meet Cochran who gives them a choice of another advantage. And there is also the potential jury twist that Redmont says might happen. That is too many and so many are pointless.

    • It’s Survivor: Big Brother Style

      • Black Dynamite

        One of these seasons, I would love if Big Brother would just play things straight. That would really be the unexpected.

  • the sky is falling

    Sandra says/insinuates in exit interviews that they killed a goat….

    • Max_Jets

      Hopefully Cirie will kill some more goats in the next few episodes.

      • the sky is falling

        The two other things I’m rooting for now are:
        1. For Tai to incorrectly play 3 idols in the same tribal council.
        2. For Debbie to misplay her advantage and get booted while using it. It’s Car Curse 2.0.

        • PurpleTally

          Debbie will misplay that advantage not because it’s a curse but because she’s not good at Survivor.

          • the sky is falling

            I’ve gotta wonder if they continue doing the extra vote. It’s 0-2 so far. Bit of a bust of a twist. It’s funny how it’s gone to hated contestants 2-3 times now.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I always thought making these vote doublers and blockers more often available would be how Survivor counteracts the vote splitting strategy.

            Their influence on the game is far less drastic than that of an idol, so it makes little sense that we are always drowning in idols but these are usually a once-in-a-season thing. I guess it’s because everybody loves idols and they don’t want the game to become too messy for the viewers by introducing a similiar amount of Extra Votes etc., but it shouldn’t have taken a rule change to make people think twice about splitting their vote.

          • the sky is falling

            I like the idols cause they introduce an element of luck. I have a feeling with no swaps, idols or bad twists, more Pagonging would happen.
            how many tribal councils are amazing because of a well played idol, I feel like it’s a lot

          • prettyboyprobst

            As a viewer I also like to have some idols in the game. What I’m saying is that they do have a very big impact on the game, and a rule change for how to deal with ties at Tribal Council is also a big interference with the gameplay.
            Instead of introducing this rule change they could just make these voting advantages a more common occurence and would achieve close to the same effect, without the risk of huge side-effects.*

            If everybody sees the risk of encountering a vote-doubler as the same as encountering an idol, it makes less sense to protect against an idol by splitting the vote. Of course, it would still make sense if you think you are in a comfortable majority and can afford to split AND deal with a voting advantage, but that’s a good thing.

            Vote splits, badly executed or deliberately sabotaged, can also lead to great drama. As do succesful idol plays, which of course is what vote splits are meant to prevent.

            Getting voted out either way is all closer related to gameplay than a fear driven ad-hoc decision (with way too much power for the Immunity Necklace holder) or an immediate rock draw between everyone who hasn’t gotten votes is.

            While I absolutely think that this would make for a better game, I can also see how it would be problematic for the show. Having even more advantages floating around and having to keep track of them could make this feel even more gimmicky for the viewers.

            Right now my preferred solution for future seasons would be to take back the rule change, cut down a little on the idols, but introduce the same number of voting advantages as idols.

            *I realize that I’m making myself the enemy here by essentially arguing against more rock draws

          • Alycia Swift

            And sometimes because of badly played idols too.

          • Hornacek

            I’m hoping it comes down to a Debbie vs. FFSDT standoff where they each user their advantage, sure that it will be the extra vote needed to send the other one home.

          • PurpleTally

            That would be *Amber voice* soooooo good.

          • Hornacek

            Oh my godddddd.

          • Alycia Swift

            That would be great! Debbie can play it on FFSDT but she’s safe because of the advantage.

        • It can’t be Car Curse 2.0 when it didn’t happen to Tai.

          • the sky is falling

            Rats

          • Kemper Boyd

            Didn’t it????

        • Mike Hirsch

          I hope every single person who voted out Sandra loses, and loses in a humiliating way. If this means I have to root for Troy, so goddamn be it.

        • Alycia Swift

          And none of them on himself. So he goes.

    • DrVanNostrand

      This makes me so very happy. Animals are here for us to eat them.

  • the sky is falling

    Oh shit, war with Syria started!

    • PurpleTally

      Kind of puts Sandra getting voted out into perspective.
      Randy just liked one of my tweets, though. So at least I’ll die in a fiery explosion happy.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Yeah, Sandra liked another of my tweets so, it’s cool if we all blow up I guess.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I just googled it and I didn’t see anything. I’ve definitely read that Trump is considering intervention, but no action yet. Do you have a link to share?

      • PurpleTally

        It’s all over Twitter, confirmed by NBC News first and now multiple other sites.
        Not officially a declaration of war, but he fired 50 missiles at Syria.

    • corndogshuffle

      It’s times like these where I’m happy I live within half an hour of DC.