Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers Bonus Content Roundup – Week 11

Special Guest Barbara Anderson shares the best bonus scenes from the previous episode of Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers.

This Week In Secret Scenes

”Ben Feels the Heat”

This week’s Secret Scene is actually an extended scene of everyone’s favorite fight of the season: Ben vs Chrissy after Tribal. Despite the fact that roughly half of this scene made the episode, there is still a lot going on here. First of all, Chrissy and Ryan are still extremely dismissive of the then-majority alliance, which is extremely surprising, I know. Also, Mike is not as tight with Ryan as their side convo at Tribal made it seem. During the Ben and Chrissy fight, Mike is actually down at the fire with everyone else “sucking up” as Ryan put it. Finally and most importantly, if this scene made the episode, this would be the first instance of the majority alliance not knowing how to handle strategic conversations when their potential target walks in on them in this very episode. This is important context because it gives some reason why he would make the fake idol besides to embarrass Chrissy at Tribal. Ben is now alert to the fact that not only is he a target, but those three may have found a new fourth in Mike. He could use his real idol if he needs to, but as we saw in the episode, he wanted to hold it as long as possible. Unfortunately, this crew are not good liars. If Survivor Rule #2 is Have a Plan B, Have a Convincing Poker Face has to be Rule #5 at the very least.

This Week In Confessionals

”Another Reason Chrissy Has to Go”

So, besides Ben’s emotional vendetta against Chrissy, he is actually extremely scared by Chrissy’s love of the game. He also knew that he had no shot at seeing his wife once Chrissy won because he knew that she wouldn’t pick him. He then accurately calls why Chrissy chose Ashley (which spoke to the witch in me). TL:DW: Ashley is seen as easy to sway over and easy to win against at FTC. In a season that many see as bland, Ashley may be the blandest goat in Survivor history. Last note: Ben used the word “tacticianer”, which makes me want to discredit some of his strategy talk in this confessional.

”She’s My Angel”

Let’s stick with Ben for a little bit as he explains how important his wife is to him. I will admit to fully tearing up watching this video because I am a sap for loved ones visits. Also, Ben’s quick-paced Survivor play may be more true to off-island life since he bought a house and had a kid in the first year of knowing his wife. I guess when you know, you know.

”My Reason for Picking Them”

Part of this confessional made the episode, so I feel obliged to share it. There is some fun stuff going on here. I love the fact that Chrissy dismisses the Terry Deitz rules of loved ones because it is not objective enough (Note: She doesn’t call them the “Terry Deitz rules”, but she is definitely beating around that bush). She has also been keeping track of challenge stats, which may fuel her reasoning for targeting Ashley sooner rather than later. My personal favorite thing is that self-proclaimed strategic and social mastermind Chrissy freely admits that she has no idea what is going on in the majority alliance. Sure, she rightly guesses two of the three masterminds behind the previous boots, but she still doesn’t realize how much power Lauren had in that group to begin with.

”People Might Think I’m Crazy”

A running theme in the confessionals this week is how stupid Devon was for his actions during the Immunity Challenge. Instead of highlighting all of those confessionals, why not hear from the man himself? Once again, we are seeing some good strategic chops from our beautiful, beautiful light. He also brings up that Ashley is important to him because she has disclosed everything that she thought about in this game, which is an underlying theme of Devon’s game this entire season.

”I’m Not Going Home”

I know Ben is not high on a lot of people’s lists because he has his jerk tendencies. I get it completely. However, I love me some giddy Ben. If you wanted to see Ben explain the method behind his madness during the aftermath of the Immunity Challenge with a big grin on his face, this is the confessional for you. An important note: Despite what was shown on the episode, he was going to play his idol during this tribal council regardless in order to break up his former alliance and make Ashley and Devon even bigger targets as a “power couple”. He also shows some decent understanding of two Survivor principles: don’t show your hand to everybody else in the game and if you are going to try to attract votes, then you have to back up your boasts with actual action (cough Mike cough).

This Week In Ponderosa

”Damn, I’m A Dummy”

Lauren’s Ponderosa is low-key fun. She calls Joe “shug”, potentially spoils Titanic, and goes on a crabbing expedition with Joe aka Mr. Cheapy-Cheapy. Sure, she does have a little bit of tension with Joe in the post-boot dinner over why they went with him, but the rest of the nine minutes is easily the most relaxed I have seen her (and Joe) all season. I know this is going to be shocking to all of you, but this Ponderosa is weirdly light on Desi and JP and HEAVY on Lauren and Joe. However, the big game takeaway is that Lauren is convinced that Ben has screwed himself because of his rogue nature. Let’s see how that plays out.

This Week In Gifable Moments

When you are looking for anything to distract you from finals

When someone says that Cambodia is their favorite season

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After being an off and on viewer for 14 years, Barbara watched the season premiere of San Juan del Sur and the rest is history. And by history, she means winning two Survivor fantasy leagues, becoming the resident Cambodia contrarian and Survivor gossip queen and lurking in discussion forums. Oh, and she's totally not a witch.

Favorite seasons: HvV, Philippines, Australian Outback, China, Cagayan
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  • Taako From Teevhii

    Great job Barbara! I thought the Chrissy confessional and the last Ben confessional were super interesting. And Lauren’s Ponderosa was just low-key fun? I thought it was the best Ponderosa of the season. I wonder if Joe is Cheapy-Cheapy bc he’s a food moocher or if he’s Cheepy-Cheepy bc he never shuts up.

    Also, no one in their right minds picks Cambodia as their favorite season. It’s just clearly Top 10.

    • I feel like she called him Cheapy-Cheapy because he called her Cheapy-Cheapy for believing that she used 5 dollar nets when she uses 50 dollar nets.

      Also, I was not expecting to be smiling as much as I did during Lauren’s Ponderosa. I expected her to burn Cole more, but she remarkably refrained herself.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    TAZ talk! Quick note up top, I think it was our policy that we skip over any episode that isn’t numbered. So Switcheroos, live shows, and TTAZZs won’t be part of this, but you’re encouraged to listen to those separately. So next week, we’re covering E25-27. We’ll then probably take two weeks off and get back at it on Jan. 8.

    Anyway, here’s what happened on E22-24:
    The boys dispose of a body.
    The boys do some sneakin’ and infiltrate the Hammerheads.
    The boys reunite with an old friend.
    Hurley gives the boys their pizzas dildos masks: a bear, an owl, and … a mongoose.
    The gang does a battle wagon race, dispatching four gerblins, some dolphins, two gerbils, and an octopus (in a fish bowl).

    Talk amongst yourselves. But also, here’s some nerdy shit I thought I’d share with y’all.

    The battle wagon race reminded me of one of my favorite things I’ve ever done for school. In my senior year physics class, our EoC project was a robot tournament where we’d all pair off and build mini motorized vehicles that would face off against each other. The task was to go up a ramp to a platform and knock over your pylon (your opponent’s was in the opposite corner of the platform), then go down your opponent’s ramp to their starting zone. The first robot to knock over the pylon and reach the other zone wins, but we had “anything goes” rules. If you could find a way to knock or drop your opponent off the platform, fair game.

    So me and my partner created The Hammerhead (no relation to TAZ), which was essentially two wheels and a wide wedge panel on the front that was almost flush to the ground (think of a shovel on wheels). And our strategy was essentially to play defense by cornering our opponent, getting under their wheels to take away their traction, and pushing them over the edge. So I wish something like that had been in this battle wagon race. That’d be dope.

    Other nerdy (math) stuff: I’m not positive that Taako should’ve been able to levitate the bobsled because there were four people in it. So the collective weight would’ve been above 500 lbs. But this goes in the tradition of “Bend the rules if the thing is cool.” Also, Griffin kept saying the gerbil wheel rolled “horizontally over the wagon” when he should’ve been saying laterally. In a 3D space, you can’t horizontally roll over anything.

    And now for the spoilery part of our discussion. In the Money Zone from E22, Griffin reads a Jumbo about robots, a creepy old ghost, and fuzzy animals and says that all three appear in the next arc. Which, crazily, became true. Dope shit.

    Also, if you’ve been listening to TAZ’s Pilot Season, read this important set of announcements: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheAdventureZone/comments/7j01va/new_announcements_from_podcon_ttazz/

    • sharculese

      For some reason I forgot they just threw Barabara off a cliff, I though Taako cast a spell and they dumped him in another dimension. Also, everything that’s happening means next week we get the introduction of Garryll!

    • DrVanNostrand

      After falling behind, I’ve now finished all of Petals to the Metal. I don’t have too much to say because I honestly can’t remember exactly which things happened in which episodes, but this is a pretty good arc for me. Taako is pretty clever with the spells, especially with respect to you-know-who. I also like the through line of how they constantly try, but fail, not to kill people. Worst. Heroes. Ever.

  • Maritimer

    This is the first Ponderosa I could be bothered to watch this season, but that jury really doesn’t seem high on Ben, especially with Lauren making him look bad about the fake idol thing. That’s not to say he can’t win, but I don’t think he’s all that popular with the people he played with.

    Also, I was thinking during it how I would feel about Lauren as a returnee. I think on a returnee season she might get laps run around her strategically, but also that she may be the most likely returnee from this season. What are the chances the next returnee season (casting rumours: which, rumour has it, may not be next cycle so we are potentially looking at least season 39 ) has no returnees from Triple H?

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I think it depends on what the returnee theme is. If it’s HvV2 for S40, I think the chances of 3H returnees are lower than if it’s Second Chances. If it’s no theme like GC, then we could get a handful from this season.

      • Maritimer

        Yeah, Second Chances would be the best bet I’d think. If we get a couple cycles out, I think they could all be passed over for even a no theme season. Of course, One World has four returnees, none of who are named Kim, so who the hell knows? (and there’s still time for someone to make themselves stand out as a potential returnee)

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Yeah, It’s all kinda relative. It’s possible that One World has so many returnees (and possibly more if Sabrina or Kim return) bc you wouldn’t draw from RI, SoPa, or Caramoan, for example. So in that sense, I’m totally with you that 3H players could get lost in the crowd.

          On the flip side, if GI has a weak cast (no evidence of that, just a hypothetical), two of the previous seasons were all-returnee, and six players combined came from the other two, then 3H players look ripe for picking. Ben and Chrissy are right up the returnee alley. Production seems high on Ryan and Ali, possibly on Joe and Lauren too. I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to make Cole happen as Joe Anglim 2.0. There are definitely some options there.

          • Maritimer

            I like that take on OW returnees. Really, the only one left from those 3 I’d really want back is Sophie, I think (only counting Caramoan newbies). But you’re right in that really, there’s not a big pool right now. It does come down to the next season(s) casting quality where these people fit. MvGX has a lot of options, but KR is picked pretty clean already, WA has Jenn, Mike, and Rodney, SJDS has Jon and Nat, Cagayan’s picked clean, BvW only has Hayden, so that could leave openings for some of this cast, even if they aren’t the strongest. (I’m sure I’m missing some people here).

            I think your assessment of this casts likelihood is about right. Ryan and Chrissy might even do better in a second go around with more strategic people if they are properly knocked down a peg here

          • I could see LJ and Trish coming back from Cagayan.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Agree on Trish, not sure about LJ.

          • I mean, Sarah came back. They might want bland hot dudes.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            But Sarah was actually trying to play in Cagayan. LJ wasn’t on that level.

          • Sorta. He was able to get Trish to flip Tony against Cliff.

          • purplerockandy

            The Cliff that Tony had wanted to vote out the whole time? Bold play by LJ and Trish.

          • Somehow I knew someone would call me on that, but I thought it would be John.

          • Blurry Denzel

            But the bland hot dude from Cagayan already returned. I’m kidding, Woo isn’t that bland.

          • Also, Jeremiah is still on the table.

          • Blurry Denzel

            I’m good without seeing him. The Cagayan returnees I want are Brice, Alexis and Trish.

          • I mean he is a bland hot dude from Cagayan.

          • Blurry Denzel

            Was he actually “hot” though?

          • Unfortunately yes.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            No.

          • Alycia Swift

            I always thought they should have put him on brains or brawn and Garrett on beauty tho Woo would have fit beauty too.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            After seeing Woo on three seasons of Survivor I’m kind of done with him.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I was done after 1.

          • Maritimer

            Oh yeah, Trish. I’d be more surprised by LJ, I think if you’re going “bland hot dude” you pick someone more recent. LJ’s coming up on 10 seasons ago and is probably pretty forgotten among the general fandom

          • sharculese

            One World only has one more returnee than SoPa, tho.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Shit, somehow I always forget that Dawn and Cochran were on SoPa.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        What are you talking about? Everybody in the S34 cast changed. the. game.

    • Blurry Denzel

      I think the show (and me) are very high on Ali. If she wants to return, she’s a near lock for me.

      • Maritimer

        Ali could easily be on a Second Chances season. As much as I’d be down to see her back, I’d be surprised if she made another theme, though Michaela has proven the possibility of strong premerge boots making returnee seasons.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          If they do second chances again, I wonder if they expand the voting pool to 20 people per gender and also if some of the S31 rejects agree to go thru the voting process again. I’m specifically thinking of T-Bird and Jim Rice bc people like Culpepper and Troyzan already made it on in S34.

          • Maritimer

            I think the issue with 20 per gender is it might leave too many fans disappointed afterwards. I think its a tougher blow if your favourite doesn’t get voted in than if they get passed over. They also seemed to have a tough time getting to 16 quality candidates for both genders last time. I don’t know about T-Bird and Jim, it would be tough to do that to them and potentially be rejected again, but T-Bird has a significant fan base and production loves Jim. You may need them to fill out the pool but I think the chances of them getting on would be slim

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            I mean, CBS could juke the stats to let those two in. I wouldn’t hate them for it.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I’d be so curious to see how they’d cast for another SC season. Do you even let the fanbase vote again or do you take fan input out of it? Or do you do some half-measure where we pick ten and they pick ten?

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            It might be fun if they did an online vote where you could vote for any former one time player, and then production took those results to ~guide~ casting. I’m sure there would be some stupid results in there, and also probably many people who wouldn’t be willing to return, but it might be fun if when they’re announcing the cast Jeff could be like “and our number one vote getter: Lauren” (jk, jk)

          • Maritimer

            Rupert would somehow win this vote, followed by Malcolm and Joe, despite not being options

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Hahaha yes, so true. I would love for Jeff to have to explain that when announcing the cast. It would be like a TC where a million idols were played.
            Jeff: Rupert…doesn’t count. Malcom…doesn’t count. Joe…doesn’t count.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Taking the Facebook fandom out of this, who’s the John Scott of this vote? I think our John would lead a Kourtney Moon campaign, while the rest of us plus the RobC listeners try to elect Lil. r/Survivor … well I have no clue who they’re picking. Maybe Lauren.

          • Maritimer

            Likely Lauren. or J’tia. or someone utterly ridiculous, like Naonka

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            *fart*

          • purplerockandy

            I believe we got 17 out of our 20 PRP selections (and one of the 20 was Mike). So we’re pretty influential.

          • I got 18/20 from my list.

          • Blurry Denzel

            My list was not as good. I think 15/20 but I had to throw votes on Nat Ten and Mikayla for reasons.

          • sharculese

            I refused to vote for Mikayla because Russell was stumping for her. I voted for Stephanie Valencia, tho, because she was really fun in her RHAP interview.

          • Blurry Denzel

            And I voted for Mikayla because Brandon treated her so awfully in South Pacific. Those fucking Hantzs.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Me too, but most of me still didn’t care if she came back.

          • Alycia Swift

            I wish we did not have to vote 10. If you want 8 out of the 16,you should be able to vote for 8.

          • purplerockandy

            Looks like we didn’t bother with Mike since we figured he would be ineligible. So we wanted T-Bird, Shane, and Max instead of Kimmi, Woo, and Keith.

          • I think a lot of the online Survivor community just assumed that Mike was in, but the male pool was extremely weak.

          • purplerockandy

            The MALE pool?

          • Yes, the male pool.

          • purplerockandy

            Yeah, it lacked the depth of Mikayla, Nat Ten, Sabrina, Monica, and Kelley Wentworth.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            In retrospect, I’m skeptical that Max over Keith would have actually been better.

          • Not today, Taako, not today on my post.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Wait a second, isn’t one of your major beefs that Cambodia is already too gamebotty?

          • Completely misread your comment. Carry on.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Right on all counts

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Or y’all are basic and vote like it.

          • purplerockandy

            We lack the refined Taako tastes of Jim Rice, Mikayla, and Troyzan.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Where did I say that I voted for them? Even for straw men, this is weak, man.

          • purplerockandy

            Nah, I’ve done worse.

          • Maritimer

            I think the precedent has been set. If they wanted to pick their own, they’d have to theme it differently (like FTC losers v jury v pre-merge or something)

          • I think T-Bird’s chances are bolstered by the fact that she is still active in the Survivor community. Jim Rice disappeared.

          • Blurry Denzel

            Production may love Jim but I do not. I’m joyful anytime I see a cast list for an upcoming season and he’s not there.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Damn Denzel, stop trying to impress me.

          • Maritimer

            I didn’t like him at all on SoPa. I was surprised when I learned that production liked him and that he was popular among small parts of the fan base

          • purplerockandy

            It’s pretty easy to be popular among small parts of the fan base. Just go on RHAP semi-regularly.

          • I feel like Jim may be knocked out again because Mike reminds me a lot of him.

          • Blurry Denzel

            Mike doesn’t come off as big of an asshole as Jim did. But I do see the similarities in their delusions as strategic masterminds.

          • Alycia Swift

            It’s a tougher blow to the potential players too if they were not voted in as opposed to being droppe by casting.

          • Maritimer

            Yeah, the psychological blow of losing a fan vote must be brutal

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Of all the returnee themes they’ve done, I think second chances is the one I’d most like to see again. (HvV is probably second, but I’m afraid they’d screw it up so bad that it would negatively impact our memories of the original).

        • Wentworth and Brad Culpepper say hello.

          • Maritimer

            Wasn’t counting Second Chances there, should have made that clear. Culpepper is another good example though.

          • purplerockandy

            Brad’s saying it for him and Monica.

          • I forgot about Monica, but I don’t know if I would call her a “strong premerge boot”. She was simply a target for the worst power couple in Survivor history.

        • the sky is falling

          Like it or not, Joe is a 100% lock to return.

          • Maritimer

            See, I’m not so sure. If we have a returnee season in the next ~3 or so seasons, he’s almost a lock. If it gets past that, even he could be lost in the shuffle of a similar type comes along, and it’s a type I think they’re casting for

          • the sky is falling

            Looking back at the history, there’s generally a gap of 3 seasons between returnees (occasionally less or just 2 returnees. If we have 2 more newbie seasons until a HvV2 or something. I could easily accept no one from this cast returning.

      • purplerockandy

        I was already primed for an Ali return. Then I followed her Instagram and it became a necessity.

        • Blurry Denzel

          Her Instagram game is legendary. That may sound like hyperbole but I assure everyone it is not.

          • purplerockandy

            She’s already a PRP top 3.

          • Blurry Denzel

            One particular post may have caused a lot of commotion among PRPers in Brooklyn about a month ago.

          • I know the post of which you speak. It was quite good.

        • UseYourCommonSense

          She’s so pretty!

      • I think they would go for Jessica first. Jessica could have a similar narrative that Wentworth had in Cambodia.

        • Blurry Denzel

          I think they would go for both but I think it’s Ali before Jessica but those are the top two for me anyway.

        • I say it is Ali over Jessica but they’re both at 50-50 odds to come back at the moment. ( I could see the show going for other people in their niches.)

      • Diego Armando

        The only players I would be happy to see back are the following:
        Ali and Jessica because they are the two players who might have actual skills.

        Joe because he will try to be entertaining.

        Maybe Alan for the same reason as Joe.

        • Blurry Denzel

          If i were to rank the players I want back from this season, it would go

          1. Ali
          2. Jessica
          3. Alan
          4. Chrissy
          5. Lauren
          6. Joe
          7. Devon
          8. Roark

          I would watch Desi on a completely different show.

  • Blurry Denzel

    Off season Baseball stuff: The trade is official, my Yankees have now received NL MVP, Giancarlo Stanton. When I used to live in Florida, i went to a decent amount of Marlins games with a friend. I joked with him how much more exciting it would be to watch Stanton murder baseballs out of Yankee stadium after he signs there as a free agent. I don’t even have to wait that long because the Marlins practically gave him to us. I’m so excited for next season.

    Also, I’m glad that my team will be returning to the most hated post. It seems that other teams try to take that mantle. The Red Sox with their whiny delusions that they’re still some kind of heroic underdogs. The Dodgers with their Yankee like spending. The Cardinals with their holier than thou attitude. Move over because the Yanks are back to being most booworthy. I normally am broken easily by negativity in my life (reason 54 why I can never go on Survivor) but I love when people hate my team, that shit fuels me. So bring it on.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Sometimes I feel delusional because I apparently don’t hate the Dodgers as much as I should. It’s just like, I like watching Seager and Kershaw and Jansen and Belly. They’re fun to watch. When I watch the Yankees, I have no clue who I’m supposed to be rooting for. I rooted for Judge strictly for fantasy reasons, and Gary is um, fine I guess. I know the Dodgers are actually a Yankee-level evil empire, but I can’t get myself to see it.

      • Blurry Denzel

        Those players are fun to watch. I also personally don’t hate the Dodgers for their spending, that would be very hypocritical of me. I also had a soft spot for the Giants as a big Barry Bonds fan growing up and later watching players like Lincecum and Posey
        The Dodgers were their main rival and as manufactured as rivalries are, they can still be effective. I wouldn’t have them at the bottom (Red Sox) but they are close.

        As for rootable Yanks, Judge seems legit cool and nice. Sanchez is kind of a douche. Stanton is awesome.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          I repeat: I always knew you had good taste. (Yankees aside.)

          • Blurry Denzel

            Yeah, maybe a rare parenting misstep to take five year old me to a Yanks game. I was hooked ever since.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Since I’m procrastinating anyway, here’s how it shakes out for me:

          1. White Sox
          2. Baseball, like in general, as a sport
          3. Blue Jays
          4. A’s
          5. Astros
          6. Mariners
          7. Pirates
          8. Rockies
          9. Rangers
          10. DBacks
          11. Dodgers
          12. Padres
          13. Os
          14. Reds
          15. Brewers
          16. Rays
          17. Angels
          18. Braves
          19. Phillies
          20. Mets
          21. Marlins
          22. Charlotte Knights
          23. Birmingham Barons
          24. Winston-Salem Dash
          25. Montgomery Biscuits
          26. Tribe
          27. Twins
          28. Royals
          29. Tigers
          30. Red Sox
          31. Nats
          32. Cards
          33. Giants
          34. Yankees
          35. Chris Sale
          36. Jose Altuve
          37. Carlos Correa
          38. Manny Machado
          39. Mookie Betts
          40. Nolan Arenado
          41. Corey Seager
          42. Josh Donaldson
          43. Clayton Kershaw
          44. Mike Trout
          45. Goldy
          46. Jason Bennetti
          47. Dale Scott
          48. This one beer vendor who used to be at Sox games, but I never see him any more
          49. Cubs

          • Diego Armando

            Can you put the Twinkies lower?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I’m sorry you root for the terriblest team in the Central, but thems the breaks.

          • sharculese

            Can you edit it to call the Cowards by their actual name?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Is this because they’re not actually in Atlanta or because they played in Turner for less than 20 years before ditching it? If it’s the first one, the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim have set a precedent, as have the New York football teams. If it’s the second one, I think Atlanta Assholes is a better name.

          • sharculese

            It’s because a lot of people suspect a major impetus for the move was the belief that white fans weren’t coming into the city because that’s where all the scary black people live.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            The Blue Ridge Bigots then

          • sharculese

            Well, I like Cobb County Cowards because if you really want to be pointed you can change c’s to k’s.

          • Diego Armando

            Hopefully we will come out of rebuilding mode faster than the White Sox.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Hopefully you don’t. And considering that we had Sale, Eaton, and Q to move and Detroit has Fulmer, and … um … Kinsler? Yeah, anyway, with JV already moved, I’m not sure how many prospects Avila can reel in via trade. Y’all might have to go the old fashioned way, strictly with the draft and IFAs.

          • Blurry Denzel

            I’ve never thought about ranking favorite players. It would also be super effective for NBA because I don’t hate any teams, not even the Celtics or Lakers. Here’s my top ten favorite baseball players

            1. Jose Altuve
            2. Aaron Judge
            3. Giancarlo Stanton
            4. Mike Trout
            5. Clayton Kershaw
            6. Corey Kluber
            7. Manny Machado
            8. Paul Goldschmidt
            9. Mookie Betts (yes, I’m capable of liking Red Sox players)
            10. Buster Posey

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Don’t worry, I’ll hate the Dodgers enough for both of us.

      • Diego Armando

        I don’t hate them either, nor do I really hate the Yankees.

      • StormofCuteness

        As a livelong Dodger fan (who has been married into now being a Cubs fan), I hate the Yankees with every fiber of my being. When I lived in NYC, I was intentionally for the Mets as an extra FU. Petty and old-school, you betcha.

    • Yay, Cards are not #1 on BD’s most hated teams list!

      • Blurry Denzel

        I ranked all the teams by who I liked the most awhile ago and I think they were third to last.

    • sharculese

      I only hate one baseball team and it’s the Cobb County Cowards. Fortunately, they are currently very bad at baseball.

      • Blurry Denzel

        I hate them too

    • Purple Rock Emma

      WHATEVER THE GIANTS DIDN’T WANT GIANCARLO ANYWAY IT’S FINE. 😭

      • Diego Armando

        I can testify that it might not be worth it. See Victor Martinez.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Oh Diego, are you really comparing the Stanton trade to the VMart signing?

          • Diego Armando

            No, but I mean you might regret the huge price tag in 4 years.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I think it’s highly likely that Stanton opts out. It would take a Prince Fielder-level injury for him not to. I think the Yankees got a super duper steal.

      • Blurry Denzel

        At least he isn’t a Dodger, right? Silver linings and things like that, Final Boss Emma.

    • purplerockandy

      So glad the Marlins were freed from the tyranny of their skin-flint former owners.

      The Marlins are a ponzie scheme.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Loria was very bad generally and Jeter & co are very bad specifically for baseball ops. Should’ve been Glavine and Cuban.

        • sharculese

          Tom Glavine’s kind of a dick. His wife and son are really awesome though.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            tbh, just being “kind of” a dick makes him better than average among baseball owners.

          • sharculese

            He said maybe two words to me in all the times he saw me, would just go sit in his sun room and watch Fox News, and worst of all, would shoo the dogs out of the room every time he showed up. Like even by the standards of dads who let their wives completely handle the process of hiring a tutor he stood out as excessively cold.

      • Diego Armando

        They are easily the worst run organization in baseball. They also immediately sell of all their most promising talent (to the benefit of the Tigers, Yankees and Blue Jays).

    • Mike Hirsch

      When it comes to baseball, it’s all a little too inside baseball for me.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Real talk: I wouldn’t so far as to say I empathize with Yankees and Patriots fans (that would be crazy talk), but with the sheer volume of unhinged, frothing-at-the-mouth hatred directed at the Warriors, I think I kind of get where they’re coming from (the Giants were bad enough in the odd years that they never got the full Evil Empire treatment).

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Just because I literally have no memory of it, were the 90s Bulls hated as much as the Warriors seem to be now? I think I blame the Big 3 Miami teams for making super teams instant heels.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Far from it, they were mostly beloved, as were the Showtime Lakers to a lesser extent.

          • StormofCuteness

            Co-sign

      • Mike Hirsch

        The frothing-at-the-mouth hatred should only serve to remind fans that they’ve made the right choice in their fandom.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        As an only partially biased observer, it was pretty amazing how it only took one championship for public opinion to completely turn on the Warriors.

        • sharculese

          Well, to be fair, everyone does think they killed Cyrus.

          Sorry, The Warriors was on TV the other night.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            “Sharculese, come out to play-ay!”

        • Blurry Denzel

          I thought they were still liked after the first title. To me, it seemed like things changed when they went 73-9 the next year. It hit the point of no return when they signed Durant.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I mean, that’s my point. They won the championship and people were like “Wow good for them!” and then they continued to be great the very next season and suddenly it was like “Whoa whoa whoa, two years in a row? Basketball has never seen such dominance! Return to being awful and irrelevant immediately!”

            But at least the KD stuff makes sense because it’s Yankees-esque.

          • Blurry Denzel

            Oh okay, I misunderstood. I agree with you point. Having a douchey player like Draymomd Green doesn’t help things either

          • Purple Rock Emma

            We’re quickly reaching the limit of my knowledge here, so instead an anecdote: I have been assigned with giving my four-year-old nephew a Warriors snapbacks but in an adult size because his head is so big.

          • Blurry Denzel

            I know the feeling of adult sized hats as a child.

        • Diego Armando

          My rationale for this hate, is that one team always winning is boring. The Patriots do go the extra mile to make themselves the biggest douchebags though.

      • Blurry Denzel

        Oh to be in the same sentence as Pats fan. It’s obviously a logical comparison but at least we don’t have the paranoia that Pats fans have that league is out to us.

    • I’m a Red Sox fan but that is a well played shot. The Red Sox haven’t been underdogs in a while. Honestly we should have at least one (possibly two) more rings this century then we do have right now if the organization did a better job. The “underdogs” narrative makes it easier for them to pass off their failures (of which there are MANY)

  • Full Disclosure Time: This week was the first time I have ever watched secret scenes/Ponderosa/deleted confessionals, so I hope I did justice to @Taako_From_Teevhii:disqus’s bit. There was some random nuggets of goodness that I couldn’t include.
    *I came dangerously close to including one of Ryan’s confessionals about his dad (who seems like a fascinating dude), but then one of his confessionals ends with something along the lines of “I have been alive 35,000 days and Day 31 of Survivor is my best day” and I went “NOPE!”
    *Ashley insists that Devon and her are only alliance partners
    *Despite that, Ben wants to put the picture in everyone’s head that they are sharing a string of spaghetti between them, Lady and the Tramp Style. This was easily the funniest moment of this week in secret scenes but I already had so much Ben content that needed to be shared.
    *Ashley’s confessionals definitely gave me some Michele Fitzgerald vibes in that she is a pleasant but bland presence.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      The post was great! But if you’re talking about bonus bonus content, then links Barbara, gotta give them links!

      • I might later. But really, these brief sentences are the main good parts of everything else.

        I was a little shocked by the lack of loved one confessionals (which I know has happened in the past) as well as the minimal content from after the Immunity Challenge minus “Devon is smart/dumb for doing what he did”. Lauren’s only deleted confessionals were from the idol hunt where she talks about how she has already accomplished everything she set out to do, which good on the Survivor editors for not including that.

    • DrVanNostrand

      OWA!

  • Diego Armando

    I’m willing to make my Winner Prediction now: I think it is Ryan.

    He has a relatively easy path to the end since he will be easily overlooked by everyone else. Devon and Mike will probably be targeted as jury threats. Ben and Chrissy will take the majority of jury anger. Ashley probably won’t make the final either.

  • Barbara what I’m really interested in is your thoughts on Colby’s recent appearance.

    • I don’t actually watch/listen to KIAs. I don’t know if I can handle two of my Survivor crushes in the same room together.

      • Blurry Denzel

        If that’s tough, try being in the same room as two of your Survivor crushes.

        • Now you’re speaking my language while also inadvertently revealing one of my reasons why I don’t know if I can handle Live KIAs.

          • Blurry Denzel

            Shit, that was not my intention. I shared the full story previously but I was nervous going into my first live KIAs before Aubry showed herself to be huge calming presence. You’ll be fine.

      • You know this is my first season where I’ve been full diving into podcasts and the community and one thing I was looking forward to was listening to KIA every week since I’d never done it before. Rob’s my favorite of all time and I am actually a big Fishbach fan, despite the fact that I still have yet to watch Tocantins… that being said I’m starting to find plowing through all the podcasts a chore and I’m trying to figure out what I want to cut out for next season and KIA is on the chopping block for me. It’s starting to feel like a lot of the same thing week in and week out (though that might be more a commentary on this season than it is on KIA).

        So wait is Fishbach your other crush? Anyway you did not miss much if you haven’t listened/watched, Ms. Sweaterfan just kinda covered it pretty well in her comment below.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Tocantins is the BEST season ever! The Tyson/Coach combo is amazing. Plus, best loved ones visit ever!

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Ooh, we haven’t ranked the loved ones visits yet. Tocantins and Pearl Islands are 1 and 2 in some order.

          • Tocantins might be next for me. I don’t know, I’m debating, there are a lot of good seasons that I haven’t watched yet (Cook Islands, China, Tocantins, Philippines, and Cagayan are all on the list).

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Cook Islands is a little slow to really get going IMO, but otherwise those are all among the best of the best. And I know you’re trying to cut down on the Survivor podcasts but The Evolution of Strategy is really worthwhile if you’re watching past seasons.

          • Yeah I want to get to that too for sure but right now funds are low so I’m going to listen to the free stuff first 🙂

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Oh, forgot to mention that Cirie was fantastic at the live KIA a few weeks ago. That’s essential too.

          • Listened to that one. I am in on anything with Cirie.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I personally would drop every other RHAP podcast before dropping KIA, especially if you’re a Fishbach fan. I like balancing the immediate reaction of KIA with the next-day takes of PRP. Although if you listen to KIA long enough you start to really understand Stephen’s weak spots as a player.

          • Yeah I haven’t felt the need to drop it just yet… When this season is over I need to figure out how to dial back because I went from not even realizing what was out there to immersing myself in a boat load of Survivor stuff. I need to step back and focus on the quality stuff.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I don’t know how many of the Postshow Recap shows Rob is personally involved in, but the sheer volume of content he pumps out during the Survivor season is kind of amazing. If you can’t keep up listening to his Survivor podcasts, imagine
            making them.

            I think the essentials are PRP, KIA, and Snakes Rats and Goats for in-season individual episode recaps, plus Rob’s exit interviews and the long-form interview with the winner. I’ve also been meaning to watch Andrea’s show for reasons.

          • After discovering RHAP I went back and listened to his interviews with Jeremy and Adam and thought they were both excellent. The one with Sarah came out shortly after that and that was pretty good as well. I need to go back and listen to some of the other winner interviews as well.

          • purplerockandy

            FWIW, I legit think our wrap-up podcast with Tony was better than Rob’s, largely because he was more relaxed with us since we were on his side throughout much of the season. His interview with Rob was more adversarial with Tony very much on the defensive and Rob still trying to hold on to some of his Tony criticisms throughout the season.

          • When I finally watch Cagayan I plan to listen to both for sure, I actually want to go back and listen to your entire Cagayan run considering how you guys feel about Tony.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I’m curious about people’s thoughts on this as well. I started listening and actually turned it off during Colby’s extended soliloquy, and then never finished it. I like the guy, but I don’t actually need to know how he met Reynold’s wife.
      I loved that the whole weird monologue started when Rob asked what he thought of the episode and he was like “well I haven’t been watching this season but………”
      Dude, we would all love to listen to a Colby longform interview, but live KIA is not the time or place.

      • DrVanNostrand

        “Dude, we would all love to listen to a Colby longform interview…”

        Would we all? Really?

        • Yes (in that it would be Rob interviewing Rob’s Colby impression).

          • At one point Colby said something about how he would have kicked Rob’s ass if they’d been on the same tribe during All Stars and I don’t know if it was a joke and it looked super awkward.

      • There were a handful of interesting nuggets of info in there but there was a lot to work through to get to it. This is one reason why I’ve been struggling with RHAP a bit, the curtain gets pulled back on a lot of Survivor players and it’s sometimes uncomfortable to see. Some of it is fascinating to listen to (as an old school fan I was absolutely floored to listen to the first interview he did with Boston Rob where they actually hashed out some of what happened on All Stars) but a lot of it is just plain awkward. I wish there was a guide somewhere to the best interviews, having only found out about RHAP a few months ago it’s a damn lot of content to try to navigate.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Yeah, it’s 5 out of 7 days during the season now (KIA, exit interview, recap, feedback, Wiggle Room). Not to mention News AF and Why X Lost, which got spun off this season. I skip the recap and feedback shows unless the guest is compelling, and also the This Day in Survivor Quiz and the Wand-off. I always listen to the winner’s post-season interview, and the only one that I thought wasn’t worthwhile was Michele’s (although even that convinced me that the talk of her being someone easy to hang out with 24/7 was true). Off the top of my head, Sophie, Denise, and (non-News-AF) Tyson appearances are not to be missed.

          • Alycia Swift

            And The one with Survivor games which I have to skip plus the one-offs like the Aj Mass podcast.

            I’d also recommend not missing the Myles Nye ones. He’s not a player but rather a challenge consultant.

          • Max_Jets

            Aras is also a great guest, though I admit the one that I think of mostly fondly is the video recap where he wears short shorts.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            For a few seasons I listened to as much RHAP Survivor related content as I could find, but now that I’ve discovered that non-Survivor podcasts exist I listen to KIA, and occasionally the recap or feedback if the guest is someone really great (I concur with your brief list and would add Nicole Cesternino and Brice Iziyah…even though I’ve missed this season’s appearances so far)

          • F***ing Stick

            I’ve heard that Brice is one of the most popular guests but I found him kinda annoying in Cagayan and have never listened to his RHAP appearances. What is it that makes his appearances on RHAP so good? Would someone who didn’t love him on Survivor enjoy him on RHAP?

          • Max_Jets

            If you found him annoying on Cagayan, you would not like his podcasts.

          • F***ing Stick

            Thanks for the info!

          • prettyboyprobst

            Go back and listen to Nicole’s appearance as the voicemail guest for episode 12. You won’t regret it.There were some true highlights in there.

            Brice was actually the voicemail guest the week before, but I don’t get much out of listening to him, so I skipped that one this time.

  • the sky is falling

    has PRP ever ranked the Survivor winners? or is that parallel to the season rankings?
    I am banning myself from making lists, last time went badly…

    • Side Character

      I don’t think they have ranked the winners. They did the Winners Bracket earlier this year, but that doesn’t count because it was us commenters voting on it, not the PRP staff (or just John and Andy) making a “definitive” ranking.
      Personally, I wouldn’t be able to rank winners because there are many factors to put into consideration. For one, their games are very circumstantial and the way they play may not work well in other seasons. The likability factor also comes into play. As well, our outlook on winners’ games are affected by how we look at each season. Do we rank dominant winners on less-than-favourable seasons above winners with smaller edits on highly lauded seasons, or vice versa?

      • the sky is falling

        Yes, it would be a highly subjective ranking.
        But obviously, based only on facts and not my personal opinion AT ALL, Tony Vlachos is the best winner.

    • purplerockandy

      We are philosophically opposed to ranking winners.

      But we did run this tournament: http://www.purplerockpodcast.com/category/ultimate-survivor-bracket/

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Wait, how did y’all seed for the tournament? Isn’t that inherently a ranking?

        • purplerockandy

          Chronologically.

      • the sky is falling

        Yeah, I had a feeling you had said that at one point. Tournament was great.

    • DrVanNostrand

      1. Bob
      2. Boston Bob
      3. Michele
      4. Fabio
      5. Amber
      6. Chris
      7. Jenna
      8. ADAM!!!!!
      9-34: A bunch of losers that got lucky