Survivor Game Changers Premiere Liveblog: “The Stakes Have Been Raised”

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  • PurpleTally

    My first episode of Survivor without worrying about spoilers since 2001. I’m ready. Let’s do this.

  • gouis

    LET’S FUCKING GO

  • the sky is falling

    better title: “The Stakes are Afoot”

    let’s go!

  • the sky is falling

    Tony winners edit, hells yeah. Tony vs Malcom.

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    Debra, the better metaphor would be “the Kentucky Derby, the Super Bowl, and the Tour de France.” You’re just describing a horse race.

    • Metaphor. Game. Changed.

    • Alycia Swift

      Was she talking about Sir Squiddington?

      • Hornacek

        Apparently …

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    Cut to: FFGCSDT

    My Sister: “What did she do?”

    • Alycia Swift

      She thought and talked about making a move and did not do it.

    • jersey_luck

      She found a secret advantage.

      • Alycia Swift

        Now. Not previously.

        • Mike Hirsch

          Already she’s blowing her previous performance out of the water! Can’t wait to see how she doesn’t use the advantage.

  • Maritimer

    Sierra gets the secret advantage HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA perfect

    • the sky is falling

      Grrrrr!

      • Maritimer

        I mean, its funny. I wish Malc had it, but I support trolling

    • OWSDT.

      • Hornacek

        OWFFSDT

    • sharculese

      I guess it’s slightly better than it was last season, in that you know what it is and can choose when to use it, but seriously, if you need emergency immunity at 13 you’re probably already boned.

      • Figaro

        It could potentially be useful if there’s two factions at the merge and you manage to use the idol to save one of your alliance mates and get the numbers over the other alliance, rather than just using it on yourself

      • Hornacek

        As someone already mentioned, it seems to indicate that the merge is at 13 people.

        • sharculese

          I think we should assume a 13-person merge in 20-player seasons from now on. Part of the whole, ‘let’s not have a repeat of the Redemption Island through One World stretch of day one alliances running the game,’ initiative.

          • Hornacek

            Yeah, now it makes sense. But when it happened in Cambodia the players (and most of the viewers) were surprised. “Merging at 13? That’s too early!”

    • purplerockandy

      Sierra’s gonna talk about using that advantage for the next six episodes.

      She will not use the advantage.

      • Maritimer

        She is 100% getting voted out with it in her pocket, after missing a change to change the game yet again

      • Hornacek

        No, she will follow in the tradition of the Advantage Curse:

        She will use the advantage.

        It will not matter.

  • FFGCSDT getting the “secret advantage” has to be a deliberate troll

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    MODBOCQOTA&TFMSDT DONE GOT THE ADVANTAGE

  • Alycia Swift

    is this a 2 hour or an hour and a half episode?

    • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

      2 hrs

      • Alycia Swift

        Oh crap. I have to make a conference call at 9:30 b/c I thought it was an hour and a half.

        • Purplerockmatt

          its actually two full episodes

          • Alycia Swift

            I may have to try and call a little early and that way TIVO can help me catch up.

  • Andrea gets the premiere episode title in the first post-intro confessional. Winner’s edit?

    Oh god I’m edgic-ing. Help me.

  • the sky is falling

    my man Tony only needed one commercial break to Tony it up!

  • Maritimer

    I feel like Tony may troll this season a la Hatch in All-Stars, knowing he can’t really win so he’s just going to have fun

    • Alycia Swift

      That laugh was hysterical.

    • Tony’s going to be targeted for going Tony, so he might as well go full Tony.

      • Adam B.

        Never go Full Tony.

      • Come On In Here

        He said in the pregame interviews he was going 80% Tony! 80%! And that Cagayan was only 60%! Full Tony might kill us all!

  • Maritimer

    “There’s too many goats over here” – the tribe with Troy, Sierra, Debbie, and Culpepper. Its too easy

  • Alycia Swift

    Thirteen would be about when the merge is, right? Depending on how they’ve been merging with big tribes these last couple of times. Six is about day 36 or so?

    • the sky is falling

      Focus girl, don’t think about post merge game pre merge!

      • Alycia Swift

        Good point.

    • Hornacek

      That’s when FFSDT can use the Secret Advantage so it would seem to indicate that.

  • the sky is falling

    Russell hantz very anti Tony. if Tony wins Russell’s legacy is dead, lol.

  • the sky is falling

    OMG! It will be a fucking tragedy if Tony is first out!

    • Alycia Swift

      That underground spy bunker is weird. Is not deep enough to hide in.

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        It was barely deep enough to hide an idol in. My only hope is that it’s ALL misdirection and no one truly knows what’s going on. The bunker was never going to work, and I think Tony knew that.

        • turgid_legume

          For the first vote at least, it might have worked. People saw it and assumed he found a clue, which all but guaranteed that they would need to enact some kind of split, upping the level of difficulty and buying him more time. I don’t think that was his intent, but I was thinking that it was savvy strategy. …Until the second vote.

      • Hornacek

        I was wondering “What if he builds it, covers himself with debris, and someone walks on him?” Hell of a way to get med evac’d.

  • the sky is falling

    wow, Malcom on top of social game already

  • Ciera does seem to be playing hard early, but I’m not sure if she had much of a choice. As Malcolm kind of hinted at, all she needs to do is open her mouth to be targeted. I almost wonder if she, like Tony, is better off playing really intensely, since people kind of assume she will anyway.

    • Alycia Swift

      Varner is actually really calm. Almost Zen. So far so good.

      • Mike Hirsch

        I feel like we’re getting a lot of good crazy Tony to counteract the lack of Varner craziness.

    • Maritimer

      Really all she did is point out the obvious, in a way that happens basically every season. But she’s seen as such a gamer. Plus, Malcolm clearly sees the Jeremy meat shield strategy as his way forward

      • Yeah. I think my comment was informed by that perception that if it’s Ciera, she has to be playing hard, no matter what she actually does.

        • Maritimer

          Yeah, she is now the kind of person everyone will assume has a scheme going beyond the apparent

  • the sky is falling

    sorry if this has been covered, any way to get live stream to auto refresh? I have to reload page to see new posts in live stream… Obnoxious

    • Purplerockmatt

      I do not know the best way to do this honestly, since I am always writing in it. Does anybody know a good way? If not, I’ll look into if there is a good way during the next week.

      • the sky is falling

        Thanks

    • Alkanarra

      If you open Storify, you can move between slides, and when you reload it stays on the same slide you reloaded on. That’s the best I’ve found.

      • Purplerockmatt

        ok that sounds pretty good, and you can open the slideshow where it says open slideshow at the top right?

        • Alkanarra

          Yeah, right under the picture is the link. You still have to reload that as its own tab to see updates, but at least it keeps you from needing to refresh the comments over and over. Also, it’s actually nice to see updates in individual slides.

  • Alycia Swift

    OK does this new rule mean that the person who actually wins immunity becomes vulnerable (or someone who has played an idol)?

    • PurpleTally

      I don’t think so. If you win immunity, you’re safe even from drawing rocks.

      • Alycia Swift

        In the old way, yes. But he did not say it.

        • Purplerockmatt

          I think it just skips the middle step of the revote, otherwise it stays the same

    • DrVanNostrand

      This is a terrible rule. It makes vote splitting harder, and the idol stronger, which I don’t think is necessary.

      • purplerockandy

        What a perfect night to complain about the new rule making vote splitting to avoid an idol harder.

    • I don’t think so. It’s just to stop super-alliances forming at the merge and then splitting every vote.

  • Alycia Swift

    haley is not that far behind ozzy – wow

    • Cannot work out why Hali swam rather than Malcolm or Caleb or Michaela. Is she that fast? Or just super eager to show some challenge strength early (in which case: maybe a decent play)?

      • Yeah, Mana did not do a good job challenge strategizing with that decision and Michaela not doing the lifting portion in the second episode.

        • Actually I thought Hali did fine – she was not that far behind Ozzy at all. I was more amazed that the rest of the tribe let her do it.

          • Alkanarra

            I thought it was a good decision on her part. Even if you lag behind Ozzy, they’ll say “anyone would lose to Ozzy” and still give you credit for trying. Then when the “weak link” shit comes up, you’re name isn’t on the table even though technically he beat you.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Isn’t she a surfer?

        • Surfers are mostly paddling on the board though, aren’t they? It doesn’t necessarily translate to being a good swimmer? (disclaimer: I don’t know how to surf, though I did watch that Blake Lively movie, so I assume Hali also knows how to suture her own skin with her jewellery, and murder a shark)

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            They can also skydive, rob banks, and feel secure in the knowledge that hanging out on a beach with Anthony Kiedis would be a waste of time.

            But they probably are good swimmers, I would think.

          • Hornacek

            And also make friends with Steven Seagull.

          • indescribable hat

            I don’t think you learn to surf without doing a fair amount of swimming in rough water. (I also don’t surf though, so maybe not.)

          • VoicOff

            Surfers are good swimmer. “Paddling” is mostly like the upper body part of swimming, and build shoulder muscles which is important for swimming. Also, you are not on the board most of the time: you paddle towards the wave, surf, fall in the water, swim to you board, get back… and before becoming a good surfer, most of the time is spent into the water.

        • Alycia Swift

          Yes. And I read somewhere that she actually was considered the best challenge performer of the women on WA.

      • purplerockandy
      • Hornacek

        She did it for America.

  • the sky is falling

    WORST CASE SCENARIO!

  • Alycia Swift

    What a weirdly quiet challenge.

    • gouis

      No?

      • Alycia Swift

        Just looking at the people in the background because they did not seem excited sort of tempered it.

  • Alycia Swift

    Aubry – interesting. She’s hanging with the guys.

  • the sky is falling

    I think Micheala is out of her league here

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    It’s a shame that Troy’s name never came up once in three days.

    • Alycia Swift

      Probably because he’s a fairly strong male. And he’s keeping quiet.

    • Maritimer

      At least he seems to be outside the majority alliance on his tribe

    • purplerockandy

      Apparently, Tony brought up his name a few times.

  • the sky is falling

    Bummer, Ciera is cute. Nbd

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    FFUH8TRSDT just outlasted Other Sierra y’all

  • Alycia Swift

    Yay. Sandra got her claws in. Jeff survived and is playing ok. Aubry is in the majority. Tony survived.

    And Sandra is playing the old woman now – “I wear glasses now.”

  • the sky is falling

    Hold the dam phone ! Tony/Sandra/Malcom /Caleb/Aubrey 😍😍😍

    • Maritimer

      I am so in

    • Alycia Swift

      This is close to an alliance that many were hoping for. (Caleb I can do without.)

      • the sky is falling

        Caleb is fine he is expendable at final 5

        • Alycia Swift

          True, unless he wins immunity.

  • Alycia Swift

    Monica the chicken. That’s too funny.

    • DrVanNostrand

      She’s a neat lady…. who is also delicious!!!

    • Hornacek

      Quote from future episode:

      “Hey Brad, I’m eating Monica.”

      (I’m so very sorry)

  • the sky is falling

    Tony is just pure joy to watch, seriously.

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    Over before it started. What a shame.

  • Alycia Swift

    I am getting the feeling Varner and Aubry are going to do really well. They are calm. All of the bigger names seem to be nuts.

    • Alycia Swift

      I’m having second thoughts about Aubry.

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        The only thing I’m sure of now is that TOK715SDT will be standing at the end.

  • the sky is falling

    Why did I pick Debbie in pick 4? I guess she got me a couple points before I drop her

  • Maritimer

    “Cherie?” come on Debbie. please let this be a boot episode edit

    • Hornacek

      I hope that Debbie mispronouncing every other players’ name is this season’s version of her alternating chyrons in Kaoh Rong.

      • Maritimer

        That would be amazing. Especially since it would be part of a clown edit I’m desperately hoping for

    • indescribable hat

      It did remind me that Shirin would have been a fun addition to the chain of similar women’s names, so…

  • Anthony DePaul

    I missed Cirie and Sandra a lot. I didn’t even know it. And man is Tony insane. Like in your face insane, but in the most amazing way.

  • the sky is falling

    edit so heavy on Tony/Sandra so early does not bode well for either of them. 😭😭😭

  • Alkanarra

    Goddamn it, Troyzan! You’ve only done one thing and it’s to splinter the Sandra/Tony alliance BY FUCKING ACCIDENT! You pull Sandra aside to say “I’m not worried about Tony” and inadvertently ruin everything! EVERYTHING! Gah!

  • Anthony DePaul

    “Keep the tribe strong” is the death of Fun

    • It’s also basically just a dog whistle for “Hey, let’s vote out these women, bro.” And yet men freak out over the prospect of a women’s alliance.

      • And also “let’s vote out Jeff Varner”. Who had to know that.

        Tony might be Caleb and Malcolm’s shield, but Sandra is most definitely Varner’s shield.

        • That’s the thing- Varner was easily the biggest liability in that challenge, and instead they say they’ll target Sandra. Varner benefits from being male, even if he’s weak.

          • Kemper Boyd

            100% this. We’ve seen weak men survive “keep the tribe strong”. And we’ve seen averagely athletic young women be targeted under this veil.

            Chet. CHET.

          • Something Quirky

            Caleb even specifically mentioned voting off “the weakest woman”.

        • Maritimer

          Yeah, it was a stupid thing to say in front of Varner. The other women on that tribe are Aubry, Michaela, and Hali. If they’re chopping challenge liabilities, he’s clearly next, so that drives him firmly to Sandra’s camp and probably takes a couple people with him

          • When I thought about it again this morning, I realised there’s another reason for Jeff to stick with Sandra over Tony as well – he flipped on a known quantity last season in favour of keeping a ‘wildcard’ player around, and look how that worked out for him with Abi Maria.

            Same for Michaela in a way – last season she listened to the ‘don’t go with that alliance, go with this one’ pitch, and then got blindsided by the very guy making it. They already put an alliance together, and she wasn’t in it – there’s no reason for her to be their fifth when she has a shot at a better spot on the other side.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        This. Always this. Every season.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Because a group of men with no women is the societal default, a group of women with no men is a THREAT TO MEN.

  • the sky is falling

    can’t deal w this season! Care too much about too many people!

  • Maritimer

    Why exactly is Varner out there and not Malcolm or Michaela?

    • Maritimer

      Okay, its apparently because Malcolm learned some things from champion-tosser Reynold

      • the sky is falling

        Hah, beat me to it, couldn’t figure out my joke

    • DrVanNostrand

      My thoughts exactly. I’d send Malcolm out and let Michaela toss the rings, but the opposite would also have been better.

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    Tony’s making Big Movez™!!!

  • the sky is falling

    So nervous guys!

    • Alycia Swift

      So am I.

      • the sky is falling

        I hate that this rivalry is in episode 2,

  • Anthony DePaul

    Caleb the least likely Survivor narrator ever?

    • the sky is falling

      In the running, I’d go w Cowboy Rick or Purple Kelly

    • Maritimer

      His airtime is making me a little nervous

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        To be fair, he’s on the only tribe of focus, and *stifles laugh* you’re not going to put Troyzan on TV

        • Maritimer

          I mean, what kind of ridiculous show would do that? His lack of airtime makes me all kinds of happy

      • Alycia Swift

        Caleb wants to get rid of the weak link – which is not Sandra in this case. Varner was.

        • Maritimer

          Right. But one must keep Caleb’s, uh, misogynistic tendencies in mind. Plus his apparent friendship/pre-game conversations with Russell

          • Alycia Swift

            I know.

          • Maritimer

            This is why Caleb sucks

          • Alycia Swift

            Yes.

      • His airtime is making me a lot erect

  • Alycia Swift

    Why is no one actually looking for the idol?

    • Purplerockmatt

      they might just not be showing us

      • the sky is falling

        They usually show it when it’s found, you can guarantee Tony is looking his ass off

        • Purplerockmatt

          exactly

          • the sky is falling

            It’s not compelling tv unless there’s a payoff

          • Purplerockmatt

            or if the payoff is that there is a big hunt and everybody sees everybody else looking

          • Alycia Swift

            but Sandra should be.

          • the sky is falling

            Idol hunting has never been Sandra’s MO

          • Alycia Swift

            No it hasn’t but she should make it part of her MO in this case. I’m just so nervous for her.

          • purplerockandy

            She has found one.

        • There is no safer bet in Survivor.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I guarantee 100% Tony has been looking for it like a mad man. They just won’t show you much unless someone actually finds it. Also, who knows how they’re hiding them this season. Tony could be barking up the wrong tree.

  • the sky is falling

    FUUUUUUCCKKK YOU SANDRA. FUCK YOU

    • Alycia Swift

      I’ve got the opposite – YAY SANDRA!
      But I did cringe at the exchange afterwards.

      Well at least it might take the target off Aubry.

      • the sky is falling

        I am making a Sandra voodoo doll, that was an asshole move

        • Alycia Swift

          He was doing it as well. She just won out.

          • the sky is falling

            You don’t mess with King Tony, season ruined 😭😭😭

            GO MALCOM!

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        It definitely did not help her. The first one, eesh. The second volley; unnecessary.

        • the sky is falling

          Sandra, zero chance to win

          • Alycia Swift

            She’s done something like that every time though. It just makes us cringe.

        • Alycia Swift

          But she’s done that before.

          • Kingoftonga

            I feel like part of Sandra’s persona is being the person just unlikable enough that no one thinks she can win.

          • gouis

            Yeah this is literally not a problem for her.

          • Alycia Swift

            The thing is – no one really dislikes her except Russell.

          • Max_Jets

            & even Russell seemed to enjoy her at times. She’s so hard to not like on some level.

        • Nah. Tony will respect it. He’d do the same to her.

          • Adam B.

            The question is more whether it scares the people who are still *in* the game.

          • Right. But you have to believe that at least Aubry and Malcolm know what she’s about. And with a swap coming, it may help that memory fade quickly.

          • Adam B.

            Except what she’s normally about is letting other people form alliances and adding her vote to theirs, while being incredibly savvy about what other plans are out there. She is decidedly not, as Malcolm suggested, normally the organizer — if anything, she *failed* to create a dominant alliance in HvV, but survived anyway.

          • Alycia Swift

            That’s what I meant. Tony won’t care. He’s probably dealt with worst than that as a cop.

    • gouis

      ……………….

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    Wow. I honestly can’t believe that vote just happened, especially at the second tribal. It just goes to show that they done changed the game. The game changers. I mean, it’s a shot they were going to have to take eventually, but they jumped on it at the first opportunity. And I think to some degree, it can be argued that this was a move to secure a spot at Final Tribal. And speaking of securing spots, let me talk to you about the PRP Fantasy Baseball League. We’re currently at ten, but we’re looking to reach 12 players and are actively recruiting. Now some of you may be thinking, “I’m new to this community, and I’ve barely commented at all here. It’s not my place to take a spot in this league.” But not so! Emma has had plenty of opportunities to join, and she refuses to have fun. So we’re moving on without her and others. Plus, to quote Lilo & Stitch, “When you’re here, you’re family.” I think that’s right, don’t @ me on it. But if you’re here on this site reading this (and have gotten this far into this post), then I can guarantee that you deserve a spot in this league. And because you’re watching the East Coast broadcast, you have a leg up on the West Coast viewers who won’t see this for another three hours. Take advantage of this opportunity by calling now because these open spots will not last. Operator is standing by, so act fast before these two spots get claimed!

    • Alkanarra

      That was beautiful to read.

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        *blushes*

    • Max_Jets

      @ ing you. Ohana means family. Family means nobody gets left behind. When you’re here at Olive Garden though, you’re family.

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        Maximillius Jetterson, are you “actually”-ing my jokes?

        • Max_Jets

          I love Lilo & Stitch too much not to! Also, Olive Garden has good soup.

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            I’m not saying I want to drown, but if I had to, I’d like it to be in Olive Garden Chicken & Gnocchi soup.

          • Max_Jets

            I might drown in the Zuppa Toscana, but it’s a toss up.

      • sharculese

        I’m not welcome back at at least one Olive Garden.

        • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

          I don’t think you’ve done the Never Ending Pasta Bowl correctly if this isn’t the outcome.

          • sharculese

            I did the never-ending showed up already drunk because seriously why do I have shitty friends who go to the Olive Garden for their birthday bowl.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Emma never wanted it. You gotta want it!

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        And that’s all you need to do! You don’t even need to dig deep!

  • Well, we got the Tony/Sandra rivalry, even though I really wish it had lasted longer. Sandra better win now.

  • gouis

    I was convinced Sandra was going home because she deviated from her “ABBM” strategy. It just seemed too poetic.

    But the queen is the queen indeed.

    • Kingoftonga

      Yeah she seems to be taking a more active leadership role than previous seasons. I guess it worked out for her, but I’m a little nervous going forward

      • gouis

        For her sake I hope it was a one time thing because she was getting Russel flashbacks.

  • PurpleTally

    Thank you, Survivor Jesus, for the existence of Sandra Diaz-Twine.

    • Alycia Swift

      I’m glad Barbara brought you in. We think alike.

      I’d never have the guts to say the things she did.

      • PurpleTally

        The queen stays queen. <3
        We are blessed.

        • the sky is falling

          FUCK SANDRA, I’m out so fucking pissed

          • the sky is falling

            It’s not right that Troy stays

          • Alycia Swift

            He will stay until he’s not needed.

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            He’s not needed now.

          • Alycia Swift

            He’s a number.

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            He’s a 0.

          • I think he and Hali are sitting pretty right in the middle of that tribe right now though. There’s a lot of big personalities in there (enough that Troy has mostly shut the fuck up), so just being relatively quiet and relatively competent (apart from on balance beams) is enough.

          • Just wait until the swap.

          • I’m only in for this if Hali and Sierra Dawn Thomas are on the same tribe and immediately commence a fight to the death.

          • Sierra: Dirty Thirty forever
            Hali: New phone. Who dis?

          • Alycia Swift

            And who do you want to win that one. I’m team Hali.

          • I am team Hali all the way, because Hali was not the one allied with Dan Foley and Will Sims.

          • Alycia Swift

            Good reason. Mine was the law thing.

          • This is the truest statement.

          • PurpleTally

            That is how I’d feel if Sandra was gone over Tony, so I feel for you, but I can’t be mad right now.

          • the sky is falling

            To each their own, I’m team Cirie, *shrug emoticon* this season is much poorer for lack of Tony antics

      • Kemper Boyd

        Seconded.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I was team Tony during this feud, but I can’t be disappointed by the fact that Sandra won. She’s great.

      • Watching I was like…has Tony ever actually seen Sandra play? Even Tony must realise that Sandra is not going to react well to that sort of confrontation, right?

        • Kingoftonga

          Yeah, one the one hand, “We were just looking at the tide” is a pretty lame lie…on the other hand, I’m not sure what Tony was hoping to achieve by confronting them like that

          • Tony can’t not be Tony. But Sandra can’t not be Sandra either.

          • But remember who said that lie. It was Troy.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            He’s just getting the lay of his island.

          • Alycia Swift

            Especially since he’s just as “guilty” of doing something since he was building a spy bunker.

          • Which Sandra pounced on once he said “I caught them”

          • Alycia Swift

            Sandra’s lie wasn’t great either but at least it was plausible.

        • PurpleTally

          Tony studied his own game to prepare. Maybe he should have taken a break from rewatching Cagayan to watch HvV. Not even because of Sandra, Cirie, and JT, but because HvV is just that great.

        • DrVanNostrand

          He might not have. As they joke about here, his Survivor knowledge about things other than Tony isn’t the best.

          • Alycia Swift

            Which is probably his biggest/only similarity to Russell.

        • Dutch

          >>>Insert “I CAN GET LOUD TOO, WTF” gif here<<<

      • Dutch

        As much as it pains me, I’d be willing to sacrifice Tony to keep the Queen in the game!

    • Kemper Boyd

      My whole being is so happy she’s on my tv.

    • These Words

      Christ, she is so great.

  • Anthony DePaul

    I suppose the Sandra Tony duel was destined to burn so hot and bright, it could only last a short while.

    • Purplerockmatt

      they teased us cruelly with thoughts of an alliance

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        I blame Troy.

        • I would and am too.

          • Purplerockmatt

            We all should

          • gouis

            Worthless piece of trash

        • He literally managed to fuck everything up just by existing. I shouldn’t be surprised.

          • Purplerockmatt

            This is his purpose, this is his design

          • I really appreciate the sudden deluge of Hannibal references on this site.

          • I didn’t realize that The A-Team had such an impact on the PRP crew.

          • Hornacek

            I hate it when a plan doesn’t come together.

        • This may justify a second diss track.

        • prettyboyprobst

          Fucking Troy, everything was going great, but he just had to ruin it all.

          This is why nobody likes you, Troy!

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            He got the Commissioner points in the Palsy League!

          • prettyboyprobst

            May your whole team succumb to the choking hazard that are the points finagled by the unworthy one from the intestines of our rightful King (TV)!

            Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame!

      • DrVanNostrand

        I was so close to considering the possibility that there might be a god of some sort. But nope, still an atheist.

        • Diego Armando

          Not with that attitude you aren’t.

  • gouis

    Can we talk about how many times Troy fell over on that balance beam? Absolutely useless.

    • Alycia Swift

      But I have to admit, I liked the shirt.

      • gouis

        You just complimented Troy. Unacceptable.

        • Agreed. BANNED!

          • Alycia Swift

            No, I complimented the shirt.

          • Very well, councillor. But you’re on notice!

          • Purplerockmatt

            LAWYERED

          • Alycia Swift

            That’s what I do.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I gotta recognize my own

          • indescribable hat

            I’m so primed to see Teen Girl Squad references here that I read this in Strongbad voice.

    • sharculese

      Was it more than Hali?

      • I think it was a combination there of Troy being unsteady on the beam, and Hali in front of him not being strong/heavy enough to manage the weight of the snake with the added movement he was causing.

  • You come at the queen, you best not miss

  • Alkanarra

    So I think we know which two returnees they’re bringing back for Redemption Island 2….

    • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

      I think you mean 3. And 4, and 5, and 6 if we’re lucky.

    • Ms_Woozah

      10/10 Would Watch

  • Kingoftonga

    I appreciate at the beginning when Jeff mentioned that “some of you made big moves that failed” and the camera lingered lovingly on Ozzy’s face.

  • Hornacek

    Random thoughts:

    “We’ve all changed this game …” And Brad lies with his very first sentence.

    FFSDT gets the SECRET ADVANTAGE. Winner’s edit!!!

    “Is that your real name?” And Michaela endears herself to the audience again.

    So it looks like Production realized that waiting until the last episode to get to use the Legacy Advantage was a bit of a tease.

    WWMD

    It didn’t take long for Tai to forget to keep his mouth shut.

    The first challenge involves digging in the sand? Someone keep an eye on Caleb!

    The idol is a diving helmet???

    Is Michaela going to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory? What are you doing???

    That tribal set is pretty nice.

    Wait, the voting urn is a lantern? What is the theme of this season???

    Tony and Sandra survived the first vote!

    No final words from Ciera?

    “Sahhndra”

    I didn’t realize how much I missed Tony until I saw him crawl out of his Spy Bunker and crawl along the ground.

    So much for the Tony/Sandra alliance.

    Who the hell is “Shirie”?

    Varner is out of strength already?

    Mana starts to make a comeback in the challenge with Cirie on the sidelines thinking “No! I’ll be voted out if we lose!”

    No one is talking about a possible tribe-swap. They’re sure these are the tribes and they have to keep them strong.

    Wow, Troyzan has not been practicing how to give tribal answers that don’t give away who the target is.

    “I’m calm, I’m calm … WHAT’S IN MY HAIR???”

    Yeah, Sandra has a great social game.

    • Kingoftonga

      You’d think that production would correct Debbie on the pronunciation of “Cirie” but maybe they thought it was funnier to let it slide

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        Could be a Francesqua situation. They might have corrected Debbie, but she might not have cared.

        • Purplerockmatt

          debbie gonna Debbie

          • Mike Hirsch

            Hopefully Debbie will Debbie herself right out of the game.

          • Purplerockmatt

            fingers crossed!

          • DrVanNostrand

            She and Troy will go far, because the opposite strategy cannot fail!!!

    • Alycia Swift

      Michaela’s scream at the bug was hilarious.

  • the sky is falling

    The problem with these returnee seasons is high probability of having your heart smashed in the first episode. 😔

    • gouis

      You sure are living up to your name today

      • the sky is falling

        I was too invested in a broken horse, it happens, Malcom train now choo choo!

    • Is this the second time (Micronesia being first) that your heart was smashed?

      • Purplerockmatt

        Oh man I remember watching that for the first time and being devastated when yau-man went home. Returnee seasons can be cruel early on

        • Alycia Swift

          Me 2.

        • gouis

          I mean look no further than All Stars

        • I was more referring to Fairplay, but that works as well.

          I was devastated with Varner in Cambodia, but that was episode 4 and he got a 1 episode stay of execution.

  • Tony and Sandra on the same tribe went down pretty much exactly the way everyone thought it would, but that was still glorious.

    Also, I own that same sports bra Andrea is wearing. This will be an interesting test case for what will happen if I ever decide not to change my clothes for a full month.

    • sharculese

      Oh, so you’re just assuming Andrea will be there for 30 days?

      I mean, you should be, just checking.

      • I was assuming, but also I can’t remember if Andrea even spoke this episode apart from Probst asking her a question before the challenge, so maybe that is not the best sign for her.

        • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

          She got one confessional, like half of her tribe who didn’t go to the first two tribals. (note: Troyzan went to both and also got only one)

          • Andrea got the episode title, but her confessional (and I hate saying this) was super bland, folks

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            You could say her confessional was a bit Blandr–you know what, forget it.

          • Hornacek

            Yeah, she really Jefra’d that confessional.

          • I actually think Jefra’s first confessional in Cagayan is not terrible especially since she calls the Brains the “Cochrans” of the game.

          • Hornacek

            Could that be because Caramoan (the previous season) was the only season she had ever seen?

          • Probably but I will allow it.

          • Maritimer

            Thought it was 2? One in the kind of opening and one after they got to camp. I wasn’t really counting though so I may be wrong

        • sharculese

          Let’s all assume it happens and make it reality.

        • DrVanNostrand

          She had a confessional where she said something about “Game Changers”. But so did Sierra, so who the fuck knows.

        • Alycia Swift

          Wasn’t that almost what happened to Michele though in KR?

          • sharculese

            Who?

  • Mike Hirsch

    Matt, I appreciate the hard work on the Simpsons memes.
    A so-so first hour, and a pretty stellar second hour. That “second” episode had EVERYTHING. They really should have cut Nuku out of it entirely.
    I like Calm, Cool, Collected Varner. Still a delight, even if he’s a bit muted. Michaela and Malcolm are both also hugely entertaining.
    I’ve missed Sandra so much. And while Tony may have met an untimely demise, he absolutely made the most of his screen-time

    • Yeah, Nuku is definitely the Bayon this season minus Cirie.

    • Purplerockmatt

      I found a way to do it pretty quick, so looks like its a new part of the game

    • Other than the brief Tai stuff, Nuku was all Cirie, which I’m perfectly okay with. I think the producers know what we want to see.

      • Purplerockmatt

        And knowing how happy we will be that Cirie dodges the bullet with a swap (or has a chance to)

        • As upset as I am about Tony, I’m much more confident about Sandra (and, to a lesser extent, Cirie). Once she starts laying low and other people start doing things that make them target-worthy, no one is going after her (especially if the prospect of another swap makes tribe strength irrelevant). I’m not saying she will win, but I think it’s much more likely than I thought it was two hours ago.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I think Sandra has a much better chance of going far in this game than Tony did. so on that basis I am happy

      • Mike Hirsch

        I’m fine with it, but I’d have taken another ten minutes at Camp That Escalated Quickly and not even cared that it was telegraphing which tribe lost.

      • Maritimer

        I assume the Cirie-Ozzy stuff will have payoff at some point though

    • Kingoftonga

      Varner is definitely playing like someone who learned from his mistakes in Cambodia.

      • Alycia Swift

        Actually so far, Debbie is a bit too.

        • Kingoftonga

          All that air marshall training must have mellowed her out.

          • Alycia Swift

            She had that before the last time she played – it was on the chyron, chiron, whatever.

          • Hornacek

            All that FREE air marshall training.

        • DrVanNostrand

          Debbie is playing just like the start of her season. She has always been fairly perceptive, and makes a lot out of the fact that people underestimate her. Unfortunately, she’s insane and not very self-aware socially. It’s why I didn’t peg her as a first boot, but expect her to go home at almost the same point she did last time.

          • But her BS detector is not right, because Cirie would work with Debbie.

          • Alycia Swift

            Cirie said she would work with anyone.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Her BS detector was right because Cirie was trying to convince her people were trying to take Debbie out. Debbie correctly perceived that she was not being targeted, but Cirie was trying to pull her in by feeding her BS.

          • Oh…I just don’t like Debbie.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Neither do I! She offends me as a scientist and annoys the hell out of me as a human being. But as a Survivor player, there is a tiny kernel of cleverness inside a giant ball of shit.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Meanwhile, Sandra is playing like she’s Avon Barksdale, and Tony came in like a freaking moose like Denise Fleming in Can’t Hardly Wait, all “errrherrrrerrrr.”

        • I was going to make the Avon vs Stringer comparison on Twitter, because that’s what it felt like. The faux alliance while you look for ways to take each other out? Wire-esque.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Sandra needs to watch the fuck out for Marlo.

          • Marlo is Cirie. Her name is her name.

          • Kingoftonga

            Troyzan is obviously Ziggy in this metaphor

          • Purplerockmatt

            Malcolm is Carcetti

          • Alycia Swift

            The same actor who plays Littlefinger.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Wouldn’t that make Ozzy Omar? The analogy is falling apart!!

          • DrVanNostrand

            NO!!! Ozzy sucks too much to be Omar. Anyone but Ozzy can be Omar.

          • sharculese

            Fine.Troyzan is Omar now. Are you happy with what you did?

          • No! Malcolm is Omar. Or maybe Aubry? Someone cool.

          • sharculese

            Malcolm is Aubry? This is… making me feel things I didn’t expect.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Tai is probably the closest we’d get to someone who loves fish, so he’s Wee-Bey.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Alternately, Tai is Wallace or D’angelo, in that he’s good-natured enough, winds up dealing in dirt and it costing him big time.

          • DrVanNostrand

            You’re killing me with these Wire references!

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Oh, so you’re like Wallace.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Too soon.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            It will always be too soon.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I’m not a big crier at television. I SOBBED.

          • Ms_Woozah

            Sandra DID say The Wire was her shit on Twitter

          • Did she? God damn, that woman really is the queen.

          • Hornacek

            All of you guys’ The Wire references are spot on!

            Ah, who am I kidding. I never watched The Wire. Had to bluff my way through so many conversations.

    • Alycia Swift

      Agreed and I’d add, I want Caleb out.

      • Is it weird that, while I really like both Tony and Malcolm individually, the thought of an alliance between Tony, Malcolm and Caleb immediately gave me really bad vibes?

        • Alycia Swift

          I never watched Big Brother. Had no problem with him on KR but since I heard he’s been tutored by Russel and seeing how he acted a bit tonight (like he did not have a thought of his own and was parroting Russel), I have bad vibes too.

          • I don’t think it’s necessarily even Caleb, really. I think it’s that Caleb and Malcolm both work better for me when they have an alliance partner who can soften their more bro-y instincts. Like how Scot Pollard and Kyle Jason were both sort of palatable alone, but the combination was so, so much less than the sum of its parts.

      • You were giddy after last season’s premiere?

        • Alycia Swift

          Yes. I had a smile on my face. I really did enjoy last season.

          • I enjoyed last season, but I did not like that premiere at all.

          • Come On In Here

            I’VE NEVER SEEN THE WIRE!

          • Hornacek

            “Had to bluff my way through so many conversations.”

  • Kingoftonga

    So there’s probably an idol hidden in that lighthouse where the voting booth is, right?

    • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

      That’s been my thought since I saw Wigler’s Twitter avatar. It’s gotta be on that table or on a shelf.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Oh that is awesome

    • DrVanNostrand

      That would be great. I love the idea of fucking around with the locations of idols and clues.

    • sharculese

      At the very least there’s the best tribal council set since the one-two punch of Cook Islands and China hidden around that lighthouse. God I love this shipwreck theme so fucking much.

      • Ms_Woozah

        It’s SO good. I audibly gasped when I saw the lighthouse

        • sharculese

          I was waiting for something when I saw the immunity idol was a diving helmet, but this way surpasses what I expected. It’s one of the best pieces of set design they’ve ever pulled off.

    • purplerockandy

      I think you nailed it.

    • Hornacek

      The fact that there’s a window on the side of it and we saw quite a few shots through it while people were voting leads me to think they want to use that camera angle if anyone ever needs to search in there for an idol.

  • The ‘consensus’ strategy on Mana so far is interesting – I guess nobody wants to risk being definitively on the outside.

    It helps that we know there’s a swap coming next week, but even so, between Tony and Sandra they probably made the right choice. Sandra is weaker in the challenges, but hasn’t actually affected them yet. And the real difference between Tony and Sandra is that they’re both incredibly dangerous players, but Sandra is dangerous in a way that is predictable, and Tony is dangerous in a way that is unpredictable. I would bank on being able to remove Sandra from play later, but I’d never be certain that given a few more days, Tony wouldn’t manage to come up with something.

  • So, did we notice who was on the blue tribe. I got JT, Varner, Sandra, and Malcolm. Was Aubry there too?

    • Purplerockmatt

      Damn that is gonna be a fun tribe too. I wonder if Sandra wants to knock out winner after winner (before settling her Cirie beef)

      • Went back and checked. Blue tribe is Aubry, JT, Malcolm, Varner, Sandra….and Michaela. Yeap, blue tribe is the favorite tribe. But that also explains why JT sent all of them out snorkeling so he could find the idol.

        • Alycia Swift

          Which will put a target on him.

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            But if we swap into tribes of six, that might not matter if he can find the idol (given the new rules on ties)

        • Max_Jets

          Alright, so as long as that tribe is undefeated and Cirie runs her next tribe we are golden.

          • Here’s the thing: that is actually not a bad set up tribe because you can put Varner and Sandra on the puzzle while the other four beast the physical portion.

        • Max_Jets

          I wonder if this was planned. The 5 most entertaining players from one tribe swap together, while the rest (Hali, Troyzan, Caleb) swap into the minority.

          • Holy shit, I didn’t even think of that.
            I have to run and get my tinfoil hat.

            Also, Michaela knows what not to do in this situation.

        • jersey_luck

          The worst thing that can happen to that is that they lose the first immunity challenge and don’t vote Varner who has proven again to be a huge challenge liability for anyone. And I say that as someone who loves Varner but if they go down one with both Sandra and him on the same tribe, I think that they will keep on back to tribal council. Once they lose once I don’t think they recover in this way.

          • I have a weird hunch that Varner is next especially after he was highlighted for being the screw-up in both challenges (the locks with the puzzle and the snake dilemma).

          • jersey_luck

            Or he could be the player that keeps on making his tribe lose which keeps on getting players we really love voted out.

          • Yeah and he’s in danger of that next week considering the tribe he is on.

          • Hornacek

            I find it hard to blame someone for messing up part of a challenge which is unlocking locks. It’s not like someone is strong for the physical part or good at puzzle for the puzzle part. For unlocking locks it’s really just luck (and the ability to unlock a lock with a key, which hopefully most adults are able to do). Since you’re given multiple keys for multiple locks, it’s really just random chance if you pick the right key each time.

          • I should be clearer here: the edit is highlighting Varner’s weaknesses. Why would you include the backfighting between Varner and Probst in the same two-hour block where you are going to show Varner massively failing in the snake carrying portion.

          • Hornacek

            Not just the snake-carrying portion – he massively failed at the crawling-over-a-wooden-cage-wall portion. At first I thought he was being smart and staying on the wall so that he could get a bird’s eye view and direct everyone, but that didn’t seem to make a difference. Then when he could barely get back over the wall and couldn’t help with the snake I knew it was because he was spent.

          • At least he wasn’t awful with the balance beam.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Yeah, that’s now my favorite tribe.

    • PurpleTally

      Hell to the yes!

  • DrVanNostrand

    I had all kinds of thoughts as I was watching the episode, but now all I can say is… NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Alkanarra

    Ciera: Tony seems sneaky, but he could have an idol. Let’s split the votes and get him out.

    Everyone Else: Ciera is playing too hard. Blindside her.

    ***3 days later***

    Sandra: Tony seems sneaky, but he could have an idol. Let’s split the votes and get him out.

    Everyone Else: *is Sandra’s bitch*

    You better believe Ciera is at home rolling her eyes right now.

    • Mike Hirsch

      It’s too bad we’ll be deprived of her eye-rolling.

      • Alkanarra

        One part of me thinks with being first boot and having all this baggage that we’ll never see her again. The other part assumes she’ll be back in 3-4 seasons because that just seems to be what they’re doing with her.

        • Mike Hirsch

          Two words: Returning tribe ca…shit, wait. Three words: Returning tribe captain.

        • Hornacek

          Survivor is not above going against what the fans want and bringing back people because they want them back.

          Case in point – the viewers voted not to bring back Troyzan and Brad in Cambodia. So the show decided “The hell with what the viewers want – we’re bringing them back later anyway!”

    • DrVanNostrand

      Rolling her eyes at the fact that she’ll never be on the same level as The Queen.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Sandra know how to do things. She’s the MFing Queen.

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    “I’d like to be the first to say welcome to the Red Lobster team, Debbie!”
    “Thank you, sir. By the way, you never told me how much I’d be making.”
    “We’ll be paying you in free waitstaff training!”

    • DrVanNostrand

      I’d like to know exactly what kind of counter-intelligence training is involved in the air corps thing she was talking about. I’m pretty sure it’s just flying planes around from base to base. Who are they supposed to be worried about, zie Germans?

      • sharculese

        It was a sexual harassment seminar they told her was counter-intelligence training in order to shut her up.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        Apparently, they don’t train you on how to remember people’s names.

        • sharculese

          Yeah… that was like nail 1,000 in her coffin.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          They use call signs, Iceman!

          • sharculese

            I think you mean “isheman.”

          • Hornacek

            Debbie feels the need …

  • I am going to broach a controversial topic: who got mentioned and brought out on stage at the MvGX reunion.
    So far two of them have been the first two boots. Meanwhile, Sandra and Cirie seem to be in trouble, Tai and Michaela is murky while Caleb and Ozzy is sitting pretty. What does this all mean?

    • Mike Hirsch

      Inquiring minds want to know!

    • gouis

      Nothing? They were some of the biggest draws.

      • Caleb was a bigger draw than Malcolm?

        • Caleb was a guy the casuals watched really recently.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Who basically died.

          • Hornacek

            And rose from the dead 3 days later!

        • Max_Jets

          Survivor Facebook users do love suggesting a season with all returning medically evacuated players.

          • Alycia Swift

            Well they do not have enough of them for that. I read somewhere there were 14 overall. And I think 12 were male. There were players that were injured but not evacuated (like Missy).

          • sharculese

            Also, Skupin probably isn’t playing Survivor again.

        • Diego Armando

          They needed to hype him as a mega player to counteract the fact that they almost killed him.

        • purplerockandy

          Malcolm was probably out of country doing his thing for his new silly website.

    • PurpleTally

      It means that they wanted us to all get excited and then disappointed when the final 3 are Troy, Brad, and FFSDT.

      • Hey, that’s a fun coincidence that you mention those three are the final 3 when I have those three in my Pick 4.

        • PurpleTally

          I have 2 of those.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          “It’s witchcraft, wicked witchcraft!”

          • Mike Hirsch

            Now I’ll be singing “it’s strictly taboooooo” all night.

        • Mike Hirsch

          That’s a bold group.

        • DrVanNostrand

          Mine too! All they’re missing is Ozzy.

      • YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH!

        • PurpleTally

          You’re right. Should have said Sarah instead of FFSDT. That would be better for my fantasy team.

    • sharculese

      Andrea wins.

      • Except for her awful confessional tonight, I’m okay with that.

    • purplerockandy

      Maybe it means they were the ones who said yes.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Oh also, Kelley Wentworth! I am a big fan of hers! Say hi for me!

  • Adam B.

    “You see this? This the queen. She smart, she fast. She move any way she want, as far as she want. And she is the go-get-shit-done piece.” -D’Angelo Barksdale, THE WIRE.

    • These Words

      You come after the queen, you best not miss, Tony! Say hi to Ciera for me!

  • Side Character

    Man, I was super worried in the second half when it was Tony vs. Sandra. The editors like playing with us. I was so scared it was Sandra, because all of those little things they show right before someone goes home were there. But not only did Sandra not go home, no one voted against her. Not even Tony! It was so surprising to see that even he didn’t vote against Sandra, especially when he seemed so adamant about getting her out. Sad as I am that Tony is gone so soon, this is why I love Sandra. She makes damn sure that she isn’t going home.

    • Her instincts are absurd.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Yeah, so, since it was a split vote plan, and Tony wound up partaking in the split vote, does he get a VTEP point for his own boot?

    • DrVanNostrand

      The editors were obviously making false drama there. They do that a lot, and I’m sure it’s even easier on returnee seasons because everyone is playing so much harder. But it seems pretty obvious that the original idea carried the day and the rest was a red herring.

      • Side Character

        I think it wasn’t until tribal council when, ironically, Sandra was talking about how she was worried that it was her that I thought, “Okay, maybe she’s safe.” Still, I wasn’t entirely convinced that she wasn’t going home. But that’s just me worrying about Sandra in general.

        • DrVanNostrand

          I feel like on a vote that lopsided, things were decided well ahead of time. Surely, Tony put up a fight to put the target on Sandra, but since she didn’t get a single vote, it was a huge failure.

          • It looks like once the tides had firmly turned against Tony, the others all decided it was better to fall in line than risk being obviously on the wrong side of the vote. Psychologically, probably the right decision – it means they don’t officially cross the line into being ‘the enemy’, so there’s still room to manuoevre.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Good for everyone but Aubry! She’s one of my favorites and now I’m really worried about her.

          • Figaro

            I think she’ll be fine. Sandra’s only real beef with her was that she was aligned with Tony, and now that he’s gone I don’t feel like Aubry stays as the main target. Especially with the swap about to happen.

          • NearlyNina

            Except, I don’t know if that’s true.
            One thing that really surprised me was that Sandra put the target on Aubry saying that she was always going off with Tony. I would have thought it would have been Caleb, or even Malcolm before Aubry, so I have to wonder if this wasn’t a two birds with one stone type of play. Get out Tony, but if not get out strategic threat and Koah-Rong-4 Aubry. I think she might be in danger

          • Figaro

            Yeah, that’s true. I guess the thing that had me leaning towards ‘Sandra has nothing against Aubry’ is that she apologised to her during her voting confessional, but it really could go either way. Maybe I’m just hoping Aubry’s safe because I want her to be able to play longer

          • Hornacek

            I was surprised that in the first two episodes there was no mention of the Kaoh Rong 4

          • Hornacek

            It looked like Tony realized that he didn’t have the votes to get out Sandra, and someone (maybe Michaela?) told him Sandra’s alliance were splitting the votes between him and Aubry. So he told his alliance (what was left of them), minus Aubry, to vote for Aubry, hoping to get Aubry voted out, or maybe force a tie?

    • Alycia Swift

      Who did Tony vote against?

      • sharculese

        Aubry. Two votes Aubry, seven votes Tony.

  • Kingoftonga

    My favorite Sandra moment was how smoothly she avoided saying anything to the group in the first episode until she got a read on the situation. Tony asked her point blank at the well who she wanted to vote for, and she managed to get them to reveal what they knew about everyone’s plans before giving a firm answer.

    • PurpleTally

      Sandra is just really, really good at Survivor.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Even Varner was impressed!

      • Kemper Boyd

        She is so good at Survivor if she was remotely athletic she’d struggle to win.

    • Purplerockmatt

      what was funny was how everyone else was going to let her slide at first and Tony tried to insist because he is good enough to try and nail her down and he still couldn’t

      • Mike Hirsch

        The thing about Sandra that people who dismiss her tend to overlook is that she is *really* good at committing to her lies, and also able to tell you to your face that she doesn’t trust you in a way that gets you to trust her. No one is as good as she is at doing that.

        • You know who also tells people things to their faces and gets away with it? Adam…

          • Mike Hirsch

            Adam is the new Sandra!

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            “YOU WANT TO GET LOUD? I CAN GET LOUD, TOO! IT’S ACTUALLY MY NORMAL VOLUME! IN FACT, THIS IS ME WHISPERING!”

          • If Adam came back to play again and somehow became the second ever two-time winner that would be amazing.

          • ExtraLargePelican

            Adam Gentry?

  • PurpleTally

    I don’t know how y’all keep up with this chat. This is like when all of my 4th graders are talking at the same time. (But with less talk about Minecraft.)
    Also, I don’t feel like we’re giving enough love to Michaela for asking Troy “Is that your real name?” Because that was beautiful.

    • Purplerockmatt

      That got a real belly laugh with me. Just loved that so much

    • If she had followed up with “Ok cool, because I’m not calling you that,” I would have built a shrine to her.

      • Hornacek

        She should have said “That’s not a real name.”

    • Mike Hirsch

      That was beautiful. And part of the fun of the comments is the chaotic joy of it all.

    • Welcome to the liveblog where everybody is amped up and our lives don’t really matter.

      • It’s 3.48 in the morning for me.

        Luckily I’d booked tomorrow off work before I even realised it was the Survivor premiere.

        • PurpleTally

          Smart move. My students are taking a practice test all day tomorrow, so all I have to do is sit around and grade papers. That doesn’t require a ton of energy.

        • I somehow didn’t get scheduled to work when I normally work on Thursdays.

      • Mike Hirsch

        It’s basically the old Buffy board all over again.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          THERE WAS A BUFFY BOARD?!

          • Mike Hirsch

            The Buffy Cross and Stake, back in the days of the Voy forums. We all liked each other so much we actually all went on vacations together, to Vegas, London, Philadelphia, etc. The board is dead, but a lot of us still keep in touch. But we used to be posting on there every day and night, and any time there was a new episode, you’d stay up until 3am discussing it.

          • sharculese

            Oh man, this is making me nostalgic for the days of the Official Coldpay forum (no, I wasn’t a Coldplay fan, it’s a complicated story) except I haven’t talked to any of them in a couple of years.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I just wish I’d known

          • Violina23

            Me too, Me too.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I wish I was an internet board nerd back then! Although I was like 14 so probably not the best for me to be meeting adults like that.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Yeah, I was going to say “we hung out with lots of 16 year olds” but that makes it sound bad. But there were a few that were like 7 years younger than me at the time that wound up becoming some of my best friends from the board.

          • indescribable hat

            How much younger than you are they now?

      • Alycia Swift

        This only lasts for a day or so then it calms down.

        • Because it moves on to the newest post.

          • Which will probably be the fantasy league post or something like that.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Oh boy! I can’t wait to read Matt’s gleeful posts about me being stuck with just Debbie in Outcasts League. This is gonna be worse than having Rodney in WA.

          • sharculese

            If only you could have snagged Troyzan…

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Rub it in…

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            phrasing

          • DrVanNostrand

            I snagged Troy and Debbie in Champions League. You’ll all be weeping when Sandra beats them at FTC and I’m the ultimate victor.

          • sharculese

            That was SNP’s plan in Outcasts until I scooped up Troyzan before he could. No really. That’s how the Outcasts draft went.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Does Debbie have a family member she definitely did not kill?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            The jury is out on that one.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I mean she is a water felon for a reason

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            But she’s also a part-time model for no reason.

          • DrVanNostrand

            When Probst tossed her the flint, I really wanted her to say, “Thanks, but we don’t need fire. I looked at the water and it’s totally safe.”

          • sharculese

            Because… of the felonies?

          • sharculese

            No.

          • Did you have Tony or Ciera?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Tony. And if Debbie had gone home instead I could have comforted myself with the fact that if I only had one person left it would be the one that could still get me the win. Not so much now.

            I hope Debbie has a shitty birthday.

          • Damn SNP

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            And I hope she has to do dishes!

          • indescribable hat

            Cold, man.

          • Alycia Swift

            Yes, but you don’t get more than a thousand posts on that one.

    • DrVanNostrand

      You will always get upvotes for shitting on Troy. As far as keeping up with the chat, it’s gotten much less manageable since AVClub shut down regular reviews. It takes a lot of effort now, and you’re guaranteed to miss a lot.

      • Yeah, sorry about that. Although it’s certainly a better problem to have than a comments section filled with crickets.

        I’d be interested in switching to a more manageable commenting system, but I haven’t seen one.

        • Violina23

          For the most part, I don’t HATE disqus. It’s just when it’s buggy it’s REALLY buggy. Still the best one I’ve encountered.

    • Alycia Swift

      Well I’m getting no work done tonight – that’s how I’m keeping up. Doing the chat, watching the Expanse and Major Crimes.

      • DrVanNostrand

        I have to watch the Expanse and Legion later this week. Survivor now owns Wed. night.

        • Alycia Swift

          Wednesday seems to be the night that a lot is on: Survivor, The Expanse, Major Crimes, the 100 and I just saw the tivo recording Ripper Street. Its the one night I try to leave work on time. (And I know the 100 is not great. I like it.)

    • sharculese

      Do you want us to talk more about Minecraft? It’s um… got blocks in it and shit? I think it’s like Stardew Valley for people who arent yet weeping for when they were children and life was simple?

      • PurpleTally

        Haha. I swear I spend 10% of my day saying “Minecraft is not related to the American Revolution.”
        I don’t know much about it, but it’s kind of like virtual Lego.

        • Violina23

          I’d rather my daughter play Minecraft than obsess over the stupid plastic pieces of crap that are Shopkins…

          • PurpleTally

            Oh yeah. For sure. I don’t understand the whole Shopkins thing at all.

        • sharculese

          Have you tried just flipping that. I’m sure somebody is doing war reenactments in Minecraft and posting them to youtube.

          We’re doing a program to help students who are behind at a school that’s struggling right now, and the other day one of my colleagues was getting her students to understand inertia by watching clips from Gravity.

          • PurpleTally

            There possibly are. There are Lego reenactments, too, but none of them are spectacular. I’m student teaching right now, and I know my Cooperating Teacher wouldn’t be into it. But definitely when I have my own class.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I JUST TYPED THAT! I knew I liked you

    • Kemper Boyd

      You just accept you’ll miss stuff. You might write something that’s already being discussed way downthread and you try your best to stay up to date on disqus.

    • gouis

      It’s kind of exploded in the last few times. It used to be easy to hang in every discussion, now it just moves so fast.

    • Hornacek

      And my work productivity on Thursdays takes a dive for the next 13 weeks.

  • I have mostly wiped the entirety of One World from my brain, so with that in mind…I found Troy unobjectionable this episode.

    I’m sorry.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Give him time.

    • He is the big reason why Tony and Sandra went after each other so soon.

      • Max_Jets

        Maybe I should wait a couple days, but Tony is the reason Tony and Sandra went after each other. I’m fine blaming Troy though.

      • I’m not so sure. I think they were so fundamentally incompatible that pretty much anything could and would have been the tipping point.

        • But he straight up gave the lamest lie of all Survivor history. How can you be watching the tide at night?

          • True. But also no matter how good the lie was Tony still wasn’t going to believe it, because he’s Tony.

          • But they could have said something more believable.

          • sharculese

            “Tony, there’s a horse in the ocean that farts out idols. That’s how idols are hidden this season.”

          • I mean, there are sea horses.

          • Alycia Swift

            And they probably fart.

    • PurpleTally

      Reminding yourself that this is a grown man who wants people to call him TROYZAN helps considerably.

      • indescribable hat

        I kind of miss when he had Tarzan stealing his thunder.

        • Hornacek

          We need more quantum entanglements on Survivor.

    • sharculese

      He was also barely present this episode.

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      He ruined the dream alliance.

      And he’s barely begun.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Then I expect you’ll find his eventual win unobjectional as well.

      • Don’t you dare even say it.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          #SummerOfTroyzan

          • Fortunately, it’s spring.

            (Except in Florida, where it’s pretty much always summer. Other than like two glorious months when it’s “chilly summer”.)

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I live in San Antonio. It’s summer until January. And I’m getting really good at these hashtags!

          • HBO CEO of Tits

            Oh, really? I’m in the old Bexar county, too. Small world.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Technically I’m out in UC.

          • indescribable hat

            It’s supposed to be winter here but it’s all warm and terrifying.

          • It’s always fucking warm in Florida. I own jeans that I haven’t worn in 3 years because it’s never cool enough outside to wear anything but shorts.

          • indescribable hat

            Whoooooa

          • Violina23

            #SurvivorSpring

          • Hornacek

            Now I need a scene of Troyzan yelling at Sandra saying “We had a pact!”

    • DrVanNostrand

      Was Troy in the first episode?

      • Yeah, Michaela asked him what his name was.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Michaela speaks for all of us when she says “is that your real name”?

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    Is everybody ready for all the people online who are going to say that Sandra doesn’t have a strategic bone in her body still? LOLZ. She could literally win again, and there will be people who don’t give her credit.

    Long live the fucking Queen.

    But I do want to extend some love to those grieving Tony, who weren’t ready to see him get voted out. I know there are people who feel the way about Tony the way that I feel about Sandra. I’m sorry.

    • Purplerockmatt

      I just love them both so much

    • Alkanarra

      Seriously. Even if Sandra is out next week, she has already defended her title. First she stays out of it and votes with the tribe and gets into a safe alliance. Then when Tony gets paranoid, rather than try to stick it out and win him back, she immediately realizes things went sour and, as Varner said, puts together an alliance in “15 minutes” to save herself. One of the largest challenge liabilities organized a vote split when Malcolm, Caleb, Tony, and Michaela were all saying they should get rid of the weaker physical players. It’s just unreal to think about.

      • Come On In Here

        She didn’t get a single vote against. Not. One. Vote. I am shocked.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        It really was masterful. And it showed that “anybody but me” is a simplification of her. She’s so much more.

        And I think you’re right – no matter what, she’s already defended the title. She got through the first two votes without a single one against, masterminded a vote (with a split, no less), and got rid of one of the best players of all time who was ready to target her.

      • Maritimer

        Not only did she do all that, she did something really well that we didn’t see I think, because I was expecting a 4-3-2 split at that tribal with Malcolm, Caleb, Tony, and Aubry voting together. She must have been damn sure to split that vote

        • I think when it came down to it, no one wanted to tank their game for Tony. Sure, they might have wanted to work with him for a time, but he’s not in anyone’s endgame plans. It wasn’t worth the fight.

          Malcolm may actually be the biggest beneficiary of this. With Tony gone, I figure he inherits Caleb.

          • Maritimer

            Probably true. Still early enough that as long as there is a name out there that isn’t yours, you just roll with it (MICHAELA)
            Malcolm definitely gets Caleb, Caleb is all about the bro-down alliances

          • Hornacek

            While this is likely true, it’s funny that his biggest alliance in Survivor before this was with Tai – the ultimate bro!

    • purplerockandy

      I honestly was kind’ve hoping she’d talk all season long about getting rid of Tony, then not get rid of him, then win against him in the finals. I’d love how it would break all the brains of the haters.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I’m so worried about her. She was so fucking enjoyable. But she showed so much of her ability and I think only Malcolm had spotted her true ability before but if the rest don’t know that she’s very dangerous then they are even stupider than I thought before.

  • So, I did some Champion League snooping and we are already down to 9.

    • sharculese

      My team of Troyzan and Caleb is doing okay.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Hahahahaa really? Amazing!

      • Yeap. I thought maybe two people were down to 1, but no, we have a new co-least points earned participant.

        • Purplerockmatt

          Well no not really, because tony voted for Ciera, so that person did not match the immortal Bassmanxvi

          • Oh damn it, I hate math.

          • Violina23

            I love this thread so much. <3

        • Nah. No one’s ever going to tie bassmanxvi. That was just so amazing. He’s the Ulong of the Champions League.

          • Side Character

            No, the Matsing. Ulong at least won some challenges.

    • Holy shit, you’re right!

      But the all-time Champions League low of zero points was not matched. This will easily be the second-lowest score ever, though.

      • Violina23

        I am married to a legend. A LEGEND!

    • DrVanNostrand

      monitorman’s team is exactly why I stopped picking players I like. That’s the kind of team I would’ve picked before the Costanza strategy. I may not win with my current team, but I won’t be dead last!

      • I would have never picked Ciera though unless she was forced on me. Ciera just screams “I’m the first boot”.

        • DrVanNostrand

          I picked her in Cambodia, because I have terrible judgement.

          Edit: Also picked Varner and Vytas

        • Yeah, I was terrified of Ciera in fantasy. I just didn’t see her making strong bonds in that tribe.

          • Yeah, she was screwed with that tribe especially.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I had to predict her as first out just to rub it in Andy’s face if I was right

          • Well sure, you just copied my pick. Which is a great strategy, since I’m amazing at this.

          • Um…yeah you are clearly so good that you picked the winner of the season as your preseason winner pick….oh wait.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I was predicting Ciera as the first boot long before you recorded. In fact I remember going public with it in the staff chat to make sure I wouldn’t get accused of copying!

          • purplerockandy

            The great thing about arguments like this is you both can basically just make up facts about the past because neither of you will remember.

        • Maritimer

          Yup. though I picked Tony to avoid her in my league (and let Troy fall), so its not like it worked out much better

  • Side Character

    Oh, hey I just remembered! Another reason for people to hate on Debbie: Unless I’m deaf (which could be a possibility), I am pretty sure she was pronouncing Cirie’s name as ‘Shiree’. It bugged the hell out of me.

    • Purplerockmatt

      She did and it was the worst

    • Repeatedly. It wasn’t just a flub.

    • I kept mishearing and going ‘wait, Shirin is on this season?’

      • If only.

        Actually, no. I don’t think I could take it. It’s already hard enough with Tony vs. Sandra and Cirie vs. Sandra.

        • DrVanNostrand

          The most appropriate way for this season to go is that Sandra just takes out all the other favorites. She’s the Littlefinger of Survivor. She’ll burn the whole thing to the ground if she can rule over the ashes.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            We all already agreed to do The Wire tonight.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Yeah don’t mix your tv show metaphors!

          • Phrasing?

      • Violina23

        That’s what I thought she said too!

    • Diego Armando

      No it was Shuree. Her next chyron should be “Failed Pronunciation Guide”.

      • Alycia Swift

        or Phillip Sheppard Impersonator.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Really? Debbie is annoying? I’m shocked.

    • free7694

      I assume the only reason Debbie is back is because Coach said no.

      (Really CBS, if you want a Coach-like character on your “Game Changers” season, just get Coach.)

  • Baulderstone

    “I figured Michaela would be cool.”

    I’m still laughing at the fact anyone could say that with a straight face.

  • Reminder/announcement: Tomorrow night at 9:15 Eastern, Emma and Kelley Wentworth will be doing a LIVE podcast. You’ll (hopefully) be able to submit questions live, but you can also do so beforehand if you’d prefer.

    • sharculese

      Emma, please make Kelley pick all her favorite songs off Deja Entendu. If she hasn’t listened to it before, make her listen to if before tomorrow.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        No.

    • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

      I think I now how you and Andy would respond, so I’d like to hear it from a former player: Aside from the easy “Kim in One World” answer, which winner/season combo has the greatest disparity in quality? Wentworth might be political and dodge this question, but I think the answer from a different perspective would be insightful.

    • Alkanarra

      Could you ask her if she had a chance to play with returnees, who she would choose for the season?

      Her answer probably won’t be as good as Ozzy saying Cao Boi, but it’d still be interesting to hear.

      • I bet his answer was based on more on their joint fondness for a certain plant more than Plan Voodoo.

        • sharculese

          You just know Ozzy has already asked Tai if he ever does any ‘special’ gardening. Like five times.

          • Yeap. I assume he also thinks that JT farms other stuff besides cattle.

    • Violina23

      If you could swap in with one of the castaways on this season, who would it be?

  • Diego Armando

    They are setting Debbie up for humiliation, right? They showed her mangling Cirie’s name and claiming that no one can outsmart her. This has to be the start of Drewchebag level stuff, right?

    • We can only hope.

    • Baulderstone

      On top of that, the longest scene with Debbie is her filling water bottles, just to remind us that she a horrible person who falsified water tests.

    • Kemper Boyd

      The mispronouncing of Cirie may be the worst thing Debbie had ever done…

  • Diego Armando

    Unintentionally funniest line of the night: Sarah: “I have a great social game”.

    I could not stop thinking about the time she went power mad with being the swing vote.

    • Yeah, that was bonkers.

    • DrVanNostrand

      How about when she said that she played a 100% loyal game last time? Apparently she forgot about the time she flipped on Tony and got herself voted out because Tony flipped Kass.

      • Prom King

        *Trish flipped Kass

        • Hornacek

          “What are you talking about? Trish didn’t flip me, I flipped all on my own! No one changed my mind, I did it all by myself.”

        • indescribable hat

          Tony says Jefra flipped Kass.

          • Prom King

            That could be true of course but it could also be just one more opinion. I go by what I actually saw on the show.

        • Diego Armando

          Or Jefra according to Tony.

          • Prom King

            Who knows. That’s a he said, she said game and I just go by what I see from my couch.

            But if it is true, it is another example (I’ve heard but don’t recall others) of how the editing downplayed Jefra’s effectiveness.

      • Hornacek

        In Sarah’s defense, Tony flipped on her with the “Top Five!” outburst. Whether you believe that Tony meant it or not when he said it, as far as Sarah was concerned, Tony had flipped on her.

    • Hornacek

      America’s first female president!

    • Violina23

      I actually said aloud to my husband “Whuuuuuuuut?”

    • Dr.Horrible

      She actually said that she has a “phenomenal” social game. Since phenomenal is generally at least three rungs above great it’s even funnier.

      • Lira2012

        My husband, the casual viewer, turned to me and said, “So, she’s getting voted off?”

  • “Queen Stays Queen” is my new favorite tautology.

    I…don’t think I’ve ever watched a Sandra season! So this was fun, like watching live pyromania.

    As you all know, I have terrible taste in men. Caleb is perfect. That is all.

    • So you need to put this terrible taste in men thing to the test: Watch Naked Attraction! I want your opinion on it.

      • If this is some gay Bachelor-type thing, we had this in America on Logo and it was terrible. I only watched every episode once.

        • Here’s what it is:

          1 person chooses between 6 people to date. (Wait, don’t leave! It gets better!)
          The decision is made by revealing the naked bodies of the potential dates: first the lower half, then the torso, then the face, and finally the voice. The decision-maker must eliminate someone at every round. When it is down to just two potential dates remaining, the person picking gets naked.

          And though the show may be British, it is not remotely Victorian. You see *everything*. Like close-ups. It’s insane.

          • ….this is a lot to deal with, John.

          • You watch like the first 5 minutes, then you just can’t look away! They do critiques of penises and butts and pubes as if they’re at a grocery store selecting produce! (Wait, that sounds like I’m saying produce has pubes…)

          • StormofCuteness

            Oh jesus, where can this trainwreck be found? *knowing full well I will watch every episode*

          • It aired on Channel 4 in the UK. I believe you might be able to watch it on their website.

          • Kemper Boyd

            So I definitely made this a thing.

          • indescribable hat

            Why didn’t anyone tell me about this before?

          • Blame Kemper. She held out on us.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          You should absolutely watch this show. Seconded.

          • Figaro

            Thirded. I decided to watch the first little part of the first episode just to see what it was like and ended up promptly binging the entire season

    • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

      Did you not see Malcolm in those briefs at the challenge?

      • Pass. HARD pass.

        • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

          Booooooo you do have terrible taste.

          • Thank you, thank you, no applause, thank you. [bows]

            [buttons and bows]

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Phrasing!

      • VoicOff

        He is cute but sadly such a flat ass

    • VoicOff

      You should drop everything and go watch the Sandra seasons immediatly. Go go go

  • sharculese

    I love how costuming was like “Hey Aubry, you got any more sweaters with weird fractal patterns on them,” and she was like “well, as a matter of fact…”

    • Except in KR, it was just a regular t-shirt.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I doubt this is intentional, but her wacky demeanor actually makes her seem less threatening. I’ve never been as wrong about a player in the preseason as I was about Aubry (and I’ve never been as right as I was about Ken).

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        #CaucasianWoo

        • Dude, no.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I mean, I upvoted it, but you’re right. It’s not fair to Woo because he isn’t nearly as much of a smug douche as Ken.

          • Why are you attacking me?

          • gouis

            It’s OK B.A. I think Ken is wonderful.

          • sharculese

            Oh, the heady days of early MvX, when I was pointing out how Ken was obviously a complete douche and nobody would listen to me.

          • Ken is definitely a smug douche, but at least with the David vote, he was able to show that he had some understanding of Survivor as a game in which people try to win.

          • Guys, do I have a type?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I’m just naturally good at hashtagging! Like Caucasian Woo was at… stuff.

          • Being a weasel?

      • sharculese

        I may have upset my roommate tonight because she asked which one was Aubry and I said, “the one who kind of looks like you.”

        • Alkanarra

          Better keep Black Dynamite away then.

          • sharculese

            There’s a barrier of several thousand miles, so it should be fine.

        • Kemper Boyd

          So your saying your roommate is hot in a nerd way?

          • sharculese

            Apparently my roommate “doesn’t have a pinched face like her.”

          • Kemper Boyd

            Tell her a lot of your weird online friends think Aubry is hot.

      • Kemper Boyd

        It is 100% on purpose. Everyone is in an out for like their first. You think Ozzy at 34 owns a camouflage tshirt?

        • Adam B.

          In his case, entirely possible.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Come on, a man doesn’t continue to wear camouflage t-shirts after dating Lindsey Lohan!

          • sharculese

            How else is he gonna hide from Lindsey Lohan? I mean, you could wear a sandwichboard that says “I don’t have any cocaine,” I guess?

          • NearlyNina

            0-0 Whaaaaaaaaaaaat!!!!!
            Why was that a thing????? Ughhhhhhh!

        • Maritimer

          I seem to recall Stephen saying after Cambodia that for the most part they were all told to wear something similar to their first time playing, except for a few like him who were allowed to change to show growth/change. So I imagine its similar here, except in cases like Varner and Ozzy, its their most recent time

        • sharculese

          1.) Yeah, seriously, it’s still Ozzy.

          2.) They didn’t know the theme, but the HvV cast figured out the tribe divisions before the season because you could ask people what colors costuming was asking them to use in their submissions. The ‘dress like you did your first time’ instruction fixes that.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Ummm have you seen this season? they clearly had the tribes split up before Nat Anderson pulled out as everyone is in red or blue and then Malcolm and Aubry are both in all blue on the orange tribe and Brad and Tai are in orange on the blue tribe!

  • Side Character

    It’s interesting to me to see Sandra in such a dominant role on her tribe. It’s also interesting to note that this is the first time that she’s on a tribe that’s down in numbers (though that may change with the impending switch). I wonder if having to go to tribal council so quickly has pushed her into ‘offense’ mode this early. In Pearl Islands and Heroes vs. Villains, she was on the dominant tribe with more alphas trying to run the show, so aside from cussing at everyone, she was invisible. As long as they were winning, she never had to worry about being labelled the weakest link. Here, people know what she’s capable of, and she can’t just rest on the laurels of her tribe’s dominance. I’m curious to see what she’ll do when the switch happens, because she’s never been on a season with a switch. I hope she pulls through, but I shall wait and see.

  • Adam B.

    Dan Fienberg, THR, bringing it in one perfect sentence: “If you thought of Sandra as being a viper prone to expertly stabbing people in the back, her coordination of the vote against Tony was done in plain sight, so blatant and in-control that she could practically have been sitting on his chest, knife in the air yelling, ‘I’m stabbing you in the front.'”

  • Sylvisual

    Hot take: I was worried after the first hour, because I was SO bored. But man, the Tony vs. Sandra war was fun. While I don’t think either are long for this world, if they’re half as entertaining as that, I can’t wait. Go Sandra!

    Was anyone else a stand out? I think I fell asleep during some confessionals. Malcolm seems to be an early narrator, Sierra got the Meh-gacy Advantage (come ON, Andrea), and Ozzy still sucks at strategy. But really, why bother making tribe dynamics interesting when it’s getting remixed next week? Kind of killed the show’s momentum.

    • I fully agree with this. That first hour was kinda awful (I bet that is part of the reason why they made it a two-hour, two boot episode). But it also felt like a lot of people who needed the shine early like Sarah, SDT, Troy, and Hali were almost after thoughts, especially in that first episode.

      • Maritimer

        Yeah, they certainly didn’t step up the content on the WTF casting choices, which makes me feel good about how this is going to go generally

        • The only one who got some substance in regards to confessionals was Sarah, but it wasn’t a lot. Hali got some good island scenes as she is sorta set up to be Sandra’s number 2 or 3, which is not good for her in the swap.

          • Maritimer

            Yeah, Sarah is the only one who got “player” confessionals. Hali, like you said, looks like an anonymous swap boot – either as Sandra’s number or just ends up in a bad place

    • Kemper Boyd

      I think Sandra showed herself way way too soon.

    • indescribable hat

      Sierra getting a mediocre advantage by chance is like a joke about her being a pale shadow of Wentworth.

      • In a better world, somewhere, Nat A has that advantage right now.

  • Ethan Kyle

    Sandra not giving a fuck in general <3
    Ciera going home first <3

  • Ms_Woozah

    My favorite part about all this is that despite all the chaos, Sandra and Tony voted for the Same. Person. Just so beautifully absurd.

    I’m really sad to lose Tony so soon, but if we had to lose him, this was the only acceptable way.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      That or having Tommy Kirk go out and shoot him in the corn crib.

      • StormofCuteness

        *covers my eyes and ears*
        NOOOOOOOOOO! Not Old Yeller, man.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          “I’ll do it, ma. Tony’s my survivor.”

  • Roswulf

    Whelp, I got TOTALLY played by the edit on that second vote.

    I am deliriously happy (and I love Tony).

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    I watched this three hours ago, and I’m honestly still shook. I don’t think it’s too far out there to say that we’re in for a great season. This may possibly top Cambodia, though to hear Barbara Anderson say it, Cambodia is the Mendoza Line of Survivor seasons. Then again, to hear me talk about Cambodia, I probably sound like Hawk Harrelson, claiming that the greatest batting practice there ever was happened on July 7th, 1968, at Fenway Park, held by Reggie Smith. And Stoney, Reggie was not a particularly large player—and that’s strike one—he topped out about six feet. And he wasn’t particularly built either, not like the Big Hurt Frank Thomas. But lemme tell you, Stoney, Reggie could hit them like Frank. Yes, he could. He’d be spraying them every which way, and on this batting practice—the count’s now two-and-one—Reggie started left-handed, he always started left-handed, and he was just hitting balls clear over the Monster. Because he could. He had that strength. And the sound of the bat? Crisper than a Sarasota morning in July. I think he rattled off seven of those, and then he switched to batting right-handed because he was a switch-hitter, Stoney, you don’t see many of those nowadays. You’ve got Melky. Carlos Beltran, he’s good. Victor Martinez, he just absolutely kills us. Every time he faces one of our guys, the at-bat usually ends in his favor. But you don’t see many others. Anyway—and the last at-bat was a single for Tyler, Yolmer now at 0 and 2—not a lot of switch-hitters. The last great one was Chipper Jones, he could hit. A first-ballot Hall-of-Famer if there ever was one. And, um, wait this post was supposed to go somewhere. That’s right, the PRP Fantasy Baseball League! We’re trying to reach 12 players, and this may end up being the last night we recruit. Even if this is the first PRP post you’ve read or commented in, we’re asking you to consider joining. I think it’s worth mentioning that we’ve got some of the coolest PRP regulars in @BlackDynamite and @KemperBoyd and one of the podcast’s founders in @PurpleRockAndy. But that shouldn’t even matter because if you made it through that entire post, then this league is for you. So comment below before the league fills because we’re cutting off at 12. This may be your last chance; don’t wait to claim a spot.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Is it like regular fantasy baseball?

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        I mean, define regular. If you mean scoring, that’s yet to be decided. But it’ll be hosted on Yahoo, if that matters to regularity.

      • But Purple Rock-ier!

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Holy shit.

    • HBO CEO of Tits

      Needs more Yaz for real Hawk Harrelson-ness. My God, you must have watched as much White Sox baseball as I have.

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        But that would be disingenuous because Reggie Smith had the best batting practice, and not, as you would expect, the great Carl Yastrzemski. But Yaz, he had, I swear, the best batting eye in all my fifty years of baseball. You couldn’t best it. There was one time he was at the plate, it was a full count–and now the count is 1-and-2–and there bases were loaded. Changeup just outside, but he’s Carl Yastrzemski, and he’s tracking it–and a slider down and away, 2-and-2–he knows it’s a changeup all the way, and being Yaz, he could have easily dropped that in left field and drove in a run. But what does he do? He takes and walks in the run! And now Yolmer’s struck out, back to the top of the order with Timmy, Tyler still at first. But the pitcher, Stan Williams, from out on the mound, he’s sure it’s a strike. So he’s barking at the umpire like a pit bull at a squirrel, and Yaz knows what he saw, so he just drops the bat and saunters on over to first.

    • rygel

      I’m up for some fantasy baseball, if there are still spots.

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        Awesome, can you dm me your email at @BradleyDer on twitter?

    • Kent McK

      I will play if you still are looking.

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        Then you just claimed the last spot. Can you dm me your email on Twitter at @BradleyDer?

  • Black Dynamite

    Tonight was a good test in me figuring out which of the amazing Survivor players I’m most rooting for this season. While I was bothered by Tony and Sandra being potential targets, the mere mention of Aubry being involved in a vote split caused me to freak out. I can’t bear to see Aubry ever go.

    • Max_Jets

      True. Aubry>Michaela>Cirie>Malcolm/Sandra seems to be my current hierarchy of interest right now. Aubry and Michaela might swap though, since we have seen so little of Michaela.

      • Prom King

        Take out Malcolm and that’s my priority order too. Although I do love Malcolm.

    • Violina23

      I know, I had a major sad seeing her as the “second name” in the split 🙁

    • Roswulf

      I had the same experience- my emotional reaction to this episode crystallized my season fandom.

      Personally my top-tier ranking shook out as Sandra>Cirie>Michaela>Tony. I spent most of the second episode DEVASTATED that Sandra was going to lose her power struggle with Tony. And then there’s a less clearly defined second tier for me of roughly Aubry>Zeke>Malcolm>Varner.

      I also discovered a list of who I’m really routing against consisting of Debbie < Ozzie . It turns out I want Ozzie to suffer more than expected.

      Bear in mind I have never seen Brad or Troyzan before, or they would likely make my bottom list. But as of right now, they inspire no emotion in me.

  • Prom King

    That second hour was so awesome and painful but mainly awesome. Damn you Troyzan for ruining something beautiful because the idea of Sandra + Aubry + Tony was heaven to me. Well I guess Tony really ruined it for himself. Very satisfying to watch Sandra run shit without breaking a sweat. She’s the best villain ever. I loved how she had to say that “I really do not care about who gets voted off” TWICE, just in case any viewers mistakenly thought she was trying to be funny or ironic.

    Also painful but not at all awesome was watching Cirie strike out with Sarah (ugh), Zeke, and Debbie. Thank the sweet Lord that there is a swap. I would love it if she recreated a Panama type alliance by bringing together a solid team of emotional misfits and one golden boy and then ran things behind the scenes. Troyzan, Tai, Michaela, Malcolm… bring them all together Cirie! But who knows what she’ll do and if she’ll get out of trouble. She can play a nimble game and has played from the bottom before and succeeded, so I have a little hope.

    Michaela was my favorite from last season but as someone else has said, she just seems outclassed here. She’s still wonderful though. What a fun personality and very easy on the eyes.

    There is something hypnotic about Aubry. I just like watching her think.

    “Chickens will get Tai in trouble” was some very bizarre foreshadowing, maybe? I don’t think I’ve seen a survivor’s fate be tied to chicken care before.

    It is so hard for me to even look at Ozzy. Oh and good riddance to completely overrated Ciera.

    For some reason I found it endearing that JT and Sandra and Tony all put on the pounds before coming out to survivor island. Life must be treating them well! Adding in Cirie and Varner, that’s a lot of chub this season. Which makes me happy because I am strongly against having to watch Caleb type bodies all the time.

    I’m so glad to be back on this blog! Now I have a bunch of articles to catch up on. That Sandra vs. Cirie one looks very tantalizing.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I’m very worried that Sandra showed herself too soon.

      • Prom King

        Same here.

    • Violina23

      I think Sandra ruined it first by underestimating just how paranoid and impulsive Tony is. Once she got caught talking to Troy and made those TERRIBLE [unnecessary] lies, it was all over. She had to get Tony out, or it would have been her.

      That said, I don’t know if she can recover from appearing so aggressive so early, when she doesn’t have the physical game to back herself up.

      • Prom King

        Well, there is the fact that Tony is a paranoid mess and was literally scurrying around like a bug on his hands and knees so he could sneak around and listen to people. For a winner, I’m surprised he didn’t realize that smart players will listen to other players tossing around names and at least let them think they are making a solid point. Confronting Sandra in front of Troy didn’t even allow her to explain things to him rationally, so she had to make a quick and unfortunately stupid lie. Because Tony was a paranoid mess! If I’m going to call anything terrible or unnecessary, it would be all of Toni’s actions.

        • I agree. But I’m in the weird position of both liking Tony and feeling that I’d have been pissed off if he HADN’T gone home, because getting rid of Tony is clearly the most sensible play for pretty much everyone. It’s like David last season – the best TV is rarely the same as the best play.

          • Prom King

            I feel like the same way. Tony is one of my favorites. But that said, it played out beautifully and in the end I was rooting for Sandra and against him.

  • m0nit0rman

    OH JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!

    BOTH MY CHAMPIONS POOL PICKS GONE IN ONE SWELL FWOOP.

    • Kemper Boyd

      At least you are now a legend!

      • Violina23

        And he’s all mine, ladies 😉

        • Purplerockmatt

          Gotta hold onto that one tight with both hands and not let go

        • He’s definitely getting a shout out this week in the fantasy standings.

  • Prom King

    I’m not sure if this Probst interview has been discussed yet:

    http://ew.com/tv/2017/03/07/survivor-jeff-probst-game-changers-winner-prediction/

    But it’s awesome to me that he wants Cirie or Sandra to win because that’s not the Probst I’ve disliked for so long.

    And it’s hilarious that he actually picks Ciera to win. First out! Never change, Jeff.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Jeff would be a really bad player. He’s got no instinct for what players are interested in and afraid of. Ciera always comes across as though she’s thinking too much and when you couple it with her reputation it freaks people out. If Hali had said what Ciera did in episode 1 they wouldn’t have voted her out but Ciera also doesn’t learn that the perception of her is dangerous and she needs to calm down for the first 10 days.

      • PurpleTally

        Totally agree. He’s looking at the game as a producer, not someone calculating their best chance at winning $1,000,000. You do have to make some moves to win the game, but not always (*cough* Michele *cough*). Jeff’s biggest issue is that he, like Russell, doesn’t understand the jury portion of the game. He is constantly trying to manipulate the jury, but humans are unpredictable. Someone who is able to make it to the end and play a game correctly prediction what will be rewarded by the jury is the person who will and should win every season. Ciera making #BigMoves makes her good TV; not a good Survivor player.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Some players have to win first time and I think Ciera is one of them. She’s not a bad player but she plays a way you can’t with a reputation.

          • PurpleTally

            That’s a really good point. I think Russell is another one of those players, though he had a unique second chance with HvV. Tony is one who I think could only win his first time, and luckily for him, he did. Now I’m going to be thinking of other players that fit in this category all day.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Cirie somehow got a second shot but after Micronesia I think she’s in a lot of trouble every time she plays. I think Aubry could be in the same boat.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            There’s obviously not a big enough sample size of two-time winners but logically it has to help if your first win can be interpreted as lucky or unearned. Fabio or Michele wouldn’t be targeted the way Kim or Boston Rob would.

          • PurpleTally

            You can also apply this to people who didn’t win. Like their style of play won’t work a second time after everyone knows their deal.

          • purplerockandy

            Joe Anglim is another. If he ever had it in him to win.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Sandra calling out to Tony after he was voted out was one of her worst move on Survivor. She needs to use that against people who are hated and still around not make a huge pronouncement of how good she is.

    • Head Architect Sylvia

      I agree. I don’t think she’s used to having this much power. I mean, it’s only one vote and things can shift so quickly. Tony is hugely respected so I think comments like that are pretty foolish on her part. I guess you could argue that the target on her back can’t really get any larger so it might not be a big deal. Sometimes it’s the little comments that can twist perceptions though.

      I love Sandra and would take her any day over Tony but she was testing me a bit tonight with the constant “I’m the queen” talk. She was still my favourite thing about the second episode and her aggressive gameplay was amazing to watch but if she’s like this in every confessional from now on I’m going to get a bit sick of it. I like her a lot more as an underdog.

      • Kemper Boyd

        People forget she was in power for much of her game in Pearl Islands. We was in the numbers for all of the pre-merge and worked her way there in the post-merge. The issue is she never showed she had any power.
        How on earth could you get sick of this Sandra in confessional? This is what I love, snarky, funny and right!
        After the tribe switch she needs to move back into the middle of an alliance not out front in one.

        • Head Architect Sylvia

          Hmm true, that’s a good point – this is the first time she’s really used her power to actively campaign against someone. I guess a complete 180 on her usual strategy isn’t a terrible idea, because she probably has to change something up to go for the win, but I mean it’s still such early days and everyone else is so passive so it’s dangerous territory. Yeah, I hope she blends back into the shadows after the switch. I hope the damage hasn’t already been done though.

          Aha, I love the snark and the constant digs at everyone else, they’re hilarious and she’s great, but I feel like her use of the word queen was slightly excessive tonight and I really hope her ego doesn’t get the best of her. It wasn’t a HUGE problem, I’m just saying if she repeats that she’s the queen in all of her future confessionals I might begin to start rolling my eyes a bit.

          • Kemper Boyd

            You can see in the way a lot of her snark is laughed at at tribal that she is really well liked. She’s not kidding when she says “Jeff, everyone loves me”. It’s a great part of her game, she entertains at camp and remember it’s a lot of sitting around doing nothing.
            The Queen thing needs toning down but she’s right, she’s the Queen of Survivor. I don’t think there will be another 2 time winner until a winners season but I’d never count out there being a 3 time winner in a couple of months time.

          • purplerockandy

            I’m with you on her trying to push her catchphrase. It made air three times – I doubt those are the only three times she used it. I hope she feels like she got her money’s worth and will tone it down now.

            I’m here for the arrogance. Not for the repetition.

          • Hornacek

            Sandra: It’s my job to be repetitive. My job. My job. Repetitiveness is my job! I am going to go on Survivor and give the best performance of my life.
            Viewers: The best performance of your life?
            Sandra: The best performance of my life.

    • PurpleTally

      One of the key reasons she won HvV was how the jury was able to see her as being against Russell, unlike Parvati. I can see that playing into her strategy with calling out Tony.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Except he’s gone. It’s not worth it in episode 2. What worked for her is going against Russell and Fairplay as those guys went far and pissed off the jury.

        • PurpleTally

          Absolutely. I’m just playing Devil’s Advocate for her decision.

  • Alkanarra

    I just woke up and realized…. if Tony had finished his ridiculous spy bunker, he actually would have been close enough to hear their conversation and wouldn’t have had a reason to get paranoid.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Fair point!. Now what were they really talking about?

      • Maritimer

        Troy mentioned Tony was a threat and Sandra was in the process of shutting him down I think

        • Purplerockmatt

          Actually I think Troy was saying that he didn’t think Tony was something they had to worry about, but Tony only heard Troy say “Tony”

          • Maritimer

            So either way, the premise was basically “we aren’t voting for Tony”, all he heard was Tony, then he blew it up and got himself voted out

          • Purplerockmatt

            Well he confronted them and they were obviously lying so he thought “they have to be talking about me” which frankly was a good assumption

        • Kemper Boyd

          I was changing trains at that point. Cheers.

    • sharculese

      Tony was never going to finish that thing. It wasn’t a bunker it was just a weird fucking hole he made next to the well. It’s really hard to make a secret hiding spot when, less than an hour after you start it, the tribe starts talking about the big hole you just made.

      • And it was way too close to the well! He needed to have it be in those trees behind the well.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        The spy bunker was particularly unimpressive coming the day after the season premiere of The Americans.

      • Hornacek

        I just wanted one scene with Tony in the Spy Bunker, covered with dirt and debris, with his nose poking out, and the rest of the tribe standing at the well looking at him, knowing that he’s there, but they just talk about boring stuff to see how long he’ll lie there.

    • VoicOff

      That was never gonna work. You can’t dig a cave in freaking sand

  • Kemper Boyd

    I had a realisation during this episode. Hali’s voice is crazy annoying. I really do not get Andy’s thing about her.

    • Max_Jets

      I like Hali, but she’s basically Michele.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I would listen Michele over Hali any day of the week.

    • Mike Hirsch

      THIS. I can’t stand the sound of her voice! There’s something about it that drives me up a wall. She talks like she’s partially deaf.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I could deal with it if she were partially deaf but as she played with Nina that she isn’t.

    • gouis

      ONE OF US. ONE OF US.

    • First of all: Did anyone else notice the awkward subtitling under her first confessional?
      Secondly: She has a weird Southern accent mixed with a Valley girl thing, which is not a good combo.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        I assume that’s a consequence of growing up in Tennessee and then moving to the Bay Area.

        • Is Valley girl that prominent in NorCal?

          • Purple Rock Emma

            It’s certainly not confined to the San Fernando Valley. Uptalk is everywhere, and to be frank, I am not here for criticism of women’s voices (see: discussions of fry talk, whenever Sophie appears on RHAP, etc.)

          • Fair enough. I apologize for steering the conversation that way.

            Also, I forgot what uptalk was, so thank you for reminding me!

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Eh, the conversation was already there.

    • purplerockandy

      Keep in mind, my whole impression this season was made via still photos and gifs.

    • VoicOff

      She doesn’t get to talk all that much, though

      • Kemper Boyd

        a silver lining.

  • Crappy

    Credit to Sandra, she got her way. But I am not sure it is was right move for her at all –

    – Yes, it was Tony who pissed her off first by confronting her. But her and Troyzan’s lies were just so terrible that I don’t blame him for overreacting. Side story is that she and Troyzan are friends in real life (Yes, smoke on that John!) so it seems cert that they had an alliance going in. Anyway, after that episode, she was the one who started the Tony out movement first. Tony only responded in kind afterwards. Not sure why the departure from her usual game. Fairplay pissed her off a lot as well but we never saw her gunning for him in such an aggressive manner. She even did not come after Russell with such open aggression.

    – She is great TV but I am not sure I need her repeating the phrase “The queen stays the queen” every 5 minutes. She is hamming it up too much and playing a caricature of herself. I don’t think she expects to win this season. Shades of Richard Hatch from All Stars IMO.

    • Head Architect Sylvia

      Hmm I initially wasn’t sure if it was the smartest move either, I would have liked to have seen Tony and Sandra stick together, but the more I think about it, would it have really worked out? I feel like if they went through with their original alliance the other players would have been savvy enough to form a counter alliance against them and vote them out at consecutive tribals.

      I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks that re: your last point. She’s wonderful but it was a bit excessive tonight. It was fun then almost veered towards obnoxiousness. Hopefully she was just giving the editors what they wanted for this episode. It wasn’t a huge problem for me, but if she continues with it for all of her future confessionals it’s going to become a bit tiring.

      • Max_Jets

        It is a weird assist from the editors though too. Was Sandra literally just saying nothing but “the queen stays the queen, adios” for hours on end so they had to include it in the premiere like 3 different times?

        • Head Architect Sylvia

          Haha hmm yeah, you’d think they could mix it up a bit. I’m sure she had a lot of great content to choose from. I suppose maybe the editors were just trying way too hard to push the whole King vs Queen thing to make the vote as dramatic as possible.

    • Violina23

      There was no coming back from those terrible lies with Tony.

      • Alycia Swift

        Sandra’s was plausible but not good. Troy’s not so much.

        Usually Sandra’s a good liar.

        • I think what didn’t help the situation is that they were both telling different lies, which automatically proves you are both lying. So, once Troy said “we’re looking at the tide”, they were both screwed since Sandra has some common sense to know that Tony wouldn’t believe that.

  • Crappy

    As much as I loved the Sandra Tony feud in second episode, the story telling of the boot was flat out terrible IMO. I think it was Carrie in AVClub reviews who often complained that just for a few moments of viewer suspense, survivor editors don’t tell a proper story of the boot. Same thing sort of happened here.

    You needed a key confessional from both Malcolm and Michaela as to why they went with Sandra’s numbers in the end. May be a word from Aubry too.

    • Kemper Boyd

      WHY DID SANDRA VOTE FOR AUBRY?

      • Alkanarra

        Idol protection, I assume. However….

        If Tony has the idol and then votes for someone else – say Malcolm or Caleb – it’s now a 1-1 tie. He would get a vote in the revote and would 100% cause a stalemate and send everyone else to rocks, thus protecting 3/4 of his alliance from the random draw. So yeah, I’ve decided I love this new tiebreaker twist.

        • Kemper Boyd

          There is no revote man, it would go straight to unanimous decision.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I think either someone like Caleb or Malcolm talked to Tony at the last minute and confirmed that he was voting for Aubrey. It still a risk, though. Maybe a third person was supposed to vote Aubrey and screwed it up.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I think Sandra thought he was voting for her, thus she voted for Aubry (her first boot choice) so that if it Tony used an idol it would be 1-1 and there is more chance that 7 people can’t be unanimous and it’s a rock draw and she’s safe.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I replied before reading your full comment like an arsehole.

          • Alkanarra

            I probably shouldn’t have said “revote”. He’d get to be part of unanimous decision… and he’d absolutely love sending them to rocks.

      • Max_Jets

        Tony voting for Aubry is the real headscratcher.

      • Max_Jets

        I was more confused about Tony’s vote for Aubry, but now I’m realizing it was probably a Shirin/Spencer situation.

      • Crappy

        They discussed that in the episode. They wanted to split but still screwed it up I think. If tony plays idol and votes Sandra instead of aubry. It’s then tie between Sandra and Aubrey. Then tony can force them to either boot Sandra or pick rocks.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I assumed.

      • PurpleTally

        All I want to know is if she gets Fantasy League points for VTEP since she was attempting a split with the possibility of Tony having an idol, especially considering that she explicitly stated that’s what she was doing in her voting confessional.

        • Yes.

          • PurpleTally

            Awesome…she says and then remembers Sandra isn’t even on her own fantasy team. Oops.

          • Nice shooting there, Tex.

          • PurpleTally

            Good news. I just remembered she’s on my second team.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I agree – I appreciated the surprise factor, but we’re definitely missing pieces about why the people we thought were in Tony’s alliance voted with the majority here. Hopefully at least a couple of them will address it at the beginning of next episode (Malcolm for sure, as he stepped up as a strong voice of narration in the first ep, I thought)

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      I’ve often complained about this too, but I understand why they do it. They often have the confessional you’re asking for in the opening of the next episode.

      It’s kind of fun to rewatch tribal council knowing how people are really voting.

      • Crappy

        Fair.. if they close this story by next episode I ll have no complaints.

  • Kent McK

    I think I am in denial. I blacked out after that third Tony vote and am re-experiencing the trauma this morning.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Something I just noticed: a lot of my favorite players wear glasses at some point on the show: Wentworth, Aubry, Michaela, Cochran. Sandra said she wears glasses now. I like people who can’t see good.

    • Sandra, Jerri (I definitely remember her in glasses), Aubry, Fishbach…yeap this checks out for me too.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Jerri in glasses was pretty appealing, too, as I recall.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          IMHO, HvV Jerri was the hottest Jerri by far. Agree/disagree?

          • Mike Hirsch

            I’d agree, although I will admit that at least part of that could be because it’s her only season in HD, and it’s hard to watch the non-HD seasons now.

    • Sylvisual

      I’m so glad you consider me one of your favorite players!

      • Purple Rock Emma

        My glasses are cuter.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    I’m so relieved Sandra made it through the first two tribals!! My fear now is that her game is looking a bit too much like Varner’s in Cambodia: She came out swinging and everyone noticed :/ My hope now is that she can get into a good swap and chill out a bit, but I’m sure that’s wishful thinking 🙂

    • Hornacek

      Sandra works well pre-merge on a big tribe. But going to a tribe of 6 next week, she might be in trouble. If she’s on a tribe that loses and they decide they have to keep the physically stronger players, she doesn’t have a lot of room to hide.

      • Violina23

        Are they definitely going to 3 tribes? Or is that just the assumption we’re all going with

        • Sylvisual

          They most likely are. CBS had multiple buff colors online, plus it makes sense with their love of three tribes and the numbers. This is Cambodia 2.0.

          • Violina23

            Yeah, makes sense. It helps people make their BM’s

          • There is also a clue in the NTOS when someone is opening a green-colored HII clue.

        • Hornacek

          It would be weird if after only 6 days, Jeff said “Drop your buffs!” so that they could give everyone new buffs with the same 2 colors.

          But as Sylvisual said, I think we’re going with this assumption because of Cambodia.

          • Violina23

            Yeah it makes total sense. I just wasn’t sure if I missed something from the preview.

        • Purplerockmatt

          I think Probst confirmed it in an interview preseason actually. They aren’t even hiding this

        • NearlyNina

          In the preview for the next episode they show the blue tribe with 6 people all around a campfire. So I’m assuming 3 tribes of six.

          I’ve listed the members below for anyone who wants to know.

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          Aubry, Sandra, Malcolm, Varner, Michaela, JT

          • Hornacek

            If that’s true, that’s some real bad luck for JT, being the only member of his tribe on the new tribe. Although on a tribe of 6, are they going to vote out JT, who is probably in the top half of their challenge performers? Plus Aubry and Malcolm were not originally on Sandra’s side for the Tony vote so in theory they could join up with JT and try again to persuade Michaela to keep the tribe strong, which would be a stronger argument in a tribe of 6

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Yeah if she’s on a tribe with, say, Ozzy she’d better hope Varner is there too, to counteract the “keep the tribe strong” strategy :/

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Non-Sandra (mostly) thoughts:
    I definitely need to rewatch these episodes, because I was so stressed about the outcomes that I don’t think I paid as much attention to the other players and the over all episode editing, etc.
    But over all impressions – I was surprised that Andrea had a pretty invisible edit this episode. I mean, the non-losing tribe didn’t get a ton of screen time in general, but I though Andrea was noticeably quiet. Hopefully that’s not a bad sign for my fantasy team 😮
    I also sort of felt like they were trying to set up FFSDT in the Wentworth role. Not really buying that one :/ But I’ll give her a chance.
    Ozzy, JT and Malcolm all got some attention but nothing felt winner-ish yet. I’m worried about Cirie – hopefully she’ll do better in the swap. LOVED Debbie continually calling her Cherie. Or maybe she thought she was talking to that super memorable Survivor legend Sharia? 😛

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Oops I meant Sherea. I guess she’s so memorable that I forgot how to spell it…

      • Violina23

        The first time, I thought she said “Shirin”

    • Violina23

      I think it could be a good sign for Andrea actually — they are setting up the conflicts on that tribe, and she’s not at the forefront of any of them. She got some screentime and looked able & confident.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        True! I worried when they showed her missing the advantage note over and over at the marooning, but with no overtly negative attention in the premiere I think she’ll be okay, at least for a while.

        • Alycia Swift

          It might be funny if that advantage note was what got her out this time.

        • Violina23

          I didn’t even realize it was Andrea stepping on it. Just funny that it was right there and not being noticed. B

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I really don’t want to get the edgic ball rolling, but Andrea got one of the very first confessionals. That’s a good sign.

          • But, it wasn’t one of the first first ones. It was the first one after the marooning though.

          • Purplerockmatt

            the first first ones were the 4 biggest names on this season. Survivor has to give the fans what they want

          • Did Ozzy get one at the beginning?

          • Purplerockmatt

            No. It was Tony, Sandra, Cirie, and Malcolm.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Also it’s in the live blog! I pay attention to that stuff for you guys!

          • Purplerockmatt

            oh and the fifth one before the credits was… Debbie (shudder)

          • I am a little shocked that Ozzy didn’t get one up front, but instead we get Brad and Debbie.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Brad was right after the credits I think

          • I could have sworn he was in between Debbie and the A-Team

          • Purplerockmatt

            The live blog disagrees

          • Hornacek

            Is this the new “The dude abides”?

          • Purplerockmatt

            doesn’t mean you are wrong, just means that when i was watching last night i think i noticed him after debbie

          • Is this what the Mandela effect feels like? If it is, it does not feel good.

          • So, you made me go into the depths of Survivor Fandom: The Survivor Subreddit and Survivor Sucks and here is what I found: Brad got the sixth and last intro confessional but it was in between Jeff saying “This is the 500th episode” and “39 days, 20 People, 1 Survivor”. It was also super generic, so it was easy to forget.

          • Purplerockmatt

            ah ok, see i remembered Jeff talking before he did, but forgot he got in there before the credits

          • But trust me, Brad’s confessional was even blander than Andrea’s confessional, which is saying something.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Andrea’s confessional being so bland must mean that she is gonna win! Queen!

          • No because it didn’t talk about her as a game player, so she is automatically ruled out.

          • pufflehuff

            I’m just shocked that Varner ‘Seizing my Second Chance Journey’ didn’t own all those game-changing TM confessionals.

          • Yeah, that felt weird to me too. It makes me wonder if he is going to be a non-factor this season unlike his impact on Cambodia.

        • pufflehuff

          I think Andrea will be okay for a while but it’s not a brilliant sign for her story that FFSDT, who also wasn’t part of the main Cirie v. the Tribe story, got more content (even outside of the legacy thing) than she did.

        • To throw some cold water, you know who was shown ignoring the Advantage in MvGX? Lucy.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            :/
            That’s not great news for my fantasy team. Incidentally, I had Lucy on my fantasy team last season, haha.

          • Take a gander as to who is on my Pick 4 team and you can see why I am a little nervous.

  • gouis

    I told y’all Ciera would have a hard time making a BM during her time in the game. Just not enough time, you can’t force BMs.

    • You can force BMs, but it’s not advisable. It’ll only end up hurting you, as we just saw.

      • gouis

        I thought Sandra was forcing that BM but it seemed like everyone else was primed for it as well. Having help is nice to get through a tough BM

    • PurpleTally

      My students are testing right now and it took every ounce of willpower I possess not to laugh at this very loudly.

    • Alycia Swift

      Neither could Bruce.

  • Joseph Finn

    Lordy, Sandra comes off bad trashtalking *after the person has been voted off.* Jesus.

    • gouis

      There’s a reason she was on the villains tribe

    • PurpleTally

      I just love her so much that it makes me want to cry.

    • Such great trash talking, though.

      • Joseph Finn

        Did I just *forget* how bad she comes off?

        • Alycia Swift

          I point out Tony actually started the trash talk on his way out by the “lambs to slaughter” comment. He would have done the same thing if it were the opposite.

          • Joseph Finn

            That’s a fair point, though more forgivable to me because he was right in how…misguided of a vote that was.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            As a viewer, absolutely, but as a tribemate the right time to vote Tony out was always ASAP. If anything the Ciera vote was misguided.

          • Joseph Finn

            I think Sandra was the obvious vote there. Get her out while you can.

          • Nah. The nice thing about Sandra is that there’s always time to get her out.

          • Joseph Finn

            Is there? I’d be damn wary of letting her control the game from the get-go.

          • I meant in the sense that you can fairly safely assume she’ll always be vulnerable in the post-merge. And generally, she’s pretty loyal. Loyal-ish, at least.

          • Joseph Finn

            No, that’s totally fair.

          • Roswulf

            I don’t know about that…

            (But yes, I think it’s too early to axe Sandra if you can align with her. She’s relatively stable, and a good target for the post-merge- scary enough to unify people against her, unlikely to be immune)

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Like Varner said, Sandra or Tony is a win either way.

          • Tony absolutely would talk shit. He’s done it before. And I think that, like Tony, Sandra would respect it if he shit-talked her on her way out.

          • Hornacek

            Is that really “trash talking”? He was bad-mouthing everyone but Sandra, not her.

        • Yes. In Pearl Islands, she talks shit as she’s stealing from the other tribe and she yells at Fairplay. In Heroes vs. Villains, she talks shit to Russell more than once. This is just Sandra.

          • Even if Sandra keeps talking shit like this, I don’t think she’s going to reach a point where she isn’t well-liked. I love Tony, and I was still thrilled that someone was willing to talk to him like that, because it’s really entertaining. I’m sure Sandra could go too far, but if she’s going to play another UTR game, this kind of talk really amplifies her game and could help her with the jury.

          • Even if Sandra keeps talking shit like this, I don’t think she’s going to reach a point where she isn’t well-liked. I love Tony, and I was still thrilled that someone was willing to talk to him like that, because it’s really entertaining. I’m sure Sandra could go too far, but if she’s going to play another UTR game, this kind of talk amplifies her game and could help her with the jury.

          • Sandra gets away with it because, like Tyson and Courtney, it’s funny when she does it.

          • Alycia Swift

            And like the other two, she is not seen as a threat (Tyson was seen as that his third time playing. He was basically the clown before that despite being an athlete).

          • I think that aspect of Sandra’s social game is an underrated part of her win (at least in HvV – I haven’t seen Pearl Islands). She entertains people and makes them want to reward her, going beyond our traditional conception of what a good social game is.

          • I think that aspect of Sandra’s social game is an underrated part of her win (at least in HvV – I haven’t seen Pearl Islands). She entertains people and makes them want to reward her, beyond our traditional conception of what a good social game is.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I toatally agree on her usual shit talking, but I really don’t like that she brought that “I’m the Queen and the Queen stays Queen”-stuff to tribal council. That should be strictly confessional material and I’m afraid that it makes her tribemates want to shut her up and cut her throat .

          • Crappy

            In my opinion all those examples including Sandra got away with it because

            – There were either more annoying (Sierra Reed, Monica, Jean Robert) or villainous (Fairplay, Russell) players present in the game.
            – More importantly the edit favored them either because they got the winner’s edit or a fan fav one. (Tyson in Tocantins does not qualify but then not everyone loved him in that season). For example, Sandra would have gotten a very different edit for her fish throwing antics or ‘not gonna do anything if I am going out’ hissy fit in Pearl Islands if she did not win.
            – Even in this very episode if we separate Sandra the character from the player pulling all this stuff or shit talking like this, it would not have been a great look for that player. They would have been designated as a new Abi or Kass. But since it is Sandra, she gets away with it just because…

          • But you could see that the other players in Cagayan didn’t like Kass fucking with them. There were some in Cambodia that were fine with Abi’s insanity- Varner, Wentworth, and Ciera all seemed to laugh off Abi being Abi.

          • Even if Sandra keeps talking shit like this, I don’t think she’s going to reach a point where she isn’t well-liked. I love Tony, and I was still thrilled that someone was willing to talk to him like that, because it’s really entertaining. I’m sure Sandra could go too far, but if she’s going to play another UTR game, this kind of talk amplifies her game and could help her with the jury.

          • Even if Sandra keeps talking shit like this, I don’t think she’s going to reach a point where she isn’t well-liked. I love Tony, and I was still thrilled that someone was willing to talk to him like that, because it’s really entertaining. I’m sure Sandra could go too far, but if she’s going to play another UTR game, this kind of talk could amplify her game and could help her with the jury.

          • Even if Sandra keeps talking shit like this, I don’t think she’s going to reach a point where she isn’t well-liked. I love Tony, and I was still thrilled that someone was willing to talk to him like that, because it’s really entertaining. I’m sure Sandra could go too far, but if she’s going to play another UTR game, this kind of talk amplifies her game and could help her with the jury.

          • Even if Sandra keeps talking shit like this, I don’t think she’s going to reach a point where she isn’t well-liked. I love Tony, and I was still thrilled that someone was willing to talk to him like that, because it’s really entertaining. I’m sure Sandra could go too far, but if she’s going to play another UTR game, this kind of talk could amplify her game and could help her with the jury.

          • Even if Sandra keeps talking shit like this, I don’t think she’s going to reach a point where she isn’t well-liked. I love Tony, and I was still thrilled that someone was willing to talk to him like that, because it’s really entertaining. I’m sure Sandra could go too far, but if she’s going to play another UTR game, this kind of talk amplifies her game and could help her with the jury.

          • Even if Sandra keeps talking shit like this, I don’t think she’s going to reach a point where she isn’t well-liked. I love Tony, and I was still thrilled that someone was willing to talk to him like that, because it’s really entertaining. I’m sure Sandra could go too far, but if she’s going to play another UTR game, this kind of talk could amplify her game and could help her with the jury.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Tony looked really sad when his torch was getting snuffed, so I didn’t like the trash talk at all here, even though she’s good at it.

      • Joseph Finn

        It just seems unnecessary.

  • Violina23

    So I couldn’t start watching until like 10:30 and then realized it was a 2 hour episode. I was both happy and annoyed because Zzzzzzzzzz

    Here are my disorganized thoughts (since i think “Random Thoughts” is trademarked by now):
    * Was that 4 typing-cat gifs? Is that a record?
    * I’m not loving Cirie’s position. Nobody’s talking to her, they are only talking ABOUT her in confessionals, and she’s paranoid. Rightfully so, but this isn’t looking good.
    * What I wouldn’t have paid for the Sandra/Tony alliance to keep going
    * For the first time, Sandra is telling people to get rid of a big threat, and they are LISTENING to her. She clearly isn’t going to be able to play an under-the-radar game this time. She is the Queen and she is getting some Queen-level respect. Also, most likely, a pre-merge boot.
    * What I wouldn’t have paid for a Sandra/Tony alliance to hold through. Royalty-R-Us?
    * Why didn’t anyone say to Michaela, “We picked you because nobody knows you, so it was a plausible reason, to fear the unknown” I get that it is never a good sign to be the “other name”, but when you go on back-to-back seasons, you have the uphill climb of having to prove yourself.
    * Speaking of being the “other name”, I’m not getting a good feeling about Aubry’s chances.
    * I know everyone’s talking about JT’s belly (and after having two children, I’m hardly one to judge), but he just looked…. kinda sad. Not quite all there. No spark.
    * I think Ozzy’s going to go far, you guys. Not sure how I feel about that.
    * I know she didn’t look so impressive next to Ozzy, but Hali was a pretty great swimmer. She came across somewhat competent overall this episode.
    * Troyzan managed to…. not piss me off. But it’s only Episode 1
    * Varner is great. I don’t think he’s lasting much longer though. I think he might be one of the last pre-merge boots.

    I’m DEFINITELY changing my Pick 4 team. Quite a bit possibly…

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      A while back we were discussing what our games would be like if we were on the show. I called myself “blue-state JT” but immediately regretted my hubris. After seeing JT in profile last night I think I might be right after all.

      • sharculese

        I would be ‘smart Fabio,’ or alternatively ‘less-insane Kristy.’

        • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

          Courtney and Tyson’s gay offspring (Emma, please don’t be mad that I’m comparing myself to Courtney, I know she’s incomparable)

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I always said I would be the bastard child of Courtney and Cochran, then Aubry ruined my schtick by calling herself the love child of Sophie and Cochran.

            Realistically, I’d just be Laura Alexander.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Realistically? After a few days of exposure and starvation I’m male Shambo.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Interesting. Last time everybody was being all humble, calling themselves “South Pacific Cochran” or “less athletic Papa Smurf”, which is why I felt like I was aiming too high.

          • sharculese

            What’s the point of the exercise if you’re not gaming out how your win happens? What am I, Conner?

      • I’d be “moderately competent at challenges Cochran” or “less funny, less athletic Tyson”. Or “Kim with penis”.

      • Black Dynamite

        I would call myself a “slightly more awkward Earl” or “out of shape Jeremy”

      • Sylvisual

        I’m David Wright with hair, plus the confessional wit of Cochran.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          So, Cochran.

      • Purplerockmatt

        Caucasian Yul if I am as great as I think I am… if not probably Penner.

        • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

          I think Penner thought he was Caucasian Yul, so this probably checks out.

          • Purplerockmatt

            precisely

          • Roswulf

            Penner should have realized that Yuls never betray Yul.

      • Maritimer

        I’m probably Adam, with a little less verbal diarrhea (note: I wouldn’t win though)

      • PurpleTally

        “Younger Sonja” for me, I think.
        Of course, I already have the whole “Purple Tally” thing. Though I’d like to hope I have enough personality to not get a purple edit if I’m ever on Survivor.

      • I used to say Shirin, then Aubry. Now, if I wanted to get cast on the show, I would say a combo of JT and Stephen for better and for worse.

      • I am 100% “girl Stephen”, so hey there.

      • purplerockandy

        Chris Daugherty.

        • Purplerockmatt

          Reddit would love you

      • StormofCuteness

        I think personality wise and if she were white and much larger, I’m most like Cirie.

      • NearlyNina

        I’ve always thought I’d play a Sophie game.

    • Hornacek

      “since i think ‘Random Thoughts’ is trademarked by now)”

      If this is anyone but Steve Allen, you’re stealing my bit!

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Why didn’t they tell Michaela “We asked him to pick from the three of you who weren’t in the conversation and he picked you” ???

      • Violina23

        That too!

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I think maybe I meant “her” here? I can’t remember who they were talking about, lol

        • Violina23

          That’s OK, Pronouns are confusing. Just ask my kids 😉

        • sharculese

          It was Ciera they were talking about. But either way, I don’t think it works. Michaela’s biggest problem in MvX wasn’t just that she couldn’t hide her emotions, but that what she was hiding was that she has no chill. Once they set on putting votes on her there was no way to calm her down.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Yeah I suppose the flaw in my proposed lie here is that as far as Michaela is concerned she’s still getting at least one vote at tribal

          • Violina23

            I still think pointing out that she is “new” to everybody is the most plausible argument. She has to understand that nobody knows her yet, and considering this is the first vote, she can certainly recover from it.

            Her reaction, on the other hand, is going to be a lot harder to recover from

    • Purplerockmatt

      i am going to try and incorporate more gifs/images this season into the liveblog. typing cat is just one that will become common because typing cat is basically the staff mascot

      • Violina23

        I love typing cat!

        • Purplerockmatt

          everyone does

    • pufflehuff

      Love Royalty-R-Us! I think you’re spot on about most of the assessments here, though I think there’s potential that Cirie’s story gets turned around via a swap and it’s sort of a Parvati in HvV story where they highlight how many people are gunning for her to show how she makes it far (though that is probably just my Cirie love blinding me!)

      And yeah I think Sandra might not make the merge with this style, as much as I loved watching it.

      • Violina23

        I hope Cirie can turn things around! But I didn’t feel good about her chances from this episode.

        Then again, Aubry looked like a sinking ship during episode one of Kaoh Rong and then got to the end so anything can happen!

        • pufflehuff

          I think she could well be gone next episode, but fingers crossed she can pull an Aubry. Couldn’t bring myself to cut her from my pick 4, so here’s hoping!

          • StormofCuteness

            I couldn’t cut her either, and I added Aubry. 🙄 Clearly, I’m nuts. But I’m hanging all my hopes on the swap. *crossed fingers*

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    I don’t know how I feel this “meat shield” strategy apparently becoming ubiquitous now. Clearly it can work well (see: Jeremy) but it bores me to see people lifting previous players’ strategies wholecloth. I’m not a huge sports fan, but I’m sure there’s a comparison there. If one guy does a…sports thing (?) and it works really well, it’s not like he owns it. Of course others are going to adopt it, and it may even become standard in the game.
    So, from a strategic standpoint I totally get, for example, Malcolm observing Jeremy’s success with the meat shield strategy and deciding to adopt it for himself. But it’s SO BORING when strategy becomes rote.
    I think the vote split is a classic example of this, and that’s why I’m glad that Survivor is shaking things up in that regard. The meat shield thing is still relatively young in terms of strategic innovation, so I think the best thing that could happen there is for it to blow up in someone’s face so that it doesn’t look so foolproof anymore.

    • Violina23

      I agree. I kinda like the rule change for this reason.

    • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

      The sports analogy you’re looking for is shifting in baseball, which started out as a kind of parlor trick and is now probably being overused. I think the meat shield strategy has only successfully worked that once, and there are still plenty of things that can go wrong. The shields could turn and vote out the shielded, the shields could go on an immunity run, etc. And Malcolm and Tony seemed to be the only ones interested in using the beefier players as shields. Caleb, Michaela, and Ozzy just want to play with challenge beasts, the strategic aspect of that is lost on them.

      • sharculese

        I think that for the meat shield strategy to work you have to be the only one actively employing it. When multiple people start trying to build meat shields is when it will lose viability.

        • And we might be seeing that this season as it seems like Malcolm and Brad (?) are doing it.

      • Is this a massive overcorrection on Michaela’s part? Yeah, she was taken out by a challenge beast but she was also convinced to vote out someone who could have been a challenge beast in Mari.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Thank you for supplying the sports analogy! 🙂
        And you’re right – the meat shield thing is still very young so I’m probably a bit early in getting sick of it. I think for me part of the annoyance is that it’s just another thing that benefits the strong men on the tribe and those aren’t generally the players I gravitate toward.

      • Purplerockmatt

        The real meat shields strategy is keeping other perceived threats around so that you don’t look the most threatening. By this definition, this is precisely how Tony managed Tasha and Spencer in his season who his alliance found threatening, but their very presence allowed Tony to continue to operate with impunity.

    • Maritimer

      Good thing about something like the meat shield strategy is if it becomes ubiquitous, people will pretty quickly start to actively play against it, destroying it as a useful strategy (i.e the goat herding strategy which has become much harder recently)

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Very good point! I would much rather see other players counter-strategize to neutralize the meat shield strategy, rather than needing production to step in (and incidentally I don’t think they could in this case without inappropriately affecting the outcomes of the game)

    • tocantins

      I don’t know; Jeremy certainly was the most vocal about this “meat shield” strategy, but it seems to me that it is one of the most basic and central strategies in Survivor since ever. Hell, you can go back to the very first season and find (I believe) confessionals of Richard Hatch saying that he needed Rudy around because Rudy was a big threat. Earl I remember saying things in that sense; Todd also. I dare say that in almost every season of Survivor you can see someone employing something akin to that strategy.

      Saying that using meat shields is copying Jeremy is like saying that using 4-3-3 formation in soccer is copying Barcelona.

      • Alycia Swift

        But its more recent, I think, that the meat shields are the alpha athletic guys. Keep Ozzy or Joe or Tony around because people will be worried that he can win immunity and it keeps the target off whomever is using him as a meat shield.

        • tocantins

          Well, the idea of “athletic” meat shields is a bit rarer (but that might simply be because many—in fact, most?—winners don’t actually need an athletic meat shield), but no more recent: we can find as early as Africa Ethan using a “bro alliance” to protect each other from becoming physical threats. (Here I’m cheating a bit: I haven’t really watched Africa; I read this online. So I might be wrong here.)

        • purplerockandy

          Yeah, the change is that the meat shields starting using their own meat shields, rather than looking to become the biggest dog as early as possible.

          The traditional Survivor path was:
          1) Weak challenge players (largely women) first.
          2) Strong challenge players (largely men) in the middle.

          Jeremy decided to protect himself from the second part (after falling victim to it his first time) by not buying into it. Which was a good play for him.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I definitely take your point here. It makes me wonder if my ennui is just because Jeremy vocalized the meat shield strategy so clearly and strongly and what I’m now noticing is the result of new players mimicking that, and not so much of Jeremy inventing a brand new strategy himself.
        I would liken that distinction to the difference between many, many players bringing a goat to FTC over the years, and whoever was the first player to actively say from the beginning “I want to drag an unlikable/unworthy player to the end with me.” I’m not sure who that would be…but hopefully the commentariat here will provide suggestions 😀

        • Hornacek

          In Australia Colby had a chance with bringing Keith to the finals, but he went the other way with Tina.

          Maybe it’s in Thailand where Brian brought Clay to the finals. Brian had some people mad at him, but almost everyone hated Clay.

  • the sky is falling

    Jeez, tried to read the AV Club… instantly triggered. Anti-Tony folks everywhere in the comments and stray comments in agreement that Troyzan and Culpepper are great. Yikes.

    • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

      I think most of the people that made the AVC comment section good migrated over here by now.

      • the sky is falling

        Yeah, guess I will just read Carrie Raisers commentary then move along, nothing to see there.

        • Purplerockmatt

          Carrie’s reviews were good, but in the new format and with the best commenters here, I barely go there at all anymore

          • corndogshuffle

            Same here. I like Carrie but can’t think of any reason to wade into that mess over there.

      • Hornacek

        First thing this morning the AVC Survivor “review” only had 35 comments, while this site had 600+

    • sharculese

      It’s been getting less readable every season.

      • Ever since Worlds Apart, which is probably when I commented over there a little before fully joining the fold over here in Cambodia.

        • sharculese

          For Worlds Apart this site basically didn’t exist. It was a hideous white on purple layout and they were using wordpress for comments. None of the supplemental material existed, so it was basically just the podcast post and the fantasy standings. Getting 25 comments on a post was an achievement for them.

          • I was talking about AV Club. Sorry for the confusion.

          • purplerockandy

            Actually, you’re off by a season. World’s Apart is the season where we decided to expand our coverage. John did the offseason Hype posts for people like the legendary Dan Foley, then posts about Max and Shirin throughout. I did the ill-fated summaries of bonus videos (and one post comparing the cast to the 90s Bulls). I think Emma was doing blogs too.

            It still might’ve looked like shit though.

          • sharculese

            I forgot about John’s hype posts, which depresses me, because I want nobody to forget how stoked John was for Dan Foley. Also, that was the first season y’all did March Madness.

            A lot of those comments sections are a graveyard, though, because we were still getting all of our thoughts out over at the AV Club. Cambodia was the first season I spent more time here than there.

    • StormofCuteness

      Same! I had to come here just to get a cuddle.

  • turgid_legume

    I don’t like how Sandra came off looking from these episodes. It’s admittedly been a long time since I watched her seasons, but she always seemed to be a player who had success by not trying to steer the vote from a position of prominence, but by stepping back and using other players’ mistakes against them, and turning factions against each other. I don’t think she’s going to have success by claiming a role of overt leadership and power, and I’m extremely troubled by the fact that she has doubled down on this queen thing so deeply that she has very little humility left. That narrative of being unstoppable, along with the season’s theme, have gone straight to her head, and I just cringe when she gives these confessional lines like “the only thing I know how to do is win.” She may have won the battle with Tony, but at the cost of lighting up every other player’s radar. Alarm bells are going off in everyone’s head, and that’s not something that she can counter. She doesn’t have challenge ability to keep her around, and her game depends entirely on being perceived as second or third behind other larger, looming threats.

    I really just want her to pump the brakes and recede into the background and let somebody else try to take the reins for a while.

    • Sylvisual

      I found the war entertaining, but I REALLY did not like Sandra tonight. Like, I was impressed but will actively cheer when they take her out in the coming weeks because of bluster like this.

    • I see where you are coming from, but I am going to counter slightly: this is the first time we have seen Sandra go to the first Tribal Council of the season. Before the IC, we saw classic Sandra to the point that she almost verbatim says “At long as it’s not me”. But after that, we saw the scramble.

      • Sylvisual

        Which aligns with the fact that the best Sandra is subliminal Sandra. Lie low, make the merge, then go all out.

        • tocantins

          But she didn’t have much choice, did she? If she had lied low, she would be out right now. Tony decided to turn on her before she started building a counter-alliance. (We will never know, of course, if the other possible route—to try to make amends with Tony—would have worked, but given how paranoid Tony is, and how easy a vote she is, it would have been very very risky.)

          • Roswulf

            It’s possible she could have maintained the Tony alliance for a vote, but there’s no WAY Tony is a stable alliance partner for Sandra long term.

            Of course one could argue that a swap was inevitable, so one vote of stability was worth the effort.

      • Alycia Swift

        Its also the first time, I believe (I could be wrong), that someone has actively gone after her early (or even at all seriously).

    • Roswulf

      I may be wrong, but my impression is that Sandra started with “anybody but me,” under the radar plans but rapidly realized that nobody was going to overlook a two-time winner. And so, she audibled to BEING the meatshield alpha.

      And personally, I love it. Sandra doesn’t believe she can win three times with the same playbook, and she’s sick of people overlooking her game. We know she has a preternatural sense of how to play Survivor- let’s see how that works when she’s calling the shots early.

      Sandra’s past stories have never been about humility- they’ve been the story of an arrogant badass who gets underestimated. Nobody is going to underestimate Sandra 3.0. Game on.

      • tocantins

        Yes, I am confused how many people here seem surprised at the “new Sandra”. Maybe it has been so long since her seasons (especially Pearl Islands) that people forget, but Sandra has always been an asshole (in the “good” sense). She is the one that threw out the fish and hid the fishing gear; she went to steal the other tribe’s tarp, made fun of them and ruined their shelter; she is the one that when Fairplay said his granma had died, she didn’t care one bit. And so many other moments like that.

        I mean, how can you be surprised she made fun of Tony on his way out? I thought it was awesome. And in case you feel it was a terrible move; maybe it was, but she did that before both times she played and she won them both.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Maybe, but what separates Sandra from us mere mortals is that she knows when “anybody but me” means what you’re describing and when it means shivving some motherfucker in the exercise yard. If Tony’s coming after you, it’s the latter situation. If she’s not in immediate trouble in the swap tribe I suspect she’ll back way off.

      • turgid_legume

        Tony only turned on her after she and Troy did such a shit job of lying about their conversation. What if instead of how that played out, she just told Tony exactly what they were discussing, which was that they could work together and not that they were plotting against him. Maybe she could have avoided the need to go after Tony in the first place, by keeping him around and letting him do his own damage, which he was well on his way to doing.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I agree they did a terrible job of lying, but the Threat Alliance was never going to last; something was going to trigger the paranoia avalanche, and sooner rather than later. Sandra needed to get Tony before he got her. I’m surprised Sandra agreed to ally with Tony in the first place, unless that itself was a con.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I think they were both looking at it as the safest move for the next vote

          • I think had Sandra gone this episode instead, it would only have been a matter of time before either Malcolm or Aubry did something to trigger Tony and it would all have started up again. He’s too volatile a player…his game works better with more sheep around.

          • Hornacek

            We did see some goats in the episode.

        • Alycia Swift

          That would have been good – but do you actually think Tony would have believed them?

          • prettyboyprobst

            I think there is a good chance he would have liked to believe that. If that’s enough or his paranoia wins out … who can tell?

          • tocantins

            I was in the same boat: “They are so stupid! Just say the freaking truth; that they were speaking well of him!” But then again, that sounds believable to us because we know it is true! For Tony, it is not clear that that would sound any more believable than “crates near the fire”. I can already imagine, “Seriously? You go out 3 am in the morning to speak about how nice I am? Do you want me to believe THAT?”

  • tocantins

    So, this premiere really got me excited about the season! I was afraid that most of my favorites would be taken out immediately, and this almost didn’t happen at all: while I love Tony, and I’m sad that he is gone, it was unavoidable that he would have to leave, and this was the best possible way that he could go out.

    In fact, one thing I was wondering, is that maybe it was good for Tony to be voted out so soon. I mean, he was always a bit like that, but maybe this time he was too much over the top. Don’t get me wrong, he was a pleasure to watch!, but I certainly didn’t leave this premiere impressed by his play. I mean, an underground spyshack? Does that make even a tiny bit of sense? Wouldn’t people notice when they walk over him? And I get that he heard the word “Tony”, but going there and causing a ruckus wasn’t even close to the best reaction he could have had at that moment. Perhaps longer time in the season would have eroded his reputation in a way that a single episode can’t. (He will always be one of the funniest and best-TV characters ever, but he is widely considered one of the best players as well; and this would be in serious jeopardy, I feel.) Anyway, that is after all the danger of returnee seasons (and the reason why I generally dislike them).

    Overall I liked basically everything about this premiere, no one displeased me (Debbie I thought was funny; Troy was bearable), and I got to see A LOT of all my favorite players. If it continues like this, this season has everything going for it.

    • Roswulf

      I think Tony in a ten-person tribe is a bit much- he’s demanding that the A-plot for his tribe be the Tony story at all times. I’d like to see the thought processes of an Aubrey or a Varner.

      I do think it would have been fun to see Tony after the split, being the focal point of a tribe of six. But there are still an embarassment of riches on this season.

    • Alycia Swift

      His play this time in a way showed how valuable Trish was.

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        Arguably, the only person on that tribe who could have played the same role would’ve been Varner or maybe Malcolm, but neither of them would ever do it. He was doomed unless Mana won both challenges, but alas…

        • Alycia Swift

          Maybe Aubry if she wasn’t such a threat herself.

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            Yeah, her threat level mitigates the social factor. Aubry’s probably very high on everyone’s list due to the filming dates, and putting that with Tony’s reputation just amplifies everything.

    • PurpleTally

      I sense that Dalton Ross is not beloved around these parts, but he devoted a solid chunk of his recap going on about all of the things that were stupid about Tony’s underground spy shack idea.
      Why did it have to go underground is my question? Could he not have just hidden in the woods?

      • Especially since that is what he ended up doing when he caught Sandra and Troy.

        Also, yeah, Dalton Ross is not well-loved here.

        • Ine

          This isn’t really relevant, but why is that? I started watching the show during worlds apart and PRP and EW were the first things I stumbled upon, so I just kinda stayed here. I don’t agree with him as much but the negative opinion confuses me?

          • Purplerockmatt

            If you read him for long enough (and I have been reading him since HvV) you realize that his opinion about some stuff is just absolutely set in stone, never alters and he weirdly fetishizes certain things. he has been essential because for so long he was the only one with access to Probst, but now Holmes and Wigler are getting that access too and I think they are both better and more interesting writers.

          • Ine

            Ah. I guess it didn’t bother me since I haven’t gone back to read all of the old recaps. And I skip his rankings because they spoil the winners and I’m still catching up.
            I did love Wigler’s interviews way more and they seem more in depth, so I see how Dalton’s becoming redundant.
            Thanks for the heads up anyway, l’m slowly but surely losing my newbie status!

          • Purplerockmatt

            yeah he isn’t bad, but i think of the writers that does what he does, there are just better ones

          • He’s just the least essential of the three. Wigler is probably the current best, though Holmes’ interview with Malcolm was fucking amazing and I can’t recommend it enough.

          • I am not the person to ask because I am one of the more positive people around here about Dalton. I will say the fact that he doesn’t change his season ranking writeups (particularly Samoa’s bitter jury) is the biggest reason why I am so ambivalent on him.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Or Courtney and the kneesocks

          • That was Sally.

          • Purplerockmatt

            crap sally! ugh can’t believe I forgot

          • Super duper fan

            Are you really?

          • Yeah, especially since Sally is nice but part of the most forgettable tribe of all time, La Mina while Crazy Courtney is part of Crazy Casaya.

          • Hornacek

            It’s ok. It’s not like you work for a Survivor fan-site and should know trivia like that. Oh wait …

          • Violina23

            I used to find his write-ups very entertaining, but I feel like he thinks he’s a LOT more hilarious than he is, and he writes like he likes hearing himself talk (type?). It’s like that one awkward guy at a family gathering who makes a bad joke and then cracks up about how funny and clever he is.

            I guess I just prefer to read people’s opinions & analysis on the actual gameplay, not just his “hilarious” narrative on what just happened.

          • PurpleTally

            Throughout my entire year-long watch of every season, I’ve read 85% of his recaps (some seasons I watched really quickly and didn’t bother to read the recaps for every episode), mostly because he’s been doing it forever, and they’re easy to access online without getting spoiled.
            He is definitely consistent, which doesn’t maybe bother someone who is watching Survivor in a year, but I see how being so rigid could annoy people who have been reading him for years and years.

      • Purplerockmatt

        I think he expected that people would look for him in the woods, but not literally in a hole.

        • Roswulf

          Unfortunately, he failed to anticipate the giant hole (PUNNING!) in his cunning plan. People noticing that Tony is digging a giant hole.

          • the sky is falling

            Also, the water well is apparently 50 feet from camp, which kind of makes it more funny and absurd.

          • Purplerockmatt

            they apparently moved the camp closer to the water well than they had it originally meaning they could literally see him digging there

  • Roswulf

    So there were two initial takeaways in the comments from the new tie rules:

    1. This is a great tool for Tony.

    2. It is much harder to split votes in a 3-3-3 set-up.

    And here we has a great opportunity for those ideas to kick in. At least from what we saw, Tony should have been able to cobble together the three votes necessary from among Caleb/Malcolm/Aubrey, all of whom wanted to work with Tony more than Sandra. Which means that all Tony needed to do was effectively bluff an idol to threaten rocks.

    And absolutely none of this materialized- the second episode didn’t even mention the new method of tie-breaking as a strategic consideration. Sandra simply controlled every single vote, including Tony’s. Now obviously most of this was the simple fact that even if Caleb/Malcolm/Aubrey PREFERRED Tony, they weren’t willing to commit to a minority alliance with him. But I think it flags yet again how flashy strategic machinations and vote total tomfoolery are less important than they seem in off-season fantasies. The social game is king.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Yeah, Sandra did a great job of immediately rounding up the misfit toys and denying the Threat Alliance a fifth member (you would think they could have at least gotten Michaela). And speaking of social game, how terrible is Tony’s that he either didn’t check back in with Caleb before TC or did but couldn’t tell that Caleb was lying to him.

      • ‘Tony has put together a five person alliance, and you’re not in it’ was a pretty effective pitch.

  • VoicOff

    Ozzy is such a baby.
    Again. After

    • Yes. But this is not new.

      • Roswulf

        Ozzy would like you to know that he was totally an adult in Micronesia when stupid Cerie piggybacked on his awesome alliance and gave it girl-cooties.

        • Kemper Boyd

          THIS IS MY FAVOURITE SUMMARY EVER.
          In other news who you swapping ciera for in pick 4?

          • Roswulf

            Oh I did a full reboot of my Pick 4. If I can’t make the full dumb joke about similar sounding names, I’m not going to root for Sierra and Sarah (please ignore the fact that Sierra is on my Outcasts squad for an entirely unrelated dumb joke about GAME CHANGERS).

          • Kemper Boyd

            Boooo. I put Sarah in.

      • VoicOff

        He is getting too old for that shit. Aren’t you suppose to get wiser with age ?
        It wasn’t cute the last time, but people put up with it, impressed with his challenge proficiency and boyish good looks. But now, he is getting pungy and losing his hair. Can’t afford to be that bitter and childish

  • prettyboyprobst

    Closing in on 900 comments, huh? So…does anyone care to give a summary?

    (Most of all, is the Fantasy Baseball League finally complete?)

    • PurpleTally

      The summary is mostly: Sandra is good at Survivor. Tony is also good at Survivor, but he played too hard, and people are sad he’s gone.
      And none for Ciera, bye.

      • prettyboyprobst

        Thanks a bunch! That’s what I thought and I agree on all accounts. Good talk, board.

    • tocantins

      If the fantasy baseball league is not complete, you can put me into it. I didn’t say anything earlier because people will have to explain to me how baseball fantasy leagues work; we don’t have baseball where I live. Although I did go to a couple of Red Sox games in US; but I didn’t understand much what was going on. (And weirdly most people were under the stadium watching a hockey game on the TVs there. It was playoffs or something, but hell, if you want to watch hockey, why the hell you go to a baseball game? Americans make no sense.)

      • Purple Rock Emma

        We had a box at a Giants for my grandma’s 75th birthday almost 20 years ago and half of my cousins were watching the 49ers on TV. Which must have been like preseason?!? And they’re all baseball fans too so I didn’t get it at all.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Last summer when we were doing the HvV watch-along I watched an episode on my iPad at a Seibu Lions game (but only between innings).

      • prettyboyprobst

        I’m actually NOT the commish of the baseball fantasy league, but he did make another wonderful announcement in this thread, stating that there were still two open spots at the time and urging people to move quickly if they want to be a part of that great endeavour.

        In fact, I’m also not sure how exactly baseball works, much less fantasy baseball. Once I did watch “Moneyball” though, so I could probably finish in the middle of the pack if I decided to play, which I won’t.

        I only mentioned it to draw a little more attention to what was a very classy post, and because I saw some potential for the eternally unfinshed FantasyBL to become everyone’s new favorite sub-plot of the season (it’s mine already). So you’ll have to find it on your own, if you want to play!*

        And in case anyone is wondering, indeed I read quickly through the first 200 or so comments right after the episode aired and before/while this place exploded. I also read the last 50 or so, today when I came back.

        *it feels wrong and cruel to leave it like that, so I dug up the comment by spicymayo: http://www.purplerockpodcast.com/survivor-game-changers-premiere-liveblog-stakes-raised/#comment-3193874848

    • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

      Unfortunately, no, we’re still one short. But since you brought it up, *turns chair around and sits down backwards* let me talk to everyone about the PRP Fantasy Baseball League. In case you haven’t heard about it, *cues laugh track* this is the inaugural season of the league. We’ve got a real who’s who of PRPers, but we’ve also got a handful of players who have just recently started commenting regularly. I would even say that this would be a great way to get more involved with this cool community. So if you’re here reading this, and if fantasy baseball is your thing (or sounds like it could be), then I encourage you to claim the last spot in the league.

      Though @tocantins11:disqus that spot is yours if you want it, but I just wanted to make sure you were actually interested instead of feeling like you needed to fall on your sword or something. If you really want to play, then absolutely welcome aboard. But if it sounds like I’ve been desperately fishing for one last person (note: I haven’t, just casting a wide net), I don’t want that to be the reason you sign up for six months of something you’re ultimately not interested in.

      • tocantins

        I am reading your previous comments (I didn’t see the first time you proposed this), and I think I got this confused. Is this really a fantasy baseball league (as I guess the name would suggest)? I thought it was a Survivor league based on baseball. (Thinking more about it, I am not sure that even makes sense.) But anyway, as I said before, I have no clue about anything baseball-related, so I am not sure that would work well.

        • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

          Ok, got it. Yeah, it’s just a fantasy baseball league made up of PRPers. I’m glad I doubled checked with you then.

          • TheForRealDeal

            I could be interested in rounding out the league if the availability is still there.

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            Sorry friend, but the last spot has already been claimed.

          • TheForRealDeal

            No problem! Thanks anyway.

  • the sky is falling

    Per Wigler exit interview: https://parade.com/554108/joshwigler/survivor-game-changers-tony-vlachos-exit-interview/

    Troyzan ruins everything:
    “Tony: Man, Josh, and that’s what disappoints me. There were some great players out there with me. Just that stupid night time talk with Troyzan and Sandra, it ruined everything. It ruined everything with me and Sandra. We were so good. It was just that one night. When I rushed at her, she felt uncomfortable with me asking her questions like that. At that point, now that we’ve seen it? They weren’t plotting against me. But I heard my name in the middle of the night! They could have just told me: “Tony, listen, we were talking about you, but it’s nothing bad. We were going through the list of players on the team. That’s it.” I would have been good with that! I would have bought into that. But don’t tell me crates and fire and looking at the tide. Come on, man.”

    Apparently he tried to scramble but no one would talk to him before TC, he knew going in the game was up. Good attitude though

    “Tony: Yeah. I got stung by the queen bee!”

    • Have you read Ciera’s exit press yet?

      • the sky is falling

        Just did, those exit interviews are great. Really puts things in a perspective not made clear from the edit.

      • prettyboyprobst

        NOOO!!! I mean, I read her exit interview with Wigler, but NO, TONY, NOOO!!!!

      • Something Quirky

        What are the best ones?

        • I can remember where I saw this, but she talks about how Mana hadn’t even built a shelter yet.

          • Something Quirky

            Googling now!

          • She also mentioned something that I have previously mentioned: she feels that Nuku was her tribe, which I do not agree with.

    • Roswulf

      1. I appreciate the confirmation that, at least from Tony’s perspective, this really was a boot orchestrated by Sandra.

      2. Look, I realize Varner isn’t a titan of Survivor history, but he doesn’t deserve to be lumbed in with Troyzan and Hali. That’s just mean.

      2. Oh my god Wigler is in love with Tony it is so cute.

      • Purplerockmatt

        Gordon Holmes and Malcolm’s bromance can’t be topped but this is pretty good too

  • VoicOff

    Its impressive how Sandra flipped that whole tribe like a pancake.
    She controlled every vote. Even Tony didn’t vote for her ?!

    But she got cocky. Shouldn’t call herself the Queen at TC. Keep that nickname for the private interviews. They gonna love that shit.

  • Super duper fan

    I didn’t have time to watch the episode till few hours ago but I just wanted to add some of my thoughts after the episodes:

    -Ciera got voted out, and I’m pretty bummed. I 100% expected it, but, well, what can I do. I still really like her.

    -Unfortunately, cause of my uncarefullness, I got spoiled that Tony was voted out. Cause of that, I wasn’t able to FULLY enjoy the second part as most. Still fun, and I have to blame myself for spoiling it.

    -I feel pretty good about my Hali winner pick. While she obviously was one of the least important people in the episode, she still had that confessional at the beginning, which even though it isn’t that memorable, I think shows the right kind of strategy for her this time around. It reminds me of Adam last season, when he wasn’t that focused in the premiere, but had a good confessional, where he showed all of us that in reality he is Hulk in disguise

    -Sandra, Michaela and Cirie were great. (Hell, I really liked Debbie, but i know it’s an unpopular opinion.)

    -I didn’t enjoy the episode as much because I was spoiled, but I still really liked it, and I think the rest will be also really good.

    -For now, I’m satisfied with all my fantasy league picks. I lost Ciera in Pick 4, but I expected it, and I’ll think of a good replacement.

    That’s all I had to say. And tell Kelley that I love her (alongside other 500 “I love you”‘s) cause I won’t be able to be there

    • NearlyNina

      I was all for Debbie this episode! Her reaction to Cirie’s messy scrambling was hilarious not least because it’s Debbie! That’s the thing with Debbie she’s really good at picking up when people are plotting and moving to undermine them. She’s just also crazy.

      • Super duper fan

        Like, for me, I DO want Cirie to go further than Debbie, but (kinda like Abi in Cambodia), I do appreciate the craziness she can bring to a season (even though she probably isn’t that good of a person in real life), and like I said in her write-up on this website, she is STILL really underestimated, and while she isn’t some kind of a MASTERMIND, she has a general idea on how to play, or at least better than Coach and Phillip. And unlike some others, I’m satisfied with her being on my leagues in this website (I won’t pick her for Pick-4, cause I’m not THAT confident in her chances, but where I have her, I’m not mad about).

        • Diego Armando

          She is like Coach and Phillip, because once you get past the waves of insanity and crap they spew out, they have a decent understanding of their actual role in the game.

          • Super duper fan

            I understand that, but for me Debbie even at the beginning when she doesn’t execute everything to perfection, knows what she has to do to get further than she could normally have. Out of all the girls this season, she’s the least likely to win cause like Phillip and Coach they can’t shake the image of a crazy person, but who knows, maybe also like I said in her write-up she can pull off Kristie from Australian Survivor and convince others that she isn’t as crazy as they think she is (or at the very least that she had more game than her opponent at FTC). I definetely don’t dislike Debbie as much others (even though I understand why they do).

  • StormofCuteness

    Eek, I went to Dalton Ross and the AVclub and many many commenters don’t like Sandra or Tony!!!
    So I ran back here to be amongst my own. *It’s scary out there, folks*

    • Purple Rock Emma

      It’s okay, you’re safe now.

    • Violina23

      *group hug*

      • StormofCuteness

        Awwww

    • There are a lot of terrible Survivor opinions out there.

      • StormofCuteness

        The worst!

    • corndogshuffle

      I’m so sad that one of them had to go this early but damn was it fun watching that war.

      • StormofCuteness

        It was epic, and I felt spoiled that it happened in the premiere (even though I lost one of my team).

    • Maritimer

      Dare I ask who they do like if they don’t like either of them? Its probably Ozzy isn’t it

      • StormofCuteness

        *whispers* It IS Ozzy. That’s what made it even worse.

        • Maritimer

          I suppose we should just be happy it isn’t Troy

    • Diego Armando

      When Heroes vs. Villains was airing I was hanging out in the IGN Survivor message boards. I was one of maybe 7 open Sandra backers in a sea of Russell fans (with a strong Parvati contingent). Troubled times, but weathering that will make you stronger.

      • StormofCuteness

        That sounds god awful. Are you saying I’ll be wussing out if I avoid “those” people all together? *contemplates*

        • Diego Armando

          Honestly, I have no idea what I was thinking this morning. Avoid them if you want to and feel no shame.

    • Something Quirky

      The newest comments on the AVC seem to be saying that Ozzy was a bully, and that watching Tony is entertaining, so that’s something.

      • StormofCuteness

        I’ll take your word for it, but that was not at all the case the night it aired. I will also say that, sadly, I’m more and more feeling that way on AVclub.
        I may each week check it out for an overview, but I find it much more fun and satisfying to participate here.

  • pufflehuff

    Some favourite small moments from the premiere (sorry if somebody has already praised these, so many comments!):

    Zeke: I have the best tribe. CUT immediately to FFSDT.

    Sarah: I’m a silent assassin. CUT to Sarah laughing loudly.

    Michaela, all sly with her face, to Troyzan : is that your real name? (saw some people praise this below, a serious highlight.)

    And the scene where FFSDT talks to somebody (Ozzy? Brad?) and basically explains the concept of an alliance like it’s this groundbreaking thing to try (‘this game is better if you have numbers’ or similar). The inclusion of this scene despite its non-relevence this ep makes me fear that she may have a long-term story. Though once Sandra is Queening + screaming and Cirie is scheming, who cares!

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

  • Has anyone else talked about the awkward scene between Ozzy and JT confirming their alliance where they almost pinky promise each other about it? I want to know what Stephen’s reaction was to that.

  • Something Quirky

    Listening to someone seeing Tony play for the first time was amazing.