Survivor Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers Episode 5 Liveblog: “The Past Will Eat You Alive”

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Matt has an irrational dislike for all contestants named Michel(l)e. Also if he ever takes a strong stance about why everyone else is wrong, it is he that is inevitably wrong.

Favorite seasons: Micronesia, Heroes vs. Villains, Palau, Philippines, Pearl Islands, Cagayan
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  • Hornacek

    I don’t think I’ll be wearing the shirt for tonight’s episode. Maybe I need to buy a 2nd one.

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    • the sky is falling

      That cat is HUGE! Run for your life!

      • Hornacek

        It’s an ILLUSION!

        • the sky is falling

          Whoa, got me!

        • sharculese

          An illusion is something a cat does for money, Michael.

          • Hornacek

            Or CANDY!

  • Hornacek

    There’s a cottage cheese commercial on with A-ha’s Take On Me playing. My childhood has been stolen.

    • Scarlett3639

      I thought Baby Boomers were ridiculous when they were upset over Microsoft using “Start Me Up.” Now I get it.

  • PurpleTally

    It’s Survivor time, bitches.

  • Blurry Denzel

    Two weeks from today, on November 8th, the biggest PRP meet up (I assume) will be happening in NYC. We will be attending the live Know It All’s show. There are also tentative plans to have dinner/drinks before the event and drinks after the event. I’m not sure about the availability of tickets to the show but if you are in the area that day and want to attend any of the festivities, let me know and I’ll provide details to where we will be once it’s decided. I look forward to meeting as many PRP people as possible.

    • Hornacek

      Can you Skype it for those of us that can’t attend? Or are afraid to go to the States?

      • Blurry Denzel

        I’m afraid I would fuck it up.

        • Hornacek

          And get arrested by the NSA probably.

    • Alkanarra

      I would go if only for the fact that I don’t like people or interacting with people. But I’ll nod encouragingly in your direction from Queens, if that helps.

      • Violina23

        Come! I’m socially awkward. We can exchange uncomfortable looks

      • StormofCuteness

        I am so jealous of this event, and you’re in NYC? I get it though.

    • Hornacek

      You guys are lucky. Rob announced on the KIAs last night that not only will Cirie be in the building, but she will be up on stage talking with Rob and Stephen.

      • Alycia Swift

        I heard that and cheered in my car while I was listening.

        • Hornacek

          Rob has said on the podcast that he has tried many times to have her on the podcast as a guest, I think she only did it once (?) long ago, and every other time since then she has expressed interest when he reached out to her but she never firmly agreed or committed to a date. He said he got the impression that she wasn’t interested in talking Survivor. So I was pleasantly surprised to hear that she was going to be a guest at this KIA, discussing the episode. Maybe Game Changers got her back into the mood to discuss the show?

    • Alycia Swift

      I’ll be there. I am looking forward to it.

  • the sky is falling

    If this isn’t a winners confessional from Ben I’ve never seen one. too obvious editors, Come on!

    • Or an absurdly telegraphed boot episode.

      • the sky is falling

        Nooo!

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Or just an important moment.

        • StormofCuteness

          It made me cry. *sensitive*

  • Hornacek

    Ben has sime PTSD. This is powerful to find out know … or it would have been if CBS and other podcasts hadn’t spoiled it for us.

    • the sky is falling

      Oh man I didn’t know, yeah it is

    • I went with no postgame after last week, so I have to say it was somewhat powerful.

      • Hornacek

        I listened to a podcast that has never discussed commercial spoilers before when making predictions before, and they did it for the first time ever this week. Thanks guys.

    • Alycia Swift

      I wonder if medical knew it before he was on the show though.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    To everyone who saw the spoiled preview (especially @SNPalsy:disqus), It looks like the second half was very bullshitty. Glad to see Ben isn’t leaving just yet.

  • the sky is falling

    What’s with the coffee rewards survivor? Ain’t nobody want that.

    • Prom King

      I would be all over that. Going without coffee for that long sounds like a nightmare to me.

  • gouis

    Just watched S4E3 of The Genius and we’re wigging out over here.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I had the exact same reaction when I saw it. Like literally, I commented in the live blog about it.

      • gouis

        The result is completely unacceptable

        • Taako From Teevhii
        • Streets_Ahead

          It’s been a while since I watched it. What happened?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            K-Hound boots a fan favorite boy band singer from S1 and 2

          • Streets_Ahead

            Ahhhh yes ok. I mean disappointment I get but the way he plays not surprising it caught up to him eventually

          • gouis

            Yeah but to lose to that dunderhead?

          • Streets_Ahead

            He was a huge fan of the show and practiced the hell out of the known death match etc. IMO he’s on of the most interesting players in season 4.

    • Kent McK

      Very cruel editing in that episode.

    • Oh, that one was painful. Let the game/story play out, though. Some good stuff comes up later.

  • Hornacek

    This is a messed idea for a challenge.

    • the sky is falling

      And for coffee, hard pass

      • At this point, if I was the red and yellow teams, I’d be “Yeahhhh…I’m not shoving my face into sand for one jug of iced coffee, y’all can give it to the PAs.”

        • the sky is falling

          Loss sucks, but I’d think not a big deal on this one

        • Although, wait, I’m here for being picked up and thrown on a mat by JP. Last place has its benefits.

  • Hornacek

    Yellow tribe sits Lauren out, hoping the immunity challenge involves softball.

  • Hornacek

    Poor Ryan. Once the ball rolls backwards it takes forever to recover.

    • the sky is falling

      He should have hustled more

    • Blurry Denzel

      You can see the frustration on his face and it brings me so much joy.

      • Hornacek

        Yeah, damn bellhops!

  • I don’t know if anyone else is watching the commercials (first time I’ve watched Survivor live this season), but a special called “Michael Jackson’s Halloween” sounds terrifying, although surely not in the way they’re intending.

    • Well lets talk about its summary: “The special follows millennials Vincent (Till) and Victoria (Clemons), who meet “accidentally” on Halloween night and find themselves, along with Ichabod the dog, at a mysterious hotel located at 777 Jackson Street called This Place Hotel. Once inside, Vincent and Victoria are sent on an unexpected, magical adventure of personal discovery, culminating in a spectacular dance finale featuring an animated Michael Jackson.” Now doesn’t that sound like a modern holiday classic.

      • Hornacek

        CBS, stop making new Halloween specials and just re-air the Garfield Halloween special with the (legitimately) scary pirate ghosts!

    • Hornacek

      I’m sure after it’s over we’ll all be saying “That was no Captain EO.”

      (look it up, millennials!)

      • Captain EO was 100% a thing I saw during my first trip to Disney World and Epcot, in…I want to say ’86?

        • purplerockandy

          It came back for awhile after he died and everyone decided to agree on ignoring his past.

  • Hmm, this new person is talking a lot. That’s a problem. I think her name is Rrrargh.

    • Streets_Ahead

      It probably won’t be a problem any more by the end of this episode.

    • Hornacek

      Insert random song with Roark’s name replacing all R-words.

      • They should have determined who sits out in the challenge by popular schoolyard game Roark Paper Scissors.

  • Ohh, You poor dead meat player Roark.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    So Ali is purposefully trying to put herself in seventh place? It’s quite a strategy.

    • NearlyNina

      Yeah that wasn’t a good look.
      I’ve already been doubting her skills at Survivor, and that just reinforced it to me.

    • I was so, so disappointed in Ali. She’d shown such promise before this. I hope this was only a temporary lapse, and that she recovers.

    • Crappy

      I don’t think that was a bad strategy. The way season was shaping up before this vote it could have easily turned into Healers having outright majority at merge. Being part of that side is not a bad call, in this age of survivor straight forward pagoning is not going to take place and Ali was backing herself to make closer connections with others on healer’s side at the merge. Now on yellow tribe, no one has any shot of getting a foot in with healers.

  • Hornacek

    Roark has 2 confessionals? Uh-oh!

  • Streets_Ahead

    Ben’s winners edit better look out. Cole is coming for him!

    • the sky is falling

      There’s a third winner edit coming from the rear

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Jessica asked Mike to dig instead of dig herself?

  • Have. These. Producers. Learned. NOTHING?

    • Streets_Ahead

      After 35 season it seems relatively safe that they have not.

    • the sky is falling

      I will say it again, they WANT the idols in play. if it were up to them they would just hand em out

      • Streets_Ahead

        Shut your mouth! It is up to them and if they did it would almost certainly be a horrible clusterfuck.

        • the sky is falling

          Bring it!

      • Sure, but this system trends towards the same people finding idols over and over again. I’d almost RATHER have them hand them out, or let them line up at one of those arcade claw games.

        • the sky is falling

          As long as the idol finders are on my fantasy team, I will take it . 🙂

      • Blurry Denzel

        At this point it feels like an indictment on Joe’s game for not finding another idol yet.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Abso. Lutely.

        • the sky is falling

          Was Amanda the only survivor player who had an idol unknown to the audience. Did that happen? Or am I imagining it?

          • Blurry Denzel

            Gary in Guatemala.

          • the sky is falling

            Ahh, thanks

          • Streets_Ahead

            You guys, I just opened the note… and that thing is definitely, by far, on the ground. I just… I can’t tell any more than that, for my own chances… but it is totally on the ground.

          • Maritimer

            ugh, I need to read further down before responding to comments apparently

          • indescribable hat

            Parvati apparently accidentally found one in Micronesia and threw it in the ocean or something and we never saw it.

          • the sky is falling

            Whoa, you guys know all!

          • indescribable hat

            TEOS, that’s where the bulk of my weird Survivor info is from.

          • the sky is falling

            Sorry, what is that?

          • indescribable hat

            The Evolution of Strategy, an “audiobook” (very very long podcast you have to buy) Rob Cesternino and Josh Wigler did where they spend ~10 hours on each season. If you’re in the market for more Survivor audio content in your life it’s a pretty fun way to go back through everything.

          • Blurry Denzel

            I’ve been going through TEOS the past few months. I just finished Samoa, which is among my favorite chapters they’ve done.

          • Diego Armando

            I don’t count that since we never saw it.

          • indescribable hat

            Hey, the question did not specify that we had to later see it.

          • Maritimer

            I don’t think we knew Gary in Guatemala had found his

  • Hornacek

    I like that Dr. Mike is still wearing his business jacket while digging for the idol.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    In case people were curious, we have now seen everything from the spoiled preview.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      And for the deadly curious, here’s the link:

      • FINALLY I’ve been waiting to see what all the hubbub was about.

        • Well, that was…a brazen little ad, wasn’t it. Yeesh.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Can’t believe everyone got worked up from “This video is unavailable.”

        • Hornacek

          I guess they all thought it would be available and the fact that it wasn’t was the outrage?

    • Maritimer

      So I didn’t realize it was idol find (which I think shouldn’t be spoiled in preview) I really thought we were getting a boot telegraphed or spoiled medevac (which honestly made that Ben scene very concerning for me) the way it was being discussed. So again, thanks for keeping it all downlow and preserving suspense

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        We managed to keep spoiler tags over any important discussions.

        • Maritimer

          You did. Which is why this place is great. I was spoiled in somehow involved Mike on Reddit but managed to get away without learning anymore

        • Max_Jets

          “important”

  • PurpleTally

    I keep having half thoughts about this episode. Nothing really spectacular, but there has been a significant amount of strategy confessionals for a pre-merge episode, apart from Ben before the credits.

    • PurpleTally

      To clarify, I feel like I haven’t really learned more about any of these players as people through their confessionals, apart from Ben, in this episode.

  • Hornacek

    Dr. Mike and Jessica find the idol! This would have been great to find out as I watched it … instead of being spoiled by … whatever.

    Now I feel like i’m just an old man yelling at kids playing street hockey in front of my driveway.

    • As long as they don’t break any windows you should be okay.

      • Hornacek

        They keep yelling “Car!”

        • They could be practicing traffic safety.

          • Hornacek

            They’re not wearing the orange vests.

          • Well are they wearing the same colors so you can see them better.

        • Judson Helland

          Good afternoon. My name is russel and I am a wilderness explorer……

  • Taako From Teevhii

    They’re not even trying to keep the rice dry. Working harder and not smarter.

  • Hornacek

    Jessica pas Dr. Mike’s ass after he said he would sit out and started to walk away.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Move over Jole, Dr. Messica is the new healer power couple.

      • indescribable hat

        It’s great because they’re actual indisputable healers.

  • Me watching Joe stab the shit out of something: “Ooh, you’ve done this before.”

    • Bad challenge for JP’s team. Great challenge for JP’s shorts.

    • indescribable hat

      I can only read that in an admiring tone. Perhaps it’s the way you spelled ooh?

      • Yeah, faux-admiring/faux-horny. You nailed it.

        • indescribable hat

          Well you absolutely communicated that clearly in your writing. I heard it that way even though it seemed like an implausible reaction to stabbing!

          • That’s why they pay me the…almost no bucks.

  • PurpleTally

    Am I the only person who is bothered when Survivor uses rice as a prop in the challenges? These people are starving, and they’re basically being asked to throw food in the sand.

    • Streets_Ahead

      You are not. There was some complaining about that in my house just a few minuets ago.

    • This challenge was more fun in Kaoh Rong.

    • NearlyNina

      I was thinking the exact same thing.

    • Diego Armando

      Yeah, I was wincing. I tried my best to turn off my brain. I suppose it might be so they spill something biodegradable.

    • I’d at least fill my pockets with a handful or two.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      My mom hates it.

    • StormofCuteness

      It makes me crazy when they do this or use coconuts as balls to bounce/throw.

      • PurpleTally

        The coconut thing doesn’t bother me as much, because I just assume they’re using old coconuts unless the challenge is to get the water out of them. (That probably isn’t the case, but it makes me feel better about it.)

    • Hornacek

      Since they now have separate reward challenges and it doesn’t matter if you come in first or second in immunity challenges, they should have given an incentive to come in first – give all the rice to that tribe

    • Something Quirky

      I also get annoyed by it.

  • Streets_Ahead

    I just realize Jeff does actually know the tribe names. He’s been studying.

    • I think one team is named SoCo, which makes me want to do shots.

    • Hornacek

      He likely wears an earpiece with someone offscreen telling him what to say, like the actual tribe names, and “I guess you could say I’m Iraqi.”

  • Hornacek

    JP is the MVP for his tribe carrying all the rice … has he said a single word so far in this episode?

    • Streets_Ahead

      Usually MVPs are from playoff teams so I don’t think he gets it this time.

  • Ohh, You poor dead meat player Roark. You just got swap screwed.

  • the sky is falling

    Bother anyone else that Chrissy kept trying to do the challenge, seems like a dumb move.

    • Blurry Denzel

      It bothers me every time when a player is doing shitty and doesn’t let someone else takes over. It’s just not a smart game move.

      • the sky is falling

        Yeah, put the player back in who had success, makes no sense

    • This was a challenge where brute strength was needed and sadly Soko doesn’t have much of that.

      • the sky is falling

        Not for the maze part

    • Hornacek

      She did turn around and ask if anyone wanted to swap in more than once. One time Roark seemed to speak up, but it was more of a “I’ll do it, I guess, if you guys want me to, I mean, I don’t have to, whatever.” Grow a pair, Roark.

      At that point, have anyone go in and try. That type of maze seems like the kind of thing that you really have no idea which person might be good at it.

  • Streets_Ahead

    Lol good luck with that. Chrissy is going nowhere. They did not invest all this time in her for her to be the 4th boot.

    • Blurry Denzel

      It really seems like Roark but I would love if it was JP.

      • StormofCuteness

        That was my dream.

  • Hornacek

    Yellow loses. Roark, who we’ve barely heard from before this episode, talks once again saying Chrissy is going. Case closed, right?

  • I don’t know, you guys, Cork is playing hard today. Do you see how she wanted to grab that big log before the tide came in? Game Changers 2, here she comes.

    • the sky is falling

      Fork is my fave player on this season

    • Hornacek

      I thought after the Simone-boot episode we decided we wouldn’t talk about aquadumps.

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    I feel that it’s really important that you all know that Billy Garcia liked my “I’m calling JP” tweet.

    • I want to call JP.

      (Getting all these in just in case he goes home.)

    • Violina23

      Hannah Shapiro liked my Hamilton joke… (take that, Matt)

      • Purplerockmatt

        that only convinces me that my reaction to it was right

        • Violina23

          I’m going to keep this up all season. Just to annoy you.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Yeah! Fight the good fight!

          • Violina23

            If you stand for nothing, Matt, what’ll you fall for?

    • Hornacek

      I miss getting actual emails saying “This person liked your tweet”. I had so many of those saved.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Chrissy just said too much to Ryan. Just tell him that JP’s good voting Roark. Don’t tell him how you duped him into the vote.

    • NearlyNina

      Yeah, no need to make yourself seem to be a strategic threat. Especially to another strategic threat! Although, I’m not sure Chrissy sees him that way?

  • Blurry Denzel

    Damn, JP went from Roark being valuable to need to cut her real quick.

  • Hornacek

    JP: I like Roark I want to keep her.
    Chrissy: She mentioned that there’s a 1% chance she would be open to an all girl’s alliance.
    JP: She must leave immediately!

  • indescribable hat

    Roark and Chrissy are on my pick-4 🙁

    • Don’t worry I lost Alan last week

    • Violina23

      Mine too. Plus Joe and Cole. Oy vey.

    • Lira2012

      Ugh, me too.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Roark and Chrissy are on my pick-4 too, AND I replaced Dr. Mike with Roark after he was so hapless and bullied in episode 1, AND Roark is on my 6-team league team.

      • indescribable hat

        Oh boy. You win.

  • wonderand

    I’m pretty sure I heard people saying “do you want me to try?” in a volunteer-ish fashion when Chrissy was asking. Was I hallucinating?

    • Blurry Denzel

      You weren’t but Chrissy clearly was.

    • indescribable hat

      Someone really could have just stepped up and said “I’ll do it” though. It was a shared failure to work as a team.

      • wonderand

        Yeah, FOR SURE. But don’t ask if you’re not prepared to take offers! Just forge stubbornly ahead!

        • NearlyNina

          It was my impression that when she asked there was an initial long pause with no reaction or volunteering. After which Roark half-halfheartedly said that IF CHRISSY WANTED HER TO, she’d do it. That kind of passive-aggression would make me think twice about being led into a trap to being seen as “giving up”. Like, why preface it with the requirement of Chrissy wanting to not do it?

          • StormofCuteness

            No, I saw Roark offer more than once and being turned down by Chrissy. It didn’t seem half-hearted to me in the least.

    • StormofCuteness

      No, Roark offered at least twice and was turned down.

      • Hornacek

        The way I saw it, Roark offered, but in a very non-committal way. “I’ll do it, I guess, if people want me to, whatever”. Someone should have said “I’ll do it!”

        • purplerockandy

          I think both parties did it half-heartedly. Chrissy should’ve given up her spot. And someone needed to step up and grab her spot. All indecision.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            It should have been like when she stopped to take off her shoes or whatever, when she insisted someone take over. “I can’t stay on the balance beam, someone else go!” instead of “Heyy does anyone want to take over?” while continuing to get back on and try.

          • Hornacek

            I think once you’re the one person doing a part of the challenge like this, you do it until (a) another player asks to swap in for you, or (b) you ask if someone else wants to go and someone else definitively says “yes”. Otherwise you stay in.

            If I was doing this part of the challenge and wasn’t doing that great and I said “Hey, I’m not great at this, does anyone else want to step in?” and no one said “Yes” I’m going to keep going.

        • StormofCuteness

          I so her urgently asking. Not sure why that didn’t come across to you.

          • Hornacek

            I didn’t see Roark saying “Yes, I’ll go in.” I saw her saying “I will, I guess, if I have to, whatever.” A lot of hemming and hawing. If Roark really wanted to take over she should have yelled “Yes!” and started walking towards Chrissy.

          • StormofCuteness

            We don’t agree and saw it completely differently. Chrissy was insufferably refusing to let Roark in.

          • Hornacek

            Agree to disagree. I saw Chrissy more than once ask her tribe “Does anyone else want to do this?” Everyone else (not just Roark) was too scared to step up because they knew that if their tribe lost, they would be blamed for the loss. That’s nice for self-preservation, but it does jack-shit for tribe-preservation.

          • StormofCuteness

            And I saw Roark offer more than once. Sigh

          • Hornacek

            According to her RHAP exit interview, Roark said she was never going to swap in for Chrissy because her balance is not good. She wanted to sit that challenge out, but the rest of the tribe had already decided that Ryan would sit out.

          • StormofCuteness

            You are a dog with a bone. This doesn’t change how the edit made it appear to my fiance and me. Clearly, we saw it through our own biases.

          • Prom King

            My very first PRP-related Survivor argument was with Hornacek, back at the AV Club, and I think I used the same exact phrase! Although it was probably less of an argument and more of me getting increasingly irritated while he calmly kept restating why I was wrong. Sigh!

          • StormofCuteness

            Yes, this.

          • Hornacek

            Sorry, didn’t mean to be like a dog with a bone, just replying to comments. If I see something, I say something. No biases.

  • Streets_Ahead

    I’m not going to miss Roark. Her smug grin here is annoying me.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I am quickly disliking everyone on this tribe. Ali might end up being the only one I can root for

    • Alkanarra

      And she honestly didn’t have that great of an episode this week.

      Still though: Team Ali.

      • indescribable hat

        She’s continuing her streak of picking up the person who’s about to be voted out. I don’t really know what that means.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          It means she keeps scooting by without picking up fantasy points for votes to evict.

          I’m not bitter.

          • indescribable hat

            Hey, if she can keep it up indefinitely it could pay off in jury votes. One day.

        • Hornacek

          On KIA someone tweeted in saying that everyone that got voted out from Ali’s tribes is someone she talked to at the well and told them they would be safe. #AliWellCurse

      • the sky is falling

        there are still open seats on the Ben and Mike train.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Phrasing?

          • God, I hope not.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Hurley, he’s a “downstairs doctor.” He’s gotta know a thing or two.

          • I like how you’re always thinking outside the box.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Well, if it’s Ben and Dr. Mike, there wouldn’t be a box in sight.

        • Judson Helland

          Ben, mike, desi, devon and ryan

          • the sky is falling

            That would be interesting

        • NearlyNina

          Literally, whenever someone references Mike without his job title I spend a good three minutes going who’s Mike?

          • Hornacek

            Stephen asked on the KIA if Dr. Mike is the first player ever to have a honorific/job title as part of his Survivor name on the show (i.e. “Dr. Mike” instead of “Mike”). I can’t think of anyone else.

          • NearlyNina

            Yeah, the only other one I could think of is when Cirie would call Sarah Officer Sarah, but that wasn’t how she was referred to by everyone let alone by Jeff or herself.

          • Hornacek

            I think Stephen was talking about Jeff calling a player by their job title. Jeff is calling him “Dr. Mike”. This is the show officially telling us, the viewers, that his name is “Dr. Mike”, not “Mike”.

          • the sky is falling

            Dr. Sean? Or was he only called that in the fandom?

          • Hornacek

            The alphabetical fandom?

        • wonderand

          At least call it the Bike. (And one seat might be sufficient.)

      • NearlyNina

        Honestly, I’ve never been too keen on Ali.
        She’s an active player sure, but none of that activity is getting her anywhere. Her strategy talks always seem super awkward and at the end of the day she doesn’t seem to be able to convince people and direct a vote. She reminds me of Savage in Gamechangers.

        I also have to question her desire to glomm on to the healers. And do what be on the bottom of an alliance? Sure there might be cracks, but she doesn’t necessarily know that or that she would be able to work her way in with them.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Not to be that guy, but Savage was not in Game Changers.

          • Clearly you haven’t read my fanfic.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I am questioning everything I thought I knew about you, Hurley.

          • I am ALL IN for Andrew Savage as a strict object of lust. There are reasons we won’t get into here but I give you permission to contact my therapist for his notes.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            No, but now Matt wants to.

          • NearlyNina

            Ooof, I always mix Game Changers and Second Chances up by the names – I just hear both as “the people we brought back because they did things (except the ones who didn’t)”. I used to do the same thing with Cambodia and Cagayan for some reason. If someone said one of the names, I honeslty couldn’t have told you which one it was.

        • Alkanarra

          I mean, I like Ali because she’s (a) a good narrator and (b) attractive. It doesn’t take much for me. Her game, while fine, is waaaaaay too obvious. She’ll get to the merge and everyone will know she’s shifty af. My guess is the show saw a clever young minority female who can play to the camera well and who also happens to have a social media background that allows her to pimp the show to her followers and they’re giving her a “make her memorable so we can bring her back” edit even though her game wasn’t that great. Which is fine because, again, attractive.

    • Hornacek

      You mean you’re not enjoying the bellhop???

  • the sky is falling

    Quick poll: Who is the bigger meathead, Cole or JP?

    • Blurry Denzel

      JP

      • the sky is falling

        No contest, he has the charisma of a brick wall.

    • Meathead? JP. He’s the kind of dumb that has nothing to say. Cole is more of a doofus.

      • Purplerockmatt

        Doofus is such a good word for Cole

        • Violina23

          Goofball?

          No, Doofus is better

          • I workshopped goofball, but that kind of implies there’s intent to be silly, which I don’t think is the case. His silliness is uncontrollable and likely not self-acknowledged.

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      JP

  • I don’t know if Worg can pull off “don’t come for me.”

  • gouis

    LOL Roark sucks. Deal with it Internet.

    • the sky is falling

      Who is Roark?

    • Kent McK

      Yes, thank you. She socializes with Corinne people!

  • Streets_Ahead

    OMG! Roark out!? Who could have predicted that???!

  • Hornacek

    “The same comfortable” is not a phrase.

  • the sky is falling

    Farewell, Stork. We hardly knew ye.

  • Blurry Denzel

    I hated the way Chrissy played that last 15 minutes but she’s still here I guess.

    • the sky is falling

      She is unrealisticall confident in her place.

      • Unwarranted confidence is often hugely admired by a large swath of a populace. Cf. stupid America.

    • Mike Hirsch

      “She’s still here I guess” is a great Chrissy descriptor.

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      I hate what her move represented… and I hate that it works

      • Prom King

        I get the controversy because it is an outright lie. But in my opinion an absolutely necessary one because otherwise she would have been going home. Also Sandra and Tony did the same thing, so maybe I’m biased because those are two of my favorite players.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          I was going to comment to clarify, but you beat me to it! Exactly.

    • Violina23

      I don’t love it either (because of the reasons Em stated above), but I think she picked the right strategy given her situation.

      • Blurry Denzel

        I feel like she was also too manic and said too much.

        • She seemed a little brittle. Possibly this is what Chrissy looks like when she’s genuinely at risk, assuming she was always safe in episode 1 and knew it.

    • Chrissy was giving me major Katie Hopkins vibes this episode.

      If you’re not in the UK and therefore don’t know who Katie Hopkins is, count yourself lucky.

      • Blurry Denzel

        I’ll take your word for it but I am very curious about who this person is now.

        • No, she’s awful. I know her from Twitter draggings and you don’t want to encounter her ever.

        • She was on the UK apprentice, was kind of awful, made it to the final 4 and then announced that she’d decided she didn’t want the job anyway and was quitting the show.

          She now has a career being hateful in the media, but I’m thinking more of apprentice-era, ambitious and superior Katie Hopkins. There’s some visual similarities, and also apparently a ruthless streak.

  • Arrrgh lasted one more episode than Lucy in MvGX. Progress.

    • Mike Hirsch

      I survived in the Champions League for one week more than my MvGX Outcasts experience. Thanks, Roark!

  • Alkanarra

    I hate you, Palsy.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Why? I didn’t spoil anything, did I?

      • Alkanarra

        This is where I’d claim “I’ll have my revenge” if I didn’t know myself well enough to realize the amount of effort that would take is far beyond my abilities.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          I do have an awful lot of down time.

    • Hornacek

      I’ll upvote this, even without context.

  • Hornacek

    And Andy being able to rub it in our faces on the podcast is delayed for at least another week.

    • Diego Armando

      That’s not going to stop him.

    • corndogshuffle

      I feel like he will just double down to be honest.

    • purplerockandy

      Wait… are people supposed to have a BETTER opinion of Chrissy after tonight? Is that what’s happening here? I’m genuinely curious here.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I sure don’t, but somehow everybody on yellow except JP managed to make themselves look bad.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I feel like none of y’all understand what Andy’s actual argument was.

      • Prom King

        It was easy to understand! I just looked at what Chrissy did in that first episode, appreciated it, then imagined what someone who was the opposite of right would think – and suddenly understanding of Andy’s perspective was achieved.

      • Hornacek

        I just know that when/if Chrissy is voted out, Andy will likely spend 1/2 of the podcast discussing/speechifying about how he was always right about her.

        • purplerockandy

          There’s basically no way now for her vote out to have anything to do with my argument, unless it’s because she’s granted ANOTHER advantage that she does nothing with. Which I suppose could happen.

          • Hornacek

            I’m sure that you can steer the argument so that, no matter how she is voted out, you can frame it so that your initial hypothesis will be proven right.

          • purplerockandy

            I doubt it.

          • Hornacek
          • purplerockandy

            Look, if she gets dragged by the jury for coasting and not doing anything, THEN I can bring up her non-decision again. Otherwise, it’s a thing that happened that had no material effect on the rest of the game because her tribe never lost again.

            Note: I don’t see things playing out that way for her at the jury.

  • wonderand

    So assuming Roark understands what a swing vote is (and wasn’t bluffing in saying she thought she was one), who do we think she thought her other choice was?

    • indescribable hat

      I figured she realized she wasn’t the swing vote at some point.

    • I assume Chrissy told he Ryan, as it would be pretty dumb to suggest a woman’s alliance and then propose voting out Ali.

      • wonderand

        Had already forgotten they had an actual conversation about a women’s alliance; thanks! Though it would also make sense for Chrissy to try to pitch her on JP if the end goal is to convince JP to feel threatened enough to vote against Roark… but that at least defines two groups to swing between.

  • Streets_Ahead

    At least she had a good attitude on the way out.

    • the sky is falling

      When you join the game in week 5, there’s no reason for bitterness.

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      Agreed – she was very self aware

  • Lets establish the basics for the Roark boot. Yes, she did get swap screwed. No, she is not some underrated Survivor goddess. Her pitch to Ali for why she should stay was you can join our tribe. She got lucky that Ali decided to go with that pitch.

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      I don’t think she did though – I think she was in a very powerful position as swing vote… which she proceeded to fuck up.

      • She thought she was swing vote. She did not realize that the actual swing vote was Ryan

        • Because why would you assume someone in a good position on their original tribe would screw over a longstanding alliance member in favour of a player they’d spent six days with?

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Correct – but also, Chrissy and Ryan had a connection, but it didn’t have to be more powerful than Roark’s interactions with people – she didn’t put in the work with others.

          • Agreed. I’m just surprised at Ryan not looping Ali in – surely you either tell Ali so she’s not left out, or you get everyone to compromise on JP?

          • Alkanarra

            He seems like the kind of fella who wouldn’t be too good at letting a woman down to her face. So just vote against her at tribal and figure it out later!

          • Yo Ho

            He looked scared and nervous at tribal council but maybe he always looks like that.

          • StormofCuteness

            Ali gave him quite the look at tribal, and he was shaking.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I agree that Ryan should have looped her in – it was unnecessary to exclude her. She’s smart with majority voting

          • NearlyNina

            I think Ryan’s been playing things very close to the chest.
            Apparently his alliance with Devon wasn’t obvious to the rest of the tribe. And from this episode, not only is it clear that Ali was unaware of the connection to Chrissy, but Chrissy also seems unaware of how aligned Ali and Ryan are. She seems to be more under the impression that they have a similar relationship to the one she has with JP.

            I also think that strategic Ryan isn’t coming through to the other players on the island. He’s playing strategically, but with a HEAVY focus on social game and I feel like everyone is underestimating him because of it and only focusing on the social.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          I think when she came in, she could have been the swing vote – but she didn’t actually attempt to foster any relationships with each side. She didn’t put in the work. It didn’t have to be the way it was.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I think she did though with Ali, she didn’t with Chrissy because it was obviously not wanted

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            That’s what I meant – she didn’t put in the work with enough people to be the swing. 2 people isn’t a majority

          • Purplerockmatt

            She assumed Ryan was close with Ali, because he was close with Ali and would follow Ali. She did not think he was also close to Chrissy

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Agreed – but if there’s one rule with Survivor, it’s that if you don’t forge relationships, you won’t have them down the line. It just backfired sooner.

          • Purplerockmatt

            i mean you guys realized that both sides (except Ryan) basically tried to only secure the bare minimum for a majority. Ryan basically out right said that Chrissy never talked to Ali, and we know that Chrissy and Roark never talked. Ryan seems to be the only person talking to everyone and when it was time to make a choice he couldnt figure out how to do it and loop in both Ali and Chrissy

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Completely a fair point that nobody played well

          • Roswulf

            Put me down for team “Everyone sucks”.

          • purplerockandy

            Chrissy, the people’s champion, the one who will show mean ol’ Andy how wrong he was, sure doesn’t seem to like to play Survivor with women, huh?

          • ExtraLargePelican

            Grasping at straws for weeks must be tiring.

          • purplerockandy

            Talking about a season whose stars are as boring as Chrissy and Ryan is tiring.

          • purplerockandy

            Yep. I’m definitely the only person here thinking this. Just me. No one else.

          • Prom King

            Nice try.

          • Alycia Swift

            Or that Ryan was not following anyone and had his own game plans.

          • Blurry Denzel

            Chrissy is right when she said it’s a two way street and Roark could’ve made a connection with Chrissy.

          • I think Chrissy’s dislike was…very visible this episode. It might be merited – Roark might have been a total pain. But it doesn’t look like there was ever much connection to make. JP seemed to like her at least, until Chrissy told him not to.

          • StormofCuteness

            This isn’t accurate, but I saw her secret scene from last week which directly contradicts this.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          But Ryan only became the swing vote because Roark screwed it up by not playing to both sides.

    • Maritimer

      I agree with you but I am sure when I check reddit tomorrow there will be a lot of r.obbed g.oddess going on

    • Diego Armando

      Counterpoint: Roark literally stated that she did not get swap screwed.

      • Countercounterpoint: Roark is wrong in her final words and wanted to leave the game on a positive note.

      • Hornacek

        When Roark said that she only knew what she personally witnessed. After she sees the episode and knows what the other players were saying/doing, she may have a different opinion.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Turns out she does!

          • Hornacek

            Shocking!

    • Hornacek

      Roark: If you side with me I can promise you 7th place when the 6 Healers reunite at the merge.
      Ali: (shakes Roark’s hand) I’m in!

      Ali, master-strategist.

  • Are we allowed to talk about the “Next Week on Survivor” here?

  • Judson Helland

    Aww man! Hate to see Pork go. She was such a strategic genius! #survivorreddit #robbedgoddess #bellhopstrong #deathtoSNP

    • You’re fitting right in here.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Probably should just keep it to three hashtags max, though. We don’t need to overdo it.

      • Judson Helland

        Awwww shucks. You made my day john

  • Hornacek

    Last week: Jessica feels betrayed by Cole and isn’t sure if she should trust him.

    Next episode (from the previews): Jessica sees Cole fall down and hit his head which rekindles her “like” for him.

    • Okay, so we can talk about the NWoS, then.

      Can people stop almost dying on this show?

      • the sky is falling

        That’s probably a fake out

      • Violina23

        I’m guessing dehydration, he’ll get some fluids and be fine.

        • Hornacek

          He needs an injection of Jessica.

          • Dirty AND anatomically incorrect. I like it.

          • purplerockandy

            Pegging is an exception to her virginity.

          • That word makes every part of my body clench.

          • purplerockandy

            Virginity is an awful word.

          • Violina23

            I shouldn’t like that, but damnit you made me laugh…

          • Hornacek

            hornacek

            I shouldn’t like that, but damnit you made me laugh

        • corndogshuffle

          It will be like Paul’s “heart attack” in Millennials vs. Gen X.

          • Kingoftonga

            Nah, Paul must have died on that island because I have zero memory of him on that season at all

          • corndogshuffle

            @Sharculese

          • indescribable hat

            Paul? The Big Brother guy, right?

          • Blurry Denzel

            The only way i would be okay with Paul on Survivor is if he gets second place again. It will never get old.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I’m not opposed to him being the first boot.

          • Blurry Denzel

            Good point. Basically I love when he fails.

          • indescribable hat

            Yeah but if he gets a couple Survivor second places he’ll be at winning BB prize money and we can’t have that.

          • Blurry Denzel

            That’s fair.

          • sharculese

            Hi did someone mention Paul?

          • Blurry Denzel

            I picture you bursting through the wall like the Kool-aid man when Paul is mentioned.

          • sharculese

            I picture Paul bursting through the wall like the Kool-Aid man whenever Paul is mentioned.

          • gouis

            Now I even think I like Paul

          • Hornacek

            You just made @sharculese:disqus ‘s Enemies List.

          • Hornacek

            As the oldest (?) Gen Xer on that season, I wish when Paul was having his “heart attack” he would have said “I’m coming Elizabeth!”

      • Hornacek

        I mean, maybe i’m a huge hypocrite discussing the NToS clips here, since I’ve been ranting tje last couple of days about spoilers from CBS commercials, and other podcasts discussing those commercials. But I’ve always treated those NToS clips as part-of-the-episode. Am I wrong? If so I’ll own up to it.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Policy had always been that NTOS is canon when it airs. It was part of the broadcast, so treat it as such.

          • Especially since it comes before the final words.

          • No Eyes in Blindfold

            I agree with this but I do find it unfortunate that last week’s NTOS spoiled what tribe lost the challenge as Crissy’s conversation regarding the women’s alliance in the preview did not occur yet. Usually the NTOS is not that bad in spoiling things but I think CBS was off their game last week.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            It’s not necessarily the case that Soko would have lost. Two weeks ago, Cole was spilling the beans about Joe’s idol to gather votes against him in the case that the Healers went to tribal (this was before the challenge).

          • No Eyes in Blindfold

            Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant that when watching tonight’s episode, I knew that Soko was losing when the challenge started as the clip in the preview had not yet happened in the episode, which meant that it happened after the challenge and most likely in the pre-vote scramble. However, this might not be that big of a deal.

          • Maritimer

            I was kind of ticked off about this too. That’s amateur hour by the Survivor team there. Don’t spoil the IC

          • Hornacek

            Hmm, that’s right, I didn’t think of this. All NToS clips should be pre-immunity challenge.

      • StormofCuteness

        I know people laughed, but it looked really scary to me. Probably because I passed out for the first time recently and that shit is terrifying!

      • purplerockandy

        NToS is a part of the show and thus completely fair game. Mid-week commercials that seem extra-spoilery are discussed with caution.

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    I do give her credit for swaying JP. Just because it’s easy doesn’t mean you can’t fuck it up – an idiot can get stuck on something you say if you say the wrong thing. I don’t like arrogance – but I think Roark was a little condescending as well. Regardless, I give credit where credit is due – she’s aware of how men treat women’s alliances, and she used it to her advantage. I hate what it represents, but she saved herself.

    • Violina23

      I agree. I think she did well with what she had to work with. She knew she wasn’t going to charm JP by being “relatable”

      • Maritimer

        Sure she could be relatable to JP. All one has to do is lift things up and put them down with him for a while

        • Phrasing?

          • Maritimer

            Yeah, phrasing. It’s actually a reference to an old commercial my friends and I used to quotee a lot. It was for a gym.

          • Maritimer

            Yeah, phrasing. It’s actually a reference to an old commercial for a gym that me and my friends used to quote a lot

          • forever1267

            They were using that phrase over on HamsterTime to describe Big Sweet Dumb Muscle Hunk Mark from Big Brother

          • Maritimer

            He’s another excellent candidate for that phrase

    • Blurry Denzel

      I also hates what it represents. I wish a dude would react to that info by wanting to work with a group of majority women. They might be surprised that it can actually work out well.

      • gouis

        If I were ever on Survivor this is 100% what I would do. 90% of my close friends are women.

        • the sky is falling

          Why has there only been one women’s alliance ever? Seems like a solid plan

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Micronesia and One World makes two.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            True – that should be included

          • SJDS…sorta?

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Meh.

          • I mean, we know that Natalie wanted ladies at the end.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Yeah, but it wasn’t a real women’s alliance because the other women weren’t really in on it. Jaclyn had Jon, and Keith was kind of in it-ish?

          • Yeah…you got me there. Wait, I got one. What about Cambodia with the Witches Coven?

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Can’t count it – at the end, Kimmi wanted to do the all women’s alliance, and Tasha was like, NOPE.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            What are your criteria for all-women’s alliance? Is it an alliance of all the women remaining or an alliance comprised of only women?

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I think probably the latter (though 3 is a mighty small number), but I have trouble counting the witch’s coven because of what I mentioned, but also because of Keith

          • Keith is one of the girls. He went on the spa day and everything.

          • But, what about Wentworth, Ciera, and Abi-Maria?

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            3 is a migggghhhhttttty small alliance… but I don’t know – it’s on the line for me because of the numbers and Keith. But possibly.

          • Hornacek

            The All Women’s Voting Block.

          • the sky is falling

            Point remains that it’s a viable strategy

          • Max_Jets

            I might throw a sorta towards Kaoh Rong too, which saw all of the women aligning for one vote.

          • the sky is falling

            Ah, forgot. only one named alliance. black Widow Brigade ruled

          • purplerockandy

            Just so we’re clear: two successful women’s alliances is more than there have been successful men’s alliances.

            By two.

          • StormofCuteness

            *applauds*

          • Prom King

            This is one of the many reasons why Survivor is better than Big Brother.

          • sharculese

            Placeholder post: if you break down the math on merge tribes it’s clear why it rarely happens. I’m writing out the longer version right now.

          • wonderand

            My kingdom for a season where all the women, on the boat or mat or whatever at the very beginning, all do the Secret Sisterhood Handshake and agree not to write down another woman’s name until all the men are out, and to try to get a man out every vote. (As long as the men don’t know that that’s the specific deal at the jump, it could work.)

          • the sky is falling

            I think it’s high time for a season of all women then another of all men

          • indescribable hat

            I will only watch the all-men season if it is at least 75% eye candy.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Or all Kens. Like they cloned him.

          • Ken would never allow himself to be cloned, though. Because he doesn’t believe in GMOs.

          • forever1267

            That’s why some of us are here, amirite?

          • Like Jeff would even bother showing up for an all-women’s season…

          • Blurry Denzel

            We can get Parvati or Andrea to host

          • the sky is falling

            Make this happen! at least do it on CBS All access!

          • I don’t know; is he single again?

          • NearlyNina

            Only if they voted out their mom.

          • Diego Armando

            Women’s Alliance is doomed for the same way couples alliance is: we saw one humiliate everyone else and are not going to let that happen a second time.

          • Crappy

            Spradlin’s alliance humiliated the men on her season as well

          • Hornacek

            To be fair, the men on that season did a lot of that humiliation themselves.

          • Diego Armando

            Gender split seasons help that out.

          • There has been more then one. The most recent was the Beauty Girls alliance which only got stopped by an unfortunate swap. The thing is sadly there needs to be majority of women by the time twelve people are left in the game to really work. And in most circumstances that does’t happen.

          • gouis

            You know why

          • the sky is falling

            Tapping out, gender politics bum me out. I just want crazy players like Coach and Phillip. watch the show for fun.

          • gouis

            You asked!

          • the sky is falling

            Yeah, I always forget to bow out when the subject arises. My bad

          • Well to bad you take your Ryans and your Dr. Mikes and you will tolerate them.

          • the sky is falling

            Dr mike still has promise. He is in the vein of Cochran and Dave Wright.

          • the sky is falling

            Ryan tries too hard

          • Prom King

            Except Philip is not fun!

          • StormofCuteness

            Umm, there were at least two (Micronesia and One World) where it was all women in the finals.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Wouldn’t that have been an awesome wrench in the plans if JP was like, “Sweet, let’s get out Ryan!” and was all gung-ho about it? And then Chrissy had to scramble off in the other direction.

        • Blurry Denzel

          Would’ve been amazing if he was just like Ali and Roark seem super smart and likable and are good in challenges and they would be great to work with.

          • Maritimer

            I think that’s a much longer thought than he’s capable of articulating

        • Prom King

          Ugh that would mean one interesting player out and we’re stuck with Roark. A nightmare!

        • Hornacek

          JP doesn’t seem gung-ho about anything.

      • Alycia Swift

        It did for Chris Daughtry.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          Still hurts.

        • Hornacek

          Chris didn’t choose to work with a bunch of women*. It was foisted on him because all the other men were voted out. At the swap he wanted to work with some women, but he was still with a few men.

          * What’s the technical name for a group of women? A murder of crows, a parliament of owls …

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Didn’t Jeremy do that in SJDS?

        • Blurry Denzel

          Yeah, other guys would’ve have dove head first into a Keith, Jon, Drew alliance.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            And that season even had tribes start off with a majority of men.

          • Hornacek

            Even with all the advantages, men still can’t win!

    • StormofCuteness

      Yeah, I thought Roark had more of a reason to be annoyed by Chrissy since she did offer twice to switch in during the challenge and she was turned down.

  • Conclusion: Ryan’s mummy issues outweigh Ryan’s desire to get laid.

    • gouis

      Even Ryan has to know he has less than zero shot with Ali.

      • His type NEVER accept that.

        • gouis

          FAIR

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          You beat me to replying that he ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT

        • purplerockandy

          Nice guys like him never have a chance.

    • Kent McK

      He could of either voted out one of his close allies or someone he didn’t want to work with. Seems like a no brainer. He has at least three days to get Ali back on his side; she has nowhere to go.

    • Maritimer

      His inevitable blindside is going to be epic. I hope its led by Chrissy

      • I would also accept Ali. But yes.

        • Maritimer

          I like the irony of being betrayed by someone he betrayed Ali for. But spurned Ali knifing him would also be a lot of fun

    • Hornacek

      A bellhop leads a lonely life. Their job is their mistress.

  • gouis

    I feel like they were so disappointed last season that they’re at least editing this season so that all the ‘boring’ people go home first and we’re left with the actual players (whether or not they’re actually good).

  • Mike Hirsch

    I’m not a big fan of Chrissy, but she did what was necessary to stay in the game. So, good for her. Her desire to be the alpha is flying directly in the face of Ali’s alpha status, though, and that dog ain’t gonna hunt.
    (“That dog ain’t gonna hunt” courtesy of Wade Garrett, Road House.)

    • Hornacek

      Jimmy: Prepare to die
      Dalton: You are such an asshole.

  • Diego Armando

    Chrissy seems fun to be around.

  • Diego Armando

    Seriously Ryan, why Chrissy? If you have to betray someone, make it the person you are voting out in the pre-Merge. Now you have pissed off Ali for a much weaker ally in Chrissy. Maybe he thinks (likely correctly) that he could beat Chrissy in front of a jury?

    • Kingoftonga

      I’ll give Chrissy credit for that scramble, but she seems…erratic? Tone deaf? Narrowly focused? I can’t put my finger on it but something seems off about her gameplay. I’m not sure why Ryan was willing to sacrifice so much to keep her around. I thought maybe he let Ali know beforehand, but the preview shows that’s not the case.

      • Diego Armando

        I mean good for Chrissy. I just don’t think this was good for Ryan.

      • I have a slight suspicion that when she was palling around with the handsome, heroic marine, we all liked Chrissy more than when her primary associate was…Ryan. I wonder why that could be.

        • Mike Hirsch

          Her tofu-ness is showing.

        • Diego Armando

          One is more charming than the other.

        • the sky is falling

          Agreed. I feel like her association with obvious nice guy winner Ben painted Chrissy in a good light. I mean Ben is humble and wise. Really rooting for him now

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Prejudice? A quick scroll through the comments shows a group of people who hate the service industry.

        • Prom King

          I think I’m the only person on the site who is not in on this whole Chrissy Sucks thing. As far as I can see, she’s been a compelling player and character since jump. She reminds me of a more aggressive Lisa Whelchel.

          • That might be a good comp. I thought keeping that idol to herself at the beginning was a perfectly acceptable move (not the right move, not the wrong move, just acceptable). The show has given her a lot of attention, so I’m still waiting for her to deliver in a way that justifies that attention.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I was fine with her until this episode. Also, given the Andy taunts, I think we have more Chrissy fans than people who don’t like her.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I’m with you, Emma – I liked her until the last 15 minutes of this episode. The “I’m outsmarting miss smarty pants” comment didn’t sit well with me. And again, while I respect that the move worked, it just doesn’t make me feel great. But it worked, and it was smart, so I can’t really criticize her for it.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Even though everything Chrissy was saying at tribal was technically accurate, I thought she came off as pissy and full of excuses. And I say that as someone who is actually rooting for her.

        • Prom King

          I thought the exact opposite: that she was technically inaccurate in replies to both Ali and Roark, and yet appeared to easily put them in their place. They didn’t sound like excuses to me, they sounded like she successfully defended herself against spurious attacks.

          Also I just find the idea of an older woman subtly and sometimes not so subtly asserting herself – successfully – to be so appealing. I’m surprised PRP people are not more on board with this.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I agree, but I don’t think she seemed pissy or arrogant except for maybe “OK, I have no further comment.” I’m not saying she handled it great, but once you’re put on the defensive at tribal it’s tough to fight back without seeming hostile.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I think there’s a trade off.

      If you vote off Chrissy, your hands are pretty clean moving forward; vote off Roark and you still have to deal with a pissed off Ali.

      But if you think you that Ali is only voting with you out of convenience whereas Chrissy wants to play and strategize with you, that blurs the line a bit more.

      • Diego Armando

        But he theoretically has a better read on Ali, having spent more time with her and he now has to attempt to patch things over, which Chrissy might make difficult.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Another thing to consider is whether Ryan thinks the Hustlers can help him post-merge. Both Devon and Lauren are on their own on the other tribes. Will they even be around to vote with him? Will he need to latch onto the Heroes or Healers? Does this vote affect his inroads in that regard?

          • Diego Armando

            Roark does potentially have more allies than Chrissy.

          • StormofCuteness

            Well, she did. Sigh.

          • Diego Armando

            I think there is a good chance this works out for him, but I’m not sure it was a good move.

          • I think the amount of screentime Ryan and Chrissy have got might seem to hint at that yes.

      • Kingoftonga

        But I don’t think Ali was just voting with him out of convenience. She stuck with him over Patrick and gave a confessional where she asserted her desire to keep Ryan even if he sucked at challenges.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Maybe “out of convenience” was poor wording. But if you’re Ryan, which person seems like they’re more likely to view you as a long term partner? That’s the key question I was getting at. And Ryan has to know that the Hustlers tribe was a mix of nut jobs and losers. So he knows Ali didn’t have a lot of options.

          • NearlyNina

            I agree with what you’re trying to say (or at least what I think you’re saying!). Chrissy is in an emotional alliance with Ryan. She believes they have a bond. Whereas Ali is in a strategic only alliance with him and is constantly looking for better options and her own side numbers. That’s dangerous because at some point there’s going to be conflict.

        • Prom King

          She actually convinced Ryan to go for Patrick rather than Lauren. Inexplicable to me. She could have had both.

      • indescribable hat

        I think maybe the cool-shiny-fun-ness of the advantage got to him and he didn’t want to give up on the clever plans he’d made.

        • It sort of reminds me of Tocantins, and the secret Exile Alliance. That wasn’t.

          • indescribable hat

            Yeah, you feel like you have to seize the opportunity when they drop it in your lap like that!

        • Maritimer

          I think so too

    • NearlyNina

      I mean at the end of the day you have to think long-term, you have to think about numbers, and you have to think about where you stand in regards to the numbers. One of the biggest issues to move forward in the game will be the healers.

      The healer tribe at this point was a huge threat. So, it makes sense to vote out Roark to whittle down the numbers. An issue with that would be then you’re in a 2-2 split except he has Chrissy on his side, so he doesn’t need to worry about that.

      Sure, on a simplistic level it makes sense to burn the person you’re voting out, but then Ryan is left in a tribe with JP who he presumably also just backstabbed, Roark who doesn’t appear to have made any connection to him, and Ali who’s just made a new best friend and created an in into the healers tribe with Ryan as a tag-a-long. He’s basically giving up power and hoping everyone else will keep him around and include him. Is it really in his best interest for him to give up his ally in exchange for Ali’s?

      This way he has to deal with a potential Ali blow-up, but:
      1. He weakens the healers
      2. He keeps his alliance partner in Chrissy
      3. He keeps JP on his side
      4. He weakens any chance of a healer/girls alliance
      5. He sets himself in a position in the merge to be in control of a group of numbers rather than be someone elses number
      6. He keeps Ali subordinate, as his number, rather than acquiescing to a situation where he becomes her number. At the end of the day, you don’t actually want your alliance partners to be too active and well-connected because then they can use that momentum and those connections against you.

      As long as he’s able to smooth over the situation with Ali, he’s in a much better situation than otherwise. And even if he can’t win her back over, what is she going to do about it? He has the other 2 on his side and once they get to a merge her only option to move against him in the short term would be to go with the healers which 1. she was already planning to do, and 2. she’ll now have to deal with the consequences of Roark being voted out whether she did it or not.

      • Prom King

        This is all so well-said!

        • NearlyNina

          Aww thanks!

      • Crappy

        He could have brought Ali in over the plan to vote out Roark. She may not have been happy about it but she is a smart player and would have gone with the majority. I agree it was in Ryan’s interest to keep Chrissy over Roark but he did not have to burn Ali like that over it.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I agree. In fact, it’s strange that it wasn’t an easy, no-drama 4-1 vote the entire time.

          • Crappy

            I think that is mainly down to Ali connecting better with Roark than Chrissy. If not for the the whole super idol thing, I believe chrissy indeed would have been the one getting boot this episode. Numbers dictate that the threat of 6 healers at the merge is a big factor but alliance based on actual connects almost always wins out over a mish mash one on numbers alone.

        • Maritimer

          Yup. You have to bring Ali in there. Though on the other hand, you need a clear next target and he just made it Ali. He should have tried to extract a promise from Chrissy that it’s JP next

        • Hornacek

          Ryan doesn’t know if Ali or Roark has an idol. Why take the chance and tell Ali what you’re doing before tribal?

          • purplerockandy

            Because she’s your longest ally and sometimes you need to trust them?

          • Hornacek

            True, but as far as Ryan knew, Ali had already made up her mind to keep Roark and vote out Chrissy. Ali wasn’t saying “Well, it’s either Chrissy or Roark, which one do you think?” Ali said they had to align with Roark and vote out Chrissy. When you’re allied with someone, if you want player A to be voted out instead of player B, shouldn’t you talk to your ally like you haven’t made up your mind yet and try to get them to decided to vote out player A? In this episode it didn’t seem like Ali and Ryan were partners – Ali thought she was making all the decisions and she told Ryan “This is what we’re doing.”

          • Crappy

            He can’t view Ali in such an adversarial position so early in the game. If Ali finds out via Ryan that he is adamant on voting our Roark, it is not in her best interest to still side with Roark. Best scenario for him was to keep Chrissy and also maintain a good relationship with Ali. IMO it is better to risk Ali going rouge + unexpected Roark idol play than ruin a potentially key relationship this early on.

          • Hornacek

            Ali was the one coming to him saying “We are voting out Chrissy. We are aligning with Roark.” She didn’t ask Ryan what he thought about it and make the decision together. Seems to me that Ali was the one being adamant. Ryan probably didn’t see Ali as an adversary, but the way she was acting he probably didn’t see her as an equal alliance partner – he likely felt like he was working for her instead of working with her.

        • NearlyNina

          Yeah, no, definitely. The absolute right move imo was to vote out Roark, but Ryan should have convinced Ali to go with the vote instead of burning her.

    • Alycia Swift

      Thats what I’m thinking. While I like her – she might piss others off with the arrogance. Tony had Trish to do cleanup. Who would do that for Chrissy?

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Not voting out the person he betrayed is definitely a problem, but Ryan now has a ride-or-die ally and a pocket vote. If they go to tribal again Ali’s an easy boot. If he had gone the other way Ryan would have much less control, and would himself be in danger if they go to tribal again.

      • purplerockandy

        Why would he be in danger if he voted out Chrissy? From whom?

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          This is admittedly very speculative, but I don’t think Ali and Ryan are really all that tight except out of necessity. In a Ryan/Ali/Roark/JP tribe, in another three days Ali and Roark could very well decide they’d rather work with each other, and if they go to tribal again with the merge coming up they could pull in JP to get rid of Ryan.

          • Hornacek

            I don’t think that Ali feels like she and Ryan are partners in this alliance. I think she thinks she’s the boss and she’s telling Ryan what they’re doing. Notice she told him that they were aligning with Roark and voting out Chrissy – she didn’t ask him “What do you think? Which one should we vote out?”

          • purplerockandy

            I suppose. Not the impression I’ve been getting from the 5 episodes we’ve seen them together, nor is it reflected in anything Ryan himself has said, but it’s possible.

          • Hornacek

            We’ve gotten lots of scenes of Ryan and Ali strategizing together, but it feels like more often than not, Ali doesn’t ask him “What do you think we should do?”, she says “I think we should vote out this person” or “We’re voting out this person.”

            We know that the best thing for Ali to do is go to Ryan and ask him “Who do you want to vote out?” and if he says the person Ali wants, then she agrees, but if he says someone else then Ali should discuss it with him and try to convince him to change his mind in a way that Ryan feels like it was his decision. Either way, Ryan feels like they equally made the decision. It’s not always possible, but it keeps the other person from feeling like they have no say in the alliance.

          • purplerockandy

            Not my read at all. Agree to disagree I suppose.

          • Hornacek

            Maybe I missed all the scenes where Ali went to Ryan and they discussed something before they made a decision together.

  • corndogshuffle

    This whole Ali being pissed off at Ryan thing is gonna make things super awkward for my champions league team…

    • I gonna need that to happen with my team being JP and Chrissy.

      • corndogshuffle

        jersey_luck vs. corndogshuffle. Two teams enter. One survives.

        Unless the most statistically likely thing happens and a different tribe goes to TC, that is.

        • I shall continue to root for your unavoidable failure. Or for Soko to win first place in one these damn challenges.

          • corndogshuffle

            It’s early… we should form a secret alliance and raise hell until we literally have to take each other out.

          • All right, lets start with Matt and go from there.

          • corndogshuffle

            Deal. Time to kick some ass!

          • Purplerockmatt

            Yeah let’s get Mark!

          • corndogshuffle

            There’s a Matt *and* a Mark? How many other PRP staff are y’all hiding from us?

          • indescribable hat

            Well I hear there’s an Emily somewhere…

          • Hornacek

            She’s very astute.

      • Oh right! JP! I forgot that guy was on my team, because I forget that he’s on the show.

        • Are you daring to say you do not remember what a power couple he and Ashley were?

  • Blurry Denzel

    Desi appreciation hour: She was a beast in the challenge. She seems to be in a really good spot on her tribe. She has the one confessional so she is not completely invisible. Also, she somehow has gotten more gorgeous.

    • gouis

      The perfect John bait

      • sharculese

        Not until she finds a terrible hat.

      • I’m a simple man.

    • the sky is falling

      She was topless in this episode. But also a solid outing, game wise

      • gouis

        Simmer down.

      • She sure was. I was happy for Team Desi; y’all earned it after another iconic episode of Survivor: Wet Boxer Briefs.

        • Maritimer

          Cole may be a doofus and JP may not have a personality, but I still want to send flowers to whoever made the no bathing suits decision this year

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      SHE’S SO PRETTY

      • Blurry Denzel

        There is about a zero percent chance of this happening but if she showed up to KIA, I may faint on the spot. You may need to catch me.

        • Violina23

          Just imagine if Aubry was there too….

        • Alycia Swift

          Well how many of us are going to be there to do it.

          • Blurry Denzel

            By my count there are about 8 PRP affiliated people going.

          • Alycia Swift

            Yay. I made arrangements to work in ny that day

          • Blurry Denzel

            Sweet.

          • Kemper Boyd

            You got a ticket? You wanna come to dinner wth us?

          • Alycia Swift

            Yes, I did. I was planning to but did not know the details yet. I’ve been out of the loop b/c I was moving and just did not have time to keep up.

            I’ve moved. I’m back.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Ok, I’ll add you to our twitter chat. I’ve got a spare so if you know of someone who needs another let me know. that goes for evryone.

          • Whoa! PRP crowd representing!

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Did you hear who the special guest is going to be? Did you literally faint?

          • Blurry Denzel

            I have heard. I thought meeting my favorite player would be a once in a lifetime opportunity but the idea that I could actually meet Cirie again has me extremely pumped.

      • SO PRETTY!

      • StormofCuteness

        I mean…wow. She and Ali are just staggeringly beautiful to me.

    • Kent McK

      Desi definitely does not skip leg day.

    • She also used “literally and figuratively” in a confessional. That, combined with Ali’s shockingly poor performance in this episode, are moving Desi up the rankings.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        I thought of you when she said that.

  • Diego Armando

    I’m calling it: in addition to store brand David & Ken (Ryan & Devon), Tony (Joe) and Jon Misch (The other dude), we now have expired store brand Kass (Chrissy).

    • Mike Hirsch

      I think the shelf-life for Chrissy is about right.

      • the sky is falling

        She will be a mid post merge boot

        • Mike Hirsch

          I just meant in terms of being expired Kass. I think you’re right on placement, though I could see her going deep. She won’t be anywhere near as entertaining as Kass, though.

          • I have to root for Champions League but I will say she has more personality then my other guy.

          • StormofCuteness

            She is no Kass, I agree!

          • Diego Armando

            I meant in terms of personality.

    • the sky is falling

      Mike is the David. Ryan is no david

      • Diego Armando

        Yeah, but his partnership with handsome dude made this an easier comparison. I think he is poor mans Rob. C.

        • the sky is falling

          Much better comparison

      • gouis

        Simmer down

      • Mike Hirsch

        Mike is Kyle’s cousin Kyle from South Park.

        • Blurry Denzel

          I can never not see that now.

          • Mike Hirsch

            I’m waiting for him to squeak “Oh my glasses!” at some crucial point of a challenge.

          • Blurry Denzel

            They need to have a baseball challenge now.

          • Mike Hirsch

            One of my all time favorite South Park moments is Kyle 2 stepping up to bat.

          • Alkanarra

            You guys are blowing my mind right now.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Just wait until pleaseletitworkagain, pleaseletitworkagain, pleaseletitworkagain!!

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            GO Astros!

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Go Astros!!

        • Alycia Swift

          He reminds me of Eugene from Grease.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            It’s nice to be reminded that there are folks my age around here every once in a while.

          • Alycia Swift

            Or Mandark from Dexters Laboratory (same actor.)

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            And Wargames, Zapped, Midnight Madness, and Lazerblast. Great character actor.

          • Alycia Swift

            My hubby met him and has a signed photo.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            That’s really cool. Eddie Deezen. I did not have to look that up, either.

          • Alycia Swift

            Neither did I.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            You know they rereleased Grease in the 90s.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            That’s a very foggy time in my life.

        • Diego Armando

          You win everything.

    • NearlyNina

      Ryan reminds me of Todd a lot more. Chrissy is far more Carolyn than Kass.

    • StormofCuteness

      I don’t see Chrissy as a Kass at all. Kass was far more entertaining and fun to watch her mind work. Her confessionals were fantastic.

      • Diego Armando

        I think she is all of Kass’s bizarre aggression towards other players without her sense of humor.

        • StormofCuteness

          Hrm, I didn’t find Kass’s aggression bizarre the 2nd time I watched though.

          • Prom King

            And I don’t see any bizarre aggression from Chrissy. Just a person reacting to another person’s weirdly smug style.

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    Just watched the show, read the live blog, and finished the first round of comments. Wow. Very little love for bellhops around here.

    • Screw those luggage lifting losers.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Thank you, but that’s not necessary. A small bit of monetary compensation will suffice.

        • Why not both?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Honestly that kind of offer is rarely extended. We’re bellhops, John. We aren’t multi-national podcasters!

          • Ah, forgive me for living in my podcaster’s bubble, where seemingly every week I receive another Indecent Proposal-style offer. I’d gotten so accustomed to them I assumed such offers were common across other industries as well.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            We just smoke a lot of weed by the dumpsters.

          • StormofCuteness

            Sounds about right.

          • NearlyNina

            Because the johns are already paying someone for that and the sex-workers charge. I mean no one else uses hotels right?

    • Kingoftonga

      Is the Bellhop Mafia going to come after us if we don’t show proper respect?

      • Taako From Teevhii

        It’s called a union.

        (and that’s a joke, I’m not against unions)

    • Hornacek

      Is there love for bellhops anywhere else?

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Yes, but that love is generally centered around hotels.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Go Astros. Please.

    • Blurry Denzel

      Co-sign. It would be great if they can take a game in LA.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Woooooooo!

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    I don’t think I’ve ever laughed so hard at a “next time on” XD

    • It was Cole fainting that did it, right?

      • Roswulf

        For me as well.

        Cole has firmly crossed the line that makes me thing of him as a cartoon character, not a human.

        And cartoon pratfalls are the best.

        • Hornacek

          I mean, it looked like Cole fainted, he didn’t trip over his own feet. How was Cole fainting funny and any of the others players that have fainted on Survivor not funny?

          Don’t get me wrong, people falling down is almost always funny. But once you realize that they fell down because they fainted, it kinda stops being funny. These are extreme examples, but I don’t remember laughing at Russell S fainting in Samoa, or any of the 3 in Kaoh Rong’s challenge-of-death.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            It sounded like he hit his head pretty hard on that bamboo as well. I fainted once and got a concussion when the back of my head hit the concrete. It took almost a month for the swelling to go down.

          • Hornacek

            But you were carrying bags to rooms the very next day, right?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Yeah, but I had to wear my hat at a jaunty angle.

          • Hornacek

            I might actually tip because of that.

          • StormofCuteness

            The hat, not the injury, right?

          • Hornacek

            I can’t resist a jauntily-angled hat.

          • Roswulf

            Oh you are entirely right. I’m not defending my laughter at Cole’s medical condition.

            But did I laugh dear reader? Oh I did.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Oh yeah, big time

    • Mike Hirsch

      RIP, Cole.

      • Hornacek

        Ashley would like to rip Cole … ‘s clothes off.

  • Kent McK

    So much Chrissy hate. I don’t get it all. Nothing more entertaining than someone playing super arrogant and playing well.

    • She’s doing fine. I don’t hate on her. I thought she did a decent job in this episode. I think certain people on the internet have been giving her too much credit so far. At least tonight she earned a bit of it.

      And I definitely have no problem with arrogance if it’s earned.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Like if someone was arrogant after winning the Champions League without the winner on their team?

        • Can you imagine if that ever happened? That would be insane.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Anybody that could pull that off would be pretty amazing. A “triple-threat” if you will.

          • I will not.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            You’re like Scot and Jason at Ponderosa. Bitter!

          • Hornacek

            Is “bellhop” one of the three facets of that triple-threat?

      • StormofCuteness

        I’m probably bitter because I lost Roark, but Chrissy clearly lied about the challenge where I saw Roark offer to take over more than once and was shot down. I think also the scene that Taako showed of Chrissy also didn’t do her any favors. I had liked her prior to her being so mean spirited towards another smart woman though.

    • Alycia Swift

      And usually it’s a guy.

    • Roswulf

      I personally don’t find super arrogance in and of itself entertaining. What’s entertaining is arrogance coupled with wit, or arrogance that drives a player to do exciting things.

      For the perfect embodiment of such arrogance, see Sandra last season.

      Crissy is driven by her arrogance to say banal mean things and to make conservative choices. There are many things more entertaining than that! Cole being a buffoon, for instance!

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        So would you say that Chrissy is more like Peter from Koah Rong?

    • Prom King

      FINALLY I got to a comment that aligns with what I saw tonight. Thank you!

  • Maritimer

    Is it just me or does this season continue to be bland as hell. The strategy is basic, the characters are basic. Cole and Ben are the most intriguing male players and Cole for all the wrong reasons. I can barely name half the women other than Chrissy, Ali, and occasionally Ashley. Its weird

    • Blurry Denzel

      How can you not remember Desi?

      • Maritimer

        She seems interesting! I would like to see more than 5 seconds of her an episode, but when that’s all I say, my brain loses that info fast

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Joe, though horrible, is interesting enough television (as was Alan). Ryan and Chrissy are doing things. It’s not great, but… Okay? Maybe it is a bland season.

      • Maritimer

        Right Joe. I was kind of excluding Alan since he’s gone. It is okay. If it continues on this path, it may rival Panama as our “replacement level Survivor” baseline. Last couple of seasons, since I’ve been commenting here, I’ve come to the liveblog after the episode with lots to say. This season, I have very little to say. No burning opinions or anything to get off my chest

        • Alycia Swift

          Ditto. I haven’t been posting much and have not done it live yet.

        • sharculese

          The thing about Panama is that while it’s a relatively bland game it has the greatest tribe of all time. None of these fools could hack it on Casaya.

          Okay, Mike, but only because Shane needs someone to keep an eye on his dong.

          • Maritimer

            Yeah, this season right now would come behind Panama, but I think would replace it as our benchmark for replacement level

          • Max_Jets

            It could end up as the inverse of Panama, with a blander cast but a more exciting game.

          • Maritimer

            That’s entirely possible. I do hope a couple of these players do break through as good characters as well as players though

          • Hornacek

            Let’s be fair – half of the Panama cast (minus Terry) were supremely boring. It was the dysfunctional tribe of Shane, Courtney, Cirie, BobDawg, etc that made that season so enjoyable.

          • Alycia Swift

            OMG – replace Cirie with Mike in that scene where Shane needs someone to examine him.

          • Hornacek

            Dr. Mike definitely wouldn’t have laughed at Shane.

    • Alycia Swift

      It is not just you.

    • StormofCuteness

      Hmm, I like way more players than usual and loved the last episode. Guess I’m not sure what you want. Also, I just rewatched One World so this is about a trillion times better than that.

      Also, Ryan and Mike are also interesting male players because they actually have minds and personalities.

      • Maritimer

        Ryan I’ll give you. Mike seems like he might be interesting if they let him back on the show

        • StormofCuteness

          Confuzzled. Mike was on the show a lot last night.

    • NearlyNina

      Yeah it’s pretty boring so far. There are threads of narrative that hopefully will coalesce into something eventually, but so far it’s been pretty bland and I don’t really care about any of them. I also have no idea what each team is called or kind of who’s on them? I usually know this kind of stuff, but I’m just meh atm.

      That being said I thought episode 3 was pretty hilarious, but it’s been boring since.

      • Maritimer

        Yeah, I still hold out hope that groundwork is being laid and great things are going to happen. Even watching challenges, when they focused in on specific players, I had to think hard about who their teammates were

        • NearlyNina

          Yup, me too. The worst was when Jeff would refer to them by the tribe names and I’d just be sitting there going I don’t who that is Jeff!

          • Maritimer

            Sometimes he refers to people by their people names and I have the same reaction

          • the sky is falling

            ‘people names’ is great

      • Hornacek

        The tribe names are Blue, Red and Yellow.

        • NearlyNina

          I have no idea who’s on what tribe and what they’re called.
          All through the challenge Jeff was doing his whole Tribe X is in the lead, or oh no Tribe Y is having trouble , and I’m like I don’t who that is!!!

          • the sky is falling

            Yeah, its always a rough transition from being called Healer tribe to post-swap, being called tribe name we have never heard. Same

    • Max_Jets

      I was really feeling the last couple episodes, but this one dampened my excitement. It’s probably partly the departure of my beloved Alan, but I also think these 4 and 5 person tribes are just kind of boring and don’t give us much to work with. I need the merge to come.

      • Super duper fan

        Jessica is quickly becoming Adam-level rootable player for me. And I LOVED Adam, so that’s saying something.

        • Alycia Swift

          The big difference is Adam’s screwups or bad plays were his own primarily) Jessica’s are b/c of Cole.

      • Maritimer

        That might be it. There just aren’t enough different people interacting in these small tribes and that’s keeping it from being interesting.

        Jessica is interesting to watch, but I’m having a bit of trouble investing in her story since the show keeps insisting she’s just “the girl who likes Cole”

        • Alycia Swift

          Sort of like Hannah was the “girl who is flirting with Ken.”

          • Maritimer

            Right. Both people who are so much more than that and the show should acknowledge that

      • Mike Hirsch

        Agree on Jessica.

    • the sky is falling

      This season is turning into what you’d get if the real Survivors went on strike and were replaced with almost identical players, but not quite tournament level. They are… fine…. mostly. Keep hope alive. Not the worst season ever I suppose.

      Not to say I’m not enjoying several of the players, just something odd is afoot.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        The contestants this season are like the cousins of Bo and Luke Duke.

        • Hornacek

          Coy and Vance!

          (I didn’t have to look that up; I keep waiting for that to be a question at trivia night – still waiting)

      • Maritimer

        Fine is exactly the word. Nobody is generating strong like. Nobody is generating strong hate (not even Joe or Ryan, oddly). I still have hope it could be good

      • Hornacek

        Instead of promoting a movie on the season, this time they are taking an existing movie and adapting it for the season.

        Survivor: The Replacements.

  • Maritimer

    Also, @disqus_FeYRrg1QKY:disqus to answer your question in the liveblog (I didn’t see an answer below, but I apologize if that’s because Disqus sucks), yes JP is island hot. Island is improving both his and Devon’s looks while actually hurting Coles. I think my new ranking is JP>Devon>Cole

    • Alycia Swift

      I’d switch Devon and Jp.

      • StormofCuteness

        I find Ben the hottest of them all. Rawr.

        • Alycia Swift

          I’d actually put him above JP. But I’d also put Patrick above JP.

          • StormofCuteness

            I just can’t get over the personality thing with both of them. I put Alan after Ben, personally.

      • NearlyNina

        I feel like JP is such a non-entity I can barely even remember what he looks like ever. Devon’s a cutie though, I’m feeling it.

      • Maritimer

        That’s legit. They’re pretty close for me. If I was including personality, Devon would be far and away ahead given that he has one

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      Thank you. I thought so, but I wasn’t sure and had to plead gay

    • Max_Jets

      Ben might be at the top of the list after recent eliminations, and not even allowing him a spot at the bottom of your list is very inflammatory! JP is looking great though.

      • StormofCuteness

        Ben! Ben! Ben!

      • Maritimer

        Ben is just not my type

    • Parvatis2Idols

      Devon’s vacant look really does him in for me…JP is def island hot, I think I’d switch Cole and Devon.

      • Maritimer

        The vacant look is partially what does it for me. We won’t talk about what that might say about me

  • Violina23

    Jeremy “liked” my comment about him performing the reward challenge in shiny oil. My (crummy) day has been made.

    I was feeling very down and tweeting with you guys was a good pick me up.
    *cue Golden Girls Theme *

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      That’s an okay theme, but it’s no Diff’rent Strokes.

    • StormofCuteness

      I wanted to thank you for the Hamilton tweet. In a moment of synchronicity, I am wearing my Hamilton shirt from when I saw it on Broadway in January for my 50th. So, you made me giddy clap.

      In other news, it has been 104, 105, 101 degrees the last three days, and I am very irritable.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        It’s supposed to be in the high 60s next week and I’m very excited. We might even get rain next Friday! Remember rain?

        • StormofCuteness

          Oh my god, rain? Sweet November rain? *oh my god we are just putting the stain on the patio furniture for the wedding*

          I don’t know how to feel!

          • Judson Helland

            Shut up about rain! I live in the pacific northwest

          • StormofCuteness

            Do you really want our heat and wildfires?

          • Hornacek

            If you have heat and wildfires for over 4 hours, see Dr. Mike.

          • Hornacek

            It’s like raaaaaaiiiiiiinnnnnn
            on your wedding day …

          • StormofCuteness

            You are so Canadian.

          • Hornacek

            Thank you for the compliment.

      • forever1267

        “Some Like It Hot and some sweat when the Heat is On!”

        • Hornacek

          #1 on my list of Best Duran Duran spin-off bands (it’s only a 2-item list).

          • forever1267

            That whole album was Bossa Nova licious!

      • Violina23

        I STILL HAVE NOT seen Hamilton. Which annoys me because i’m a huge broadway fan and loved it before it was “cool”. I enter the digital lottery daily, but the odds are not in my favor.

        I think my kids would be kinda pissed if I stopped paying for their dance classes so I can see Hamilton.

        And for the record, my 7 year old knows more lyrics than I do. You should hear her do “Guns and Ships”

        • StormofCuteness

          It was, hands down, the most expensive tickets I have ever bought. Definitely worth it for me, but I totally understand.

          That said, you can be on email when new regular priced tickets go on sale and get pre-warnings. Still, you never know with the lottery!

          • Violina23

            Apparently they are getting sucked up the second they go on sale. Hopefully someday…

        • StormofCuteness

          PS It’s adorable that your daughter can do that song! There’s a part in the show where the audience is encouraged to sing along, and it’s awesome. (I was doing it silently the whole time already.)

          • Violina23

            I’m assuming that’s “you’ll be back” 😊

          • StormofCuteness

            La di da de da de da de de dum dum

  • sharculese

    Every time I see Devon in a blue buff it takes me a minute for me to remember that he wasn’t always on the heroes because these tribes are such a slurry.

    And now there are some cool looking bugs.

  • sharculese

    Can someone explain these Chili’s is back commercials? Did Chili’s go somewhere?

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Yeah. They went to shit about 25 years ago.

      • sharculese

        Chili’s used to be good?

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          They also used to serve chili.

    • Roswulf

      Well, they used to have a catchy jingle, and now THAT is back.

      I know nothing about their food.

    • They went to Twitter to not-quite-correctly-but-certainly-admirably attempt to explain healthcare to people.

    • Hornacek

      Wait … Chilis’s wasn’t just a made-up restaurant for The Office?

      • sharculese

        It’s real and it’s spectacular.

        No but seriously, it’s a mid-priced bar and grill chain. Nothing special but they’re everywhere and it’s a convenient place to go if you have a good-sized group of people trying to get a sit-down meal but not necessarily the same kind of food.

        • StormofCuteness

          Psst, was the beginning a take on a Seinfeld episode? If so, Yay!

          • sharculese

            If you’re reading the Purp and you think it’s a Seinfeld reference (especially if it involves Hornacek or I) it’s probably a Seinfeld reference.

  • sharculese

    Maybe it’s the pigtails, but Roark is like Baylor on Adderall.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      After having no real opinion of her whatsoever, tonight’s tribal council made me realize I didn’t much like her anyhow.

      • Head Architect Sylvia

        But her snarls and passive aggressive comments were I C O N I C #redditdarling

        • Oh no, we’re getting “Roark is a robbed goddess”, aren’t we?

          Oh no, I’m going to do “Roark is a robbed goddess”, aren’t I?

  • StormofCuteness

    Before I read anything, I just want to say, you were all right, and I was wrong. Thank you for inviting me to the Outcast’s League which I am now the first one out of and oh yeah, I had Roark on every league so I am bad at this. Also, this sucks.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      It sucks that you’re out first. I had fun playing against you. Your *glares* will honestly be missed. Feel free to stick around and root against @purperockjohn:disqus though.

      *hugs*

      I will have to go back to being mean tomorrow, however. Just a forewarning.

      • StormofCuteness

        I understand, and I am still pro-Ryan, Jessica, and Ben so we can at least unite for bellhops!

        *hugs*

    • NearlyNina

      I only played in one of the pick-2 leagues for Second Chances and I had Stephen and Peih-gee, so I feel your pain. It was a shit-show. At times literally…

    • Mike Hirsch

      If it helps, I came back for Game Changers after getting eliminated early in MvGX and won!

      • StormofCuteness

        It does help, but it would mean being invited back. 😓

    • Bright side: Because of Roark being on Healers, she got you a lot of points before leaving. Not a lot of early boots can say that.

      • Diego Armando

        Somehow, our two person league is doing the opposite of how it went last year.

        • I suspect Game Changers stole my mojo away.

          • Diego Armando

            I stole your strategy of picking people who I think will score points, not who I like. Oddly enough, Mike, Lauren and Ashley have worked out well for us.

      • StormofCuteness

        This is true, and I admit to still having hope for my pick-4 team. Thanks for cheering me up!

        • It’s not like I need cheering up as well or anything.

          • StormofCuteness

            *Bigger hugs* I am so sorry for your loss as well.

          • It’s all good.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      We can still have a last place party in the Outcast League, at least until Chrissy goes on an epic individual immunity run and I rocket to first place (jk…sigh).

      • StormofCuteness

        You’re right! I will always have 1st time=last place and that makes me a winner! *shifty eyes*

  • purplerockandy

    Can’t decide yet if we have enough material to discuss to get through an hour on the podcast, so I will tentatively open the mailbag. Fire us any questions here, on Twitter, or via email about the episode, the season, the series, the podcast itself, or… anything. If we like the questions or need them, we will use them.

    • What is your favorite idol play?

      In honor of Ben’s big moment that was totally spoiled by the previews, what is your favorite Survivor personal moment (excluding family visits)?

      • Parvatis2Idols

        this might be obvious based on my username but Parvati using her two idols on Jerri and Sandra. it’s literally iconic in every sense of the word

    • sharculese

      Worst Survivor sequel: Fan vs. Favorites II, Blood vs. Water II, or Will Sims II?

      Serious question: Now that it looks like random gimmick advantages are going to be with us for the foreseeable future, what’s an advantage you’d like to see used, or is this all so context specific that it doesn’t matter so long as one out of 3 of them causes drama?

      • Hornacek

        What about Brains vs. Beauty vs. Brawn II?

        • sharculese

          I think it’s a better season than the other two and rule of 3s.

          • BadPlayer91

            fuck yea rule of 3s.

    • NearlyNina

      Maybe a discussion of the synergistic war/soldier advertising happening during the commercials with Seal with the guy from Angel, that war movie they advertised, even SWAT with Shemar Moore. Might be a little too political, though?

      • sharculese

        I’m not sure Andy saw that stuff.

        • NearlyNina

          Yeah the commercials often depend on your location. Also on if you’re actually watching the commercials or not.

        • Hornacek

          In Canada we usually get lots of commercials for Apple Auto Glass and Permacrete.

    • Judson Helland

      You’re in charge of a survivor season. You are required to have a theme and at least one non-idol advantage. What does your season look like? How many tribes start out? How many swaps? When do they merge? What twists do you have? Basically, create a season you think would be fun/unique / dramatic

      • Hornacek

        Choose Your Own Survivor Season!

      • sharculese

        Milfs vs. Dilfs

    • Who would you like to see most again of the first five boots of the season?

    • Diego Armando

      What would make this season actually good as opposed to average? (What, possibly impossible, thing do you want to see happen)

    • BadPlayer91

      Of the 35 individuals to be evicted 5th in their season, who would you actually be interested in seeing again?

      Similarly, if you were going to do a sequel to Cambodia: Second Chances, which players would be your optimal picks? (This may be harder, as so many of the most exciting players to see a second time have already played a second time…)

    • Hornacek

      I noticed that last night’s KIAs was only 35 minutes. Even Rob and Stephen couldn’t make it to an hour.

      • purplerockandy

        I was encouraged to learn that it’s not just me. Last week’s was short too.

        There just isn’t much here to work with from a discussion standpoint.

    • Not a question but here is a talking point. In the interview with Roark she said the Healers plan was to go six strong and pagong everyone. So if that Cole’s only plan why did throw the challenge. (Like all interviews if early boots that wound not being important this interview was good. It had moments of Roark blaming herself for not looking for the idol, reveals that Desi has no idea how to play Survivor and a plan to throw the fourth challenge so the Healers could get rid of Cole.)

      • purplerockandy

        Cole would have had to come over and do the challenge for the yellow tribe in order to throw that challenge.

        • It would been a bad challenge throw but the Healer had enough players in that last part where they could of thrown it. (Because of rules of these immunity challenge the same person could not just kept putting balls in holes.)

  • Max_Jets

    I would love to have more elaborate strategy segments from contestants like what we got from Chrissy tonight, but it felt like a strange time to have one. I don’t really believe Chrissy was in any danger of going home tonight, because Ryan and JP were never voting for her. She read Roark well and did a good job of changing JP’s mind (though I don’t know that the latter is that hard to do), but did she really accomplish much that she didn’t already have set up for her?

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      You’re suffering the same Australian Survivor hangover I am. Everything after the immunity challenge seemed like it was happening at warp speed. I think Ryan was genuinely thinking about siding with Ali.

      • Head Architect Sylvia

        So am I! Still can’t get into this season. Finally warming up to a few characters but overall it isn’t really doing much for me so far and I never really have any strong feelings after watching.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I was specifically referring to how rushed the post-immunity scramble feels to me now. And Australian Survivor was an all-time great season for Survivor characters, so I’m not surprised this group seems a little bland. The other thing is that tribes of 5/6 seem like child’s play after tribes of 12.

          • Head Architect Sylvia

            My bad, but yeah that’s true, that does feel rushed. But even if it was three episodes a week like Aus Survivor I don’t think I’d be enjoying it much.

            Yeah, definitely, the cast of Australian Survivor was honestly 10/10 and so it was almost non-stop entertainment occurring naturally. Everything about HvHvH just feels so manufactured and bland.

      • Maritimer

        I felt that too. We had like 5 mins of “here’s one side, here’s the other, Ryan’s the swing vote, here’s the weird women’s alliance pitch that barely has anything to do with anything” and we were off to tribal. I miss the 15 min segments where everybody laid out their thoughts and strategies. We would have had a 2 minute Ryan confessional laying out exactly the pros and cons of each side as he saw them, so have a coherent explanation of his vote rather than hypothesizing

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I was impressed by how much content they were able to squeeze into this week’s episode! I think maybe it’s party due to where we are in the season (we’ve gotten enough of an introduction to each player that we can peek in on them quickly if something interesting is going on, and there are few enough players that it’s getting easier to keep alliances and strategies straight without a lot of exposition). The challenges and the reward sequence were quick and what they showed us was mostly relevant to the over all plot of the episode. It may not have been the most exciting episode ever, but to me it seemed well put together (although admittedly I have absolutely no technical knowledge of TV pacing, editing, etc. so I could be way off).

    • Alycia Swift

      I thought it was funny that JP did not even question her since he liked Roark – he automatically assumed she was telling the truth (and she was not).

      • Hornacek

        I think JP will agree with anything you say to him.

        Alan: I think you have an idol hidden under your pants.
        JP: (drops pants)

        JP: I like Roark.
        Chrissy: I think Roark wants to do an all-girl alliance.
        JP: I hate Roark. She must go.

  • forever1267

    Is there a rule that they can’t horizontally roll with the ball? Do they have to go forward like an inchworm?

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      That’s exactly what I said tonight! Wouldn’t that be easiest?

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I do obstacle course races and I log-roll through barbed wire crawls whenever possible. The problem is that it’s difficult if not impossible to log-roll uphill. Although I guess you could kick the ball over the ridge and switch to get yourself over. I’m guessing they prohibit log-rolling since seeing them inchworm is such great TV.

        • StormofCuteness

          I am fascinated by this information about you. Is this that Spartan thing?

          • ADS Pumpkins

            Yeah that’s right, although Spartan (and Tough Mudder) are at the hard-core end of the spectrum.

          • StormofCuteness

            Ooh, I can’t do that stuff, but I love watching it!

        • Judson Helland

          Of course you do. Look at your profile pic

          • ADS Pumpkins

            Don’t get me started on the pygmies….

    • NearlyNina

      I feel like that wouldn’t be allowed. Jeff specifically mentions them moving the ball with their head.

      • Alycia Swift

        I was wondering why no one used their head as a bat or golf club when they first got the ball during the exchange. Joe came closest.

  • forever1267

    Roark and P J Soles ? #SeparatedAtBirth ?

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Roark has nothing on Riff Randell! Nothing!

  • the sky is falling

    This season is turning into what you’d get if the real Survivors went on strike and were replaced with almost identical players, but not quite tournament level. They are… fine…. mostly. Keep hope alive I guess. Not the worst season ever I suppose.

    Not to say I’m not enjoying several of the players, just something odd is afoot.

  • Prom King

    Initial thoughts before reading the live blog and the comments, so forgive me if I’m repeating what other folks have said:

    Chrissy yet again proves her mastery of this game by eliminating Roark, using a move from Sandra and Tony’s playbook. She looked great during tribal council defending herself while casually making Ali and Roark look foolish and petty. I expect to find many, many contrite comments from Andy talking about how wrong he’s been about her, thank you in advance Andy for being able to admit it! The only thing that makes me unhappy about Chrissy is that I nonsensically decided to put Roark on my pick-4 team over her. What a fool decision!

    I also put Ali on my team and I don’t think that was the greatest idea either. She didn’t have a good look this episode: her confessionals were either about Ryan or about a plan that didn’t come to fruition, and then the blindside. And previously she had a hand in voting out Patrick, who would have been a rock solid supporter as well as a meat shield. Maybe not as great a player as I assumed she would be. (Although Patrick was a favorite, and was also on my team, so maybe I’m just bitter at her spoiling it all.)

    The Ben scene almost made me tear up. I watched it twice. I just want to hug him. He and Chrissy are my other favorites.

    I like Devon too. And Dr. Mike. And Jessica too, which surprises me.

    I’m still trying to enjoy Lauren. Trying and failing.

    Cole looking disgusting was hilarious.

    Poor little Ryan on that reward challenge was not hilarious like I thought it would be. But he kept trying!

    The editors really screwed Roark in the few episodes she’s been in. So invisible. I wonder if they are holding her friendship with Corinne against her. I’m probably projecting.

    I did like the sportsmanship from her in her goodbye message. Same with Alan last week. I’m being reminded of the last season of Australian Survivor.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      The thing that stands out to me most about this season so far is that it seems like they were just trying to cast likable people, even at the expense of strategy in some cases, and I actually kind of like that they did that. Even the people I’m not really a fan of, I see how others could be.

      • Prom King

        I agree. I’m not amazed by this season (and the Patrick boot still hurts when I think of how this season could be a lot more fun), but it has been pleasant and low-key interesting, and the same goes for the players.

    • BadPlayer91

      I admire your dedication to hyperbole, but to claim someone has “mastery of this game” after 5 episodes, yet to make the merge, and having gone to only 2 of 5 tribals, is a bit of a stretch by my book. Maybe she will prove herself the mastermind of this season, but i’m not giving her that title until she does more than convince bland JP to vote with her and hope the alliance Ryan gifted her pays off.

      • Prom King

        That was definitely hyperbole. I think she’s great, probably the strongest player on this season so far (at least from what we’ve seen – Ryan’s in there too)… but it’s really too early to tell if she’s a master. However, because Chrissy and Andy are now forever linked in my mind, and the idea of Andy being oh so wrong makes me smile, I err on the side of exaggeration when talking about my feelings about Chrissy’s game play.

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    So…. what should have been an easy-peasy unanimous vote to get rid of Roark (if only to reduce the Healers’ numbers advantage) turned into a shitshow that left everybody (except JP and things like that) bleeding from self-inflicted wounds, and as a result… Roark got voted out anyway. Well done, everybody.

    I can’t say it’s her fault, exactly, but Ali did trigger the avalanche because she couldn’t just leave well enough alone. I also think the show bent over backwards not to portray it that way.

  • Head Architect Sylvia

    Most memorable moment of the episode for me was seeing a promo for Criminal Minds featuring Shemar Moore which reminded me of Shamar and Caramoan and better times.

    • Yeesh, Caramoan pre-merge being “better times” is not a good sign for this season.

      • Mike Hirsch

        I don’t get the hate on this season. I’ll take bland over horrifying.

        • It’s been a perfectly cromulent season so far.

          • StormofCuteness

            Oooh, big word!

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          Bland and even pleasant at times! As long as nothing catastrophic happens I think this is shaping up to be at least a mid tier season. I value watchability, so a season with nice, likable people playing an unexciting game could even place this ahead of a more exciting season full of more objectionable people.

          • Agreed. This feels kinda MvGX-ish to me.

          • Max_Jets

            Yeah, neither season had a lot of standout characters or outright duds. We could end up with an exciting post merge from this too.

          • I will always defend the MvGX cast as one of the overall best, but it took a little time for that to become apparent. I’m trying to hold out hope for this season.

          • Roswulf

            I don’t think we have enough information to tell.

            The big area for concern is less that anything bad has happened, more that we’re lacking people with mega screen presence (Note: This may be different if Ben speaks to you, I guess. I don’t get Ben’s appeal), and any very strong narrators.

            But the cast isn’t a disaster by any means. These people playing an interesting and dramatic game would be interesting and dramatic. We’ll see.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            That’s totally fair and I agree that this season is short on players who really pop. Then again, for me last season had tons of players who popped and my memories over all are still more negative than positive :/ So I guess I’m just saying I’m willing to give this season the benefit of the doubt just for being pleasant. I’ve clearly been burned by GC.

          • purplerockandy

            I don’t think there are any interesting narrators this season. And no one who is funny on purpose.

          • StormofCuteness

            You really don’t like Ryan.

          • purplerockandy

            Because I don’t find him funny? Is this a controversial opinion?

          • StormofCuteness

            He’s, at very least, goofy.

          • By The Numbers

            What bothers me about Ryan is that everybody out there seems particularly smitten with him, which means he IS funny and nice to be around. But he’s obsessed with the show and desperately wants a legendary confessional. Bleh.

          • purplerockandy

            Yeah, he’s obviously doing really well socially, and people there seem to really like him and find him funny, but it’s not translating on camera for me.

        • Max_Jets

          Agreed. I remember feeling sick after Cirie tried and failed to play Sarah’s advantage, and there are still 3 terrible things from Game Changers that are discussed more than that.

        • purplerockandy

          I’m starting to think, solely as a podcaster, that I’d prefer horrifying to bland.

          • Diego Armando

            I remember how floundering you guys were in SJDS.

      • Head Architect Sylvia

        I was going for a bit of sarcasm but I didn’t really convey it very well. Basically though, I didn’t think the episode was particularly memorable and overall I think the season has been pretty underwhelming so far. But Shamar is basically Satan so it’s 100% not as bad as Caramoan pre merge.

        Hey Caramoan was pretty good post merge though, right!? (right guys?!) So hopefully this season gets better once half the cast is taken out.

  • Crappy

    I am going to defend Chrissy a bit here. Some points on the episode

    – To start with, I had zero doubt that Roark would go when it came down to between her and Chrissy. Chrissy has gotten way to much focus so far to go out like this. Was not happening. Besides it has become a survivor trope to call out that week’s boot’s poor performance in the challenge either subtly or in OTT manner.
    – Chrissy got first ever negative tones in her edit this episode but I think people are being to harsh on her overall behaviour in latter part of the episode. For starters, edit made it a point of showing that she was actually offering others to take over from her in the challenge but no one volunteered. Afterwards, she did an excellent job of scrambling to get numbers on her side. No different that any other aggressive male strategist would or have done in the past. Her behavior in TC could have been more muted but she was openly called out by Ali and Roark, she chose to respond in a more aggressive manner than came off poorly on TV but you have had winners and other greats do much worse. Calls of her being overly catty are very much bias towards her archetype of an older woman. Sandra in general behaves in a much worse manner but gets a pass she never fits that role in any of that season. Same goes for many aggressive male players as well.
    – I do believe Chrissy deserves some criticism over her social play after the tribe swap. We saw her individually connecting with all the heroes after the first TC so I am at loss to understand why she would not make an effort to even have a single convo with Roark before their first loss or connect with Ali in a more meaningful manner. May be she was overconfident after she connected with Ryan but they should have given some serious thought to brining Ali in their inner circle.
    – Given the under editing of the whole healers’s tribe from the start I think post merge we are going to see Healers being low key pagoned by Heroes plus hustlers with heroes and hustlers battling it out at the end. I am also getting a weird vibe from Lauren’s screen time so far. Normally she would be in Sunday Burquest’s role of getting a purple edit IMO but I think she must either make it to FTC itself or play some pivotal role down the line. Infact I won’t be surprised if she inexplicably ends up being the winner.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      This is all very interesting food for thought. I’ve been a Chrissy fan since the preseason and this episode didn’t change that. I tend to approach things from an edit standpoint too. Once it came down to Roark or Chrissy I pretty much knew how it was going to turn out. I don’t think Chrissy came off great through the whole scramble and tribal council scenes, but I agree that she wasn’t as bad as some are saying.
      Maybe some people are primed to like Roark (?) but I thought that Roark came off particularly badly in this episode. She had a sour mean face on the whole time and was really bratty about Chrissy coming to talk to her, but the worst thing for me was that she seemed to be assuming that the older woman was the obvious target and basically ignoring all other possibilities. To be fair, they were probably at a little bit of a stalemate because of the tribe makeup, but the way Roark and Ali went after Chrissy at tribal council seemed sort of personal. Who knows why they didn’t like her, but attacking someone like that at tribal only to have that person stay will most definitely hurt Ali’s game down the road (and I like Ali too).

      • Hornacek

        Maybe Ali and Roark found out that Chrissy lied about being 39 and is actually 46, and this was deeply offensive to them.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          The only thing worse than being an old is lying about being an old >:[

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Ultimately, nobody really cares about the fifth boot, I guess, but the extreme difference in visibility between Chrissy and Roark really took any suspense away from what should have been a suspenseful vote. One or two confessionals more for Roark and fewer for Chrissy in each of the first four episodes would have really helped this one.

        • Max_Jets

          Yeah, this felt way too obvious after a couple of episodes that were edited to be genuinely surprising.

      • StormofCuteness

        Roark and Ali were mad at her because of how she behaved at the immunity challenge and how she refused their help. It’s like I watched a different show than you did.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          It’s crazy how differently people viewed the Roark vs. Chrissy thing! I feel like I need to rewatch the whole episode just to see if I can see it how other people are describing it.

          • StormofCuteness

            Yeah, I am really lamenting having deleted it from my dvr. I guess it really does come down to whatever biases I may have already had going into the episode…though I had liked Chrissy until this one.

          • BadPlayer91

            Same. I was all about Chrissy, and while it probably seems like i’m against her now, it’s really just that i’m less about it. I want to be proven wrong, but i’m much more concerned about where things are heading with her now.

            My boyfriend had a less common “both rubbed me the wrong way” reaction, where he wasn’t overly thrilled with Roark or Chrissy. lol

          • StormofCuteness

            I think your bf has more in common with most than we seem to…sigh.

      • Crappy

        I think edit tried to protect Chrissy tonight given her speculated deep run. Like I mentioned, they made a point of showing she was asking others to step into challenges (They did this often with Adam, when even if someone was slagging him off they would show Adam’s side of argument being true on screen). At the tribal too, they tried to play it off as Ali and Roark attacking Chrissy at first. For all we know that is exactly how it happened in 2-3 hour council but Chrissy was giving it as good as she got and even before the council she was a bit condescending towards Roark in her confessional.

        • Hornacek

          We saw Chrissy say 2-3 during the challenge “Does anyone want to take over here?” and no one stepped up. I’m really surprised by all the comments saying she refused to let Roark take over when (a) she asked multiple times for someone to take over, and (b) Roark gave a very non-committal response saying that she might want to, but wasn’t sure, if Chrissy wanted her to, you know, whatever.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Agreed! I’m pretty sure Roark said “it’s up to you” which is what my husband (who is extremely indecisive) says when I ask his opinion on anything. It actually bugs the crap out of me because I usually only ask if I actually want his input on something. “What do you want for dinner” “It’s up to you”
            Argh!!!

          • purplerockandy

            Psst… it’s possible he does that because he’s used to you ignoring or overriding his input when you do ask his opinion and he’s tired of playing the guessing game of “what is the correct answer she wants me to give”.

            /projection

          • sharculese

            And that’s when it hit me: the Purple Rock was the The Lockhorns the entire time.

          • ADS Pumpkins

            If you’re too young to nod sagely and/or chuckle ruefully while reading this exchange you’re too young to know what the Lockhorns are.

          • sharculese

            I’m old enough that if I were a woman I would regularly be asked why I don’t kids yet, but also old enough to have been reading Comics Curmudgeon for over a decade at this point. And also to have seen newspaper comics.

          • Judson Helland

            Ouch. I got the reference

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Maybe, but I also know that I make decisions way faster than he does so when we go to the furniture store we have to sit on every single couch and then go home and think about it for 3 months before going back and BUYING THE ONE I WANTED ALL ALONG.
            How much do you charge for your marriage counseling service btw?

          • Hornacek

            In Roark’s RHAP exit interview, she said that her balance is really bad so she wanted to sit out of that challenge, but the rest of the tribe had already decided that Ryan would sit out. And because that ball-maze part required balancing on that beam, she didn’t really want to take over for Chrissy. Apparently, no one on the tribe wanted to.

    • Hornacek

      When Roark said “This is the first time Chrissy has talked to me” it reminded me of the second episode of SC where Spencer and Shirin were scrambling and talking to Woo, and Woo told her “This is the first time you’ve talked to me, now that you need something from me.” It was a bad look for those two then, and it was a bad look for Chrissy now. They’ve been on these new tribes for 6 (?) days and in all that time, Chrissy couldn’t have sat down with Roark and introduced herself and talked about themselves? It’s a bad look when the first time you talk with someone on your tribe is after you lose a challenge and you’re going to tribal; you’re telling that person “You weren’t important enough to me to talk to you before, but you are now.”

      • Crappy

        I agree with you that it was bad play on Chrissy’s part. But she did bring up a valid point at TC that Roark did not approach her either. From what I can gather after reading Roark’s exit interviews as well is Chrissy had immediately marked Roark was the one vote out and hence did not put in any effort.

        • Hornacek

          I think it was bad play by both Chrissy and Roark; they were both equally wrong.

          As far as Chrissy immediately marking Roark as the one to vote out, well, there are still 6 Healers in the game. Voting out Roark should have been the decision made by the other 4 players as soon as they swapped.

    • purplerockandy

      I mean, we were criticizing Joe just last week for being too aggressive at tribal council, so I’m not sure this is as gendered a stance as you’re making it out to be.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I’m not taking a side here, but I for one don’t put Joe’s chest-thumping and Chrissie’s flailing after being put on the defensive in the same category.

        • purplerockandy

          I put them both in the category of “being extra at tribal council”. We also criticized Alan for this.

      • Crappy

        There is no equivalency between those 2 behaviors at all. I think her most snidey comment during her voting confessional with a dig at Roark. She got a bit hyper defending her challenge performance at tribal but it won’t even crack top 20 tribal meltdowns or arguments. She deserves criticism for he tribal performance mainly for burning further bridges with Ali.

  • Maritimer

    From Jeff’s EW Interview:

    “We saw Dr. Mike and Jessica smartly looking for an idol in the same spot on a different beach where Joe found his. Are you all concerned that by putting idols in identical spots it will increase the chance that one person can load up on idols during merges and tribe swaps, like Tai did last season?”

    “Nope.”

    Ugh. I’m not an anti-idol person, but I would rather see multiple players with idols than one person with 2-3 of them. They only avoided that this season because Joe and Cole are kind of not very smart (but Jessica is!)

    • I’m very confused by that. I would think they wouldn’t want one person finding all the idols, because that leads to less drama (unless it’s Tony finding them).

      • But even then, Tony didn’t have 2 idols at the same time.

      • Maritimer

        Right? There’s much more drama if 3 people have idols than 1 person having 3 (with the incredibly rare exception you noted). This seems to be Jeff totally doubling down on his defense of Advantagegeddon, which he refuses to acknowledge as an unintended outcome.

        We had this discussion during AUS Survivor, but twists need to create room to play, not limit it. One player with 3 idols really limits room to play by basically taking a player off the boar. Imagine a world where Cole is smart – how easily the Cole/Jessica pair could be united going into the merge in the majority with 2-3 idols and safe until at least like 8

      • sharculese

        At this point it seems like idols and advantage trinkets is the hill Jeff wants to die on and he’s not going to admit there could be a flaw in system for any reason.

        • There’s nothing inherently wrong with the idols or advantages, but they should be wanting them to end up spread out to create more interesting gameplay. Seasons where one person has dominated have not been especially entertaining.

          • sharculese

            There’s nothing inherently wrong with idols or advantages, but it’s looking more and more like Jeff refuses to admit that it’s even possible to design or place them poorly.

          • BadPlayer91

            I’m wondering if Jeff sees ‘one person finds them all’ as good gameplay. Maybe while we are throwing our hands up and saying “Of course X would find another idol, he knew where the last one was” Jeff is clapping and saying “Wow, X is the best player out here because he managed to find two idols.” In which case he wouldn’t see it as a problem at all. He might also mistakenly think it makes great TV.

          • Hornacek

            This is like playing a computer game through to the end, and then replaying it and there is no random encounters and it follows the same plot. If I anticipate all of the major encounters, this does not make me a great gamer – it means I’ve done it before and know what to expect.

        • Hornacek

          Jeff: “Guys, you would have LOVED the super-idol if Spencer had found it.

    • Hornacek

      I haven’t read that column yet, but I can easily imagine Jeff’s entire response being just “Nope.” and then Dalton goes onto the next question.

      • Maritimer

        That’s exactly what happens

        • Hornacek

          I read it just before you replied and yes, that’s what happens! Jeff is always wordy with 1-2 paragraphs in response to Dalton’s questions, so obviously he did not like this question.

          I don’t know if Dalton’s questions are on the phone, instant message, or by email. I’d like to think it’s by phone so when Jeff said “Nope.” and then there was silence Dalton said “Jeff, you’re on mute, I didn’t hear the rest of your answer.” and Jeff said “I’m not on mute. I gave my answer. Next question.”

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      I’m impressed with Jessica’s smarts in general, but counterpoint: she agreed to be the lookout.

      But ugh, Phony Vlachos and Mr. Peanutbutter! Looking for another idol in the same spot on another beach is just basic blocking-and-tackling, even on a newbie season. Unless they did look and didn’t find them, which is even worse!

      • Maritimer

        Yeah, that was a bad call. You look for the idol and let Mike lookout. Mike made very clear whose idol that was

        • purplerockandy

          Maybe she’s the type who doesn’t want the target that comes with having an idol.

          • Maritimer

            Could be. Gives her a way to rally a Mike blindside later

          • Alkanarra

            Once she makes merge that idol makes her a target at a time when she frankly won’t be and she can definitely turn it on Mike whenever.

            But also bonus points for showing Mike you trust him, especially with the very real possibility of him flipping. She protected her threesome and kept Mike close for when the merge comes. Top that off with the fact that she still has the idol knowledge, which is in itself a valuable currency if you’re anyone who isn’t Cole, and I’m fine with the decision.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            OK, that’s a very good point that actually possessing the idol could make her a target when she in all likelihood isn’t anybody’s top priority. I suppose that knowledge of who has the idol and the trust of the most gettable of the Healers is not a crazy tradeoff.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        PHONY VLACHOS is a fantastic pun that I am mad I haven’t heard until now.

        • ADS Pumpkins

          I stole it from somebody somewhere, but I don’t remember (not someone in the PRP community, I would remember that)

        • the sky is falling

          It’ll be awesome when Joe and Tony are on the same tribe on Survivor 39: Doppleganger Island

  • Hornacek

    I don’t have a reason to post this but I found it when googling another image I posted here today.

    I’d watch this show.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSav5RcGAy4e5w8_0FYOGmH1l9FruK3IM6YFann9MZrzVJUYBLi

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Why? Does he wander the Canadian countryside curing erectile dysfunction before moving on to the next limp providence?

      • Hornacek

        If he did then it would be an instant smash and become the longest running Canadian TV series ever – lasting 3 whole seasons!

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    I haven’t read all of the comments so I’m not sure if anyone else has mentioned this yet, but does anyone think Jeff’s comment about Mike being “unable to find a rhythm” in the sandworm challenge was a sex doctor joke?

    • BadPlayer91

      Even if it wasn’t Jeff will tell you it is. It always is with Jeff.

      • Hornacek

        We need a challenge with balls. Jeff will make many inappropriate out of context comments about Dr. Mike and his balls.

        • i and 1

          That stacking blocks challenge really should have led to something, come to think of it. They had to work to keep it up, right?

          • BadPlayer91

            You mean while they were erecting their towers? Yeah.

          • Hornacek

            Jeff: (making notes before that challenge with this season’s players) “This stuff writes itself!”

    • Hornacek

      The rhythm method? I only know about that from a Stephen King novella – The Breathing Method I think.

    • sharculese

      I don’t want to think about the number of practicing MDs who think the rhythm method is good science.

      • I’ll never forget my 9th grade biology teacher discussing safe sex methods (………..!) and reaching the following quote: “There is a scientific name for people who use the rhythm method. We call them ‘parents.'” There’s no greater shade than public school teacher shade.

        • purplerockandy

          I’ve seen statistics that put the rhythm method roughly as successful as condoms at preventing pregnancy.

          Largely because people don’t use condoms properly.

          • sharculese

            You use two of them to be extra safe, right?

            -Things my mom would kill me for if she heard me saying even jokingly.

  • Thirty-five Sandcastles

    Women’s alliance is the Kneeling During the Anthem of reality tv

    • Kemper Boyd

      No women’s alliance scares men in Survivor just like women’s equality scares men in the real world.

    • Hornacek

      i.e. You have the right to do it but just don’t do it where people can see it or it could make any difference?

  • BadPlayer91

    So instead of waiting to watch tonight, I came home from my meeting, clicked refresh till CBS posted it, and watched in the AM. I blame all of PRP, you fun delightful people, you’ve done this to me…

    This episode was terribly frustrating for me, and not just because I had Roark on almost all my fantasy teams. I think I can pinpoint the few things that really made this episode difficult.

    -First, we get some legit time with Roark (as Andy noted, more than 1 confession means her boot), and it didn’t disappoint. For me, she seemed likable, strategic, calm, and I felt like with more time she really would have been a fun character. The only problem is, she wasn’t able to play the game, and by the time we get any actual characterization of Roark, it’s her boot. I picked Roark for all my teams cause her pre-season material made me feel she was someone I would enjoy watching, and while she didn’t ‘pop’ off the screen by any means, this bit of her just made me sad we won’t get more. I feel like, had this time with Roark been in episode 1, she would be a favorite cast member by now, and had she stuck around longer, she might have been one of the more fun people from the season. This glimpse just made me bitter, in a way I felt way less bitter about losing Simone or Patrick or Alan. Her post-boot clip was salt in the wound.

    -Similar to Matt, I felt Chrissy came across as a villain in this episode. I’ll admit to being a Chrissy-supporter, because in episodes 1-4 she seemed likable and put together. Her extra confessional last week started to show a bit of over-thinking, as Taako pointed out, and in this episode she seemed vindictive. It is particularly telling that the edit seemed to show a very calm and logical Roark juxtaposed with Chrissy talking about beating the smartypants and showing that she’s better than anyone who gets in her way. She definitely leaves that tribal convinced she masterminded a #bigmove and took out the season’s kingpin, but in actuality Ryan made the ultimate decision, and it was simply to get rid of the least threatening person in a 2-2-1 tribe. Chrissy said at least 4 times that she believes herself to be the best player and most strategic threat on this season, and when you’re saying that by episode 5, and haven’t even made the merge, it’s a problem.

    -I hate saying this as much as he will love it, but I’m starting to think Andy’s may have been right about Chrissy. I’ll stand by my initial thoughts given how she was presented, but this episode really put me off her. Part of that being, as I think was discussed in last week’s podcast, she has now only targeted other women. And this week she seemed absolutely delighted to stomp all over Roark, as if orchestrating (though only kinda) Roark’s boot from the game was some huge accomplishment and personal success. I’m more inclined to say that Chrissy feels threatened by the other (younger) woman, and thus has decided they are the essential target. While this may prove successful, I would much rather see her work with these women that cut them.

    -Putting those together, this episode felt like a ‘we can’t have nice things’ moment for me, at least personally. It would have been easier to swallow Roark’s boot if she seemed boring and uninteresting and Chrissy remained likable and strategic. Instead, Roark seemed interesting and existing, and Chrissy came across as overly intense, a bit too meta, and convinced that she has this game wrapped up.

    • TheForRealDeal

      “Roark seemed interesting and existing”

      Freudian slip?

      • BadPlayer91

        Yup. That’s so perfect that i’m not even gonna change it….

    • the sky is falling

      Chrissy can’t be a villain, she’s on the Heroes tribe!

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I was a big fan of both Chrissy and Roark coming into the season based on their pre-season press. However, I saw nothing on the actual TV show that gave me any positive feelings about Roark, personally. In fact, I ended up finding her constant scowl and negative attitude off-putting. I’m still cautiously optimistic about Chrissy, but I do think her winner potential took a hit this episode and I will grudgingly admit that Ryan made the objectively wrong decision (unless he had some reason for not wanting to work with Roark that we didn’t see in the edit).
      I don’t think there’s enough evidence to definitively say that Chrissy has a problem with other women, but I was disappointed that the women were all going after each other for seemingly personal reasons on a tribe where they had a majority. If they could have taken a step back and looked at the situation, maybe they could have all agreed to take out nonentity JP and draw Ryan into their alliance as a number/potential pre-merge fodder.
      Anyway, I agree that Chrissy has been shown with increasing shades of arrogance and I don’t think it bodes well for her endgame potential. I still think a woman will probably win this season, and surprisingly I find that Jessica has been growing on me while pretty much all of the others are stagnant or dropping in my favor.

      • BadPlayer91

        I can understand the scowl. I have a number of friends who tend to scowl or look angry when they are concentrating really hard, so I just assumed this was her game face. But, negative attitude? When was Roark negative in this episode? I can recall her being honest, straight forward, and pretty casual, but not negative. I mean, in her post-boot she said she was thrilled to play the game, loved the experience, recommends it, and admits fault for not having found a way forward. Even when Jeff pressed her about her ‘doomed’ position at TC, her response was “I’ve built relationships I believe I can trust in a vote.” I’m hard pressed to agree she showed a negative attitude.

        After reading some of the comments below, I do worry that my initial reaction to Chrissy may have been harsh, and the last thing I want to do is chastise a woman for doing the same as a man would. Personally, I believe that, had a male character acted the same as her, I would be as annoyed by him as I was with Chrissy. I’ve never been a huge Ryan person, but even with all his self-assured-ness, I don’t recall him being so bold to say “Devon is the smartest player here, beside myself” I want to, and will try my hardest, to give Chrissy the benefit of the doubt moving forward and view her play outside of the confines that women are so often forced into on this show. But this episode was definitely a different swing from what we saw of her before.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          In the case of both Chrissy and Roark, I find both the intensely positive and intensely negative takes misguided. Which is kind of the problem with this cast so far–there’s no reason to be anything but lukewarm about any of them, even Joe (on the negative side) or Ben (on the positive side). I’ve seen some comps to the MvGX cast, but even at this point in that season we knew that Michaela and Zeke were special. But that said, it’s still early, and Survivor is inherently great, so even a league-average season would make me happy.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            This is a good point, and I suspect it’s where a lot of the disagreements are stemming from – there’s not much to grab onto with each character, whether positive or negative, so we may all be searching for feelings that aren’t there in order to strengthen lukewarm opinions. It’s more fun for me to watch with someone to root for/against, so tiny differences are probably getting magnified.

          • the sky is falling

            Versus almost any other season, I’m having a really hard time thinking
            “Oh, I’d really like to see player X play again” Everyone is fine, just
            not much to be super-passionate about this time.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          Maybe the scowl was influencing my perception of her behavior. That and her association with Corinne. I thought she was a bit mean to Chrissy during TC, but I also thought Chrissy was mean back so I guess it’s a wash ¯_(ツ)_/¯

          • Hornacek

            “You didn’t talk to me during our 6 days together!”
            “Oh yeah? Well, you didn’t talk to me either!”
            “Hmm, that’s right. Bad on both of us, I guess.”

          • purplerockandy

            It’s possible that the reason Roark didn’t talk to her in those six days and why she was so quick to point it out is that Chrissy made it abundantly clear that she A) did not want to talk strategy with Roark and B) was targeting Roark to be the first to go and Roark found out about it.

          • Hornacek

            They all should have been targeting Roark as soon as that swap tribe was formed. There are 6 Healers left in the game.

          • purplerockandy

            Then Chrissy shouldn’t have tried to do anything with her post-immunity if she was always the target and not worth pretending otherwise. But she didn’t. She transparently approached her then, with the seeming sole intention of setting Roark up, and Roark correctly called her out on it.

          • BadPlayer91

            Them attempting to edit around that kind of interaction is pretty telling, and not a small amount of frustrating, particularly for someone who enjoyed even the glimpse we got of Roark.

          • StormofCuteness

            Seems to be the case from the exit interview. Even Chrissy’s secret scene shows that everyone on the new tribe were asking lots of questions and trying to get along, but the questions were freaking her out.

          • BadPlayer91

            Wait, questions were freaking Chrissy out? Ugh, that makes me even less enthused about Chrissy. What a difference an episode can make. I really hope the best for her Chrissy, cause I got such good vibes, but right now i’m not feeling it.

          • StormofCuteness

            You really need to check out Taako’s extras post and watch the Chrissy one, and then wade through the comments to find where I forced him to post Roark’s secret scene. Seeing those really did impact my opinion of this episode.

          • BadPlayer91

            I saw the extra post he did earlier this week, you’re talking about that Chrissy confessional? Where she talked about how everything she does on the island is carefully calculated and she’s always overthinking everything? I didn’t see a Roark secret scene though, is that a joke about her being invisible?

          • StormofCuteness

            Yes, Chrissy also talked about how everyone was asking lots of questions and so she’d had to expose that she had children, etc etc.

            No, Taako didn’t think it was worth posting, but posted it for me in the comments. I think it was really worth posting. You should seek it out.

          • Alycia Swift

            Which is what Roark acknowledged in a round-about-way when she said she could have done something else in her after getting voted out comments.

          • the sky is falling

            I don’t quite understand how it possible to not talk to one out of 5 people for 6 days on the island. She just meant not about strategy, yeah?

          • Hornacek

            I mean, that makes the most sense, but it really sounded like Roark was saying that Chrissy hadn’t come to talk to her (not just about strategy but about anything) until after they lost the challenge.

            If she meant “just about strategy” and they had talked casually already, then she phrased it poorly.

          • StormofCuteness

            Yes, strategy or one on one. In the secret scene from Roark last week she makes clear she had talked to everyone. Additionally, Chrissy’s extra also indicates there was a lot of talking and question asking going on. There’s no way Roark wasn’t part of that.

        • StormofCuteness

          Again, total agreement from me!

      • Alycia Swift

        I agree with this sentiment. I point out that Chrissy has had to be defensive from day 1 b/c she was one of the two older women out of only 3 in the game. She just got lucky that Katrina(?) was wackier (although we did not see it). All the women and most of the men automatically targeted the older women outright based on the perception they are weaker because they are older and women. Often it is not the case (Tina and Laura Morett were both stronger and better at challenges than their daughters). If they’d cast a little more evenly, then perhaps she would not seem to have a problem with other women. Plus, while Ben seems to be a sweetheart and we might think he’s somewhat smart, most of the men (sans Ryan and Mike) are not giving the impression they are that bright so she might find it easier to manipulate a guy if he’s giving her that impression that he’s not smart.

        • BadPlayer91

          I was thinking, based upon Ben’s confessionals, if this is the beginning of a Ben-Chrissy FTC narrative where Chrissy masterminds the season but rubs people the wrong way and Ben takes home the cash as the more likable guy with a better story to tell. I mean, we are SOO far out, but I could understand that playing out…

          • Alycia Swift

            Its not like we haven’t seen that happen before.

          • BadPlayer91

            WAIT, do you have two profiles? Why does one have a profile pic and one is the default?

          • Alycia Swift

            Um. I have two profiles? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

            The default – I just never got around to figuring out how to change it.

            The picture – if it is a cartoon, I did that for an article a while ago. I thought it was a one-time thing.

          • BadPlayer91

            It fixed itself. It was just showing two different pictures for you’re icon next to your name, so I was convinced you had two and were up to shenanigans, lol.

          • Alycia Swift

            Well I’m always up to shenanigans just not here (not really). Ok I see the default one. I did not even notice that. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

          • sharculese

            I see one post of yours with the regular disqus default pic and one with the dead fishy trophy.

    • StormofCuteness

      Wow, you captured exactly why I was so unhappy after this episode.

    • Hornacek

      How exactly was Chrissy a villain this episode? She recognized that it was either her or Roark getting voted out this episode, so she did everything she could to make sure it was Roark and not herself. She talked with Roark to see where she was at, she lied to JP, and she conspired with Ryan – is this really villainous?

      • BadPlayer91

        I didn’t intend to say she was the villain, but that she came across as the villain of this episode. Something about the edit and juxtaposition between Chrissy and Roark seems to show Chrissy as scheming and overconfident and Roark as calm and straight-forward. In actuality, this is a pretty cut and dry vote between sending home Roark or Chrissy, and both did what we usually see to try and change the vote in their favor. But for me, and at least some others, her confessionals edited against Roark’s put me off of Chrissy, and I wonder if production wants us to feel uneasy about her, in prep for what may be down the road.

        • Hornacek

          In Survivor you should never be confident or calm. Chrissy may have been confident but she quickly realized at tribal that she may be in trouble when Ali questioned her challenge performance. I’m not sure if Roark ever got away from being calm – she should have realized that there was a decent chance she could be going home.

          I’m no Chrissy fan (even though she is in one of my fantasy leagues – go Chrissy!) but I didn’t see anything negative in what she did this episode. Except for not talking with Roark until she knew they were going to tribal, but that is equally bad for Roark, since as Chrissy pointed out, Roark never talked to her either. They spent 6 days together – go and talk to *everyone*, people!

          • BadPlayer91

            Agreed, the whole “didn’t talk to me till after the challenge” thing was a bit too he said/she said and just felt petty on both sides.

            Personally, I don’t get the feeling Roark hadn’t considered she could go home, I think she didn’t outwardly showed a need to scramble. She realized she may be in trouble, came up with and mobilized a plan, and if not for the hidden bond between Ryan and Chrissy, likely would have succeeded. But I think Roark has a very calm demeanor, and the result was that no one really saw her as ‘scrambling’ because she was so collected. Now, that may have resulted in bad TV if she’s too calm in the face of stress, but it was refreshing to me to see a bit more of a level-headed approach to the tribal. She told Jeff she felt ‘about the same’ before the vote as when she entered that tribal. I don’t take that as “I’m certain what will happen” so much as “I’ve done that math, i’ve set up my pieces, nothing from this tribal has shaken or solidified my confidence about how everything will turn out.” I would never be that calm about it, so maybe I just admire that in her.

            Hannah Shapiro is a pretty good example that, if you lack any calmness in tribal, you hurt your chances down the road. lol

    • Chrissy was my preseason winner pick and Roark was my preseason favorite, so I wasn’t thrilled once it became clear where this episode was going. At this point, I’m really not sure who I’m rooting for. Maybe Dr. Mike and Jessica?

      • the sky is falling

        Dr. Mike is a really unlikely archetype to win. Would be great if he or Jessica won it. The new final 5 twist may come into play.

        • Judson Helland

          Final five twist? Do you mean final four twist?

          • the sky is falling

            i think i mean…. (potential big, current season production meddling with game mechanics spoiler under the tag) that the last vote out is at 5. at least thats how iunderstood the new twist in the explanation I saw. Usually, the last vote out is at final 4, but this time its at 5

    • Kemper Boyd

      I downloaded it off a streaming website and watched it on my commute.

  • the sky is falling

    AV Club Deathwatch: 17 hours after posting and nine (9) comments. Mamma mia!

    Carrie even left “all-girl alliance” as a talking point.

    • Damn. RIP AV Club.

    • Crappy

      The new commenting system there is just too painful to use.

      • Hornacek

        If you type 2 spaces after a sentence-ending period, it automatically changes it to 1 space!

        IT’S THE WORST!!!

        • purplerockandy

          That’s a feature, not a bug.

          And common to most CMS systems because we no longer need to leave two spaces for typesetters.

          • Hornacek

            I will never give up on using 2 spaces after a sentence-ending period. It helps identify whether a period means the end of a sentence or not (i.e. if it’s part of an abbreviation or a number).

          • purplerockandy

            Do you think there’s a lot of confusion in those areas otherwise? Also, that’s not the reason two spaces after a sentence was invented. It was invented due to a restriction imposed by typewriters and typesetting. In that medium, every character has the same kerning because they all are imprinted on keys or blocks of the same width. Thus a tiny character like a period had odd spacing. To overcome that hurdle, two spaces was introduced.

            Now that we have these electronic word processing doohickeys, we no longer need to overcome that limitation, as the computer manages the kerning for us. Thus, using two spaces is an outdated affectation of the old.

          • Hornacek

            It may not have been the reason the 2-space rule was invented, but it eventually became the main reason it was used in modern typewriting times (this was hammered into us in Typewriting class in school).

        • the sky is falling

          Broken record rant: I could deal with a poor comment interface if the main site navigation hadn’t been wrecked so badly.

          • Hornacek

            Even before the Kinja switch, I had gotten used to going to Google first and then searching for ” avclub” and finding the show review I was looking for. I rarely went to http://www.avclub.com and then tried to find a specific review/article/whatever from there.

            But yeah, the Kinja navigation system is just awful.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I am enjoying AV Club people discovering what Gawkerverse people have known for like 5 years. Kinja sucks balls.

    • Something Quirky

      I still make sure to comment as solidarity for Carrie, but I never do it straight after watching anymore.

  • Not that there’s any chance we’ll ever see Roark again, but I’m a little curious to see how she’d play under different circumstances. She clearly understands the strategic game, but I can’t tell if she got swap screwed or had a bad social game. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was some combination of the two though.

    • Max_Jets

      I do think she was screwed to some extent at least. JP and Chrissy were aligned, Ali and Ryan were aligned, Chrissy and Ryan were (kind of) aligned before they swapped and there’s only 5 people on the tribe. Last week is a bit similar in that it felt like anyone could go home – I guess this is another issue I potentially have with the 5 person swaps. I like when a contestant’s downfall is caused by their own play, and it didn’t really feel like it in this case.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I think what screwed her in particular was the secret Chrissy/Ryan alliance. It essentially eliminated any possibility other than Roark going home. Maybe if JP weren’t so strong and dumb he would have been on the table, but as it was no one was going to budge on their previous alliances, and Roark only swayed one new ally.
      After listening to her RHAP exit interview I remembered why I’d liked her from the preseason, so I’d be up for a Roark return (though even she admitted it was unlikely).

      • ADS Pumpkins

        The Chrissy/Ryan alliance tanked Roark’s game, but I wouldn’t say there were no other possibilities. She had no way of knowing that things were any more complicated than her choosing a side between the Hustlers and the Heroes. But if she had bonded with Ryan directly instead of second-hand through Ali, Ryan might have decided to cut JP loose.

      • I haven’t been listening to the exit interviews this season (I haven’t had much time and Roark is the first boot that I actually care to hear from), but I’m starting Roark’s now.

  • Something Quirky

    Future Survivor players should wear cowboy hats for fire reasons. That hadn’t occurred to me previously.

  • giorgos

    Crissy got the spotlight but I think Ryan also played the whole thing pretty bad. It should have been a no-brainer since there were still 6 healers in the game and they already had the advantage in the other 2 tribes. Even with Alli gunning for Chrissy, I think an argument like “If we don’t vote out a healer no one will” would have made her back out pretty easily.

    It didn’t matter in the end anyway, and a woman who was apparently on this season went home.

  • Clark

    On Ryan’s coffee reward challenge implosion:

    Maybe the “move” at this point is to throw an unimportant (read: severe gastrointestinal distress-ing) reward challenge right before merge. It won’t be a reason to target you, since you know the merge is coming. You also won’t be an immediate post-merge target, because your challenge weakness has been publicly proven. Granted, that might have been expected of Ryan already, but it might be a good way to look non-threatening for the near future.