Survivor Game Changers Finale and Reunion Liveblog: “No Good Deed Goes Unpunished”

Follow us on Twitter and Storify below for the finale and reunion of Survivor: Game Changers!

We’ve made it to the finale, but first, it’s time to make some of you feel accomplished/horrified/something in between.

Sadly, the widget only shows the top 25 commenters in terms of posts. We were able to grab three more by excluding the mods. So there’s the stats. What you do with that knowledge is up to you.

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Matt has an irrational dislike for all contestants named Michel(l)e. Also if he ever takes a strong stance about why everyone else is wrong, it is he that is inevitably wrong.

Favorite seasons: Micronesia, Heroes vs. Villains, Palau, Philippines, Pearl Islands, Cagayan
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  • sharculese

    I’ve been posting here way longer than Barbara or Kemper, so I’m not worried about being in 3rd.

    • Kemper Boyd

      What about Taako? He’s been here like 6 months!

      • Taako From Teevhii

        That is not at all true.

        • prettyboyprobst

          Two months?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I was commenting with these peeps at the AVC reviews before this podcast/site even started. But I’ve gone by a few screen names, so it feels like I’m brand new to some.

          • indescribable hat

            Can I know who you were or is it secret?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Well you know my last one was SpicyMayoJaySimpson, but before that, it was bder19

          • indescribable hat

            I did not know either! I’m trying to fuse your personae in my mind but it turns out the avatar plays a large role in my ability to keep track of people.

          • StormofCuteness

            Holy heck, I did not realize you were SpicyMayo. I am clueless.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I left my avatar in transition for like, less than a week. I probably should’ve gone longer.

          • Diego Armando

            Wow, I thought you were new!

          • prettyboyprobst

            I think I noticed the last name change, but the current one can’t be much older than two months, right?

            I didn’t think you racked up 1500 comments in less than five months (although some liveblogs make that seem possible, and now that I say think about it, that number seems low for all-time – I guess that’s because you only put the best words into the comments and that skews the perception of the total).

          • purplerockandy

            Sure, but at LEAST 750 of those comments were about fantasy baseball.

          • prettyboyprobst

            So you’re saying that all of these comments were made under the Taako-name? Holy moly, if I got you right.

            (this may be hard to believe, but I never checked if you can just change the disqus screen name or would have to make a new account)

          • purplerockandy

            No, you can just change your name and the stats carry over. I did.

    • the sky is falling

      Plus Barbara always wins fantasy, so has a lot to chat about.
      I bet you win on word count,

  • sharculese

    Also, hey guys, can we preemptively agree to call S35 ‘Mamanuca Islands?’ Because I’m not calling it what it’s called and I’m not calling it HvHvH.

    I’m always will to give a season a chance and let it transcend it’s bad theme, but this is rill rill bad.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Survivor Triple H.

      • sharculese

        I can… tolerate that.

        • purplerockandy

          It’s all about The Game. And how you play it.

    • jersey_luck

      No because it is Survivor: Heroes Healer Hustlers. The show should get something for that nice alliteration.

      • sharculese

        It should not.

      • Figaro

        The weird thing though is that I assumed the Hustlers tribe would be made up of salesmen and professional-gamblers etc. and yet it seems to be made up of people in customer-service oriented jobs

        • purplerockandy

          Hustlers is the catch-all tribe. I’m guessing like most tribes, they had the cast before they had the theme.

          • Figaro

            True. I look forward to seeing Jeff attempting to come up with ways to shoehorn random professions into the Hustler category.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I’ve been meaning to ask sharc. Would Sierra have gotten crazy reality points for her strange anti-bullying video? Is that how your new league works?

      • sharculese

        No. There’s no fair way to include stuff that isn’t on the show, because I’m not taking the time to make sure I’ve hunted down every piece of Survivor adjacent media, which means I’d be left at the mercy of people who told me about these things.

        I wish I could, because stuff like Sierra’s weird anti-bullying video or “Sticky Situation” deserve to be rewarded, there’s just not a good way to do it.

    • Survivor: Brawn vs Brains vs Other Brawn?

    • Hornacek

      I will be riding the Paladins v Clerics v Rogues train all the way through to the finale this December.

      • purplerockandy

        I believe you.

        I really do.

        • Hornacek

          If there’s one thing I’m good at, it’s latching onto something and running it into the ground.

          • Prom King

            Ha! Yes, I can attest to that! Well, it does make you particularly memorable on a (semi-anonymous, internet-based) personal level.

          • Hornacek

            MEMORABLE!
            MEMORABLE!
            MEMORABLE!

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    Good lord, the comments really hockey-stick from Alycia on up. Barbara Anderson is almost John and Andy combined! (Now I’m at 1,885, baby!)

    • Kemper Boyd

      I found my place here. Enjoy it muchly, thanking you.

    • sharculese

      When you factor in the John was also the primary user of the Purple Rock Podcast disqus account he jumps into 2nd.

      • I rack up a ton of comments because I have to respond to 150-200 fantasy teams every season.

        • prettyboyprobst

          And some change their mind two, even three times.

        • purplerockandy

          Barbara Anderson has the same issue.

        • sharculese

          I rack up a ton of comments because I have cusses to do.

          • Are you SURE you’re not British?

          • sharculese

            No, I’m just from the south. We say ‘cusses’ here.

    • Alycia Swift

      I’ll have to work harder.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Top Twenty Five, Baybeeeeeee!

    • the sky is falling

      Don’t give up mike, just make 5,000 comments tonight. Seasons not over.

  • Side Character

    Regardless of the result tonight, thanks to everyone here for making this season somewhat bearable.

    Some may say you’re wasting your lives…and they’d be right. But it’s that life-wasting that makes you who you are. And I love you for it. So thanks again for making this an awesome place to rant about a show for which we all care way too much.

    • Alycia Swift

      I don’t think I’m wasting my life here. Elsewhere like most of the past 3 days is another story.

    • Diego Armando

      It gives us someplace to vent. I know I am not happy where I am in a professional place, but places like this and people like you give me bright spots in my day.

    • forever1267

      The Call Monitoring I do is a waste of my life. This? is most definitely not.

    • Hornacek
  • EmAndScoutInBK

    Wow – I didn’t even make the list. I clearly am not posting enough

    • Kemper Boyd

      Up your game Bro

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        Challenge accepted!

      • Hornacek

        Bro, she knows!

    • indescribable hat

      Also my reaction.

    • StormofCuteness

      I felt better when I found out it was for all time since I didn’t even find this group until they’d already done a few seasons.

    • Diego Armando

      I was stunned.

    • Hornacek

      If they counted Survivor tweets you would have made it.

    • Ms_Woozah

      Yeah me either. i don’t know whether to be proud or sad. I HAVE been really busy this season, but still.

  • corndogshuffle

    I wasn’t on the list. 🙁

    • NearlyNina

      Haha me neither. I’ve barely commented this season with work and everything. Oh well!

  • jersey_luck

    That opening recap was full of bullshit.

    • NearlyNina

      Yeah, a lot of them are though. They try really hard to make it seem like it could be anyone’s game when it’s pretty obvious that some people are not winning.

  • DrVanNostrand

    I feel good about my position on the list. I may be wasting my life, but I’m certainly no Barbara Anderson!

  • MsFjordstone

    I might have to eat the key lime pie before the chicken parm. I flove key lime pie.

  • Alycia Swift

    I made the list. I am somebody.

    Seriously I’m missing the first finale ever. I won’t get home till after 11. In city for depositions. Trying to get to pen station.

    And I only care because of posting snarky comments with you guys.

    edit: I meant Penn station

    • I can’t find a working stream. Which means, Matt, I AM FOLLOWING THE LIVEBLOG. In the absence of actually being able to watch, you are all I have.

      • (Update: found one. I don’t need you any more)

        • pufflehuff

          whereabouts is your stream? asking for a friend…

      • Alycia Swift

        I am following live blog myself. I tried to resist.

  • the sky is falling

    Bye Aubry or Cirie. GG

  • Scarlett3639

    Thank the powers above that they are releasing San Juan del Sur on DVD. I am sure everyone has been dying to be able to see that season again.

    • NearlyNina

      Exactly my thoughts!

    • I have rewatched the last 4–5 episodes. Maybe more than once. If you just show up for the Natalie Anderson Rise to Greatness, it’s pretty good.

    • DrVanNostrand

      How dare you!!! John Rocker and Quits McGee are a love story for the ages!!! Her quitting was pretty much like Romeo and Juliet.

      • sharculese

        Oh happy granola, this is thy sheath?

    • SJDS is an actually decent season to rewatch.

      • Hornacek

        Have you been taking crazy pills?

        • No, I actually really enjoyed it. The pre-merge is definitely lack luster but it is also extremely brief, which helps.

  • Maritimer

    Why in God’s name should Tai give him an idol? There is literally no benefit at this point

    • NearlyNina

      Exactly! He keeps/uses his idols and he’s final four and he looks like he’s deciding his own fate. By giving Brad his idol he loses safety AND gives up his autonomy.

      • Maritimer

        And now he’s in trouble

  • Taako From Teevhii

    We better get a “Fuck you, Brad Culpepper” out of this. He’s being an ass.

    • the sky is falling

      Could it be Troy!

    • NearlyNina

      Yeah, I’ve kinda been liking him this season, but whoa was he being a dick!
      Also, that was NOT a good play on his part because WHY would Tai want to go along with that? You need to finesse that kind of thing.

      • Figaro

        Yeah, seriously! I get that he was hungry and exhausted, but the way he treated Tai, not
        to mention the way he sat there glowering during tribal councils shows a lack of awareness of the ‘image’ he was presenting. What jury is going to want to vote for a guy who looks like he hates being there? If he had gone in with a better attitude I feel like he could have potentially won at least another couple of jury votes

      • Hornacek

        Remember when Brad and Tai bonded when missing the merge feast? Brad doesn’t.

    • Diego Armando

      Could you please incorporate Brad Culpepper into your catchphrase for us?

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Abra-ca-fuck you, Brad Culpepper!

        • Diego Armando

          Thanks, I needed that.

  • NearlyNina

    Awww I love Tai once again going to Aubry to get away from the bullies!

  • hardcöre umlaut

    This is so stressful I hate it omg please just be over soon (and maybe vote Troy out somehow? Kthx)

  • sharculese

    They should have told Varner not to come to the finale.

  • 10% of a Barbara Anderson, oh yes.

  • Twandepaul

    Feel like it’s Aubry

  • Twandepaul

    Or Troy that’s only two options

  • Twandepaul

    No votes tribal council

  • Ryan Bilger

    ADVANTAGEGEDDON

  • jersey_luck

    This is stupid. Cirie will go home by default

  • Twandepaul

    So rocks?

  • Ryan Bilger

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • the sky is falling

    Hmm, I call bullshit on this, they need a contingency plan for that. Absurd that someone goes home without getting votes or drawing a rock.

    • NearlyNina

      But like what else were they supposed to do? Take away someone else’s idol/advantage?

      • prettyboyprobst

        Sudden Death. Cirie wins!

    • Mike Hirsch

      In a scenario like that, when they explicitly stated that they would go to rocks with no revote, they should have had Cirie draw a rock.

      • the sky is falling

        What happens if she draws the white rock? Revote w no one immune? That’s what I feel should have happened

      • Figaro

        Oooh! If they really wanted to throw in another stupid producer twist they could have had Cirie pick from two rocks. One which would send her home and one which would save her. And if she had picked the magical saving (let’s just hypothetically assume it’s, oh, I don’t know… purple) rock she gets to decide who out of the five immune castaways gets booted!

      • prettyboyprobst

        The thing is, before that players who are not tied get an opportunity to come to an unanimous decision. Maybe Cirie has a case for why she should be part of that discussion (she has no more votes on her than anyone else) and she can’t vote herself, but if not and with only one valid option, people would have no choice but to come to a consensus.

    • prettyboyprobst

      I was hoping against all odds for a scenario that has no one eligible for votes (4 immunities, a tie between the other two and no consens before the rock draw. In think they could have forced a final four at FTC. Then they could call themselves Game Changers.

    • Diego Armando

      That would have been unfair to the people who played Immunity Idols. You can’t tell people this will protect them and reneg on it.

  • hardcöre umlaut

    FUCK THIS!!!

  • Maritimer

    This season is fucking stupid. This season has lost 2 massive favourites to utter bullshit. Totally ridiculous. I want to see these people strategize and win or lose on merit, not get fucking screwed out.

    • the sky is falling

      Imo, worst season ever.

      • Vagabond

        I’m not sure I’d go that far, but damn it did it’s best trying to get there.

      • Hornacek

        It’s like Jeff said “You people hate All Stars? Well, I’ll give a returning player season you’ll really hate!”

        • DrewS96

          Eh this wasn’t All Stars bad. This season is probably around #24-#25 on my list. There are about 9-10 seasons I can name that are worse IMO. About 6-7 of which I would still deem a LOT worse.

          Also All Stars gave us the rise of Boston Rob and Amber… Ugh.

  • Ryan Bilger

    I AM SHOOK

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I blame Brad. FUCK YOU BRAD CULPEPPER.

  • Ryan Bilger

    AND SHE GOT A 3-2-1 ON THE WAY OUT OH MY GOD

    • Maritimer

      She had it. She played that 6 perfectly. She 3-2-1’d it. Had her F3. Would have won. She just can’t account for Survivor being ridiculous

      • Ryan Bilger

        With my sister yelling at me “YOU’RE BEING STUPID SHE DIDN’T DO ANYTHING” Just be quiet and let me have the moment!

      • indescribable hat

        What were the votes? I missed them because I was freaking out.

        • Ryan Bilger

          Sarah x 3 (Cirie, Aubry, Tai)
          Tai x 2 (Sarah, Troyzan)
          Aubry x1 (Brad)

          • DrewS96

            Brad/Troy/Sarah Obviously split their votes because they all knew they were safe. We just never saw this conversation. It’s pretty clear though when you think about it.

        • jersey_luck

          3 Sarah 2 Tai 1 Aubry (which nice for me because it means I won the pick 4 league with Tai’s idols plays)

  • Twandepaul

    Well I’m very wrong about this one

  • Maritimer

    I did kind of hope for a minute Troy wouldn’t catch on there and not play his idol

  • wonderand

    So much for “I’d bet against a scenario where we end up with 5 people immune.”

    Delightful from a let’s-see-an-edge-case perspective, devastating from every other perspective. Ugh.

    • jersey_luck

      Well I think someone somewhere learned a lesson about this tribal council. I am just not sure it was Jeff Probst.

      • Maritimer

        I feel like Probst learned a lesson, just the wrong lesson

  • Twandepaul

    Cirie is a better person than most. I’d be ducking pissed

  • MsFjordstone

    Dang. Just…dang. So, we riot, yes?

    • sharculese

      We fight for it.

      • MsFjordstone

        This was just fuel for my I-hate-immunity-idols-and-other-gimmicky-advantages fire. Extremely dry, brittle, flammable fuel, containing copious amounts of coconut husk.

    • Hornacek

      I think the plan was that we rioted if Cirie made the final three but lost.

  • the sky is falling

    I can’t believe I’m rooting for fucking Sarah. she has made some good moves. But big moves in the most boring way possible.

  • Alkanarra

    So by gifting Sarah the legacy advantage, Sierra thwarted Cirie’s plans and cost her the game. Even from the jury she’s ruining this season!

  • HOMEWORK: Rank this season’s twists & advantages, from ‘potentially added something to the game’ to ‘cast an irretrievable shadow over the season from which we may never recover’.

    WE HAVE: First tribe swap; second tribe swap; legacy advantage, combined tribal council, Exile-Not-Island, Debbie’s extra vote, Sarah’s vote steal, sitting out at the merge feast, Tai’s first idol, Tai’s second and third idols, Troy’s idol, JT’s idol, probably several other fucking things that I can’t remember right now.

    GO.

    • Maritimer

      So I tried to start but there have just been so many of them and they are so interconnected its too hard. Frankly I don’t think any of them are bad on their own, other than the combined tribal. There were just too damn many and that’s the problem

      • Yeah, they sort of snowballed. Or created a butterfly effect. One of those metaphors.

  • ADVANTAGEGEDDON STRIKES

  • jersey_luck

    It is a shame that we jumped straight to the challenge. I personally wanted a reaction about the last tribal council.

  • indescribable hat

    Cirie Fields has never left the game because a majority of her tribe was unwilling to go further in the game with her.

    • hardcöre umlaut
    • Streets_Ahead

      I’m pretty sure Parvati wanted Cirie to go in Micronesia. So that would be basically 66.7%

      • indescribable hat

        I had trouble wording it clearly, but my thinking was that Parvati and Amanda were willing to go to FTC with her, so although they did eventually take her out, they were not planning to and in fact went through with not taking her out until the surprise final two. She’s always left in spite of far too many people being willing to keep her.

  • Ryan Bilger

    Darkest. Timeline.

  • Twandepaul

    So Cullpepper going on a Holloway run would be. Ok I guess so

    • Kemper Boyd

      I’d enjoy if he got no credit.

      • Twandepaul

        Me too, he’s here by the grace of Cirie taking out Andrea one vote too early

        • Kemper Boyd

          this is 100% on the back of that and SDT being stupid with the Legacy Advantage

          • Twandepaul

            Well her other alternative was Brad I suppose which would have gotten Sarah out at tribal at 6 so yeah that was huge. If this season proved anything, it’s that there can be too many twists.

          • Kemper Boyd

            But if Sarah goes at 6 then Tai Cirie and Aubry take out Troy at 5. Then you get a Cirie or aubry win…

          • purplerockandy

            That is if Troy plays his idol. Which he might not have if Sarah hadn’t been immune.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I think he might have because of Tai’s anyway.

          • purplerockandy

            Very possibly. Especially since Tai wiped away the votes Troy had a shot at knowing about (his own and Brad’s).

          • Kemper Boyd

            It’s too big a risk at that point with Brad immune. It’s a 50/50 for him then.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Weren’t they all for Monica? Isn’t everything for Monica? Isn’t that why she’s been mentioned more than Troy?

    • jersey_luck

      Monica is a neat lady while Troy is awful

  • the sky is falling

    So, if you want to see casual misogyny, an unhinged water felon, some ugliness of a transgender being outed on national television, and survivor legends booted due to production interference, while boring players rise to the top, Gamechangers may be your season!

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Troy talking’ bout easy to beat. LOL.

  • sharculese

    Jeff, your name is not a hashtag. It just isn’t. No.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Brad wins so many challenges because everyone else is starving (more than usual) and he can easily rack up rewards. Is this like taking Survivor PEDs?

  • jersey_luck

    I should also say that it say with Brad or Troy went home default I would still be angry because the core of game is people meet on island and then vote each other out. I would say that default would still be dumb.

    • Maritimer

      I agree. I think its bad that the situation was created where 5 people were immune at one tribal. I don’t see how they could have avoided it other than just less live advantages at once, which I fully support

  • Twandepaul

    Booo Tai

  • NearlyNina

    OMG, Tai! We need to get out Aubry! Even though I just used one of my idols to keep her in the game last Tribal…
    Wait, though, now we should keep Aubry because I don’t like Brad. He’s sooo squirrely!

  • MsFjordstone

    Michaela FTW with the eye roll at Troyzan!

  • indescribable hat

    I’m only half-watching the rest of this episode now. I’m not even mad, I was honestly relieved Cirie got the respect she deserved on the way out, I just feel like the story I’m interested in has been wrapped up.

    • the sky is falling

      I have rarely cared less who wins than out of these 4

  • NearlyNina

    Troyzan is such an idiot! Please let him get voted out, PLEASE!!!

  • Twandepaul

    Well this sucks

  • Ryan Bilger

    At least Aubry’s happy. That’s the depth of the silver lining in this mess.

    • She doesn’t have to hang out with Brad and Troy any more. I think that’s something we can all celebrate.

      • prettyboyprobst

        She got to watch these psychopaths from the jury and we get to watch her at Ponderosa.
        Win-win?

  • Blurry Denzel
    • Streets_Ahead

      Did it help make the finale/season any better?

      • Blurry Denzel

        Not at all. A reminder of how invisible Aubry was and how bad the edit was.

  • the sky is falling

    wasn’t the lighthouse Tony’s final challenge? They so wanted him to win

  • NearlyNina

    Interesting that for quite awhile it’s been majority women post-merge, but now it’s all guys except Sarah.

  • jersey_luck

    So we are skipping the night after again. You could show a character moment to get us to care about these people. Not even going to tell us about Brad’s bag- shirt. But no straight to the challenge. Ughhhhhh!

    • the sky is falling

      Editing is wack this year

    • purplerockandy

      I would posit that spending one last night with these people is not that bad an outcome.

  • indescribable hat

    Is Brad wearing a burlap sack as a shirt like he’s being a peasant for Halloween?

    • indescribable hat

      Belted with a rope!

      • Is he hoping they’re suddenly going to forget about his masses of money?

  • Maritimer

    Is this possibly the least interesting F4 ever? I can barely make myself care at all. I have no real rooting interest

  • Ryan Bilger

    Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Let’s get a fire-making challenge. Make this interesting. Please.

    • prettyboyprobst

      Brad’s decision at final 4 is baffling from every angle you can look at it.

      – taking Sarah to final 3
      – putting Tai on the jury
      – possibly sending Troy into a fire-making challenge vs. Tai

  • jersey_luck

    Cirie really should have taken out Brad when he was not immune. That is how this final four happened. Also Brad is not on the top of world like he thinks he is.

  • the sky is falling

    At the reunion show, Jeff should just say, “what the fuck guys? This season had so much potential.”

    • Jeff is at least partially responsible for the avalanche of advantages weighing any attempts at strategy down.

  • I’m surprised Troy wasn’t more efficient at erecting a giant phallus shape, frankly.

  • the sky is falling

    I can’t remember any final 4 contestant being a bigger asshole than Brad right now.

  • Maritimer

    Voting with Tai is low risk, high reward for Sarah. She’s not going to do it, but not doing it is stupid. She would shield herself from a blindside with no real fallout

    • Maritimer

      Oh hey, Probst just explained this to these people like they are idiots. Because they are.

    • purplerockandy

      The downside is removing Troy from the final tribal.

      • Maritimer

        True. But I still think I would take the insurance policy on making FTC. That said, that jury wasn’t nearly as safe for her as I thought it was when I said that

      • Diego Armando

        If she was uncertain of or position or did not care which of the 2 she was up against, voting Troy would be a good idea.

        • purplerockandy

          She clearly wasn’t uncertain. She probably had a very good reason not to be.

          • Diego Armando

            This is more theoretical thought.

          • Diego Armando

            I mean a theoretical argument. I came up with that theory before this episode and liked that it was discussed.

  • the sky is falling

    Brad Culpepper, who are you wearing?

  • NearlyNina

    I think taking out Aubry when she did was the smartest thing for Sarah.
    1. There was a good chance Brad would win the last challenge and if she had sided against him and Troy he likely would have taken Aubry to the end instead. He seems to be very full of himself and very emotional.
    2. Having Troy on the jury would be a vote for Brad automatically.
    3. There’s a good chance Aubry will vote for her.

  • DrVanNostrand

    It’s weird that Aubry still seems to have a lot of the ‘Tai whisperer’ left in her, but also seems really annoyed with him this season. Is there some previous material I’m forgetting where this was brought up? Or is it just that they’ve been on opposite sides too many times?

    • Figaro

      I think it’s just that she knows that Tai’s too wishy-washy as a player and she’s frustrated because somehow her game always seems to hinge on what decision he’s going to make. I like Tai as a person but I think I’d get annoyed as well if I felt like I had to hold his hand and guide him through the game so much of the time.

  • Twandepaul

    Brad has killed his social game in this finale

  • MsFjordstone

    Last I checked, 2 is not a minority of 4.

  • DrVanNostrand

    Why don’t Brad, Troy, Tai, and Aubry just get rid of Sarah? Do they not see her massive edit!!???

    • I assume Brad and Troy have never considered that a woman might be capable of beating them.

      • DrVanNostrand

        You’re probably right, and that’s even funnier because it already happened to Troy once.

  • NearlyNina

    Brad is just making himself look bad AND not helping his case with Sarah in arguing with Tai.

  • DrVanNostrand

    Brad is the anti-Tai whisperer

  • the sky is falling

    Amazing final 3! Awesome season guys!

    • jersey_luck

      I blame Andy for having hope.

      • the sky is falling

        I blame all the awesome preseason hype posts. specifically johns epic Tony post

        • jersey_luck

          That is also an acceptable answer for this season.

        • indescribable hat

          You might be onto something there. Remember all the Worlds Apart hype posts,
          and particularly the Dan Foley one?

      • Hornacek

        Next season: keep hope alivedead.

    • Hornacek

      Great comment/username synergy.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Ok y’all, so does Sarah win, or does Sarah win unanimously?

    • Alkanarra

      Don’t discount the Debbie factor.

    • Maritimer

      At this point I’m rooting for Probst

    • Ryan Bilger

      Sierra will vote for Brad and who knows what Debbie will do, so probably not unanimous.

  • NearlyNina

    Gross! No one wants to be “friends forever” with you Troy! Go away!

  • Ryan Bilger

    As much as it’s unexciting for us, Sarah probably made the right call. Troyzan would have been an automatic Brad vote and I’d bet Tai would vote for her.

    • Ryan Bilger

      Though Maritimer’s point about guarding against a blindside is pertinent as well

      • Maritimer

        Yeah, its the ensure you can get to F3 vs getting a jury vote argument, which comes down to how safe you feel at that vote and how sure you are of the jury. I would 100% take the insurance policy but that’s just me

    • DrVanNostrand

      Sure. Culpepper is the one who fucked up. He’d have a way better chance vs. Tai.

  • Alycia Swift

    So it’s Brad, Troy and Sarah right? I’m following you guys while on the train.

    • Ryan Bilger

      Yep

      • Alycia Swift

        I guess I care more than I thought.

  • DrVanNostrand

    #SummerOfTroyzan

    (In case you can’t tell, I’m commenting as I watch it, but half an hour behind, because I still refuse to watch commercials)

    • Alycia Swift

      Every time I see that hashtag the Victoria Williams’ song Summer of Drugs runs through my head.

      • DrVanNostrand

        Knowing SNP, I’d bet it’s a Costanza reference. Which is part of why I love the hashtag even though I hate Troy.

    • sharculese

      This season had two important stories to tell. One was about Troyzan’s dong, the other was about Brad’s sack.It failed us on both counts.

  • MsFjordstone

    Ugh, Brad says “drug” for the past tense of “drag.” Now I hate him even more.

  • the sky is falling

    I mean, it’s nice that someone who considers herself a mini-Tony (she is not) can win … Yeah?

  • the sky is falling

    Great, let’s fuck up the FTC to make it a full garbage season.

    • indescribable hat

      On the other hand it gives us a better ratio of not-the-final-3 talking to the final 3 talking.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    This twist/format is bullshit. B-U-L-L-SHIT

  • Watching Brad’s edit tonight is making me wonder how hard a job the editors have had hiding this version of Brad up to now. There must have been a LOT of footage on the cutting room floor.

    • Figaro

      I do feel like it probably only became prominent in the endgame as he became more tired/hungry etc. but man is it not a good look, especially after the way he was presented as ‘actually an okay guy’ in the beginning of the season.

      • Hornacek

        Downvoted for saying “okay guy” instead of “neat guy”.

        • Figaro

          There is only ONE “neat guy” and she’s a lady!

  • Jeff’s explanation of ‘outwit, outplay, outlast’ makes no sense to me. Since when is ‘outwit’ about social game rather than strategy?

    • NearlyNina

      Well a lot of the time social game is the tool used to make moves strategically. Like, Sarah voting out Sierra and getting her advantage was a strategic play, but it was successful through social maneuvering. The majority of the time the MOST EFFECTIVE strategists are the players with a great social game.

  • Alycia Swift

    So what is the jury change.

    • the sky is falling

      Tony chooses the winner

    • Ryan Bilger

      19 PERSON JURY

    • It’s like a regular tribal council where the jury gets to talk back and forth whenever they want, apparently. Structured around the ideas of ‘outwit, outplay, outlast’, at least as Jeff understands them, which I can tell you officially is Jeff understanding them wrong.

  • jersey_luck

    Jeff that sounds stupid. What does that even mean. Just let jurors ask their stupid questions! You are prevent another Michele with idea. I was happy that we could an Ozzy rant. These are great final speeches that should be had.

  • DrVanNostrand

    I feel like a new Survivor strategy has to be targeting people who are good at puzzles since they seem to want to end every fucking challenge with a fucking puzzle.

    • Targeting the nerd is old-school Survivor strategy at its purest.

    • Hornacek

      Brad did say in Blood Water that he didn’t want another Cochran to win.

  • the sky is falling

    OH MY GOD, FUCK THIS NEW FTC FORMAT!

    • the sky is falling

      I am pissed, don’t mess with a fundamental portion of the game, goddammit

  • Maritimer

    If I still cared I would probably hate this

  • DrVanNostrand

    Brad deserves to lose. He could get Sarah out in 5 seconds, but chooses Tai, who seems to have pissed off half the potential jury, only slightly better than KR. Does this mean I have to root for Sarah? Can I root for a tsunami to kill everyone but Cirie?

    • prettyboyprobst

      That decision was a little bit of a saving grace for this season. Not enough, but before I didn’t want anyone to win, and this at least made me really want to see Brad lose to Sarah.
      I guess Tai winning would have been a fitting conclusion to the season, too, but it would have sucked to see him get destroyed and Brad coming out triumphant.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Sarah’s gone undercover after being on national television?

    • Sarah’s…gone undercover as a prostitute?

      • Diego Armando

        please come with me sir I will provide you with pleasure

      • purplerockandy

        Yeah, but a prostitute from IOWA.

        • Hornacek

          You’re gonna anger all the commenters here from Iowa.

  • jersey_luck

    Where was Sarah’s role as entraining Survivor player if she so great as a person undercover?

    • purplerockandy

      When her targets find out that she was on Survivor, they always say “that show’s still on?”

  • indescribable hat

    What is this friendship monogamy thing they’re asking for? I get that she lied to them, but it’s really weird to act like you can’t have a bunch of genuine connections to people.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Michaela’s had the best questions. Except for her, this new format is a mess.

  • Twandepaul

    Feels like we are missing everytime Jeff prompts questions from the Jury

  • Debbie: Is it worth lying if the ends don’t justify the means?
    EVERYONE: I THINK YOU’LL FIND A MILLION DOLLARS IS PRETTY FUCKING JUSTIFYING

    • DrVanNostrand

      I lie for way less valid reasons all the time.

      • Diego Armando

        So does Debbie.

  • the sky is falling

    Do I write a letter to CBS complaining about new format or send directly to Probst?

    • Diego Armando

      I don’t think you have mentioned your displeasure enough.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Don’t mince words. Just take a shit in a box and mail it to whoever you think is most responsible.

  • “For whatever reason I just didn’t get on with the black girl in the tribe. I don’t know why…”

    • Something Quirky

      Because they’re “oil and water”. Any other metaphor, Brad.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    JESUS WE’RE ONLY ONE THIRD OF THE WAY IN

  • Maritimer

    Okay, I changed my mind and am joining Matt on this one. Everybody ripping into the Final 3 is just awesome. I may not like it if I actually liked the finalists but right now, I find it hilarious

    • prettyboyprobst

      In addition to the onslaught I also like how this got rid of long-winded memorized speeches and questions for the most part. On the downside it allows jurors who seek to do so to make FTC even more about themselves than with the prepared speeches. And that introduction by Jeff was pretty awkward.

      • Maritimer

        I also feel it didn’t change anything, nor would it have changed anything in Kaoh Rong (which, lets not kid ourselves, is why this happened). I can deal with jeff’s awkward intro. I don’t even mind the jury being more about themselves, but it sure helped that the jury here was more entertaining than the F3.

        • prettyboyprobst

          The jury interviews are probably the more consequential change (as far as infuencing the actual vote goes).

          • Maritimer

            I think so too. It helps the jurors figure out their own thoughts, rather than just be influenced by the others

  • Ryan Bilger

    Allow me to put on my shocked face that Ozzy is wetting himself over the guy who won challenges

    • hardcöre umlaut

      My boyfriend pointed out while Ozzie was voting, when he said “I hope you can do what I never could,” that Ozzy wasn’t voting for Brad Culpepper, he was voting for himself.

      • jersey_luck

        Which is valid reason for voting someone a million dollars.

        • hardcöre umlaut

          Of course it is. Any reason is a valid reason for a vote, that’s the definition of Survivor.

      • DrVanNostrand

        In fairness, almost everyone does that, including Sarah’s champion, Zeke.

        • sharculese

          David explicitly said last season that he voted for Adam because it validated his own game.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I don’t want to sound like Andy (shoot me now), but I’m sure most of us all love it when people play the game the way we identify with most. Except when it’s Sarah… because ugh.

        • hardcöre umlaut

          I think that’s true, but I also think that Ozzy definitely identified with/wanted validation from Brad’s game MORE than some of the other examples that have been brought up here. Perhaps it’s because it’s his fourth time and and he is known as a pretty one-note person, game-wise. Like it’s all he has. Zeke and David both have strategic and social games, Ozzy has a physical game and that’s it.

      • indescribable hat

        Yeah he was arguing for himself from the jury too. Not as well as he did in Cook Islands though.

  • Twandepaul

    Yeah you know this format was Probst’s idea

  • YES, WE ARE INDEED THE ARTHURS OF OUR DESTINY

  • Can Michaela still win please?

    • the sky is falling

      Not unless Tony can win too

      • Diego Armando

        And Changa.

    • Sylvisual

      She has a million dollar smile.

  • DrVanNostrand

    Troy: Delusional to the end. Never change, Troy.

    (Spoiler alert: He won’t)

  • the sky is falling

    I’m rooting for #summeroftroyzan

    I will see myself out

  • the sky is falling

    so, I look forward to the battle about new format. The only correct answer is, it sucks

    • purplerockandy

      I’ll take that challenge.

  • Twandepaul

    Can we all just agree Michalela is the best?

    • sharculese

      Tony, Malcolm, and Sandra were all on this season at one point. Their stars shone briefly but lit the sky on fire.

    • MsFjordstone

      I can agree with that. Now maybe someone will give her a better job so she doesn’t have to sell timeshares to people who probably can’t afford them.

  • the sky is falling

    Jeff knows this season sucks, he said thank you for great final tribal, not great season

  • I went to Secret Cinema Moulin Rouge earlier this week, and I’m telling you, Andrea’s final tribal council outfit would have been PERFECT for my costume.

  • Ryan Bilger

    My sister just now: “Troyzan looks like that chemistry professor who just blows everything up”

    • StormofCuteness

      I pretty sure she meant meth dealer.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Monica let him walk out there with that thing on his face?

    • NearlyNina

      Honestly!!

    • He’s in disguise as a used car salesman.

      • Oh god and I just got a proper look at what Malcolm’s wearing and it looks like he’s going to bring me pamphlets and ask if I’ve thought about letting Jesus into my life.

        • DrVanNostrand

          Are you sure he won’t be asking if you’ve accepted Dumbledore as your lord and savior?

          • NearlyNina

            That’s actually something I could imagine him doing! Although, let’s be real, fuck Dumbledore!

          • DrVanNostrand

            I have no strong Dumbledore opinions.

          • I’d be reluctant to accept Dumbledore as my lord and savior, given that every time I tried to warn him that Satan was back his response would probably be to tell me not to worry about it, btw he’s off on a spiritual retreat for a few days, don’t wait up (or smoke that shit in his desk drawer).

      • DrVanNostrand

        Heidik looked better than that.

    • Aunt Sassy

      It’s almost as if he spent the last few weeks thinking, “How could I be more of a douche?” and then decided to grow a moustache.

      • MsFjordstone

        That short-sleeved dress shirt didn’t help. He looked like a guy in Sears trying to talk you into the service plan when you buy your new refrigerator.

        • sharculese

          I just kept telling roommate, “he can’t help it, it’s the Florida leaking out of him.”

    • sharculese

      Florida.

  • the sky is falling

    Her?

  • jersey_luck

    The new final tribal council ( if they chose to bring it back) needs some improving to be if brought back. I would say the open forum works but Jeff needs to be forceful about the topics.

    • the sky is falling

      I think it’s an unnecessary change to a winning format

      • jersey_luck

        But at least it worth having debate about what should done at final tribal council. Which compared to every other twist this season makes it a decent twist.

        • the sky is falling

          fTC is the last thing in the show that needs updating, question and answer format is part of DNA of show

      • Sylvisual

        Yeah because “gamebot convinces bitter people not to be dicks” was working so well on TV.

  • Sarah doesn’t even look excited about winning. She’s all business. Amazing. “Sir, the mission was successful, the money has been obtained, my report will be on your desk in the morning.”

    • Marlin M.

      She was crying.

      • Prom King

        I thought it was both things. Dispassionate face and body language… plus tears! She’s stoic. I like that about her.

    • Hornacek

      Sarah comes from the Neutral Planet.

      “If I don’t make it, tell my husband I said ‘Hello.'”

  • Kemper Boyd

    Dearest Friends, this season has been disappointing. I am going to bed now. I will be back in the morning to dispassionately say “yeah, that was about right for this season”.

    • Alycia Swift

      I just walked in an I’m thinking I can wait till tomorrow to watch. Handmaids tale it is.

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      Kemper, I loved having you with us

  • Alkanarra

    Ha ha, sure was fun when someone in the fantasy draft post replied to Purple Tally by saying “looks like someone has seen the spoilers.” That person sure didn’t give away the final four before the season started. No sir.

    • But really, did she?

      • I can answer that for her: no and quite frankly she was pissed by the assumption.

        • Alkanarra

          Right? ’cause now everyone assumes you read the spoilers to win at fantasy. When in reality it was actually her friend’s witchcraft rubbing off on her.

          • the sky is falling

            Only a monster would purposely look for spoilers, no cash prize for fantasy

        • Sylvisual

          She actually had very good reasons for the selections. I was impressed.

        • Sorry, I should have more clearly signposted that as sarcasm. I’m cynical enough to assume that if anyone was actually trying to cheat they would hide it better (say, by swapping Troy out for some random other player). Because that’s how I would do it.

        • Hornacek

          You mentioned earlier this season that someone spoiled you with the winner in the Facebook group. Was that spoiler accurate?

      • Alkanarra

        Oh, not Tally. She was like “huh?” It was the other person just kinda blurting it out. My dear friend, Mr. Spoils-for-no-reason.

    • purplerockandy

      If someone could find out the user who posted that, I’d appreciate it.

      • Alkanarra

        Eh, Kemper chewed him out at the time and the guy apologized so I’d leave it alone, but it did kinda stink for obvious reasons.

        • purplerockandy

          I mean, I’m not going to take the effort to look, so I’ll probably leave it alone. But we’ve been looking at voting patterns this season to look for spoiled voters.

          • Alkanarra

            Fair enough. ’twas John Kenney.

          • purplerockandy

            Looks like he’s clean.

  • the sky is falling

    Tony gets his props

  • NearlyNina

    I love that Sarah’s whole catch phrase this entire season is that she’s been playing like a criminal, but at final tribal it was all about her being a cop.

    Also I’m glad Zeke finally cleared up where that jacket came from! I’ve been wondering for awhile, but hadn’t checked

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      Just a friendly reminder that cops can also be criminals – been bothering me all season. I’ll go back to my public defender hole now.

      • indescribable hat

        Also bothering me – her implication that everyone cops grill is a criminal. I know this is her little line she thought of and has been saying all season, but how about tonight they’re the cops and I’m the suspect?

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          Every time she says it, I cringe.

      • Purplerockmatt

        If it makes you feel better my city just elected a prominent criminal defender to be their next DA (well he won the dem primary but that is the same thing in Philly usually)

        • indescribable hat

          Very much beside the point, but he also seems like kind of a lovable oddball.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          Here’s to hoping he doesn’t overcompensate and does the right thing!

          • Purplerockmatt

            if anything my worry is that he will be able to do absolutely nothing

          • Purplerockmatt

            By which i mean i think its more likely police just revolt

    • sharculese

      Sarah isn’t clear on what a criminal is.

      • What about the drug dealers and prostitutes she mentioned at FTC?

  • DrVanNostrand

    If Debbie is your champion, you’ve made terrible decisions.

  • Bundi

    I had accepted cirie was not going to win and get voted out. But not like that. Hope the producers learn from this.

    • Max_Jets

      She’s never been voted out by the majority, she’s too good for that.

      • StormofCuteness

        It’s surreal that she didn’t get ONE vote all season and still went out. I don’t blame anyone, but my goodness, it’s freaky.

    • Sylvisual

      This is not the producer’s fault.

      • Max_Jets

        I think @disqus_pNtjG0rBEK:disqus means that the default boots created by all the immunities feel a bit nonsensical and that they should try to prevent these situations, which I think I agree with.

  • Ryan Bilger

    Troyzan raising his hand right there was so evocative of his entire game

  • NearlyNina

    Culpepper: “…So I’m not a bully” Yeah, you’re not the one that gets to decide to that Brad!

    • indescribable hat

      Yeah that was like a B- apology.

    • jersey_luck

      At least he apologized without prompting from the show.

      • But he knew that he was getting hate on Twitter. That was his way to make it up.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          He’s not on Twitter though, so the hate shouldn’t really matter.

          • Oh yeah…but maybe he just knows that this is a bad look for him.

          • Hornacek

            Someone should set-up an account for him. Is @ANeatMan taken?

    • Other Scott

      We aren’t really either mind you. A couple bad days on a TV show doesn’t make us know the guy.

      • NearlyNina

        Not my point…
        Tai, as the one affected by Brad’s behaviour, is the only one who can either forgive and absolve Brad or choose not to do so. Brad, literally jumping up, and declaring that he was hungry and stressed and now feels bad so obvi he IS NOT A BULLY ! is not how that works. As the party in the wrong he doesn’t get to decide and preemptively absolve himself basically coercing Tai into going along with it as well.

        • Prom King

          Well, at least it was cute when Tai jumped to his feet right after Brad.

  • gouis

    9 months later and Troy still has no idea what’s going on.

  • Maritimer

    WTF Probst? Why reveal that?

  • jersey_luck

    That fun, setting us up for a tie vote next season. Nice revealing the rule Probst.

    • prettyboyprobst

      But what happens in case of a 3-way tie?
      I kind of expected it to be the rule that was revealed here, but I hoped for more.

      • I’m expecting even number jurors from here on out: 10 for 20 people season and 8 (?) for 18 people seasons.

        • prettyboyprobst

          Ok. But what if someone on the jury has a Terry Dietz-like family emergency? Or health issues? Or Brandon-Hantz-Syndrome? WAHT WILL THEY DO THEN???

          • I don’t know…it is shocking that they haven’t taken someone out of the jury for health issues. The closest was Paschal and James in Micronesia.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Nah, if there was a tie next season they’d want to reveal it in the moment. I think Probst has been just itching to share the rule and this is the closest opportunity they’ve had.

  • Alkanarra

    Monica is gonna beat the shit out of Probst after this thing is over.

    • gouis

      Naw she’s gonna hit Brad for bullying Tai

  • prettyboyprobst

    That was harsh, Jeff!

  • DrVanNostrand

    Body language might be an underrated indicator at the end of FTC. It first struck me in KR, where I thought a fairly even FTC ended with an almost giddy Michele, and thoroughly dejected Aubry. Tonight, Sarah looks like Sarah always does, but Brad looks like someone just killed his dog.

    • Hornacek

      Yeah, he went in there thinking that he had this in the bag, and once the talk of “condescension” started all the life drained out of him and he realized he wasn’t winning this.

      • Dezbot

        It was a wonder to behold!

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I find it fascinating that Ozzy would’ve voted for Tai and not Brad. Brad was the essence of everything Ozzy tries to plays as.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I thought that was weird, too. However, I don’t really buy those reunion ‘what-if’ votes, so I take it with a huge (or yoooooge) grain of salt.

      • purplerockandy

        Yeah, Ozzy might’ve been trying to spare Brad the regret. And it was really easy for people to be nice to Tai in that moment.

        Most importantly, all of those people were deciding having NOT heard Tai speak at FTC.

        • Neutral Username

          I liked how Tai spoke this episode. I thought he presented himself very well. He called people out for being hypocrites for being upset that he lied, he used very forceful language to defend himself from Brad’s attacks he raised the Fire Strategy so that the Jury would know that it was his idea. I think if he had Aubrey as his on the jury supporter he could have done well. For sure better than Troy and it probably would have helped him if Brad was his opponent and he could get him to talk over him or down to him.

  • prettyboyprobst

    This reunion show went so well so far I even forgot that Probst already announced this was coming twice.

    • StormofCuteness

      I was so grateful they finally didn’t talk to anyone in the audience other than showing Cochran twice (which, YAY!).

      • Diego Armando

        To be fair, he was on this season.

        • StormofCuteness

          Indeed!

      • Hornacek

        I was surprised Brad didn’t go talk to Monica.

  • DrVanNostrand

    Nice ‘stache bro!

  • Hey remember when I said that I think I was spoiled on the winner during Week 2? Yeap, I was spoiled. Thanks Survivor Facebook.

    • DrVanNostrand

      At least you still posted over 7000 comments! You cannot be deterred!

      (I say that with all due admiration)

    • purplerockandy

      Also: congrats to all the geniuses who figured out Sarah was winning really early this season. I’m sure that this was a very spoiled result had nothing to do with that.

      • Prom King

        You didn’t think she had strong winning potential from the premier? I thought the show clearly highlighted her as a contender, along with Brad & Cirie & Sierra. I wish I was less sentimental/leaned less towards snap favorites when putting my Pick 4 together.

        • purplerockandy

          I’m not saying that EVERYONE who picked her out early was spoiled. But… the spoilers were out there. Apparently fairly readily. It would be pretty fucking amazing if they didn’t influence opinion.

        • I don’t think I really noticed her in the premier at all. She came on strong from about the Sandra boot episode onwards, though.

          • Prom King

            Those “silent assassin” and “I’m going to play like a criminal” comments really stood out to me.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I didn’t know what to make of her early on because I wasn’t sure if we were
            supposed to laugh at her suggestion that she has a “phenomenal social
            game” or take her seriously. And there were more moments like that, for
            example whe she told us she’s playing the middle, wouldn’t commit to a
            side and then it culminated in her saying “I’m going to decide at
            tribal” (Ozzy-vote?).
            And as much as these things felt like a
            set-up for a downfall to me, this was not 2nd chances and I knew it was
            unlikely that they would play jokes that only work in reference to the
            first time she played years ago.
            So yeah, she had a presence in the premier, but she came off a little bit delusional at the same time.

          • Prom King

            I think that may be the case for you (and many, many other viewers) but it wasn’t supported by the editing. No funny music, no immediate cut to a scene that undercut her comments, no negative comments about her from other players, etc. The edit treated her as a contender.

            Note: although I think I may be using common edgic ideas above, I am NOT an edgic addict. But I do pay attention to those sorts of things when looking at how a player is being portrayed by the show on a character level.

          • Hornacek

            She said “I’m going to decide at tribal” in more than one episode.

      • Neutral Username

        Ok. As someone who thought Sarah was winning from the Zeke incident onwards I will say this: I thought the edit was painfully obvious. I’ve never seen an edgic chart before (other than Kemper Boyd’s great charts on the Survivor NZ posts – come join us in our pain!), but watching this season was like seeing #sarahwins as a chyron below ever scene. I did not want this. It actively diminished my enjoyment. Maybe some people were spoiled, but I think most people just couldn’t help but see it.

        It was a similar experience in KR, but there I had the outside information that Probst was unhappy with the season. With that tiny spoiler the whole season took a different light. It became so obvious. I remember the War against Edgicers and I remember thinking “This shouldn’t be the hill you choose to die on.”

        This season I didn’t need to be spoiled. All I could do was wait for it to be over. I guess what I want to say is: I didn’t want to be a Sarah Truther and I sure as shoes didn’t want to be a Michelle Truther.

        I know you’re probably not talking about me, but I thought I would follow your lead and use you as a strawman to vent my frustration with being, in effect, spoiled by the show itself. I hope they fix the editing because it was bad and destroyed my enjoyment. Failing that, just let me be an Aubrey Truther next time.

        • purplerockandy

          For the record, I don’t think someone needs to have seen spoilers to end up being spoiled. All it takes is a vocal group of spoiled people to start talking about the winner being obvious (because they’ve been spoiled) for other non-spoiled people to start noticing the clues. It’s like hearing that a show has a “twist” or “big moment”. You spend your time watching for it, even if you don’t know what it is.

          I have no problem in believing that that might not be you. But I’ll cop to it right now: it might be me. I was noticing Sarah looking good throughout. But she became the most likely winner after everyone started talking about it, forcing me to look at her more deeply.

          • Maritimer

            100% this. This totally happened, the way it happened in Cambodia. I don’t blame anyone in particular (okay, besides Reddit), but I feel we all hang out here and at least read other sites and the whole “Sarah’s winner’s edit” talk became so prevalent that we all started to see it it the point where the season was basically spoiled for anyone who hangs out in any Survivor community

          • Neutral Username

            I see that. That happened to me in Koah Rong. The evidence presented was just too strong. I do want to stick to my point about the editing being bad. Brad seemed like the only other option and he went missing at the merge. I know we’re in this situation because unpredictable winners make people unhappy, but that’s also what makes sporting events, the true reality shows, such a visceral experience.

          • Neutral Username

            I’m thinking of cutting myself off from the Survivor community for one season and seeing if I have the same reactions to the edit. I think I will. I think 34 seasons and hundreds of hours of podcasts have trained me beyond the point were I can escape it. I’ll try my best to turn it off. I only watch each episode once and I’ve never believed in animal shots or merge episode confessional placements, but I’m worried that something in how I watch the show has been activated that I won’t be able to deactivate it.

          • purplerockandy

            I understand what you’re saying and I’ve given light thought about whether or not I could do something similar. I already tried to limit a lot of my outside contact this season and restrict it to here, but it still found me.

            Ultimately, I just don’t know if we can unring that bell. Just have to hope that what has been lost is replaced with another, better experience brought by enjoying the show on a deeper level in a community.

            It might help that I don’t know if this season would have been dramatically improved even if the mystery of the winner lasted longer.

          • Neutral Username

            But I would have had hope, Andy. Hope!

            I did still enjoy the season. More I thank than many people on the site. I always enjoy Survivor (aside from certain incidents). There is a lot to enjoy. The game itself is just really solid. Survivor sometimes tries to be a show a don’t want to watch, but it never manages it because the core of the game is just really good.

            This site was another really big reason I enjoyed the season, so thanks for that. But I think I will try to watch Triple H without any additional media. Maybe I’ll post my thoughts each episode here and people can speculate whether I’m secretly spoiled or not 🙂

        • Prom King

          How did you feel watching Cambodia, another Obvious Winner Edit? It didn’t subtract from my own enjoyment, but then I was 100% on the winner’s team.

          • Neutral Username

            I have been thinking about this. Jeremy was another very strong edit, but it took me a lot longer to move into “This is undeniable” territory than with Michelle or Sarah and I think the reason is that Jeremy is actually compelling to watch. When he was on my screen I was entertained enough to say to myself, “There is a chance they included that scene because it was emotional or funny or whatever. With Michelle and Sarah I felt the editors were obligated to include their scenes and that is a dead giveaway.

            I’m not into deep analysis of the edit. I think if something is entertaining they will include it no matter what (although seeing some of the Michaela deleted scenes I’m starting to doubt that), but when something isn’t entertaining then there must be a reason. When your winners are not charismatic then there obligatory scenes become far more obvious.

          • Prom King

            I like your point about the difference between Jeremy and Michele/Sarah.

            Although at times I did find Sarah to be strangely compelling. Possibly because I’ve been watching both Fargo and Twin Peaks recently and she could fit right into both casts.

    • Hornacek

      That sucks. I asked about this above, hadn’t seen this post yet.

  • Ryan Bilger

    Zeke looks so uncomfortable and I am not happy about that fact.

    • wonderand

      Equally and oppositely, Varner keeps smiling?

      • NearlyNina

        Honestly, wtf. And when he got his time to talk he’s all I don’t want to make it about anyone other than Zeke, BUT let me talk all about me, me, me, me! Fuck him!

      • hardcöre umlaut

        Omfg. Plugging his book? He better be donating ANY $$$ he makes to GLAAD or NCTE.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          Even if he does, it doesn’t fucking matter. It’s a fucking insult.

  • Mike Hirsch

    I’ll give credit where it’s due: this was a pretty great episode, due mainly to the final tribal. Overall, this season was frustrating, because there were fleeting glimpses here and there of how good it could have been, and then, *poof*, back into a lethargic dullness. Sarah played a great game, however it was dispiriting to watch so many of my favorites play subpar games. Sarah definitely deserved to win, I just wanted someone else to play the game she played.

    • the sky is falling

      You liked the final tribal? Seemed unnecessary to me, like messing with something that didn’t need to be messed with. survivor trying too hard

      • Mike Hirsch

        Loved the new jury setup. It felt just, better.

        • the sky is falling

          Hmm, I dunno, I prefer the confrontational aspect of state your case, 1 juror 1 question, defense

          • Max_Jets

            Maybe you’ll like it better on a season you hate less

          • the sky is falling

            I think my problem with it is that Probst is too involved in the discussion and its too much like a regular tribal.
            Your talk show failed Probst. Don’t make survivor a talk show.

          • Neutral Username

            I feel like Jeff looked at the jury, then looked at the Final 3 and said: “Can we make sure more of the focus is on the interesting people?”

  • Mike Hirsch

    #TAR: Brooke and Scott better not win, dammit! I can’t handle that disappointing a result for Amazing Race after this season.

    • Blurry Denzel

      My friends and I have a drinking game where we drank every time Brooke complained about something. We need to stop for health reasons.

    • StormofCuteness

      Seriously, I can’t stand Brooke. Also TeamFun getting eliminated almost broke me.

      • Mike Hirsch

        YUP.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        OH NO… I haven’t watched the Vietnam episodes yet (don’t worry, not your fault).

        • StormofCuteness

          😱 I am so sorry!

          Note to self: learn how to do spoiler tags.

          • prettyboyprobst

            hidden text

            (minus the spaces in the arrow brackets)

            But we really need to talk about why you’re WRONG on Brooke at some point.

          • StormofCuteness

            She was almost tolerable this episode, but her voice annoys the living hell out of me. Once I hate your voice, it’s over.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Nails on a chalkboard, and she’s not afraid to use it.

            Of course I can see how she could be hard to stomach and in a different configuration I could totally see myself watching her more in a love-to-hate kind of way, but somehow (probably mostly rhap, but also her chemistry with Scott) I got off on the right foot with her and sincerly enjoy everytime she is on screen.
            And she’s been on her best behaviour for at least three episodes now.

            Last episode was really fun (to soon?) and a big surprise in who got eliminated. You could see it coming, but I didn’t quite believe it to the very end.

          • StormofCuteness

            I’m too lazy to do the tags so I’ll just say: YES, it was too soon!!!!

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Finally watched the second Vietnam episode. Poor Floyd. That leg was brutal, although I have to say I’ve been in Vietnam during the same time of year and it’s really no worse than, say, Georgia or Florida in August.

          • StormofCuteness

            Hahaha, so you mean the fifth level of hell!

  • the sky is falling

    So next returnee season has David and Jay and Ken?

  • wonderand

    And, at last, the Sarah “Zeke’s outing really meant a lot for ME” moment. Friendly reminder that Iowa is ahead of many states on things like laws prohibiting housing and employment discrimination against trans people. So this “what my state thinks” stuff is garbage; Sarah needs better friends.

    • Yeah, that felt really weird.

    • That’s fair. Although it is also the state that elects Steve King to Congress.

      I did find it interesting that she was worried what her dad and grandmother would think of her for *acknowledging that Zeke is a human and worthy of being treated as such*.

      • Hornacek

        I think that was more about previous generations who didn’t have any exposure to trans people (or even know they exist). My 97-year-old grandmother was very fair but she would sometimes say “colored” when talking about black people. She didn’t say it with any offense – it was just the way she was raised.

      • purplerockandy

        It’s also possible that what she was getting at is she was worried about how those close to her would react to Zeke. Like many of us heading into a Thanksgiving dinner.

    • Other Scott

      It’s less about “better friends” and more about where in Iowa Sarah lives. Any rural area is going to be a little less familiar with transgender people and their rights.

      • wonderand

        Doesn’t she live in Cedar Rapids? We have queer people here, I promise. She’s also an officer of the law. (I’m also not sure about this rural/urban dichotomy–you can’t ignore your trans neighbour in a small town the way you can self-select your community in a city.)

        • Other Scott

          There’s a whole lot less chance you have a trans neighbour in a small town. I maybe had one out gay person in my entire high school growing up about 10 years ago?

      • Prom King

        Yeah, exactly. I don’t understand the pile-on for Sarah because she admitted her ignorance. I mean there are people in big cities like San Francisco where I live who don’t know a single trans person and are unaware of trans challenges outside of ridiculous bathroom laws and the basics of being a marginalized person. I also hate the idea of anyone forcing themselves on communities so that they can learn more about them.

  • the sky is falling

    Ozzy just won me over with what I take for a screw trump statement

  • jersey_luck

    That genius political analyst: Ozzy

    • Mike Hirsch

      That haircut, though. Why couldn’t he have been rocking that look this season? I’d have found him a little more tolerable.

      • hardcöre umlaut

        It’s a great haircut (def more attractive than the pigtails) but probably would’ve looked super awk while growing out over several weeks.

      • Hornacek

        You didn’t like Pippi Longstockings Ozzy?

        • Something Quirky

          That made me warm to him a little.

  • the sky is falling

    Get ready for this, “Hustlers win reward, Healers, got nothing for you”

    • Hornacek

      “Healers, heal thyself!”

  • Diego Armando

    I told you Brad had a 0% chance of winning.

    • Super duper fan

      But he could’ve won against Tai.

      • Diego Armando

        I want to be right about something, please let me have this.

        Also, last year’s Ace Attorney game was pretty good so far. I have finished the first 4 cases and liked it. I do think the fourth case seemed really out of place with the timeline and pacing of the game though (Why is Prosecutor Monk suddenly back in Jap… I mean LA after Maya was found not guilty for the 47th time in the series). I am looking forward to finishing it up. (Right now I am mostly training Pokémon).

        • Super duper fan

          Yeah, the 4th case was definetely the weakest for the reasons you mentioned, while I still enjoyed it. Personally, the 5th case is my favourite, so I hope you’ll also like it (but you have to prepare, it’s PRETTY long one).

          • Diego Armando

            I have no issues with long cases. I likely won’t be able to get to it until July though, due to other needs (gotta train up my mons).

          • Diego Armando

            My main issue with that case was that it felt like DLC case, but someone realized “We need to give Athena something to do, shove that in there”. Why wasn’t Gavin the prosecutor?

          • Super duper fan

            Yeah, and if I remember correctly, I don’t think it ties in any way with the 5th case, besides MAYBE some of the stuff with Sahdmadhi, but I’m not even sure. I also think that has been a problem with a lot of 4th cases in 5-cases Ace Attorney games, where they feel a need to shove that extra case in there, even tough it isn’t necessary, like T&T and DD, where their 4th cases could easily be just a part of their final case (but I do think that AAI 1 and 2 managed to feel necesary, and AA 1 doesn’t count cause it was originally a 4 case game). But here, it feels even more pointless, cause at least in the previous ones, they had important plot elements, while they don’t. There are still worse ones, but it definetely isn’t the best.

  • Alkanarra

    She might not have won the season – she might not have even been on the season as far as they showed us – but once again Aubry won the “dayum does she look amazing the moment she’s voted out” award.

    Andrea was ineligible on account of perpetually looking amazing.

  • Diego Armando

    Thank Christ the jury was sane.

    Congratulations Sarah, you were the best non-Sandra (and possibly Malcolm) player this season.

    Seriously, Brad sucked this episode. His talking to Tai was awful and his dumbest mistake was holding that stupid grudge.

  • Diego Armando

    I actually really liked this new jury form. When Jeff announced it, it sounded like the stupidest thing ever, but it actually a really cool discussion that broke up the monotony Final Tribals had for the longest time.

  • indescribable hat

    Survivor: 3-H? Like just a regular clover?

    • If there is a Survivor 4-H, I would be there…because I am a former 4-H member

  • wonderand

    “There’s a book in the works” FUCK ALL THAT.

  • indescribable hat

    Aww Probst what a sad and self-aware little goodbye.

  • jersey_luck

    There might be a lot hate for the title of next season “Survivor Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers” but I find the title of season just stupid enough were it kind of works. All they need to do is not cast cops that are as boring as Sarah and I think we might be fine.

  • Diego Armando

    Actually, Sarah voting Troy (provided she had no problem with Tai being in the finals) had no downside. Either Brad and Troy voted for you and you gave yourself a chance to stay in the game, they vote for Tai and you are safe and if Tai loses you get his vote, or Tai betrays you and either gets voted out or you get 3 votes against you so it didn’t matter what you did.

    • Other Scott

      I think she had a problem with Tai being in the finals and Troy being on the jury. Troy is a vote for Brad plus Tai could be taking votes like Aubry and Michaela away from her.

      • Diego Armando

        That is a solid rationale. My theory only applies if she was unsure of her position and did not care which of them went home.

  • The sign of a truly great Survivor season is when Jeff does his sincere face right down the camera and thanks you fervently for not just switching off your TV, amirite?

    • Hornacek

      “We’ve got a great season coming next time, I swear! I really mean it this time!”

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    I’m seething with rage, guys. SEETHING.

    • You saw what Malcolm was wearing too, huh?

      • sharculese

        Having terrible style is a key component of Malcom’s brand for some reason.

        • purplerockandy

          He likes to give himself a handicap for the challenge of it.

          • sharculese

            This may sound accusatory but it’s not meant to, it’s just something that I’m trying wrap my head around and would like you to address on the podcast if you have time – there’s another Survivor winner who quietly built relationships, had a powerful advantage they used for leverage at just the right time, and refused to give anything away in confessionals out of fear of incriminating themselves.

            That was Yul. And we love Yul. What’s the difference between Yul’s game and Sarah’s game that makes Sarah’s so less exciting?

          • Maritimer

            Three things I think:
            1) Yul is hot
            2) Yul is a better character
            3) But most importantly, the underdog narrative he had, leading the minority alliance we liked against the majority alliance we didn’t really and winning, whereas Sarah ended up going against the alliance we liked (that said, I find CI after the Penner boot kind of dull, other than the firemaking challenge)

          • purplerockandy

            #3 is a big part of it.

          • purplerockandy

            He is Yul and she is Sarah.

            There’s nothing wrong with Sarah’s game – I think it’s one of the best ever played. She just has no charisma. I feel like Yul did (and others disagree and thus rate his season low). Maybe it’s just because he projected a greater sense of intelligence with how he spoke. Maybe it’s because he was the leader of an alliance. Whatever it is, he interested me from the first episode on. She never did.

          • hardcöre umlaut

            Maybe it’s because it’s a lot harder for women to be seen as charismatic than men: https://qz.com/767739/hillary-clintons-charisma-deficit-is-a-common-problem-for-female-leaders/ (ignoring the focus on Hillary, it discusses women more in general too).

          • purplerockandy

            I dunno. I haven’t exactly had this problem with other women before.

          • Hornacek

            Yul taught us why elephants don’t climb poles.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I hate to break it to you, but Dalton Ross made this exact same comparison.

          • sharculese

            Welp, that’s the worst thing anyone has ever said to me.

    • indescribable hat

      Giving Varner the floor a second time was inexcusable.

      • MsFjordstone

        Zeke didn’t have a super happy look on his face after that shameless book plug.

        • indescribable hat

          All Zeke’s stressed faces during this reunion…

          I started weirdly over-identifying with Zeke partway through because I’m pretty sick and from time to time people in my life praise me for handling it well and he made the face I make, like that’s nice, you’re nice, but OMG I miss being praised for other things.

          • MsFjordstone

            I feel you on that! I had a really long convalescence after a weird accident that left me with two dislocated arms / broken shoulders at the same time, and I probably had a lot of odd looks on my face when people visited and didn’t know what to say. But I was on a LOT of painkillers, so probably that was at least partly at fault. I hope you’re not in too much pain, and that things are moving in a positive direction.

          • indescribable hat

            Thanks. Things aren’t really moving at all, but it’s generally a pretty low-pain situation, so it sucks but it could definitely be way worse.

            (Wait I don’t mean to be all mysterious about this. It’s Lyme disease, which in my case has meant years of pretty much not being able to do anything but has not led to a) constant pain, b) life-threatening complications, or c) destitution, so it’s like a medium-horrible chronic illness situation.)

          • MsFjordstone

            Ack, that’s no joke; Lyme Disease can be quite debilitating! When I was bitten by a Lyme-carrying tick, I was lucky enough to see the bullseye while it was still visible (helps that I was bitten on my calf, not the back of my head!), so I got antibiotics right away and avoided getting Lyme.

          • indescribable hat

            Yeah, check for ticks, everybody! Or hide indoors.

          • Hornacek

            That’s almost as bad as stepping on a rusty nail while outside looking for a stray cat.

          • MsFjordstone

            Right, and doesn’t even come with the built-in heroic storyline of trying to save a stray cat. We can’t all be SNP!

          • Violina23

            That is rough — I wish you a speedy recovery

        • Something Quirky

          There was a group shot that was pretty telling (and a shot of the audience where at least one person near the front was shaking her head).

    • DrVanNostrand

      Did Ken block you on Twitter?

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        That would be the worst day ever, but no, it was Varner’s book promoting that put me OVER THE FUCKING EDGE

        • DrVanNostrand

          Varner’s whole, “This whole thing has actually worked out really well for me.” thing drove me nuts. I mean, I don’t want him to be destitute on the streets, but getting a better job and feeling better than ever makes me feel like he won’t learn a thing.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEE.

            MY SHAME MY JOURNEY MY BOOK ME ME ME ME ME

        • Alycia Swift

          Well no one should buy the book.

  • prettyboyprobst

    That book plug wasn’t a great look, to say the least.

    [varnermemeface]

  • Diego Armando

    Middle Manager Brad feels bad about his actions.

  • I just want to say for those of you who like/love this season, I get being in the minority about seasons. Maybe this season will age better, but that post-merge though. Anyway, even though you are in the minority, don’t feel like you have to mute yourself. Please jump in on the conversation and speak your mind. That is what is great about this community: even when we disagree, we can still respectfully discuss and debate.

    • Prom King

      I liked this strange season! I think there are a few of us here. I’d rank it near the top of the bottom third. Certainly above depressing Worlds Apart and infuriating How Wrong.

      • It’s definitely above Worlds Apart for me…

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I liked this season more that most here too, but that’s only in relative terms, because I have Game Changers somewhere in the low teens also (I have four tiers, not three, and it’s definitely somewhere in my third tier). We apparently disagree about KR, though.

        • Prom King

          KR would be much higher for me without how it ended up. Michele winning was infuriating of course. But even worse was the accidental message that seemed to come out of that season: men who fancy themselves alpha males do get to call the shots and get to consider themselves right in every situation, even when they lose. Ugh.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            When you put it like that, it’s more than appropriate that the broadcast of the season was delayed until 2016.

          • Prom King

            Ugh, so true.

      • Max_Jets

        I have it 25th out of 34th, so we have it ranked similarly. (Though I have “How Wrong” as 4th and Worlds Apart is right above GC)

        • Prom King

          If we had a different final episode and winner, How Wrong would be so right. Top 20 for sure.

    • Diego Armando

      It’s not the worst but I think it is the worst All Stars season.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        The first All Stars is historically important to the Survivor franchise and the Boston Rob story but it is an awful, awful season.

      • I agree. I have it directly below All Stars and above Worlds Apart because I think All Stars had the stronger cast and not as low lowpoints.

        • Diego Armando

          That’s a good place. All three Arlene seasons that should have been much better than they were (I like All Stars).

      • Prom King

        It is definitely below the original All-Stars season for me, which can be a hard and often boring season to watch, but also I think a bit underrated.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Thanks for the live blogging, Matt! Always enjoyable to read, even when the show is less so.

  • Diego Armando

    Brad just pointed out the flaw of Jeff’s arguement and Probst finally confirmed our worst fear about the tiebreaker.

    • Alycia Swift

      So now you have to make sure the third place goat is one that will vote for you in case of a tie.

      • purplerockandy

        Which is a nice counterbalance to the fact that you’re fairly likely to lose the fourth place finisher’s vote for putting them on the jury.

    • purplerockandy

      Ehn, I think that tiebreaker solution is pretty elegant and straight-forward myself.

      • Other Scott

        The question I have is whether that’s only the tiebreaker with a 0 vote third place finisher? Like if the third placer gets 2 votes and it’s 4-4-2, is there a revote first?

        • purplerockandy

          It would be interesting to know. I would also think that would be a better solution.

  • hardcöre umlaut

    There are trans people in Iowa, Sarah! Stop blaming your state for your prior ignorance.

  • NearlyNina

    He’s getting a book deal… A Fucking Book Deal!!?? Ughhh I hate the world!

    Side note: Michaela was soo gorgeous at the reunion! Not that she looks bad regularly, but she was so athletic and gung-ho, whereas she was so soft and happy at the reunion which was nice to see.

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      RAGE.

    • StormofCuteness

      Side note side note: I couldn’t agree more. I think she is just stunning.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Actually asking: Did he actually get a book deal or is he just writing a book? Both are terrible, but the latter makes fewer people be terrible.

      Also Michaela was a total jaw-dropper and her hair looked so elegant and cute!

      • NearlyNina

        I can’t remember if he explicitly said book deal or possibly he may have said I’ve got a book coming out… Either way it doesn’t sound good and gives the impression that other people are involved. Although I suppose it could be a self-published ebook type thing and he’s just overselling it. I don’t know.

      • DrewS96

        He has a book deal. Someone on reddit looked into it.

  • sharculese

    We didn’t get any closure on the most compelling story of the season- why was Brad wearing a sack all episode? What. About. The. Sack?

    • NearlyNina

      I KNOW!!!!! What was that about?

      • Purplerockmatt

        He obviously had lice

    • He had ten times the usual amount of testosterone pumping through him, and I guess his regular shirt just dissolved or something.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Only shirts from Old Navy are immune to the testosterone, for some reason.

        • Mike Hirsch

          Maybe that’s what Debbie means when she says she worked in “the Navy.”

    • DrVanNostrand

      Faux humility? Remember, this guy has a ‘help meet’ at home.

    • MsFjordstone

      Maybe Brad will write a book: “Surviving Sack.”

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      My fiancee was v. interested in the sack and v. upset that she didn’t get an explanation

  • DrVanNostrand

    I hate this fucking theme. Booooooooo, Season 35!!!!!!!

    Also, if there’s a chiropractor or acupuncturist on the ‘healer’ tribe, I’m going to fucking murder someone.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Eh, I’m at most nonplussed by it. Still think it’s total bullshit though that there’s no Batman.

      • sharculese

        Survivor: Man Vs. Superman Vs. Batman?

        • Hornacek

          We need 2 women named Martha on that season.

          • MsFjordstone

            If the Man is Matthew Rhys playing his “Americans” character Phillip Jennings playing his cover identity, Clark Westerfeld, you would need three women named Martha.

      • DrVanNostrand

        I’m just hung up on medical charlatans these days because some dumbfuck quack just asked my company to make a dangerous and stupid laser for him. I’ve been trying to convince us to refuse to quote.

        • Purplerockmatt

          yeah if there is a chiropractor I am going to have a visceral reaction of just that person is full of shit

          • So far, there are no chiropractors.

          • sharculese

            I’m currently trying to get with a girl who believes chiropractic is medicine and biting my tongue is just so so hard.

          • indescribable hat

            Hey, telling a first date that reiki is bullshit worked out well for Josh Thomas!

            (I realize this is a confusing reference even if anyone here watches Please Like Me. That scene where he ruins a date by refusing to indulge his date’s belief in reiki is drawn from his real life, except that in real life that guy is now his boyfriend of many years who no longer gets reiki and also played the character based on him on the show.)

          • DrVanNostrand

            Yet another one of my pet peeves! I’m glad this worked out for this Josh Thomas character, because it gives me hope.

          • Something Quirky

            And his name is also Josh!

          • indescribable hat

            I actually thought about saying that, but I was like, this story is too convoluted already and no one will care! But you cared!

          • StormofCuteness

            Whoa, she really must be something because I didn’t think it was possible for you to bite you tongue. *Winky face*

          • DrVanNostrand

            It’s even worse than that, but I probably can’t say any more. This is actually a dangerous laser, and there is a 100% chance it will be used with no regard for safety, and with no clinical testing. I’m appalled that the main reason we probably won’t do it is because the margin won’t be high enough and there’s no volume opportunity.

          • Purplerockmatt

            oh i see worse stuff than chiros probably. The worst is i think one law firm that encourages plaintiffs to get a spinal fusion to rack up bills. elective surgery to up the bills. fucking disgusting

          • MsFjordstone

            Maybe the chiropractor will be on the Hustlers tribe.

        • sharculese

          Wait, which one of them is a medical charlatan? Do we have to have a fake scientist on every season of Survivor now?

          • DrVanNostrand

            No, I’m just assuming that because Survivor likes to push my buttons by casting delusional dumbasses that one of the ‘healers’ will be a ridiculous quack. If they do, at least I’ll have my #1 draft pick ready for Champion’s League.

          • sharculese

            They explicitly said they’re extending it to spiritual healers, so at least one person is going to be into (S)CAM.

          • DrVanNostrand

            My new #1 draft pick!

          • Figaro

            But I think the example given of the spiritual healer was a yoga teacher, so… who knows?

    • NearlyNina

      I like the idea of a hustler tribe, and would be rooting for them, except that in Probst!land hustling apparently means working really hard and hoping you don’t get fucked over by your bosses… Not, like, you know, taking the initiative to say fuck them and take what you can get.

      • DrVanNostrand

        If he put chiropractors, astrologists, and loan sharks on the hustlers tribe, I might be able to accept it. (Though one of the three is almost a respectable trade)

        • NearlyNina

          I just want some people who are working the system, not just naively playing by the rules. I’m imagining someone like Vince with his selling coconuts business, a stripper, a poker player, etc

          • DrVanNostrand

            As long as the poker player isn’t Jean Robert, I’m all for that kind of hustler. I didn’t object to it at the time, because I was a bit less sophisticated about these things, but Jean Robert is really abusive to women. Forcing women to be sexually harassed by him every night just to continue playing the game is something that I now recognize as really gross.

    • Prom King

      Acupuncture is a form of medicine.

    • Hornacek

      If there’s a chiropractor I hope they call him “Dr. (first name)”.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        “His name is Bobby Bobby?”

        • Hornacek

          “It’s ROBERT Bobby!”

      • DrVanNostrand

        I hope the chiropractor has the same name as the chiropractor that was literally across the street from my last apartment: Dr. Woo.

        • Hornacek

          Woo!!!!!

  • NearlyNina

    I don’t hate the premise for the next season, BUT, why are the hustlers people who work hard busting their butt for little to no benefit? I mean, what? That’s not what a hustler is!!!

    Can we get some ACTUAL hustlers please?

    • Mike Hirsch

      Seriously, this could be Batman vs. The Flash vs. whoever in the DC Universe heals people.

      • Diego Armando

        Dr. Midnight.

        • Mike Hirsch

          Ok, sure! That guy!

    • sharculese

      It’s a Martha and Snoop crossover. The hustlers get Snoop, the healers get Martha, and the heroes get… uh, Chris Pine?

    • Prom King

      Exactly! I really hate their misuse of that world. Clearly this theme was thought up by a gen x-er. I’ve heard their tremendous work ethic really makes them “hustle”.

    • Other Scott

      Well people who hustle are by definition a hustler. Just like people who run are therefore runners.

      It’s just not the standard definition of the word.

      • NearlyNina

        And the definition of hustling generally involves taking the initiative to pursue some potential benefit to the the one doing it (whether that works or not), not just running around labouring for other people and hoping middle management doesn’t screw you over. Hustling is not the same as working hard.

    • the sky is falling

      And why isn’t the theme Hustlers vs G’s

    • Hornacek

      Can we make “Do The Hustle” the unofficial theme song of next season?

      • MsFjordstone

        I’m old, so I remember that one!

      • Neutral Username

        That’s on the short list for my intro song if I ever become a professional wrestler.

      • Dezbot

        Did you know you can dance the Hustle to Daft Punk’s “Get Lucky”? I tested it out myself because science.

        • Hornacek

          Now that’s science I can get behind.

          • Dezbot

            Just watch where you put your hands.

          • Hornacek

            (puts hands behind back, hums)
            Doo-doo-doo, doo-doo-doo, doo- doo …

  • Hornacek

    Random thoughts:

    I wasn’t sure how the post-tribal discussion would go. Didn’t expect Cirie to get back in good with Sarah, so that was a nice surprise.

    Is Troy(zan) actually color-blind or was he just joking?

    Brad wins reward and picks … Troy(zan)???

    Of course Sarah is still upset with Cirie. That was a nice 20 mintues though.

    Remember in the pre-merge when Brad was a nice guy? He doesn’t.

    You’re godamn right, jury! Give Cirie that standing ovation!

    Brad voted for Aubrey? If Sarah didn’t have the legacy advantage she would’ve been voted out. And of course Troy(zan)’s idol play was meaningless.

    Do we have to go back to the game? Can’t we stay at the live footage and talk to Cirie some more?

    Brad wins another immunity. Is he gonna Mike Holloway it to the end?

    Brad is on an emotional roller coaster. He’s crying about Monica after the challenge, then bullying Tai at camp.

    If Troy(zan) isn’t getting voted out here then the editors are doing their best to make him look the fool.

    As much as I want Troy(zan) to make the finals and get no votes, it would have been sweet for him to get voted out instead of Aubry after wasting his idol at the previous tribal.

    Brad wins immunity again. I guess he’ll take out his biggest threat, Sarah … wait, he wants to vote out Tai???

    Brad tells Troy(zan) “It’s my island right now.” Oh I hope he meant to say that.

    New final tribal format is interesting. Will we hear from everyone?

    Oh well I guess they had to talk to Troy(zan) eventually.

    There we go – no questions to Troy(zan) during the outplay section.

    Troy(zan) knows he’s not winning. Was that applause after his final words actual or out of pity?

    Of course Ozzy votes for Brad. It’s a vote for himself.

    Reunion. Brad grew a porn-stache!

    Sarah wins. Yay?

    Brad is reminding me so much of Al Bundy here.

    We finally find out what happens if there’s a tie. Thank goodness the season didn’t come down to Troy(zan) making the final decision.

    I guess they had to talk about the Zeke/Varner thing. It went as well as could be expected. Now let’s never mention it again.

    Only Ozzy could take the new FTC format and make it about American politics.

    Next season’s theme … oh Lord! I was hoping those tweets earlier today were just a joke.

    Not talked to: Ciera, Tony, Caleb, JT, Hali, Debbie, Andrea and Troy(zan), who was only mentioned as part of the tie explanation but not talked to.

    Phew! Enough of this season! Hornacek out!

    • DrVanNostrand

      How can you forget Troy basking in his hypothetical, game changing, tie breaking vote for Brad!!

      • Hornacek

        Oh right, I guess technically Jeff did ask him a question, although it was really part of his question to Brad, so it doesn’t really count (that’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it).

        • DrVanNostrand

          I just loved how Troy REALLY made the best of it. It was his one and only opportunity to be noticed all season, and actually get people to clap for him…… for giving Brad a million dollars.

    • Figaro

      I was really confused about whether Brad was being deliberately ironic when he told Troy it was his island, but his jokes are said so straight-faced that it’s really hard to tell when he’s joking. Like when he came back from the challenge and said he ‘has one of those at home’. Um, Brad? Are you joking or are you serious?

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        “This is my island” was for sure a joke. Brad has definitely watched One World multiple times.

        • Figaro

          Oh wow. I actually completely blanked that obviously Brad has seen One World. He clearly didn’t mention Monica nearly enough times for me haha 😛

    • Something Quirky

      My theory is that the winning it for Monica was staged to make him look good.

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    Okay, shout out to Matt for running a stellar liveblog all season. This has been awesome. I’m going to do this now before I go back to hulking out about the last 2 minutes of the reunion.

    • DrVanNostrand

      There’s a liveblog? I thought we all just came here to talk about the episode in the comments section.

      • Dezbot

        That’s what I do.

    • I thought Mark did the liveblog.

      • corndogshuffle

        Mark?

      • Hornacek

        I thought it was Matk?

        • Kemper Boyd

          Mart?

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    First of all, I just want to say that I’m so honored to be among the elite top 25 commenters on this site. I’d like to thank my family, my fellow commenters and above all, our lord and savior Jeff Probst.

    I have to go to bed because I’m a wimp, but I had to come on here first to say that I hated the new jury format, mostly because it effed up all of my jury question predictions (except Ozzy, who still found a way to value challenge wins and camp chores above all else).

    Even though it wasn’t necessarily a great season to watch, it’s been a great season to participate in PRP. Love you all! <3

    • Mike Hirsch

      Back atcha, except I loved the new jury format.

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    RAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

    HEY JEFF. HEY JEFF. HEY JEFF. I FORGOT TO PLUG MY BOOK. IT’S ABOUT MY JOURNEY. IT’S ABOUT MY JOURNEY THROUGH SHAME. CUZ I WAS ASHAMED BUT I APOLOGIZED SO IT’S ALL GOOD NOW. SO I WROTE A BOOK ABOUT IT. I’M GONNA GIVE YOU A COPY. OK? COOL. EVERYBODY CLAP NOW!

    • NearlyNina

      Honestly so revolting. At least Jeff very quickly cut him off and moved on, but ughh what a turd!

      • Hornacek

        The worst part is that, according to what we saw, Varner talked to Jeff about his book during the commercial, and when they came back, Jeff decided to let Varner talk about it on the air.

        • Violina23

          I really hope that’s not true.

          • Hornacek

            Well, when they came back from commercial Jeff said something like “Varner, you were telling me something during the commercial, tell everyone about it”. Just more proof that during the commercials, Jeff should not talk to the players.

    • sharculese

      I’m not gonna like this because everything about that exchange was bad, but holy shit why did they think that was a good idea.

      • Sylvisual

        HE thought it was a good idea. HE interrupted. Because for Varner, it’s all about him. I’m glad Jeff said something to him after he trashed his former employer.

        • sharculese

          Like I said below, I’m not sure they should have let Varner be at the reunion, and it’s partially because something like this was totally predictable.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I felt the same way. If they hadn’t, the Varner fans would’ve raged in their fragility but like, let them.

          • NearlyNina

            Yeah at the beginning when it was just Zeke talking I thought they were going to just ignore him (Not sure if there was a moment that he spoke before Zeke started talking since my live feed froze). Really disappointing that they gave him that platform. Not surprising though.

          • I actually kinda hoped that Probst might just one-word it with Varner, like “And Jeff, you had gotten fired over this but you got a new job, right?” “Yes I-” “- Ok, and when we come back, Michaela! She was a shining star!”

        • I thought I heard Probst say “Congrats” before they cut off his mic.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            He did. I’m pretty sure

          • Sylvisual

            I heard “Hey you can’t…”

        • prettyboyprobst

          When Probst ended the segment about Zeke (and Varner), you could hear him say that he would “circle it back” to Varner and I think I can remember Jeff P. adressing him, so I don’t think it was an interruption.
          Not sure if Probst knew what was coming, though.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Glad I turned it off after HHH was previewed.

    • PurpleTally

      That’s like fucking Rachel Dolezal writing a book. No one asked for your story, dude. Just stop.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        BEST. COMMENT.

      • DrVanNostrand

        I can’t wait for Donald Trump’s book about how he was the most persecuted president ever. It will be written one tweet at a time.

        • Diego Armando

          It will be unfinished and the pages will fall out.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        DID YOU SEE JEFF VARNER’S PINNED TWEET? HE “FINALLY GETS TO SHARE HIS STORY.”

        FINALLY.

        FINALLY.

        FINALLY.

        • MsFjordstone

          HIS story. Insert Michaela eye roll here.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Nope, because apparently he blocked me!
          So that’s Anna, Troy, and Varner. Troy’s actually the most likable one!

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Varner blocked you? How’d that happen??

            Also, how the fuck am I not blocked yet?

            I’m blocked by Anna and Troy so far. And you’re right about the likability.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Idk, it’s not like I @ replied him. Also I’m kind of amused that none of the people who blocked me are people I have ever followed.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            That is what is so confusing to me – I didn’t think you had @’d him. I also have never @’d the people who have blocked me though.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I think technically Anna was part of the reply that got me blocked, but all I said was “I think the jury is still out on science” lmao.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Troy is a douche not a bad human being so easily the best of them.

          • hardcöre umlaut

            Troy is def the most likeable one out of that group. Varner seems to be on a banning binge, he blocked me too but I at least tweeted @ him! Did he just see less than favorable coverage of the incident (aka anything less than the fucking FAWNING that r/survivor was doing over him) here and decide to block anyone with “purple rock” in their handle?

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        “People who make mistakes have the right to be forgiven.”

        The right.

        • prettyboyprobst

          And he wrote that in an article? I don’t care for a link, but writing dumb shit is way worse than just saying it in the moment, imho.

          • DrVanNostrand

            He wrote a ton of dumb shit in response to the episode when it aired, so that’s nothing new. Well, maybe a little new because this article sounds even worse than all that other dumb shit.

        • Violina23

          Being forgiven is a privilege. Nobody owes you anything, asshole.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        I shouldn’t have read the article he wrote. I SHOULDN’T HAVE READ IT.

        • Wait, Varner wrote an article?

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            He sure fucking did

      • EmAndScoutInBK
    • Sylvisual

      The BR Rules: Belabored Retread.

    • Violina23
    • StormofCuteness

      I mean I screamed at the tv is fury! Fuck that guy.

    • Maritimer

      I am so glad I bailed and went to bed before this happened

      • Kemper Boyd

        Me too

    • Ms_Woozah

      I am honestly so done with him. GOOD RIDDANCE TO YOU AND YOUR BOOK THAT WILL FAIL

    • Violina23

      I was really hoping after the reaction from his half-assed apology the night it aired, that he’d gain some clarity on the whole thing. That he’d say something to the effect of “I’m deeply, deeply sorry for taking away something from you that you can never get back, and I hope someday you can forgive me”, but alas…

  • Mike Hirsch
    • sharculese

      I don’t know what this is from but I got confused when it didn’t continue with “The words are coming out so weird. Where are you now, when I need you?”

      • Mike Hirsch

        It was my parting Buffy shot of the season.

        • sharculese

          Alone on an aeroplane, falling asleep against the window pane, the blood will thicken.

          *sick blast of guitar noise*

      • indescribable hat

        I’m going to undermine my credibility as a recommender of musicals by strongly, strongly encouraging you to watch the musical episode of Buffy.

        • Prom King

          My favorite episode of maybe my favorite show.

        • PurpleTally

          The musical episode of Buffy holds up really well. The music is solid, and you can tell Whedon genuinely likes musicals, because you can see the influences of various composers on the songs. Plus, not only is there an in-world reason for them to all be singing, the episodes prior to the musical episode are building up to the reveals from the episode and the rest of the season basically deals with the fallout from the secrets that are revealed. I don’t know how well it stands on its own, because I’ve seen the whole series, but it is almost definitely the best musical episode of all time. (The Scrubs musical probably close behind in 2nd place.)

          • indescribable hat

            I just love it so much. When I have a really bad day that’s an episode of TV that I go back to for comfort, which is a little weird given the tone of the episode but gah it’s just so good.

          • PurpleTally

            I rewatch it all the time. And, since it’s on the same disc, I usually end up watching Tabula Rasa, too.

          • Violina23

            As a musical theater lover, some of the actual music isn’t inherently sophisticated on its own, but it works SOOOO damn well because of all the reasons you mention above. Season 6 was so much about characters being their own worst enemies, and the reveals were kind of cathartic, especially Buffy’s.

          • Have you seen the OUaT musical episode? That was a very weird thing to happen.

  • Hornacek

    Next season … Survivor: Paladins v Clerics v Rogues

    • NearlyNina

      Lols pretty much. Except the rogues are just drudges instead…

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Go rogues!

      • DrVanNostrand

        They do have a great podcast

    • sharculese

      Love it.

    • Alycia Swift

      V. Wizards.

    • Parvatis2Idols

      v. druids

      • Hornacek

        Funny, she doesn’t look druish.

        • Violina23

          Must be the nose job 😉

    • MsFjordstone

      v. Courtesans

  • Mike Hirsch

    Is that post count overall, or just from this season?

    • PurpleTally

      Overall. I don’t think you can narrow it down by time frame.

      • That makes me feel better.

      • DrVanNostrand

        It will take you years to crack our ranks!!!!! Though I am shocked by how much the top five or so have blown the rest of us regulars out of the water.

        • PurpleTally

          I am fine not being at the top of the commenter stats. I’ll just be happy seeing how far up I am in the pick 4 stats.

        • PurpleTally

          Actually I just looked, and I’ve posted nearly 700 comments via Disqus and all but a couple of them were here, so next season, I’ll be on the list.

          • DrVanNostrand

            If Barbara died today, you’d catch her in 10 years. I just felt the need to post that because now I must always reply to you to prevent you from beating me.

          • I’m on the bubble. I need to up my game if I want to hold on to my spot…

    • Purplerockmatt

      I think overall

    • sharculese

      overall. it’s the second time they’ve done this to us, so I can see the uptick.

    • DrVanNostrand

      That explains why I’m not a little higher. I missed commenting on most of Cambodia.

      • Mike Hirsch

        I started following the site towards the end of Worlds Apart and didn’t start commenting until some point in Cambodia.

    • Other Scott

      Yeah I’m definitely not top 15 for this season

    • Violina23

      I am…. higher than I thought. I think I post a lot of little comments. Like this one.

      • Hornacek

        You should have posted one word of that sentence in its own comment.

  • Ethan Kyle

    *sigh* you know what, fuck this season, Sarah is easily at the bottom of the winner rankings and boring as all sin. I honestly can’t explain why but Sarah INFURIATES me and the fact that she wins just kills me inside, this is the single lowest i’ve ever felt on this Survivor as a while, what a waste of my life

  • Vagabond

    West Coast watcher. It should not be possible for only one person to be eligible for votes in a tribal council. It abrogates the central conceit of the entire show, which is CHOOSING who goes home. Choice is by definition impossible with only one option. Removing people’s agency sucks ass, just ask Zeke.

    Survivor needs to fix this situation immediately.

    Full Stop.

    • the sky is falling

      I propose that in that scenario they revote and no one is immune. The idols/immunity are null and void. If Cirie had received a vote in the multiple idols played scenario, sure, she should go home. But I agree, very opposed to someone going home with no votes.

      • purplerockandy

        “Congratulations! You saved this idol all season long to be played at the moment you need it most! PSYCH! It no longer has the power to do what we promised you it would do!”

      • indescribable hat

        It did suck for Cirie, but it’s just the clear outcome of the rules of the game. Sure they could have gone through a charade revote with only Cirie eligible or a one-person rock draw, but we already knew the only possible outcome.

        They could of course decide they never want this to happen and avoid ever having n-1 sources of immunity potentially available, just as I’m pretty sure they’ve avoided ever having the possibility of every single person being immune, but this doesn’t break the game, it just sucks when it’s Cirie.

        • the sky is falling

          Yeah, it’s such an unlikely thing to happen that I suppose no need to rework the game.

  • This is my comment so that someone can reply when we get confirmation about who the third Brad vote was.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Sierra? Not confirmation, just a guess.

    • NearlyNina

      That’s what I want to know! I’m guessing maybe Sierra or Hali.

      • DrVanNostrand

        My impression from tribal was that Hali was moving towards Sarah and away from Brad (no one gave a second thought to Troy). I’d like to get confirmation of that, though.

        • That was my belief. I think as soon as he bombed Michaela’s question, she started leaning more to Sarah.

          • I mean, in fairness to Brad, that’s probably the level of answer I would give if you asked me about half my coworkers as well, and I’ve worked with some of them for years.

            In fairness to Michaela: they’ve been on an island together with nothing to do but talk, and he STILL can’t come up with anything better than that?

          • He knew nothing about her family, which is a big deal to her according to her
            mvGx bio.

          • purplerockandy

            But for real: how confident are we that Michaela knew that his wife once played Survivor?

          • I think she was probably clued in based on the fact that everyone seemed to know who Monica was.

          • purplerockandy

            I suppose I could’ve come up with the same answer for all of my co-workers, in that I’m PRETTY sure I know what city they live in and where they work.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      My impression was that Ozzy, Debbie, and Sierra voted for Culpepper

    • prettyboyprobst

      Why wouldn’t it be Sierra?

      • DrVanNostrand

        In fairness, after the nerd warrior goddess (or whatever) comment by Debbie in KR, I assumed she was an Aubry vote. I was wrong. It was Nick.

      • I think some believe that may be Hali and some thought it was a bitter Andrea.

        • DrVanNostrand

          Andrea was pissed. And I have a dumb little joke about Survivor jurors.

          What do you call a really bitter juror?

          A juror.

        • prettyboyprobst

          I don’t see that at all, but fair enough, let’s not assume anything.

        • Max_Jets

          That’d be interesting if it was Hali, because the first 3 jurors would be Brad votes and the last 7 would be Sarah votes.

        • Violina23

          When Probst read the 3rd Brad vote, I was legitimately worried for a second there. This makes me wonder if they purposely didn’t show much of Sierra during that final TC. IT was probably a flatter, less interesting version of what Debbie & Ozzy said.

    • Marlin M.

      Sierra. She said it in a post in instagram.

  • DrVanNostrand

    I just had a thought about a different comparison between Sarah and a Cagayan player. Sarah’s make friends with everyone and then fuck them over plan was a lot like Spencer in Cambodia. The main differences were that she did a better job at FTC, and people actually liked Jeremy. No one but Ozzy and Debbie really gave a shit about Brad.

    • Right. It also helped that Sarah’s optics are a lot better than Spencer’s. Spencer was the youngest member of the cast and trying to argue his case to a jury made up of older people, most of whom had spouses and children. That jury is always going to value emotional connection over gameplay. Sarah gets helped by the fact that she is on a mixed-age jury of largely fans of the show not to mention that she is a cop, wife (?), and mother from Iowa. Is it a big shock that the people we assume voted for Brad are the people that aren’t fans of the show before getting on?

      • DrVanNostrand

        Also, look at her two most obvious jury champions: Zeke and Michaela. Two Millennials, from the Millennial tribe that voted for the human clusterfuck known as Adam. Ken would’ve had a shot in Cambodia, just as Brad would have, but not with this jury. Spencer and Brad probably wish they could change places (though Brad probably could’ve won here with a single small change in his game).

        • To be fair, Michaela did not make jury in MvGX.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Damn you witch! You and your facts!!!

          • Well, I don’t think Ken could win a Cambodia jury. He could get votes sure, but not enough to win.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I think he could, against anyone but Jeremy. That is a vinyl-friendly jury. They also would’ve appreciated his rants about ‘kids these days’ and ‘trust’.

          • I think he definitely get 4 votes (Savage, Wiglesworth, Joe, and Keith), but that’s it. He probably beats Tasha and Spencer.

          • Other Scott

            Ken’s problem is that he had a good amount of arrogance to go with his “loyal gameplay”. He was more Coach-y than people think I believe.

          • He’s magnificent and I love him. We were discussing this the other day, and I think he’s one of my top 5 Survivors to follow on Twitter.

    • Maritimer

      Yeah, it worked for Sarah because she was against Brad, who is kind of a dick, and Troy, who people barely cared about or knew existed. You can’t have a palatable alternative with you at FTC if you are going to play like that, which is part of what made Sarah’s game good. And why in hindsight, Spencer was done after the Abi boot

  • PurpleTally

    So, I was watching away from my computer, so I haven’t had a chance to read the other comments on this, so apologies if this has already been said. I think if we had this level of gameplay from first time players, even with all of the twists, this would be considered a really solid season. If you’re able to look past the fact that all of the faves went home early, the episodes themselves were overall really good. Sarah is a really solid winner, who just happens to have a not-so-appealing personality, but she played a really solid game.
    Obviously, we can’t and shouldn’t overlook how shitty the Varner thing was, but I don’t think the rest of it was as bad as everyone seems to think.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Sarah played a very good game. I can’t deny that. (Brad still fucked it up by not taking her out at 3, but the same could be said of Woo-Tony)

      • Peter Parker

        I find it hard to believe Brad really would have gotten 5 votes against Tai considering he is a multimillionare. It’s a lot easier for them be begrudgingly claim Brad played better then Tai a year removed from Brads assholeisshness

        • purplerockandy

          We don’t really have any data to suggest that juries give a shit about someone’s personal level of wealth when picking the winner to their season.

          • Head Architect Sylvia

            This isn’t like, welfare.

          • DrVanNostrand

            It’s not my fault that you suck at life.

          • Hornacek

            “I’ve been on food stamps and welfare, did anybody help me out? No. No.”

          • Earl had a successful career in advertising and beat Dreamz, a former homeless person.

            Yul, an Ivy-educated lawyer, beat Ozzy, a guy who worked at a restaurant.

            The one argument you could maybe lean on here is that perhaps the Samoa jury cared that Russell and Mick had more money than Natalie.

          • Diego Armando

            Jaison did state at one point that Natalie wasn’t particularly poor.

          • Right, but of the three she likely made the least. At least if you believe Russell’s claims of his own wealth.

          • purplerockandy

            Boston Rob’s wife won a million dollars on television. He and she had much of their life financed by various reality TV shows in the time since. No one cared that Natalie had no money or… anything about Phillip.

            Richard Hatch was obviously more successful and well off than Kelly Wiglesworth.

          • Hornacek

            Brian Heidik had a grand piano and 2 cars.

          • tocantins

            I don’t know; none of those examples seem the same. Brad is AFAIK a multimillionaire. Winning a million dollars at Survivor would likely not change his life in any direct way. (Just change numbers in some investment account.)

            Yul, Earl, Heidk, Boston Rob, they all didn’t need the money, but they all could use it for something.

            But in the end, the fact is like Andy said, we just don’t know.

          • purplerockandy

            I could see it being a tiebreaker if people are having a tough time deciding. I also don’t think many jurors have a tough time deciding.

          • Brad could use the money for something too. I bet he doesn’t have a helicopter yet, for instance.

            My general point was that even in cases where there is a fairly obvious disparity in terms of the finances of the potential winners, it hasn’t often been that the jury rewards the most impoverished person.

      • tocantins

        I don’t think that Brad’s mistake was nowhere near as bad as Woo’s. First, no one still in the island knew that Sarah was so hyped at the jury. (Nor that she got the LA from Sierra after voting her out, or that she got Michaela’s advantage from underneath her.) Of the three other players in the island, none of them even suggested that they should take Sarah out. (Even Tai, who was the other possible boot!)

        And it is not obvious at all that Tai was going to lose at FTC. (I never trust those reunion voting.) He had found 3 idols, and he is a likeable person.

        • DrVanNostrand

          It wasn’t as bad as Woo, and I don’t believe reunion hypothetical votes either. For example, I don’t think Ozzy would’ve voted for Tai over Brad the challenge god. But Brad vs. Tai probably would’ve been closer than Brad vs. Sarah. They may not have known how strong she’d be at FTC, but there were plenty of people who realized that Sarah was a legit threat.

          • Hornacek

            I’ve said before that they should do those hypothetical votes immediately after the FTC and then Jeff can decide whether to air them during the finale.

    • indescribable hat

      I agree that it wouldn’t sting like it does now if it had been new players. We wouldn’t have known what we were really losing when all our favorites went out.

      To me this season feels kind of like a lesser version of how I feel about Cagayan. There’s reasonably exciting gameplay, but the stories and characters don’t grab me the way they do in my favorite seasons (I realize this is an unpopular way to feel about Cagayan, which, rest assured, I do far prefer to Game Changers).

      • I think the editing is the number one downfall of this season…yes, even more than the twists. We got storylines that didn’t go anywhere, 2 final 6 members who we knew were doomed, and edits that just random shift so suddenly it is not even fun. While the gameplay may be good, the storytelling around it was godawful.

        • DrVanNostrand

          Yes, THIS!

        • Seriously, what the fuck was with spotlighting the fact that Cirie can’t win a challenge, and then having it build to…Cirie getting voted out with no votes? Was it entirely to service Sarah’s story talking about Cirie at FTC? Because that could’ve easily been edited out.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            “Was it entirely to service Sarah’s story…?”

            That phrase caused the light bulb to go off over my head. Sarah was able to grab the advantage that was under the sit-out bench because everybody was in the hold of the boat. Also, the boat was visible in the shot of her swimming over and grabbing it. The scene with Cirie after the challenge was necessary to explain the presence of the boat. I’ll bet they tried editing the challenge without the Cirie stuff and it just felt off. That Sarah was the first to go help Cirie was just gravy.

          • Ah, that could be it. Otherwise it’s just such an odd narrative to feature.

          • Ms_Woozah

            Wow. Yeah. That has to be it.

          • prettyboyprobst

            On the gravy: Brad was actually the one who was asking for someone from Cirie’s team to “go and help her” (captioned and all). Then Sarah decided to jump in, so it also helped to further set up Sarah’s biggest competition, the tender-hearted alpha male Brad Culpepper.

          • Diego Armando

            And why did we get so much “Look how awesome and great Brad is” if they were going to lean into his brutishness in the final episode? Why not let him be a villain who gets humiliated?

          • Because they had to at least maintain the idea that someone else might win? Given what we’d seen through 13 episodes, it certainly wasn’t going to be Aubry or Troy. And it was unlikely it would be Cirie or Tai.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Not everything is cooked up in the edit. I have no problem believing that Brad did and said all the right things in the beginning, then was out of in in the middle and turned into an asshole at the end as hunger and fatigue set in.

          • Ms_Woozah

            It could also highlight why people were so turned off by him at the end – he was nice in the beginning then started treating people like shit, while Sarah was able to maintain herself throughout.

          • DrewS96

            Brad’s edit really wasn’t that great. His main ally called him an idiot. Hali made him look bad at the joint tribal. His alliance building with Troy was silly and a poor excuse for a pregame alliance.

            I didn’t really see people that hyped up on Brad after the first few episodes. He looked strong thru Caleb’s boot, but after that he just had a mediocre alpha male edit. It is actually a weak alpha male edit seeing he made the FTC.

          • Diego Armando

            That was wayyyy too early to be that certain of his failure. And stop claiming that Sierra (a villain) calling him an idiot had any bearing whatsoever on the story.

            Congrats on being right, but please don’t be so “This was so obvious due to negligible factor x about it”. I do hope you enjoyed the season and had fun on our site . We just have a long bitter history with EDGIC.

        • Other Scott

          I don’t know if the editing was to blame as much as there just wasn’t much of a story to tell. Like what are they gonna give Aubry screentime about? I think it would be almost even more depressing to have her get screentime and watch everything she tried crumble into dust.

    • Max_Jets

      Sure, the gameplay has been good, but this is also possibly the dullest final 3 of all time regardless of the players being new or returning. I also agree with @disqus_GpYJ355BVM:disqus that the editing has been pretty bad season – there’s no gameplay to admire if we don’t know why anything is happening, there’s few interesting interactions, there’s little compelling storytelling. Throw some All Stars type gameplay based on reputation in the early going in and a Fiji bad twist of a tribal council (classic Fiji) and you have quite the mess of a season.

    • Other Scott

      I think All Star Seasons are a different animal, people judge based a lot on how previous season favourites do rather than coming in judging everyone based on a blank slate. I think Sarah would be much more popular if she wasn’t on a season where people already had rooting interests, even despite how bad of a confessionalist she is. Also I think the season would be looked on better if the Tony, Malcolm, Sandra and Cirie stuff didn’t happen to players we were already heavily invested in.

  • PurpleTally

    Have officially gained confirmation that Matt and Mark are not the same person.
    If Mark was really Matt running this liveblog, that would have been some wizardry far beyond the skills of even our own favorite witch, Barbara Anderson.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I’ve always know they’re not the same. The question is: “Which is which?”

      • Sylvisual

        How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

        • Mike Hirsch

          Three.

          • Hornacek

            “Dad, it’s a rhetorical question. It doesn’t have an answer.”
            “Rhetorical, eh … Seven!”

  • indescribable hat

    Are Cirie and Sandra cool now? I’ve seen them stand or sit near each other several times and I need to know!

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I don’t know if this has been said, but it should be pointed out that @hornacek:disqus would have been number one on the list if he live blogged instead of posting a collection of Random Thoughts.

    • Hornacek

      Unfortunately I don’t like live-blogging and am too used to writing up an email and then posting it after the episode. Plus I like DVRing the episode, starting it 15 minutes in so I can fast forward the commercials and still end when the show normally ends.

      Maybe one of these seasons I should join the 21st century and give it a try.

  • Vagabond

    After seeing the first tribal of the finale, I have no desire to watch the rest of this travesty. Thank you for confirming that I made the right decision every single comment on this site.

  • corndogshuffle

    Well, for what it’s worth, I actually kinda liked the idea of “FTC as an open forum”. Sarah feels like a really solid and satisfying winner, especially compared to how I felt about the last few winners. I know a lot of people didn’t think she was interesting, but I’ve heard Sunkist comments made about Kim who I consider the GOAT so there you go (no, I’m not even close to putting Sarah in Kim’s tier).

    I don’t want to focus on the negative, so that’s my bit for the moment. Glad Sarah won and hoping that HHH is like Millennials vs. Gen X – shitty theme for a fun season.

    • I made the comment a couple of weeks ago that Sarah feels like a beta Kim.

      • Diego Armando

        She is more Beta Tony, since she flopped around a bunch, while Kim stayed loyal to a core group.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I hated the way Jeff broke up the phases of the game. Note that Sarah just brought up her social strategy during the physical part anyway. And all the jurors are going to weigh all the facets however they want, so the distinctions are meaningless.

      However, the more open forum, where the jurors interact with each other, and the finalists more openly, I thought worked extremely well. I wouldn’t be surprised if they hold on to that.

      • Mike Hirsch

        I liked how Aubry was able to kind of mediate the forum and explain certain people’s questions.

        • DrVanNostrand

          I’ll take any chance to let Aubry shine in this tire fire of a season.

    • Max_Jets

      Sarah may be monotonous as hell in confessionals, but I think she played at least a top 10 winning game if not better.

      • Diego Armando

        For me it is top half, but we have had a lot of more dynamic players who played similarly dominant games for a guaranteed top 10.

    • Maritimer

      I share that hope. The cast that has been spoiled so far looks like they could be good and entertaining. But that’s mostly based on just pictures

  • Ethan Kyle

    I need a break, I … don’t want to deal with this … like at all god this season is just such a drain

  • 5/24 is my birthday and my present was the least objectionable of the final three winning. Yay?

    • DrVanNostrand

      I found Brad slightly less objectionable, but mostly because I fucking hate edgic-ers.

      • I didn’t necessarily have a problem with Brad…that is, until this episode. He just couldn’t contain his essential Fuck-You-Brad-Culpepperosity, and that cost him. As PRP said multiple times, he had to keep everything wrapped up to win. Once he unwrapped, he lost.

        • DrVanNostrand

          Yes, he was a total asshole to Tai here. And without a doubt, I like Tai way more than him.

        • Whereas Troy needed to keep everything wrapped up to win, and the problem with that strategy is that no wrapping exists that is large enough to contain his everything.

      • Diego Armando

        I would have been happy for 10 seconds if Brad won as a SCREW YOU EDGIC, but then would be bummed that we got a crappy winner. I hope a lot of Edgicers felt the same after Michele.

        • purplerockandy

          Some did.

        • DrewS96

          I was sad all season that I knew Michele would win. I nearly prayed they were tricking us and Aubry or Cydney would pull out the win on finale night. But I knew it wouldn’t happen. Just like I knew several episodes into this season that Sarah pretty much couldn’t lose. That was a bummer. At least she played a worthy game of winning.

    • Wait, also black long-sleeved T-shirt Probst. That’s my biannual present.

    • Happy birthday!

    • StormofCuteness

      But but but at least the new FTC jury thing was fun, right?

      Also, Happy Birthday!!

    • Mike Hirsch

      Happy (late) birthday!

    • True Alainer

      Happy birthday, and yes, be thankful. On my birthday, I got Michaela & Andrea booted.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Happy belated!

    • Dezbot

      Happy birthday!

    • Violina23

      Happy Belated Birthday!

  • Ethan Kyle

    ok now that I’ve calmed down a little bit … *sigh* This whole season has been a mess, its like they realized they fucked up my making Brad so likable and overcompensating by aking him completely invisible at the merge and have him suddenly go batshit in the finale

    • Prom King

      But how did they make him do things that he actually did? In the beginning he was top of his game, relaxed, friendly, and connecting with people. In the middle, Sierra took control and he laid low. In the end, ego and a long game took its toll and his inner asshole came out. I don’t find anything mysterious about his edit (other than it convinced me to like him in the beginning despite my own mother saying I shouldn’t).

    • Maritimer

      Brad was just about everything wrong with the edit this season

    • sabina1509

      maybe we all liked the Monica side of him. he should have stuck with the WWMD thing…instead of going with WWBD and being a total douchebag.

  • sharculese

    Oh, I forgot about the depressing thing that happened during FTC. when I was shit-talking Ozzy roommate asked me “isn’t that one of the guys you like?” and it took me a second to realize she was confusing Ozzy with Malcolm.

    • DrVanNostrand

      This is why I don’t have roommates. Murder is never worth it.

      • Ethan Kyle

        Yes it is

        • prettyboyprobst

          It depends.

  • Prom King

    HAHAHA! I’m not finished watching yet but that part during reunion when Probst is basically made a fool of by Brad and TROYZAN and everyone’s expressions during his tortured attempt to make a point to Brad… hilarious! Troyzan giving him a little courtesy clap… Sarah’s frown and shaking head… Brad’s rolled eyes… Probst looking genuinely insulted and then giving up… maybe one of my favorite parts of this weird season. I hope Jeffrey has been taught a valuable lesson.

    • tocantins

      I didn’t even bother to watch this season’s reunion, but after reading your comment I took a look (only this part), and it was definitely worth it. Best part of the night. Jeff was such a drag this entire season (capped by his brilliant speech before opening the urn), and it is good that at least he did get some comeuppance this season.

      • Prom King

        It was delightful! I wish I had a freeze frame of his sour, grumpy expression when he realized he had just been successfully shamed by the cast.

    • prettyboyprobst

      I don’t know. I also think that whole segment was hilarious and a strong contender for Best 2-3 Minutes of the Night, but while Probst did take some Flak in the back-and-forth, I thought he handled that exchange pretty well and I loved that he stayed undeterred and kept going on, showing Brad who’s the Boss. FYBC got some good points in on why this is a futile exercise, but if Jeffrey wants to call you out for your dumb moves, you’re not going to talk your way out f it.

      • Prom King

        Eh, I don’t think Probst should be calling anyone out on dumb moves, or what he thinks are dumb moves. I’m not too interested in his opinion. And I hate that whole “who would you vote for if…” scenario because it is so far after the events, it is a basically meaningless exercise. I was reminded of an old boss when listening to him petulantly insist that everyone play his stupid little game, a guessing game that was somehow supposed to prove some tortured point, and then didn’t. Ugh!

  • Parvatis2Idols

    I’m so proud of Sandra for winning a third time unanimously what a Queen 🙂 🙂 🙂

  • StormofCuteness

    Just got here (stupid PST) and wanted to thank you Matt for your really fantastic liveblogs! Like you mentioned, it’s the people here who make this one of the best communities I’ve ever found, and I’m so grateful to get to enjoy Survivor with all of you.

    Zeke made me emotional (again) tonight because like him, I utilized watching a lot of seasons to get through my own depression. While I certainly am not physically able to make the choice to play the game, it did bring me here with like-minded people who love this game. Yay for change and moving forward and all that good stuff in the midst of all the horrible things happening daily right now (and omg, I was so impressed that Ozzy said the same!).

  • UseYourCommonSense

    -Brad is a complete douche. The way he was talking to Tai showed that he has zero social skills. I am so glad he lost.

    -Troyzan is a clueless douche and I’m glad he got shut out.

    -Ozzie is completely humorless and self-important.

    -Sarah played a very good game, Top 5 imo. Its too hard to compare her to Kim because Sarah won a returning player season which is a totally different beast than a newbie season.

    This was a shitty season in general, really horrible.

  • forever1267

    Thank you for all your work here. You make the show even more fun than it already is. Thank you!!!

  • Prom King

    Surprisingly enjoyable finale, all things considered. I wasn’t hopeful after last week but there were some good moments.

    Definitely not my favorite incarnation of Cirie, but I love everything about her so I’m still pretty happy with what I got. She had a happily upbeat exit and more of Everybody Loves Cirie, and I guess that’s all I can hope for. After this season, Sandra still holds #1 favorite spot but Cirie is still a solid #2. I may have to rethink my #3 JT though. Looks like Yau-Man’s moving up a notch!

    While thinking of rankings, Sarah is a pretty solid winner for me when looking at how she played (rather than how much I enjoyed her as a character). Not Top 10 but up there. A little below Denise and little above Natalie.

    I really enjoyed the new format of final tribal council.

    Favorite part of the finale was that strangely sad and eerie music they played when Brad basically admitted he had not bothered to get to know Michaela.

    • Other Scott

      Oh I think Sarah is well within the top 5. Like maybe top 3.

  • turgid_legume

    Brad – always and forever an asshole. Interior decorator Brad was a sham. Doesn’t really understand this game.

    Troy – 100% useless, 100% clueless. Sorry about your ACL though I guess. Please go away from Survivor now.

    Sarah – I mean, if one of the three has to win it definitely needs to be her, and there were honestly parts of her game where I was like, “god damn!”, specifically the fact that she wasn’t targeted at all after idol-gasm. I thought for sure she was dead in the water as soon as she lost the challenge.

    Varner – we thought your sass was charming, but it turns out that you’re just a raging narcissist shitstain. Die in a fire or something. You should not have been at the reunion, let alone allowed to speak, let alone allowed to plug. Wipe that stupid grin off your face.

    Tai – my god man, you are not built for this game. I can’t believe he’s willing to return.

    Aubry – girl, you fucking rock but this season does not go on your highlight reel at all.

    Producers – keep the new jury format, but get rid of the forced talking points. I don’t blame you for the Cirie vote, but maybe consider doing just a tad less in the future, including maybe not so many swaps. But keep the shit that works — all idols should have to be obtained at challenges. That’s good TV.

    This season – somewhere between 25th and 40th percentile, I’d say. Potentially higher as time goes by, but the Varner ugliness and the shitty endgame and blandness of winner will forever haunt it.

    HHH – meh. Whatever. Will the world even exist in September?

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      “Whatever. Will the world even exist in September?”

      The world? Maybe. America? Probably not :/

    • Other Scott

      I really think it’s unfair to judge Brad as a person because of his last 4 days in the game. Like when you get hungry and tired I think most people become a grumpy ass. It was a good story to watch his game collapse though out of the arrogance of winning all those immunities.

      • Diego Armando

        Also when you spend lots of together time with the same people (like a family trip), you eventually get to the point where you snap at them. That does not excuse him breaking Tai though.

      • Neutral Username

        I think its possible that “stongarm bully” was just a misjudged tactic from Brad. I guess it still has to be a part of you, but the game can exaggerate certain aspects of your character. It really did seem like he had been checked out of the social side of the game for a few weeks now, realising that the only for him to win was to challenge beast. On the one hand I can understand that, on the other hand I truly believe that I would never treat someone that way in any circumstances. Is it fair to judge someone on their worst moment?

        Yes, because they chose to be on television.

        • DrVanNostrand

          Hey, I’d respect strongarm bully as a strategy if it worked. The problem is that it really didn’t work. And to make things worse, Brad sent him to the jury so he could tell everyone about what an asshole he was.

        • Prom King

          It was ugh to watch but it’s not something I see as a terminal problem. I just needed to think of some of my own friends, past and present, to realize that. Some guys, especially jocks, are aggressive, overly competitive dicks when it comes to games. Then they turn around post-game and are as sweet as pie.

          And to connect the story dots, one of the guys I’m thinking of is a trans man, so there’s that. Pointless but interesting, to me at least.

          • Something Quirky

            Well, if you buy into Debbie’s testosterone theory it would be interesting to see if trans men got more aggressive/competitive when taking more hormones, and then with or without increased exposure to other guys behaving in that way.

          • Prom King

            Well I don’t buy into anything that Debbie is selling, so I may have to rethink my own ideas!

          • Neutral Username

            Sure. Its interesting how we can see someone lying and betraying and say that’s just game, but threatening a browbeating (without violence) are indications of character.

            I think there is something to that, but it might just be that Brad is less empathetic and has experienced people acting that way in the heat of competition.

            I don’t want to go too hard in defending him because he did admit culpability, but I believe most people are not malicious and often perceive their actions in a different way than I do.

            Of course if Sandra did the same thing to Tai we would be fine. And if she did it to Brad we would have loved it. Of course that’s because there is inherent power in being a large male so its not exactly the same thing. But the line is more blurry than we like to admit to ourselves.

      • tocantins

        It is interesting how Brad asking Tai to give him his idol or go home makes him a bad person, but Michaela telling Brad to go fish for them because he is on the bottom and he is going home is endearing.

        • Max_Jets

          People have definitely been inconsistent about this stuff in the past, but the way Brad was talking to Tai was not comparable at all to the way Michaela was talking to Brad.

          Either way, Michaela wanted Brad to stay in the game. She wanted him to fish so that he would be more useful and so people would know he wasn’t looking for an idol. She just sucked at telling him that.

          • tocantins

            Maybe I need to rewatch the scene, but that was not at all the impression I got. Michaela didn’t want Brad to stay; her plan was to vote him out. She just wanted to eat fish before happened, since he was the only one fishing there. (And not have to go out into the woods to see if he was looking for an idol.)

          • Max_Jets

            I am more going off Michaela’s explanation post show, but I would still disagree that they’re comparable even just from watching the scenes. Michaela was rude, but the way Brad was talking to Tai was gross. I like Brad just fine, but not in those moments.

          • tocantins

            Yes, I guess I was pushing too far my argument; I just feel that often people are (very ironically) just like Sierra: if the players they don’t like even breathe the wrong way, they are the evil incarnate.

            Another example of this that grated me is Troy. Troy has been very likeable and nice this season; we didn’t get even a single bad scene from him. (Admittedly, we barely got any scene at all.) Yet, every time he appeared, people were like, “Ugh! This Troy guy is horrible! How dare him recognize he lost FTC and be nice and friendly to the jury!”

          • Max_Jets

            Haha, this is very true. Troy seems like a fine person, I just don’t enjoy him on my TV.

          • Prom King

            It was fun pretending to hate Troy this season! I did actually dislike him in his first season but this season he didn’t do anything that irritated me, other than being there in the first place. He was even rather endearing at final tribal. Much like Brad, I like him quite a bit more after seeing him in this season. Now he just seems like a sorta goofy, sorta sweet guy who is basically inoffensive.

          • Hornacek

            I think she explained it like this in her exit interviews, but I think there is also a secret scene where she says she was trying to keep Brad but she didn’t do it well.

        • Other Scott

          I was in discussions with a Zeke hater during the episode who was furious with Zeke for schilling for Sarah but loved Michaela the juror. I was like “Michaela is pulling hard for Sarah too, she’s just slightly less direct about it”

        • Prom King

          But that’s not why she did that. This is info I guess you can only get from watching secret scenes and reading exit interviews, but Michaela wasn’t trying to bully him, she was giving him actual advice so that he wasn’t such a target. It was actually in his best interest, not hers. She just communicated that terribly.

      • Violina23

        I think being under that stress eroded his patience and his filter. I think he is used to getting what he wants, and couldn’t handle when it wasn’t going his way. I have very little sympathy for him. He was straight-up bullying Tai.

  • UseYourCommonSense

    Also, who is Debbie to get on her high horse when she FALSIFIED KATRINA LAB TESTS? Its always the people who are highest on their horses that have the worst skeletons in their closets.

    Also Varner is a complete famewhore. He’s milking this opportunity in the most disgusting manner.

    • Salz

      When Varner plugged his book my jaw hit the floor. He’s actually going to profit off of all this?!? Horrifying

      • Not if the book doesn’t sell any copies.

        • Salz

          Fingers crossed he sells literally zero copies!!

          • Unfortunately, if he’s going through a traditional publisher, he’ll receive an advance on royalties, which he’ll get to keep even if no one buys a copy. It’ll be the publisher who takes the hit.

            You could, of course, argue that any publisher who takes this on would deserve for that to happen though.

          • Right. And if I recall, he only suggested that he was writing a book, not that he’d gotten a book deal. He may mean that he’s just writing something in hopes of selling it, either via self-publishing or selling to a publisher.

  • indescribable hat

    Have we mentioned Sandra’s VERY on-brand tiara? I cannot get enough of how much she knows she’s amazing.

    • Ms_Woozah

      there was NOT NEARLY enough of her at the reunion.

      • One of my favorite reunion moments was during Zeke saying that he got to go on adventures with Ozzy, Cirie, and Sandra, which caused Sandra to do the whole “Me” and smacked him on the shoulder. Sandra seemed to be the one of the few to have a good time last night.

      • Dezbot

        There was not nearly enough of her in the game.

        Yes, I’m still bitter about her boot.

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    Super late here on the west coast. My kid couldn’t watch live (studying for finals) and I didn’t want him distracted or spoiled so I had to wait until he went to bed.

    As I said, super late so I’ll just lay down some markers.

    I liked the season more than most here but even for me it’s squarely in the upper-bottom half.

    The finale was the season in microcosm. Awful boot order, some twists that worked and some that backfired, and just about the best possible outcome under the circumstances.

    People are upset about advantagepalooza but if Cirie hadn’t been the victim,would it have really been that bad? Also it’s not production’s fault that the advantages fell into the “wrong” hands or that the possessors all held onto them until F6. That said, maybe it’s time for an expiration date on HIIs, like five votes maybe?

    I love massive mazes and obstacle courses in the finale.

    I really like the new FTC system although it needs work. The Outwit-Outplay-Outlast framework is ill-conceived and there’s a risk (greater than before I mean) of Probst putting his thumb on the scale.

    FTC Hali, Andrea, Michaela, and Aubry: Dayum!

    Sarah’s gormless demeanor and Trump support is obscuring the fact that she played a great game, and won in a way that’s really hard to pull off, particularly for a woman. Similarly, the various disappointments of the season are obscuring the fact that we had something
    closer to a live FTC than Survivor usually gets, with a clear “why X won” narrative for the winner and a “why Y lost” for the runner up. That hasn’t happened since, South Pacific maybe?

    • Head Architect Sylvia

      The finale was the season in microcosm. Awful boot order, some twists that worked and some that backfired, and just about the best possible outcome under the circumstances.

      And it’s a microcosm for the rest of the world, that we all need to unite as a people, to change the way the United States is going, and we need to make better decisions on how the United States is run.

      • Something Quirky

        He used that word like four times, at least.

        • Head Architect Sylvia

          True. And thank god he did, it really got the point across, I knew exactly what he was talking about.

  • Figaro

    I alllllmost (Almost. I said almost. Don’t ban me) felt sorry for Troy at the end of the final tribal council when he was basically like ‘I know that none of you are going to vote for me, but I just wanted to express how much of a fan of the show I am and how much getting to play means to me’.
    Like, I get it. I love the show too and getting to play would be an amazing experience, but that doesn’t make you a good or interesting player, and you’re depriving viewers of an actual game-changer on their screens. Please stay at home and love Survivor from your couch in the future Troyzan.

    • Head Architect Sylvia

      Felt sorry for him too. Literally no questions for him at FTC and that edit was so underdeveloped considering he made the final three. I’m pleased he at least got a nice moment to shine at the reunion and didn’t get the Sherri treatment.

    • Mike Hirsch

      This episode features two of Troy’s better moments: when he says “it’s so emotional…nah it’s just the smoke” in reference to his tears on the final day, and his realization of what the rest of us have known all along: he had no shot at winning. He handled that about as well as I’ve seen anyone. It was, dare I say it, nice? Gracious, even?

      The world is on it’s ass.

      • turgid_legume

        Yeah, he did at least best other top zero-vote goats like Albert in his graciousness at the end. So at least he’s got that going for him?

    • Something Quirky

      He also had a moment with Tai (“friends forever”) that was nice.

  • Head Architect Sylvia

    I really liked nice guy strategic Brad at the pre-merge then he was pretty dull during most of the merge, then I REALLY enjoyed angry bully Brad this episode. Tai is a sweetheart but for some reason I thought Brad treating him like a two year old demanding his idol was super entertaining. Terrible gameplay though. I think Brad was really switched on and playing well at the beginning of the season and then things gradually kept going downhill as his enjoyment of the game/energy levels went down and by the last few episodes it was pretty evident that he really wasn’t having a good time and he seemed to just want to wrap things up as quickly as possible and as effortlessly as possible.

    I don’t really think some of the comments stating “we’re finally seeing the real Brad” are fair, I believe what he said at the reunion, it was just how he reacted under the circumstances and he probably wasn’t quite there mentally. On top of exhaustion/enjoyment he probably stopped with a lot of the social aspect of the game when he realised he could survive by winning challenges.

    I’ve enjoyed Tai for most of the season, like last time he was on, and he had some really great/emotional moments but I don’t really think I need to see him a third time, he’s too exhausting to watch.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I agree with all of this. I sort of viewed Brad’s late game behavior as him giving up a little bit, not necessarily as “the true Brad” coming out. But I also think that it’s possible for people to be multifaceted, so he can be the neat guy from the early season, the boring guy from the middle and the angry guy from the end without any of it being fake. You could tell they were all emaciated and exhausted by this season, so by the end they were all losing it a bit. Of course, when I saw him being so harsh and bully-ish with Tai, I knew two things: 1) Brad ain’t winning this and 2) he’s going to be so blinded by his frustration that he’ll go after Tai instead of taking out Sarah at the final 4 like he should have. In a final 3 of Brad, Troy and Tai – Brad wins easily, right?

      • Head Architect Sylvia

        He honestly looked so depressed in the last three episodes (at least, maybe for longer than that). I think soon after he lost the majority post-merge he basically conceded defeat and then that snowballed into really negative behaviour and a reliance to win challenges.

        Oh, absolutely, he’s definitely multifaceted and highly flawed, I agree that he can be all of those people depending on the situation, I just don’t think its fair when I see comments saying Brad is a inherently a terrible person and a bully. He certainly has a lot of negative traits and a lot of positive traits and it’s a shame all the negativity came out towards the end of the game when it mattered the most. Given the circumstances though, it’s forgivable.

        I know, my heart sank when he got all of that negative content, I was holding on to a sliver of hope before that. I wish he took Tai. You’d think he’d win easily, which is why I thought it was odd when Probst queried the jury and there was a 5-5 split on a hypothetical Tai/Brad scenario.

        • Other Scott

          I think 6-4 is reasonable. I can definitely believe Cirie, Michaela, Aubry and Sarah would all be voting for tie. I think Ozzy just raised his hand to force Probst to reveal the tiebreaker.

          • Yeah, the idea that Ozzy would switch his vote to Tai was funny, since Ozzy was one of the few people that actually had voted for Brad.

            Either Ozzy was trolling there (the most likely case), or he was thinking “Oh, Tai beat me in a challenge that I am good at, and therefore he is good at Survivor.”

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Ozzy’s jury technique seemed to be to say things that were great about himself and somehow try to relate them to a finalist. So, a Brad vs. Tai FTC would have probably been his best case scenario. “As someone who has played the most days in the game and is tied for most challenges won in a single season….Tai stayed on that pole longer than I did that one time, so he obviously deserves to win the America’s best pole clinger contest…I mean, Survivor.”

          • BadPlayer91

            Really, his jury technique is to use the FTC as a way to reaffirm his own skills. Brad allowed him to talk about his skills as a challenge beast and a provider, Tai would have also provided that same outlet. In Micronesia, Amanda let him talk both about his challenge skills and what a hot, lovable guy he is. He even got to talk about how he has a heart, and how he is so capable of love. What a perfect guy.

          • And Sophie showed that she took his “you’re a bitch(or something alone those lines” comment at F5 Part Deux tribal to heart along with the fact that she beat him at FIC.

          • To be fair, 90% of Survivors do this. They just aren’t often as overtly focused on challenge skill.

          • indescribable hat

            Yeah and I like it because they’re usually stumping for skills I value in myself.

          • Other Scott

            I didn’t even think of that second rationale. That would be hilarious. Sadly it’s unlikely.

          • Figaro

            Tai’s Ponderosa video sheds a little bit of light on this. Reading into Ozzy’s comments about Tai it seems like they were close and that Ozzy values Tai for their mutual appreciation of the outdoor-living/’surviving’ aspect of the game. I’d be willing to believe he’d vote for Tai based on that.

      • turgid_legume

        Everyone that makes it to day 39 has experienced that same exhaustion, but not everyone lets it turn them into a raging asshole. Nobody was describing Kim as “decent until emaciated, and then a real shit.”

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          100% true. I totally agree that Brad’s late game behavior must reflect his personality, I just think that his early game behavior probably did in some way too. But you’re right, a good player can hold it together better than Brad did even in the worst circumstances.

  • Cinnamon Owl

    Yo, CBS:
    If you’re going to have a clicker on the front page for watching “all” last night’s Survivor episodes, maybe don’t lead with the reunion show? Which opens with Jeff congratulating the winner?

    • indescribable hat

      Ugh that has happened to me with previous seasons. I understand.

  • PurpleTally

    I kind of think I see why the show finally revealed the tiebreaker (which obviously hasn’t always been the tiebreaker, because it only works with a final 3). I think Probst thinks it might help people stop bringing a goat to the final. I don’t know how well it’ll work in actually preventing that, but I can see how they’d think it.

    • I don’t think it stops people from bringing a goat to the finale. It encourages them to make sure they can bring two.

      • PurpleTally

        I don’t necessarily think it works, but I think the show really wants people to stop bringing goats to the end, so they’re just trying anything.
        Though, if they really want people to not bring goats to the end, perhaps they shouldn’t do the thing of “if you brought so-and-so to the end, you would have won.”

        • The best thing Brad did all night was to try to cut short that charade. Although it did lead to the reveal of the tie-breaker, so I begrudgingly accept Probst plowing through Brad’s objections.

          • But it seems like Probst was going to reveal who voted for who at FTC with footage, which meant that we wouldn’t have to wait until the after show to find out that Sierra was the third Brad vote.

        • BadPlayer91

          The entire rational and concept of bringing a goat to the end is very sound. So I feel like the only way to stop it would be a major shift in how Survivor is played. However, if that is what production wants, they are better off finding a way to make goats more of a target earlier in the game. They aren’t going to convince many smart players to bring their biggest competition to the finale, and those who they do convince (the Ozzy’s and Woo’s of the world), were probably going to make that choice with or without production’s help.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Two plausible options I see for at least discouraging bringing goats to the end:
            -Switch between final 2 and final 3 randomly from season to season. This could disrupt players’ ability to lock down their plans and necessitate bringing a close ally into the final 3 to ensure that they pick you in the event it goes to a final 2.
            -BETTER CASTING!!! I can’t stress enough how casting fewer all around duds could improve the finals. Obviously this wouldn’t completely prevent villains or strategically inert players from being dragged to the end, but if they at least attempted to fill casts entirely with fun, interesting and skilled players, maybe we wouldn’t see so many obvious/disappointing FTCs

          • BadPlayer91

            I agree that switching might help, but I also hate final 2’s, so I also don’t want that, lol.

          • Please see HvV as a prime example.

          • BadPlayer91

            For some reason this just reminded me that we were one twist away from a Parvati-Amanda-Cirie final 3.

          • purplerockandy

            Good players become goats as the season goes on. Spencer Bledsoe went from being the number one target preseason to a goat by the end of Cambodia.

      • hardcöre umlaut

        Or it just ensures that they bring a goat who is loyal to them. That way the get the benefit of allying with someone and never having to vote them out. The jury essential votes out the FTC loser.

  • Alkanarra

    Here’s my solution: once you find an idol, you only have three votes to use it.

    That way a non-threat can’t coast until the end, it will ensure idols re-enter circulation (maybe you can cut down the number in play), and it opens up more scenarios of idols being given away if the holder feels safe and it’s their last chance.

    • Mike Hirsch

      I didn’t hate what happened with Cirie but I’m ok with this idea. It could actually, you know, change the game.

      • Alkanarra

        And it’s also not as big of a deal if someone knows you have an idol. Instead of “they’re a threat until it’s gone” it becomes “oh, they’re only a threat for another vote or two.” They could still be blindsided because of it, but it’s not as much of a risk of being voted out. You could also use having an idol as leverage or realistically convince someone you’re willing to share it since it will have an expiration point.

    • Other Scott

      I think you just don’t allow more than two idols to be in the game at any time. And ditch the legacy advantage, I love how Sarah got it this season but as a whole it doesn’t work.

      The way things turned out was more bad luck than something specifically bad production did though. The same amount of idols and advantages were in play last season they just didn’t get hoarded.

      • Alkanarra

        I just feel like they need an actual counter-hoarding measure rather than saying “oh well that was bad luck.” If you *need* an idol, you’ll be using it in those three votes. Otherwise it might as well go back in circulation.

        The counterpoint is this change would have screwed people like Tony and Boston Rob, so it’s definitely not a foolproof solution.

        • It wouldn’t necessarily have screwed them – you can always go out and find it again. Plenty of people have played an idol and then gone out to search for it once they’re rehidden.

          Also…if your game hinges on being able to protect yourself with an idol, is it really THAT great a game?

          • indescribable hat

            For Rob at least a big part of how it was useful to him was that he could know that no one else had it and be more complete control of the game, which is a smart way of thinking about the idol strategically but admittedly doesn’t always make for the most exciting television.

          • purplerockandy

            If your game hinges on no one ever thinking you’re worth targeting, is it really THAT great a game?

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          This could be a fun rule change, too, depending on how exactly they design it. Maybe if you find the idol but don’t touch it, you could leave it there until you need it. BUT you would run the risk that someone else could find it in the meantime, especially if they continue to release new clues. I think it would add a bit of drama and suspense.

          • That could be interesting.

          • BadPlayer91

            I definitely think a good idea would just to be sure that all the things do get played at once. Make some idols work at final 6, some at final 5, vary things up so there just isn’t any way to get the big slew of them. But as noted, these same set of rules worked made much less of a mess last season.

            Also, it is infinitely badass to say Cirie left the game without a single vote against her. It’s like she got up and said “Nah, i’m good” and just sauntered out.

        • Other Scott

          I don’t mind hoarding. Like if someone finds an idol I don’t think they should be disadvantaged because they’re a good enough player that they need it more at F7 than F11

        • purplerockandy

          Forcing people to play an idol when they don’t need it doesn’t seem exactly fair.

          Tai and Troy didn’t need to play their idols until they did. It’s a tough break, but them’s the breaks.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            It’s not about fair, it’s about good TV, and hoarding an idol generally isn’t good TV.

            Plus, if someone never needs their idol and it expires, now they have an extremely convincing fake idol.

      • Only being able to hold one immunity idol at a time could help as well. In recent memory Tony, Jeremy and Tai have all held multiple idols at the same time.

        • the sky is falling

          If that were the case, Tony wouldn’t have won Cagayan and James Clement wouldn’t have gone home with two idols in his pocket. No thanks!

        • Max_Jets

          But then you don’t get fun Malcolm/Parvati moments. & Val can’t strategize with those rules! It’s a tricky balance.

        • Other Scott

          I don’t mind that so much because it leads to plays like the Three Amigos, Parvati, and this one from Tai. As long as all the players aren’t protected that’s the main thing.

  • Head Architect Sylvia

    Also, did anyone else initially think it was Hannah in the trailer? I definitely did for about half a second and it was very confusing.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1b4c3528825af6361e3f766a60dfabb9354324f86a7901384970ac7a766876e5.jpg

    • Well, for a second I thought Jeremy was on the Heroes tribe, so anything is possible.

  • Crappy

    I thought this was one of the worst finales of all time. it would definitely move this season further down in the ranking for me.

    – The big TC at F6 ended up being completely anti-climatic. Compare it to Cambodia’s and how fun that was. Kelley’s and Jeremy’s playfulness and Spencer’s reactions made that council. Even jury reactions were better in that one. This one just seemed like a chore to get through. I love Cirie but I did not need Jeff doing a talk show segment with her for 5 minutes or so after he boot. There is no way this is her last season as well, she will be back again for a legends one.

    – The edit of the season made the F5 pointless. Aubry had no shot of winning as per the edit and I was not invested inner staying or going at all. Absurd to edit her in such a manner. Howler. She should have been of the underdogs audience could have rooted for this season.

    – Final TC format was good and I am willing to give that another shot or two to see how it evolves further.

    – Reunion was meh given Jeff wasted 5 minutes just to overpower Brad in letting him run his little game. Zeke’s segment ran too long for me as well (sorry) and Jeff kept hitting on the same theme again and again with Cirie. How about asking Tony what he thought about Sarah’s game!?!?

    Overall, the episode seemed very predictable. Brad losing was telegraphed as soon as he got a lot of negative scenes with Tai. Sarah didn’t actually execute that much in the final episode but didn’t have to given Brad’s hubris did not allow him to see her as the threat she was.

    And I don’t care how well Sarah played in the season with Sandra, Cirie, malcolm, JT, Aubry, Tony, Ciera, Andrea, Zeke, Michaela.. this is not the final 3 I wanted. I doubt anyone could have predicted this even. I hope casting learnt their lesson. Bring legends back for HvV style cast!

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I kind of agree with you regarding the final 6 TC. It was an exciting concept that 5 out of 6 would be immune and someone would basically be eliminated by default, but it was actually pretty anticlimactic the way it went down. As soon as Tai played the first idol for himself, I knew Cirie was the one going home. And then Jeff’s whole speech about Cirie – yawn! I love Cirie and I think she deserved to be celebrated in her exit, but this just felt weird to me. And the way the rest of the players were all dismissed and just kind of got up awkwardly at the end felt like something was lacking on the production side.

  • hardcöre umlaut

    Omg. I tweeted that Varner should donate the profits from his book to GLAAD.

    AND HE FUCKING BLOCKED ME.

    • Diego Armando

      What a dick.

    • corndogshuffle

      It’s amazing right up until his last Tribal Council, Varner was one of my absolute favorite characters. I would have loved for him to go just one episode more and be on the jury. Even up until last night I thought he seemed truly sorry and I was willing to think of him as a “generally good person who just had an appallingly horrible lapse of judgement”.

      Now I hope I never have to hear from him again. This whole thing is pathetic.

      • Violina23

        During the episode (which I was not spoiled on) I tweeted about how he was not going down without a fight, and that I was HERE for that.

        I deleted that tweet VERY quickly.

      • Prom King

        Yeah, I agree. Sorta. He was actually one of my least favorite players for a while, based on my impression of him from his original season. I really didn’t care for him in Australia, such a sleazy tryhard. But Cambodia turned him into a favorite. And he was pretty enjoyable this season, until the outing. But now… ugh. I just don’t want to think about him or see him. Just seeing him in that shirt and flip flops at the reunion aggravated me (I fast forwarded through his moments, so I can’t speak on any feelings about his comments).

        • hardcöre umlaut

          I liked him in Cambodia, the whole “what just bit my ass!” thing. He gave great confessionals. But there was literally no reason to bring back a two-time pre-jury castaway who had literally just competed a year ago.

          • Prom King

            Oh I definitely saw the reason, despite now wishing they hadn’t. He was the breakout character of his season’s pre-merge, much like Michaela was of hers. There was viewer excitement around both players, amped up by editors that clearly saw both players’ future potentials. Well they were right in one case.

    • DrVanNostrand

      That’s crazy talk. He deserves that bundle of cash because of all the abuse he took this season! Never has a Survivor player been so wronged!

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    I went to bed right after Sarah was crowned winner (in my timezone) last night so I didn’t really participate in the post-show comments and I have only been able to read a few this morning so far, so many apologies because I will probably duplicate lots of other people’s posts but I just wanted to get my finale reflections out there 😀

    First, I’m always amazed by how un-rushed a 6 person finale can feel. I always dread these over-packed finales but this one felt pretty well paced to me. I didn’t really miss the stuff that they probably cut or left out to fit everything in – for example, awkwardly rowing around in a boat talking about everyone who’d been voted out, unnecessary reward challenges, arts and crafts time, an extended segment where each finalist talks about their game and chews a pen thoughtfully while planning their jury opening statement, etc. (I exhausted myself just writing those out)
    I now even forgive them slightly for the super rushed penultimate episode because IMO it’s better for that one to be a stinker than the finale.

    I’ve shared a few thoughts below on Advantage-palooza, so I’ll try not to rehash too much. I guess it was kind of interesting to see this situation happen once, but I hope it never happens again. I think the problem for me is rooted in the producers throwing in too many twists and advantages this season and in the fact that based on who got the idols/advantages and the way the game progressed, they were motivated to hold onto everything as long as they could. I’m not sure if this is something that needs to be “fixed” in the future (beyond just using some restraint when throwing twists into the game) but maybe they could consider ~not~ having everything expire the same time? You could throw in some pre-merge only idols, or an advantage that you have to play within a couple days of finding it, etc.

    I was really hoping that Tai and Sarah would agree to take out Troy at 5 because I like Aubry better (obvs) and if Brad were talking to me that way I would DEF want to do the opposite of whatever he was telling me, but ultimately Aubry was the right strategic choice there 🙁

    Brad really sucked in this episode (and kind of the last one too) – both strategically and as a person. I can sort of understand ~why~ he would have a strained relationship with Tai, since they went into the merge as allies and then repeatedly flipped on each other, but there was no reason he should have been so aggressive and surly when talking to Tai. I mean, it’s rude on a personal level but also did he actually think that was going to be effective in any way?? And even if he was mad, he shouldn’t have let the jury see him behaving that way. All I can think is that he must have gotten fatigued and lost both his strategic sense and his good sportsmanship, because winning challenges and being a cocky jerk is ONLY going to win you Ozzy’s vote.

    As for the changes to final tribal, I’m mad because they thwarted my prediction attempts so thoroughly. First, I stupidly said yesterday that Jeff’s promised jury twist was just the jury speaks videos (duh) and second because I made an extended post trying to predict people’s jury questions. So, I’m mostly mad at this twist because it confirmed me to be an idiot who is terrible at predictions 😛
    But actually I’m kind of on the fence about it. Just thinking through who was on the jury, I have an inkling that the winner would have been the same whether they had done the classic format or this new format. I mean, I think that Ozzy and Debbie definitely went into FTC ready to vote for Brad. Their lobbying may have somewhat given Sierra “permission” to vote for Brad over Sarah. But who out of the remaining jurors actually could have been swayed one way or the other? I can’t see Michaela, Zeke, Tai or Cirie ever voting for Brad, and I think that Aubry, Andrea and probably even Hali were most likely leaning heavily toward Sarah going in. Granted, I didn’t watch the reunion, but to me the only votes that seemed like they could have been somewhat live at FTC were Sierra and Hali, and those two aren’t enough to change the final result. Then again, my read could be completely off (see paragraph above, lol).

    Anyway, I’m….okay….with the Sarah win. I think in the end she was the best plausible choice with the way this season shook out. I mean there were tons of preferable players who made it to the late merge, but I think it was pretty easy to tell that they were doomed.

    Here’s hoping next season brings tons of great new characters, has a more balanced edit, and drops the stupid theme by the 2nd episode 😀

    • Hali is probably the most live vote there due to her saying that this process made her seemingly change her mind.

    • tocantins

      I think that something that really shows how this episode was rushed was a confessional that we could tell Cirie was crying, but they didn’t even show what she was crying about. There were also some funny hurried Tai scenes: “Oh, and Tai was crying. Moving on! ”

      • prettyboyprobst

        I wouldn’t say it felt more rushed than usual overall (it went on for 3 hours), but I noticed that Cirie-scene and it was weird. I think at the time I had an inkling why she was crying, but don’t ask me now.
        Also among the yadda-yadda’d Tai-scenes: Here he is BLEEDING FROM THE HEAD – moving on…

  • So, I went back and watched my DVR recording of the reunion and I caught these points:
    -The only time Sarah popped up on screen for me was when she was doing an impression of Tony.
    -Tony did not like Sarah saying that he mentored her.
    -Aubry just seemed unhappy to be there the whole time minus her dig at Probst.
    -Boy, the cutting off the mics was off at EVERY break. After the rapid fire line, Probst says something like “You guys are great!” After the Zeke/Varner discussion, Probst says something like “I’m going to go to the back”.
    -Less shots of Monica than what I would expect.
    -Seriously how far back was Sarah’s family? Now, I get that Cirie is going to get first row, but Sarah’s family was behind Cirie’s family, Tai’s partner (I think…I didn’t watch the family visit), and Monica. Let’s mixed that up or do like they did in the olden days where they would put someone not making the finale in the front and then swap them once the F2/F3 was revealed.
    -You can hear the stunned reaction to Varner’s book deal with only a few people clapping. No one there knew how to react.
    -Also, Probst, let’s not use any words that start with “trans-” after you just discussing the Zeke/Varner incident. Use something like “Segue”.

    • BadPlayer91

      I feel like, if there was any question about Varner’s true colors, last night revealed them. But from a Survivor perspective, the entire segment worries me. It seemed clear to me that production is leaving the door open to bring him back again. Hopefully he will age-out first.

      • Max_Jets

        Survivor: Surviving Shame. 3 Tribes with Jeff Varner, Will Sims III, and Michael Skupin as tribe leaders.

        • And there are no other players, and actually no camera crew either, and all we’ve actually done is maroon them on an island somewhere indefinitely?

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I keep thinking maybe Varner will have the tact to gracefully opt out or at least NOT try and make this whole situation about him, and I am continually disappointed. I too hope that the ages out or at least production has some restraint, because Varner is clearly not getting it.

        • BadPlayer91

          Agreed.

        • Something Quirky

          When Probst immediately went to Varner before commercial, we assumed he was telling him off for name-dropping his new employers, and now it was probably just reassuring him he could plug the book 🙁

      • I honestly hope that they let Varner fade away/age out at this point. But I could see Production be like “he made a big move. He has to come back” which is the wrong attitude to have about the situation.

        • Max_Jets

          I think Jeff Probst will see enough negative backlash over the book plug that they won’t bring him back. I haven’t checked the Facebook page, but Reddit turned against him quickly.

          • I briefly skimmed the Facebook page and everyone is all over the place. Mostly some people have said that they don’t like Cirie.

          • Max_Jets

            Yeah well she didn’t do anything, of course they don’t like her! (???)

          • Prom King

            WHAT?!?!

            Yet another reason why you should be avoiding that place, Barbara!

    • Max_Jets

      I think Tony was more shaking his head like he was flattered but didn’t want to take any credit. He seemed very proud.
      Aubry just seemed uncomfortable that he brought up the Cochran thing, but I’m guessing she was also unhappy watching the Brad/Tai dynamic play out on the show so maybe that affected her mood.

    • Ms_Woozah

      Aubry’s dig at Probst was my favorite moment of the reunion.

      • Something Quirky

        Wait, what did she say?

        (I like that I can remember that Sierra did speak to defend Troy, but not something I care about.)

    • prettyboyprobst

      -The only time Sarah popped up on screen for me was when she was doing an impression of Tony.

      I’m so shipping that. She also seemed more way more lively than usual in a extra video talking about Tony from early in the season, I believe after his ouster, which would mean in the week 2/episode 3 bonus videos.

      -Tony did not like Sarah saying that he mentored her.

      Maybe it’s less the mentoring, and more the painting-him-as-a-crazy-man-who-calls-every-day-at-5:30 am-part he took offense with? I honestly didn’t notice, probably wasn’t looking up when they showed him.

      • She even said “Sarah” the way that he normally does, but no one laughed.

  • Hornacek

    Top six, baby!

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Just so you know, I kept the cat. His name is Rusty, after the nail.

  • Ms_Woozah

    Happy Sarah won. She killed it this season.

    Cirie getting eliminated the way she did is both the most frustrating and the most Cirie thing that could have happened.

    Apologies if I missed it in these 700 comments, but is there a thread talking about the new FTC format? I personally loved it. It still has some kinks they need to work out (those stupid categories), but I really think the open forum method gives us a better insight//allows for perhaps more mind changes than the “Pick a number between 1-10” and “Tell me why you think I was the best” type juror questions. Also, Michaela’s realization about the advantage was a delight.

    • I also love Aubry’s reaction to that as well. We all thought that Michaela would be an A+ juror because of her faces, but instead, she was an A+ juror because of her attitude and her willingness to ask questions to both Brad and Troy (the only actual question that Troy got).

      • BadPlayer91

        Michaela will always turn out to be A+ when you least suspect it. Why, you ask? Because BAE BAE BAE

      • Ms_Woozah

        I also think this new FTC format allows the goat to more fully realize his position. I actually got a laugh out of Troy’s reaction to Michaela asking him a question.

        • I could see some goats not realizing their position through their type of FTC (once again, hi Tasha!).

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Good point. That might mean more Sherris in the future. I don’t know if that’s good or bad.

    • the sky is falling

      Sue Hawk dislikes the new format.
      She spent a lotta time writing the Snakes vs. Rats speech.

      • That’s the big worry with this- you lose potential moments like that in favor of the show trying to steer a jury towards picking a more visibly active winner.

        • BadPlayer91

          Agreed. I just posted above, but it makes the FTC less of a performance, more of a discussion. It has its ups and downs, but from a reality tv standpoint, it removes the spotlight for epic FTC speeches.

          • Unless someone decides to do half Murphys anyway like Ozzy and Zeke were trying to do.

          • Parvatis2Idols

            Lol can’t forget that moment between Amanda and what’s her face from Micronesia

        • Max_Jets

          This is true, but I don’t think we lose all that much.
          How many great FTC speeches have we really had? Sue, Erik Cardona, Trish…? I liked Shirin’s I guess. & honestly, Sue’s kinda sucks even if it is iconic. We lose stuff like the teeth incident and Lisi’s awful speech too, so it might be for the better.

          • How dare you forget Heidi’s question from Amazon.

          • Max_Jets

            That can still go in the outwit section! Or the outlast section. I’m a little confused by the categories.

          • It’s almost as though “outwit, outplay, outlast” is not some sort of codified rules for the game so much as it is an easy slogan to write on the season’s logo.

          • BadPlayer91

            HOW DARE YOU (agrees)

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            “But, like, were there any ~other~ iconic speeches you wanted to mention, Max_Jets?”

          • Something Quirky

            Wait, Erik R? What was his speech? How can I have forgotten this?

          • Prom King

            Long, emotional speech to the rest of the jury members about why it is fine to reward decency (Natalie) over villainy (Russell). I usually hate speeches like that but my dislike for Russell was intense enough that I didn’t mind that one so much.

        • the sky is falling

          I just checked in with Russel Hantz, he suggested this…. “The game is fundamentally flawed, the audience should have a vote”

    • Maritimer

      I think I support it. Mostly because it was funny to watch the jury lay into the finalists. I don’t think it changed a single vote, nor would it it pretty much any scenario, even Kaoh Rong. It helped a lot that the jury was generally an entertaining bunch. If they were boring it would be less interesting, but that’s always the case of course. Basically I think it worked well this time, could work well in the future, have to see it a couple more times to fully decide

    • BadPlayer91

      I very much liked it, because i felt a greater understanding of the final vote. I think we will be able to point to specific moments in this FTC which directly lead to the outcome. A lot of other seasons, I feel like much more is implied but not shown. We get the blanket statements of how people played, but not the details. Here, Sarah used the format to expressly talk about the moves she made, and it had a big impact. Yeah, those people were likely to vote for her anyway, but it made a more enjoyable and comprehensive viewing experience for the audience.

      I do see a drawback though: open forum type layouts can easily be hijacked if not carefully moderated, and more quiet players could end up not asking questions or feeling empowered to speak their mind. The ‘everyone gets one question’ layout ensures that they have a moment which no one can interrupt no matter what.

      That being said, I liked it more than disliked, and I’m excited to watch it again moving forward.

      • You bring up an interesting point because Sierra did not speak once IIRC.

        • Ms_Woozah

          These things last hours though. I’m sure she got some questions in.

          • But she could have been edited into asking a question or contributing something.

        • Maritimer

          I thought she did? She was just agreeing with Ozzy and/or Debbie but I think she said something

          • But I mean like she didn’t bring up anything of her own.

          • tocantins

            Actually, now that I think about it, I think she did get one (good) line defending Troy. But I agree with the general sentiment, that some people got way more jury space than others.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Yeah I think she backed up Troy’s claim that he contributed to their alliance in subtle ways, rather than overtly driving the vote.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Ugh, that gave me flashbacks to Probst’s opening monologue on the boat, when the camera panned on her face as he said “Some of you made quiet moves.”

            Honest Probst would have said “some of you were just dead fish, but available when we needed a last minute replacement”.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Good catch. I also remember that now.

          • purplerockandy

            So… it was a perfect encapsulation of Sierra then?

          • Maritimer

            Not that I recall. But I imagine her question under the old format would have been weak anyway

          • Probably…her Worlds Apart FTC question was fairly weak as well.

          • Sierra has been a juror twice now, and has voted for one of the losing finalists both times, which I think statistically may make her the worst juror.

            Ozzy has also voted for a losing finalist twice, but he did vote for Sophie which pulls his average up.

            Of the other multiple-time jurors, Cirie, Andrea, Hali and Zeke all hold perfect voting records. Debbie does not.

          • purplerockandy
          • She’s still statistically the worst juror on the season.

          • purplerockandy

            No arguments here.

          • Sierra joins the ranks of Kathy and Jenna Lewis of worst voters (I was going to bring this up as well), but Kathy and Jenna’s decisions were both part of a 4-3 decision while Sierra’s votes were both part of fairly big victories.

            This is where I also give Ozzy a little bit of slack because Parv v Amanda was 5-3.

          • Kathy and Jenna could also arguably be said to have voted for the CORRECT winner of All-Stars.

            Sierra, on the other hand, just seems to have a natural affinity for everything terrible.

          • Max_Jets

            I always liked that Sierra voted for Carolyn.

          • Sierra voted for Carolyn, which isn’t a bad vote persay. It just felt like an anti-Mike vote.

          • It’s kind of weird actually, thinking about it, that the only time Sierra displays any sort of independent thinking is when she’s refusing to vote for the person that the majority of the jury agrees deserves to win the game.

          • But is she? The other person at FTC was Will and she was not going to vote for Will (even if Rodney did).
            This time around, I think Debbie got to her since they are extremely tight to this day.

          • prettyboyprobst

            That’s funny, considering the parallels between Mike’s and BC 2.0’s games.

          • Great point. I think mike’s FTC was marginally better than brad’s, but still that is close.

        • Violina23

          I wrote this elsewhere, but I’m wondering if they did it to kinda shield that there was a 3rd Brad vote. I was legitimately concerned for a second when Probst read Brad’s name a third time…

    • tocantins

      I really disliked it. The FTC is supposed to be about the contestants; the jury should just ask questions. Also, as Barbara pointed out, it gives the show another chance to completely ignore players, which I feel it is just wrong. It just feels to me like another thing they didn’t need to change.

      • I mean Probst was calling on people at times that hadn’t talked, but he didn’t call on Sierra, I think.

        • Figaro

          I think Probst will definitely get better at moderating this style of FTC as we move forward as well. He does a pretty good job at regular tribals and considering this was his first attempt at moderating an ‘open-forum’ FTC I suspect he’ll only become better at it.

      • BadPlayer91

        I did have this thought: Historically, we have seen tons of FTC’s where rather than asking a question, players use their turn to make statements about the players, recite speeches, or even address the jury to rally for the person they believe should win. The jury almost goes into a performance, where members are watching each others questions and statements and deciding what they believe. It ensures everyone gets their turn, but it also disallows discussion, because if Zeke doesn’t agree with Ozzy he doesn’t have the space to say so.

        The discussion format, on the other hand, does not ensure everyone speaks unless carefully moderated. But it allows for a bit more discussion and back and forth, which I think often helps round out people’s opinions and help them decide on a final vote.

        I think the result could be a more ‘collective’ decision. If Hali listens to Ozzy say one thing and Zeke say another, she has to weight each argument separately. If she listens to them discuss or debate, it gives her more to base her opinion on.

        ALL of that being said. I think that many of these discussions are already happening at Ponderosa. The new format simply brings that discussion into the FTC. Personally, I find it helpful in telling the story of why the jury makes a certain decision, but i understand the downsides.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          Regarding your final paragraph – in my opinion, this is the strength of the new format and probably why they implemented it. I don’t necessarily think that it should (or did) impact the final result, but rather that it is intended to make the jury’s reasoning clearer to the viewers. I think it probably would have been more useful in Kaoh Rong (and there it could have even changed the result, if someone had been willing to stump for Aubry).

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            That might be the proximate cause of the change. Michele’s win is less baffling if you watched the Ponderosa videos.

          • Michele is definitely, 100% the cause of the change. Probst was even fairly explicit about it.

          • And according to Julia, Michele knows it as well.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            In fairness to Michele, I don’t think that from Probst’s perspective the problem was with her, it was with the jury’s questions. I don’t remember the questions specifically, but I remember thinking they were almost all nonsensical/irrelevant/grandstanding, and a misdirect in the case of Debbie (except maybe Cidney’s was good, I want to say?).

          • Max_Jets

            Yeah, I think we all assumed that a change to the jury meant it was because he thought Michele was a bad winner, but instead it seems like a way to give viewers a better explanation if someone like Michele did win. Or maybe it’s both, because of the specific categories.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Oh, OK. Haven’t watched the reunion show yet.

          • It wasn’t in the reunion. It was in pregame press for this season.

          • Oh yeah, it was definitely stated out right that this was Probst’s reaction to the KR finale.

          • the sky is falling

            I mean, when you put it that way… It was pretty embarrassing for Survivor to have a season with no winner that one time. I can see why they wouldn’t want to repeat that gaffe.

          • the sky is falling

            You are giving too much credit to Scot Pollard and Kyle. They had already made their decision. Perhaps if they hadn’t been allowed to boot a jury member Aubry may have had a better chance.

      • UseYourCommonSense

        Agreed. I feel like this is just another way for Probst to control the conversation and I don’t like it. We heard too much from jurors like Ozzy, Debbie and Zeke and barely anything other jurors like Sierra. They should make it so that everyone contributes to the conversation.

        • DrVanNostrand

          I watched Sierra’s anti-bullying video. Trust me, we didn’t miss anything of value.

    • PurpleTally

      I liked the new format a lot. I think it makes the final tribal about the final three instead of the jury. I think if someone needs to make a grand statement that’s self-serving and bitter, they have the opportunity to do it, but they also don’t necessarily have to air it. That being said, I know FTC is edited down a lot, anyway, but the biggest downside to this is that it’s more obvious that we are definitely not seeing the whole thing. Some people barely spoke at all, and you know they weren’t all just dead silent the whole time.

    • Violina23

      I liked the idea that it was more of a conversation, and it was highly entertaining, but I wish there was a BIT more order to it. I feel like there had to be a way to let the raw emotion an raw thoughts come out without it being so chaotic.

  • tocantins

    Meh. This was an episode, I guess. I disagree with Matt: I think that Cirie was totally screwed by a production “twist” (the absurdly excessive number of idols and advantages in play). I know that there have been seasons in the past that had as many idols (or more unfair idols, like the Tyler Perry idol), and some of them were even good seasons, but I would argue that had very little to do with the number of idols. I still think it was a mistake to add them, and in this season it costed us a fan-favorite with real potential to win. (She seemed to have recovered decently from the blunder last episode.)

    Then the rest of the episode was boring; the only interesting moments were Brad x Tai. And I didn’t mind Brad in those moments, not everyone has to be a good guy all the time. (As many of the best winners weren’t.) As a side note, I think it is funny that people say that when they showed those scenes, it was obvious that Brad wasn’t winning. In fact, those scenes reminded me a lot of Tom. (But maybe the show has changed since then.)

    Anyway, I don’t want to drown everyone in my negativity: the positive side I got from this episode is that I really don’t mind Sarah. The greatest reason it bothers me a lot that she won was that it doesn’t prove wrong some really obnoxious Edgic people in the community. By the way, it is the second season that Edgic (and heavy edit analysis overall) has made me have a worse time watching than I would otherwise, which makes me consider whether Survivor is not a show better watched than discussed.

    • Max_Jets

      “(and heavy edit analysis overall)” Yes, make sure to add that because some people might think you aren’t complaining about them, when in reality you are.

    • Diego Armando

      While Sierra said Brad was an idiot one time, so that obviously nullified every one of the scenes where people said he was the greatest person to ever live. We were all idiots for ever considering that anyone but Sarah could win after the 4th episode aired.

  • Max_Jets

    Sophie was on Know-It-Alls last night, in case anyone is looking for great take after great take.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I just started listening to it, and I might have to slow down the playback speed because she’s talking so fast and it’s so content-dense. I <3 her, though.

    • PurpleTally

      I listened to the end of it after I got home last night. I love listening to her talk about Survivor.

    • tocantins

      I had never heard she speaking about Survivor, and she is indeed great. It makes me even want to watch her season; was it the first Russel one?

      • Nope it was the first Brandon season: South Pacific.

      • Max_Jets

        It’s the season where Coach and Ozzy return. She is unfortunately pretty under edited as a lot of cast members that season are in favor a few players, but she shines when they show her and you can appreciate her game if you know to look out for her. It also has some good episodes of storytelling, even if it is not the ensemble show that I like to see from Survivor. One of the most maligned seasons, but interesting in its own way.

        • It is an absolutely fascinating season, especially that endgame. The F5 Part 1 episode is probably in my top 20 episodes of all time.

          • Max_Jets

            I agree. It’s basically a masterpiece.

          • South Pacific is also probably the darkest Survivor that I can handle. Anything darker than that is below it in my season rankings.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            SP aired before I became a fan. I agree that it’s a fascinating season to watch knowing the outcome, but it must have been dreadful in real time, especially on the heels of Redemption Island.

          • It’s a really fun binge watch.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Counterpoint: No it’s not.

          • Hornacek

            Hmm. You both make good points.

          • Prom King

            It was indeed dreadful to watch in real time. I clung to Sophie like a life raft.

          • Hornacek

            “Albert! Drop your stack and come over here and help me!”

        • DrVanNostrand

          2nd worst season of all time. Only 2nd worst because nothing will ever de-throne Nicaragua.

          • Max_Jets

            I have it…23rd. *ducks*

          • DrVanNostrand

            OK, that’s actually almost a respectable spot. I think when you get to the bottom tier, a lot of it is just which seasons do things that really push your buttons, which is highly subjective. Except for Nicaragua, because it is objectively the worst.

          • Max_Jets

            This is true. Some prefer mixed bags to consistent blandness, or dark and uncomfortable to incredibly boring and vice versa.

          • Prom King

            Redemption Island and One World are tied for objectively the worst! NIcaragua is number two on the So-Bad-It’s-Good list.

          • Diego Armando

            For me Thailand is objectively the worst and Samoa was the only season (that I watched live) that I considered not watching. Nicaragua and South Pacific are neck and neck for me for the 3rd worst spot. Their casts are very similarly flawed (although South Pacific may have had a few more likable players) and the twists are awful. The only reason I put Nicaragua ahead is that South Pacific is a lackluster, insanely predictable Pagonging, which I have seen a bajillion times on Survivor and done more interestingly or strategically better in almost all of them, whereas Nicaragua was unpredictable chaos, which is at least kept me unsure of where the season was going.

          • Diego Armando

            I have it at 32nd, ahead of Samoa and Thailand (Nicaragua is 31).

      • DrVanNostrand

        She won Jesus Island. The season where Russell’s nephew voted out a woman for giving him erections. And the season where Coach became David Koresh. But at least Sophie won, which was the only bright spot. Cochran was also….. on that season.

        • Hornacek

          “You disgust me!”

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Oh also I forgot to mention – I thought Brad’s FTC performance (including his ‘closing statement’ thingie) was TERRIBLE, especially given how much he talked up his ability to make a case as a lawyer. He was surly and negative, and was barely willing to make a case beyond “I won immunity when I had to” and “I was mean to Tai because…negotiation” (or something?)
    I thought Sarah talked circles around him the whole time, and especially in the closing statements. I actually liked Troy’s closing statement too, even though he obviously didn’t deserve to win.

    • tocantins

      My feeling was that when he gave his closing statement, he was already resigned that he lost. (It was indeed horrible.) The way people were saying all the time, “Hey Sarah/Brad, I’ll be your defender/lieutenant!,” it was probably very clear by then who each person was voting for. So he seemed to just want to get it over with.

      He also seemed to have gone there expecting people to be very salty against Sarah. Immediately he noticed that that wasn’t really the case, and that seemed to have really unsettled him.

      • Max_Jets

        It reminded me of Tai’s closing statement in Kaoh Rong.

        • I think Tai had a better FTC performance than Brad. At least the move Tai brought up during his FTC happened in the post-merge. The move that Brad brought up was okay but not great.

      • purplerockandy

        100% his final statement was that of a man who knew he already lost. Same with Troy’s.

        Troy’s ended up being better.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          #StatementOfTroyzan

          • DrVanNostrand

            There’s still a little summer left!

          • Hornacek

            Summer breeze, makes me feel fine, blowing through the jasmine in my mind.

        • Troy is so mediocre he can’t even be the worst at something properly.

          • purplerockandy

            Troy is exceptional in one way and one way only.

    • Violina23

      I thought it was one of the worst performances in recent memory. Almost rivaled Amanda…

  • Max_Jets

    Shitty theme aside, the preview looked pretty good, right? I don’t see people complaining about how they already hate all the contestants, so that seems like a good thing. Everyone seemed to be an engaging speaker. I’m excited!

    Here it is again, if anyone wants to rewatch:

    • Super duper fan

      Yeah, I liked it. And I think the problem with MvGX preview (which I think you’re reffering to), was that they really focused on “my generation is the best, the other ones are stupid”, or at least for the most part after I rewatched it some time ago. Plus I think the only confessional they used from it was Zeke’s, so it is easier to forget the ones that got most worried.

      But, like you, I also hope it will be a good season. I liked this season, but they definetely can do better than this.

    • tocantins

      Even the Super Fan™ said in his interviews that the game is much more than strategy and Big Moves™; it is about making social connections and alliances. Also, this season is with 18 people, which is a big improvement from the last few with 20. Overall, it makes me hopeful that the producers are listening to the part of the community that matters.

      • Max_Jets

        I think the 3 to 2 to 1 is the perfect way to do swaps too (assuming that happens here) because it’s much easier to track the relationships and the season feels like it’s building rather than going in weird circles.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        “the part of the community that matters” = us, right?

        • tocantins

          I was thinking more like “me”, but sure, “us” will do.

        • Max_Jets

          I do think producers need to be careful about what they do with the show. People watch Survivor for all sorts of different reasons, and if they lose the more human element of it OR the exciting gameplay they might lose a significant chunk of viewers and it seems like right now they are too focused on hyping up the gameplay element at the expense of the other stuff. The right balance is what makes it all work.

    • It is a really good preview because the 6 did a good job not only addressing the theme, but showing off their personalities as well.

      • the sky is falling

        I think this is one of those themes that will be annoying for the first week or two, but will fairly quickly fade into the background. My first impressions of who we saw are positive.

        • BadPlayer91

          I think the best seasons do this. The natural progress for a theme should be 1) They use it to cast 2) They use it to make the tribes and introduce the cast by giving them a vehicle by which to talk about themselves and 3) it disappears in favor of good, solid survivor gameplay.

          I guess i’ll also have to allow 4) Jeff Probst bring it up OVER AND OVER at the reunion and forces everyone to talk about it…

          • the sky is falling

            At least the new theme isn’t as easy to beat into the ground as “GENERATION WAR!”
            I’m hoping they deal with it like Brains Brawn Beauty

          • Cinnamon Owl

            “Physical beauty is an essential part of training horses. Horses don’t go for ‘oats good, umbrella equals evil serial killer.’ No, horses care only about humans having great cheekbones or they just won’t cooperate…”

          • Violina23

            From what I understand, they cast FIRST, and then look for a theme that “fits” it. It doesn’t always work and you get the occasional oddity like Alecia on the “Brawn” tribe in KR.

          • BadPlayer91

            Yeah, I was describing more of an optimal scenario. The important thing is the theme enhances without hindering. Last couple of seasons we’ve had both sides of that i’d say.

          • Hornacek

            Except last season, where Jeff said they came up with the theme first and then told Casting “Get me 10 millennials and 10 GenXers!”

    • My comment is that Desi is attractive.

      • This may overtake Tocantins as most attractive season

        • Have you seen One World?

          • You mean the season with Troy, Tarzan, Lief, Bill, Nina…

          • Did *you* mean the season with Sandy, Joe, Coach, Taj, and Stephen?

          • Excuse me? You put Stephen (and Taj for that matter) on that list? How dare you. I was tempted to put Kourtney on my list, but I didn’t.

          • I love Fishbach, but people weren’t tuning in to that season hoping to see some Fishbach eye candy. And Taj is also a ray of sunshine, but she was not a bikini model.

            One World had some duds, but also had some incredibly hot people.

          • PurpleTally

            Fishbach is more attractive on Cambodia, but he’s still some solid eye candy in Tocantins.

          • Preach!

          • Blurry Denzel

            As someone who has met Fishbach in person, goddamn, that man is attractive.

          • PurpleTally

            So jealous. He is a very attractive man. It’s the glasses.

          • Blurry Denzel

            It is. The beard is great too.

          • PurpleTally

            Oh yeah, the beard is nice, too.

          • I’ve also met him, and I agree.

            But he will tell you himself that he was not eye candy in Tocantins.

          • Oh, so I see how you roll. Attractive=bikini models, huh? That’s not how this works. She’s a very pretty woman, more attractive than Sierra.

          • Taj is more attractive than Sierra? A) Which Sierra are we talking about? B) It doesn’t matter, because no.

            And I say this as someone who loved SWV, so I knew of Taj way before Tocantins.

          • Sierra Reed, who is the worst.

          • indescribable hat

            Am I not people? Person?

          • You’re person. Singular. Unless…?

          • Max_Jets

            Stephen is HOT

          • Diego Armando

            One World counters that with ugliness of soul.

        • Max_Jets

          I think all of the men who weren’t given confessionals are really attractive (though Devon isn’t up my alley)

          • As I said before, Cole has got potential.

          • Max_Jets

            Having paused all the group shots to get a good look at everyone, I can say that he is fulfilling that potential so far.

          • indescribable hat

            I kind of like Ryan and his schemey little eyes.

        • the sky is falling

          Not even a full season of eye candy can beat Ken

      • Blurry Denzel

        Ali is too.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          You’re both right, and Roark and Simone have Michelle Schubert upside.

          • Blurry Denzel

            I made a long point about not going to any events anymore but if Simone has a viewing party in the NY area, I might have to show up.

          • the sky is falling

            I think I read that Roark is friends with Corinne?

          • Max_Jets

            Roark is a patron of Corinne’s podcast, I’m not sure if they were friends before that or if they became friends through that. She guests on a couple episodes though.
            If you want to listen, here is one of them where she joins around the 1hr 5 minute mark:
            https://soundcloud.com/allthefixins/survivor-with-all-the-fixins-atf-episode-23-corinnes-stuff

            She’s also on the episode before this. I think she seems like a lot of fun and is someone I expect to be rooting for.

          • Max_Jets

            How tf do I avoid posting that giant box with the link.

          • the sky is falling

            Cool, thanks man. But I’m hesitant to get too invested in the cast. It went badly for me last season, haha

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            “Dinosaurs are dragons” Michelle Schubert upside

    • chamberpop

      Rooting hard for the bellhop.

      No, your surgeon skills will not aid you in survivor. Just ask Peter.

    • Diego Armando

      Honestly the clip for that season looked pretty good. This is nowhere near the dumbest concept Survivor has ever done.

      • Super duper fan

        Pretty bad name, but an ok theme.

  • indescribable hat

    So I guess the Cirie challenge focus, which in the beginning of the finale wrapped up by pointing out that she’s never won individual immunity or found a hidden immunity idol, was setting up the story that she goes home because the one hole in her game is failing to obtain immunity.

    • Hornacek

      I think the whole “Cirie walks across a balance beam” was mainly included so they could explain why there was a boat brought in to take the players away, which helped Sarah get the vampire-vote (because else was onboard the boat and inside the boat-cabin and couldn’t see what she was doing).

  • PurpleTally

    Final update from my Survivor-watching students who stayed up way past their bedtimes last night, apparently. (I went back to visit today, because it’s the last day of school.) They were SO excited to talk about it with me. “MISS D! WHY ARE YOU HERE? DID YOU WATCH SURVIVOR????”
    All of the girls were happy Sarah won out of all the people in the final three, the one guy who watches it thought Brad should have won, because he won the most challenges. None of them were really rooting for Sarah. The girl I talked to the most about it was sad it wasn’t Ozzy or Michaela. (Michaela is her favorite; Ozzy is her dad’s favorite) All of them were upset about what happened to Cirie. They didn’t think it was fair.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    Was gonna post something funny, but then made horrible decision to look at Varner’s Twitter. He def shit on Zeke and also called an androgynous female writer “it” all w/ in last 24 hours…I need a shower 🙁

  • the sky is falling

    Maybe a question best for the podcast, but who do we see back from this cast? does Ciera get another shot? Tony? Or is next returnee season other deserving folks like David and Jay?

    I have to think Sandra is done unless they finally pull an all winner season for 40.

    • Violina23

      I would NEVER get tired of seeing Sandra. Queen stays Queen and is always welcome on my TV screen.

      Some people I think got tough breaks and I would enjoy seeing again:
      * Malcolm (Does this season even COUNT?)
      * Aubry
      * Zeke
      * Michaela

      I’m totally done with:
      * Troyzan
      * Ozzy
      * Brad
      * Ciera
      * Hali
      * Debbie
      * J.T.
      * Caleb

      Could go either way on:
      * Tai (I just don’t think he’s built for the cutthroat nature of this game, and that is NOT an insult)
      * Cirie (I love Cirie, but I’m not sure she is going to do much better than she’s done on a 4th try)
      * Sarah — interesting to see if anyone would trust her on a 3rd play
      * Tony (because you never know what you get with Tony)

      • the sky is falling

        Agree on the tough break people. I just think survivor has a big pool and I’d rather see folks back for second try before people going for 3rd/4th or 5th tour of duty

      • the sky is falling

        rE: Sandra, sure she is amazing, but I think you need to put her in an appropriate scenario for her to have a real shot

        • Violina23

          Honestly, I don’t care much if she has a good shot. She is just entertaining as hell and I’ll take as much of her as I can get.

      • Max_Jets

        I’d be cool with seeing Ciera and am unsure on Zeke, but otherwise I mostly agree. Sandra and Sarah I only need to see for all winners, Tony the same but also for HvV 2 if it happens, while Cirie can probably retire (even though she’s one of my top 5 favorites). Tai needs to be surrounded by all legends if he returns, but I don’t think the shine wore off him as much as people expected it to this season so I’d be fine seeing him again.

        • the sky is falling

          Yeah, tai is just a bit wishy washy, he has done well in both tries

        • the sky is falling

          Also, as much as people dislike Russell here, I think it would be epic to have Russell and Tony on the same season

          • Violina23

            Naw, I’m over Russell. He made his mark on the game, and I will be the first to acknowledge it (I actually enjoyed Samoa), I just can only take so much “asshole”

          • the sky is falling

            Ok, acceptable, I guess only acceptable reason to have him back is full season of second place players. His window is kinda closed, you are right. thanks for acknowledging that Samoa ruled.

          • the sky is falling

            That’s the style of survivor I love Russell’s team was 8-4 underdogs and came back to make the finale. That was great tv

          • DrVanNostrand

            I’d watch Russell again, but only on a HvV season. He’s an epic villain. I can’t imagine any Villain tribe without him.

      • I feel like the finale/reunion felt like a fond farewell for Cirie, but not so much for Sandra.

        • Diego Armando

          I think that is about right for Cirie. I’m not sure that this is great for her health as she gets older. She did look fantastic this season though.

          • I want Cirie to come back, but I think you are right. Also, I think Probst, Production, and she all knows it. What other contestant eliminated from the finale gets to walk out during the finale (in his only live cutaway) and get to say thank you to the audience?

          • Diego Armando

            This felt like a pretty good send out for her. Much better than her entertaining, but early HvV exit.

          • Blurry Denzel

            She looked fantastic when I met her a month ago (a story I still have to share). This felt like a swan song for Cirie but I’m confident that she can comeback and excel if she wanted to.

          • Check her Twitter: this is 90 percent her final season.

          • Diego Armando

            That’s fine. This is a decent way to go out. Not many people get standing ovations from the jury.

      • Diego Armando

        Malcolm is the one I most want to see back, because of how randomly he was removed this season.

        I think Zeke and Michaela are the two production is happiest with. Zeke fills several key roles for a season: inspiration hero, devious villain, narrator and guy who is willing to do entertaining game moves. Michaela is just a great force of personality who is strong, standoffish, clever, arrogant and extremely funny.

    • Rusty Shackleford

      I think PRP had a point: I loved the people who were having a good time. Even at the finale, the brief but palpable exuberance of Sandra, Tony, and drunk Malcom, even if just a flash, were enchanting. I’d watch them anytime. Even if we reached Boston Rob levels of ridiculousness/favoritism in inviting them back. Like, if they had a public access show I would total watch.

      • I like Survivor when it is fun. Besides AO and maybe China, my top 6-7 seasons are basically people having fun while starving. On that note, Tocantins is going to rank high for me.

    • Diego Armando

      Sandra, Tony, Cirie, Malcolm, Ozzy and Ciera all have the ability to come back whenever they want.

      I think Zeke and Michaela are the two who are most likely to return.

  • the sky is falling

    While I am thinking of theoretical dream seasons. I wanna see Survivor:Rivals. some ideas Phillip/francesqua, Rob/Hantz, Penner/Probst.

    Of non dream seasons, I’d like to see legacy players Coleen Haskell, Greg Buis, chef Keith, Alicia, and Doctor alphabet Sean

    • DrVanNostrand

      Please no Dr. Alphabet. I hated that guy.

      • Hornacek

        Maybe he has his other nipple pierced now.

  • Parvatis2Idols

    Varner should not have been invited to the reunion under any circumstances. Like if they don’t let people back for leaving early they certainly shouldn’t let a transphobic narcissist back on to promote himself JFC

    • Figaro

      It’s a pity because the way they handled it with Zeke was pretty good and respectful, they just really really shouldn’t have given Varner any platform at all. I hope they (CBS) cop a lot of flak for it and don’t allow that sort of thing to happen again in the future.

      • Parvatis2Idols

        Yeah exactly. And that publisher should not have approached him, if anything they should have approached ZEKE

        • Notice that he did not namedrop the publisher the same way he namedropped his new job…something tells me that he wants to ensure that he gets that book published without the publisher getting death threats over it.

          • Kemper Boyd

            where is his new job?

          • According to him at the reunion, Keller Williams, since he was “cowardly” fired by his previous real estate job.

          • Diego Armando

            Huh, my brother’s girlfriend works for them. Not anywhere near where he lives though.

          • I’m sure his employers were happy to get that name recognition.

          • Diego Armando

            I don’t plan on bringing it up to her.

          • Kemper Boyd

            that man has learnt nothing

          • Unfortunately he has not. In fact, he has doubled down.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      My opinion since the incident has been that Varner should have declined the invitation to attend the finale and instead sent a pre-recorded apology video and/or a statement that he’s donating any profit he made off the show to an organization that specifically benefits the trans community. Failing that, he should have sat on the stage and kept his mouth shut except to say a brief and heartfelt apology if asked.
      But then again it’s a mistake to expect a toxic narcissist to be anything but a toxic narcissist.

  • Something Quirky

    I posted this on another article here, but according to someone on the AVC, Brad said that most of the castaways were conservative, and he would have to take walks on the beach to get away from being involved in certain discussions.

    I finally watched Michaela’s Ponderosa video, and it was amazing. She was amazing on the jury. (See also: Aubry)

    During some of the different topics covered at the reunion, the wide group shots were interesting to see who reacted in certain ways to things.

    It took me way too long to work out who was sitting next to Tony.

    I liked the discussion element of FTC, but maybe they could do both; individual questions/statements, and then discussion, or merge the individual stuff into the discussion.

    Also, that Varner stuff was the worst.

    • Figaro

      I also took ages to figure out who Ciera was. Why didn’t Jeff mention that she-voted-out-her-mom?

      • I wondered if the seating arrangement was done to hide someone, but she was there.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I remember hearing that Brad said one of the biggest misconceptions about him from BvW was that he’s conservative, but it still blows my mind to read your first paragraph. Rich white southern former NFL lawyer does not scream liberal to me, haha.
      I wonder who is included in the conservative group? Sarah, obv. Was he talking about the post-merge or pre-merge, I wonder? I assume Caleb and Sierra are conservative. Debbie maybe? Troy?

      • Kemper Boyd

        It seems odd, espiecally later that the liberals would be a large contingent (Aubry and Tai especially).

      • I would bet money that Troy is conservative.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I would bet my house on it.

          • I thought you lived in a flat.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Nope, I live with my mother as my new house is being renovated. Which has so far taken 6 months to even start work.

          • Boo!

          • Kemper Boyd

            Work starts June 5th.

          • That’s exciting.

          • Prom King

            I’d bet my island!

      • indescribable hat

        Not that there aren’t plenty of conservative lawyers, but I think they skew liberal compared to other people in their income bracket.

      • I bet JT is conservative.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I still haven’t watched the reunion, but didn’t Ozzy say something that tipped his hand as a conservative, or at least a “burn it all down” glib libertarian type?

          • No. Ozzy is a liberal.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            That’s what I thought. I really should just watch the reunion already.

            As I said, I don’t think it was a matter of Brad being surrounded by conservatives, but that the conservatives on the island were the only ones talking politics. I’ll bet Brad finds himself changing the subject or walking away from a lot of political conversations IRL. Same for Chris from MvGX.

          • Kemper Boyd

            No one should be surprised that Ozzy the California Surfer boy who is half Mexican would be a liberal.

          • I got a more libertarian hunch with him (I don’t see him being a Trump guy, especially with his heritage)

          • DrVanNostrand

            No, he pretty clearly called America a bunch of dumbshits for electing Trump. It was the closest I ever came to not hating Ozzy.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Oh, OK. I completely misinterpreted what Carrie wrote at AVClub.

        • DrVanNostrand

          He doesn’t trust women, so that’s a good bet.

      • We discussed all this in a staff chat before the season started, and I think we had a pretty good read on who was liberal vs. conservative.

        • purplerockandy

          We probably had Culpepper wrong tho.

      • Harvey Pioneer Day Dent

        His quote was ““I’m very left and there were conversations very very right and I would
        just stay out of them. I just wouldn’t get involved because I can’t
        fake I like Trump or fake I agree with conservative beliefs so I just
        wouldn’t get involved. There was a lot of religious right commentary out
        there and I just went for a walk.”

        Pre-merge tribe: Caleb, Sierra, Hali (that AMERICA diatribe in World’s Apart) and Debbie were all likely pushing that sort of thing
        Post-merge tribe: Sierra, Hali, Debbie, Troy and Sarah were all probably that. Explains a lot as to why the perceived closeness of Brad/Sierra wasn’t close to Sierra/Sarah, since Brad probably walked off to avoid getting into their religious right talk.

        Also this is my first time posting here, so uhh hi everyone!

        • purplerockandy

          Sup, Two Face.

          • Harvey Dent

            Oh you know, coin flipping. Whining about this season. The usual.

          • Welcome!

          • Diego Armando

            You are welcome to stay here as long as you promise not to kill us in a crime related to the number 2.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Would that qualify as a BM?

          • Harvey Dent

            I can promise nothing

          • Diego Armando

            I expected as much. Good thing I have an avatar associated with the number 9.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          Hi there! 🙂
          Super interesting insight about Brad. I think you’re probably right about everyone you listed. The one other person I’m curious about is Michaela, since Brad specifically mentioned she went to (I think) Texas Christian University, so she could have some conservative religious beliefs as well (though I would sincerely hope she’s not a Trump fan)

          • That’s an interesting perspective on Michaela (and yes he mentions that Michaela went to TCU) because that could explain why him and her didn’t get along. However, that would not explain why Debbie/Sierra did not get along with her.

        • Prom King

          Hello! Thanks for this interesting info.

        • DrVanNostrand

          That fits in so poorly with the ‘help meet’ thing. Maybe Monica is the one that’s really religiously conservative, and Brad just says very diplomatically, “I always appreciate your help”

        • MsFjordstone

          Wow. That just carved out a little of my Brad hate. I mean, I’ll never be okay with him after the way he spoke to Tai, but…okay, at least I don’t hate his ideology, I guess.

        • Peter Parker

          I would be very surprised if Hali was Conservative

          • If anyone on this cast hints of being a libertarian, it’s Hali and that is questionable.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      I don’t think that was true numerically, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it felt that way because people like Zeke and Aubry are smart enough not to get into political discussions, and Cirie and Michaela were (for some reason) keeping their heads down.

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    I want to give Cirie full credit for engineering another 3-2-1, but what was Brad trying to accomplish? If the plan was to say they were voting four strong for Aubry, then split the four votes between Aubry and Tai, wouldn’t the result be either a 2-2-1-1 vote (leading to a rock draw between Sarah, Troy, and Cirie; also this assumes that Cirie and Aubry are idiots) or a 2-2-2 vote (leading to a fire-making challenge between either Troy or Sarah and Cirie)? In no case would either Tai or Aubry go home. Note that I’m not accounting for the legacy advantage because Brad didn’t know about it.

    • purplerockandy

      Cirie has said that she had no plans to do a 3-2-1. She didn’t know what the other side was doing.

      Brad clearly had Tai blindness at the end.

  • Just talked to the “Audrey” patron a few minutes ago and she was happy with the Sarah win. She was frustrated with Tai but appreciated his generousness. She was not a big fan of Brad. Finally, she had a friend who didn’t know that Brad was a former NFL player.

  • Since the podcast is delayed, can we start talk about defining moments for our F6? Because I have some thoughts:
    Cirie: She has many, but for me it is the seed of the Erik idea. It’s something that shouldn’t work, but does. It also is delivered in such a Cirie way.
    Aubry: I know many want this to be the way she handled Tai before the Scot vote or #coleslaw, but I think she will be forever haunted by the crossed off Julia vote.
    Tai: Tai has a few, but for me, it is either his idol hunt where he goes up to a tree and prays to Ozzy to find the idol or his protection of Mark the Chicken.
    Troy: “This is my island”. Need I say more?
    Brad: As much as I would love for it to be “FYBC”, I can’t because that is not a defining moment for him. However, sticking with BvW, I would give to him struggling to do math.
    Sarah: I would love to give it to her for her cop-like insistence for the letter of the law about the advantage, but I think it is her behavior during the merge episode of Cagayan capped off by the President of the island confessional. Even though she won this season, she would be defined by that episode in a similar fashion to Tyson.

    Besides Zeke and Varner, is there any one who had a defining moment from this season?

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Cirie: The 3-2-1. All of her strengths were on display here: the way she read the game situation and realized that Courtney was actually her biggest threat; her ability to read the room and see that she had to work around Shane to make all the double-crosses work (even though he hated Courtney); her smooth talking and the way she Jedi mind-tricked Danielle. And as you said, it shouldn’t have worked.

      Tai: Getting his revenge on the bullies (and potentially blowing up his own game) by refusing to form the Super-Idol with Scot, sending him out of the game with Jason’s idol.

      Sarah: Spotting the advantage on the sit-out bench at the challenge and finding a way to grab it without being noticed, coupled with her gloating confessional about her attention to detail (honey, we would all notice expired registration tags if, you know, that was our job).

      I don’t know if any of the first-tier legends had a “defining moment”, but I think only Sandra significantly changed the perception of her.

      • The Tai and Cirie selections are good contenders as well. I still don’t think when we think Sarah we will think of her seeing the advantage before President Lacina.

      • chamberpop

        I could be mistaken but I think if Tai uses the super-idol it would force a tie and he’d be the logical person to go on the revote. Not sure if Tai even realized this.

        • purplerockandy

          Technically correct, but only because of the way Tai himself voted. Had he planned on using the Super Idol, he wouldn’t have voted for Scott, thus there would not have been a tie to force.