Survivor Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers Episode 4 Liveblog: “I Don’t Like Having Snakes Around”

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Matt has an irrational dislike for all contestants named Michel(l)e. Also if he ever takes a strong stance about why everyone else is wrong, it is he that is inevitably wrong.

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  • the sky is falling

    I read that this episode has Easter eggs, I hope Matt will point them out.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Foo Fighters references right? I might be able to catch them

      • the sky is falling

        Is Dave Grohl a fan or something? Seems like a strange callout

        • Blurry Denzel

          Just wait until the Rizzoli & Isles call out next week.

        • sharculese

          I think someone on the Dream Team is just a big grunge fan and sneaks those references in. The giant tower they used for the final challenge of SJDS and Worlds Apart was called the Temple of the Dog.

        • Hornacek

          Apparently Grohl and Probst are BFFs. At least Grohl didn’t suggest a super-idol.

          • the sky is falling

            THat’s good news, Dave Grohl would be great on Survivor: Celebrity Island

  • Hornacek
    • the sky is falling

      I don’t trust your cat, looks sneaky. she must have an idol.

    • Diego Armando

      Henry the Kitten ran over, looked at the screen for 3 seconds and then ran away.

    • StormofCuteness

      This image makes me ridiculously happy.

  • Blurry Denzel

    The Knicks aren’t playing tonight but if they were I would gladly give up an hour for Survivor to maintain my sanity.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Have you heard of the podcast, The Decision? It’s a Knicks fan who invites a fan of every other team onto his podcast to pitch him on being a fan of someone else

      • Blurry Denzel

        I have not but that sounds good. I’ll check it out.

        • Purplerockmatt

          i just finished it today, it’s fun

  • Blurry Denzel

    I worry about Desi. The Healers could be looked at as the power crew and could be split up to where they don’t have the numbers. Just let Desi be safe, Survivor Gods.

  • When the first sentence of an episode is designed to piss off Andy you know you got a special episode coming up.

    • purplerockandy

      I’ve come to accept that Chrissy is a strategic mastermind.

      A strategic mastermind who straight up believed Ryan’s line about having a good vibe from her on the boat.

      • Alycia Swift

        And whens he said – maybe I remind him of his mom or he wants to play with his mom, I yelled out (and I was by myself), “no, you threw up.” Plus, she was one of two older females and smaller than others.

        • Hornacek

          The other tribes had already left before Chrissy threw up (confirmed by Katrina in her exit interview).

        • indescribable hat

          According to Wigler, who was there, Ryan and Devon had picked Chrissy before the challenge because they wanted to work with her and their tribe had left before she threw up and did not see it. It was a good vibe! Vive Chrissy!

          • Hornacek

            Actuaries are known for their vibes.

  • I’m having a hard time feeling strongly about this, but I’m not big on the three tribe to three tribe swap. I’m kind of ready to see how this cast plays in slightly larger groups, especially given how boring the early boots have been.

    • the sky is falling

      I like it, harder to gang up on folks maybe, need two different teams to ally

    • jniedj

      I was personally hoping for 5 tribes of 3 people.

      • Hornacek

        7 tribes of 2 people and 1 on Exile Island.

  • Hornacek

    Have we had *any* episodes start with post-tribal scenes that night?

    Maybe we have – for some reason I can’t remember these memorable players.

    • First one where we Alan surprisingly smug when he said JP and Ashley were a power couple.

      • Hornacek

        Oh right.

  • sharculese

    Jeff: Roark – you’re the odd one out on this tribe.

    Me: Who the fuck is Rick?

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      You seriously don’t know who Cowboy Rick is? He’s been on every season since South Pacific.

  • Hornacek

    Some unknown player is crying and saying bye to her fellow Healers.

  • Blurry Denzel

    I think Devon and Roark could be in great spots as swing votes.

    • the sky is falling

      Exactly wat I was thinking , tricky for two different tribes to solidify against them

    • Diego Armando

      I think there is a good chance Roark is screwed. I imagine Chrissy will want to keep Ryan and believes she can manipulate JP. Ryan will want to keep Ali. No spot for Roark left.

      • Blurry Denzel

        I did write the comment before the Ryan/Chrissy conversation. I think Roark can still maneuver.

        • Diego Armando

          Her best shot is getting rid of Ali. I would suggest JP but he is the only person capable of lifting something on their tribe and she needs to survive 2 vote outs. The fact that the Healers are all still around is not good for her either.

  • Hornacek

    Ashley and Alan stay together. Thank you Survivor gods!

  • sharculese

    If we’re going to keep getting PBJ as a prize can we please just once have Jeff yank off the burlap and yell “IT’S PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME?”

    • sharculese

      Oh, goddammit I made the same joke as John? Welp, gonna go commit seppuku.

      • the sky is falling

        Yep, I thought of it too and way less clever than you…

  • Hornacek

    While Ben was tossing that ring, you know that Lauren was thinking “20 years of softball, we’d be done this challenge by now if i was throwing. “

    • the sky is falling

      Calling it now, “I’m scared” confessional is total winner edit. Like able white guy with rural charm, it’s a lock

    • DrVanNostrand

      I’ve been going to carnivals since I was 6 years old. I could’ve nailed that fork thingy in the forehead from 100 feet away!!

      • Hornacek

        At least you didn’t say it was because of your years of bellhop experience.

  • Other Scott

    Did Jeff just call peanut butter and jelly sandwiches the biggest reward of the season?

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      The show spent almost twenty dollars out of the reward budget for those sandwiches!

    • Purple Rock Emma

      so far

      • purplerockandy

        Yeah, man. Fuck those chickens.

        Please don’t fuck those chickens.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Don’t they always say you don’t even get much meat from the chickens? That was a lot of bread and peanut butter and jelly. That’s a soured of protein and carbs that’ll last a while.

          • purplerockandy

            I hope they don’t say that. It’s, like, a whole chicken. If you can’t get much meat from that, you’re pretty shitty at preparing a chicken.

            Also: the eggs were the better reward.

          • indescribable hat

            If you keep them in a tiny cage all miserable and hungry for a long time before you eat them I imagine you get less meat. The Tai strategy is really the way to go as far as chicken care, you just have to be less sentimental about them.

          • purplerockandy

            Or… kill them early.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Now you’re truly in line with Actuary Chrissy’s thinking.

            (that was her whole point in another Ep.3 bonus confessional)

          • indescribable hat

            That works too, but they keep better than fruit or a loaf of bread or whatever if you let them eat bugs and stuff. There could even be eggs if you are OK at taking care of chickens.

  • Hornacek

    Watch your fingers when puzzle master Dr. Mike is working.

    • Blurry Denzel

      Jessica looked like she was going murder him. I like her.

    • the sky is falling

      Fingers aren’t what you need to watch

  • Hornacek

    Oh man, actual tribe names?!?

  • Streets_Ahead

    Oh another random power/twist. Not sure how I feel about this.

  • Hornacek

    Brilliant job hiding the secret advantage, Producers.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      That was just awful! I saw that immediately and I am nowhere near that smart. How in the hell was nobody watching the bags? I would have saved mine and just watched the others reactions as they opened theirs.

  • the sky is falling

    The advantage onlY valid for one vote twist is brilliant

  • Bad Survivor, enough with the dumb advantages that only last an episode.

    • the sky is falling

      I like it, quick payoff

      • It takes control of the narrative of the episode for something that does not matter past the first episode.

        • the sky is falling

          But can have lasting repercussions as we just saw w ryan

    • Hornacek

      So far neither of these advantages had any effect on their votes.

      (the first-tribal idol may have an effect later if used as a fake idol, we’ll have to wait and see)

      • StormofCuteness

        Umm, Joe or Desi might have gone home w/o Devon being blocked. Though yes, they probably still would vote for Joe, and Joe would play his idol for himself.

        • Hornacek

          Yeah, I’m assuming that Joe went into that tribal planning on playing the idol on himself, and nothing that happened (including Devon’s advantage reveal) changed his mind. And I don’t think Ashley and Alan changed their target based on Devon’s advantage reveal.

  • sharculese

    Guys, remind me to never let Jessica tell me a story about how her day went for any reason ever.

  • Other Scott

    I’m waiting for the Cole-Jessica blow up to happen and I’m so ready for it

  • Hornacek

    Cole, what are you doing??? He just can’t help himself from telling someone else’s secret.

    • Chris D

      I NEED LAUREN TO TELL JESSICA

    • sharculese

      Cole is looking more and more like Jon Hamm’s character from 30 Rock, where he’s too dumb to understand that people just let him do things because he’s so handsome.

  • Hornacek

    “It was odd for Cole to tell us this”

    Yes it was!!!

  • PurpleTally

    I don’t want to have to admit that Ryan made a good move. But, yeah, that was some solid social game play.

    • Diego Armando

      He is not terrible at this. He still has a creepy ass smile though.

      • Blurry Denzel

        Resting Villain Face

        • sharculese

          It’s more like resting high-level henchman who gets knocked into the piranha tank face.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Or gets eaten by ill-tempered, mutated, sea bass.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Lotta hate for the bellhop around here.

          • StormofCuteness

            He kept hopping when they were untying the rope, and I kept repeating “Look at the hopper. Get it, he’s a bellhop” at my fiance. 😂

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I mean, it’s not a bad move, but it would also be actively stupid not to connect with Chrissy. That’s like, the entire benefit of giving someone the idol.

      • prettyboyprobst

        And he did it in such an awkward manner. She took it seemingly really well, but why not take a more happy approach like “So…, tell me everything about your first tribal council with the heroes…” *grin* “… must have been scary for everyone to go to tribal so early…” *grin*
        She’d know just as quickly what he is talking about and the whole conversation would have had a lighthearted touch, instead of this weirdly solemn tone.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Or even just be straight forward. “Hey, did you like the idol I sent you?”

    • Hornacek

      I really liked Chrissy’s growing smile as Ryan was telling her about his advantage.

      • indescribable hat

        Chrissy kind of has a resting grin. She was smiling when she threw up! She was smiling when they lost the reward!

        • Hornacek

          She’s such a little trooper!

  • sharculese

    Ryan’s turtleneck is starting to look like it had a bris.

    • gouis

      This is an under appreciated joke

  • the sky is falling

    Seriously, did Joe intern with Tony or what?

  • Cole is Bad At Survivor.

  • the sky is falling

    random aside, Michael jacksons Haloween? Someone needs to be fired for green lighting that.

  • PurpleTally

    I actually don’t hate these limited use advantages. I’m hoping we’re not going to be seeing them every other episode, but they do add some interesting cross-tribe gameplay pre-merge AND won’t lead to Advantagegeddon like GCs. It’s already clearly working as they intended with how Chrissy and Ryan were able to connect.

    • I just wish they waited an episode.

      • the sky is falling

        I’m from the school of chaos rules, so fine w it

        • And I from the camp that you need a status quo before you change it.

          • the sky is falling

            Burn the status quo!

      • PurpleTally

        I think it makes sense after a tribe swap.

        • the sky is falling

          Me too, could potentially save someone from being immediately targeted after a bad swap

      • purplerockandy

        Think of it as a possible saviour for those screwed by the swap.

    • daft

      I can see the producers point of helping to insert some randomness to the opening salvos where there’s little loyalty built up between participants, so it usually ends up the case of the social ‘odd one out’ goes first, or the ‘crazy one’. I think the saving someone else is more interesting than the stymieing of someone else’s vote, which seems generally mean spirited. I personally wouldn’t want to go out that way as its rob you of the greater part of your agency. I think ultimately IMHO, it’s rather unsporting (both ways), you can’t really promote the idea of high strategy being the order of the day later in the series and tinker this way with the format at the start, it feels contrived and desperate.

    • Yeah I was thinking the same thing about advantages as well. If they are going to insist on littering the game with advantages then this is the way to do it. The one-time use thing prevents Advantagegeddon and the pass-it-on thing introduces a cool new social dynamic.

      I wonder if this is the ultimate end for how they envisioned the Legacy Advantage. I’m sure they had it in their head that the thing would get chained from person voted out to person voted out to eventual user as good TV, but it never worked out that way. Now you’ve got a built in pass-it-on feature that is way better than anything they could have gotten out of the the Legacy Advantage.

      Also the timing of these has been perfect. Week one and swap week are where somebody’s game play is most likely to get “unfairly” cut short before they’ve had a chance to get their footing so these were good times to deploy them. Under that logic I expect to see another one of these at the merge as well.

      If this is the future of Survivor advantages then I’m on board.

  • Hornacek

    “It serves me no benefit to tell her.”

    Should’ve thought of that before you told her, Cole.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Jessica was priceless there. Instinctively, you could tell that she believed Mike was sincere. She just kept on staring at Cole and saying, “It had to be someone”, until he admitted that he told Ben. But only Ben. Because Cole is a child that just got caught in a lie by his parents.

      • Hornacek

        I loved the pregnant pause after he told her repeatedly that he didn’t tell Lauren … and then he said that he told Ben. Classic Cole.

  • Hornacek

    Jeff takes back the idols … hey he said Roark’s name!

  • Blurry Denzel

    These Foo Fighter references are super awkward.

    • sharculese

      If awkward is synonym for hilarious, then yes.

      • Blurry Denzel

        It is in this case.

        • the sky is falling

          Someone spell them out?

          • sharculese

            I caught “Monkey Wrench,” “In These Times” and “Everlong,” but I’m not a huge Foo Fighters fan so I’m sure I missed some.

          • Purplerockmatt

            pretty sure The Colour and the Shape got mentioned on the puzzle there

          • sharculese

            I felt that went without saying since it was the challenge name, but yeah, he did say it out loud, too.

          • I just now started watching live. I will go back and rewatch for all y’all.

          • the sky is falling

            Forgot to look for them

          • Blurry Denzel

            I also heard “Long Road to Ruin”

          • sharculese

            Yes. I forgot that one.

            Edit: Did I miss it, or did he leave out the extremely obvious choice of “The Best of You?”

    • Hornacek

      Did he say “Theme to ‘Ed'”? I may have missed it.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        I liked Ed.

        • Hornacek

          Ten bucks if you ask that guy for “lettoose” instead of “lettuce”.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I loved that show, but I hear it’s stuck in music-rights-clearing hell. I was just floored when they ended the finale with “My Little Corner of the World”, which I used at my own wedding several years earlier.

          • Hornacek

            My dream is to have someone on Survivor whose occupation chyron is BOWLING ALLEY LAWYER.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Yep, that seems to be the issue with DVDs and streaming, which is a shame.

  • Challenge beast Dr. Mike is really making it hard… for the other tribes to compete.

  • Challenge beast Dr. Mike is really making it hard… for the other tribes to compete

    • Honestly, he is probably one of the best puzzles guys that Survivor has ever had.

  • the sky is falling

    Let’s go Joe! Big movez time baby!

  • Streets_Ahead

    Alan is not very good at this.

  • Blurry Denzel

    I’m glad Alan and Joe are on the same tribe.

    • sharculese

      This is the dick-measuringest dick measuring contest since Colton voted out Matt Quinlan.

      • Diego Armando

        Fuck that season for having someone on it who could make me think “I hope Colton’s side wins”.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          To be fair, I think that was before we realized Colton was evil.

          • Hornacek

            Probst turns Colton around, reveals the switch on his back. “Here’s your problem – someone set this guy to ‘EVIL’.”

          • Diego Armando

            There were warning signs. And when Alpha Douchebag spoke at the reunion, my thought was “You really are horrible”.

      • Hornacek

        Downvoted for not working Dr. Mike into that analogy.

  • the sky is falling

    Hold up, so no one knows he has the idol, right?

  • Hornacek

    Joe and alan was the one post-swap new combination, and they didn’t disappoint. Well, Alan could’ve been crazier. But still.

  • I’m convinced that Joe is one of the Tony family clones that he left in Fiji, thereby proving that cloning technology is absolutely not ready for widespread use.

    • the sky is falling

      Tony is playing the long con

    • gouis

      I lost my featured comment spot to this, but it’s so good I don’t even mind.

    • Hornacek

      Everyone knows that Brazil has had cloning technology since the 70s when they were turning the boys from Brazil into little Hitlers. I saw it in a movie whose name I can’t remember.

      • indescribable hat

        Was it The Bus that Couldn’t Slow Down?

        • Hornacek

          It was a double feature.

  • sharculese

    OH SHIT COLE JESSICA’S GOT WANDERING EYES

  • Hornacek

    Will Devon use the advantage on the player they’re planning to vote out? If he uses it on Lil’ Tony -er- Joe, will Joe play the idol on himself or Desi?

    • the sky is falling

      Don’t see why he wouldn’t play on himself

  • Other Scott

    Now it’s time to see how smart Devon is. If he’s smart, you use the steal on one, vote for the other person other than who you were planning, and you’ve got a split guaranteed to work.

    • the sky is falling

      Confusing advantage

      • Other Scott

        Never mind

    • Hornacek

      I too was confused by how the advantage could be used after “given” to another tribe.

  • Streets_Ahead

    So now that I think about it this was a ploy to try and get a tie vote basically.

  • the sky is falling

    Hell yeah! Tony is back!

  • Hornacek

    Poor Desi. First Joe threw her game under the bus, and now she’s Joe’s wife.

    • Diego Armando

      What movie did Probst just watch?

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        He has the volleyball scene from Top Gun on a continual loop.

        • Hornacek

          Next week’s reward challenge is in … The Danger Zone!

        • forever1267

          He still wants to be Playing With the Boys!

          • Hornacek

            Jessica may be wary of her relationship with Cole now, but when he looks at her, he can still see the Heaven In (her) Eyes.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      He has defeated the Hero and claimed his Survivor wife! Long live Joe, son of Tony, Grandson of Russell!

      Now let’s just hope the good genes skip every other generation.

  • sharculese

    “I tricked Alan into revealing he was close the person he already had a relationship.”

    Yeah, Joe is tony in the same way Vinn Diesel is Brando.

  • PurpleTally

    This actually works well for Devon, as he can continue to play both sides, because no one knows who he would have voted for.

    • StormofCuteness

      Except for the hug thing.

      • Hornacek

        Note to all future players: never hug anyone during the game.

        • forever1267

          Does NO ONE Remember their Seinfeld???

          • Hornacek

            Jerry would have never let Jessica kiss him (hello) on the cheek.

  • the sky is falling

    Devon is much dumber than Woo or even Taylor

    • Other Scott

      What makes you say that?

      • the sky is falling

        He just seems clueless, surfer dude on overdrive

        • Other Scott

          I’ve learned there’s not necessarily a perfect correlation between sounding like you have a low IQ and actually being stupid. I’m waiting to see whether Devon actually does something indicating low intelligence before I pass judgement. I mean he correctly picked out Joe was lying to him and played that correctly. It’s not like brilliant play, but for a lot of players paranoia would get the better of them in that spot.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Yeah, I feel like Devon has a lot of situational awareness and is not overplaying his hand. I think he’s been playing very shrewdly so far.

          • BadPlayer91

            agreed. Thus far i’ve gotten nothing from him to believe he’s unintelligent or not playing well. And while he hasn’t blown me away, he’s played well in these early stages.

          • Maritimer

            Yup. Devon may actually be my new favourite of the jock guys. He seems to have a decent handle on what’s going on, despite his surfer persona. Basically a less charismatic Jay is what I’m seeing right now

          • Max_Jets

            Devon might be my new favorite of the season, in this sad post-Alan world.

    • gouis

      Devon is easily in the top half of intelligence for men this season.

    • DrVanNostrand

      He’s at least as sharper than Taylor. What has Devon done that’s even particularly dumb? He correctly decided that Ashley was honest and Joe was lying. He correctly noted that he did not, in fact, receive an advantage. I haven’t seen him be particularly clever, but I also haven’t seen him do anything particularly stupid.

    • Roswulf

      Devon has done nothing dumb, IMHO.

      Are you sure you don’t mean Cole? Because Cole is a big doofus.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Sometimes people just like to surf, man.

      • Hornacek

        I really wish we had a player named Charlie this season so I could post a “Charlie don’t surf” GIF.

    • Hornacek

      Devon is a lot more than his surfer persona suggests. When the tribes were divided in the first episode and the Hustlers were given the red buffs, Devon said “Oh man, we got the red buffs, that’s what the Villains got.” (from HvV). He is definitely a superfan of the show.

  • sharculese

    “You can’t penetrate the heroes when there are literally no cracks.”

    Hi, I’m Joe and I did absolutely no detective work on my new tribe.

    • Especially since Ashley is now screwed.

      • Other Scott

        What, you don’t believe Devon will go to premerge rocks for her?

    • DrVanNostrand

      Also, are we not doing phrasing any more?

    • Tony would have detectored that shit.

      • Hornacek

        Tony would also have known that a map would not have a movable object on it as a marker.

  • Blurry Denzel

    Desi is safe and the Yanks are one game away from the World Series. There is a God…and a devil.

    • Diego Armando

      They still have Verlander.

      • Blurry Denzel

        Oh I want the Yanks to win, I’m just aware of their status among baseball fans. Also, I’m happy Verlander isn’t starting both games.

        • Diego Armando

          The Stro’s need this more. If it is Yankees Dodgers, I will probably root Dodgers since they have gotten close for a while.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            If the Astros aren’t in it I’m rooting Dodgers. I HATE the Dodgers.

          • Blurry Denzel

            As you should, the Dodgers are super hateable.

          • Diego Armando

            For me it eis a “Eh, go whoever” thing.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Not as hateable as the alternatives.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            The Yankees are the only way to save the universe that was knocked into chaos after the Cubs won the World Series.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I don’t want to live in the “Yankees win!” universe! I’d rather live in this hellhole of a “Cubs win!” universe!

            But boy-howdy, do Cubs fans ever suck!

          • StormofCuteness

            Grrrrrrrrrrr

          • Diego Armando

            Let us all take our time to remember the thing that truly matters: The Twins lost.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            They sure are!

  • Other Scott

    This season has gotten better with every episode so far.

    • BadPlayer91

      agreed. In terms of shear enjoyment, this was my favorite episode thus far.

      • the sky is falling

        I’ve enjoyed every episode much more this season than the last

        • BadPlayer91

          Eh, i was on that Sandra hype train in the beginning, but after her boot, it was just a long descent to sadness…

    • I’ll give you that, in that the premiere was really bad, the next two episodes were very slightly better, and tonight’s was actually pretty good.

  • Hornacek

    “That is not an advantage.”

    Understatement of the episode.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Nothing gets by Devon! Sharp as a tack!

      • Hornacek

        Well, he found something labelled “Secret Advantage” in his bag. I would think that it was something beneficial to me if that happened to me.

    • Blurry Denzel

      He sounded like whiny Ross Geller when he said that.

    • Dubious Rob

      It reminds me of Parvati’s reaction when they opened up the bottle in Cook Islands: “That’s not fun.”

  • Streets_Ahead

    HAHA! Another wiggling in the sand challenge. Now that I can get behind.

  • gouis

    This Cole/Jessica braintrust is like the Bizarro version of Romber. Good god.

    • Alkanarra

      Yeah, but I can get behind this showmance. She wears her heart on her sleeve and he’s dumb as bricks. It’s a pretty awesome combination.

      I just hope the arc of the season is that Cole keeps pissing Jessica off by being an idiot, they stumble backwards into the finals, and then ultimately end up fucking hate each other from the various miscues. Watching their faux relationship fall apart would be pretty amusing.

      • Purplerockmatt

        i read this first as “end up fucking each other” and was like yup that is definitely the end of a series of betrayals

        • sharculese

          Jesus fuck am I gonna be on your coattails all fucking night?

          • Purplerockmatt

            YOU CAN’T KEEP UP WITH ME

        • Alkanarra

          I really wanna edit it and make you both look stupid. It’d take the heat off my typo.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          I read it as “hate fucking each other” and thought, wow that’s a big shift in ideals for Jessica.

          • purplerockandy

            Same. Of course same.

      • sharculese

        misread that as hatefucking, gonna keep misreading it

        • Purplerockmatt

          damn we typing cat all over each other

        • Purple Rock Emma

          If I had just read a little longer…

      • gouis

        I think we’re being set up for her cutting him as her BIG MOVEZZZ and she might win. No other idea why they’re investing so much time in it

        • Other Scott

          Because it’s really entertaining?

          • Purplerockmatt

            Yeah i’m enjoying it

        • Because it’s a showmance

          Wait, this is Survivor, not Big Brother

        • Diego Armando

          She should consider doing it soon, before he blows up their spot further.

      • Maritimer

        Its much more interesting than the traditional “hey we’re a couple now” showmance. I’m hoping for some fun fights like Jonclyn had

    • DrVanNostrand

      It’s funny to say that, but I actually thought Amber in All Stars was much more useful than Cole. Jessica is going to have to start coaching Cole like he’s a small child… or Keith Nale.

      • This explains a lot about my attraction to him.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          You actually find Keith attractive?

          • No, but it explains why I am definitely drawn to Cole besides the great 8-pack.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Makes more sense.

      • gouis

        That’s what I’m saying?

        • DrVanNostrand

          OK. I thought you were just implying the genders were flipped. If you’re saying it’s bizarro in a bunch of ways, I’m down with that.

          • gouis

            Yeah just mostly how bad/dumb they are. And sure the woman is smarter here but it’s still brutal.

          • Other Scott

            Still smarter than Figtails!

          • Hornacek

            Figtails, woo-oooh!

      • the sky is falling

        Keith was better than Cole because he had zero interest in what was happening around him

        • Diego Armando

          Keith at least had the excuse of making no bones about his lack of strategic skills.

          • Keith at least knew not to say something if you specifically told him not to say it. And were very clear about what he WAS allowed to say. And gave him a script. And then read it to him.

        • Hornacek

          As long as you keep burping, you’ll be all right.

    • Dubious Rob

      Cole wants so badly to be a power player, but he just doesn’t have a strategic brain. Watching him play Survivor makes me wince.

      He would have been a great fit for San Juan del Sur.

      • Hornacek

        Cole and Jon Misch would be BFFs.

        • Other Scott

          Downvote

          • Hornacek

            Who are you, Whovian?

        • Diego Armando

          Jon actually had some success.

          • Hornacek

            At being a sommelier? Definitely.

          • Other Scott

            Only person to ever successfully organize a move to vote out Jeremy Collins!

  • BadPlayer91

    I’ll say this much: I’m gonna miss those crazy eyes. Even a calm, rational statement seems so much more fun with huge, extreme irises!

  • Hornacek

    “I read your face.”

    What is more likely? Joe is able to read people, or he flipped a coin in his head and it came up “Joe”?

    • Purplerockmatt

      he flipped a coin, both sides said Joe

      • BadPlayer91

        During the break I ran through options for Desi in dealing with Joe, and none of them had him playing the idol for anyone but himself. Because from 3 episodes we could tell that Joe was not about to do that. I actually thought he did a good job of pretending he might earlier on.

      • the sky is falling

        everything is coming up Joe

      • Roswulf

        Which is fine. I mean, because of rock mechanics he should have protected Desi (for the brownie points), but I don’t fault him for not realizing that.

        But the grandstanding was just obnoxious.

        • Dubious Rob

          That’s why he won’t win, even if he somehow gets to the end. Openly bragging about how well you read people and rubbing your victory in people’s faces is taking a page out of Russell’s playbook, and we all know how that ends.

          • purplerockandy

            Tony did a lot of that too tho.

          • sharculese

            I kind of want to go back and track when and to whom he did that, though, because the most prominent example I can think of is when he mocked Spencer for playing his idol incorrectly, and he had to know by that point that if he got to the end Spencer was absolutely voting for him.

            I really need to rewatch Cagayan now that I know what I’m watching, anyway, so I may do this in the off-season.

      • Hornacek

        On the KIAs they said that once Devon lost his vote, it didn’t matter who Joe played the idol for – he won either way. Either they got the results that actually happened, or Joe uses his idol on Desi, there’s a 2-2 tie for Joe/Alan and they have to go to rocks, and the only people that can draw rocks are Ashley and Devon. Is this right?

        • I think probably, yes. I don’t think that was a consequence the producers intended, but it was one they probably should have considered before deciding to deploy this *on tribes of five people*.

          • Hornacek

            Yeah, when going through all the possible outcomes of this advantage in a tribe of 5 people, a 2-2 tie should be at the top of that list.

        • jniedj

          I believe you’re almost correct, but they would have done a revote before rocks if I understand Jeff’s premiere night comment of “ties are back in play” correctly.

          • Hornacek

            On the revote if the original votes were for Joe and Alan, only Ashley and Ali would have voted. If either of them was going to change their vote at that point, I’d put my money on Ali, who seemed eager to vote out Joe last episode. Ashley and Alan seemed to have mended fences this episode to work together against the Healers.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          I think that makes sense. But then in hindsight, the better move for Joe would have been to play the idol for Desi. Yes, they’d both be safe either way, but him playing the idol for Desi engenders that much more trust. Joe kinda revealed himself to be a selfish asshole.

          • Hornacek

            Yeah, there was no way Joe was playing his idol for anyone but Joe.

        • indescribable hat

          This way they got to take out their target though. Not that taking out Alan looks like the right choice to me, but they have more control if he makes the guess with the idol.

      • Other Scott

        I think no matter who it is, if it’s a coin flip you always pick the person who you don’t think has an idol. It’s just too risky for the idol holder to play it on someone else and end up getting voted out. It’s the Spencer-Jeremiah thing from Cagayan as well

    • sharculese

      Flipped a coin in his head and both sides were Joe, and also he was picturing a note his mom put in his lunchbox one time telling him he was cool.

      • Hornacek

        Typing cat.gif

    • She was making her same face.

      • Hornacek

        I thought it was her “I miss JP” face.

    • Maritimer

      He seemed to be trying to make Alan think that Ashley is the reason he went home because…..??? he thinks Alan’s on the jury?

    • indescribable hat

      Idk she certainly looked easy to read from what we saw.

  • the sky is falling

    Guys, there’s an interesting post show chat on peopletv dot com. Andrea, Zeke, Parvati and others

  • the sky is falling

    Exaggerating the Tony , I mean Joe, move cause I got a shit ton of fantasy points this week.

  • Hornacek

    I guess the idols are hidden in different locations at each beach because I bet Joe dug around the well at his new beach the first chance he got.

    • BadPlayer91

      Nah, he dug around the boat.

      • Hornacek

        While it was in the ocean.

  • Blurry Denzel

    Well my run on the first page of Pick 4 is coming to an end. It will never be mentioned by John but I’m proud of my accomplishment, because I have low expectations.

    • Alkanarra

      My all minorities team ain’t doing so well and I can’t even blame racism. He might have only survived one tribal council, but Allen still hung around way longer than he should have.

      • daft

        I feel sorry for Desi, she really got marooned with the wrong people, you would think Alan might be her best potential ally, it’s best to stick together when the majority white middle-class twenty-something self obsessed group start playing the less than gallant ‘spot the odd one out’ game, whether consciously or unconsciously, But, Alan is not the individual you would want to build a game around.

    • sharculese

      Well… since the mothership is dead…

      The Purple Rock

      I’m proud of my accomplishment, because I have low expectations.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I thought it was going to be Ashley, which would have crushed my Pick 4 team. The only thing I have going for me is that my team is intact.

  • This is the week that “My Hero” is the outro music, right?

    • Blurry Denzel

      Hopefully not

      • No, it has to be. It’s just too perfect. It will make you think of Varsity Blues/Not Another Teen Movie

        • Blurry Denzel

          As much as I like both those movies, that would be such a lazy and uncreative way to go if they play that song. So yeah, they will play it.

          • It’s like you know us.

        • Mike Hirsch

          Hook and Ladder!

    • sharculese

      That’s taking the bit too far into Dom & Colin territory.

      • You know that My Hero was already on the HvHvH list just like Sexual Healing.

        • sharculese

          There’s a difference between riffing on the theme and being painfully on the nose for the specific episode.

        • Disappointed we didn’t get to use the one I’m waiting for yet.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            The Hustle?

    • No, they’ve abandoned those tribe names. So we’re going to use a song with… Blue tribe? Tavula or something?

      • gouis

        There goes my Tavula, watch him as he goes.

      • Mike Hirsch

        I think the blue tribe is called Teavana?

        • I think one tribe is called SoCo, so I guess they went with drink-themed tribe names.

          • Mike Hirsch

            That tribe did sound like a trendy, posh place to hang out and get some rice cakes.

          • gouis

            Is that a thing now? I thought that was just the early 90s

          • Purple Rock Emma

            So either play Brand New or Something Corporate, she says to someone who won’t understand.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Does that mean that they will be gone by the merge?

          • Mike Hirsch

            R.I.P., Fruita Bomba.

        • StormofCuteness

          Isn’t that the actual name of a tea company? 😂

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            It was.

      • Purplerockmatt

        I think red tribe was Yalu which again is really confusing

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          Yes, I briefly tried to use “sounds like yellow but isn’t” as a mnemonic until I realized how dumb that was.

      • DrVanNostrand

        One of the tribes is really close to Yahweh, which reminded me of last week’s Adventure Zone assignment.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          No spoilers! I’m only on episode 6!

          • DrVanNostrand

            That was like episode 2! (Don’t tell anyone, but I didn’t even re-listen to #3 yet) By the way, did Taako ever come up with this week’s assignment? Is it 4-5 or 4-6?

          • sharculese

            I think we agreed we’re gonna do 3 a week for now. I finished HTBG today, at least.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I’ll catch up. I’m just a procrastinator. I didn’t even start my re-listen until Monday night.

      • Maritimer

        I’m pretty sure they’re still called Heroes, Beauty, and No Collar. I just don’t know which ones is which anymore (other than whatever one has Cole is obviously Beauty)

      • TheForRealDeal

        Spider, he is our hero.

        • sharculese

          I don’t know what this is so I’m going to assume it’s about Spider Jerusalem.

          • TheForRealDeal

    • Hornacek

      If I wasn’t already sure it would be a Tragically Hip song, it’d have to be Hero by Enrique Iglesias in memory of Alan.

      • Like I said, this idea immediately goes out the window. I had heard that Gord Downie had died, but it immediately slipped my mind because a) I have never heard a TH song and b) my favorite band was referenced on Survivor a lot.

        • Hornacek

          If it was any other week I’d expect a Foo Fighters song to be used. I wasn’t sure how much Americans (or just non-Canadians) would know about the Tragically Hip. I remember in the 90s (?) when they were already successful in Canada and they tried to crack the American market, but they were never able to match their Canadian success. But it was on CNN’s main page yesterday so I felt safe in mentioning it.

          • I saw it on Facebook. I am pretty sure I had heard of them before Gord’s cancer diagnosis through Degrassi or something else.

  • By The Numbers

    I just want 2 tribes already

  • Mike Hirsch

    This episode was entertaining, sure, but I can’t help but feel it would have been more entertaining had Joe stumbled on his way up to Jeff and dropped his idol into the fire, and then on the revote Desi was like, “sure, Joe.” So, looking back on this one, I’ll file it under: missed opportunity.

    • Hornacek

      I’d love it if throughout this season Joe turned into Inspector Clouseau.

  • Other Scott

    It’s funny that we’re comparing Joe to Tony where I think there’s a better comparison with Russell Hantz.

    • You do remember who Tony was compared to, right?

      • Purplerockmatt

        Yeah. Yul

      • sharculese

        Tony wasn’t creepy in the way Russell was. Joe is.

        • Oh, I agree completely. I remember defending Tony at the time because those comparisons didn’t fit.

          • Tony was definitely interested in the players on his season, not just the attractive young females.

          • gouis
          • I didn’t want to say girls.

          • Other Scott

            Women isn’t an option?

          • Unfortunately for me, I forgot that it was an option. Sleep/headache is not good.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Her preferred term is “sisters of the bubbling cauldron”.

          • Come on in, the water is fine (aka boiling).

          • gouis

            At least girls is the correct use of grammar.

          • Yeah…look I’m stupid and made a stupid mistake. I hope to do better next time. Always use the Quark gif for me when I say “females”, okay?

          • gouis

            🙁

          • I don’t get it.

          • gouis

            you made me feel bad so i frowned

          • No, please. I feel bad. You’re right. It’s just going to take me a while not to say females.

          • gouis

            The Purple Rock Podcast: We all feel bad.

          • StormofCuteness

            Psst, what is the deal with saying “females”? I am so confused.

          • (Prefacing this with an apology in case it’s a joke…)

            The way I always try to explain it is that the ‘female’ is an adjective, not a noun. The correct term for a female human is a woman. If you just call someone ‘a female’ (a female what? a female cat? a female magikarp?) it’s kind of dehumanising. I am female, but I am not *a* female.

            Then I say “Would you call someone ‘a black?’. It’s like that.”

            It’s a bit more complex than that, but generally that’s enough to get the point across.

          • StormofCuteness

            You changed this reply, but I read the other one. I had never heard that before, and it hadn’t occurred to me at all. Glad it’s on my radar, but I know I’m likely to continue to sometimes make that mistake.

          • Sorry, I wasn’t sure if you were being sarcastic or not and didn’t want to patronise. I recently joined my local Pokemon Go discord group so am currently doing the ‘why you do not get to refer to me as a female’ speech about once a week.

          • jniedj

            I didn’t see that initial reply and I’m still not sure what the issue is.

          • StormofCuteness

            I’m no expert, but female is an adjective not a noun was the main take away.

          • indescribable hat

            To me it always sounds like the way people talk about animals they’re observing.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Oh shit! I almost forgot his army of ‘dumb blonds’ in his first season. He was really a piece of shit right out of the gate.

          • Diego Armando

            Which is why I hate that season. I never got a second thought he would win, hated that we spent endless amounts of time listening to him tell you how great he was, and realize that the rest of his cast sucked at the game.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I absolutely understand your criticism, but I had a different take in real time. At first, I was just waiting for his comeuppance. Then, I started to panic that the show was spending so much time with him, and that he could possibly win, even though he was a shitty douche. Then, in the last two episodes, I was re-convinced that he was getting his comeuppance, and I absolutely savored FTC and the finale.

          • Diego Armando

            I was convinced Shambo was winning the season, since she was the only non-Russell player to get time. I had no idea how she would win. When she was voted out my thought was “Huh………. maybe it will go Natalie?”

          • Prom King

            It was fun watching him lose though.

          • Diego Armando

            Drinking his tears was nice. Not worth the build up though.

          • Prom King

            I hated it when I first watched it because watching him lose (and a lot of Shambo fun times) was not enough to save the season for me. But it was a lot more fun the second time I watched, knowing how he was ruining his chances at winning, one misdeed at a time.

      • DrVanNostrand

        I never compared Tony to Russell. There is a mean-spiritedness about Russell that I never saw in Tony.

        • I didn’t say you!

          • DrVanNostrand

            It’s more fun if I take every comment personally so I can get indignant. My target is usually Andy though.

          • purplerockandy

            I’m usually talking about you, though.

          • Hornacek

            If John makes a negative comment that you think may be about you, chances are it’s about @SNPalsy:disqus

    • Purplerockmatt

      I have to see a lot more competence at tearing people apart before I give him that

      • Other Scott

        I mean…Tony was a lot more competent overall than Russell was, so I don’t think you can use it to say the Tony comparison is better.

        • gouis

          No he’s saying Joe sucks more than Russell

          • Purplerockmatt

            ding ding ding

          • Other Scott

            I’m saying Russell is a better comparison than Tony! I’m not saying “Joe is as good as Survivor as Russell Hantz” because no we haven’t seen that yet. Russell is slightly above average and so far Joe has not been that.

      • Roswulf

        Yup. The single most dysfunctional relationship in the season so far was Alan and Ashley.

        Joe made them a ride or die pair.

        He ain’t no Russel Hantz.

    • DrVanNostrand

      He’s not that bad, but he’s getting there. I was just going to say this week that he did a really good job executing his plan, but it made me like him even less. So that’s definitely a little Russell-like.

      • BadPlayer91

        Yeah. I said twice that I thought he was doing smart and/or interesting things during the episode, but I don’t like him.

    • Diego Armando

      To be fair, Joe stated the preseason that he was going to imitate Tony. Bad Tony is Russell.

    • Kent McK

      Joe is a less charismatic, less likable, more aware that he is on a TV show version of Tony.

  • Ike1

    Jessica wanted to help the Healers, right? So why the heck did she block Devon’s vote instead of Alan or Ashley’s vote? That just increases the chances of a tie, and there would’ve been one if not for Joe’s idol. WTF?

    • Blurry Denzel

      I was baffled by that move too.

      Edit: Devon can now claim he was with them.

      • BadPlayer91

        Claim, but they saw him hugging Ashley, like if they openly accepted him back in, they dumb.

        • Blurry Denzel

          Shit, I already forgot about that. That hug was the JP of the episode.

    • This will definitely be a point of discussion in the podcast this week. Because that move was inexplicable, even though I wanted it for reasons of tribal chaos.

      • gouis

        PS John not sure if you saw but even though Lauren is still there Reddit is still doing the exact thing you predicted last week https://www.reddit.com/r/survivor/comments/779tmo/hvhvh_art_the_laurenator/

        • This surprises me exactly zero. I haven’t even gone to look at what they’ve been talking about this season. I can just see the threads in my mind instead.

          • gouis

            It was low key my favorite part of the pod. It’s just exactly what they do about everything, just pick something minor and OD on it. RobC does this too with the puns and I just can’t anymore.

          • sharculese

            Rob C is the only motherfucker on the planet who would stage a Match Game tribute and then try to hustle through the panelist banter because he thought the wordplay was the important part.

          • gouis

            Man did you listen to that shit? More power to you, instant delete for me.

          • sharculese

            I got to the first time he scolded the panel to pick up the pace and then dropped it.

          • gouis

            Was it all just wordplay based on Survivor tribe names that only he and Josh remember and think are funny?

          • sharculese

            I only listened to one question, but it appeared to be Survivor themed but not deep pull trivia.

          • gouis

            Maybe you just weren’t Savaii enough to get the jokes.

          • Blurry Denzel

            Boo!!

          • I kinda liked it

          • sharculese

            Are you sure you’re not Rob C?

          • gouis

            SO WHAT IF I WAS

          • sharculese

            Did you ever get to meet Casey Kasem?

          • Hornacek

            Well, they did only have the room rented for a limited amount of time, and wanted to get through two rounds of players, and one final round. He had to keep things moving otherwise they would have been kicked out by management and still in the first round.

          • sharculese

            No I get it. It’s just that’s a way of doing a match game tribute that’s guaranteed to not do any of the things that make match game fun.

          • Hornacek

            I don’t know, I felt that the 6 panelists each had ~30 seconds to explain their answers, which seems plenty. I don’t need them to talk for 2-3 minutes to explain why they came up with “Coming in my apartment!”

          • sharculese

            Then he should have put together a funnier panel.

          • Hornacek

            (shrugs) I laughed.

          • purplerockandy

            I just hope you never tire of podcasts who continually pick at one strategic move made in the first episode of the season.

          • gouis

            No never. That’s half the reason I like you guys.

      • BadPlayer91

        Agreed. I wanted to see it, but in the end it actually had no affect. Even if Devon had voted, Joe would have still idoled himself, and Alan would have gone home. So, in terms of actual impact, both ‘willing’ advantages have done nothing. Can’t wait for Andy’s rant!

      • Diego Armando

        Maybe Ben told them about the conflict between Alan attacking Ashley and whatshisface, and she guessed they would fracture? maybe playing it on a Hero would freak the Hero out enough to play an idol on the blocked Hero?

        My best guess is that Cole insisted on giving it to Devon.

      • Max_Jets

        It’s possible that Ben gave her information about the Heroes tribe that made her think Ashley and Alan were not going to work closely together, but I agree that it wasn’t a good look.

        • StormofCuteness

          I feel we actually saw Ben saying exactly that when they were sitting around.

    • DrVanNostrand

      At first I thought the recipient would get to choose the vote to cancel out, and I thought WTF? Then Devon read the note and I thought… WTF?

    • Mike Hirsch

      There is no way Jessica correctly deduced Devon as a swing vote landing on the side of Alan and Ashley, right? Unless Joe let her know that through a series of blinks at the challenge?

      • Other Scott

        My best guess is she figured everyone would be teaming up on Devon? In which case, what good is your vote steal?

        Though a hilarious scenario is everyone teams up on Devon, Devon gets the vote steal, then Devon plays an idol for a zero vote tribal with rocks coming after the next vote ties.

        • Mike Hirsch

          Yeah, from the perspective of “maybe everyone will then just vote out Devon,” it makes a modicum of sense. Clearly, she didn’t bargain for the “full steam ahead” suicide tie run.

          • BadPlayer91

            It seems like she bought in to the Jeff Probst “If separated from your original tribe, you are doomed” thought process, not the better logic that 2 groups of 2 will try to swing the lone person to avoid a 2 vs 2 down the road.

          • StormofCuteness

            But she got it right, she knew Joe had an idol and that if they didn’t have Devon, it would help the healers for his vote to be blocked.

            And that, even if they did have Devon, the healers with the idol could beat the heros.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            But if they did have Devon, Joe wouldn’t need to play the idol.

          • StormofCuteness

            But then Jessica also ensures Joe’s idol gets played.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            But that’s only a good thing when they needed someone on Healers to vote out. Now they’re trying to stick together and need whatever advantages they can get.

          • StormofCuteness

            True, but then again, she may have still wanted Joe to play it.

      • StormofCuteness

        Absolutely she did. She saw he was the odd man out and made a calculated guess that was spot on. Why does no one see how obvious this is?!
        *frustrated on Jessica’s behalf*

        • Mike Hirsch

          The only problem with that scenario is that Devon *could* have sided with the Healers as the swing and Jessica wouldn’t have any way to tell. She throws a Hail Mary at Devon when she could throw a checkdown at Alan or Ashley. That it worked out ok for her former tribe is fine, but the odds weren’t exactly in her favor.

          • StormofCuteness

            Except I suspect she was hoping to get Joe’s idol played, but maybe I’m giving her too much credit?

          • Mike Hirsch

            It’s entirely possible that was her goal, and maybe we’ll get some insight into that next episode.

    • I wonder if she misunderstood it in the way that I misunderstood it.

      When she read it, I thought the person she gave it to would be able to block a vote at tribal council. I figured it was transmission of advantage (a la Ryan–>Chrissy), rather than always her decision.

      • DrVanNostrand

        Still a dumb move. Give it to Desi in that case (because none of them really like or trust Joe).

        • Then maybe it’s because Devon kind of looks like if you put Cole in one of those cloning machines that doesn’t quiiiiite keep all the DNA strands tightly wound enough, but if you’re single and looking for love and Original Cole turns out to be a childlike gossip in need of validation from everyone he meets, Clone Cole will do.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Survivor fans are all masters of projection. But that sir, is a masterpiece, even in a competitive group.

          • Wait, am I single and looking for love, or am I a childlike gossip in need of validation? Because, yes, and yes.

    • Hornacek

      If Jessica wanted to help the Healers, why not block Ashley’s or Alan’s vote? Does she really think the 2 Heroes are going to want to team up with the 2 Healers and vote out Devon? Isn’t it more obvious that in a tribe of 5, each pair is going to try and win over the only swing vote to their side?

  • the sky is falling

    breaking news: zekes fave current players are Dr.Mike and Lauren

    • DrVanNostrand

      Apparently Zeke hates fun.

      • Blurry Denzel

        And all redheads besides Chris.

    • gouis

      God the Lauren people are insufferable. Maybe worse than the Michele truthers.

      • DrVanNostrand

        There are ‘Lauren people’? This makes me happy I don’t follow any Survivor sites other than this one.

        • gouis

          EVERYONE IS. They’re all “I love her low key play style of doing nothing”

          • DrVanNostrand

            And being super boring and kind of a wet blanket?

          • StormofCuteness

            Wait, she actually kicked ass in both challenges tonight so, umm, I don’t see her as boring.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I pay little attention to challenges.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I’m not sure I would describe her as doing nothing when she seems to be picking fights where ever she goes

          • gouis

            She doesn’t really pick fights so much as have a constant background grumble

          • Purplerockmatt

            she very noticeably picked a fight with Patrick last week.

          • Hornacek

            I did like how she correctly figured out that Cole telling her about Jessica’s advantage made no sense, and how she let it slip to Dr. Mike that Cole had told her and Ben, knowing it would create some chaos with the 3 Healers.

          • Maritimer

            Except Dr. Mike did know about the advantage so I’m not convinced it’s actually sown chaos

          • Hornacek

            I was confused about that too, I assumed Dr. Mike didn’t know anything about the advantage, but when he got out to the raft he said that Jessica had told him about it.

            But as far as we know, Lauren and Ben didn’t know that Dr. Mike knew about it. Either way, they figure it would cause chaos to let him know that his alliance-member Cole was telling everyone about their secret.

          • Maritimer

            You can see him in the scene where Jessica tells Cole, he’s kind of off in the side of the shot, but he was part of that conversation.

            I get the strategy of the move and I think it’s the right idea, it just didn’t work out so much here

          • Hornacek

            Was Dr. Mike really a part of that conversation? Did Jessica or Cole say anything to him, or he to them?

            I think he’d be better off with Ben and Lauren.

          • Maritimer

            He was present. He was told about the advantage. I think that implies a certain level of trust (or appearance of trust) that would keep him from flipping.

          • i and 1

            I didn’t think he did. One thing she said was, “I know about it, and you don’t, you know what I’m saying…?” like underlining just out-of-the-loop he was on this key info. (Hope I am remembering that right.)

          • Maritimer

            He knew. She didn’t knew he knew. He’s standing there in the scene where Jessica tells Cole

          • i and 1

            Ah, wow, I thought it was just him and her–but that would explain my confusion later when she said “only two people knew about it…”. I really wish I was able to follow Mike’s game better, I got no idea with him, and apparently I just don’t see him if they aren’t focussed on him and his Joe thing or nerd-dad-troubles or whatever.

          • What I get from Mike’s game is that he’s been cast to be the new Survivor Nerd, but the editors actually have no idea what to do with a Survivor Nerd if he’s not going to either become a strategic mastermind or go down in flames. Be a better stereotype, Mike!

          • indescribable hat

            It got back to Jessica that Cole was telling people! It may not be chaos but it’s not good for those Healers.

          • i and 1

            The show did a good job of showing us that. She seems like such a loner/”misfit” in this cast, but that was probably as solid and smart as any thing anyone has done so far this season, too easy to underestimate.

          • Hornacek

            I think Lauren is probably feeling more comfortable being with Ben. He seems like the person in the game she would have the best relationship with.

          • By which you mean that if Ben heard the word ‘artisanal’ at any point he would look at you blankly?

          • Hornacek

            Not gonna lie, I had to look up “artisanal”. It seemed like an unfortunate portmanteau, like “analrapist”.

      • I think you are on the right track with that line of thought. Everyone (including myself) seems convinced that a woman is the winner of the season, but I don’t think it’s Lauren.

        • Other Scott

          I still think Ben has a very good shot. But yeah, much more likely it’s a woman than a man at this stage.

          • I think Ben is 5th/ 6th place.

          • the sky is falling

            I’d be shocked if he isn’t a late boot

        • Blurry Denzel

          If you had to power rank the women by best chance to win, what would it look like?

          • gouis

            #1 Jessica
            #2 Chrissy
            #3 Ali

            Then everyone else

          • Blurry Denzel

            I would go

            1. Ali
            2. Chrissy
            3. Jessica
            4. Desi*

            *I’m heavily biased with that one.

          • the sky is falling

            Ali first?

          • Blurry Denzel

            For now. The rise of Desi continues though.

          • the sky is falling

            I mean at least she finally got screen time. The edit so far leans Chrissy or Ben

          • Mike Hirsch

            Existing is a good first step.

          • gouis

            Ali I think is the best player, the other two have just gotten more screen time.

          • BadPlayer91

            I’d put Chrissy above Ali, so:

            1. Chrissy
            2. Ali
            3. Jessica
            4. Roark/Desi
            5. Rest

            We have “checked in” with Chrissy SO many times thus far, every episode, including episodes where there was no other narrative but “hey, look, Chrissy” Ali hasn’t quiet got that, from my impression.

          • gouis

            LOL Roark what?

          • BadPlayer91

            ¯_(ツ)_/¯

            Hopeful thinking cause she’s on all my teams. It’s my list, so I can do what I want.

          • StormofCuteness

            Aww, you used it. 💜

          • Kent McK

            What is a Roark?

          • gouis

            Reminds me of The Hound saying “What the fuck’s a Lommy”

          • Maritimer

            Yeah if the Michele truthers end up anywhere it’s with Chrissy I figure, because I’ve noticed that same thing

          • I rather not, because I don’t want to get booted from this site.

          • 1. Ali
            2. Ali
            3. Still Ali
            4. Chrissy
            5. Desi (She finally got to talk! And she seems like a competent player!)

          • gouis

            John “Desi talked once and is thus now is my favorite contestant of all time”

          • She’s fifth, Gouis. Settle down. If she talks next week, she’s #1 with a bullet.

          • purplerockandy

            I think she’s actually third tho?

          • Alkanarra

            The only reason Ali isn’t winning is because it’s obvious to me that Ali is winning and I’m always fucking wrong.

          • Kent McK

            As soon as Desi started talking I thought for sure she was going home tonight.

          • i and 1

            Jesus, Desi stepped into the spotlight in the most unfortunate circumstance, it was looking potentially tragic, but yeah some game smarts shone through the whole way. Being Joe’s ally isn’t the greatest place I don’t think, but I feel she’s got room now to maybe do anything as new surprises inevitably approach.

          • Kent McK

            Chrissy has got this

          • Diego Armando

            1. Ali
            2. Chrissy (although she is thoroughly mediocre)
            3. Jessica

            4. Ashley
            5. Roark
            6. Lauren
            7. Desi

        • Hornacek

          It will be a female winner, but in a twist it will be Glozelle.

      • Kent McK

        There are Lauren people? Her?

        • Blurry Denzel

          Is she funny or something?

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Even my mom said she hopes the tribe swap helps Lauren.

    • BadPlayer91

      Yeah, i was like, what? I mean, i don’t dislike Lauren, but i’m not taking her to a party anytime soon.

      Clearly I’m taking Alan crazy eyes so I can watch him interrogate people!

      • Mike Hirsch

        That’s who Lauren reminds me of: that friend who you don’t want to bring to a party because she’ll tell you she wants to leave twenty minutes after you’ve gotten there.*

        *Which is fine by me at this point in my life. I didn’t want to go to the party in the first place. But 20-something me would have hated that.

        • Is she Barb?

          • Mike Hirsch

            She is totally Barb.

          • purplerockandy

            I wish I was here 4 hours ago to make this comparison. Lauren looks like her favourite drink is milk.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Maybe that will be a reward. Milk is super popular amongst Survivor contestants.

          • Cough Rupert and Will Wahl Cough

          • sharculese

            What’s wrong with milk? It’s your good friend that’s there after you prove that you can so too put a whole habanero in your mouth.

          • Hornacek
        • Blurry Denzel

          Parties aren’t that great unless there are strategic games involved. I don’t go to a lot of parties

          • Mike Hirsch

            Jackbox Party Pack for the PS4. The Party Pack 4 just came out yesterday.
            Good times.
            That or karaoke. Basically the only way I’ll agree to parties these days.

          • What’s in the Party Pack?

          • Mike Hirsch

            In Party Pack 1: You Don’t Know Jack, Drawful, Fibbage, Lie Swatter, Word Spud
            Party Pack 2: Quiplash, Fibbage 2, Bidiots, Earwax, Bomb Squad
            Party Pack 3: Quiplash 2, Murder Trivia Party, Guesspionage, Tee K.O., Fakin’ It
            Party Pack 4: Fibbage 3, Survive The Internet, Monster Seeking Monster, Civic Doodle, Bracketeering

            I haven’t played 4 yet.

          • Oh, I know about that. I was hoping Fakin’ It got an update, but I guess, it’s fair to get Fibbage another update. Are they done with YDKJ?

          • Mike Hirsch

            I wasn’t sure if you meant all or just the new, so erred with all.
            I’m not sure on YDKJ. Seems odd that they haven’t had an updated version of that.
            I can’t wait for Drawful 3.

          • Blurry Denzel

            My friends (also mostly Survivor fans) play games like Dead Last, Resistance/Avalon,
            and Two Rooms and a Boom among others. Way more fun for me than parties I’ve went to in the past.

          • Diego Armando

            You need 8 person Smash for WiiU. That’s a party.

          • Hornacek

            A party with *8* people? That’s just crazy talk.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          Parties…..you mean like commenting on the internet in your silent, dark living room?

          • Mike Hirsch

            Potato, potato.
            That doesn’t translate well to print.

          • I’m in my bedroom commenting.

      • Hornacek

        And get them to strip.

      • i and 1

        I started liking Lauren this episode. Everyone else seems like great TV, even the older moms have been basically cougars. Mike is a well-known, familiar dorky nerd type, and Ryan is the younger version of that… But Lauren just seems like your regular type person (Working Class?), not easy to pigeonhole, making practical choices and keeping her head together, and she’s representing the everyman/everywoman pretty well.

        • Prom King

          I want to like her and I want to see that everywoman thing, but that sourpuss just puts me off.

          But then I am a person who cracked up at pretty much every Patrick moment, so maybe she and I are just not a good fit.

      • indescribable hat

        I’m taking Alan to a party so I can watch all the boys strip.

  • the sky is falling

    Post survivor adrenaline fueled comments: This season is trending upwards. there are still 3-4 storylines that can payoff, we have had a dramatic tribal, and there are a few players to root for. Mike, Ryan, Ben, Chrissy, I like where we are headed

    • gouis

      Because boring pre-swaps rule

      • the sky is falling

        Not putting it in top 20 yet, just saying it could be a pleasant, even season for once

        • Hornacek

          Is the trend for even Survivor seasons like the opposite of how the original Star Trek movies were?

          • Diego Armando

            No, Philippines, Cambodia and Cook Islands were odd.

          • Hornacek

            Right, but @jason8ate:disqus ‘s comment made it sound like even seasons were usually bad, which is the opposite of the rule for older ST movies.

          • the sky is falling

            oh no, I meant that it would be a nice break from the awful portions of last season or the Will/Dan bullying or the Scot/Kyle nastiness. I’d love to make it a whole season without some reprehensible incident.

          • Hornacek

            Fingers crossed!

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I thought this ep was definitely a step in the right direction. The swap was fun, there was some good game play and some really bad game play, plus starting out with a challenge almost right away didn’t hurt either.

    • Maritimer

      There are, but the Cole/Joe idol one just kind of fizzled out so who knows. I kept expecting Desi to flip because of that story line. But maybe that story line was more about Cole the blabbermouth

      • BadPlayer91

        I think at this point, what we perceived as ‘Joe & the Idol vs. Cole & the Healers’ was actually a narrative about ‘Cole the revealer & Jessica the betrayed.’ I anticipate a lot of ‘will they or won’t they’ and a lot of ‘will she or won’t she’ for Jessica cutting Cole loose. Or maybe she keeps him as a delicious meat shield.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          I’m actually okay with it just having been about Cole revealing Jessica’s secrets, since it was so funny. I’m loving this ‘horny woman drags along handsome, stupid man’ plotline for now. It’s refreshingly different!

        • Maritimer

          Yeah, I think that’s possible. It doesn’t sound like she’s cutting him loose anytime soon though

  • Diego Armando

    Episode thoughts:

    Cole is not good at this.

    I like Jessica and Ashley.

    Chrissy believes that Ryan giving her the idol had nothing to do with her puking after the Immunity Challenge. Winner!

    • Mike Hirsch

      Yeah, she seems to have forgotten that whole bit.

      • Alkanarra

        It was a bad look for her. Ryan was basically saying “I thought you sucked and would be an instant target so I wanted to cause chaos” and she took it as a compliment.

        • Diego Armando

          To be fair, he did a great job at making it seem like that wasn’t his reasoning.

          • Alkanarra

            Yeah, just another grudging respect point for Ryan. He’d probably be pretty good at this game if I didn’t arbitrarily hate him.

        • Prom King

          I thought the same thing at first but realized that I was maybe projecting my thoughts onto Ryan. I don’t actually recall him specifying the reason why he chose Chrissy, in either this or the first episode. Also that scene wasn’t edited in a way that made her look foolish. Just supposition on the part of the viewer is what makes it a bad look for her.

      • BadPlayer91

        Maybe she remembered, and felt it would be better to stroke his ego by thanking him and making him feel like he did her an amazing and heartfelt thing, rather than boiling down that connection to “I puked” lol

        • Diego Armando

          The fact that she went “Maybe he thinks of me like a mother figure” in her confessional clouds that argument a bit,

          • BadPlayer91

            Yeah, it was less “I think Chrissy is a brilliant mastermind” and more “I want to think Chrissy is a brilliant mastermind” Honestly, I just think Chrissy is a nice person who sees the best in a moment like that, and is looking to build alliances at this stage.

          • DrVanNostrand

            The last fucking person I would want to play Survivor with is my Mom. She’s the type of person who would insist on taking Tina to the end because it’s the ‘honorable’ thing to do. Ugh.

    • Ike1

      Didn’t somebody say that Ryan didn’t know that Chrissy had puked? I can’t remember if I heard that on a podcast from Josh Wigler or what, but I’m quite sure I heard that from a reasonably reliable source. Ryan apparently wasn’t there for that and didn’t know about it.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        I heard that as well.

      • purplerockandy

        Instead, he had to rely on “I chose one of the older ladies for the same reason the Heroes tribe did”.

      • I also heard that as well.

      • Hornacek

        In an exit interview, Katrina said their tribe was the last to leave that first challenge, so the other tribes did not see Chrissy puke.

        • Diego Armando

          I did not know that. The show edited it to make it look like all the tribes saw it.

          • Hornacek

            I fell for that too. Now I will never believe the Survivor editors ever again.

          • indescribable hat

            The brutal transition back to a show without feeds…

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      There’s no advantage for Chrissy to call Ryan on his BS in that scene, and vice versa. Admittedly, I have a harder time rationalizing her subsequent confessional. Maybe she’s all too aware of the role the show will force her to play; maybe they omitted her being more cynical.

  • DrVanNostrand

    Oh, Cole. I remember when Andy used to talk about how interesting it was that Ken wasn’t just a vapid pretty boy. He was an awkward, pretentious, obnoxious pretty boy, which was somehow(?) refreshing. Cole, you are no Ken 2.0.

    • the sky is falling

      He is only Ken .25.

    • purplerockandy

      Cole only serves to underline how great Ken was. I wish we had Ken every season.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Ken did next to nothing! He just stood around and looked good! When he did do anything he was kind of a dick! Ken, I’m sorry to say, kinda sucked.

        • Prom King

          Ken with David eliminated Paul and Lucy. He flipped Adam and was given the legacy advantage. He won immunity four times. He did plenty!

          Plus he was an often quirky and unpredictable player who was fun to watch. My second favorite character of the season, after Michaela.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Ken was David’s stooge.

          • Prom King

            Nope, not at all. That’s revisionism! It was Ken who decided to connect deeply with a floundering David. It was Ken who felt threatened by both Paul and Lucy and led the charge against them. It was Ken who – at least initially – had enough personal magnetism to reap the Legacy from whatshername and flip Adam to his side. He laid low post-merge but that by no means equals him being David’s stooge. I liked David well enough, but Ken was underrated as a player, and as a fun character.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            It was Ken who couldn’t connect with anyone but a floundering David. It was Ken who when feeling threatened forced his alliance members to vote his way. It was Ken who blew up alliance members plans. It was Ken who, when following the “honorable” path, voted out his best friend and closest ally. If Ken won, he’d be a less likable Fabio.

          • Prom King

            You are as wrong about Ken as Andy is as wrong about Chrissy! For shame, I say, for shame! I can only hope that one day you both will come to your senses.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Meh

          • sharculese

            Fun is something other people have while Ken glowers in the corner.

          • Prom King

            That’s one of the things that makes him fun!

          • DrVanNostrand

            NO! That’s post-modern nonsense. Being anti-fun, isn’t, and can never be, fun.

          • Prom King

            I’ve always seen myself as a modernist sort of Prom King. Postmodernism is for sheltered know-it-alls, ivory tower types. I’m School of Life, baby!

            I get a kick out of curmudgeons. And grouches, and sarcastic eye-rolling teenagers, and kids who take their toys to go off and play by themselves, sneering baristas and snooty waiters and mean bartenders, uptight librarians and pompous old men and purse-lipped spinsters, and Krampus.

            Although for some reason I’m not yet on-board the Lauren train.

        • purplerockandy

          I don’t believe for a second that you’re sorry to say that.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            No. Not a Ken fan. And he was on my fantasy team.

          • gouis

            How dare you. Ken is one of Survivors greatest gifts to mankind

          • Hornacek

            What do you expect? He’s a bellhop.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            One of the world’s greatest gifts to mankind!

          • Hornacek

            Where is the delusional emoticon?

        • sharculese

          People write Ken’s phone number in bathrooms with the message “for a good time, call anyone except this guy.”

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I’m pretty sure I could find a way to have a good time with Ken.

          • BadPlayer91

            Seconded!

          • sharculese

            Pretty people can be bad at sex, too, Emma.

          • BadPlayer91

            I’ll admit that Ken probably isn’t very creative or adventurous in the bedroom, but his handsome face/fit body will make up for some of the difference.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Not when given careful instructions.

          • sharculese

            I’ll award you points for your faith in Ken’s ability to take instruction.

          • indescribable hat

            Yeah but you still get to look at them.

          • Does it involve vinyl?

          • sharculese

            Yes, but in a dramatic twist, his whole record collection is third wave ska, and you are going to have to listen to him condescendingly explain how you need the warmth of analog to bring out the subtleties of The Pietasters’ horn section.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Eh, I’m not into background music.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I think the first prerequisite for a good time with Ken would be a ball gag. He’s better seen than heard.

        • DrVanNostrand

          You are, of course, right. But it’s a futile argument because almost everyone here has been hypnotized by his abs and his dreamy blue eyes.

          • Prom King

            His abs, although admirable, mean nothing to me. I’m all about his strangely soulful anti-personality. I also rooted for Cody on Big Brother.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            So you’re saying that I need to save everyone from this mind-controlling abomination. I can do this. But I’ll need a hashtag…

  • DrVanNostrand

    Don’t beat yourself up Jessica, but you kind of did make a mistake trusting Cole. I believe the technical term is: “He’s not so smart”.

    • the sky is falling

      Cole is SteveHolt! Irl

      • gouis

        That’s an insult to the simple man that is Steve Holt!

        • the sky is falling

          Goddammit, I just commented myself into an Arrested Development rewatch

        • aka Wes Nale

          • DrVanNostrand

            That name is familiar. Is he Keith’s equally dim, but far less interesting loved one? Pretty good comparison.

          • How dare you diss Big D Nale, Keith’s lovely wife?

          • DrVanNostrand

            Is that literally her nickname? Because I know zero women who would be cool with that.

          • It is. During the Cambodia loved ones visit, not only is he saying “Big D”, but a lot of the tribe is also saying Big D.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I mean, Big D could mean something other than ‘fat’ for dudes, but I’m struggling to think what else it could mean for women. I used to work with a dude that was 6’6″ who had a wife that was about 6’4″. Maybe it was that?

          • No, he’s fairly small and she’s still shorter than him.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            She’s good at defense.

          • I thought we weren’t supposed to talk about Troyzan anymore.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Nice!

          • DrVanNostrand

            Troy’s dong is still fair game.

          • indescribable hat

            It could be like Big Meech on Big Brother or gigantic men called Tiny. Or perhaps it differentiates her from a child or other much smaller person with the same name.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Cole may be the worst liar this show has seen since Judd. In fact, he is such a bad liar that he actually seeks people out to blab secrets he should be trying to conceal.

      • gouis

        He doesn’t even try to lie. He just tells everyone immediately. He’s like a child who spoils his sibling’s Christmas presents as soon as they’re bought.

      • Judson Helland

        Shout out to Judd! 2nd favorite player to never return

        • DrVanNostrand

          I believe you mean your 2nd favorite damn player to never damn return, man.

    • Maritimer

      It what happens when you have hypnotic abs. I trust Cole and I’ve only seen him on TV being a blabbermouth

      • sharculese

        Cole’s no hypnotoad.

  • Star Z

    Ok fine Joe is smarter than I thought. Finally some action!

  • Kent McK

    So was Chrissy’s confessional after the Ryan-Chrissy scene as good for Chrissy and as bad for Ryan as I think it was? And by that I mean I am now sold on the Chrissy winner edit and think that Ryan is no longer a lock for the finale.

    • Diego Armando

      I thought Ryan came out of it looking better, but I think there is a solid chance Chrissy wins this.

    • Hornacek

      I thought they both came out of it looking good. Ryan cemented a relationship with Chrissy who seems to implicitly trust him, and Chrissy found out who gave her the superidol and made a relationship out of it. Win/win.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Is it just me or did Joe actually play pretty well tonight? It’s hard for me to tell because I’m mostly just reveling in all the fantasy points he earned me this week XD

    Also, how dumb is Cole?!?!

    • Diego Armando

      I have him on every non-pick 4 team, so yay!

      • indescribable hat

        Hey, dumb sometimes lasts a long time in Survivor.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Yes and yes. I still don’t like Joe, though.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Oh, same. I only like him for his sweet sweet fantasy points.

      • the sky is falling

        As much as I wanted Joe to be Tony, Joe is just not likable. It always seemed like Tony was having the time of his life out there. Joe is more of a bully.

    • sharculese

      I don’t think he did. He was savvy enough to play the idol for himself, which okay good. That said, if you have to play an idol for yourself this early, it’s not a promising sign. And it the fact that he had to play an idol for himself was mostly his fault. Fucking up the lie to Devon and getting into a pissing match with Alan were unforced errors he managed to survive, but they say his ability to play the social game and build a coalition post merge are next to nil.

      Also, for all the comps to Russell we’re getting tonight well… Russell broke the code for how idols were hidden and had a production team eager to help him do it. Joe needed help to find one idol and doesn’t look like he’s gonna get it for his next one.

      • Diego Armando

        There is still the Heroes Idol.

        • sharculese

          Yeah, but can he find it?

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Yeah I suppose all of this is accurate…but if Joe could just find and play one more idol before flaming out, my pick 4 team might get into the top ten 😀

      • DrVanNostrand

        I wonder what the idol situation is right now. I would assume Joe looked in the same place where he found his idol. Maybe production decided to be a little more crafty than just putting all the idols in the same place on every beach.

        • sharculese

          It wouldn’t be shocking if they watched Tai run to the same spot he found his first idol in Game Changers and thought, “let’s not do that again.”

          • I thought I heard that they were correcting that from Game Changers because of that

    • I agree to the extent that the show wants us to think he played well (“I read her face” x3), and that means that he’s going to be around a while, dammit.

      And I agree about poor, sweet, dumbass Cole.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Yeah I rolled my eyes a little at the ‘I read her face’ stuff. My mom was a prison guard for many years before she retired and that’s the way she always talked about work. I think people who work with cons ~might~ get a little high on their own lie detecting abilities. Although, Joe was right in this case, so…..

      • Other Scott

        I think when Joe says “I READ YOUR FACE” 10x as Alan is leaving, the show is going to show it whether they want him to look good or bad.

        I still think the show is investing in him as a villain not someone to cheer for, and they made him look pretty stupid earlier in the episode.

        • BadPlayer91

          I’m really surprised we didn’t get a “This is my idol, I’m not playing it for anyone else” quote, particularly after Desi tried to talk him into using it for her. That makes me think that he did consider using it for her, and they cut it knowing he wouldn’t. But it’s generally odd that we didn’t get more insight from Joe heading into the tribal when his idol play would be essential. Though, i guess it was a bit overshadowed by Devon getting the anti-advantage.

        • Maritimer

          I agree. I used to think he was being set up as an early boot. I’m now with you that he’s a long term villain

        • Hornacek

          Now I’m wondering if Ashley is going to be instrumental in voting Joe out, and her vote out confessional will be her saying “Can you read my face now, Joe?”

          • Other Scott

            I really think Ashley is one of the next few boots, the show has invested almost nothing in her to this point despite opportunities to do so.

          • Hornacek

            Nothing? What about her and JP? In that pairing, she is obviously getting all the screentime.

          • indescribable hat

            Who do want should get the screentime, huh?

          • Hornacek

            If it’s between Ashley and JP, give all of the screentime to Ashley.

      • indescribable hat

        Everyone seems to be really pooh-poohing the face-reading thing, but I thought the expressions they showed us from Ashley pretty much gave away the game. Now it didn’t do him any good to rub it in like that, and I suppose they could have franken-edited that, but I thought the story we saw on TV made it entirely plausible that he read her correctly.

        • Hornacek

          Ever since I found out that the show lied to us about the other tribes seeing Chrissy puking, I am suspicious of everything I see on the show (up until that point I believed 100% of what the episodes showed us).

        • These Words

          He said “I can play this for myself or someone else” looked at her reaction and could tell that they’d voted for him. It’s not that hard really. I buy it. And I agree with you, he didn’t need to rub it in but he seems like the type that can’t NOT do that. I enjoyed him this episode though.

    • corndogshuffle

      I was convinced we were getting a downfall episode for Cole. That’s how bad he looked tonight, especially combined with the episode he had last week… yeesh.

      • DrVanNostrand

        Maybe he’s getting the ‘Lennie’ edit?

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          Jessica will tell him one last juicy secret, and then sneak up behind him as he gleefully tells their opposition…….

          • Remember how we talked about kissing on the mouth….

            #blindside

      • Maritimer

        I briefly thought so too, pre-IC. I don’t see how he gets voted out of that tribe though

        • That is a really solid tribe, especially now that they can sit out people.

          • Maritimer

            Even if they lose, there’s no way the 3 Healers don’t vote together. Jess won’t go against him

          • So, bye bye, Lauren?

          • Maritimer

            I think so. Cole and Ben seem to be bro-ing a bit

          • Diego Armando

            Yeah probably. Lauren blew up their spot. The Heroes have just lost a member and Ben seems more fun.

          • Also, I agree with this considering that Jessica’s confessional about who got her advantage was all about “keeping the healers together”.

  • Alkanarra

    Remind me if I’m mistaken since they changed the tiebreaker rules: the people who are part of the tie become immune, correct? In which case even if Joe was wrong about being the target, Desi would have been immune on a rock draw and he would have been immune from the idol, so the play works out regardless. Not that I think he realized that for a second.

    • DrVanNostrand

      They are immune from the rock draw. So, the rocks would be Devon and Ashley?

      • Alkanarra

        Exactly. He couldn’t misplay this once the vote was stolen even if he picked the wrong target.

        What he *could* have done is explained this to Ashley and let her flip on Allen herself to not go to rocks, thus building a bond that will be necessary once it’s 2-2. Who cares if Ashley knew their target; there was nothing she could do at that point, ’cause even if Allen had an idol, it’s still rocks for her and Devon. I really can’t fault anyone for not thinking that all through with 0 notice though.

        • DrVanNostrand

          It’s also weird because it was so unnecessary. If they had eliminated a hero vote like they should have, Devon would flip to avoid rocks, and no one would have to use an idol. Jessica fucked this up.

          (Edit: Unless the plan was to flush Joe’s idol all along. Then, well done, Jessica!)

        • Mike Hirsch

          Joe backed into a foolproof plan. It happens.
          It was Joeproof.

          • Hornacek

            Joe fell ass-backwards into a win at this vote.

      • Maritimer

        Yes. And, much like advantagegeddon, I’m not really keen on a scenario which leaves only 2 people vulnerable to rocks (especially where one can’t vote). I think it limits play, rather than promotes it

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      I think that they went back to the old rules. Was that said at the beginning of ep. 1? I think it was.

  • Maritimer

    Twist thoughts: the vote cancel is interesting, but kind of useless here. This tribal was coming down to the idol whatever happened. I think it plays out better in a 2 tribe scenario. Also, I’m curious about the root of the lifespan on these twists – does this come from Advantagegeddon?

    • DrVanNostrand

      But it wasn’t necessarily coming to that. If you cancel a hero vote, you have a good argument to make to Devon that he should go with Healers on the re-vote to avoid a rock draw.

      • But does Devon get to vote on the revote?

        • DrVanNostrand

          If a hero vote had been taken, definitely yes. If your question is whether the person who had the vote stolen would get to vote on a re-vote, I am assuming no.

          • I was asking about the latter.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Definitely the better question. I don’t have a definitive answer, other than what seems most logical to me. But who knows with Survivor producers?

          • Maritimer

            I would say no, which leaves him vulnerable to rocks with no say

          • I believe MvGX settled this by saying that the only people who are safe from a rock draw are those who were voted against in the initial tie and those with immunity (via necklace or idol), which would make Devon arguably the most advantage-screwed of all time if it had happened to him.

          • Maritimer

            I would say so. Can you imagine seeing it coming with no way to stop it? Especially on your first time playing at the 4th vote

      • Maritimer

        True, I’m just saying here that’s how it played out. Its one o wouldn’t mind seeing again to see if it could find actual use, though I think like the vote steal its options are limited

    • It wouldn’t shock me if it was. Just get all of the advantages out of the way. I am guessing that we will have one coming at the merge.

      • Maritimer

        And possibly the second swap (assuming there is one)

      • Hornacek

        At this point I’m thinking we will have a new advantage every third episode.

    • No Eyes in Blindfold

      I agree that five people tribes doesn’t do the best for this twist. I actually think that the twist might be the most interesting at the merge as it could hamper vote splitting, make people more anxious to play idols and potentially help a minority of 5 or 6 have a chance to change things.

      • Maritimer

        Exactly. Cancel a vote in a vote split scenario, especially a narrow one, and It could cause chaos at tribal

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Had there been no idol, what do you think would’ve happened? I think Joe goes home.

      • Best case scenario is Desi and Ashley BOTH switching their votes trying to avoid a tie, right?

        • Maritimer

          Literally just suggested this scenario in response to you above

      • Maritimer

        I think so. Even if the second tie happens, only Ashley and Desi need to agree on someone to go and I imagine they settle on Joe

  • Hornacek

    Is there a Tragically Hip song that fits this season’s theme or anything from this episode? Have to hope that one of their songs will be the outro music to this week’s podcast episode.

    • Oh damn it. Forget my suggestion earlier. It’s only fitting.

    • Maritimer

      Not really. But I still support this suggestion – Ahead by a Century is my vote

      • Hornacek

        Little Bones – in honor of Jessica’s smashed fingers.

        • BadPlayer91

          I thought it was Ashley’s fingers?

          • Hornacek

            Dr. Mike is on the tribe with Ben, Lauren, Cole and Jessica.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Are there any tragically hip songs about CTE yet?

    • StormofCuteness

      Very sad day. Lucky to have seen them in a small club in Vegas in ’97.

    • purplerockandy

      I do like that guess the outro is a new game around here.

      Don’t like that every second week the guessing gets less fun.

  • Roswulf

    By far the best episode of the season, but a terrible twist.

    If the Purple Rock folks can’t follow what the clue does from Survivor’s storytelling, then it doesn’t enable strategic thinking by the audience.

    Still, I shall miss Alan. He was the amusing asshole.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Let’s just say that three healers–Cole, Jessica, and Joe–end up on the same tribe after the swap. And let’s say Joe doesn’t have an idol. If someone gives the “advantage” to Joe, there may be a tie. On the revote, JP and Ashley probably don’t want to go to rocks (because they don’t want to draw the black rock) so they flip. There are ways the “advantage” could have worked.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Can you imagine if Alan had gotten the “advantage” but didn’t go home? How paranoid would he be then?

        • BadPlayer91

          Crazy eyes for days!

      • Roswulf

        It could have changed the result (though I think there are more scenarios where is removes drama than creates drama); but based on this episode there’s no way it could have worked,

        Because Survivor couldn’t even figure out how to explain what the advantage WAS.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Jessica figured it out. She also knew that Joe had an idol. She wants to keep Healers strong. What if Lauren had found the “advantage” and played it on Joe? He wouldn’t have gone home, but Joe knows that there is a 60% chance that Cole, Jessica, or Mike found the “advantage”. How does he react to that?

          • BadPlayer91

            Joe would have no idea where the advantage came from though. For all he knows, it could have been someone on his tribe, or either of the other two, because he isn’t aware it was hidden in the challenge reward. And prior to this season, advantages have never been willed or used from afar between tribes, so the natural assumption for those in the game is that the advantage came from someone on your tribe.

            Which is interesting, because Devon is the only person in that tribal that knows advantages are being shared/used between tribes (per his alliance with Ryan). So while the others may assume the advantage came from within, Devon probably knows that someone outside the tribe did it. And if he talks to any members of Cole’s massive inner circle, he’ll know Jessica did it.

          • StormofCuteness

            This is an awesome point, and I hadn’t realized how cool it was that he’s one of only 3 that would have any clue about where it came from!

          • Hornacek

            Jessica figured it out because she got to read the entire advantage instructions multiple times. Us viewers only got to hear part of the instructions once.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I was very surprised to see so many people think Devon got the advantage rather than got his vote blocked.

      • Max_Jets

        Yep, when I saw he got it I was kind of enjoying how mean it was to give him so much hope.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I rewatched the scene where Jessica read the advantage twice, and it’s ambiguous. According to Jessica’s reading of the note, she gets to cancel somebody else’s vote at TC, but if her tribe didn’t go to TC, she had to give “this advantage” to someone on the losing tribe. There’s more on the note than what Jessica read to us, but based on what Jessica said, it’s not crazy to think (as I did) that it confers the same power on the recipient (to cancel somebody else’s vote) rather than canceling the vote of the recipient.

        Another thing that was ambiguous is that the advantage said “do not read until it’s time to vote”. I’m surprised Devon revealed it before the start of voting, rather than open it in the voting booth, which is what I would have done unless prompted by production.

        • StormofCuteness

          That’s odd. I was certain she said she could block the vote of someone else if they didn’t go. So certain, my fiance bet on it, and I won.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            No, that was in the case of her own tribe going to TC. All she said about the situation if her tribe didn’t go was that she had to send “this advantage” to someone on the losing tribe. As I said, ambiguous, although I’m sure the fine print was clear.

          • StormofCuteness

            And yet, I still got the exact meaning from what was said. *shrug*

          • Mike Hirsch

            Yeah, it seemed explained enough for me that the person who received it on the losing tribe would not be able to vote.

        • i and 1

          Definitely ambiguous–but I will admit that I did not imagine that it would be sent to the victim. She’s just holding it and reading (12:05 in the ep) and it says that she can send it anonymously to someone else on her tribe to cancel their vote. But if her tribe doesn’t go to TC, she can send this (i.e. The advantage that she is reading) to someone on the losing tribe. Doesn’t say if they get to read/use this ‘advantage’ ahead of time and use it on on their rival tribe member like she can or not.

          Anyhow, kudos to the editors, I for one fucking loved it–I definitely jumped to a wrong conclusion and it didn’t work how I expected at all.

          • the sky is falling

            Yes, I thought that Jessica would have to announce who she was blocking, rather than just give the paper to someone. I was definitely bamboozled by that.

          • i and 1

            A lot going on with a new thing… She does mention while reading it that the victim would be notified anonymously, so for me the surprise was that, since she didn’t go to tribal, she was transferring the punishment rather than the power to someone on another tribe.

          • the sky is falling

            oh, right. now that you mention it that is a bit odd. it’s nice that they are still able to switch it up. I think someone mentioned below that the game is already complicated enough. I like the change, but introducing too much randomness could hurt the game in the long run and turn it too much into Big Brother.

        • Hornacek

          Jeff said on EW.com today that if Cole hadn’t said anything about the advantage when he said “It’s time to vote” they would have prompted him.

          • BadPlayer91

            *Devon*

            Cole would have already told everyone, including Jeff.

          • Hornacek

            Thanks, corrected.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Oh man, “We almost never have a situation where a player attempts to “cheat” the game in any way” has to be one of the most laughable things Probst has ever said. Not only was the fact that someone “cheated” the game (at least in spirit) the only reason this show has lasted 35 seasons instead of five, it directly contradicts what Probst has said before about not interfering when the players take things in an unexpected direction, such as by getting up and conferring during tribal.

        • Maritimer

          I took it this way as well, which is why I was surprised when she gave it to Devon

      • indescribable hat

        I thought Jessica had misunderstood and it was going to be a wild disaster, since what she said about it and the bit of the note we heard didn’t seem to match up. But I guess she was just paraphrasing the rest of the note for us.

      • the sky is falling

        TBF, many of us watching are on our third drink by tribal council.

    • I guess they were hoping it would create a surprise tie vote, for some dramaz? Because the only way the advantage could have any effect in a 5 person tribe would be to turn a 3-2 vote into a 2-2 vote. If it’s just turning a 4-1 or 3-2 vote into a 3-1 vote then what was even the point?

      It would have worked better if brought out at an occasion when the tribes were even-numbered.

      ETA: in fairness if Joe hadn’t had an idol we WOULD have got a dramatic tied vote. I wish I knew what would happen after that. Revote, then rocks or fire? (In that situation I would love to see who abandoned their tribemate faster – Desi or Ashley?)

      • Maritimer

        Rocks. Totally rocks. We may have gotten the scenario that’s been promoted here before where BOTH people switch their vote and we get a second tie that way

    • the sky is falling

      I can’t imagine the casuals understood that twist if it confused the die-hards. Although, are there still casuals anymore?

      • Hornacek

        There still were as recently as the Second Chances vote. Shane and T-bird don’t get voted in, but Woo, Joe and Monica do???

  • Dubious Rob

    So many inexplicable decisions tonight: Cole’s big mouth, Joe going aggro, Jessica choosing Devon to get the vote blocked…it all led to an interesting tribal, but I can’t say that it was an entirely satisfying vote-out. I figured Alan would go early, but never would have guessed he’d be idoled out. Huh.

    • StormofCuteness

      Cole is not too bright.
      Joe made a calculated risk that miraculously paid off.
      Jessica helped out the other healers realizing Devon would be the swing vote.
      Poor Alan.

  • StormofCuteness

    I haven’t read the blog or messages or twitter, but we just got done watching and hot damn, did we love this episode! We are currently also watching One World, and I have to say, I like every single thing about this season better than that one. I don’t even really dislike anyone. The challenges were great, the finally getting to know Roark and Desi more, the all out game playing, and a tribal council that was truly fun/surprising! I do feel badly for Alan because it was clear he really does love this game.

    PRP peeps, I have pneumonia, and this made my week! I’ll probably find out that I’m alone in loving it so much, but ah well, I likes what I like.

    • Max_Jets

      My favorite contestant was voted out and I still really liked it.

      • StormofCuteness

        Right?! I mean it really sucks for Alan, but at least he wasn’t actually crazy or even bitter. I’ll miss him.

    • I watched tonight on the Worst Stream Ever so only caught a tiny percentage of that, but I hope to love it when I catch up properly tonight!

      • StormofCuteness

        I’m looking forward to your take!

    • Maritimer

      There’s one key part of One World that nobody on this season seems able to match yet (but I agree this season is better so far)

      • StormofCuteness

        I am only watching it because of how people around here talk about the winner. I hated it the 1st time, and I hate it even more now. Almost every word spoken makes me seethe.

        • Maritimer

          Oh I hate it. I’m just saying there’s doesn’t seem to be any Kim’s on this cast

          • i and 1

            Oh, man, I can’t really make a solid case against anyone who wants to argue that she’s a top notch winner, and I certainly wouldn’t be so stupid as to say she was undeserving or that her game had flaws–but for me, my perception of what happened that season is that we had one person who harbored the justifiable gall to exploit a bunch of idiots every day for more than a month in order to get a million dollars, combined with a bunch of idiots.

          • StormofCuteness

            The “bunch of idiots” rings very very true to me, and you can add “not humans I want to be around” to all but maybe 4 of the cast.

          • StormofCuteness

            As of yet, I have already seen better game play by Ali, Chrissy, and Jessica than on OW, but yeah. We shall see.

          • Prom King

            I despised Colton like every rational human being, but on the re-watch, I have to say that his ability to control his tribe was pretty impressive, until his sick out. Not exactly fun to watch, but interesting at least. He’s the only person on that mainly sad cast who could have given Kim a run for her money, post-merge.

          • StormofCuteness

            I wish I felt the same. I did watching it when it aired, but now, everything about him and the season is making me gross out. Thankfully, the sick out is the next episode.

          • VoicOff

            I had the biggest laugh of any Survivor season when he brings the male tribe to tribal even tough then won the challenge.
            So thanks for that, Colton.

          • Prom King

            That was amazing. And then he had to go and ruin it all with his garbage talk about Bill at tribal council. Fucking Colton!

          • VoicOff

            He was a despicable bully, and said dumb things about that guy even before.
            I mean, he wanted him out and that was the reason he had them at tribal.

          • Hornacek

            I still say that Jeff had no idea that the male tribe was coming to tribal when they walked in. His reaction is priceless.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I thought we established last week that this cast matches up well with One World’s in hotness.

        • Maritimer

          I meant this season lacks a Survivor Goddess

          • Prom King

            LAUREN IS REDDIT G.ODDESS

        • StormofCuteness

          This cast is a billion times more attractive than OW, and that’s a low estimate.

          • Max_Jets

            I think most casts are more attractive than OW on the men’s side.

          • Maritimer

            Counterpoint: exhibits A-C: Jay, Matt, Mike

          • No; who?; no.

          • StormofCuteness

            Hate them all. Sorry, not my type and personality/brains matter.

          • Max_Jets

            Counterpoint: Alan, Patrick, JP, Devon, Cole, Ben
            Counterpoint: Malcolm, Caleb, JT (ugh, Game Changers)
            Counterpoint: Adam, Ken, Jay, Chris, Bret
            Counterpoint: Nick, Darnell, Caleb
            Counterpoint: Terry, Jeremy, Savage, Spencer, Stephen, Joe (supposedly), Woo (supposedly), Vytas

          • I confess to finding Nick Maiorano’s brand of sarcastic arrogance really hot.

          • I’m never sure what to think about Nick. He’s clearly very sarcastic in his arrogance, but part of me thinks that below that layer of sarcasm is some level of legitimately sincere arrogance.

          • I’m never sure what to think about Nick. He’s clearly very sarcastic in his arrogance, but part of me thinks that below that layer of sarcasm is some level of legitimately sincere arrogance

          • I’m never sure what to think about Nick. He’s clearly very sarcastic in his arrogance, but part of me thinks that below that layer of sarcasm is some level of legitimately sincere arrogance.

          • In a Survivor cast, two separate layers of arrogance counts as Having Depth.

          • Additional counterpoints: James, Tom, Colby, JT, Tyson, Boston Rob, (supposedly) Coach

          • Max_Jets

            Russe–woops, almost said it again!
            Is the Coach thing because Coach would say he is attractive?

          • Some people view him as attractive.

          • StormofCuteness

            And women’s.

          • No.

          • StormofCuteness

            We really disagree on this one.

          • Survivor Goddess Kim Spradlin is a goddess, and Chelsea, Christina, Sabrina, Alicia and even Monica are all various levels of hot. Kat is definitely not my taste, but you can argue she makes the list as well.

          • StormofCuteness

            Alicia is a gross human. This season we have Ali, Desi, Jessica, Simone, and arguably Ashley and Chrissy. I find this cast far more attractive as humans as well.

            Sorry, I hate One World, and greatly prefer the aesthetics of many other casts.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Did you forget to mention Kourtney Moon, or just tired of bringing her up?
            I also like her the best from the OW women and it’s fair to rate Christina and Kim (more so off-island, imho) as hot, but the rest of that cast didn’t stand out for me.

          • StormofCuteness

            I forgot Kourtney because she was out so soon, but I agree she’s very attractive.

          • I actually forgot Kourtney this time. But yes, she deserved mention.

          • Surely Malcolm/Reynold/Brenda/Andrea puts Caramoan pretty far up there.

          • Alkanarra

            Ranking hotness, are we? Where’s DB when we need him most?

          • And Eddie

          • StormofCuteness

            Having just finished Caramoan, I concur, but to be honest, I still find this cast more attractive overall thus far.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Well obviously I agree with that (plus the Cool Kids who got eliminated early, Hope and somebody I can’t remember at all), but don’t John and Andy consider OW the season to beat in terms of hotness?

          • StormofCuteness

            Ugh, really? *shudder*

          • I do, yes. There are definitely more attractive women than men on that season, though.

          • StormofCuteness

            Also, I have a huge crush on Cochran so…definitely biased towards Caramoan.

      • Max_Jets

        I think it’s too early, even if it’s very unlikely that anyone in any given season would be a Kim. Ali has shown enough potential that she COULD be, for example.

        • Maritimer

          That’s true. One could yet emerge (we didn’t know at this point in OW that Kim would be a Kim)

    • Diego Armando

      It is not hard to be better than One World.

    • Diego Armando

      This season is fine. I’m just waiting for someone to pop.

      • StormofCuteness

        I guess after watching the tribe switch on One World earlier the same day, I am just so grateful for not hating anyone and that everyone seems to be actually playing the game, I feel like it’s wonderful!

        • Diego Armando

          Marquesas was so much better for me since I had just finished Thailand.

      • Hornacek

        Did you know there’s a bellhop on this season? “hop” is close to “pop”.

  • Judson Helland

    Is anyone else getting a china vibe? We’ve got a tod, Ryan a Amanda, Jessica, a Denise, christy/ mike, a james, cole/ ben a peigh gee, desi, a eric, jp a Jamie, Ashley and a jean-Robert , Joe. Oh for a good courtney.

    • sharculese

      I don’t think any of those track, but even if they did, none of these people are as entertaining as the cast of China.

    • I think the easiest comparison is Lauren to Denise

      • Hornacek

        Lauren does not suck at life – she played softball for 20 years.

        • Alkanarra

          Yeah, like… Lauren not only defended herself from a nefarious ginger, but she then sniffed out Cole’s bullshit and turned it on him. She’s playing a massively better game than Denise did her entire season.

          • StormofCuteness

            I am glad we didn’t get anymore weird redhead hatred.

          • There’s no more red heads.

          • StormofCuteness

            😭 I know.

          • Hornacek

            Wait until the loved ones visits. Production will have forced some of the players to invite a redhead.

          • purplerockandy

            In a twist, Lauren’s spouse is a ginger.

          • VoicOff

            Good. Can’t trust those.

  • StormofCuteness

    Happy Birthday, Mark! 🎂🍻🎉

  • Some things I’d like to tell Cole ‘in strictest confidence’:

    – Hollywood has a major sexual harrassment/assault problem
    – So does the world in general
    – If America had tougher gun control laws, fewer of you might get massacred
    – Most women actually find giving blowjobs really boring
    – Reya has been rewatching Philippines as suggested and is hoping Malcolm is going to ask her to prom

    Now remember Cole, *don’t tell anyone*

    • The #SecretsbyCole (IIRC) hashtag was quite funny on Twitter last night.

      • I’ll have to go check that out. I don’t go on twitter when I’m watching live in case my colleagues have questions about what I’m doing up at 2am and why am I so visibly tired this morning?

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  • Hornacek

    From Jeff Probst’s EW.com interview today:

    1) For next week’s episode, “we put new people on the show we are always ‘current’ with the culture and what is happening in our country. You get a taste of that next week. It’s a small but very powerful moment that I think will resonate with viewers.” Hey that sounds fun. Remember the last time the show reflected something that’s going on with the real world? Oh right, last season. I miss the days when what happened on Survivor was just “fun” and didn’t have to resonate with any of us.

    2) Jeff said that Devon had to use his advantage; he couldn’t had just sat there and said nothing. How likely in future seasons will we see a player find an advantage in their bag just before tribal and immediately try to burn it, not taking any chances?

    • i and 1

      Didn’t read point one, but yeah, point 2 is pretty interesting. They are twisting the game up like crazy with this potentially. It’s kind of Big Brother-esque, random shit that players are gonna have to deal with without any kind of clarity. Having Idols around creates that kind of uncertainty, and the show has had that for a while, but every week now we’re getting something never seen before, it seems like. I enjoy Big Brother, but I don’t think Survivor needs to keep creeping towards a new Vegas-style gamble/black-box every week.

      • Hornacek

        Point 1 doesn’t mention any specific person or event, but I know that some people like to know nothing about the next episode so that’s why I used the spoiler tags. But even reading it I know nothing beyond the “Next week on Survivor” clips as to what happens next week.

    • Maritimer

      this sounds more like Probst is going to try to be hip with the kids, which always ends well (and by well, I mean, results in us getting to mock Probst.) If its something like last season, I’m not sure he would talk about it like that. I think (and desperately hope) its gonna be more a him talking about Millenials type thing

      • BadPlayer91

        Gawd I hope it isn’t going to be a Trump vs. Hillary alliance showdown. The preview had Chrissy talking to Ryan about how Roark wanted to do an all-girls alliance, so that could spiral to a political thing, or it could be more of a misogyny thing. Ugh, I really hope it’s some trivial Probst thing and not players recreating our world of hate on a lonely island

        • Maritimer

          Your second spoiler tag needs to look like this (without the spaces)

          I’m a bit worried about that too, given Ryan’s political tendencies

          • BadPlayer91

            it was the S’s. derp.

          • Hornacek

            Never trust a bellhop.

        • Max_Jets

          It seems like a leap to think that he’s hyping something controversial based on his word choice, but I guess we’ll see.

          • BadPlayer91

            Yeah, i’m guessing not controversial. I was just trying to think what he could be talking about, and so much of our ‘current’ culture is defined by controversy right now. I hope it’s just a generational divide or something similar

        • I was leaning more towards a Ben and Lauren thing, but this seems more likely

      • Hornacek

        Well, let’s break this down. What is happening in pop culture right now that could be reflected in next week’s episode? Well, there’s the Harvey Weinstein scandal and all of its fallout …

        Oh man, I hope not.

      • I assume it’ll be something nice, or at least not completely terrible. You’re right in that they never promoted last season’s big moment, and Probst demonstrated enough of an awareness both in that episode and in interviews after to recognize what is and isn’t appropriate to hype.

    • the sky is falling

      How about a mystery advantage, which you don’t know until tribal council if it’s good or bad. I think Devon’s disadvantage is leading us in that direction.

      • Adam’s reward steal was also quite obviously a disadvantage if not played right. They are more ‘twists’ than advantages really.

    • Max_Jets

      http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/survivor-season-35-jeff-probst-tribe-swap-1049955
      And from Jeff’s Hollywood Reporter interview, Alan Ball is a likely returnee candidate. Dry those tears, everyone!

      • Hornacek

        Why? He’s a fourth boot, not that great a player. Are they really that desperate for returning players that are only good for creating drama in their own alliances?

        Well, they did bring back Abi-Maria.

        • Max_Jets

          Because he’s really entertaining and likable? They brought back Michaela and Wentworth (and as mentioned in the article, Boston Rob) which paid off. Going far once in the game doesn’t necessarily mean you’d be a better cast member to return.

          • Hornacek

            Alan is likable? He was only entertaining when he went crazy in the first episode – not a good sign.

            Michaela made it almost (?) to the merge. Wentworth managed to use her online presence into getting voted back on the show – there were a lot of women in that Second Chance pool that were less deserving at being invited back. Boston Rob was a last minute fill-in for All Stars because Heidik wouldn’t come (or the show refused to invite him, depending on who you believe).

          • Max_Jets

            Your points on all 3 of those contestants are irrelevant to how entertaining they were in return appearances. Alan showed self awareness about looking crazy even if he was over playing and I found him to be very likable.

          • StormofCuteness

            Me too.

          • Hornacek

            Alan showed self awareness? Enough to make his entire tribe, including those in his alliance, view him as crazy and unreliable?

          • Max_Jets

            Yeah. He said “I know I look crazy” (paraphrasing) in a premiere confessional.

          • Hornacek

            Unless he said that at the very end of the episode, that means that after he said that he continued to act crazy and alienating the rest of his tribe.

            At the first tribal, according to Josh Wiggler (who witnessed that tribal), Alan ranted non-stop for over an hour about idols and power couples, with the other tribe members stunned silent, especially since 4 of those 5 people were probably thinking “Alan, what are you doing? This has nothing to do with our plan. Just stop talking so we can vote out Katrina.”)

            Recognizing that you’re acting crazy doesn’t mean anything if you’re not crazy like a fox and just plain crazy.

          • Max_Jets

            I didn’t say he was a good player, just that he had self awareness. Perhaps this means he can learn from his ridiculous, why would anyone ever do this mistakes or something, but if not who cares because he’s fun to watch as a trainwreck too! I can’t convince you to love Alan, ya just have to feel it.

          • Hornacek

            It’s not self-awareness if you do stupid crazy things, recognize that you are doing stupid crazy things, and then continue to do stupid crazy things.

            He is not as bad as this list, but thinking that Alan could learn from his mistakes and should come back is the same flawed logic that had Survivor bring back players like Colton, Brandon Hantz, and Abi-Maria. None of them showed any self-awareness about their flaws in their first seasons, and they all played into their flaws during their second seasons (and found new and worse flaws to show us). Alan is not as bad as any of those players were in their first seasons, but I see nothing in these 4 episodes that indicate that he is worth bringing back.

          • Max_Jets

            Abi Maria was more than worth bringing back, Survivor skills be damned.

      • Prom King

        I would much prefer Patrick. Bring him back Survivor!

    • Prom King

      Ah the idyllic fun-filled Survivor days before Grindgate ruined everything!

    • Kemper Boyd

      oh god, will that moment be white men ignoring women of colour and their lives? Because that seems to be the culture of today.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Have we talked about how Devon getting hit in the balls at the challenge was nice foreshadowing for him getting hit in the balls at tribal?

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      lol. Have we talked about how the secret advantage not only wasn’t an advantage for Devon, it wasn’t an advantage for anybody else on the losing tribe or Jessica. And thanks to Cole it wasn’t secret.

      • Maritimer

        Have we talked about how if “secret advantages” are going to start popping up regularly, they need a less cheesy name than “secret advantage”

        • sharculese

          We could call them Game Changers…

          • Please don’t give them ideas.

          • sharculese

            How about Competition Modifiers?

          • StormofCuteness

            No dangling allowed!

        • i and 1

          Potato Chip Roulette

        • TheForRealDeal

          Clandestine Cantrip.

        • bassmanxvi

          Gotchas

    • sharculese

      You actually pinpoint the second when his nards rip in half.

  • BadPlayer91

    At least Cole’s attractive though, right?

  • indescribable hat

    I think of this every episode but I keep forgetting to mention it and someone else probably already did, but:

    Those tribal immunities were clearly designed to hold mints in a restaurant, right?

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    You guys, on balance I think Jessica actually made the right choice. It’s logical to assume that Devon will side with the Heroes to reduce the Healers’ numbers. So given that, she was going to force a 2-2 tie no matter who she gave the disadvantage to, unless Joe played his idol correctly, as happened. Given that, taking away Devon’s vote gave the revoting Healer and Hero a way to avoid going to rocks (by agreeing to get rid of Devon). Yes, that leaves the Heroes intact, and yes if Jessica had given the disadvantage to a Hero, Devon surely would have flipped to avoid rocks, but going forward Alan-Ashley is actually the weakest possible twosome to leave in the game even though they’re both from the same original tribe (leaving Devon-Alan in the game in particular would have been a disaster, since Joe would be likely to bro down).

    • gouis

      Sounds like someone has Jessica on his fantasy team

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        For certain definitions of “fantasy team”, yes.

    • StormofCuteness

      Yay, someone agrees with me!

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Ashley and Devon are absolutely closer than Ashley and Alan, but Jessica had no way of knowing any of that. She especially wouldn’t know about the troubles the Heroes had on the first vote.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Didn’t we see Ben giving Jessica the scoop after the reward challenge?

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Did we? Maybe I just don’t remember that.

        • StormofCuteness

          Yes, I remember this happening as well.

  • Other Scott

    I think now that Alan went out directly the next episode, I’d like to nominate “Alan can’t figure out how to open a coconut” as one of the most random segments in recent years.

    • Max_Jets

      I ENJOYED IT

  • Super duper fan

    I really liked this episode! Some of my thoughts:
    – what’s interesting about this season for me so far, is that every episode is better than the last one. I’mn really enjoying this season so far, and I hope this trend will somewhat continue.
    – while I can KINDA see why Cole would tell at least one other person to solidify some bond, telling BOTH Lauren and Ben was a giant mistake. He’s torpedoing both his AND Jessica’s game. And Jessica now has to be really careful to prevent Mike from Adam-ing them. I’m also beginning to wonder whether she should keep working with or simply cut him. For now I would say to keep working with him, but be a LOT more careful with what you tell.
    – while on topic of Jessica, I’m not sure whether it was a good move to give an “advantage” to Devon. Giving it to Ashley or Alan would seem to be a more safe choice. But I also wonder if Ben had told her about Ashley’s and Alan’s beef, so she thought that one of them would join up with the Healers, and the other with Devon. And it’s not some outlandish logic, because I myself was pretty surprised that Ashley and Alan teamed up that easily. Maybe we’ll see Jessica’s reasoning in the next episode, so may maybe we just have to wait.
    – I’m actually a bit bummed that Alan got voted out. I didn’t feel like it really was his fault that he got voted out. If he actually does return on some kind of second-chance season, I wouldn’t be really opposed to that, because he was a really fun character.

    And my updated power rankings are:

    1. Chrissy (+2)
    2. Ali (-1)
    3. Ryan (+1)
    4. Ben (-2)
    5. Jessica (+3)
    6. Lauren (-1)
    7. Ashley (0)
    8. Devon (-2)
    9. Joe (+2)
    10. Mike (-1)
    11. Desi (+3)
    12. Cole (-2)
    13. JP (-1)
    14. Roark (-1)

    Ashley Underwood, we’re forever grateful for what you’ve brought to the game. We are not worthy of the joy you bring us.

    • Blurry Denzel

      About damn time Desi moved our of last place

    • the sky is falling

      Don’t quite follow how Lauren is so far ahead of Mike in your rankings. Mike and Devon are too low, otherwise agree.

    • the sky is falling

      Yeah, Alan wasn’t bad, don’t have a pressing desire to see him back though.

  • Quick update: Foo Fighters twitter has not acknowledged the Survivor shoutouts.

    • How dare you, Dave Grohl! We were rooting for you! We were all rooting for you!

      • It’s almost as if they are on tour or something.

        • Hornacek

          If only there was some global online method for them to have been aware these shout-outs were happening …

  • the sky is falling

    3 to 3 tribe swap thread. I’m not sure if I have seen this anywhere else here (maybe good discussion for the podcast).
    A) Has this ever been done before?
    B) Will there be another 3 to 2 swap before the merge?
    C) Is this a bad idea, or a nice change

    Secondly, there are no idols in play, i think the one tribal expiration date on the advantages is a nice change.

    • i and 1

      This is true, I like not having idols all over the place. I guess there was the potential for three, but only Joe was really trying maybe? These one-time use ones are interesting, but it seems randomy so far. You got the lucky bag of chips! Now use it to cancel the vote of somebody you never spoke to from another tribe!

      • Hornacek

        Randomness is a part of Survivor. If you pick up the right bottle or napkin at a reward, you can get an idol clue.

    • Just finished recording the podcast. We discuss this.

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