Survivor Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers Episode 7 Liveblog: “Get to Gettin'”

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“Get to Gettin'” – The newly merged tribe on the seventh episode of SURVIVOR 35, themed Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers, airing Wednesday, November 8 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Photo: Robert Voets/CBS ©2017 CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved

 

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Matt has an irrational dislike for all contestants named Michel(l)e. Also if he ever takes a strong stance about why everyone else is wrong, it is he that is inevitably wrong.

Favorite seasons: Micronesia, Heroes vs. Villains, Palau, Philippines, Pearl Islands, Cagayan
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  • Hornacek

    I was going to wear my shirt in solidarity with our fellow PRPers at the live KIA tonight, but Puddin’ had other ideas.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95d53c4cceae2090598cc33e72baca7d1d9036ab1bf68b8bbef8be77f2f93d62.jpg

    • Purplerockmatt

      PRP merch makes great cat blankets

  • sharculese

    Guys see how everyone else is formed in two curves with Cole framed prominently in the center, with the fire in front of him.

    If I understand edgic correctly, that means this is the episode where he finally reaches Super Saiyan.

  • gouis

    Guess it’s just us losers while all the cool kids are at KIAs

    • Flip the statement around man;. We are the cool kids.

      • the sky is falling

        Never leave the house, FTW!

        • sharculese

          There could be a skeleton with a broadsword out there.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I mean, pigeons exist. They’re basically flying rats with knives for mouths. That’s reason enough to stay home.

          • sharculese

            True story, one time when I was in law school I was walking to class and saw a pigeon shit directly onto a girl’s head while she was talking on her phone. I felt enough to not laugh out loud, but I am still telling the story.

        • Diego Armando

          The night is dark and full of terrors.

    • gouis

      I should have never gotten that job. Should have just stayed unemployed so I could meet PRP folks.

      • Blurry Denzel

        Have to get your priorities straight. PRP>>>job/money

        • gouis

          You get to have both!

        • Hornacek

          Mo money, mo Survivor problems.

    • Mike Hirsch
      • gouis

        Just admit you reverse engineered your answers to get King Steve.

        • sharculese

          Wait, is that what King Steve is? I assumed it was just a really big tomcat.

        • Mike Hirsch

          I didn’t. I was surprised at first by the result, but the trait we have in common: Steve really wants no part of any of this.

      • Alkanarra

        I don’t want to know what kind of messed-up answers someone would have to choose to get Wil.

    • Ike1

      I’ve got a decent job and I live in New York, but $45 to see those bozos live?! I was like, uh, no thanks.

      • Alkanarra

        But just think, you could’ve paid to see an Outback commercial. What a deal!

      • gouis

        Let people have their fun!

        • Ike1

          I’m just being a cheapskate smart-aleck, don’t mind me. I don’t begrudge anybody else their indulgence.

          • Hornacek

            Next you’re gonna tell me I wasted my money buying a PRP shirt.

      • Hornacek

        $45 to see and meet Cirie? That’s a bargain.

        • Ike1

          Oh wait, Cirie is part of the bargain? I didn’t catch that part.

          • Ms_Woozah

            She was! Some people were aggressive enough to meet her, even. (Not me, but i expect there will be pictures from others soon)

  • the sky is falling

    Coles edit is so confusing

  • Hornacek

    “Chrissy and Ryan sent Ali home.”

    Even the Previously on Survivor doesn’t give JP CREDIT FOR anything.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Somewhere, JT is watching Devon eat sugar by the spoonful and having serious war flashbacks.

    • sharculese

      If, at any given moment, I can’t see JT in front of me, I assume he’s in a parking lot playing cornhole. Or maybe in a field, playing cornhole. Or in someone’s driveway, playing cornhole. The point is, he’s playing cornhole.

      • gouis

        I mean he could also be passed out in a recliner with a half empty beer in his lap

        • sharculese

          That’s how you win at cornhole.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            The only true winner in cornhole is cornhole itself. All afternoon everybody plays cornhole. And everybody loves cornhole. And that moment–that very moment–it is the happiest cornhole alive. And then it gets dark and cornhole gets locked in the shed with the badminton net and the croquet set.

        • the sky is falling

          That’s why you drink beer from a sippy cup

          • gouis

            That’s monstrous

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I’m not originally from the South. “Playing cornhole” is a euphemism for butt stuff, right?

        • sharculese

          Sometimes it is, sometimes it’s about throwing a beanbag through a hole.

          Which, I guess, still sounds like a euphemism for butt stuff.

  • the sky is falling

    sick crane shot of Devon, nice job survivor

    • It was cool of Devon to die out there for all our sins.

      • sharculese

        Thanks, now my brain is making fanfiction about Devon Christ.

  • Streets_Ahead

    Prediction: Joe play his idol.

    • Hornacek

      Ding! Ding! Ca-ching!

  • So survivor learned nothing about giving the contestants enough food from last season.

    • the sky is falling

      They did get to eat a baby goat last season

      • They also didn’t make the contestants to a challenge that used usable food has a prop.

    • PurpleTally

      I mean, they don’t need to be eating three full meals a day, but if they’re running out of food this early, it’s a problem from a production angle.
      Unless someone’s using the Boston Rob playbook and making sure he/she’s always full.

  • Scarlett3639

    Purple merge buffs!!

  • Hornacek

    Oh that’s so cute. Joe thinks all the Healers will want to work with him.

  • Streets_Ahead

    Sandra’s favorite! We got Outback!

    • the sky is falling

      Typing cat gif

  • the sky is falling

    Sandra now a survivor consultant. outback called in

  • Taako From Teevhii

    So who’s gonna be the one to order their steak well-done?

    • gouis

      Lauren.

    • the sky is falling

      Ryan….

      • gouis

        No Ryan orders his steak Pittsburgh Rare in order to look like a tough guy but then can’t really eat it.

    • the sky is falling

      How do they put an advantage clue in the center of a steak?

    • sharculese

      “Jeff can I get my steak not from Outback?”

      • Taako From Teevhii

        You’re gonna get me going on Survivor pizza again…

    • purplerockandy

      Sounds like it was Joe.

      I used to make fun of people for well done, because it is an abomination. But more often than not, having your meat cooked well done is a symbol of poverty: when the quality of meat you can afford is garbage, you probably want to make sure that shit is COOKED.

      That said, we should never stop looking down on Trump for having his steak well done. Put it around reason 1537 for him being humanity’s worst person.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        This is a good point, but also remember that Joe threw away perfectly fine potatoes after others said they’d eat them instead.

        EDIT: potatoes? Coconuts? Idk

        • prettyboyprobst

          Ra’ potatas, ra’ potatas. Ra’ potatas, ra’ potatas.

          (That’s a Wiggle-Room Wand-Off reference. And yes, I went there.)

          Back to topic: Me, I’d rather eat raw potatoes than have everything on my plate soaked in blood, but I was never much of a steak eater to begin with.

          • Hornacek

            They are ridiculous, but the Wand-Off entries have me bursting out laughing on the bus ride to/from work, apologizing to the people next to me.

      • Hornacek

        What about Trump eating pizza with a knife and fork?

        • purplerockandy

          Reason 2143

          • Hornacek

            It really pissed off Jon Stewart when he was still on the Daily Show. Probably still does.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Joe’s not even going to get a chance to play his idol. After three steaks, he’s going out Joe Del Campo-style.

  • gouis

    Soooo manyyyy Cole confessionals

    • Streets_Ahead

      Just the editors giving the people what they want.

  • PurpleTally

    Holy shit. 8000 calories.

  • Ike1

    Ew, gross. I know they have to do product placements sometimes, but at the freaking merge? Ugh, grrr, that’s just wrong!

    • gouis

      I mean have you seen old seasons?

      • Ike1

        I admit I have a pretty lousy memory, but I don’t recall the merge feast getting pimped out like this before. Did it happen in the first 15 seasons or so? I missed some of those.

        • gouis

          Sandra was basically the biggest Outback shill of all time.

          • sharculese

            Yeah, but it’s okay when Sandra does it.

          • Hornacek

            She was the Outback shill GOAT.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          I don’t remember anything at the merge, but there was the Home Depot shelter “challenge” in All-Stars.

    • It could be worse the reward at the merge could have been a special appearance from Young Sheldon.

    • indescribable hat

      Even wronger is doing this when Sandra’s not there.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    We’re getting a high density of Ben confessionals. Idk if I should be excited or worried.

  • the sky is falling

    grammar police checking in, it’s ‘merged tribe’ not merge tribe, yeah?

  • Hornacek

    Now I’m waiting for someone to nail that advantage scroll into the wood.

  • the sky is falling

    Lol at outback commercial after outback reward

  • Hornacek

    Why is Nissan sponsoring The Last Jedi?

    • sharculese

      If you think about it, Nissan Sentra does sound like a Star Wars character.

  • Hornacek

    SOLEWA!

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Somehow r/Survivor will spin this into a brilliant move by Lauren.

    • Well maybe if she gets a majority, no wait this is still a dumb move.

  • Streets_Ahead

    Why will she not just give up on Cole? She’s have saying how bad he is. Let him go.

  • Hornacek

    Cinnamon stick etiquette.

    • gouis

      How do you eat cinnamon sticks? I mean it’s just like spicy bark?

      • the sky is falling

        And does it even have any nutritional benefit?

        • gouis

          No.

        • Hornacek

          The movie Cube taught me that chewing a button helps produce saliva to keep you from dehydrating.

          • sharculese

            The movie Cube taught me not to get trapped in a puzzle torture cube.

          • Hornacek

            Or if you do, listen to the artistic person.

        • Cinnamon has anti-inflammatory properties I think. Maybe he’d overexerted his pectoral muscles or something. How wrong we all were.

      • Streets_Ahead

        Patrick already showed us that some people aren’t above just eating sticks.

      • sharculese

        I assume Cole just puts things in his mouth and waits to see if they get him high.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          C’mon sharc. Really?

          He doesn’t have the patience and self-control to wait. If it’s not an instant effect, he spits it out.

          • sharculese

            Sometimes the destination is worth the journey.

  • Hornacek

    Chekov’s nail advantage. Will someone find it this episode, or is this something not found until episodes later?

    • the sky is falling

      Tony finds it and takes it to the spy bunker

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Based off of NTOS: It looks like Chrissy finds the clue and Cole sees her digging.

      • Hornacek

        I thought that Chrissy was the one at camp yelling “He’s digging!”?

  • Hornacek

    Joe should come into the challenge still eating a steak.

    • sharculese

      People named Joe going hog on some meat has traditionally made for good Survivor.

  • Hornacek

    Dr. Mike finally gets some action this season … with the tribal immunity idol.

  • Streets_Ahead

    Oh Desi hasn’t been voted out yet?

  • Streets_Ahead

    Coach does.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    That’s some good comedy with Dr. Mike. Even listening to Probst was his mistake.

  • the sky is falling

    Jessica first one to reach island hot status?

  • Hornacek

    “How many people do this on a Sunday in their backyard?”

    Coach raises his hand from his home.

    • I have. I live a boring life.

      • Hornacek

        I assume he watches Survivor like he does his RHAP interviews – on a treadmill.

    • prettyboyprobst

      Australians who prepare to be on Survivor would, as variations of this challenges were featured in both ‘modern’ seasons. The balance-element was a nice touch here. I like the how it tests different types of skills and how it’s likely to result in a deserving winner of the necklace, but it’s not exactly riveting television.

  • Hornacek

    Dr. Mike’s need to say something funny costs him this chall8.

  • the sky is falling

    Most boring obvious winner Ashley doing well

  • Streets_Ahead

    Was Chrissy only staying in that until Cole was out just to try and keep him from winning?

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I think she turned her head when he went down. So still possible her concentration broke.

      • Alkanarra

        Wouldn’t be a bad move though. If you really think you’re safe, why try to win an early immunity and put that target on yourself.

        • I thought she totally threw it because of her little smirk when she did it.

          • I think smirking is Chrissy’s default state.

        • purplerockandy

          When instead, you could sit on the bench proving how smart you are to put a target on yourself.

      • Hornacek

        All these people distracted by Probst or other players during this challenge reminds me of the carnival game where you have the water pistol and have to shoot water at the target to make the balloon blow up. Just keep your eye on your own target and don’t look at other people.

  • the sky is falling

    Probst hates Ryan, haha

    • I hope this comes a running joke because it would add some funniness to the season.

      • the sky is falling

        I hope he drags Ryan constantly

        • sharculese

          Ryan hopes something something… did you know he’s never had a girlfriend?

          • the sky is falling

            Probst at TC, you guys realize this buffoon voted for trump?

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Wait, who just won immunity?

    • Streets_Ahead

      Desi. She’s a walk on.

  • Hornacek

    Did Joe hit Cole with his ball?

  • sharculese

    I assume Jeff hates this challenge. He has to say ‘ball’ so many times, but there’s no way to make it about testicles. Even with a penis doctor standing in front of him.

    • I would think you wrong because he kept using the basic phrase: seduced by the sound.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      “Swinging balls around” wasn’t on the table?

    • Hornacek

      I’m sure Jeff kept telling Kirhoffer (sp?) “Make it so that the players add a second ball later in the challenge so I can say ‘balls’ a lot.” with Kirhoffer saying “That won’t work, and stop asking.”

  • Alkanarra

    My prediction of Challenge Beast Desi slowly coming true.

  • Blurry Denzel

    Desi won immunity!!! Desi forever!!!

    • gouis

      How are you still conscious?

      • He is still at Live KIAs.

      • Blurry Denzel

        I have no clue. Plus I’m watching Desi on a theater screen.

    • And then she said a grand total of zero words for the remaining 27 minutes of the episode, which was nothing if not depressingly predictable.

      • purplerockandy

        It’s probably because she’s boring AF.

        • If this is accurate, and she’s super-sexy AND super-boring, that actually makes her the female JP. cc @John.

          • purplerockandy

            Her only contribution to this season has been her challenge prowess…

          • prettyboyprobst

            Being super-focused in challenges brings out her beauty even more. I hope that swiss cheese-maze makes a return as an individual challenge only for that reason (before she’s gone). .

          • Purple Rock Emma

            A bowl of oatmeal can’t be sexy.

        • sharculese

          This puts us in the terrifying position of Corinne having been right about something.

          • purplerockandy

            Corinne just took a picture with her, so I imagine she’ll reverse that stance instantly.

    • Hornacek

      Wiggum never!!!

  • Hornacek

    I have trouble patting my head and rubbing my stomach at the same time – This challenge looks hard to concentrate during it.

    It’s so confusing I can’t even form grammatically correct sentences.

  • Hornacek

    Chrissy shows off her actuary skills!

    • jniedj

      I thought this said archery and I was really bummed I missed that part of the episode.

      • Hornacek

        Chrissy = Katniss

        • Prom King

          Chrissy = Alma Coin, so no.

          Ryan = Katniss!

          • Hornacek

            Ryan = Prue

          • Prom King

            I’ll co-sign that.

  • Hornacek

    Jeff is just trolling Ryan at this point.

  • sharculese

    I don’t care for this immunity necklace. Is that supposed to be an ax head?

    • There is the scale of the justice on there.

    • Streets_Ahead

      I think it’s a bib.

  • the sky is falling

    Ben has a tramp stamp

  • Wait, Ben has a tramp stamp?

    • sharculese

      When a man gets it its…

      it’s still called a tramp stamp.

      Also, it’s hard to hate on Ben’s tattoos when Joe has that… thing on his arm.

      • the sky is falling

        Lost bet in marine service I guess

        • sharculese

          It’s hard to tell but it may be the cover of 40 Oz. to Freedom.

      • I didn’t notice Joe’s…yet.

        • sharculese

          It’s his entire left arm and it looks like the stomach baby man thing from Total Recall.

          • Hornacek

            “Joe … free Mars!”

  • Taako From Teevhii

    This is the point where I mention that in a secret confessional, Cole admits to being that guy who steals food from his roommates. Which, like, yeah; we knew that just from watching him on the show. But still…

    • Diego Armando

      They knew he stole his food. They retaliated by telling them by successfully tricking him into paying half of their share of the rent.

  • gouis

    Not to be THAT kind of nerd, but doesn’t it look like Ben has a tattoo of Birdperson on his chest?

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Yes. Even nerdier: it looks like Decidueye.

      • Diego Armando

        That was my first thought.

    • the sky is falling

      It’s Egyptian I think

    • Have you SEEN the terrifying babything on Joe’s shoulder?

  • Welcome to Cole tells it all.

  • the sky is falling

    Speaking of tattoos, wtf is on joes left arm?

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      That’s a sonogram of the baby his wife is pregnant with. He’s saving the story for final tribal council.

      • Hornacek

        The baby is going to be his loved one visit.

  • Streets_Ahead

    Chrissy can do math. Better vote her out.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      She really did throw the numbers out too quick. If she was a decent actuary, she’d know the risks of that.

      • gouis

        Mike 1000% also knew the answer but isn’t a showboat.

  • Um…guys, Lauren is there.

  • indescribable hat

    BABY TURTLE!!!

    • StormofCuteness

      I nearly jumped off the couch with joy when we saw that! *Squee*

  • “How many people do this on a Sunday in their backyard?”

    I have. I live a boring life.

    • Hornacek

      You must find Dr. Mike so exciting.

  • Hornacek

    Of course Cole tells Joe a secret!

    • Streets_Ahead

      I don’t think anything that Cole knows should be considered a secret at this point.

  • PurpleTally

    I need them to not vote out Chrissy, because my pick four team is already screwed enough.

    • PurpleTally

      Can’t they vote out Joe? Because that would be VERY good for me in Champion’s League.

  • gouis

    If Chrissy goes for Jessica here then I think we can put away any “does Chrissy hate women” arguments.

    • Jessica is the right move here though.

    • wonderand

      In all seriousness, the greater math world is great breeding ground for a Not Like Other Girls mentality.
      (Credentials: I medaled in competitive mental math as a young’un.)

      • indescribable hat

        I think a lot of STEM stuff is like that. You start playing along with the misogyny and then you start buying into it.

        • gouis

          I can see that, but most of the women I know in science are very into solidarity. It’s to the point I’m almost jealous because the guys are all way too selfish.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Is “We’re Going To War” the better title for this episode?

  • I feel like this is going to be a straightforward TC.

  • Hornacek

    “I’ve been applying to this show for 16 years.” That used to be a good thing. Then we met Dan Foley and we learned why production would reject some people who applied every year.

    • the sky is falling

      It wasn’t a good thing in season 12

      • Hornacek

        Judd?

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Idk I feel like a time traveler would be pretty good casting.

    • purplerockandy

      Honestly, I’m not sure it’s ever been a good thing. Trust your instincts, Survivor producers.

      • Hornacek

        During Worlds Apart, once we saw how bad a player/person Dan was, someone on here (maybe you or @purplerockjohn:disqus) said that the casting department was so sick of Dan applying every season and knew that he would be terrible on the show that they eventually just bit the bullet and said “Ok, let’s just put him on, he’ll be terrible, and then we’ll never have to hear from him again.”

  • the sky is falling

    I’m all in on the Joe Mike War

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Jesus, Joe’s an idiot.

  • sharculese

    Joe is hitting Max Dawson levels of trying too hard to be good TV.

    • gouis

      Joe is 10 times the player Max was. Although 10 times zero….

    • And like Max Dawson I would say his hit ratio is that 1 out of 3 acts that work. The idol thing tonight was one of them.

  • PurpleTally

    My gut says Cole, but my head says it’s probably going to be Jessica or Chrissy, because my witch-y powers are on the fritz.

  • the sky is falling

    Fantasy points baby!

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Do we think that Ashley and Devon told the rest of their alliance that Joe played the idol for himself that time? And do we think that influenced their plan to just switch targets?

    • Streets_Ahead

      Yes and probably.

    • Hornacek

      During the merge feast wasn’t there a scene where someone asked Joe about how he played his idol on the swap tribe? I don’t know if we saw the rest of that conversation but I wouldn’t be surprised if Joe proudly described that entire tribal to everyone.

  • Hornacek

    Dr. Mike does a pretty good Joe impression.

    • gouis

      Dr. Mike is our only hope that this season can still turn out well.

      • sharculese

        I still like Ben.

        • gouis

          This affinity for Chrissy takes him down a peg.

          • Are we SURE his plan to never talk to or be seen with her is purely strategic?

          • I mean we did get a good look at his relationship with Lauren.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    So we figured out why the Jessica-Cole-Mike plot wasn’t featured.

  • PurpleTally

    And now I’m screwed in Champion’s League too. ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

    • Oh wait, oh shit, no. I need my Junior Witch

      • PurpleTally

        It all comes down to Lauren now. LAUREN.

        • Hey, it’s better than Cole.

          • Diego Armando

            Lauren has a non-0% Chance a tie winning.

        • indescribable hat

          She got a lot of screen time this episode…

    • Well I happy to dance on your grave. Going for that strong fourth in the Champion’s League.

  • wonderand

    I might spend my Wednesday night Survivor hour writing Jessica’s Vengeance fanfic from here on out. My last remaining high hopes, dashed! (And immediately transferring to Desi, surely to be dashed again.)

  • Important note: Jessica is not on the jury.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      So no Ponderosa hookup for Cole. Not to say that Jess would be into that anyway.

      • the sky is falling

        Cool your boots, Cole will be there soon

      • purplerockandy

        Honestly, it’s better for everyone that she got away from him ASAP. The guy’s no good for you girl.

    • Sylvisual

      Constantly missing things by THAT much.

  • Scarlett3639

    For someone who seems convinced he is playing well and dialed it, it did not look like Joe had any idea that Jessica or Christy were being targeted.

    • the sky is falling

      I think Joe just didn’t wanna go out with idol in pocket. he played first one as soon as he could also

    • Hornacek

      Maybe, but it’s just as likely that Joe could not comprehend that Heroes/Hustlers alliance targeting someone besides him or Cole.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I feel like he probably knew Chrissy was targeted.

  • Hornacek

    Well, Joe played his idol wrong, but he never would have played it for Jessica. It was either on him or on Cole. So if he played it, it was going to be wasted.

    • Correct.

      • the sky is falling

        See below, Joe knows he can find another

  • I think the moment that Joe pulled out the idol it meant that Jessica was doomed because there was an off chance he would play it on Cole. And yes the large alliance of Heroes and Hustlers made the right move by targeting the Edgardo in the situation. I just sad it happened to such a likable player like Jessica.

    • the sky is falling

      She is a great loss on this season, she should be back

      • There is still a way these season can turn into an upper tier season. And I can kind of see how we get there.

        • Walk us through it.

          • the sky is falling

            Yeah, I can’t see upper tier season at all, but I can see satisfying season happen

          • Alright but I should start with the final three in these case would be Dr. Mike, Ben and Chrissy. It would start with us losing either Desi or Cole next week. The other would go the next week. Joe would somehow be immune for next week. With Dr. Mike bond with Ben and Lauren he manages to be safe and Chrissy decides this would be the perfect time to take out a threat such as Devon. Then chaos reigns for the final eight until we get final four of Mike, Ben, Chrissy, and Ryan The plan is take Dr Mike but they are got off guard by the final four elimination will be decided by fire duel. Ben wins immunity and takes Chrissy with him leading to duel which Dr Mike wins. Final tribal ends in tie with Ryan voting Chrissy, the three Healers voting Dr Mike, and everybody else voting Ben. This leaves Chrissy to decide the winner of these two likable guys.

          • That’s a pretty solid ending.

          • I told you and the best part is it could realistically happen.

          • Ms_Woozah

            I’d be down with something like that.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I feel like there’s a lot to dissect in the NToS, but I don’t know where to start.

    • Chrissy voting Jessica off on purpose so she could get her hands on Cole? ;-p

  • Hornacek

    Next time … idol wrestling!

    • Mike Hirsch

      Cole should absolutely win that.

      • I’m betting Chrissy fights dirty. Jessica is going to be weeping into her Thunder From Down Under when she sees this footage.

  • I like to imagine that Ben has a military analogy for every possible situation in life. Ordering a pizza, why he didn’t take the trash out, doing the Christmas shopping…

    I was going to do a humorous quote to accompany this, but then I remembered I’m British so I don’t really care about the military (apart from I guess vague post-colonial guilt) at all so feel free to compose your own.

    • the sky is falling

      Um, you guys had a military that owned most of the world for a while

      • sharculese

        Yeah, but it was mostly boat stuff.

        • gouis

          Like corn hole?

          • sharculese

            It’s hard to play cornhole on a boat. The rocking throws off your pitch.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            When you’re playing cornhole, the rocking is essential to establishing a rhythm.

          • gouis

            Gotta ease them in there

          • Taako From Teevhii

            It’s not cornhole if you’re not well-lubricated.

            That’s why you have the bag in the one hand and a beer in the other.

      • Which is now why we have Brexit, because some of The Olds seem to think the only thing holding us back from recreating our Glorious Empire is the pesky EU, so even visions of handsome soldiers marching around in ridiculous headwear is sullied.

        • the sky is falling

          Don’t worry, USA is way more fucked up than Britain right now. We are about to end human life on earth so you are all good.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I was going to say that we have a bit of a reprieve, as the missiles won’t fire while President Fucking Moron is in Asia, but this administration is so incompetent that I can’t rule it out.

          • the sky is falling

            Yeah, don’t wanna get into a whole politics thing, but fuck that guy

          • Hornacek

            I could see Kim John blowing up the U.S. while Trump is in Asia as a way to say “Ha! Have fun going home to that nuclear wasteland!”

          • If you promised me that everyone who voted for Brexit would die, I would happily go down with them.

    • Mike Hirsch
    • NearlyNina

      I mean… Britain still has a military. A military that has been involved in quite a few conflicts over the last 20 or so years and that is currently active atm.

      • Yeah, but Britain isn’t really /proud/ of its military in the way that Americans are. Like, you’d never get a ‘thank you for your service’ in a bar, or anything like that. Maybe an ‘if you break that, you’re paying for it.’

        • NearlyNina

          Oh ok. Yeah, it’s similar in Canada. Although we got far more militaristic in the last 10 years there’s still not really a culture surrounding it.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I’m wondering if this post-merge is just going to be a peppery pagonging; that is, the outcome is the same as a normal pagoninging, but we get a more dynamic path to that outcome (like idol wras’lin’). I heard rumors of post-merge fireworks, and there better be some dammit.

    • the sky is falling

      Who’s getting pagonged? Healers?

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Maybe healers in short order, then Ben-Lauren-JP-Ashley take out Ryan or Devon (without Chrissy’s help or approval), and we end up with a FTC of JP, Ashley, and Lauren–JFC this got bleak fast.

        • the sky is falling

          This is a nightmare scenario

        • Mike still has an idol. There is slim hope.

          • Does anyone know about this idol now that Jessica is gone.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Spoiler maybe? Cole does

          • Oh shit.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Let’s be honest though Do we expect him to remember that four days later?

            Also, I can tell that you don’t read my video posts. THANKS BARBARA.

          • What do you mean by that?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            The first part or the second part?

          • Second.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            In last week’s video post, I gave the evidence for the (kinda) spoiler I posted above. But I was also joking in that comment, it’s not that serious.

          • I forgot that that was the case and also, yes I read your post. That’s how I get reminded that I need to listen to a certain podcast.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Oh, that’s right. And while we’re talking about it, I’ll remind you again: catch up before it’s too late!

          • Hornacek

            In Jessica’s RHAP exit interview, she says that she never told Cole about Dr. Mike’s idol. So unless he found out some other way, he doesn’t know about it.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            You should join us on Mondays.

            http://www.purplerockpodcast.com/survivor-heroes-vs-healers-vs-hustlers-bonus-content-roundup-week-5/

            Still take the quote in there with a grain of salt, but it’s consistent with Jessica’s version of events.

          • Hornacek

            Even if you believe Cole, Jessica didn’t tell him. And if you do believe him, all it means is that Cole thought that either Jessica or Dr. Mike had the idol. At this point in the game he has no idea if Dr. Mike has an idol or if Jessica left the game with an idol.

            Besides, I put about as much stock in Cole being able to read people as Joe being able to read Ashley’s face at that swap tribe tribal. Remember, Cole is the person who couldn’t tell that everyone was upset with him for eating too much food or catching a fish and then not sharing it with anyone.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            That’s what I’m saying, that Jessica didn’t have to verbally tell him; he can still know about the idol. I think it’s fair that Cole wouldn’t necessarily know if Jessica or Mike had the idol, but he has to know that there’s a chance it’s still in the game with Mike.

            And I think Cole knows that people don’t like when he eats more than his share of food. He just doesn’t care.

          • Hornacek

            If we believe Cole’s words (and I’m leaning towards the “I don’t” side), then Cole suspects that Jessica or Dr. Mike found the idol. But this is like other players thinking Joe found another idol because he found one before. No one told Cole that Dr. Mike found an idol, and beyond his suspicions, he really doesn’t know.

            And as we saw in this week’s episode, I don’t think Cole has any clue that he’s annoying people when he eats too much food or doesn’t share food. He was legitimately surprised when Jessica told him people were mad at him because of the cinnamon sticks.

          • I’m guessing not?

            Another point in Mike’s favour: there’s no suggestion he ever, for one moment, considered using that idol to save either Cole or Joe.

          • Hornacek

            I liked Dr. Mike mocking Joe at tribal but making it sound like they were still friends.

          • the sky is falling

            Mike is a delight. nerd archetype, but a nice as hell guy

          • the sky is falling

            My short list of acceptable returnees right now is Mike, Jessica, Devon, Ben, Ali, Desi

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I would add Joe. In fact, Joe is the only one right now that I would want to see back. I don’t even like him. But he is the only one so far that has done enough to make me want to see him a second time.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            How quickly one bellhop abandons the other…

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            There is plenty of time for people to do more stuff. This episode gave me so much hope for the rest of the game!

          • Diego Armando

            Joe will at least do stuff.

          • the sky is falling

            Ooh, I forgot Joe, he is playing hard. I just assumed he’d be back, since I don’t think we get Tony back again

          • prettyboyprobst

            I would add Lauren and put Jessica on the fringe with Alan and Chrissy, but otherwise I’m on board with this short list.
            Chrissy is an interesting player, but it seems like we’ll see enough of her on this season and she doesn’t appear to have the personality that would demand a returnee spot. That said, they could do worse with her archetype and not many spring to mind that would be much better (does Kass count?).

          • the sky is falling

            Yeah, unless Chrissy wins, I just don’t see her returning. Also, I really don’t want Ryan to return. If you need a nerdy, fish out of water type, David is a far superior option. And now that I think about it, I’d rather see Jay back than Devon, not sure they would have them both back.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Probably not on the same season, but not everyone is always available and there might be more than just one opportunity. Of course, Jay over Devon is a no-brainer.
            I think David competes more with Mike for a returnee spot. Ryan may not be unlikely to come back, but since you brought up “acceptable” options, I didn’t list him. Not acceptable to me.

          • the sky is falling

            Mike has a lot more self confidence than David, but it’s probably too much of a similar type if they are both on. but I would watch the shit out of Survivor:Nerd Island

          • prettyboyprobst

            Can it be “Nerds vs Hotties”? I need my quota of hot chicks on any season, so we need enough hotties of every kind.

          • the sky is falling

            Let’s throw some strong people in there too. They can call it “Brains vs. Brawn vs Beauty”

          • prettyboyprobst

            Works for me.

        • NearlyNina

          What did Ashley do? Or, conversely, not do? She hasn’t been a big player but she’s had strategy talks and seems like an active player.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            If JP wasn’t on that island, we’d all be talking about how bland she is. It’s hard to get excited about a player when they have no personality.

          • They sure make sure to check in with her for a confessional or two every episode though, don’t they?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I’ll allow that, but watch yourself counselor…

          • Except I can see the evidence for it…

          • Taako From Teevhii

            It’s not so much the outcome that I don’t like (even though I don’t); but y’all are courting a Kaoh Rong redux.

    • Alkanarra

      That’s my concern as well. If I’m the joint heroes/hustlers alliance, I see almost no reason not to just pick all the healers off. Normally you’d keep one or two around to pocket vote for you when you turn on your alliance, but who are those pairs? *None* of them have made any inroads that we’ve seen except with Ben, who clearly staked out his territory.

      • Right and from this tribal, all five of them (especially Joe/Mike/Cole) were just a little too buddy buddy.

        • Alkanarra

          Yep. And even moreso, now that you’re littering the jury with healers, there’s no way you can take the risk and let one sneak though. Real worried it’s gonna be a by-the-books pagonging.

          • TBF, there will only be 4 on the jury.

          • Alkanarra

            That’s not an *only* scenario. That’s 4 of 9 (?) jurors who are bitter because they were pagonged and will vote for the person who sided with them. You’re basically hoping you get all non-healer votes. Way too risky.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            You still don’t want to give anyone a 3-vote handicap tho

          • Right….unless it’s Cole

        • the sky is falling

          Joe and Mike were buddy buddy?

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Lauren can maybe pull in Dr. Mike to tie up with the Heroes at 4, but she seems just as likely (if not more) to bail on Ryan and Devon to team up with Ben.

        • Wouldn’t you?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I would keep Dr. Mike and still play with Ben as a trio, but I don’t see Lauren doing that.

          • If I could hear the way the editors were playing the rattlesnake sound effect every time Chrissy or Ryan appeared on-screen, I would.

        • indescribable hat

          Will Lauren and Mike be the true jock/nerd partnership of the season?

    • Mike Hirsch

      Maybe literal fireworks?

      • Taako From Teevhii

        It’d be more entertaining than whatever we get from JP over the entire season.

        • Mike Hirsch

          I liked how JP said absolutely nothing this whole episode.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Well, we heard an utterance of “she had to go” after tribal, but really, JP could be speaking in un-subtitled Mandarin and have the same effect on the show.

          • Maritimer

            I’m all for the world where JP just stands there, shuts up, and looks pretty for the rest of the season

          • Hornacek

            I mentioned it above during the episode, but I laughed when even the “Previously on Survivor” trolled JP by saying that Ryan and Chrissy voted out Ali, completely ignoring JP’s vote.

      • When we get to the fireworks factory.

        • Mike Hirsch

          Dammit. That means never.

  • Hornacek

    Was it just me or was Chrissy rocking that bathing suit in that wide shot on her walking on the beach when the other alliance was talking about voting her out?

    Pretty good for 39

    • Purplerockmatt

      uh yes, yes she was.

    • corndogshuffle

      I have thought more than once this season about how fantastic Chrissy looks.

    • She’s got an awesome body. Island hotness has kicked in for her.

    • Streets_Ahead

      I also had this thought.

  • wonderand

    So since Jessica’s out, can we discuss this season’s treatment of “Jessica’s a virgin” versus “Ryan’s never been in a relationship”? Is Ryan ACTUALLY more obnoxious about it or am I just a misandrist?

    (I *think* the difference to me is that Jessica’s comments are about her–she’s a virgin, it sounds like it’s a choice/religious commitment–whereas Ryan’s comments are about how women have failed to appreciate his availability/existence–he’s never been in a relationship, nobody’s ever wanted to get in his pants.)

    • I think Jessica’s storyline was more relevant while Ryan seems to bring it up every chance he can get.

      • wonderand

        YES, very accurate. Ryan seems to think it is a Big Deal when it’s only a deal at all because he’s making it one, whereas Jessica is awkward but chill about noting how it affects the relationships she’s building where it COULD be an actual issue.

      • Managing to insert “I’m a virgin!” into discussion of Outback Steakhouse was kinda egregious tbf

        • Kingoftonga

          I hope she gets a chance to meet that Outback waiter in Ponderosa. Jessica, you can do better than Cole!

        • wonderand

          (As someone who grew up in Christian Virginity Culture, I’m suppressing a few “Out back” jokes here.)

          ETA: but yes, that was the moment I started vaguely worrying about her chances of making it to next week.

          • sharculese

            You can join us in the boat stuff thread…

          • PurpleTally

        • I haven’t watched the pre-challenge stuff yet, but you have to remember that this was her boot episode.

        • Discussion of sexual exploits pairs perfectly with a bloomin’ onion, though.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Please direct this comment to the boat stuff thread.

          • PurpleTally

            Sex and the City: but with bloomin’ onions instead of cocktails.

          • Sex and the Midwestern City

          • wonderand

            (Sex and the Suburb?)

          • sharculese

            You mean Cougar Town?

          • PurpleTally

            Cougar Town was all about the wine, though.

          • sharculese

            I realized after I made the joke that Desperate Housewives would have worked better but what was I supposed to do?

          • PurpleTally

            Big Joe would be so disappointed.

          • Something Quirky

            I miss Cougar Town. It was so underrated.

          • Hornacek

            Ok, Abed.

          • Something Quirky

            It actually bothers me that the scene he described was not the same as his scene on the show.

          • Hornacek

            Even for Abed, that would be too meta.

          • PurpleTally

            Cougar Town is the best. That might be what I marathon this weekend. It’s delightful.

          • I am thrilled to say I have no idea what that is.

    • gouis

      You are not wrong.

    • PurpleTally

      Agreed. I’m a virgin, and there’s no shame in my game. I don’t mind mentioning it, but I also don’t do it in a self-deprecating way that is really just being skeezy and saying that guys don’t know what they’re missing.

      • the sky is falling

        Yeah, when folks say “I’m a virgin” I usually just eye roll. Nobody cares mostly

        • PurpleTally

          That’s why I don’t bring it up in normal everyday conversation at an Outback Steakhouse.

          • the sky is falling

            Exactly, it’s just a weird thing to randomly announce

          • PurpleTally

            A lot of people only bring it up to appear morally superior.
            I don’t feel morally superior to anyone. Just too busy to date.

          • corndogshuffle

            I knew someone in college who would drop that kind of comment to make herself feel superior.

            “I don’t drink/have sex because I have morals”.

            It was tough not to eye roll at here in literally every conversation. And she dated my roommate for a year… just insufferable.

          • PurpleTally

            I have a really close friend who was a virgin until she got married and doesn’t drink at all. She was also the president of our dis-honor society (read: drinking club) at college and does slut walks. You can have your own personal morals without shitting on other people.

          • sharculese

            There’s no such thing as normal conversation at an Outback Steakhouse.

          • corndogshuffle

            You regularly have normal everyday conversation at Outback?

          • sharculese

            Goddammit I thought this problem was over after that one week!

          • corndogshuffle

            We’re in lockstep! Even weirder is that I was starting to make basically the same follow up post that you did… freaky.

      • NearlyNina

        I mean, to be fair, Ryan hasn’t actually said that either… Maybe it happened in everybody’s Ryan is a mysandrist nice guy redditor fanfic, but it hasn’t actually happened on the show.

    • Purplerockmatt

      yup sounds about right

    • indescribable hat

      It could also be that Ryan is an off-putting person in general and Jessica is not.

      • PurpleTally

        This has a lot to do with it. Ryan is the worst.

    • Alkanarra

      I don’t think Ryan is more obnoxious. To me the only difference is that it’s surprising/endearing when Jessica says it because she’s attractive and charming and could realistically get it whenever she wants based on a whole bevy of positive qualities she brings to the table, looks notwithstanding. When Ryan says it, you just nod your head and say “sounds about right.”

      • wonderand

        This is why I asked! I have not made a secret of my opinion that Ryan is more obnoxious IN GENERAL (which dovetails with your point), but ideally it should be equally cool for people of any gender to have whatever sexual/romantic history, and equally weird for them to mention it multiple times every episode.

        I do wonder where the line is between “of course, it’s easy for attractive people to be confident about their sexual history” and “maybe you’d find it easier to attract people if you weren’t so self-deprecating about this.” (Maybe the difference is that it feels like Jessica is in control of her life/choices, and Ryan is routinely spinning out about his? Which could go back to the baseline-attractiveness thing again, or not. I don’t know; heterosexuals and their ways are confusing.)

        • indescribable hat

          Not to make this conversation crude or anything, but I’d do Ryan.

        • Alkanarra

          Yeah, I’m totally willing to admit I may be projecting. They’re both using this to tell us something about themselves. With Jessica is seems like the story is threefold: (1) this is my background, (2) I want it “to be perfect”, and (3) I’m a very flaky, non-confident person. Ryan always gives off the impression of “I’m lacking a skill that will get me a thing I want, but I make up for it in other ways.” It’s like he’s describing his DND character’s flaw right before boasting about his 16 in Charisma. Or, rather, Ryan isn’t that way out of his own choice whereas Jessica is.

          • wonderand

            When you put it that way, it’s interesting that both storylines (if you can call them that) are reinforcing the purity-culture narrative that sex is a thing that men always want and women are responsible for withholding.

          • Alkanarra

            Honestly, I don’t think it’s the show pushing that narrative, I think it’s the people playing that narrative out themselves. The show is just rolling with it.

          • Ike1

            Yeah, it’s sad how people often live their own stereotypes.

    • the sky is falling

      The difference is how guys who are virgins are losers. but disgusting men have this idea that banging a female virgin is a badge of honor.

      • wonderand

        I don’t think this is untrue, but I do think it’s linked not only to gender, but to general attractiveness, whatever that means. I promise you the politics of sexuality are also complex and punitive for women.

        • the sky is falling

          I was more saying that it’s disgusting that some men think it’s a turn on to ‘get’ a virgin

          • wonderand

            Yeahhhh, I for sure think that’s one of the reasons we’ve had, e.g., “my virginity at the Outback Steakhouse (TM) merge feast” interview footage cut in.

    • By The Numbers

      I think Jessica’s comments are so much more tolerable because it’s definitely a religious thing that she finds really important, so it influences the way she interacts with guys – she’s a bit more shy and reserved because it’s not a risk she wants to take for religious reasons.

      Ryan on the other hand is a nerd who women don’t find desirable and mentioned it a lot

      • the sky is falling

        I just don’t get why you wanna announce it on national tv. I haven’t had any action in a while, but certainly not gonna announce it to millions of people

        • By The Numbers

          Maybe it’s one of those things where you get so used to talking the cameras that you kind of forget that everything you say is fodder for reality TV

          I also kind of get the feeling Jessica is in on the joke. Like “haha I’m 29 and nevertheless been in a serious relationship”

        • indescribable hat

          I think the question of why he’s talking about it is what makes it weird to me. Like it just doesn’t seem genuinely self-deprecating because Ryan seems to really like Ryan, so…he’s just following the script for nerd characters?

          • Someone suggested last week that it is a strategic ploy for post-show pity sex from viewers, and I am willing to believe that is a thing Ryan might come up with.

          • sharculese

            Ryan kind of reminds me of that plot arc on Seinfeld where George thinks he can get laid by telling women he’s a sitcom writer.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Wouldn’t that be Cochran?

          • Hornacek

            George: “My name is George. I’m unemployed and I live with my parents.”
            Woman in diner: (impressed) “I’m Victoria. Hi.”

    • Diego Armando

      Yeah, personal reasons are better than grudge reasons. Plus she is more charming.

    • The difference to me is that Jessica is more genuine about it. Ryan is trying to play up a persona, Jessica is projecting what feels like her actual personality.

      • By The Numbers

        And Jessica seems like a genuinely really nice person so is 10x more likable

        • Definitely. It’s why I didn’t roll my eyes at her crush on Cole. She seems incapable of putting on an act, so it feels like we’re seeing her actual feelings about Cole.

          • By The Numbers

            Generally the show is really bad at portraying social game, but Jessica did have a likability about her so even though she never even went to tribal council I’m bummed she left

    • Streets_Ahead

      In this one case I think Ryan was meant to be self deprecating and saying as if it was a failing on his part not that it was the fault of others. But maybe I just would rather look at it in a way that doesn’t annoy me.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Jessica also seems perfectly fine with her virginity (which, power to her), whereas Ryan seems like he’s a bitter, twisted husk of a chronically single guy who, if he was being 100% honest with himself, loves being alone but can’t admit that to anyone ever.

      • Purplerockmatt

        Dude have you been speaking to my therapist? I’m just kidding I don’t have a therapist. Have you been speaking to my tv, to which I tell all my problems?

    • purplerockandy

      You’re not a misandrist because that’s not a real thing.

      • wonderand

        I mean, also that!
        (Sometimes I forget I’ve left my tiny corner of the queer feminist internet, where “misandrist” is read with an automatic eye roll and air quotes. Hello, outside world!)

  • Hornacek

    I’m assuming next week Cole finds Chekov’s nail scroll which tells him to dig for an idol under the tribe flag on the beach. Him digging in front of everyone is his way of preemptively telling everyone the secret of where this idol is.

    • the sky is falling

      If Ashley or JP win, this season spirals to the bottom

    • Give him a break, he doesn’t have Jessica here to do his thinking for him any more.

      • Hornacek

        And since she’s not on the jury, he won’t see her for the rest of the season (assuming he doesn’t get voted out next week, and the vote-out next week is on the jury).

    • Maritimer

      I was wondering about that clue. Was it shown because someone finds it or just to clown Cole?

      • Hornacek

        I haven’t read the other comments yet, but this morning I thought that maybe Chrissy plants her fake idol in that spot on the beach to fool Cole, and somehow she convinces him into thinking there’s a real idol there.

        Although it seems like she is really struggling to get that idol before him, so it’s probably not that.

        • Cole knows to look for maps on trees, though. So I think it’s more likely that he finds one.

          • Hornacek

            That’s assuming the post-merge idols will continue to have clues on trees. Maybe this idol-hunt is related to the scroll hidden with the nails?

        • Maritimer

          That would be fun, but think its unlikely. Though the fake idol is another Chekhov’s gun that hasn’t gone off yet

  • New drinking game: take a drink every time JP says something.

    Congratulations, you have achieved sobriety.

    • Kingoftonga

      Does the grunt he made when he lost the challenge count?

      • NearlyNina

        You mean the sign of an impending temper-tantrum squeal? Lolololol!

    • corndogshuffle

      This really would be the worst drinking game ever. Especially if you amended it to be “drink every time JP says something *interesting*”.

      • It’s my new One Step Plan.

        • corndogshuffle

          Short of going cold turkey this is about as immediate an action as you can take.

          • sharculese

            Don’t go cold turkey. It’s… terrifying.

          • corndogshuffle

            I ain’t no quitter.

    • Hornacek

      If this isn’t the featured comment, there is something wrong here.

  • the sky is falling

    Anyone think AV club cancels survivor coverage? Less than 20 comments on every post this season

    • corndogshuffle

      It’s pretty amazing how they took what was once a fairly robust base of commenters and completely destroyed it in such a short time.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        It’s a very sad shell of its former self.

        • the sky is falling

          It makes me unreasonably angry. It was on my list of daily sites to visit and they completely ruined it. It makes me very very sad

          • corndogshuffle

            For real. I used to spend so much time over there… I wonder how many other people just don’t go there any more.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I still check it for TV reviews and pop culture “news,” but it’s not the same without the AVC commentariat. And now the Kinja commenters are bleeding in, and it’s just very stupid overall in the comment sections.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I also read the reviews and ignore the comments now

          • the sky is falling

            My problem is the navigation and site design

          • Taako From Teevhii

            The Kinjamprove Chrome extension helps the comments, but outside of that, it’s a hot mess.

          • the sky is falling

            The problem is, it’s the same design as 8 other sites. I can’t tell if I’m on Jezebel, the onion, kotaku or lifehacker. design matters! Goddammit!

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Even different color schemes would help

          • the sky is falling

            Yeah, they are all identical, and cross post across sites, it’s a nightmare! It’s like, if I’m on the CNn site, I don’t want a Fox News article in my feed!

          • Streets_Ahead

            I don’t have to tell because I pretty much won’t go to any site that’s kinja’ed it’s just so ugly and poorly laid out.

          • corndogshuffle

            It is *so much* more difficult to navigate than it used to be. I don’t understand why it has to be that way. The site used to be simple.

          • Purplerockmatt

            At least everyone knows they screwed it up, it has already become an internet wide joke

          • the sky is falling

            Fucking corporations!

          • the sky is falling

            To me, it’s not as bad as Twitter fucking with their core functionality. No one was asking for longer tweets, screw them

          • I am looking forward to using around 142 characters and no longer having to decide which punctuation crime to commit.

          • the sky is falling

            I don’t even use Twitter, but that change triggered me. the whole point of 140 was to force you to condense the point of your note

          • Taako From Teevhii

            With people threading tweets, I can understand why 140 might be obsolete. But you could still skip over the threads with the 140-characters ledes. When I see a 280, my eyes glaze over.

          • the sky is falling

            Yeah, it’s just too much. You go to Facebook for long posts

          • purplerockandy

            Same. But I’m thinking the fix was to go to 150, not 280.

          • Hornacek

            I will miss Colbert saying “dot dot dot” when reading Trump’s tweets.

          • the sky is falling

            I wouldn’t count on NOT still seeing the dot dot dot

          • Hornacek

            Yeah, once Trump gets used to the 280 limit he’ll just make each tweet twice as long.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Twitter tryna fuck up their website like they’re the av club or something— Scott Aukerman (@ScottAukerman) November 8, 2017

            https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

          • Purplerockmatt

            there it is! gah couldn’t remember the joke I saw, just the jist of people clowning on the avclub

          • indescribable hat

            I no longer drop by to see what’s going on, now I google specific TV shows to read the reviews because the new site is annoying.

          • corndogshuffle

            I don’t watch tons of TV that isn’t live sports, but I used to hang out over there for every show I watched. So basically, Survivor and HIMYM. Now I hardly ever go there for anything.

          • Alkanarra

            So you too survived the Great War that was late-era HIMYM? And are you likewise still unacceptably pissed about that finale?

          • PurpleTally

            I am still furious at the HIMYM finale. I was a HUGE fan of that show. Even wrote a song about it. The last 10 minutes of the finale ruined the whole thing.

          • the sky is falling

            The, “mother is dead” part ruined it for me, it’s a goddam comedy show

          • Alkanarra

            The show gravely underestimated how well badly Cristin Milioti would knock that role out of the park.

          • PurpleTally

            They filmed the ending of the show after season one (maybe season two), probably only expecting the show to go on for a couple more years. Instead, we had 9 seasons that demonstrated how poorly Ted and Robin worked as a couple, and we’re supposed to be happy? The only people I know who liked the finale are the people who stopped watching in season 3.

          • sharculese

            I liked the finale, but I also like the ends of Seinfeld and Roseanne.

          • PurpleTally

            Monster.

          • the sky is falling

            You forgot Sopranos, another brilliant FU finale

          • Hornacek

            Everybody Loves Raymond may be my personal favorite series finale.

          • Alkanarra

            It’s a fine finale for season 3. And if they wanted it to be the finale for season 9, sure, OK, whatever; it could have been. Just don’t spend the entire season focusing on Robin’s love and marriage to another person while spelling out repeatedly how she and Ted aren’t meant for each other. How did no one think maybe that’s not the best direction to go in?

          • PurpleTally

            While simultaneously showing the audience the great life that Tracy and Ted have and showing how great she is.

          • Diego Armando

            I was originally against the ending, then I talked with my mom who liked it. She saw the death coming a mile away and made a really good argument for how the ending worked.

          • Roswulf

            The ending works…for Ted.

            But it is a complete trashing of the emotional arcs for Barney and Robin though. Which had been the emotional center of the show for like, five years (largely because the writers recognized that NPH and Smulders were MUUUUCH better at the acting than Ted Mosby). Seriously, the show goes J/K! on all of Barney’s character development and then “fixes” him magically by having a daughter. That’s just indescribably gross.

            What the ending does is reinforce the show as a wish fulfillment narrative for Ted, which was always the show’s worst, most self-indulgent mode.

          • Ted was always the worst part of the show. The show was at its best when it wrote around him and made the storylines about all the other characters. Ted was the Ross of HIMYM.

          • PurpleTally

            Just because they built in the death into the last couple of seasons doesn’t mean the reason they did it was correct or rewarding to the audience. They killed her off for ZERO other reason than to get Ted and Robin together, which they spent YEARS proving didn’t work.

          • Hornacek

            I never watched that show but it was hilarious to read the AVClub comments the day after the finale aired about how the finale was worse than Hitler.

          • the sky is falling

            I don’t know if you guys watched them, but I’m still broken up over Videogum closing its doors

      • Diego Armando

        We had a small role in that, but Kinja and the horrible redesign sucked most of the life out. Let’s put sales ads between everyother article instead of having an easy to peruse review section.

        • the sky is falling

          I’m old enough to remember people being pissed about the switch to Disqus. ahh, we were so young and naive!

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            In the old days you didn’t even have to register to comment. I posted as Bullshit Dude a couple of times back then. It was neat to have people call you Bullshit Dude.

          • I was there in those days. I got to witness the greatest usage of unregistered commenting ever: the Law and Order thread.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            They did the same thing with Glengarry Glen Ross.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Mailbag question: Can you give us the oral history of that thread? I’d like to hear more. (or is it mostly cussing? I wouldn’t want to make you do this to you loyal listeners.

          • Oh shit. That’s a great idea, but not for the podcast. Though I’ve got another oral history post idea in mind instead.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Until I know any better, I will assume that you and Andy first encountered each other during those wild days, trolling that thread and other innocent, but ill-prepared corners of the internet.

            (AV Club days is when you began to grow more responsible and settled down, in my version of your origin story)

      • the sky is falling

        Yeah, they used to have close to 1000 comments per episode

      • Streets_Ahead

        The whole site it a piece of garbage now. I used to check it almost daily now I hardly ever visit.

  • Mike Hirsch

    This season is all about removing the interesting people in favor of their dull-witted alternative, or Chrissy, who is quick to remind us she is bursting at the seams with intelligence and knows this game better than you.
    Yeah, I’m beginning to feel the fatigue. I’m a bit of Devon on nothing but sugar right now.

    • Diego Armando

      Can you do his crazy eyes?

  • If anybody would like a Survivor related laugh, I’ve uploaded my 9th Funny Survivor Voiceovers Parody video. Here it is, check it out! Hope you like it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLToK1m0kj8

  • Rusty

    Hilarious how Joe has to give a disclaimer to play the idol for himself. Either he’s reading peoples faces or wiping the slate clean. It’s ok buddy. You can just not say anything. Everyone knows what’s up.

  • Kingoftonga

    So do we think Ben and Lauren made the right decision? If they had stayed with the Healers, it’s hard to see a situation where they didn’t end up on the bottom, even though Joe would probably have to be cut loose at some point.

    Also, while I’ve mostly agreed with the prevailing opinion that this season lacks compelling, vivid characters, but Cole chewing on raw cinnamon sticks and then having to apologize for it is some classic Survivor comic relief.

    • Ben quite possibly…he’s Chrissy’s number one, allegedly (where does that leave Ryan, I wonder?), and also clearly can’t coexist with Cole for much longer. I was kind of worried he was going to get voted out tonight over that tbh.

      Lauren…also possibly, but it’s less clear cut as it doesn’t really seem like she has any firm allies right now except for possibly Ben.

      • the sky is falling

        Ben Chrissy and Mike is my dream final 3

        • Prom King

          YES. I would love that.

        • Hornacek

          Ben, Lauren and Dr. Mike. Just for the LOLs.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Joe would definitely have to have been cut before Ben and Lauren. Which leaves them against Cole-Jessica-Desi, and Mike as the big swing vote. If Mike is actually with them then maybe they have a path forward. I’m not sure what Lauren’s path forward is with her current alliance, but Ben for sure has a path to a win

      • Mike Hirsch

        If Lauren and Ben are able to somehow both swap over to the remaining 4 Healers and vote with them to take out someone (Devon, Ashley or JP, because Ryan and Chrissy clearly aren’t going anywhere yet), they could play a combined free agency for a few votes at least, but obviously that’s more than a little risky. I just want that to happen.

        • Especially with two of them.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I bet if they are successful Mike starts joining them

          • Mike Hirsch

            Optimal outcome.

        • corndogshuffle

          Pendulum strategy!!!

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I’ve always wondered if two or three was the optimal number for the pendulum strategy. Or does it just depend on the context?

          • Hornacek

            Drink milk!

    • corndogshuffle

      If the Healers were serious about staying five strong then I can’t think of a better move than picking one off and dealing with the fall out later… and I wouldn’t want to take that risk. I don’t know what number Ben or Lauren are in the alliance they chose to vote with, but I know it’s a lot better than guaranteed 6th and 7th on the ladder.

      • purplerockandy

        But I don’t think that works when Cole and Joe are still in the game. They can’t swing back to Cole/Joe/Mike/Desi. Ben hates Cole and they don’t even know Joe or Desi.

        There’s no going back.

    • Diego Armando

      I think their odds are better here. I think even if the 5 held strong, they would likely be seen as Jessica and/or Mike’s lackeys.

    • Roswulf

      I think this was definitely the right move for Ben, and he’s not going to be swayed by Lauren.

      And for Lauren, forcing a tie is not a good idea (but this still leaves her at 7).

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    What is that Cole does for a living, again? Isn’t it something about taking kids out into the woods and telling them that there’s no such thing as Santa Claus?

    • Diego Armando

      Now kids if you miss this grip, you will fall to the earth, break 15 bones and possibly die. LET’S CLIMB!

    • corndogshuffle

      He eats a shit ton of calories and takes kids on wilderness tours or something.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        “Okay kids, remember: We’re all out here to have fun. Except for Joey. He’s out here because his parents are getting divorced.”

        • i and 1

          “Next: a turbo-carb-bath, before the lake swim challenge! Can you beat Joey!?!

      • Something Quirky

        I was hoping we’d get some kind of explanation for his almost 4 times the recommended amount of calories per day.

    • Kingoftonga

      He made a passing reference to rock climbing tonight. I think Cole believes he’s getting an Ozzy edit and is peppering his confessionals with survival and wilderness stories accordingly.

  • By The Numbers

    Ben and Dr Mike better make FTC or this season’s gonna suck

    • Hornacek

      With the twist we’re supposed to have at the end of this season, I’m hoping that Dr. Mike is in the final four and the other three expect to just vote him out because they fear he’ll be a jury threat, but he’s able to make fire and makes it to the final three.

  • Diego Armando

    Cole sucks at Survivor and possibly life.

    • Yo Ho

      Cole’s in the bubble, he’s doesn’t have to be good at life.

      • sharculese

        I said a couple weeks ago he’s Dr. Drew from 30 Rock. Nothing has dissuaded me of that.

    • the sky is falling

      Cole is good looking so he is fine in life, (Jon Hamm, 30 Rock character) but definitely sucks at survivor.

    • NearlyNina

      His response to Ben’s frustration over the food hoarding was “I just don’t think about things like that”. Yeah, exactly… That’s called privilege and that’s why he’s an asshole.

      • indescribable hat

        “I just don’t think about the existence of other people. What do you expect me to do, change?”

    • Hornacek

      Cole is a wilderness therapy guide, not a lunch lady.

  • Diego Armando

    I was hoping it wouldn’t be Jessica, but am not shocked. I thought they might target Desi to flush an Idol and since Desi had Immunity…

  • Rusty

    Chrissy reads people really freaking well and those on her side this episode trusted her information, or at least they believed she knew stuff that they didn’t. She’s the one who thought Joe might have an idol because he had one before and figured that Cole should be next to go but JUST IN CASE he has an idol or Joe plays his (not even known to exist) idol for Cole, let’s have a Plan C called Jessica because it’s highly unlikely that Jessica has an idol. I mean that whole plan was all Chrissy right there. When Joe revealed his idol at TC, everyone in her little beach circle knew exactly what to do. She covered all the bases and everyone did what she said. She has to have a pretty good social game for that to happen. She could be one of those players that’s kept in the game until the end despite constant objection and votes because the other survivors get dependent on her insights and mistakenly trust her promises.

    • Alkanarra

      I agree it was a good episode for her, but my only concern is that if the braintrust of Cole and Joe realize that you’re a threat and running the show, so does your own alliance. I’m glad that she’s getting respect for being a player, but if she’s that obvious about it then it won’t surprise me at all that her own people will make her a prime target once they start picking themselves apart.

      • Mike Hirsch

        I feel like the show is setting up Chrissy’s confidence drifting over into cockiness and her overplaying her hand and getting burned. Whether that happens at final tribal or a few votes prior, I’m not sure, but it sure seems like they are giving her the “hoist by one’s own petard” build up, and her own carefully cultivated alliance will eventually eat her.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          I agree with this sentiment, but then my brain says “who left is getting a winner edit, though, besides Chrissy?”
          I sort of hope that she is getting both a hubris edit AND a winner edit 😀

          • Alkanarra

            I’m with Mike 100%, but I also thought Jessica would be a huge part of the postmerge right up to FTC, so I guess the fuck do I know?

          • the sky is falling

            Mike would be a great winner, but Tony is the only winner I picked who won, so not feeling good about mikes chances…… This time….

          • Alkanarra

            Oh… I actually meant I was 100% with Mike Hirsch, though I guess I should’ve seen that one coming. I don’t think Dr. Mike has a prayer, which means that he’s probably guaranteed to win this thing now.

          • the sky is falling

            But you would be cool with a Mike win, yeah? I find him and Ben the most likeable left

          • Alkanarra

            Yeah, sure. I like interesting winners and Dr. Mike is definitely interesting in a “why do I find this obviously boring guy so interesting?” sort of way.

          • the sky is falling

            Haha, well put

          • Mike Hirsch

            Maybe Ben or Mike? I dunno, grasping at straws here.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Ben. Also… sigh… Ryan

          • the sky is falling

            Mike is getting, mid merge I guess? I want to believe, also, fully agree on Ben

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            B..

          • Saturday Night Palsy
          • Diego Armando

            Ben and Ryan. Also possibly Mike and Joe.

          • I still think Ashley is in with a shot. In a very Michele type way.

          • Diego Armando

            Yeah, I can see that.

          • After Adam and Sarah, is the winner edit really still a thing?

          • Prom King

            Sarah had a low-key winner’s edit. Just not one that many enjoyed.

          • Yeah, I think the show did a good job of showing why Sarah won. She played a great game, but it’s just not fun to watch Sarah.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Devon! Devon, Chrissy, Ryan, Ben and Mike is who I’m keeping an eye on, round about in this order.

        • the sky is falling

          She is kinda getting some hantzian confessionals, confidence wise?

        • I do feel like we were shown that moment at the merge feast between her and Ben for a reason.

        • Something Quirky

          The things she said about Roark showed that she’s already cocky, so it wouldn’t take too much.

      • Rusty

        She’s being a little obvious for sure. I hope she reels that in. But she was the only person to suggest that Joe might have an idol, which she had no way of knowing for sure, it was just a hunch. After seeing that Joe did have an idol as she suspected, the people in her alliance must be seriously counting on her to tell them what to do next because she’s proven that she can see into souls like a nefarious witch.

        • Well, she was the only person to suggest so on camera. You’ve got to assume Devon and Ashley raised some suspicions though.

    • Crappy

      Yeap, I know a lot of people hate here and she is a bit smug and arrogant about her own prowess but she is the best strategic player this season. If she was playing 5-10 years and had gotten similar luck to start with, I have no doubt, she would have romped to a dominating win. But as it is, in meta era of survivor, she is probably outed as too much of a threat too soon, so would be interesting to track her finish here.

    • I agree about Chrissy’s read on the game, but I’m becoming less and less convinced that she’s winning this. She’s doing everything right, but she’s also got lucky with quite a lot – the idol falling into her lap, the tribe swap putting her with Ryan, the fact that Ryan was perfectly willing to give up an alliance he’d built in favour of one she’d constructed, Joe’s complete inability to form any bonds with Devon and Ashley, Cole alienating Ben. This episode was a whole lot of people coalescing into the completely obvious alliance, which isn’t usually what happens on a three-tribe season.

      What’s Chrissy going to do when something doesn’t go her way, given that the other side has already identified her as the biggest threat? She’s got the necessary ruthless streak, but I’m not convinced she has the soft skills to turn a bad situation in her favour. Every vote she’s been on top of so far has been one that she didn’t really have to try very hard to get people to go along with.

      • prettyboyprobst

        Good post, just a minor correction: Joe (and Desi) did form some bonds with Ashley and Devon on the blue tribe. Devon spoke about this in an extra video and mentioned that they bacame pretty tight and how he can see them moving forward together.

        • Hornacek

          Is this the same tribe where Ashley and Devon were willing to go to rocks instead of flipping to Joe’s side?

          • prettyboyprobst

            I’m pretty sure they would have been willing to flip to Joe’s side, just not at the expense of each other (at least that’s what they assured each other of, as they should have). That doesn’t mean there was no path for all of them to move forward together, especially as it never came to another vote.
            If a tribe goes to tribal, they have to vote someone out, you know?

          • Hornacek

            We didn’t see any scenes of either Devon or Ashley even considering flipping on the other and going with Joe and Desi. Every strategy scene of the two of them was them saying that they were not turning on the other, and that they would be willing to go to rocks.

            The only strategy scene we saw of Desi was of her being approached by Ashley and saying (to her and in a confessional) that she would be willing to turn on Joe and vote with them.

            Saying that Ashely and Devon would have been willing to flip to Joe and Desi, based on what we saw, is just fan fiction.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Read my comments again. Or don’t. Whatever.

            It’s not fan fiction if it comes directly from the mouth of a player involved.

          • Hornacek

            The only thing we got from the mouths of the players involved was that Devon and Ashley were willing to stick together and go to rocks, and Ali was willing to turn on Joe.

            We go by what we see on the show – if the show doesn’t include it in what’s aired, then it’s not part of the narrative. And what the show showed us is that Devon and Ashley were against Joe and making progress getting Ali to flip over to them. Nothing we saw on the show indicated that one of those two would have flipped on the other and gone with Joe and Ali.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Misunderstandings just bug me, so let me start again from the top, even though nobody else cares anymore (and never did in the first place): The original post, which you can see by clicking on “view in discussion”, spoke of “Joe’s complete inability to form any bonds with Devon and Ashley”. That’s the part I felt needed correction, because even if I don’t like Joe or his game, CBS put out evidence to the contrary out there, when they released Devon’s bonus video from I guess now 4 episodes ago, but it was not included in Taako’s round-up post here. There he talked about how the new blue tribe became, after a rocky start, a pretty tight unit. One that genuinely likes each other and that Devon could see working together as a group going forward, so it looks like Joe actually did really good with the whole bonding thing.

            That you choose to not take into account all of the extra content is fine and dandy (however, I would advise you to read the comments you’re responding to, at the very least), but I don’t know what makes you think that everyone else here has to ignore all background information, too. As I mentioned above, there’s a whole post about bonus content here every week (not even talking about twitter and exit press), so I really don’t know what “We” you think you’re able to speak for when you say “We go by the show only”.

            Edgic traditionally goes by what is seen on the show only, and in terms of edit reading, I agree that it is much more interesting that they decided to have Ashley and Devon tell us, that they are willing to go to rocks for each other (BIG MOVEZ), than whatever their actual sentiments were at the time (an element that was also highlighted on the D&C podcast listener feedback and edit zone, one or two eps. ago), even though they never had to follow through with it.

            And again, I wasn’t even talking about what would have happened had they gone to tribal again before the merge. It’s true, they sure made it seem like those two wouldn’t flip on each other at nuLevu.

            Finally: nbd, but Desi, not Ali.

          • Hornacek

            I go by what the that show shows us every week. Exit interviews are taken with a grain of salt because these are done months later after they’ve seen the show. And secret scene are like deleted scenes on a DVD – they were not included in the movie/show for a reason – they don’t add anything important, not necessary, etc.

            You can’t watch a movie and then talk about something that happened in a deleted scene as if it’s part of the movie proper. Same deal

            Personally, I don’t watch the secret scenes. They don’t interest me – I watch the show. If people want to watch the secret scenes, go for it. But they’re not part of the show.

            Did Devon talk in a secret scene about how his swap tribe of 4 people got really close? Maybe. But that’s not what the show showed us – it showed us Devon and Ashley talking more than once that if they went to tribal again, they would be willing to go to rocks to vote out Joe or Desi. And this was 1-2 episodes after Alan got voted out. I go by what’s in the actual show, and that was that Devon was not willing to work with Joe.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Fair enough. I share your sentiments about the exit interviews, but I still like to listen to a couple of them, and I get to why.

            My counterpoint to the deleted scenes of a movie analogy: It’s not a movie, but Reality TV. Sure, you can choose to watch it like a movie and just enjoy the story that was crafted by production and editors, and blend out all the additional nuggets of information that range from hearsay to established facts. And I get the different benefits of that, not to mention that for many longtime fans this must be how they grew accustomed to the show, as most of that extra information wasn’t nearly as readily available when earlier seasons aired, as it is today.

            But still, the show is not just an artificially crafted story, but also our window into actual events that transpired and were filmed on the island. Therefore, it’s only natural for viewers, who don’t just tune in once a week and then forget about it as soon as Jeffy sends the contestants back to camp until it’s wednesday again, to want to know more about what just unfolded on their screens. Especially when, as is annoyingly often the case, it is abundantly clear that we’re missing crucial parts of the story, because actions and underlying motives of the characters don’t fit together or simply don’t appear to make any sense at all.

            It’s why people watch BB Live Feeds (or it’s part of it. It must be. I don’t watch BB and certainly wouldn’t advise anyone who does to up that commitment by also watching live feeds). The difference is, of course, that Survivor is already taped by the time they make a tv show out of it, while BB is “live”, so people who like to play the predictions game (which again, I think is just the most natural way of watching a multi-week game show that crowns the winner of a huge prize in the end) “only” have actual events and real behaviour to go by, whereas Survivor fans (and Edgic) rely for the most part on that crafted for consumption story with its story arcs, which inherently contains meaningful clues for how it further develops (unlike BB).
            In contrast, the RL occurences that aren’t shown on TV are either irrelevant fodder, or (in story-writing terms, I think) red herrings (here I mean potentially interesting stuff that doesn’t lead anywhere – there’s still real misdirection in the final edit of the show), or premature reveals (meaning tells and hints that give away too much information for the time being), when it comes to reasons for why they’re omitted from the streamlined version of the story, that is shown on tv (footage of that third category is, of course, unlikely to be found in abundance in the cbs-approved extra content, but there are little bits and pieces that go through the cracks when they edit these, which allows consumers of that extra content to get a fuller picture. But I’m also interested in the events and sentiments that didn’t lead anywhere, but could have become important as they represent an alternative path that wasn’t taken, like that relationship of the last 4 nuLevus, for example).

            Again, it’s cool to watch it either way, but to me personally, it would feel unsatisfying and frankly, intellectually dishonest, to not take as much available information as possible into account, when pondering for weeks on end what the preferable courses of action and the best strategies would be for the people involved, who we know nearly nothing about, if we just go by what we are fed by the show.

            It’s one thing if that interest in the show doesn’t exceed the 60 minutes it’s on tv every week, or even if there isn’t much more time than that available to exchange quick opinions on what was just seen on screen. And we’re living in the information age, so there will always be more (mostly redundant, thankfully) information on a given topic available than can be consumed. That said, it’s always a little weird to me to see people spend the time to go deep into the analysis of the show and be opinionated and rush to judgements even days after the airing, but not take a little time to inform their opinions on their own*.

            *Disclaimer: Even with something as trivial as Survivor I feel that way, but there are of course far more egregious examples with real-life-consequences to behaviour like that, and in now way do I want to equate people who are fast and loose with ther R-TV-takes to those who talk out of their asses when it comes to policies, politics and the like.

          • Hornacek

            ” to me personally, it would feel unsatisfying and frankly, intellectually dishonest, to not take as much available information as possible into account”

            By this logic, there is no possible way any viewer could get the entire story without watching the entire live feed showing 24 hours/day for each episode’s ~3 days. The show *is* the show. Anything beyond that is just “special features” and nor part of the show.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Uh-uh. By “as much as possible”, obviously I mean “as much as is deemed reasonable”, because none of us get paid to watch or talk Survivor.
            Misunderstanding this part (and disregarding everything else) also seems intellectually dishonest to me, as what I meant shouldn’t have been hard to guess, and you wouldn’t have had to, if you had just read on: “(…) so there will always be more (mostly redundant, thankfully) information on a given topic available than can be consumed.”, or taken my stated opinion on BB live feeds into account.

            What I was talking about there is, that it can be tough to convince people, who choose to stay oblivious to established facts. There are no Live feeds, but there is material available to round out the picture and fill in the gaps. Nobody has to watch, read or listen to everything, but in the best case, all the insightful stuff finds its way into the discussions between interested parties (which brings us back to where this futile exchange started).

            I think most people who watch Survivor (and everyone here) are aware that it is a heavily edited TV show and that there will be, more often than not, a different side to the story. I can’t say for sure, but my impression is that most of the people, who take the time to write or read comments, are interested in what is left out and where the story shown on tv veered off from the reality on the island, even if they’re not willing to put a lot of effort into finding out on their own.

            That it is your stated position to disregard any information about a given Survivor season, other than what editors decide to put into that 13×42 minutes format, comes honestly as a surprise to me, as you certainly make no secret of your fondness for RHAP (that I share). Do you turn off the Tweets, baby, tweets – Survivor-tweets-segment? Why did you bother to listen to the Why ___ lost-pods, until Rob quit the job?

            And do you only half-read other people’s comments, but reply to them anyway, too?
            All of that is hard to imagine, so I can’t shake the feeling that you got carried away in taking that position after realizing that the snark directed at me in your initial reply was misplaced, if one extends the factual basis to sources beyond the show itself (as I was openly doing in my initial reply in this thread).

            Either way, looking back, this hasn’t felt like a genuine sharing of sentiments from the start, so I’m fine with leaving it right here (and who would want this to go into week 3).

          • Hornacek

            I like this site and its podcast, and RHAP and its various podcasts (except the Why Blank Lost, which I stopped listening to not after Rob was replaced by Jessica, but after it spoiled the following episode and then attacked me when I pointed out that I did not appreciate being spoiled). But these are all “extra features”. They are not “the show”. A person should be able to watch just the show and ignore everything else – secret scenes, online comments, tweets, podcasts, etc – and still get everything out of the show that the show-runners intend me as a viewer to get out of it.

            Any of that extra stuff – that’s just not part of the show. It’s extra stuff that adds to the show, but it’s not part of the actual show. And that’s why I think that if something isn’t in the show, it doesn’t count. Just my opinion.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Again, all of that is fair enough and I even agree that the show should be able to stand alone in any case, even though I think what is not shown also matters to the discussion on the show, be it purely speculative or established by bonus content and the like.

            Sorry for coming at you so strong. Like I said, it irks me when there is misunderstanding and it felt like we were never quite talking abut the exact same thing. But I guess I underestimate the language barrier and how it can be hard to know what I’m getting at sometimes.

            And now that you mentioned it again, I remember that the promo spoilers and their fall out were the reasons you quit “Why blank lost”. Come to think of it, it was actually me who the (Co-)host change was the deal breaker for.

    • Hornacek

      I put Chrissy’s ability to read people down to her actuary job. I have no idea what an actuary is, but I assume it’s like an insurance investigator, like Double Indemnity.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Yay PRP KIA Live people! That’s one good looking group!!

    • indescribable hat

      I have an irrational expectation that I should recognize them, so that picture is confusing me.

      • Over the course of about ten minutes, PRP staff (more specifically, me and Emma) identified all of them. Some are tougher than others, but I’ll leave it to them if they want to out themselves.

        • the sky is falling

          John, do you have enough to do a JOE hype post when he returns? Or still too early to declare him officially Tony 2.0?

          • Way too early. I just don’t feel it with Joe yet.

          • the sky is falling

            I’m keeping hope alive, but you are probably right. I can’t think of anyone who had more fun out there than Tony

          • That was Tony’s draw. His enthusiasm was infectious.

          • the sky is falling

            I think so few people get that it was Tony’s maIn draw

          • sharculese

            Jay?

          • the sky is falling

            Ooh, good call, Eric maybe in there too

        • indescribable hat

          For some reason I find this sweet.

        • Purplerockmatt

          how dare you forget my vital contributions

          • I’m surprised you didn’t guess that one of them was Andy.

      • NearlyNina

        I had the exact same reaction, before I realized wait I don’t know what any of these people look like.

        Or well, most anyway!

        • Alkanarra

          If it helps, Denzel is the blurry one.

        • indescribable hat

          Except @disqus_3Sm0bOf1sj:disqus, the guy in all those pictures he posts with former contestants.

          • the sky is falling

            Also, blurry Denzel has posted pics of himself on this site…
            Edit: just realized I said exact same thing you did

    • sharculese

      I don’t understand. Why is everyone wearing a heavy coat so early in autumn?

      • Is that what that’s called? A coat? It’s like a tank top, but with so much sleeves. I’ve never seen such a garment in Florida.

  • NearlyNina

    So….
    Am I the only one that didn’t like Jessica?
    I thought her whole falling for Cole even though she’s a virgin thing was kinda sweet initially, but that got old fast. Otherwise she just seems really entitled and kind of pissy. Her behavior towards Dr. Mike has been pretty poor. She doesn’t talk to people on her tribe unless she needs them. She just hides behind being a cute popular blond, but she gets really unlikable if things get even remotely hard or are not going her way.

    Am I really the only one that isn’t #TeamJessica?

    • sharculese

      I neither like nor dislike Jessica. She was contestant on Survivor: Beige Island.

      • I would’ve gone with Neutral Island.

        • Sylvisual

          You misspelled “Eh-land”

          • the sky is falling

            Meh-land

    • wonderand

      I was much more invested in The Potential Of Jessica than the actual Jessica we got to date. She was fine. I would’ve enjoyed seeing her either a) in increasily complex social webs, potentially unable to navigate and wrenching some plans; or b) burning everything down for kicks.

      • NearlyNina

        I didn’t mind her in a strategic sense. She had some potential that wasn’t fully realized and torpedoed her own game by getting way too close to Cole and failing to nurture her relationship with others.

        I just found her really annoying on an interpersonal level. She just seemed really stuck-up and focused on this whole idea of herself as a perfect popular blonde girl that everyone wants to bend over backward for (“who doesn’t want to see a blonde cry, right?”) and when things didn’t go her way or people put their own game above hers she tended to get a bit of a self-righteous vibe and get huffy. I don’t know, I have a very hard time enjoying watching people who are self-righteous or hypocrites on television regardless of the genre, and she rubbed me the wrong way from the beginning.

        • I honestly never got that read – she seemed more sheltered to me. I also never had many interactions with perfect popular blonde girls of that archetype though, so maybe there are nuances to that that you’re more conscious of than I am.

        • prettyboyprobst

          I thought I would feel similiar about her from her pregame-stuff, but she won me over the course of her time on the seson, I think mostly by coming off as authentic and not playing too much of a character for the cameras.

    • Prom King

      You are not the only one. All of that virgin and Cole talk got old fast. Get a grip! Her whole story was about liking or not liking Cole.

      I don’t mind entitled or pissy too much – my favorite Chrissy is entitled and pissy af. But when entitled is coupled with a mono-focus on some goofy dude… ugh, boring.

    • I didn’t dislike her, or get the same perception of her that you did. I’m not sure of anything she did that would suggest she was unlikeable. But I was also frustrated that her hormones seemed to be getting in the way of her game to the extent that they did, and I wish she’d got her head in the game a bit more.

    • i and 1

      There was a brief, ridiculous period early on, where I wondered if the virginity might be relinquished; but a couple of eye-blinks later I settled back into reality and was pretty much on-point about how boring she would be for the duration.

      Funny we got that tease tonight though, with her accounting of her carnal repartee with the handsome good-smelling waiter—actually a pretty good note to sound on her way out, story-telling-wise..

  • Wow, it’s weird how they started a season of Survivor in November, but I’m glad it’s finally back.

    NB: The last person I can recall whose math skills were complimented by Probst were…OWM. Right?

    • wonderand

      I don’t remember, but I’m upvoting just for the nota bene. Take that, ill-used PSs!

      • You don’t want to know for how long I thought that stood for “Note Book.” As in “here is something I’d like to particularly point out as if it was in a NoteBook.”

        • wonderand

          I laughed. Out loud. And I’m choosing to believe the answer is “until 9 minutes ago.”

          • More than 9 minutes, but less than half a decade, after an equivalent amount of time working in BigLaw firms.

          • sharculese

            Most lawyers are too busy misusing cf.

          • Which, of course, means “cockface.”

          • wonderand

            For some reason, we had it as a vocabulary word (term?) in 8th grade? I have never used it in a self-serious way since; I am not a lawyer.

          • You are blessed.

        • NearlyNina

          I actually just realized I didn’t know what it meant. I’ve seen it used and understood it in context as something along the lines of P.S. but never actually thought about what it stood for before.

          • PRP Comment Threads: Teachable Moments Everywhere You Look

          • The More You Know Dot GIF.

    • That can’t be right. Did Probst ever talk to OWM when she was on the show?

      • Just the one time. [counts to 1] [gets complimented by Probst]

      • sharculese

        He may have asked her how her hamburger tasted?

        • Phrasing?

          • sharculese

            This is it. The single grossest use of ‘phrasing’ that has been done or can be done.

          • purplerockandy

            He is very proud.

      • Streets_Ahead

        He did but he rarely had the opportunity since she never went to TC until so late.

        • The thing you’re wrong about here is that there was any sort of investment in Michele whatsoever. She was a non-entity; there was no reason to count her out or root for her.

          • prettyboyprobst

            You’re kidding, right? Or is this a case of selective memory bias?

          • No, I’m meaning that the only investment I had in counting Michele out was that people were saying she was going to win. I wouldn’t have remembered she was on the season if it weren’t for that.

          • prettyboyprobst

            That is/was of course an understandable position to hold on Michele, but the way the season and discussion about it unfolded here (and elsewhere), she was always front and center (you guys even made a point of not talking about her on the podcast), which is why this reads as some sort of strange, retroactive wishful thinking, or just really bad memory.
            It’s true that she doesn’t have the type of personality that would justify such widespread, strong opinions on her one way or the other (and initially those may have been directed more at the edgic crowd than her), but that doesn’t change the fact that quickly there were tons of negative knee-jerk reactions to her personally, everytime she appeared on screen or got to talk.
            (Which, in my eyes, was not a good look for a crowd that usually strives to voice how people and events on the show relate to social progressivism and generally supports decent human beings)

          • I guess I’m not communicating my point clearly. What I’m trying to say is that were it not for all the “Michele is gonna win!” discussion that caused her to become front and center, I would not have formed an opinion on Michele.

            And I believe we said repeatedly during that season that Michele was simply fine, and that our opposition to her was based on the edgic crowd championing her as their queen and began playing up talk of her “great social game” despite evidence to the contrary. She was not a great Survivor player, nor was she a particularly compelling character on the show.

            We do generally support decent human beings. But when those same decent human beings are boring TV, we aren’t interested in them. See JP this season.

          • prettyboyprobst

            No, you did communicate that point well enough, but apparently I struggled to communicate what my response is to this viewpoint, and how it relates to the way I perceived the discussion on the Michele-topic had actually unfolded.
            Anyway, I didn’t mean to re-open the Michele-files again, I guess I was just taken aback by the initial comment and tried (unsuccesfully) to clear up, why that was the case.

            I do wanna add that I think it’s amazing that you almost always take the time reply to comments, even from jerks like me, and do so in such a polite manner. Now I feel bad that I effectively exploited that quality of yours and pressed you to explain yourself in many words on such a dead-horse topic.

            It almost makes me want to trade you some of my better players, but then I would feel even worse. (Not sure who came out ahead of your latest trade, even if conventional wisdom seems to say Bledsoe should be better, but I do know that, as a Mavs fan, I’m a bit jealous that DSJ became available and still isn’t on my roster. I wasn’t going to pay big bucks for him in the draft (because: see team name), but despite being a rookie PG under RC, he seems to get every opportunity and now I’m only worried about potential injuries after his wild dunk attempts and the Rookie Wall)

          • Of course I responded. I like people respectfully challenging what I say, even if I still disagree.

            My fantasy basketball team is garbage, though. And I can’t even blame it on my wife drafting my team, because she got me most of the players I asked for.

          • prettyboyprobst

            See, it only took (what could be perceived as, but wasn’t intended to be) some gentle mocking from me and you pronouncing your team garbage, to achieve a crazy high single-night score from Embiid and your whole team immediately after.

            FWIW, if you click on League>Record Book>H2H and scroll all the way down, you will see this:
            Strongest Schedule
            Trust the Popovich
            .750
            Weakest Schedule
            Rick’s Doghouse
            .313

            I have no idea what kind of data they use to determine this (Players, teams, fantasy teams, projections or results-based), but don’t give up hope yet. And this being my first (non-Survivor) fantasy draft, I definitely wasn’t ready for this and feel lucky, that it didn’t turn out even worse for me. Right now I’m trying hard to get a few wins under the belt, because I’m afraid it’s only a matter of time for the shoes to drop and then I might be able to challenge you for that longest losing streak-record.

            Now go and snap your unlucky streak by starting tonight’s active players and take it to that evil canadian abuser of strawmen and -women alike!
            *checks schedule, changes tune: It’s saturday already. Another week starts soon, and with that, another chance for glory! But don’t make it easy for Andy and start your active players 😉

    • the sky is falling

      There can’t be an obvious winner on a season with no winner

      • Aren’t we all truly the winners?

        • sharculese

          Not after what John said.

          • No, it was good. It reminded me of a DISGUSTING “Family Guy” line (from when I used to watch it) I will never, ever forget, even when I’m senile.

          • Well you can’t just leave that one hanging there. Give us the line.

          • sharculese

            Now THAT’S phrasing.

          • I said what I said.

          • 0:34 and also the title of the clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX0dMdzS6tk

        • the sky is falling

          Not from Kaoh wrong

  • the sky is falling

    Wel, well, well…. A Phillip Shephard would be pretty enjoyable this season. You guys sure must feel dumb hating him now, haha

    • No, I still hate him. In fact everytime I think about Phillip I wind up liking Ryan a bit more.

      • the sky is falling

        Wow, that’s low

      • StormofCuteness

        Co-sign!

    • Kent McK

      I just want to be entertained by someone. I’d take Phillip.

    • Head Architect Sylvia

      I can’t really get on board with Phillip but I think this season would be better with a bit of Debbie.

    • Hornacek

      (stands up and points off in the distance) To the Philip Shephard Fan Friction post!

  • TheForRealDeal

    I haven’t seen the episode yet. How many Billy Preston references were there during the challenge?

    • Mike Hirsch

      A couple Ratt references might have snuck in.

      • sharculese

      • the sky is falling

        It was a little weird when Probst said “slip slip, slip of the lip. I like the way you move your hips”

  • Hornacek

    Hey, does anyone left in the game know that Dr. Mike has an idol?

    • me

      • Hornacek

        (gasps) Are you Joe?

      • the sky is falling

        Me too

        • Let’s form an alliance!

          • Hornacek

            Now you’re Rudy from All Stars.

        • Hornacek

          Wow, so many of the regulars here are actually on this season!

          • Quality recruiting from the PRP, to get only the hottest and most strategic players.

          • Wait, but I’m not on-

            Oh.

          • They’re saving you for the next all-stars. You don’t even need an initial season.

          • This aligns perfectly with my perception of myself.

          • Hornacek

            Survivor: Accountants vs Analysts vs Auditors

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            This season’s title was confusing enough.

          • Hornacek

            Survivor: Bellhops vs Concierges vs Doormen

            (it’s not alliterative but at least you get 3 letters in a row)

          • Dream season.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    After this episode, I’m back on board the Chrissy train! My dream for her is that she will be the female Brian Heidek (without the criminal activity) and be an obvious villain who plays such a precise, calculated game that the jury has no choice but to give her the win in the end.

    • Streets_Ahead

      I hadn’t thought of this before now, but I would like that I think.

    • StormofCuteness

      There’s a reason Thailand is universally loathed.

      • Max_Jets

        TBF, there are multiple reasons and one of those reasons is that it’s reaaalllly boring.

        • StormofCuteness

          And that Brian Heidek sucked!

      • Hornacek

        (raises hand) Not “universally”.

        • StormofCuteness

          Bah!

          • Hornacek

            What can I say? I like the Iceman.

  • Mike Hirsch
    • Ms_Woozah

      Have you recently watched Stranger Things? Something tells me you’ve recently watched Stranger Things.

      • Mike Hirsch

        I’m not familiar with it.

  • the sky is falling

    IN the offseason, I need to write another Phillip defense post, I think I only didn’t convert anyone cause it was poorly written. plus it would be an awesome gimmick to be perpetual Phillip defender.

    • sharculese

      Any gimmick is an awesome gimmick if you lean into it enough.

      • Hornacek

        Like continuously praising bellhops?

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Naw. You’re good.

    • i and 1

      I think next season or the one after would be just right for a Philip return.

  • Kent McK

    I kind of feel like this season crossed the sucks line tonight. I just don’t find most of these people to be interesting characters. Chrissy, Ryan, Joe, and Dr. Mike are the only ones doing anything for me. I’ve had enough of Ben, yet I feel like we are in for so, so much more of Ben.

    • Roswulf

      I’m becoming afraid that you’re right. Their were a few that showed early promise for me, but the only one living up to it in Survivor-playing terms is Mike. Mike’s pretty great. Beyond that, I’m just enjoying Desi being a beautifully poised challenge monster and Cole being a sex idiot.

      I don’t think “suck” is guaranteed, but this episode closed off a lot of avenues for it being good. Although that may be because I don’t see Ben as a swing vote going forward- if that’s where we are heading, things could easily get good fast.

      • Oh, someone better name one of next season’s fantasy teams “Sex Idiot.”

      • Mike Hirsch

        Basically, I’m hoping for Mike to somehow take out all those people I don’t like. I am cautiously optimistic but, you know, also not.

    • I still like Ben, but it does feel a bit like extended time on a beach with Lauren has rubbed off on him a bit.

  • forever1267

    Stupid Cole! I thought Jessica would be the safer of you two. You’ve ruined Christmas!!!

  • forever1267

    Is this the first Double Blindside, as in neither name was brought up at Council, so neither Chrissy nor Jessica would have had an inkling that was coming?

    • I always wonder in these situations who the winning side thought was getting voted for. Obviously everyone assumed that either Joe or Cole was getting votes, but the Herslers/Husloes alliance must have been aware that ONE of them was going to get votes?

      • Maritimer

        They probably figured it was Devon or JP

  • Roswulf

    I have not read all the comments, but….uh…what exactly did Joe gain from his idol theatrics?

    If you are going to play the idol on yourself- which come on, he always was- keep it a secret and try to draw votes. Generally speaking, the point of revealing the idol is to send votes away from you so that you can either protect someone else or save it for later.

    Here his idol reveal just guaranteed that one of his allies would be chopped.

    • purplerockandy

      To show that he’s about that life.

    • Crappy

      Yes, he basically copied Tony’s move from the merge but did not have the balls to follow though on it.

      • indescribable hat

        Or didn’t understand how it was supposed to work…

      • Did he turn around to look at the other castaways this time? I feel like he didn’t besides to say that he was starting off fresh.

        • Something Quirky

          I so wanted Ashley to go “whose face did you read this time?”

    • Diego Armando

      Instead of Tony, he should have studied Mike on how to scare people with an Idol.

  • StormofCuteness

    *Sob* Not my Jessica! I don’t care if it would have been predictable; I wanted it to be Cole. And yes, I’m bitter that it was Chrissy who suggested it. I know it was a smart move, but I am a bitter bitch about it.

    The only good news is I still have Ben on my team, and I will be shocked if he doesn’t make it far. Also, I like how Lauren and Dr. Mike have really proved my knee-jerk pre-season reaction to them wrong.

  • By The Numbers

    The problem this season is that nothing is really happening. Usually even if no one is playing great, someone is playing poor. On the rewatch, that’ll probably make this season more enjoyable than cluster**** seasons; but right now it is just so meh.

    The only really dumb thing there is to talk about is Joe. What was even his plan? If he was going to show off his idol, he may as well have not played it and saved it for another 3 days.

    • Max_Jets

      Joe was so unbelievably fucking dumb all around tonight. When he was all upset that Cole wanted to bring in Ben – WHO THE FUCK DO YOU WANT TO BRING IN JOE? YOU ONLY HAVE FIVE PEOPLE

      • By The Numbers

        I really hope something interesting goes done next week though, with Probst teasing a new twist they’ve been wanting to do for years

        • There’s a new twist next week?

        • Maritimer

          Re-split into tribes! (that’s the one I’ve been lobbying for anyway)

          • And watch both teams desperately try to throw the challenge so they can vote out someone from the opposite alliance, now that the post-merge lines have been drawn?

          • Maritimer

            I mean, that would be the logical thing to do but they may not actually do it. I think its worth trying to see if its something that they would catch on to (also, watching both teams desparately try to lose would be fun once)

          • Trying to work out if I could come up with an unthrowable challenge now. Maybe it would have to be run blind in some way so you couldn’t see what the other team was doing? Or losing team goes to tribal council BUT best performer on the losing team wins individual immunity, so there’s incentive to be competitive.

          • Maritimer

            There’s something to that second idea, but I’m not sure what it would look like in practice

          • I’m imagining something where you’re looking at a cumulative score between a team (weight? number of items? time?), so everyone’s contribution counts, but you’re doing it blindfolded. You can’t compare your progress either against members of your own team or against the opposing team.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Combined family visit reward and immunity maybe? If it’s a group thing, the cost of throwing it would be extra high.

          • Oooh, that would work. My other thought was setting a target in terms of points/time, and EVERYONE who succeeded in making that target gets immunity. That disincentivises throwing the challenge in case you end up being one of the only people on your team not to be immune.

          • Yeah, we saw that happen in Fiji. It was not great.

          • Maritimer

            Yeah, I thought about Fiji, but I think this would be different because a) they’d actually be tribes not just a random group thrown together for a challenge and TC and b) the game is a lot more fluid these days

          • Diego Armando

            It worked so well in Fiji.

          • Hornacek

            “It worked so well in Fiji.”

            Said no one ever.

          • Hornacek

            Isn’t this what screwed over Fiji’s Michelle Yi?

        • Mike Hirsch

          I wonder if it’s related to Cole’s nail-advantage that he missed.

      • But this is exactly the sort of aggressively bad Survivor play I’d hoped we’d see after Tony’s victory. Joe being bad at Survivor is fun. It’s just more fun when there are people that are good at Survivor to exploit it.

        I guess in this case that would be Chrissy, since she directed the vote away from Joe and Cole.

        • i and 1

          Unless you picked Joe in the draft. I am simply left wondering where the show has gone off the rails.

        • Diego Armando

          Just keep doing stuff Joe. The more you do, the more you will create cool/dumb things to talk about.

        • Diego Armando

          It made sense to target Jessica too. Desi was Immune, Joe and Cole knew their names had been brought up and I don’t think Lauren and Ben would agree to targeting Dr. Mike.

        • Max_Jets

          Yeah, I think if I had more people to root for I would enjoy it more. Joe plummeted from someone who I thought could maybe be kinda good at Survivor in his own strange way to someone who is just bad at Survivor, which isn’t what I’m looking for right now. I actually think the entire cast would look better if you swapped out like 2 people for more interesting, likable players. I’ll blame JP’s presence for this.

      • Prom King

        Joe seems like he is really easy to fool. Just play up to his ego. People who have Joe as their probation officer, take note!

        • Hornacek

          But Joe is impossible to fool! He sees through any lie you tell him! Just ask him – he will tell you this.

    • Maritimer

      Right. If he hadn’t flashed it, they wouldn’t have voted for Jess and it may have actually helped them

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  • cazkaye

    So Ben is winning this season right?
    Is anyone else really in contention at the moment?

    • Head Architect Sylvia

      I don’t really follow edgic because EVIL but I’d like to think Chrissy, Mike (maybe?) and Devon all have a shot. Felt like Devon was sort of just there for a lot of pre-merge without being completely invisible and this first merge ep it felt like they were featuring him quite a lot in comparison despite the fact that he didn’t really contribute too much to the episode/vote out. Will be interesting if he continues to steadily get the same amount of focus in the coming episodes.

      • cazkaye

        I don’t follow edgic either because waste of time. Just in terms of story. I would say Chrissy but I I think she’s getting slightly too much of the too cocky ‘I have the best social game’ edit and her alliance will turn on her as a huge strategic threat. Devon’ s an interesting one, he did seem to be all over this episode for no apparent reason so maybe a sort of Michelle edit. But who knows I’m probably completely wrong and Desi is the winner.

        • Head Architect Sylvia

          Yeah, Chrissy is definitely a bit of a mixed bag in terms of positives and negatives, but I definitely wouldn’t count her out especially considering there aren’t really any super obvious picks at this stage (except for Ben, I guess). They could just be giving her a complex edit to give her more depth etc. Sarah got some negative stuff last season, right? I think? I don’t remember. Haha Desi winning with an invisible edit for 90% of the game would be quite amusing.

          • cazkaye

            Yeah Chrissy would be my number two pick as a winner but in my opinion no one has anywhere near the level of positive edit that Ben has. Although that could just mean he’s a super charismatic guy who has some good strategic chops.
            Haha not to mention a massive F you to all edgicers out there

      • Crappy

        I don’t hate edgic like many on PRP and do believe it can be interesting to analyze edits. Someone common theme can be found across survivor season with respect to how they edit certain archetypes and this helps in predicting winners/outcomes/story conclusions. But edgic drum beaters who swear by its ability to predict winners are definitely wrong. A lot of edgic people end up overanalysing edits – one example edgic had Fishbach winning instead of JT in Tocantins.

        This season, Chrissy defo has a shit at winning if she is going to be a dominant winner of the season. Very few women winner have gotten a coronation edit so a lot of people seem to be disregarding Chrissy for that reason. But she is definitely being edited as the person, production views as the best player out there and I won’t be surprised if she is a losing FTC instead of winner.
        Ben is an interesting one, another top contender but I get more of a fan fav edit vibe than winner one from him. Disregarding edit, it is hard to see anyone taking him to final 3.
        Outside of those 2 I think Lauren and Devon are the only people with a shot. Devon surprisingly got a lot of strategy focussed confessionals this episode whilst Ryan, the main narrator of the season, got fluffy superficial ones. Lauren has little air time but that tracks with her archtype. I have her in contention since unlike Sunday she is getting some air time and is being shown actively playing the game.
        Overall, I don’t believe the winner of this season is a slam dunk yet.

        • Prom King

          I love Chrissy but I’m seeing a villainous edit there rather than a winner’s edit. Like preparation for a blindside or exit at 4 or 5. Each episode features her saying something cocky and condescending. Which I personally love, but I think editors, not so much. We haven’t heard a lot about her personal story either, unlike Ben or Mike.

          • We know that she’s a mom who left her job to raise her kids and then come back. We know that she has been applying for 16 years. We know what her job is. That’s more personal content than Ashley or JP. Just throwing that out there.

          • Prom King

            Yes but I think Ashley and JP are far from being contenders. I’m comparing her to Ben and Mike, one who received a very big chunk of personal content and the other who has been receiving bits throughout the whole season. Chrissy’s personal content has been in the first episode (left job to raise kids and then came back) and the last episode (applying for 16 years). That’s so little, compared to the other two.

            EDIT: I would really like to be wrong on this and see a dominant personality like hers win.

          • Hey, Michele only really had a small chunk of personal content (being a bartender) in her edit.

          • Prom King

            Great point. I’m taking it! I would like her to win.

          • But in the same vein, we know that Ashley, as a lifeguard, works with firefighters. Just throwing that out there.

          • Prom King

            NO. I am not taking that point! Please no Michele 2.0, ever.

          • I am not a Ashley truther, but I am seeing some small evidence to support this.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Is that because you’re committed to the winner being a woman and the show is quickly running out of that player type?

            Maybe her edit isn’t that bad and Australian Survivor should have taught me by now that anyone can win, but I just don’t think she has it in her. She would have to sit next to two out of JP, Joe and Cole for that to have any chance of happening.

          • Man, you focused on that very quickly. Yes, I am devoted to the idea that Probst is not impressed by the winner and he is usually unimpressed by quieter women winners.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I did remember you pointing to Probst related clues as a reason to believe in a female winner, but that made a lot more sense to me back then, with the likes of Ali, Roark and Jessica still around. With Ashley it’s like being a woman and not being likely to leave an impression on Probst is the only thing she has going for her.
            I’m a bit hyperbolic here, probably because, to me, she’s the epitome of the blandness that people relate to this season as a whole. But I am secretly worried that she sticks around for a while, mainly because, together with Ryan and Ben, she’s the only one I remember from the Game Changers Finale preview, for whatever that is worth.

          • Oh shit, I forgot she was in the preview. The winners are usually not in the finale preview.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I’ve heard that before, but are there any numbers to back that up? Wasn’t Adam in his season’s promo?

          • Well, Sarah and Michele were not featured in their season’s previews. For MvGX, it was Zeke, Mari, and Taylor representing Millenials and David, Sunday, and Chris (?) representing Gen X.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Yep, I remember Chris being in it. Good stuff. NEED MOAR!

          • Cambodia didn’t have a preview. Worlds Apart had a very generic opening, but there was some focus on blue collar with Dan speaking.

          • Or she’d just have to play a good post-merge game, or be facing a bitter jury, or simply be better liked than her opponents…it’s a bit early to say someone has no chance of winning when they’ve only been to two tribal councils, have made no major missteps, have every opportunity for other players around them to mess up, and Michele won the game.

          • prettyboyprobst

            No, it’s actually not. But did you miss the follow-up comment where I admitted to hyperbole and how her particular brand of blandness may cloud my judgement?
            Anyway, I feel like I watched enough of her vapid interview videos to say with confidence that Michele had a lot more going for her than Ashley does (she’s even a more compelling character to me and it’s not close).

          • Hornacek

            I love that Production has made changes to the show since Kaoh Rong that they have subtlety said are because they don’t want a Michele-type player to win again.

          • AKA Probst

          • Prom King

            Anything to avert such a catasrophic tragedy occurring again!

          • StormofCuteness

            Ashley has mentioned her job when she became friendly with Devon since they were both ocean related.

          • prettyboyprobst

            They are beach people.

          • Crappy

            Bar Roark episode, I don’t think she was edited in an obvious negative way in any other episode. If I had to bet, I would say that she is getting losing FTC edit rather than a winner one but nothing is set in stone.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Much like the Ben-Cole scene lead to different interpretations this week, I wasn’t sure which side the audience was supposed to take in that episode, but on second thought I settled on Chrissy and don’t think there was much blemish on her edit (apart from her challenge performance) in there.

            I do think Chrissy has some negative elements to her edit, but not in a disqualifying way and I think for the most part Roark was “the bad” that got defeated in that episode, which gave Chrissy some leeway to act cocky herself.

          • prettyboyprobst

            From an edit standpoint, the thing that worries me most about Chrissy’s chances are the moments at challenges when Probst took time to point out how she’s hurting her team. That’s not good, right?
            The other stuff makes me pause, but I can rationalize it as editors making an effort to portray her more in a way they would a cocky, male winner, depsite being a Mum and all. Lack of personal info is definitely concerning though, they paint her as pretty game-botty so far.

            From a game standpoint this episode was a perfect example for how she appears to be not even trying to hide her smarts and strategic thinking in front of everyone, which is usually not a good approach to take and could spell trouble for her. It’s hard to imagine that the other players will let her get away with it and take her all the way to the end.

          • Prom King

            Yep I fear the same things.

        • Head Architect Sylvia

          I mean, I don’t hate it but I don’t like to consider it too much when I’m watching a season because I think I enjoy the season less If I analyse everything in order to try and predict the winner. I don’t mind casual chatter like this.

          Yeah, true, I think losing finalist is highly possible and you’re right, she’s being edited as the most cutthroat/strategic but as a result everyone could hate her by the end of the game and won’t vote for her. I could see it going the other way too though!

          Yeah, I don’t really see Ben as the winner either.

          Lauren. Interesting… I don’t see it because I feel like they keep painting her as the grumpy middle aged woman fed up with all these damn millennial and I don’t think that’d really work for a winner but we’ll see how it all pans out.

          • Alycia Swift

            The weird thing is she’s not middle-aged. She’s mid-thirties.

          • Head Architect Sylvia

            Ohh, oops. My bad. Did not realise she was that young. Unfortunately a lot of people probably automatically assume she’s quite a bit older because she is old in comparison to all the fit/beautiful millennials. Reality TV is the worst for anyone over 30!

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          I think you’re exactly right. That scene of the majority alliance sitting in a circle with Chrissy explaining long term strategy to them like a Kindergarten teacher was hard to interpret any other way than Chrissy being the strategic mastermind of the season.

          • Hornacek

            It’s like she was speaking Joe-language.

        • Max_Jets

          I followed some of the edgic thread on Sucks and it’s a complete mess with 8 of the 11 players in contention right now.

          • Crappy

            Don’t go on suck at all. I read stuff on reddit edgic once in 2 weeks or so during non spoiled seasons, just to gauge what folks are thinking. Shirin and Redmond did a good job of analyzing the edit during MvGx as well, when most of the others completely failed

      • I am not gung-ho either way on edgic, but I do notice how the edit is pulling us. For example, while everyone thought Jessica was a potential winner, all I could see was her linked to Cole. All of her content was Cole. Compare that to Natalie Anderson, who had a lot of her pre-merge story devoted to her connection with Jeremy, but still got personal content with Nadiya and she helped to get out Drewchebag.

        • Head Architect Sylvia

          You’re right that all her content was about Cole, and I can see why you’d write her off due to that, but I think a lot of people thought she was getting all the content with Cole because they thought she’d eventually blindside him and move on, which would obviously make her look pretty great considering Cole’s pretty horrible strategy/personality. And yeah, it would make sense to include their relationship so heavily to give it more meaning/highlight that she’s a huge player etc. Alas, that didn’t happen and you had the correct read.

          • Exactly, but every time she should have said “Screw him (figuratively)”, she was actually saying “Screw him (potentially literally)”.

          • Alycia Swift

            Has there ever been a showmance where the girl and guy went far but then the girl kicked the guy to the curb.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          This is such a good read and it went totally over my head. I was genuinely surprised that Jessica went before Cole.

        • Alycia Swift

          And Jessica’s link to Cole was pretty much Figgy’s link to Taylor – she wanted to date him. Natalie’s like to Jeremy was not that (and Jeremy was shown to have links with all the women). Plus Natalie got to troll John Rocker.

          • Sorta. In both of those cases, the men definitely had a lot more content besides their romantic interest. However, Figgy had stronger ties to people like Michelle (remember she was so happy that Michelle survived the first pre-swap TC).

      • Hornacek

        Well, Devon did get the helicopter shot before the merge of him laying on the beach like Jesus.

        • i and 1

          L O S T

        • Head Architect Sylvia

          Yeah, that was a bit odd. I figured someone needed an excuse to test our their new drone or something. AND I mean he sort of walks on water already cause he’s a surfer, right? Right? The jesus parallels are undeniable!

    • Maritimer

      See, I thought Ben looked bad when he didn’t accept Cole’s apology and I took that as a knock on his winner’s edit so I don’t think he’s far and away getting a obvious winners edit

      • cazkaye

        That’s true. He did handle that super poorly.

        • Not that poorly – he mostly said the right stuff to Cole’s face. It’s not that bad to not want to accept an apology, as long as you’re willing to pretend you do.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        That was such a weird, awkward scene. I thought they both came away looking a bit worse, but I agree that Ben came off as petty for not being able to forgive Cole (whose apology seemed fairly genuine).

        • Maritimer

          It certainly wasn’t a good look on Cole either. It was kind of weird in the sense that I couldn’t actually tell whether we were supposed to think Ben was in the right and Cole was an idiot or if Ben looked bad for not accepting the genuine apology. I took it the second way but I’m not sure if that was just me or whether that’s also what the show was trying to portray

          • It was also weird because we got both of their justifications.

          • Maritimer

            Right. And Ben’s (to me) was bad but I tend to agree we are supposed to be on his side generally so it was a weird thing to include if it was supposed to make him look bad

          • Unless it is supposed to be the first dent in his armor to being the winner.

          • We could consider the fact that it’s not necessarily there to make him look bad – it’s to help tell the story of this episode. Ben hates Cole! So he’s going to flip! But Cole apologised! So maybe Ben will stick with him!

          • Maritimer

            Yup, could definitely be trying to read way too much of a broader implication into this. That said, why not just explain the strategic reason to flip rather than this story?

          • Diego Armando

            I think they did (we need to boot a Healer), but showing Cole’s obliviousness helps reinforce that decision and plays better to the camera.

          • I’m guessing Ben’s strategic reason for flipping involved a ten-minute discussion of military tactics.

          • Prom King

            I think with Cole being mocked all season and Ben being celebrated, it was clear to me who I was supposed to side with. I saw the whole thing through Ben’s eyes, and probably would have felt the same way about Cole’s apology.

          • Maritimer

            I was wondering if people took that side. This is what is weird though, is that both sides are legit and Survivor doesn’t normally leave that question open

          • Prom King

            Also, having had roommates who were just like Cole with food that is supposed to be for everyone made me predisposed to not taking Cole’s side.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Waking up in the morning excited for a bowl of cereal only to find out that it’s gone <<<<>>>>

          • You see, your first problem there was being excited about the concept of ‘cereal’.

          • Diego Armando

            Mini-Wheats are delicious.

          • Maritimer

            Yes, roommates like that would suck. And I’m not saying Cole was really in the right but the apology was genuine so I didn’t like the not accepting it.

          • Prom King

            Ok I will give him that: it was obviously a genuine apology. Some apologies are hard to accept though, especially for patterns of behavior rather than a single incident. I will take an apology for one incident, but for a pattern, I need to see actual change first. Apologies are easy!

            Not to hate too much on Cole though. He’s an enjoyable character to me.

          • Diego Armando

            Cole is a fun doofus and an additive presence.

          • Maritimer

            That’s fair. And I don’t expect he will change his behaviour. Cole makes a great character and seems like a genuinely nice guy who people just really haven’t said no to all that often

          • Cole’s apology was basically “I am too self-absorbed to consider that other people might also want to eat food”, which is not to me the most compelling of excuses.

          • StormofCuteness

            I definitely took it the firsr way. Cole’s apology could not have come off as more entitled. “I just don’t think of those things” re: catching fish and not sharing it with anyone.

      • Roswulf

        I did too- obviously Cole is a self-centered doofus, but this showed he was a self-centered doofus who wasn’t to proud to beg.

        And then Ben was being a jerk, unfunny stubborn ass species.

        Now I don’t think this is inconsistent with Ben getting a winner’s edit- we’re still seeing stories told through his eyes, and in a way that obviously appeals to lots of people (just not me…). But I’m definitely Team Cole in this one.

        • Maritimer

          Ben could definitely be getting a winner’s edit but scenes like this at least make it not an obvious one if its there, because he did look like the stubborn stick in the mud on this one

    • Crappy

      I think he is the fan fav day 38 finisher this season.

    • Prom King

      Ben and Mike look nearly equal to me (Chrissy below both, but sill in there), with Ben having an edge over Mike due to the former’s ptsd scene and the latter’s growth scenes, which are rarely (ever?) given to winners.

      • Alycia Swift

        And Ben formerly being in the military and he probably does not have a lot in his real life. Dr. Mike does not need the funds. But out of the two, I’d prefer Dr. Mike to win.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Based on what we’ve seen, I’d say the three players who I think are the most likely winners are Ben, Chrissy and ~maybe~ Mike or Ryan. I personally think Chrissy is the front runner but that is probably at least some part wishful thinking, since I’m rooting for the novelty of a cold, calculating older mom type winning with math.
      I definitely think Ben could win, but my problem with him is that he has such a compelling story so far that I can’t imagine a scenario where they don’t make him a major character, especially now that he made the merge and was a swing vote in the first post merge tribal council. Then again, that’s what I thought about Adam in MvGX so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

      • indescribable hat

        On paper I should love Chrissy, but it’s not totally translating. She and Ryan kind of have the same problem where they are calculating and full of themselves but not in a particularly entertaining way.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          I agree with this. It’s a weird feeling to be rooting for Chrissy without really having any affection for her, but it’s happening for some reason.

        • All of this. This community loves people who are full of themselves. People like Tyson and Tony and Sandra and Michaela because they bring something to the show by being mostly themselves. These two just seem to be playing their characters out.

          • Diego Armando

            Those people are also genuinely funny. I think Chrissy is similar to Carolyn from Worlds Apart. Seemingly good at the game and self confident, but not connecting at a personal level with the audience.

          • Prom King

            I think you are exactly right with that parallel. I wonder why I’m drawn more towards Chrissy than I ever was towards Carolyn though. Time for some self-examination! Maybe it’s just because I didn’t care for Carolyn’s sour expressions and I find Chrissy’s cheerful egomania to be delightful.

          • Alycia Swift

            This. Plus, Carolyn was on the same alliance as Dan and Rodney and Will. And she turned on Shirin (early on she was in an alliance with her). Chrissy was a target early on and changed it around.

          • Prom King

            Great points. Probably even more of a debit for me than her expressions was her horrible alliance with horrible people.

          • That’s a damn good comparison.

          • Alycia Swift

            Exactly. While I rooted for Mike, Carolyn was the best strategic player. Her edit was a bit like Chrissy’s at times.

        • Maritimer

          I actually thought her first confessional might be setting her up for the overconfident blindside treatment this episode

          • I thought her last confessional was also setting this up until we got the whole “I have applied for 16 years” element.

          • Maritimer

            By that point I was pretty convinced a Beauty was going home. I still think getting blindsided because she’s overconfident is in the cards for her down the road though

          • I love how I immediately was like “Oh yeah, Beauty=Healer”

          • Maritimer

            I accidentally called them the Beauty tribe in a post after Episode 1 or 2 and then just started randomly doing it in posts for fun

          • It checks out
            Hero=Brawn=Blue Collar
            Hustler=Brains=No Collar

      • prettyboyprobst

        I’m mostly on board with this analysis, but for me Devon is also among the top contenders, but maybe that’s more of a function of him being my dark horse winner pick since the premiere than I realize.
        Ben has a good shot but I’m also not as convinced as others seem to be, but then again, Chrissy, Mike and Ryan are missing something, too. Ashley I won’t even consider and Joe is really hard to imagine, too (as is, to a lesser degree, Dr.Mike, sadly).
        For the most part I’m just terrified that it’s going to be Ryan in the end, afterall.

    • Diego Armando

      I think Ben, Ryan and Chrissy and maybe Dr. Mike the front runners. I think a case could be made for Devon, Ashley, Joe, and maybe Lauren, but the winner will likely be one of those first three.

  • I’m not done listening to know-it-alls yet, but my main take so far is that Jessica got voted out because she finally gave it up to Cole and, as per the rules of horror movies, that meant she had to die.

    I mean, that may not be /exactly/ what they said, but let’s go with it. Next week: Cole hears a suspicious noise in the jungle and walks towards it.

    (It is Joe digging for another idol.)

  • gouis

    Guys is looks like reddit shut down Ryan’s second favorite sub:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/08/reddit-incel-involuntary-celibate-men-ban

    • sharculese

      Reddit: Sure we make our money out of creating a place for the worst of humanity to gather, but we’re willing to act a little embarrassed about it if you shame us aggressively enough.

  • Maritimer

    I haven’t really been surprised by a boot yet. The closest was JP because it felt like his boot episode even though there was no logical reason to vote him out. I think this is a good thing in the advent of storytelling. In AUS Survivor we usually knew who was going home (or at least the candidates) and I thought that was a good thing then and I like it now. We don’t need to be blindsided at TC (looking at you Game Changers).

    Also, has US Survivor ever done that spinny ball ring challenge before or did they adopt that from AUS Survivor?

    • indescribable hat

      Jeff said it was a new challenge.

      • Maritimer

        Good. Hopefully this is a sign they are learning from the AUS challenge people because they had awesome challenges

    • Max_Jets

      I think the more surprsing boots – Patrick, Alan, Ali – have been really well edited as to not be obvious, but we have enough information to know how we got there.

      • Maritimer

        Exactly. We aren’t getting boots that come out of left field like we had been

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Miles Nye sent out a tweet basically admitting they lifted it from Australian Survivor. That makes me really excited about the challenges in the season 36-37 cycle.

      I completely agree with you that sometimes just seeing how a vote comes together is more interesting than being surprised by the vote. Hopefully this cast will do something as interesting as the Tessa vote.

      • Head Architect Sylvia

        I hope we get charades! Instant classic. Also I know it’s from Borneo and not Aus Survivor but it’d be cool if they revisited that first ever FIC which Aus has used in the past two seasons. Not saying they have to do it this season, but it’d be nice if we see it again sometime in the next few years. Always delivers.

      • Maritimer

        That’s awesome. I’m glad they aren’t too proud to steal challenge ideas.

        I lack the faith that this cast will do something as interesting as the Tessa vote because they don’t have a Luke to do it

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    People I forget are still on this season (in order of memorableness):
    Devon
    Desi
    Ashley (who?)

    • You remember JP is on this season? Or is he so forgettable that you managed to forget him for the list of most forgettable?

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        The second one, most definitely

      • Maritimer

        JP is going to turn into the Purple Kelly of this season in being memorable for his forgettable-ness

        • Mike Hirsch

          It would be kind of hilarious if he quit.

          • Production: Hey, Probst, JP just walked away from camp.
            Probst: Maybe he had to go pee or something.
            Production: Probst, JP has been gone for three days.
            Probst: Wait, doesn’t that mean…
            Production: Yes, he should have been at Tribal Council
            Probst: Whoops!

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          JPurple

      • BadPlayer91

        I remembered a nameless attractive collection of muscles who occasionally gives court-side interviews between halves? Is that this J. P.?

        • i and 1

          I saw Cole smiling briefly during TC, and I just did not recognize him, it looked like a whole new older dude-bro player, and so I thought to myself, “that must be the JP everyone has been talking about…”

      • indescribable hat

        They brought back JP Calderon?

        • BadPlayer91

          mmm, JP and JP, just wrestling and seeing where things end up? I’m on board.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            And then sharing a tri tip salad on the beach. Romantic.

          • BadPlayer91

            So, we’re writing a fanfic right? Can it be called “Stirring the Calderon”?

          • Leave out the word salad from that sentence and you’ve got the next line in @badplayer91:disqus ‘s fanfic.

          • BadPlayer91

            This shit writes itself!

          • Ms. Sweaterfan
          • You’re my new favorite poster.

          • With JP doing commentary.

          • BadPlayer91

            “So, eh, you see, here I have the other JP pinned, he, eh, didn’t seem to be fighting back too hard. Almost seemed like he wanted me to pin him down, and things like that. And, ah, here we’re just kissing…”

          • No I meant another JP.

          • BadPlayer91

            Too late, HvHvH JP is now doing commentary, on himself wrestling Cook Island JP. Then when he’s finished with commentary he joins, for a good ole fashion Triple JP sandwich.

          • StormofCuteness

            Is he Canadian in this fantasy?

          • BadPlayer91

            eh’s and ah’s should be seen as interchangeable, given JP uses them so often. Also, it leans into the concept of JP as a hockey player doing a mid-game interview, which is, i believe, the most adequate description of captain bland.

      • Alycia Swift

        The one thing I will say about JP is that while the high definition and movie theater screen at KIA makes a players look worse (pimples, gnarly feet, etc.), JP looked great. Cole not so much.

        • StormofCuteness

          This makes me slightly less jealous of our outing. *grin*

        • Yeah, JP was looking great last week. I honestly didn’t even notice him in this week’s episode.

        • Violina23

          I was preparing a whole comment in my head about the huge movie screen. I agree with just about everything you said.

          They played a video introduction from Probst that was pretty close up. This was one of the first things we saw on the big screen and it was kinda terrifying. His dimples must have been about a foot each.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/59b1c6df01036da266911a8113982ce817ebe29b97e660914593fc55b954151a.jpg

          • Alycia Swift

            I was thinking the same thing about the dimples (not that they were scary though) and just did not get to post.

    • I was listening to another podcast and they mentioned how Desi was one of two people who didn’t get a confessional. One host said “Who was the other?” and the other said “Who do you think?” Yeap, it was JP.

    • Ms_Woozah

      I’m liking Devon more and more. But i call him Surfing Adam Driver in my head.

      • Oh my gosh, that explains a lot about my attraction to him.

      • Violina23

        I’ve seen it. I can’t un-see it

  • I am going to be 100 percent right now. I would kill for some Outback Steakhouse. A medium rare steak with some french fries is just my kind of dinner.

    • I know chains like that are trash, but damn if that didn’t look really good after my dinner of cold pizza (which is also trash).

      • I had cold pasta and sauce, so I feel you there.

        • I didn’t feel like boiling water, so it was a pizza night.

          I’m really not usually this unhealthy, but….2017.

          • It was cooked for me by the time I got home.

          • Just rub it in.

            I have vegetables for tonight and I’m going to eat them, I swear.

          • Maritimer

            What’s a vegetable?

      • Purplerockmatt

        i made fun of it, but outback is fine, and after being on an island for that long, I would trample Probst and shill so damn hard for that steak

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Strictly in the context of a game where they starve people for nearly three weeks and then give them steaks and pint mugs of beer, “Thunder from Down Under” is truly unfortunate branding.

    • Like Outback Steakhouse is actually something that would get me excited if I was on Survivor.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Just started listening to KIA – Cirie is such a queen

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Just finished. That was right up there with Sophie and Denise.

    • Violina23

      She is *the* queen (With Sandra, of course). I’m thankful that @disqus_R9cNRvxsfG:disqus came with me to say hi.

  • Hornacek

    Obviously the Healers messed up this vote, but it feels like they really dropped the ball here. They really should have known that as the original tribe with the biggest numbers, they would be the targets of the other two tribes. If you’re a group of 5, why in the world would you think that 2 people from the other groups would want to join your alliance and be 6th and 7th? This is similar to Ali telling Ryan in Roark’s boot episode that she was in good with Roark and they she and Ryan could hook up with the Healers at the merge. “Hey, great idea, I’d love to be 6th or 7th in an alliance of 7 people where 5 of them started teh game together!”

    What some of the Healers should have done (and maybe they tried this, who knows) is try to defuse this numbers majority by dropping a couple of Healers and picking up 2 Heroes and 2 Hustlers. Would this have worked? Maybe, maybe not, but it feels like it had a better chance than all the Healers sticking together and expecting 2 other people to be happy to be 6th and 7th.

    And you can say that those 6th and 7th players would have been able to find cracks in the original 5 Healers alliance – we know that not all the Healers trust Joe. But if you’re 6th and 7th you may not know this – as far as you know you’re in a group of 5 people that started the game together and want to reunite at the merge.

    • Or do what Chrissy thought Ben was doing and distance yourselves from each other.

      Another option is let Ben and Lauren set the target from the other side.

    • Maritimer

      The other option is to offer them a good deal. Jess and Cole or Jess and Mike or someone should have made a Final 4 deal with them.

      • I think it would have to be Mike and Jess, since those two had the bond with Mike.

        • Maritimer

          And I don’t think they’d have liked a F4 deal with Cole. The problem is selling them on the idea that Jess will boot Cole

    • Prom King

      Well, they are the Healers not the Brains! We can really only expect healing from them.

  • By The Numbers

    Interesting tidbits from Jessica’s exit interview: no one gets a good vibe from Chrissy and she definitely does not like other women.

    Considering her edit has a very FTC loser feel to it, I think reading exit interviews like this will give good insight as to why she inevitably loses at some point (even if it’s not at the end). I don’t think she’s actually much smarter or more strategic than a Ben or Ryan, but everybody really likes those 2.

    • She also mentions how she knew that Ben had flipped, but she didn’t realize how close Lauren was to staying with them until watching it last night.

      • By The Numbers

        I was actually more impressed with her exit interview than I thought I would be. The show never portrayed Cole as her intended shield, and in a world where Joe isn’t an idiot, that plan may have worked.

        • Prom King

          Same here, and I was not a fan of Jessica on the show. But in her exit interview she came across as fun, dynamic, and strategic. Now I hope she will return so we can see a Kelley W type turnaround.

          • I just hope that she will come back to the show without giving up her dog.

          • We didn’t get much of a superfan vibe from her, so I’d be excited to see how she’d be portrayed if she goes further than this.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          In this week’s EW interview, Probst said Jessica has “savvy game sense” but was derailed by Cole. Coming from Probst about a young woman, that’s saying a lot. He also said she’s a good second chance candidate, which again is saying a lot (not least about what the next returnees season is likely to be).

    • Max_Jets

      Another interesting tidbit is that she still radiates enthusiasm in text form and I love her.

    • I’m pretty sure I only like Chrissy because I decided before the season that I’d like her, and I’m too stubborn to bother changing my mind. I could see how her edit may be pointing to a win, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a 6th-4th place or losing finalist edit.

      • By The Numbers

        I think my biggest problem with her is that she most likely would’ve been voted out if not for Ryan giving her the idol – which he only gave to her because she threw up and was on the outs of her tribe. Her game play can essentially be summarized as failing upwards.

        • Prom King

          She was central in eliminating Roark and Jessica, while being a target herself both times. That’s not failing to me!

          • By The Numbers

            Chrissy and JP would both be gone if not for her bond with Ryan, which only happened because she sucked so hard the first 3 days.
            The fact that she never spoke to Roark while they were on a tribe was also a terrible move and she gets no credit for Roark going home because that was all Ryan.

            Her being a target at the merge is also an indictment of her game. A nearly 40yo mom isn’t really a typical target unless they are doing something poorly enough to be noticed

          • Hornacek

            In the pre-season interviews she revealed she’s actually 46 but was going to tell the other players that she’s only 39

          • I’m just waiting for her to slip up and disclose how old her kids are, which will cause someone else to do that mental math.

          • Hornacek

            She should just tell everyone that they are her step-kids.

          • Good call. I wonder if anyone on island has asked her why she is a hero.

          • Hornacek

            She would have to explain to them what an actuary is. If she ever wanted to put someone to sleep she could describe it to them.

          • I have a weird feeling that she just says that she is an accountant to keep it easy and also to avoid any future conversations about her job. Compared to a firefighter and a lifeguard, an accountant is extremely uninteresting.

          • Hornacek

            Are you looking for John to ban you?

          • That is why i couched it the way I did.

          • Prom King

            Teen Mom Actuary: Chrissy’s Story

            I figure as long as I’m doing story line titles for Ryan…

          • Prom King

            – According to what Ryan himself said – or didn’t say – the fact that she “sucked so hard” (I guess you mean because she threw up once? Or just because she’s a 40 year old mom?)… was not a factor in why he chose her. According to an exit interview, he couldn’t have even see her throw up because his team had left before that happened. Viewers appear to be projecting their own version onto his rationale, one that isn’t supported by the actual edit of that scene, or anything anyone on the show has actually said.

            – Roark also never spoke to Chrissy. Who ended up leaving? Seems to me like Roark is the one who made a fatal mistake. And it definitely was not all Ryan, who wasn’t even necessarily a swing vote. Chrissy was the one who entrapped Roark and then used her own words against her when talking to JP and then Ryan. Ryan agreed to Chrissy’s plan.

            – She was targeted at the merge because she was recognized as the biggest strategic threat – clearly not as a challenge threat. That’s not an indictment, that’s showing respect for (or fear of) her game. People who do poorly are not often targeted post-merge… the ones who don’t do anything strategically, socially, or in challenges usually get to coast for a while.

          • By The Numbers

            My mistake regarding her throwing up. That still does not change the fact that it was essentially a random decision Ryan made to give her the idol.

            When judging Roark you have to remember that she entered a 2-2-1 tribe situation. In almost any other scenario, Roark is the swing vote. In her mind, she had to make a choice between one group or the other; that opinion is especially validated by Ali (who also viewed the situation that way). She was waiting to see what Chrissy and the Heroes could offer her. I don’t think that showed any notable flaw in Roark’s game.
            However it showed a huge flaw in Chrissy’s. She has no time or consideration for people she doesn’t need. That’s gonna come back to bite her eventually.
            (She also didn’t use Roark’s words against her, she just made up a lie to JP. Clever, but JP is dumb enough that she shouldn’t have to lie to him to have them be on the same page)

            Someone who really gets the game won’t be a target at the merge because they have subtlety. Of course that isn’t true of alpha male types or challenge threats, but Chrissy is neither. If she really understood the game she would realized Boeing UTR is her biggest strength because her alliance doesn’t really have a reason to keep her around after the outsiders are voted off

          • Hornacek

            “That still does not change the fact that it was essentially a random decision Ryan made to give her the idol.”

            I don’t think it was a random decision. From what I’ve heard, Ryan and Devon discussed who they would give it to on each tribe before the challenge (although I haven’t heard anything about who he would have given it to if the Healers had gone to tribal).

            So when looking at the Heroes tribe, who seems like someone who would need some help, would likely survive long enough for Ryan to be on a tribe with them, and would be grateful for the idol and want to align with him? Likely not one of the guys. Of the women, Chrissy and Katrina would have been the ones that most needed the idol. Katrina would have been the most grateful, but the least likely to survive another tribal. Plus Ryan has said that he observed Chrissy in pre-game and got a good feeling from her.

            I don’t think Ryan just randomly picked a name out of a hat and came up “Chrissy”.

          • By The Numbers

            All true. By “random”, I just meant that Chrissy didn’t have a whole lot to do with the decision. And like you said, her probably being on the outs with her tribe factored in, which is why I said she was “failing upwards”.

          • Prom King

            You make good points about Roark’s position.

            The notable flaw in Roark’s game was that she was only allied with Ali directly, but only with Ryan by proxy. Chrissy was and is allied directly with both Ryan and JP. She made sure she had the numbers while Roark tried to coast by on her relationship with one person.

            Chrissy made up a lie, yes – but Roark did actually tell Chrissy that she’d be down with an all-girls alliance. She was bullshitting her of course, but Roark verbalizing her agreement was exactly what Chrissy was waiting for. And she used it.

            Subtle leaders get targeted at the merge. We can go all the way back to season one with Gretchen Cordy, or more recently with Anna Khait. Happens all the time. I think it’s also the reason Jessica went home. You can really get the game and still be a target.

          • Alycia Swift

            Roark never approached her either. It does go both ways.

        • Hornacek

          After the first episode’s challenge, the other 2 tribes had already left before Chrissy threw up (confirmed in more than one exit interviews). Ryan and Devon had already decided before they went to the challenge to give the idol to Chrissy if her tribe lost.

          • Alycia Swift

            Likely because she was the smallest, female and older and thus presumed to be the weakest. Katrinia was slightly larger if I recall correctly.

          • Hornacek

            In Ryan’s pre-merge interview with Dalton Ross on EW.com, he says that he and Devon chose Chrissy because they wanted to choose someone who probably would be targeted as one of the weaker players on their tribe, someone who would need it and would be more likely to be grateful later and want to work with them.

          • Alycia Swift

            Which lines up with what I said. All the guys on that tribe would never get it – all 3 were in good shape (Ben) to great shape (Alan and JP). So, automatically female. Looking the other 3, Ashley looked athletic. Possibly Katrina did (despite being older). So there’s Chrissy.

          • Hornacek

            Right, and Ryan probably figured that while Katrina might need the idol more, she was less likely to survive a second vote. Plus Ryan has said he got a good vibe from her in the pre-game.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          As others have said, the other two tribes at the first immunity challenge were gone by the time Chrissy threw up. And anyway she didn’t need the advantage to avoid getting voted out. Plenty of winners and finalists only get to the end because of a lucky break, it’s just more prominent in Chrissy’s case because it happened in the first episode.

          • By The Numbers

            True, but I haven’t seen a whole lot of good gameplay other than her relationship with Ryan.

            When I referenced her being voted out, I was referring to the first vote after the swap. If not for the secret Santa idol, that vote comes down to Heroes vs Hustlers with Roark as the swing. And we know Ali and Roark were very friendly, so it’s pretty easy to see which way Roark would’ve swung.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I definitely agree that the case for being bullish on Chrissy is based more on the edit than anything she’s done in game.

            We’ll never know, of course, but at the swap the Healers had a 6-4-4 numbers advantage, so it’s entirely possible that even if Ryan didn’t have a connection with Chrissy, he would have done everything he could to put the vote on Roark.

          • By The Numbers

            Ryan seems smart enough to have used Roark to get JP or Chrissy out and then throw the next challenge and vote her out right before the merge. It could have been really interesting rocks watch play out

          • Hornacek

            Upvoted for “secret Santa idol”.

          • Only 1 winner has ever been close to going home in the first episode: Chris in Vanuatu and that was because he got votes for bombing the first IC.

  • Mike Hirsch

    So, what if, and stick with me here…what if Joe wins? I think we’ve seen enough of Joe to determine that win or lose, Joe’s edit would be basically what we’ve had so far. And while his schemes are a bit hairbrained, maybe they’re actually lulling his competition into a false sense of confidence, everyone thinking either, “oh my god, I can totally outwit Joe,” or “Joe would be the perfect goat.” But watch out! That’s where Joe’ll get you! He’ll turn it around on you, jack! Suddenly, you’re the goat, and Joe is the GOAT. I’m slamming my fist down on the table, and declaring for Joe. Ow. Joe is winning this thing!

    • Super duper fan

      Joe is not on top of my list, but he’s definetely not out. And really, I can find at least some argument that someone from 8 will win (all except Desi, Joe and Cole).

    • Star Z

      All I know is that if he wins, I’m gonna be pissed. Idk why I just don’t want him to win.

    • By The Numbers

      Maybe, but Devon was willing to go to rocks with 13 people left in the game to send Joe home. I don’t think someone that obnoxious can win over a jury

      • the sky is falling

        Yeah, I can see Joe making it there but losing. I guess if he is sitting next to JP and Ryan it’s….possible he wins

        • By The Numbers

          Depends on how burned people feel by Ryan

    • Prom King

  • Kemper Boyd

    Right now I’m on a couch with Em and Blurry Denzel and we are about to eat Burgers and watch a tonne of old Survivor. Also Scout is here and she’s a very good dog.
    Our viewing plan:
    Pearl islands premiere
    Drewchbag
    Denise winning
    Micronesia finale.

    Suggestions welcomed.

    • Max_Jets

      “Micronesia finale”
      Not final 5?

      I submit South Pacific FTC as a suggestion. The whole episode is good, but finales are LONG.

      • Blurry Denzel

        It will be the final five episode.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Yeah you are right we wanna watch Erik go

    • Super duper fan

      It’s hard to really choose, because there are many great ones. Personally I find Jean-Robert’s boot episode in China one of the great underrated ones, so that.

    • Mike Hirsch

      It’s A Turtle!

      • Kemper Boyd

        Added

    • By The Numbers

      Coach’s boot episode from Tocantins is extremely underrated and a masterpiece of an episode

    • Throw in some Cambodia for me.

    • Hornacek

      Wow, Scout! A 3rd placer!

    • Prom King

      Any pre-merge episode of Nicaragua, for the lulz.

    • purplerockandy

      Rob and Amber Get Married.

      • Hornacek

        Jaclyn’s Say Yes To The Dress episode.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Next to last Tocantins episode–arguably Peak Coach.

      In the photo I can identify you, Em, BD, Violina, and Ms. Woozah. Who are the others?

      • StormofCuteness

        I have no clue who anyone is except BD. But everyone looked like such a fun group to hang with. *grin*

        • Alycia Swift

          We are.

    • prettyboyprobst

      Well, I’ve been looking for an excuse to watch this ancient Survivor-themed episode of The Weakest Link for a while now, but I’m not sure this would be the best use of your time together. It has Hatch, Sue Hawk and Gretchen in it, though (among others). And Dr. Sean!

    • Violina23

      Wish I could be there with you! So close, yet so far…

      • Alycia Swift

        Ditto.

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    Man, I really regret not going to the Live KIA. I did go to a John Hodgman book reading, so my nerd cred is mostly intact.

    • Violina23

      This can be rectified. Next time!

  • Head Architect Sylvia

    @disqus_R9cNRvxsfG:disqus @AssistantDragonSlayer:disqus @disqus_sjBnbSyo83:disqus @prettyboyprobst:disqus @superduperfan:disqus @Max_Jets:disqus and anyone else that watches – I only just saw this five minutes ago but its from 18 hours ago so apologies if you’ve already seen it. Seriously thought it was probably going to get cancelled. I just hope Champions doesn’t mean D grade celebrities… which is something the network possibly could have agreed upon in an attempt to get a bigger audience.

    https://twitter.com/Survivor_AU/status/928538017643479040

    • Maritimer

      Someone pointed out on Reddit that you could basically cast a “Champions” tribe from people they’ve already had and were interesting so I will remain optimistic, though it’s clearly a gimmick to draw viewers. But Lee, Barry, both Sams, Locky, Ziggy and others would all qualify for such a tribe

      • Head Architect Sylvia

        That’s true, but literally all of the people you just named are terrible so either way I should probably be a bit worried.

        • Maritimer

          Yeah, but I’m hopeful they can do their GOOD casting with this group but we will see. It all depends how broadly they define “Champions”.. Honestly when I first saw the subtitle I was hoping it was going to be a Fans v Favourite style

    • prettyboyprobst

      I had not seen that yet, that’s good news! Although it’s true that it is a little bit sad that it only took two seasons until production decided that the new season season needed a theme, and this one sounds especially bad.

      Since you’ve drawn all those eyeballs over here, let me take this opportunity to mention one more time that I’ve posted a linque to the 2016 AU Survivor Family Feud episode in the Finale thread, in case anyone is still interested to see that: http://disq.us/p/1nmng7t

      • Head Architect Sylvia

        Makes more sense given it has been rating pretty poorly though. I guess they need to do something to get more mass appeal.

        You found it! Solid effort.

        • prettyboyprobst

          Still on the look-out for the 2017 special edition…

          Speaking of ratings, I noticed that the two Survivor episodes of All-Star FF had the lowest ratings in each of their seasons (so far, in case of 2017 FF, info from wikipedia).

          • Head Architect Sylvia

            Wow, Survivor can not win, it just isn’t popular at all. That’s sort of funny though. So thankful it somehow got renewed.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      This is news (great news!) to me as well. I’m not thrilled about the public figure vs. ordinary people format, but given that AU Survivor either loses or just barely makes money, and Network Ten’s problems in general, if this is what they have to do then fine.

    • Super duper fan

      I’ve seen it, and I’m very excited. Not that big of a fan of this theme, but they have to do what they gotta do.

      And fun fact- I’ve still haven’t seen the last three episodes! I am spoiled for the winner though, RIP The Queen of Australian Survivor Michelle “It makes me not TRUST you” Dougan.

    • Something Quirky

      Ugh, it’s gonna be like Bachelor and Biggest Loser and Masterchef people, isn’t it.
      You’d think actual Survivor would hopefully attract a higher caliber than I’m A Celebrity, at least.

      Also, CBS’s takeover of Channel Ten is going to actually happen very soon, so that might have some interesting results for Survivor, though I assume Channel 9 won’t be giving up US Survivor anytime soon.