Survivor Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers Episode 8 Liveblog: “Playing with the Devil”

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"Playing with the Devil" - Chrissy Hofbeck on the eighth episode of SURVIVOR 35, themed Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers, airing Wednesday, November 15 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Photo: Screen GrabCBS ©2017 CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.

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Matt has an irrational dislike for all contestants named Michel(l)e. Also if he ever takes a strong stance about why everyone else is wrong, it is he that is inevitably wrong.

Favorite seasons: Micronesia, Heroes vs. Villains, Palau, Philippines, Pearl Islands, Cagayan
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  • the sky is falling

    Typing cat paws are ready.
    Prepare to say bye-bye to Desi.

    • Hornacek

      Foreshadowing!

      • the sky is falling

        Lucky guess and fairly predictable season thus far

  • Hornacek
    • the sky is falling

      I like this gimmick

      • Hornacek

        I just kind of fell into it.

        • the sky is falling

          Cats would suck at survivor. clearly a golden retriever or lab would win. corgis would be the goat.

          • Hornacek

            Cats would stay at camp and skip the challenges.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Sandra is a cat.

          • sharculese

            “clearly a golden retriever or lab would win.”

            Something stupid that eats all the time and is proud of how good it is as digging? Yeah, Cole’s killing it out there.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            He ain’t called Mr. Peanutbutter for nothin’.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I cannot believe that’s what y’all chose as the header.

    • purplerockandy

      Here’s a hint: when looking at the header image, look at the title of the episode. See how they pair up.

  • the sky is falling

    An individual could mess this whole thing up, “cut to Joe” nice!

  • Hornacek

    Why is Lauren nailing in the tree?

    • indescribable hat

      Phrasing!

      • Hornacek

        I almost wrote ” Why is Lauren nailing the tree?”

        • indescribable hat

          Even phrasing-er!

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I like this advantage. I think.

    • the sky is falling

      Interesting twist, wheels are spinning in my head

  • Burn the advantage. (I just saying this because it would funny to me. This advantage is actually decent.)

    • the sky is falling

      I’m having a hard time deciding how you use it. scary, but perfect for someone who is not a target at all

      • Taako From Teevhii

        The thing though is that you have take a risk twice. Once to guess that your abstention won’t affect the outcome of the first vote; again to guess that your second vote will affect the outcome and not be wasted.

        • the sky is falling

          Yes, great twist

      • I am curious to see how Lauren plays it. Whether or not she plays it right or burns it will interesting.

    • Hornacek

      Calm down, Mr. Culpepper.

      • Let’s make Jeff Probst cry. Burn the advantage.

  • Hornacek

    Lauren is afraid someone will see her put the scroll in the urn. She does know she is many feet away from the tribe when voting, and you can block the urn with your body, right?

    • indescribable hat

      She probably has a better understanding of the geography than we do. Probably.

  • Hornacek

    The advantages this season have been neat and inventive. Good job, show.

    • the sky is falling

      I’m astounded that none of us or the show have thought of this before. They are changing the twists nicely

      • indescribable hat

        I feel like I’ve heard this one suggested, probably on RHAP. It’s pretty fun, especially as a secret from people who don’t count.

        • Hornacek

          Probably on one of their Think Tanks.

      • purplerockandy

        I don’t think of possible advantages because I don’t necessarily want future advantages.

    • chamberpop

      Instead of not voting she should have been forced to vote for herself.

      • Hornacek

        One of the basic rules of the show from day 1 has been that you can’t vote for yourself.

  • Hornacek

    Dr. Mike and Ryan are the only guys wearing shirts as they come into the challenge.

    • The shot of shirtless Cole, JP, and Devon lined up in a row and smiling is clearly the producers’ shoutout to me.

  • Hornacek

    This challenge = Fishbach’s recurring nightmare.

  • Boo, make Joe bet on team, Survivor.

    • indescribable hat

      It’s the simple, elegant solution! But they needed an individual winner for their drama scheming, and this cast could use some manufactured drama, so…

  • the sky is falling

    Ryan, can’t hit it, no surprise

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Is there a reason Ashley isn’t switching out?

  • Hornacek

    Dr. Mike connects with his first shot! His earlier fist pumping was deserved.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    This reward format sucks. But I’m open to it being good.

    • Streets_Ahead

      It’s so much more interesting when an individual wins and has to pick people to go with them.

      • the sky is falling

        They tried that, but JP was so boring they switched it up last second

    • RuPaul would be proud of this extreme level of drama manipulation.

  • Scarlett3639

    Since everyone had to run the course and take a shot for this challenge, does that mean you could hit all the targets, but still have to play til everyone had taken a shot?

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Kinda. You have to swap out when you hit a target. So the minimum you have to run before hitting all targets is 2. But you’d then still have to run 3 before finishing.

    • wonderand

      Based on Jeff’s colour commentary, it sounded like
      a) you had to step down once you hit a target
      b) everyone had to go once before you could send repeats. (After red cycled through, he said something like “anyone can go now!”)

      So no, there’d be no way to finish before everyone had shot once.

    • indescribable hat

      You couldn’t hit them all without everyone taking a shot because you can’t repeat people until everyone has gone.

    • Can anyone remember the challenge where we’ve seen this strategy before? The earlier challenge with the bags of rice and the balance beams sort of counts, but I’m sure there have been challenges where weaker team members pretty much just jumped into the water on their turns and got out of the way.

      • Hornacek

        I am positive there was a challenge where Boston Rob did this. Everyone else took two steps, jumped in the water, and went back to the start so that Rob could then go through the challenge multiple times.

        • Was that the balance beam challenge in All Stars that you’re thinking of? The one with The Incident? Or from a later season?

          • Hornacek

            I’m not sure, but it feels like Redemption Island. The rest of Rob’s tribe were like “A challenge? Gosh, we don’t know what we’re doing. Rob, you’ve played this game 3 times, just go ahead and do the entire challenge by yourself, we would just mess things up.”

          • purplerockandy

            Nope, it was All-Stars, where everyone with him had played the game the exact same amount of times (and most of them for more days), yet they still thought to themselves “Rob, just go ahead and do the entire challenge by yourself, we would just mess things up.”

            Because everything people like to say about Rob’s competition in his fourth time was true about his competition his second time.

            Narratives!

          • Hornacek

            I figured you would be the one to clarify anything Boston Rob related.

            Even without knowing when this challenge took place in All Stars, it feels safe to say that during that challenge, Rob was probably the strongest and fittest person on his team/tribe. So even though everyone else may have had the same amount of Survivor experience as him, they quickly realized they should just let him do the entire challenge.

          • purplerockandy

            But I thought you said it felt like something that could only have happened when he was playing with Redemption Island people?

          • Hornacek

            No, you’re mixing up the time when I was bad-mouthing Boston Rob’s win against the weakest set of newbies ever. This time I’m talking about how he was so great at a particular challenge that the rest of his team/tribe sat back and said “You go ahead and do all of it, we’ll just sit back and watch you win for all of us.”

          • purplerockandy

            Yes, that one.

  • Hornacek

    Poor Ashley – her power couple-mate JP beats her and wins it for his team.

  • Interesting format for the reward, but I feeling that one person selecting the order which people eat would be more fun if one person choosing wasn’t Joe.

  • Hornacek

    This order twist is like Expert’s reward in All Stars except no one knows who gets what.

    If you’re second last, do you eat it all?

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Depends on who’s last.

    • Yes

    • the sky is falling

      Joe took the best option making himself last since he didn’t compete

      • purplerockandy

        Joe took the worst option because the clue was gone by then.

        • the sky is falling

          yeah, this is the problem with ‘typing cat gif’ takes. wrote that before we saw the actual reward

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Small nitpick: this isn’t family style. It’s sloppy seconds. And thirds. And fourths. And …

    • sharculese

      It’s also fucking stupid.

    • the sky is falling

      I wish Cole was first, he would have eaten it all

    • forever1267

      Did they get their own forks? Because that would be, like, totally unsanitary. Totally!

    • purplerockandy

      What kind of weird-ass family does Probst come from.

      • Hornacek

        Yeah, what family eats like that? Everyone eats alone, off the same plate?

  • Devon’s chewing prowess wholly vindicates John’s assigned fandom.

  • Hornacek

    How cold is that spaghetti gonna be if you’re last?

    • sharculese

      As cold as it is if you’re first.

      • Hornacek

        They probably brought it out hot, or at least warm.

        • sharculese

          They brought it out hot, then it sat there while the camera crew got the food porn shot in and Joe explained the eating order.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Cole is so fucking stupid, just spread it around the plate.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      nvm, idk why Chrissy is eating off a cloth napkin like it’s nbd

      • Taako From Teevhii

        This whole fucking thing is stupid. It’s so fucking stupid.

        • the sky is falling

          Hiding the plate is the most stupid tho

    • Maritimer

      Spreading it around the plate doesn’t work. People would uncover it again. I think this method is inherently flawed because everyone after him is going to see it, unless he threw it away

  • Streets_Ahead

    Spaghetti on top of a napkin not at all suspicious.

    • Spaghetti on top of a napkin just sitting on a table even more suspicious. I don’t know if I’d have had the guts to full on throw the plate away and count on Joe not to come back and mention it, even as a curiosity.

  • sharculese

    “It is what it is.”

    Classic JP.

    • sharculese

      “I respond to life by eating.”

      Classic Cole.

  • Hornacek

    Wow, Cole makes a smart move by covering the plate. He probably should have thrown the plate away though.

    • indescribable hat

      Everyone seemed awfully comfortable with the idea that spaghetti would be served on a napkin.

      • Hornacek

        When in Fiji…

      • sharculese

        Wait, does everyone else not eat spaghetti by balling it onto a napkin and then jamming it in your face like a horse with a bag of oats?

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Ok, I liked how that was edited. That was fun.

  • Hornacek

    Yes, Ryan throws the plate away.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      He’s not in housekeeping.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    So if you’re Ryan, do you tell anyone at all that you found the idol?

    • You tell Chrissy because you have to and that is it. It is helpful Cole tackled his Lady McBeth so he has someone else to blame.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I don’t know that you have to, but I do think that if Chrissy finds out that you kept a secret idol from her, it’s more likely to turn out bad than good.

        • You have to because she knows where the idol actually is.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            But she thinks Cole has it.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Ryan told her he has it.

    • the sky is falling

      Nah, you just quit because you are terrible and only SNP likes you.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Nah, you just win because you are terrible and only Palsy understands you.

    • Streets_Ahead

      He already told Chrissy. When she came around to the flag he said ‘I got it cover (the hole) up’

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I missed the “I got it” part. I thought he just said to cover the hole up, which I interpreted as Ryan just not wanting people to realize he was digging there.

    • indescribable hat

      Apparently!

      • Hornacek

        Thanks for stopping by Ken.

    • Hornacek

      According to Next Time on Survivor, you tell everyone.

      • And you make it about your dick as much as possible.

        • Hornacek

          Blame Adam.

  • the sky is falling

    Two years ago I would make a comment about Desi that was wholly inappropriate for the current political climate.

  • gouis

    This season is careening towards unwatchable

    • the sky is falling

      You missed Desi in the last scene. Watchable

      • gouis

        I have the internet for those purposes.

  • Hornacek

    Ryan make out like a bandit. He gets Chrissy to clean up and get caught. And Cole gets the blame. Too bad for Cole that Alan wasn’t still here to prove his innocence. Although most people thinking he has an idol might be good for him.

    • the sky is falling

      Ugh

  • Hornacek

    Ben seems offended that someone in the minority alliance would look for an idol. How dare he!

  • Taako From Teevhii

    So again, over/under for Ryan at 90 seconds?

  • sharculese

    http://disq.us/p/1nspn18

    Called it. I mean, it wasn’t a hard call, but I called it.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    For a surfing instructor, I thought that Devon’s balance would be better.

    • sharculese

      His balance is calibrated for boat stuff.

      • gouis

        Yeah and he doesn’t have lube out on the island

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Speaking of boat stuff, can we talk about how these statues are medieval butt plugs?

        • the sky is falling

          No

        • sharculese

          We can, but I don’t know what to say beyond “those are butt plugs.”

          … Every time a Survivor falls of their beam, a goatse gets his wings?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Bad name for a product. After about 36 hours they stop plugging anything.

  • gouis

    Seeing Ryan’s heart beating through his skin almost made me vomit.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      That was horrifying.

      • gouis

        Thank you for being the only person to share my pain

      • Is this where we make the joke about being astonished to find out Ryan actually has one?

  • Hornacek

    “You’re killing me, Jeff.”

  • Hornacek

    Now that I’ve heard about it, Lauren’s white hat *is* very clean.

    • PurpleTally

      Is Lauren’s hat this season’s FFSDT’s nail polish?

  • the sky is falling

    If either of these doofuses win this game Imma be so so mad

  • the sky is falling

    Please don’t let Cole win this game. please don’t let Cole win this game

    • sharculese

      He won one immunity challenge. What is this new thing where we apparently break out the hyperbole because someone wins immunity once?

      • the sky is falling

        There have been minor indications in his edit that he makes it far, to me

        • sharculese

          There have been major indications in my edit that I have no fucks to give about the idea of minor indications in the edit.

          • the sky is falling

            What’s the Internet for, if not misplaced hyperbole and drunken live blogging?

          • sharculese

            Hardcore racism and cartoon characters doing sex stuff.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            *Boat stuff

          • Yo Ho

            Pictures and videos of cats.

      • Hornacek

        Thanks for putting that fear into us, Mike Holloway!

  • Hornacek

    “JP struggling with the feet.”

    More like “defeat”. Amiright?

    I’m here all night.

  • Bye Desi!

    • Taako From Teevhii

      pls be joe pls be joe pls be joe

      • I have only seen 20 minutes, but since they are scared about Joe having an idol and especially since they pointed out that Desi is good in endurance, it’s her.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Also, did y’all hear that (American) Thanksgiving week is one hour, and the week after is two?

    • Yeap, it’s like they knew when my birthday was and decided to give me an early birthday present.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Happy early birthday! (In case I don’t say it later. If I do, I take this back)

    • Hornacek

      Silly Americans, we already had Thanksgiving last month. And we have it on a Monday so we get a long weekend out of it.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        You know most Americans (unless you work in retail) get the Friday off as well, thus making a four-day weekend. And kids in school get the Wednesday before too.

        • Hornacek

          Unless my info is wrong, the Friday after Thanksgiving is not an official U.S. holiday. According to Google, it’s a state holiday for just over half the states, but if you’re not in those states you don’t get the day off.

          • purplerockandy

            I’m gonna go with the person who has lived her whole life in the country over the dude who just Googled the info.

          • Hornacek

            At my current employer half of the teams are in the U.S. and every Thanksgiving we hear the same thing – people choosing to use a vacation or sick day on Black Friday because they want the long weekend.

            I’m sure someone who lives in the U.S. knows more about this, but after almost 10 years of hearing this every November, I’m not unfamiliar with this topic.

          • purplerockandy

            Is it a Canadian company with American acquisitions, or vice versa?

          • Hornacek

            It’s a Japanese company with branches all over the world, who provides employees for American clients.

          • purplerockandy

            So that’s probably the issue. The Japanese company doesn’t understand the American norm of the bonus day off.

          • Hornacek

            Owners/head offices in Japan have very little to do with the management of the company. We actually used to be a separate company until the Japanese company bought 8 companies some years ago, one of which was us. Hardly any differerences

            We even get the following Monday off work when Remembrance Day is on a weekend. I have worked at many smaller IT firms where that was not the case, since RD is not a federal statutory holiday.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Did I say it was an official holiday? Being an official holiday doesn’t have as much correlation with getting the day off as you might think. I haven’t had Veteran’s Day or Martin Luther King Day off since I graduated.

  • Hornacek

    “Desi will not keep her streak alive.”

    One win is not a streak, Jeff.

    • indescribable hat

      He’s a skosh excitable.

  • Judson Helland

    My fantasy team may be falling apart but at least it keeps getting shout outs!!!

  • Hornacek

    “This one’s for you, Jessica! Who I have not mentioned since you got voted out.”

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Are they vote-splitting 4-3 against 4 healers?

    • wonderand

      As Cole very cogently (!!) predicted, yes? What’s going on?

      • Cole is smart today, Blake Shelton is the world’s sexiest person, in Rand McNally hamburgers eat people

    • No, they are voting 4-2 against four Healers. (Lauren’s advantage)

  • Taako From Teevhii

    SPY SHACK JR!!!

    • the sky is falling

      My man!

      • Judson Helland

        High five!

    • Sniper Shack. Oorah.

      • I just want to point out that I mockingly typed “Oorah” before the swearing-on-Marines fight. I’m not a TOTAL asshole, just mostly.

  • Hornacek

    Ben in a spy shack!

  • Hornacek

    Ben shouldn’t wear his cowboy hat when hiding in the bushes to eavesdrop.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      It’s disrespectful to the flag!

  • Marlin M.

    I really don’t like Ben.

    • the sky is falling

      Why?

      • Marlin M.

        His power is getting to his head.

        • the sky is falling

          Yeah, he started humble, but he is a little cocky this episode

    • Hornacek

      He seemed personally offended when Cole was digging for the idol. Like, “How dare a player who knows they’re in trouble look for an idol?”

  • sharculese

    Joe can’t get loud too.

  • Hornacek

    Is ” I swear on my marines.” a thing people say?

    • sharculese

      I’ve sworn on my GI Joes before, if that counts.

      • Hornacek

        “Now I know.”

        • Dubious Rob

          And knowing is half the battle.

    • It is thing that marines say according to NCIS. And that is my only experience with the Marines being a white guy from New Jersey.

      • Hornacek

        Don’t make me smack you on the back of your head.

        • If you are sneak up on me like that I will have to put bells on you.

  • Ben is meant to be the fan favorite of the season. Ben is also going home in about fifteen minutes.

    • the sky is falling

      If he goes gome , it’s a surprise

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Why has actuary Chrissy not fixed this faulty vote split yet?

    • My thoughts exactly.

    • indescribable hat

      To annoy me.

    • purplerockandy

      Because she knows where the idol actually is and thus does not give a fuck.

      • Other Scott

        Isn’t that even more reason for her to not want a split? Unnecessary vote splits are sorta risky

        • purplerockandy

          Oh, I’m not saying her DGAFness is a POSITIVE. I just think it’s the sort of thing that makes people focus less on the details of the game. Sarah talked about it last season that the tribal she was least prepared for was the one she knew she was protected at.

    • Crappy

      It was stupid and I was tearing my hair out over the split vote conundrum.. they did not have the numbers to split the vote to begin with and should have never gone that route.

    • Because it means they get to vote another woman out of the game.

  • Hornacek

    Why does Lauren have to use her advantage Now? Use it at the next tribal.

    • Because it is a risk based reward. It has a one tribal time use to take the vote away.

      • Hornacek

        Did it say that it HAD to be used at the very next tribal? If so I missed that part. But based on this season’s advantages that would make sense.

        • From the way Lauren read it, yes it had played tonight.

    • indescribable hat

      Can she? I’m not clear on how it works.

  • Marlin M.

    What’s Lauren advantage?

    • sharculese

      I’m not sure, she spent five minutes reading that scroll and I kinda zoned out.

      • Marlin M.

        Hahah me too

        • the sky is falling

          She can not vote this episode and have an extra vote in next episode

          • purplerockandy

            Have an extra vote in a future episode. Not necessarily next week.

          • Hornacek

            Do we know when her extra vote expires? If she’s in the last tribal before the FTC, can she use it then? Even HIIs expire at the final five.

          • the sky is falling

            oh, any episode? that’s an important distinction. missed that detail.

          • purplerockandy

            Sounds like it’s until final six.

    • Streets_Ahead

      If she puts the advantage parchment in the urn and rather than voting takes her voting parchment back to camp she can use that parchment for an extra vote at a future tribal council.

  • Hornacek

    Dr. Mike thinks they’ll vote out him before Desi? Oh, Dr. Mike …

    • I think he thinks that Chrissy will recognize his intelligence as a threat.

      • Yet not as threatening as Chrissy finds vaginas.

        • He hasn’t realized that yet.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Though if Dr. Mike is a “downstairs doctor,” does that get him brownie points with Chrissy?

        • Prom King

          Chrissy voted for Joe twice.

  • Marlin M.

    Do you guys like Chrissy?

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Just wait until Anderson gets here.

      • Do you mean me?

        • Taako From Teevhii

          No, I mean Andy.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        His name is Andbert.

    • the sky is falling

      Not like, but I see her making it to the end

      • Marlin M.

        I unfortunately see Ryan making it to the end too.

        • the sky is falling

          Ugh, I hope not

    • indescribable hat

      I am simulating liking Chrissy in the absence of genuine warm feelings toward any of these people.

      • the sky is falling

        Get on the Mike train, man

        • indescribable hat

          I want to root for a winner! I do kind of like him though. And Lauren actually.

    • Prom King

      YES!

    • purplerockandy

      Best player out there.

      Low bar.

      • Other Scott

        I’m still going to argue Mike as the best player – but there’s not enough evidence to say either way

    • gouis

      OK player, but I am starting to think she’s a detestable person

  • Random question, why is JP in the front instead of Ryan?

    • hotter

    • sharculese

      They tried to explain to JP where he was supposed to sit but eventually just gave up.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      They didn’t realize he was there.

  • Streets_Ahead

    Devon is a bright and beautiful light

    • +10 fantasy points

      • the sky is falling

        Bargain basement woo, but I will take it

        • Mike Hirsch

          Woo is already bargain basement Woo.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            His last replacement was even worse.

          • Other Scott

            This is a bad opinion

    • Hornacek

      Calm down, John.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I am so very confused by this vote.

    • the sky is falling

      Exciting, but shenanigans on producers

  • Hornacek

    Jeff *really* misses his talk show.

    • Crappy

      The whole bit by him in the end was embarrassing.

  • Marlin M.

    This is going to be a pagonging, isn’t it?

    • Streets_Ahead

      Close to it but I think Mike at least sneaks past some people such as JP.

      • the sky is falling

        Mike will be last to be pagonged if so

        • His complete and utter capitulation will be rewarded.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    dammit Dammit DAMMIT NO

    • Taako From Teevhii

      This is bad for fantasy (tho I had already lost), but why do you not take out Joe when you ARE GUARANTEED SUCCESS IF YOU GO FOR IT?!?!

      • Yeah I’m super confused why you don’t 8-0 Joe out of the game once your re-vote gambit pays off.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          I can imagine a “he’s close to drawing dead” argument, but there are at least four other goats on that island who won’t rock the boat nearly as much as Joe would/will.

          • Exactly. Desi is obviously playing harder than we’re seeing on TV, but not nearly as hard or as abrasively as Joe is. And she’s clearly no more of an immunity threat than others are.

        • gouis

          Because Desi is a strong woman and must be eliminated at all costs.

        • sharculese

          Everyone thinks they can beat Joe.

        • Hornacek

          The funny thing is that, according to the Survivor Wiki, on the re-vote, everyone voted for Desi except Ben who voted for Joe out of … spite? Yeah sure, spite.

      • the sky is falling

        It’s good for my fantasy team 😜

      • Because Ben is the wild card and he won’t work with Joe and Cole while he might with Desi. Because that the only reason I can think of.

        • Because Devon is a beautiful light, and Joe let him have first go at the spaghetti for his birthday.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        So many baffling decisions tonight.

  • gouis

    GEE I WHY DID THAT SIDE VOTE DESI OVER JOE. I WONDER WHO IS IN CHARGE OVER THERE

  • the sky is falling

    So, a lot of action, but ultimately predictable vote

  • Hornacek

    Oh No! Everyone saw what Lauren did with her vote and scroll … Oh wait nobody did.

  • Streets_Ahead

    Poor Desi what a crappy edit for her. She hardly even spoke in her own boot episode.

    • Wouldn’t want women to start thinking they matter or anything.

  • Good news for the strong Desi contingent here, she is going to be looking fly on the jury bench every episode. +100 fantasy points

    • wonderand

      Since this means she doesn’t get to play but people get to spend every week making comments about how they’re not going to make gross comments about her, it might be the worst possible outcome? :-/

      • I mean, I try to keep a level playing field by making gross comments about all the guys. You’re welcome.

        • wonderand

          (I deleted my comment because it was TOO passive-aggressive, but to this I’ll say: it’s appreciated? And I guess the bright side is we might run out of women altogether soon*? 2017!)

          *I doubt this; but I don’t believe it’s impossible.

  • Marlin M.

    Cole or Joe next episode. How shocking!

  • Hornacek

    4 people get votes? Is this Borneo?

  • Hornacek

    Was the vote for Lauren her vote? I’m confused.

  • sharculese

    Guys, I scooped Redmond with this leaked list of planned themes for future seasons.

    Survivor: Horse Island
    Survivor: Dads vs. Grads
    Survivor: Milfs vs. Dilfs
    Survivor: Florida
    Survivor: Horse Island II – Orb is Horse
    Survivor: Kid Nation
    Survivor: Gangstas vs. Grandmas
    Survivor: Pen Island
    Survivor: Advent Children
    Survivor: Crisis Core
    Survivor: Dream Drop Distance
    Survivor: Guns Don’t Kill People, Jeff Probst Kills People
    The Survivor Porn Parody
    Survivor: Rupert’s Fifth Chance
    Survivor: Oops all Hantzes
    Survivor: Mars
    Survivor: Fuck It, We’ll do it Live

    • the sky is falling

      No Survivor:Boat stuff?

      • sharculese

        FUCK

        • the sky is falling

          Otherwise, epic commenting

    • Streets_Ahead

      I don’t believe it not nearly enough verses in there.

    • Come on you forgot to list Survivor: 358/2 Contestants

      • sharculese

        Rule of 3s. And I wasn’t not using Advent Children and Crisis Core.

        • I barely understand that reference.

          • It from the video game franchise that combine Mickey with JRPG characters. Big in the mid 2000’s.

          • Epic Mickey?

          • Good guess, but no it is the other one.

          • Xenoblade Chronicles?

          • If you were going to keep the joke the correct response would have Mickey’s Hide and Go Seek for the GameCube.

          • Wait, there are no Mickey characters in Xenoblade Chronicles?

          • I don’t think so, but Clara from Doctor Who voices a character in the game.

          • Diego Armando

            You can make Shulk wear body oil for a top though, which somehow has more defense than some of his armor.

          • This..sounds weirdly appealing.

          • Diego Armando

            That’s what I have him in.

          • Diego Armando

            Wrong system.

        • But 358/2 is such a stupid name for such a stupid game.

          • sharculese

            But Dream Drop Distance is so ludicrous yet so fun to say.

      • Diego Armando

        Or Final Chapter Prologue.

    • gouis

      Not enough Rupert.

    • Judson Helland

      Definitely down for gangstas versus grandmas

      • Alycia Swift

        Especially if it’s the gangstas’ own grandmas.

    • Kingoftonga

      Don’t get my hopes up about the return of Kid Nation.

    • indescribable hat

      Kid Nation! Man. Ideally that would be the original cast of Kid Nation​playing Survivor.

      • purplerockandy

        Taylor is the new Abi.

        • Sophia is the new Courtney Yates.

          • indescribable hat

            Or is she the new Sophie?

          • purplerockandy

            Ryan is basically a grown-up Jared.

    • Diego Armando

      Was that an Abject Suffering reference?

      • sharculese

        I don’t know what that is, so no. Which one are you looking at?

        • Diego Armando

          The Horse Island thing.

          • sharculese

            No, it’s there to set up Horse Island II – Orb is Horse, which is a MBMBaM reference.

          • Diego Armando

            Which is where I think the thing I was referencing got it.

    • forever1267

      Kid Nation Shout Out!!!

  • Sylvisual

    Congratulations, Survivor, on your all-white final 10. How very 2017 of you.

    • the sky is falling

      Joe is latino

      • Sylvisual

        Yeah, I was debating that. Still stand by the joke.

        • Also Devon?

          • Sylvisual

            I did zero research on this season. Thought Joe was Italian and Devon was Adonisan.

          • gouis

            JOE ITALIAN?!!?!!? Where you do you live Mark!

          • Sylvisual

            In a public school system that taught me what a question mark is. 😉

          • gouis

            You live in a public school system?

          • Sylvisual

            I’ve lived in a locker ever since seventh grade.

          • gouis

            I’m just gonna go with the “midwest” as you don’t know the difference between Italians and Dominicans.

          • Hey now.

          • purplerockandy

            You’re just gonna go with “midwest” as that’s your go to insult this week.

          • gouis

            Yes

          • indescribable hat

            Do you need us to bring you some snacks? Maybe a nice napkin of spaghetti?

        • the sky is falling

          Fine

        • Purple Rock Emma

          All my favorite jokes are incorrect.

      • Hornacek

        Waiting for someone on the show to call Joe “the Peruvian Tony”.

  • Hornacek

    No there’s only 10 votes. People should be going nuts here! Or is my math wrong?

  • Blurry Denzel

    At least I’ll get Desi on the jury.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    So are people going to realize that only 10 votes were cast at that tribal?

    • Apparently…not? Yet?

    • indescribable hat

      Joe looked like he was counting, but he may have just counted to two.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I saw that too, and I kept waiting for the penny to drop during the revote process.

  • Hornacek

    Wait, Lauren doesn’t vote on the re-vote either?

    • Nope. It’s not fair for her to vote on the revote when she clearly didn’t vote in the first vote.

    • jniedj

      Since she had to go fake vote again, she should have been able to keep her second parchment as well for a future vote.

      • Other Scott

        LOL she should have kept it for a revote in case it comes up on the vote she uses the extra vote.

  • Hornacek

    At least Desi got a great boot episode … oh, never mind.

    • Sylvisual

      Yes, she did get a great boob episode. Oh wait…

      • the sky is falling

        They focused on her ass, she got an ass episode, not a boot episode

    • Ben got Desi’s great boot episode.

      • Probably via executive order.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        JP got Roark’s. Devin will probably get Ashley’s if she doesn’t make it I the end.

        • purplerockandy

          Ali’s, not Roark’s. Roark actually got Roark’s.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Oh that’s right. I just assumed they never wanted to give Roark air time.

    • Maritimer

      I really did not think she was going because, yeah, that was a Wigglesworth boot episode edit

      • I suspected it when we got so much of Probst praising her during the challenge.

        • Maritimer

          Crossed my mind then, but then she only got the one confessional post challenge, I thought she was fine. Also because, as said, there is no good reason for it not to be Joe

          • I figured that they had to give her a goodbye confessional. Call it the Wiglesworth principle.

          • Maritimer

            She certainly needed at least one (if she went home without a confessional people would riot) but I really thought she’d get a more present boot episode

          • Hahahahaha.

          • Maritimer

            Yeah, that was silly of me. I can’t wait until the episode JP gets sent home without ever speaking (totally kidding, I know it won’t happen)

      • NearlyNina

        When she was all I’m gonna win back that idol and kinda sauntered back to the line-up before the challenge is when I got a bad feeling.

        • Maritimer

          I clearly missed the editing cues this episode because that didn’t set me off at all, it seemed pretty standard for the person returning the necklace

  • I think we are going to get the downfall of Ryan and Devon.

  • Marlin M.

    This season is not doing it for me.

  • Well, at least Ryan’s pants finally got some action.

  • Hornacek

    Sad Desi makes me sad.

    • Yeah, that was rough. She was too nice for this world, I guess.

      • the sky is falling

        She falls firmly in category of players who didn’t get a fair chance for me

        • I just think she might not be great TV, or at least what reality TV hopes for.

          • Hornacek

            Wait for Andy to eulogize her on the podcast.

          • Diego Armando

            I’m guessing the phrase “I told you Desi didn’t matter” will be said.

        • Kingoftonga

          Her big mistake was tying her game so closely to Joe’s, but because of the swaps she didn’t really have a better option.

        • Crappy

          Fair chance in what way? She has as much a fair chance as anyone out there.

          • the sky is falling

            well, fair chance is wrong way to put it I guess. I think what I really meant to say is I wouldn’t mind seeing her play again. She didn’t get enough screentime to really know

          • Crappy

            I am with Andy on this, she didn’t get enough screen time because she was boring as F with nothing interesting to say and had little gameplay to show as well.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I think that’s a little harsh. If she had gone further in the game she surely would have been edited differently. As it was, she only went to tribal once in the pre-merge and got booted before they got to single digits. On top of that she was arguably twist-screwed. That’s exactly the type of player who’s likely to get short-changed in the edit.

          • Hornacek

            She is a beautiful woman that made it to the jury. If she had anything interesting to say we would have seen many more confessionals from her.

          • Crappy

            Don’t agree there is enough evidence to suggest that editors don’t give screen time just because of your placement. Troyzan was hilariously under-edited for a F3 finish with an idol play in there to boot, even Aubry last season got zilch despite going in as a fan fav of sorts and finishing 5th. Before that you have examples of Sunday in S33 getting little air time despite finishing higher than Desi did this time.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            It’s not an iron-clad rule or anything, but giving certain people tons of screen time necessarily means taking it away from others, and people who don’t make a big splash in the pre-merge and aren’t around at the end are the logical people to short-change. That 2nd-3rd boot after the merge tends (again, not iron clad) to be a Bermuda Triangle that traps people like Frosti, Kelly Sharbaugh, Michael Jefferson, Artis, Chris Hammond, etc.

            And Troyzan and Aubry’s edits in GC is an underreported reason that season was bad. Purpling anybody who makes the finale is just Survivor malpractice.

          • Crappy

            I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. I agree than there is no set rule in survivor but in general they are very unlikely to under-edit a player who is giving them gold in confessionals. Someone like Nick was under-edited in pre-merge in KR due to avoiding tribals but then got loads of air time in the 2 episodes after merge. Desi could have gotten the same this time but she didn’t. For me that is because she stuck me as someone who could not find her feet in the game in anyway. It can happen, you can be an interesting dynamic person IRL but fizzle out in a starkly different environment.

  • Ben’s edit: heroic or insufferable? Or either, depending upon your bubble? Discuss.

    • gouis

      I liked it before today, I thought it was going to be a confrontation of the horrors of war. But instead it’s just MARINES ARE THE BEST HOW DARE YOU

      • Which is kind of why I’m thinking…they’re trying to play it both ways, based upon our national divide? Or am I way too cynical?

        • the sky is falling

          Wasn’t the show edited before the election tho?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            There was a deep divide before the election.

          • Also, as terrifying as this sounds, the election was literally more than a full year ago.

          • the sky is falling

            Hey, worst case, 7 more years. Coolio is running for president with a porn actress, so it’s all good

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I’m being pedantic, but the actual worse case is that the rule of law gets upended and we realize that we’ve effectively established a kleptocratic monarchy.

          • Which will absolutely lead to a civil war or revolution because the majority does not support that. That’s why I’m taking not one, but TWO vacations next year.

          • the sky is falling

            Nah, things are bad now, but next election will move back to sanity. trump is like Vader, who brings balance to the force by destroying the Jedi

          • indescribable hat

            Oh my god stop. One day at a time.

          • the sky is falling

            It’s happening. Gamgstas paradise president, haha

          • the sky is falling

            Not as much as now. Our piece of shit president has encouraged it. I will take any opportunity to say fuck him

          • Streets_Ahead

            No it filmed in the spring and would have been edited this past summer well after the election. Why are you reminding us about the election it still makes me so sad.

          • the sky is falling

            I like it. It’s a wake up call. We need to fucking vote in our elections. It’s pathetic they we are at about a 50% percentage of available voters

          • indescribable hat

            It’s pathetic but it’s also voter suppression! Things are terrible in so many ways.

          • the sky is falling

            Chill, as long as trump doesn’t star a nuclear war, we will be fine. bad president will wake us up

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I have to push back on this now. The “we” in “we will be fine” are the people who have had it be fine for a longer while. For non-marginalized populations, yeah, sure, things might go back to normal for you. But real damages are being done by this administration to female, Black, Latinx, Muslim, gay, trans communities, and many more. And outside of that, Trump has incredibly demolished America’s international standing in trade and global politics. There are solutions for some of these things, but not without a lot of damage being done to a lot of folks before hand. There are some bell you can’t unring and some plates you can’t unsmash.

            And don’t say “chill” when someone brings up the very real problem of voter suppression. Not only is it significant in its reality, but even the idea of it flies in the face of American ideals.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I wish I could like this more. I went on a big rant on Facebook after the election when someone shared some post by the Dirty Jobs guy that said “we’ve survived the last 44 presidents, we’ll survive this one.” Tell that to the thousands who died while Reagan ignored the AIDS crisis, mother fucker. Not to mention all the other wars and genocide and more under other presidents, but I just have a grudge against Reagan.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Also not chill: Trump appointing Supreme Court justices.

          • Hornacek

            Or a Federal (?) judge who has never tried (judged?) a case before to a lifetime appointment.

          • indescribable hat

            I am being pretty chill actually, or at least I was, but jfc bad president will have actual bad consequences.

          • Other Scott

            I’m thinking this is the post that really hurt your Value Over Replacement Poster

        • gouis

          You’re too cynical. It’s CBS, there is only way they can portray a soldier and it’s heroic. It’s our hangup that someone yelling about the importance of the marines grosses us out.

          • sharculese

            Counterpoint: Shamar

          • the sky is falling

            What a bitch

          • indescribable hat

            A white soldier?

          • sharculese

            Kyle.

          • indescribable hat

            I don’t like to remember him.

          • Diego Armando

            Aka Jason. The Redheaded guy who teamed up with Scot Pollard on Kaoh Rong.

          • indescribable hat

            No no, I don’t like to. Stop making me!

          • Hornacek

            The star of S.W.A.T.?

      • wonderand

        I choose to read a lot into the pivot from HOW DARE YOU at camp to “I have a lot of trauma related to my service and I’m continuing to deal with the ways it makes me react to feeling angry” at tribal, but even as I do it, the first moments of Seal Team play and I rush to turn off CBS’s actual opinions.

      • So you’re saying Sarah Huckabee Sanders would get a really good edit…

      • So you’re saying Sarah Huckabee Sanders would get a really good edit

    • the sky is falling

      He took a major turn to insufferable this time

    • Taako From Teevhii

      For me, he’s on the bubble. I could like him, but I could just as easily be quickly turned off. Fwiw, my thought exiting that whole Ben/Joe sequence was that Joe was disrespecting servicemen&women.

      • I also think it is the continuation of “Why Ben Loses”. In that past couple of episodes, Ben has shown that if he doesn’t like you, then there is no coming back from that.

        • purplerockandy

          But… he won’t vote you out.

          • Right…I don’t know where to go from there.

          • Hornacek

            Ben was the only one that voted for Joe on the re-vote. Spite?

          • purplerockandy

            I’ve heard it was Chrissy that voted Joe.

          • Hornacek

            I’m just going by what’s on the Survivor Wiki, but that could be wrong.

          • purplerockandy

            I see that too. Ben makes more sense though.

      • Alycia Swift

        This.

      • Yeah, I think Ben legitimately got very upset, because for Joe it’s just ‘swearing on the Marines’, but for Ben it’s the accusation that he’d swear on the memory of his dead friends, basically. For him, it’s like someone saying that you’re going around swearing on the grave of your dead loved one.

        Unfortunately, I think he was also too upset to articulate that very clearly.

    • Marlin M.

      Insufferable, can’t wait to see him voted out.

    • Every time I think he’s become insufferable he does that thing where he seems like he’s about to weep and I turn around on it again.

    • Kingoftonga

      By apologizing at tribal (or at least attempting to), he seemed to acknowledge that his earlier “I’m a MARINE!” tantrum was not a good look.

    • Heroic because you have to remember CBS biggest show is still NCIS.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Middling. He’s got ups and downs.

      • the sky is falling

        Is mike the only decent guy left? I guess it’s Mike and devon

        • Mike Hirsch

          Do you mean “they seem nice”? I guess so.

          • Devon is a beautiful light and don’t you forget it.

          • Mike Hirsch

            He does seem almost too pure for this game.

          • Maybe Devon really is here to make friends.

          • Mike Hirsch

            That would be my gimmick if I tried to get on the show. “I really could use two or three new friends. I’m hoping I’ll meet them here.”

          • Maritimer

            Better than Ryan’s “I want to go on Survivor to get laid”

          • Mike Hirsch

            Anything should be better than that.

          • Hornacek

            Gabon’s Kenny got more action with Michelle in the first three days than Ryan will get all season.

          • Maritimer

            Especially since he is voting all the women out

          • Hornacek

            After the final woman is voted out, we need a scene with Ryan looking around the camp saying “Where are all the women at?”

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Sometimes I forget you weren’t all around during the AVC days. That was John’s gimmick, dammit! I mean Judge Reinhold.

          • sharculese

            When I was making jokes about him early on people thought I was calling him stupid, but no really, I think subterfuge and deception are just not settings he has.

          • Bring me those sweet underground league points.

          • sharculese

            Oh, god, I have to actually count those up at some point. It’s probably gonna be a binge the week before the finale. I picked the wrong season to build a game around examples of people being compelling tv.

          • Hornacek

            Calm down, John.

    • Maritimer

      I’m finding him insufferable but I’m pretty sure that’s not how the show wants me to feel

  • Kingoftonga

    So why did Cole vote for Joe? Was he approached by the heroes/hustlers, pulled along by Mike, or just made a wild stab to try and find a lifeboat from his sinking alliance?

    • Yeah, I want to see more justification of the non-Joe healer votes. I know Desi wasn’t on the beach for the Healer Powwow, but this is really shitty editing besides “she turned her back on us”.

    • gouis

      Mike clued him in and they’re trying to make inroads. But that’s a bad move by Mike because everyone else HATES Cole

      • Kingoftonga

        Yeah, if I’m Mike I’m just going to team up with Ben and Lauren and ditch Cole as soon as possible. Especially because Ben is allergic to Cole.

        • In my head Mike clued Cole in because if only he flips it’s a betrayal, but if he and Cole both flip it’s just Yawa strong.

    • Start with the assumption that Cole has no loyalty to anyone but Cole and it starts to make sense pretty quickly.

  • Mike Hirsch

    I was under the impression Lauren had to play the advantage at that specific tribal council if she wanted to use it, although I can’t guarantee they explicitly said that.

    Next week will be fun when Chrissy’s alliance targets Lauren or Ashley for *coughcough* no real reason.

    • I have a weird feeling that Lauren is getting targeted next week because they wanted us to remember that she has 2 votes next tribal council in the NTOS.

      • Streets_Ahead

        It would fit in well with the history of advantages giving someone two votes.

      • “Next time: Lauren is ARMED AND DANGEROUS” I mean what is that, this season has been produced so strangely.

        • Also, she has decided to tell one person who will be looking to make amends.

    • the sky is falling

      I think it was this specific episode, as is their new challenge gimmick

    • Maritimer

      I took about 20 seconds during the reward challenge to get from “who the hell is that” to “oh right there’s still a person named Ashley here” when she was climbing the ladder so if she gets a single confessional next episode its her

      • Ashley has been getting content. The problem is she’s really bland.

        • Mike Hirsch

          You’re getting Ashley confused with JP.

          • Ashley has 15 confessionals. JP has 4.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Wow, that’s got to be close to an all-time low for a male player who has made it this far. Cowboy Rick and Samoa Bret are the only two I can think of as competition.

          • Cambodia Keith is pretty close to the total I would have to imagine, but that was also a 20 person cast.

          • Other Scott

            And Keith actually became a fairly big part of the season late on

          • Right. His confessional count goes up a bit with three episodes left in the season. At the 8th episode, Keith had 5 of his 17 confessionals. However, he didn’t attend tribal until the merge along with the aforementioned reasoning

          • At this point in Caramoan, Erik only had 5 of his 15 confessionals.The exact same can be said for Carter and Cowboy Rick.
            However, Brett takes the cake with a whopping 3 confessionals in the first 8 episodes. However, you have to remember that Samoa is a 20 person cast. Samoa is also notorious for the Russell-skewed edit. Finally Brett was also on a winning tribe who only went to tribal before the merge once.

        • Maritimer

          I clearly don’t remember any of it since like the Alan boot and her and Devon’s alliance (which may still have payoff I guess)

          • She got to narrate the Levu suffering sequence last week.

          • Maritimer

            Nope, not a memory of that at all. I thought it was Devon. Mind you, I was half in the bag when I watched last weeks episode

          • Hornacek

            You really are Canadian!

  • Featured comment this week is going to the person that describes Devon’s greatest moment in this episode. Good luck picking just one, though.

    • Mike Hirsch

      There’s no way to top Devon just being Devon, in all his Devonness. This is a fool’s errand, John.

      • Well that’s why I assigned the errand to you fools.

      • Dubious Rob

        Devon’s “beautiful light” speech at the end of tribal certainly had an effect on Probst. Probst was so gaga over his newfound man-crush that his soul transcended his body, and when it came back, he described a tribal council from an alternate dimension.

    • Kingoftonga

      Devon did not immediately drink the whole bottle of wine after sitting down for spaghetti. I would have; no one else was expecting it to be there and it wouldn’t have been missed.

      • the sky is falling

        No shit, drink it down and throw the bottle in the sea

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        It was mentioned, but I’d have done it anyhow. And left the bottle behind so that it could be recycled. #Hero

      • Maritimer

        Right? Just polish off the bottle and hide it

      • Hornacek

        Drink however much wine you want, then pour the rest onto the ground.

    • sharculese

      He heroically counted to six and then identified the proper fraction.

      He healed his wounded tummy with delicious pasghetti.

      Then he hustled to be like “I dunno, shit’s wild man,” during the idol royale.

      • Told you it’s difficult to pick just one.

    • the sky is falling

      devons greatest moment was when he created the Spies R Us alliance and voted out Boston Rob

    • Scarlett3639

      In the immunity challenge, he fell off that balance beam like a winner. He had style, he had grace, he had the eye of the tiger.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Vogue.

        • Scarlett3639

          Jessi, Desi, we miss you
          Lauren’s got an attitude
          Cole is a great big boob
          Survivors ready, let’s get to it
          Make a fire, there’s nothing to it

      • I feel like that last sentence conflated two very different songs.

        • Scarlett3639

          Devon’s greatness can’t be described with only one song.

          • sharculese

            I mean, it can, but the song is Wonderwall being played in the quad by some guy you’re not sure owns a shirt.

          • Well, “Call Me Maybe.”

    • Devon wisely realizing there is advantage hidden in somewhere in the reward decided to not to even look for it. He put his faith in Ryan to find the clue and idol realizing that he could avoid pissing four Healer jury like Chrissy did. He also had the wisdom to not he eat preventing himself for going out same way as former great Survivors like Joe from Kaoh Rong, Bruce from Panama, and Jerry from Tocantins. Devon eat a correct portion of food to be able to stay in the game.

    • Maritimer

      The glowing music during Devon’s tribal council speech certainly had me thinking EDGIC-y there for a minute about musical cues

      • By The Numbers

        It would actually be pretty satisfying if he Fabio’d his way to the end

        • Maritimer

          I like to think Devon could pull off a strategic move en route. Betraying Ryan would be ideal

    • I already did it below. I’ll accept my reward in the form of pizza.

      • Hornacek

        Your only choices are Survivor Pizza or Papa John’s.

        • Prom King

          Let’s make it Papa John’s served by Papa Bear.

          • Hornacek

            This seems to be the #WeekOfPapaBear. He was on last week’s People show with Andrea, got mentioned multiple times in the RHAP recap episode (with Andrea as the guest), and now he’s hypothetically delivering Nazi-affiliated pizza.

    • Dubious Rob

      Devon’s “beautiful light” speech at the end of tribal certainly had…an effect on Probst, let’s say.

      • sharculese

        Like a wiener effect?

        • Dubious Rob

          The wiener of Jeff’s heart.

          And also the wiener of his wiener.

      • Prom King

        Probst was especially embarrassing at tribal council, I had to look away.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Devon didn’t take up too much valuable Survivor time this week. That was good.

    • The bit where he wandered in the desert for 40 nights and then fed the hungry masses with just two loaves and a giant plate of spaghetti, and expelled all the money changers from the temple and then said ‘woah’.

      • I said pick one!

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Squabbling for the featured comment is a behavior that is beneath all of us, and Devon would never stoop so low as to try to egg us on to such a fight. His edit tonight showed that.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        You have some brown on your nose there, fella.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Isn’t it your job to brown nose people and carry their bags?

          • Fight fight fight! Now swear on bellhops!

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I WOULD NEVER SWEAR ON BELLHOPS!

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I will not fight Palsy because I *leans backwards, and glances in both directions* like him as a person, but also because I don’t trust a bellhop to fight a clean and fair fight.

          • Hornacek

            Just show him pictures of the Littlest Hobo and watch him curl into a ball, sobbing.

        • sharculese

          It’s not poop, it’s definitely just dirt.

          • Hornacek

            Just don’t wash it in the same bowl we make our food in.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      An actual “greatest moment” from this episode: Devon’s style of play–just being an all around class act! His beautiful FTC speech shows that he isn’t content to be like other Survivor players. He’s not gonna be like the lesser peole that just wander from one alliance to another, just helping to vote a person out before moving on to the next week’s alliance like a drifter or a vagabond. No, he’s gonna be a source of hope instead! Devon’s style of play doesn’t move to the beat of that drum. It truely does take different strokes to be a sole Survivor! Go get ’em, Devon!

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I feel like I’m reliving #SummerOfTroyzan all over again.

        Wait, that’s not right. This is becoming #CaucasianWooTwo.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          I know nothing about the aforementioned hashtag.

        • sharculese

          Now is the winter of our Devontent made summer by the son of Roark.

        • #Twoo

        • Other Scott

          Devon is a good Woo comparison – though Woo was A LOT more fun

      • sharculese

        Devon doesn’t march to the beat of any drums. If there are drums, it’s a bunch of people in a circle and he’s just feelin’ the groove, man.

      • One could even say that in this episode, a man was born. And perhaps, someday soon, he’ll be a man of means.

    • Diego Armando

      Him vowing to take a fair share and eating a quarter of the pasta. Or him doing the weird eyeball thing at tribal.

  • By The Numbers

    Oh my god a woman went home for no real reason at all, I’m shocked!
    Honestly though, how did they make that decision? Joe really should have gone home tonight.

    And are we heading towards the most boring FTC of all time? First because I don’t want anyone to win this season (except Mike), and second because Desi, Cole, and JP might be the three blandest people of all time. An open dialogue between those three is a horrific possibility

    • the sky is falling

      The bias against women is real, don’t get me wrong, but Desi has been invisible this season, it’s no surprise. No problem with that boot except that it wasn’t JP

      • By The Numbers

        Yeah I’m not surprised, I just don’t understand the logic behind the decision

        • the sky is falling

          Ok, I thought you were coming at it from a social justice angle. Yes, from a strategy angle, that was a moronic vote. Desi is a perfect goat

          • By The Numbers

            The only reason would be that she is an immunity threat or whatever, but Cole, JP, Devon, Chrissy (seemingly good at puzzles), and Ben are all still there so the odds of anyone going on a run are pretty low

          • the sky is falling

            Yeah, had she won 2 in a row I’d consider her a threat, but otherwise, I’d want Desi on my side

          • StormofCuteness

            Dr. Mike is probably the best at puzzles.

          • indescribable hat

            How does the edit have any effect on whether it was a biased decision in the game? And of course bias also affects the editing itself…

          • the sky is falling

            Perhaps it’s an unconscious bias, but I personally don’t get the feeling that folks were voted out based on race or gender this season. that’s not always the case

          • indescribable hat

            Do you have any sense at all of why Desi was voted out over Joe?

    • Streets_Ahead

      How this was edited was disappointing and it didn’t make much sense as a viewer but Im sure there was a reason Desi went home (I’m guessing challenge threat was at least part of the reason). I don’t blame the players though I blame the producers/editors for not showing us the reason.

      • the sky is falling

        Winning one challenge doesn’t make you a threat

        • Streets_Ahead

          No but it is a reason to vote someone out. A person doesn’t need to win any for them to be considered a threat. Also there was a comment in the episode about her being mentally strong. Either way there was a reason but they choose not to show us presumably so it was a “surprise”. Personally I wish they showed us why.

          • the sky is falling

            That’s all that I take issue with, I hate when the show blindsides the audience, there was no indication that Desi was a target

          • Maritimer

            I don’t mind when they blindside us once in awhile, when it works and has a big impact. Desi leaving does not have a big impact, since we barely knew who she was

          • StormofCuteness

            Ding, ding, ding! It’s infuriating that we got to know nothing about her.

          • Max_Jets

            I usually prefer a bit more content too, but I can understand why she was edited this way. This season had 4 smart, likable women go home one after another – Roark, Ali, Jessica, Desi – and they chose to build up 2 of them, who are both likely candidates for another second chance season. I think if they had built all of them up, the general audience would not be very happy with the direction of the season.

          • StormofCuteness

            Oof, that just makes me sad.

          • Max_Jets

            Ha, sorry! Hopefully you’ll feel better when the Jessica and Alan power duo run the game on their returnee season.

          • StormofCuteness

            Well, a gal can dream. I really thought the women were going to be so strong this season and now we’re down to Chrissy, Ashley, and Lauren. I have really taken to Lauren, but I totally thought she’d be out in the 1st 3 boots.

          • Max_Jets

            I feel the same. I’m still TBD on Chrissy, but Ashley is difficult to get excited about.

          • Prom King

            There were indicators: Ryan & Chrissy’s comments, Desi’s own comments, some of Probst’s comments at the challenge.

          • the sky is falling

            ok, yeah. this episode wasn’t the worst example of them hiding the vote from us

          • Diego Armando

            I think it was the challenge thing. It had to be a Healer. Mike is non-threatening and Ben and Lauren would likely object to his ousting. Cole was immune. That left Desi and Joe. Joe doesn’t have an idol (Chrissy and Ryan know this) and has been bad at immunity. Desi seemed to be liked and is extremely athletic. She was a solid choice for elimination.

        • No, but doing well in challenges that everyone knows will continue to pop ie these early-merge endurance-a-thons is enough of a red flag for this crew.

  • the sky is falling

    shout out to the mini-spy shack. Tony rules, never forget

  • Maritimer

    So besides this being bad for a number of other reasons regarding sexism and racism this is also bad for an exciting season because so long as they leave both Cole and Joe there, I don’t know if the majority splits until at least one of them is gone, regardless of what NTOS wants us to think

    • Yeah, Cole is gone next week unless he wins immunity.

      • Maritimer

        That’s what I figure too. Ben really seems to hate him

    • the sky is falling

      I only disagree on the sexism front because a woman, Chrissy, was spearheading voting out the women

      • Maritimer

        Speaking more broadly in the sense of another woman being booted and the ratio among the remaining castaways than calling this specific vote sexist

      • Did y’all notice her dagger-glare at Desi while she was speaking at FTC? Was that just me?

        • Streets_Ahead

          It wasn’t you but it was editing.

          • Well, yes, but I’m pretty sure it was an unbroken shot, meaning it actually was happening.

      • indescribable hat

        Not saying it motivated this particular vote, but sexism is a part of our culture and women aren’t immune…

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        FWIW, Chrissy voted for Joe both times. In fact she was the only non-Desi vote on the remote.

        • Chrissy does not like Joe and did not like him from the merge feast onward.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            That didn’t stop Ben from voting for Desi both times.

          • But that was in line with his original split vote plan: men vote Desi, women vote Joe.

        • StormofCuteness

          How did you see the 2nd votes? Also, I did think Chrissy hated Joe. I mean she was really obvious about it at FTC. But yeah, it makes me feel a titch better that Chrissy wasn’t behind this crazy not voting out Joe decision.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Wikipedia, which we know is infallible. And actually the Survivor Wikia assigns the Joe vote on the revote to Ben, which makes more sense. The person who edited the Wikipedia said the Joe revote vote was in Chrissy’s handwriting.

          • StormofCuteness

            Hahahaha, oh, okay, that’s very clear then. 😂

      • StormofCuteness

        Wait, what? You think women can’t be sexist? Chrissy seems to actively feel she needs to be the only woman left to succeed and that is definitely sexist.

        • Crappy

          How do you know that Chrissy feels this way? Just because he has voted out women on a strategy based game to better her chances to win a million dollars? Only other evidence out there is exit interviews but I don’t think it is far to class someone as a sexist without even hearing them once on their plays of the season

          • StormofCuteness

            Exit interviews are evidence. Do you really think Chrissy would blatantly say “I’ve got to get rid of the women”? That’s rarely how women are sexist; it’s way more subtle and insidious than that. And it happens all the time.

          • Crappy

            So basically nothing Chrissy says can absolve her of sexist tag now simply because she dared to vote out 5 women in a row. Preposterous. It would be one thing if she ranted regarding women in a manner like Will did against Shirin but disparaging someone based on game play is immature.

          • StormofCuteness

            I take it you haven’t listened or read the exit interviews

          • Crappy

            I did and will copy what I wrote about it elsewhere….

            I was rooting for Ali and Jessica more than Chrissy but some of their comments in exit interviews were very sour..
            – Ali is not mad at Ryan, the person she knew from the start of the game and was actually responsible for tanking her game, but at Chrissy because she spun some lie about the hypothetical family visit to make Ali feel more comfortable and not look for idols… mmmmm
            – Jessica through “vibes” without meeting Chrissy and spending limited time with her over one day after merge, has her pin pointed as a woman hater because she is really good at detecting that stuff. Laughable.

            Now the stat of Chrissy voting out 4/4 woman does not look good, even if you can justify each and every boot, just like MvGX, when such a lop sided pattern emerges there is a good chance, there is some other underlying issue at play as well. Especially when you consider that Chrissy also chose to partner with Ben rather than Ashley, not to say she has a problem with latter but it safe to say she prefers to work with men over women.

            *** SPECULATION BASED ON EXIT INTERVIEWS**** There is also a chance that pre-jury trio of women are not just speaking from their experience but a collective one from others in jury and pre-jury. A lot of survivor boots will do that. MvGX jury folks piled on Hannah in their exit interviews since they knew she will continue to make questionable strategic moves which she will have trouble defending later on. Given how confident Jessica was at disparaging Chrissy’s social skills, I am afraid it looks very likely that she will be a FTC loser at best since she may be also be hinting at perception of players still left in the game.

          • StormofCuteness

            Also, this is offensive.

          • Crappy

            I don’t think immature is that bad a slur but I read about your cat, so I am gonna leave this be. Congrats on coming wedding.

          • Hornacek

            Exit interviews are months later when the player has seen the show. Their views in those interviews are inevitably influenced by what they saw on the show. If they interviewed Katrina, Ali, Desi right after they were voted out, their comments on Chrissy then might be a bit different than after their boot episode aired.

            (Desi should have a Ponderosa video which I haven’t seen so maybe she talks about Chrissy in that)

        • the sky is falling

          oh, i always thought sexism was usually just men. That makes sense

    • Prom King

      Keeping someone in simply because they are black and/or a woman isn’t exactly good though. And I doubt that voting out Desi has anything to do with either sexism or racism.

      I think Desi is one of the all-time most beautiful players on this show. However, as a character she was a flat line. The edit gave her nothing or maybe she gave nothing to the editors. Who knows. But on the exciting-story level, Joe remaining is definitely more interesting than Desi remaining. And I don’t even like Joe, I’m not about that life.

      • daft

        I felt sorry Desi didn’t get much of run gamewise, but it happens to some contestants, unless they a phenomenal social game its often hard to extract oneself from such invidious starting position to eventually being allied with Joe (by default). I suppose the shame is that Desi wasn’t more proactive socially to be such an easy vote – it’s not like she wasn’t well spoken and intelligent. 🙁

      • I’ll go into more detail about it on this week’s podcast, but I’m with you on this one. Desi was the right vote here.

      • Maritimer

        I worded my first post poorly. I’m not saying voting out Desi right here was sexist or racist in and of itself. It doesn’t necessarily make any of the players racist or sexist. It may even have been the right vote strategically. But the vote does further amplify Survivor’s race and gender problem, where we now have 7 men and 3 women left, and that of the 5 minority players starting the season, we are down to 1 less than halfway through the players

        • Prom King

          Ah! Well I’m on board with that then. Definitely highlights and amplifies.

  • Marlin M.

    Ben decides he just doesn’t like a person often.

    • Ben spent several days on a tribe with Lauren and grouchiness is apparently a communicable disease.

      • StormofCuteness

        Ugh, I do not agree with this characterization of Lauren. I really don’t. Did you see her secret scene from last week? How was she grouchy this week? She’s pragmatic and good at things plus she’s clearly endeared herself far more than most (including me) thought possible.

        Are you really calling her grouchy because she found Cole and Patrick annoying? If so, then add me to the “grouchy” list because they were incredibly annoying.

        Sorry, I’m venting at you, Reya. This has just become a personal pet peeve amongst this season’s stereotyping.

        • Andrew Joe Potter

          Lauren is definitely cast from the same mould as Denise from China (much as I would say Bryan is similar to Adam from that season). And you may recall that James Clement had a very soft spot for Denise the lunch lady that season. There is something comforting in a no-nonsense, blue collar mom who is less inclined to Machiavellian urges, a la Chrissy.

          Lauren has all the makings of the 5/6th-last boot.

          • sharculese

            Huh?

            Denise was all nonsense, all the time. She had tissue-thin skin and a transparent desire to be part of a group, which is what made her so easy for Todd and Amanda to control. She didn’t go deep because she was comforting, she went deep because she voluntarily gave up all her agency in the game.

          • Andrew Joe Potter

            Hmm… fair enough then. It’s been a decade or so since I watched China (misremembered Todd as “Adam”), so maybe I’m transferring some personality between the Denise and Lauren.

            Still, IIRC, James Clements’ affection toward Denise was not due to her lack of agency. There was something else at play there. He made one particularly out-of-left-field comment about how “if Denise was 10 years younger …”

          • sharculese

            James had a strong affection to Denise, but James wasn’t a particularly strong part of the decision making process when it came to eliminations.

          • StormofCuteness

            Bryan?

          • sharculese

            Also, how do you remember anything about Adam, the most non-essential part of China?

        • No worries, it’s fine for you to vent, and be annoyed at the stereotyping. Personally I’m stereotyping because I found Lauren’s dislike of Cole and Patrick entertaining and would enjoy more of it, and so it’s going to be a running joke this season for me, but you’re in no way obligated to find the same things funny that I do.

          Great Lauren moment this week: I was mildly peeved by the advantage clue in the bundle of nails thing last week, because it seemed so clearly producer-planned to go to one of the big buff guys. So hooray for Lauren turning THAT stereotype on its head and getting to it with the hammer.

          • Hornacek

            Future Survivor players – always randomly hammer nails into trees, it may lead to an advantage.

          • StormofCuteness

            Lauren’s advantage find made me super happy!

          • indescribable hat

            I am secretly hoping for Lauren to absolutely kill it in a challenge at some point. She’s so obviously got that “work strong” thing that has benefited men whose jobs involve physical labor in the past, but no one is worried about her because we love to conflate hot with athletic. Of course these things are unpredictable and we may not even get a super strength-y challenge, but I can hope.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Same, and I’m openly hoping for a challenge that plays to her strengths, like hoisting something heavy on a pulley, or the Bob Dawg memorial fish-chopping challenge (note: I don’t actually know what commercial fishermen do all day).

            While I’m at it, I’m so glad she found the advantage and not Cole. All he could have done with it is abandon ship on Jessica.

          • Hornacek

            Wait for the softball challenge for Lauren to shine.

        • indescribable hat

          Me too! I feel like “gruff” just isn’t a mode women are allowed to have. Then again I also found Sarah more compelling than most people. I guess I like tough women with a kind of flat, no-nonsense affect.

  • Mike Hirsch

    My favorite moment in the episode may have been when Ryan was digging for the idol and JP happened upon him, and JP obliviously just wanders past while Ryan is all awkward and suspiciously trying to be nonchalant, and JP just JPs his way on by like he’s the Cleveland Browns.

    • Pretty sure JP can only focus on any one thing at a time, and at that moment that thing was ‘walking’.

    • corndogshuffle

      I would have paid good money to be in the room with JP when he saw how Ryan got that HII.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        I imagine his face didn’t change.

        • corndogshuffle

          Now that I think of it I don’t think I’ve ever seen him make a facial expression.

    • I sort of wonder how JP even finds the fires.

      • Maritimer

        I assume he isn’t driving the trucks

      • sharculese

        Just as Cole is Dr. Drew, JP may the IRL Mark Orlando.

        • Mike Hirsch

          Goddamn I loved Burning Love.

    • Purplerockmatt

      JP’s comical ineptitude at everything, be it speaking, seeing, or moving is honestly starting to make me happy

    • Leave the Browns out of this.

      • gouis

        Yeah this is unfair to the Browns

    • daft

      Well, I particularly liked that the contrived *action idol search* moment got hijacked by high farce instead. 😀

    • In retrospect it’s mind blowing that Alan Ball thought THAT GUY found an idol.

  • Dubious Rob

    I really don’t understand why they voted out Desi on the revote. Were they really more worried about her than Joe? Did they see her as a bigger social threat? Challenge threat? We got maybe one line from Ryan about why targeting Desi was a good idea, but nothing more than that. After all the to-do about advantages and vote splits, this boot left me more confused than anything.

    • the sky is falling

      I have no idea, Joe is clearly more dangerous than Desi. There is no downside to voting out Joe

    • Streets_Ahead

      Even though Joe has much more attention and idols I think really Desi would be more dangerous. I think Joe’s personality might make him seem like he couldn’t win and might have trouble organizing a resistance. I think the only think Joe might be better at is finding idols, just his personality and find idols are more TV friendly so just by screen time/lack of explaining why they voted her makes it seem like he is the bigger threat/should have been voted out.

      • Maritimer

        Remember last time someone with Joe’s personality and ability to find idols couldn’t win? I wouldn’t think Chrissy and Ryan would set themselves on the road for that mistake (though I accept that Joe may be much more annoying at camp than Tony was)

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      No idea if this was part of their thinking, but if Ryan et al. are worried about Ben being unbeatable in the finals, keeping Joe around to provoke arguments might chip away at Ben’s heroic veneer somewhat?

    • Diego Armando

      I think it was Challenge threatiness

      • StormofCuteness

        Mentioned also by Chrissy “She’s soooo strong.”

      • daft

        We haven’t seen much of her admittedly onscreen, but she also seemed quite capable socially, she just didn’t get the rub from the off and ended up allied with Joe. But, you think they would have voted off Joe at the recount just for a couple of days of relative peace. 😛

    • Hornacek

      Desi was a much bigger threat than Joe. She is better in the challenges, and has a much better social game. While Joe was provoking an argument with Ben, she was in the shelter hanging out with everyone else. She had a much better chance of getting friendly with the majority alliance and finding a crack. Most of the majority alliance does not like Joe, and would not work with him later.

  • sharculese

    Btw, everyone, I figured out the correct answer to last week’s podcast question and it’s Guy’s American Kitchen.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Is this a bad time to say that by all accounts that I’ve heard, Guy Fieri is an all-around nice guy and decent chef?

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        I’ve heard that as well.

      • sharculese

        No. I’d hang out with Guy Fieri. He probably knows a really great place to get hot wings and we’d chill and talk about food. But Guy’s American Kitchen sounds dire.

    • Hornacek

      There was a question in last week’s podcast?

  • Maritimer

    Oh wow, I just realized Mike and Cole both voted for Joe, not Desi. There are going to be fireworks back at camp if he figures that out

    • Prom King

      Sounds like Mike and Cole are not about that life.

  • Diego Armando

    Well, the end result was baffling, but was the best possible ending for the viewers (in that we lost one of the least entertaining players).

    Also, Ryan’s heartbeat was terrifying. He should have eaten more spaghetti.

    • purplerockandy

      Or… that was the spaghetti was trying to escape.

  • Diego Armando

    Splitting votes here made no sense. Even discounting Lauren’s advantage (which I think needed to be played at this time in order to get it), the vote could have been 4 Joe, 4 Ben, 3 Desi and an idol could have taken out Ben. You are risking chaos for no reason Hustoes!

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    I actually made a point of watching all the vote reveals at the end for once, and it was super weird. During the revote, I couldn’t figure out the original Lauren vote for the life of me – before I tallied up all the votes, I thought for a second that the missing vote got counted as a Lauren vote to help conceal her advantage, but that would be really stupid.
    I liked that Mike voted for Joe. During TC my mind was attempting to go through the strategy implications of Mike’s options, and I think that voting for Joe gets him the most in the long run. Sure he could have probably organized the Healers to take out Ben (or whoever) but that side still ends up in the majority and then they’d be mad at him. This way he might be able to weasel his way into the alliance, and potentially even replace someone less obedient or beatable.
    The rest of the Healers’ votes (minus Joe’s obvious Ben vote) are confusing to me. Why didn’t they talk to each other and actually try to all vote for the same person?? I guess just because they’re all on the bottom doesn’t mean they actually want to work together… I feel like Desi’s vote may have just been a throwaway? And Cole’s vote was also weird. Was he trying to throw his vote on Joe to protect Desi? Or did Mike tip him off about siding with the majority?
    This was actually a pretty fun episode even though the actual result was predictable and the first half felt like they threw every new twist idea at the wall to see what would stick. Speaking of twists, I was very disappointed that the single large serving of spaghetti was not served in a trough.

    • Diego Armando

      I think it was Desi who voted Lauren. I think Mike and/or Cole may have told them they were flipping.

      • By The Numbers

        In her ponderosa video, Desi said the healers had discussed one person to vote for, so I guess that person was Lauren. The healers were a hot mess this episode though.

        • Remember that it was the Healer men on the beach after the IC. Desi was nowhere to be seen.

      • StormofCuteness

        I was annoyed that the edit clearly didn’t show us enough about Desi to know why the Healers lied to her and/or didn’t include her.

        Also, is it wrong that I suspect Chrissy is the reason for the after tie vote going to Desi? It makes no sense to me that it wasn’t Joe. Again, wtf happened that made it Desi?

        • Hornacek

          Desi was a bigger social and physical threat than Joe.

          • StormofCuteness

            Stop it. I am not the only one who felt this edit was really poor. I am not an idiot who simply didn’t grok the episode.

            Also, your comment had nothing to do with my statement which was about why the HEALERS lied to her.

          • Hornacek

            Sorry, I wasn’t trying to infer that you were an idiot. The other Healers obviously heard that Desi was the target. We saw Ben talking to Dr. Mike, and then Dr. Mike talking to Joe and Cole. If Dr. Mike and Cole hadn’t voted for Joe, Desi would have been voted out on the first vote.

          • StormofCuteness

            Again, you are talking to me like an idiot. My complaint was with the edit and the relationship we never ever saw. *glare*

          • Hornacek

            Sorry, that’s not my intention. You asked why the other Healers lied to Desi. I said it was because they knew the majority alliance was voting for her and they couldn’t save her, so they kept their mouths shut. Half of them turned on Joe, while Joe (and Desi) either voted randomly or didn’t know what was going on (Desi obviously didn’t).

            I don’t think that was me talking to you like an idiot, just explaining what I think happened.

          • StormofCuteness

            Sigh.

          • Hornacek

            Sorry. I’ll stop now.

      • Hornacek

        If Desi had just voted for Joe on the first vote, she’d still be in the game.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Joe’s “I didn’t flip on you, baby girl” when Desi was leaving suggests that they had a “never vote for each other” pact.

          • Hornacek

            True, but we already knew from their swap tribe that Desi was already considering flipping on Joe to save herself.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            True, and also it occurred to me after writing the above post that Joe was probably saying whatever he needed to to lower the odds of Desi bad-mouthing him at Ponderosa.

        • Diego Armando

          I think that speaks volumes about Desi’s game skills.

    • Mike Hirsch

      It seemed like after Ben got Mike on his side, Mike then went to Cole, as there was a shot of them by the well with Mike saying things, and Cole listening.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        You are a very astute viewer! I didn’t put that together, but I bet you’re right.

  • These Words

    I don’t like Ben, Chrissy, Ryan or Lauren. I like JP more than any of them. I actually like Joe, God help me. He really makes me root for him. I like how he has no options so just stirs up shit with Ben and it works. I didn’t like when Chrissy told him to stop talking at TC. Chrissy annoys me. I also hate Cole. God, fuck this season! See you guys next week.

    • These Words

      If joe could pull together Mike, Devon, JP and the younger blond girl that is still in the game and take down the annoying people, that could maybe salvage this season and turn it into a pretty good one.

      • forever1267

        Ashley. I think non-Chrissy is Ashley.

    • Max_Jets

      I felt the same about Joe this week, which is a 180 from how I felt about him last week.

  • Isaa

    Apparently I’m just the only person actually having fun with this season.

    • Prom King

      I’m enjoying it.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      It’s a B/B- season for me rn. I’m not about the doom and gloom reaction for this one.

    • I enjoyed the scramble for the idol scene last night. That was easily the highlight of the season so far.

    • Maritimer

      Its middling Survivor right now. Its not bad but its not great. I think casual Survivor fan me from about 3 years ago would have considered it good, but now that I talk about Survivor all week I find it middling because it doesn’t leave a ton to talk about. Nobody is making great moves, nobody is making terrible moves (except Sexy Stupid Cole [TM Taako]) everyone is making the “just right” move. Its Goldilocks Survivor.

      • Prom King

        Goldilocks Survivor, I love that.

  • cazkaye

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/21884cd9af40799c4e2c62232f86c679fe94475325cbd9a7b215b532c7c84c28.png So this has been a great few weeks for me.

    Apparently picking the most middle of the road people, means they go out in the middle.

    On another note really not liking Chrissy. And where the eff did Ryan go? I feel like he’s disappeared the last couple of episodes. Even with finding an idol.

    • I do find it interesting that Ryan and Chrissy’s alliance is still getting airtime, and their idol shenanigans are getting airtime, but we didn’t seem so interested with their strategic take right now. It’s kind of like they’re off on their own separate plotline whilst Ben gets on with the issue of actually voting people out.

      • purplerockandy

        Except that Ben has yet to vote out the guys he keeps talking about voting out.

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    (Disclaimer: I’m not 100% sold on the theory I’m about to float) Like everybody else I was baffled by the decision to get rid of Desi rather than Joe at first. But upon further reflection, I think it illustrates the difference between Survivor the TV show and Survivor the game. Joe is an obnoxious idol-finding savant who is all but twirling his mustache, which is great for Survivor the TV show, which has the audience rooting for his comeuppance, but in Survivor the game he’s just about zero-percented himself. Conversely, despite being incredibly easy on the eyes, Desi is providing nearly no material for Survivor the TV show, but in Survivor the game she’s proven to be a threat on all dimensions of the game.

    In addition, I think the plan is still to Pagong the Healers for the time being, and it’s not crazy to think that the odds of Joe finding an idol in the next three days are lower than the odds of Desi winning the next immunity challenge. (Don’t get me wrong, though; on balance I think it’s a bad idea to leave a chaotic player like Joe in the game, just like it was a mistake for Peih-Gee and Redacted to think they could herd Abi-Maria for three weeks).

    • Even then, the odds of Desi and Cole winning the SAME immunity challenge are basically zero.

      • Maritimer

        *Basically* unless Survivor pulls the classic save the minority alliance stunt they pulled in WA to try and save Shirin

    • Mike Hirsch

      This didn’t feel like an instance where their voting of Desi seemed out of the blue. They did bring her up as part of the plan, and if the original plan was to split votes with guys voting for Desi, then she would have had 4 votes to Joe’s 3 before Lauren’s advantage came into play, so it seemed like she was the target all along. So I agree, she must not have been giving them that much. Her most compelling moment was her (subtitled) whispering of “temporarily” when giving back the idol, which itself was edited to make it seem like Ryan at least noticed and considered her a threat.
      The only real issue is that it didn’t make a ton of sense to split in the first place.

      • StormofCuteness

        Having watched her Ponderosa, I found her smart, thoughtful, and interesting. I really don’t get her edit. If her social game was so threatening, why did we see none of it?

        • purplerockandy

          Some people just aren’t interesting television when in the game. It happens.

          • StormofCuteness

            Or she got totally screwed by the edit. It happens.

          • purplerockandy

            Are you as upset about JP getting screwed by the edit as Desi was?

          • StormofCuteness

            False equivalence, much?

          • purplerockandy

            Two boring people are left out of the edit for being boring. Seems pretty equivalent to me.

          • StormofCuteness

            Or perhaps, Desi’s edit sucks, and you have completely bought into the notion that this must mean she’s boring without any evidence at all?

          • purplerockandy

            I also use the evidence of every time I’ve seen or read her speak, she hasn’t been interesting.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I agree Desi was under-edited, but only going to tribal once in the pre-merge and not making it to the final 6 or so is a recipe for getting under-edited. Plus, Desi was arguably twist-screwed, and the show tends to not want us to get invested in such players (example: Jessica Lewis).

          • StormofCuteness

            I totally believe the show was protecting its own self-interest and Desi’s expense.

        • purplerockandy

          Also, a social game that is more threatening than Joe’s is not the same thing as “so threatening”.

          • StormofCuteness

            Jfc, as if you don’t constantly engage in hyperbole.

        • Other Scott

          I mean a threatening social game is not remotely thrilling television – see: Fitzgerald, Michele

    • gouis

      I agree with you aside from the fact that I think Joe finding an idol has a higher probability than Desi winning immunity at a random carnival game

      • Taako From Teevhii

        But if the idol was found and not played last tribal, will there even be an idol for Joe to find?

        • gouis

          I mean there is a new advantage every week, and odds Joe would be the one that finds it is high.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Plus there’s no reason to think that the third idol from the tribe phase isn’t out there somewhere (in fact, does anybody know about Mike’s idol now that Jessica’s gone?).

          • BadPlayer91

            But like, is it that high? The stats of ‘found two idols’ looks great for Joe, but remember that, after finding the clue, he needed help from COLE of all people to actually determine where to dig. And without that help from Cole on the first, he never would have found the second, which he found through shear determination of knowing where it should be. If anything, the fact that he found so much time to dig for the second is the best indicator of his idol finding ability. But overall i’m not convinced Joe is all that amazing at finding idols given that to date he has been unable to find a clue, figure it out, and get the idol on his own.

          • gouis

            Joe has still found two idols and immunity challenges are basically random chance.

          • Hornacek

            But I would not count on Joe winning any challenges. We saw him collapsing in the very first challenge in the first episode. He is not a physical threat, and as we have seen in the post-merge challenges, he is not a balance challenge.

    • Hornacek

      Desi is more of a social and physical threat than Joe. She has a much higher chance of being friendly with everyone and working her way into a crack in the alliance and getting them to turn on each other – Joe is never going to make that happen.

      I don’t think there are any more idols to find. Joe played his idol last week, and the replacement for that idol was found by Ryan this week. Joe may find another advantage, but not an idol until someone plays one.

  • Preview talk: Guys, it might LOOK like Ryan telling everyone “the idol is in my pants” is him telling everyone about the idol, but that’s actually just his go-to pickup line.

  • Crappy

    This season is trending downwards for me. I was mentally checked out for the most of the episode. Didn’t even care too much as to who would find the idol. Joe staying over Desi is good for some shenanigans but he is pretty poor survivor player so may be we will just get one more big bang from him before he whimpers out. I am struggling to come up with any storyline that could make this season exciting again for me. They have not developed Dr Mike’s character well so he is not even a good root-able underdog.

    Some other observations –
    – Ben is being set up for a blindside IMO. I would be surprised if it is as early as next week though.
    – I am glad Ryan was the one to find the idol given he was the only one to use his brain to hid the clue plate all together. Not sure why Chrissy wanted Ryan to see the plate when she could have just clued him in if she wanted to.
    – So Chrissy is now 5/5 in voting out women. Still don’t agree that this is some kind of proof of her being sexist though. I also think we won’t see another female boot till F7 at least.
    – I think winner is between Chrissy, Lauren and Devon.

  • gouis

    @purplerockandy:disqus and @purplerockjohn:disqus since you will yet again have very little to talk about, maybe you should spend half the pod trashing the Justice League movie so we all don’t have to see it to make fun of it ourselves

    • The fun part will be that I haven’t seen JL or any of the other DC movies.

      • gouis

        Time to bite the bullet for us, your dear commenters.

      • Mike Hirsch

        If you want to talk about a movie, I recommend the early 90’s classic Prayer of the Rollerboys, starring Corey Haim and Patricia Arquette. It’s about a bunch of Rollerboys, though I don’t remember much praying happening. I seem to recall it being a dystopian look at a world where Rollerboys reign supreme. It used to be on HBO every other day between the hours of 3 and 5pm.

      • Hornacek

        I’m still ticked that we never got a review from you of Ben Affleck’s The Accountant from an accountant’s perspective.

    • purplerockandy

      Two things: 1) there’s actually a fair amount to talk about this week. 2) I don’t watch those shitty movies.

      (Also, LOL at two parents being able to see a movie before it comes out)

      • gouis

        I guess you just don’t care about us as much as I thought.

        • purplerockandy

          Accurate.

        • Hornacek

          You thought John and Andy cared about us?

          (Sean Connery opens up the door)
          “Welcome to the Purple Rock!”

      • Mike Hirsch

        If I hadn’t already not seen a movie in 20 years, I would chime in with an “accurate” here.

        • You were just preparing for parenthood.

    • sharculese

      Ugh, I’d take Andy’s basketball analogies over that.

      • gouis

        I for one love the off topic analogies that like 7% of the commentariat get.

        • Even 7% might be generous. And yet we don’t let that stop us.

      • purplerockandy

        Here’s one: Chrissy being the best player this season is like D’Angelo Russell being the best player in a Nets vs Bulls game.

        BOOM. Nailed it.

  • Hornacek

    From Jeff Probst’s interview on EW.com about no one at tribal noticing 11 people voted but there were only 10 votes (possible spoiler for the start of the next episode):

    “We were HOPING someone would notice and have it cause an issue back at camp. That was the risk Lauren was taking. But as you’ll see next episode, barely a word was spoken.”

    • It is only a problem if the plan fails. Otherwise who cares about a vote gone missing in a vote that went perfectlly otherwise.

      • Hornacek

        I don’t know. If I’m playing in a group of 11 and Jeff shows all the votes but there are only 10, I’m going to be thinking “Something just happened” and try to find out what it was.

        • We have a) the knowledge that there’d be a vote missing and knew what to look for, and b) the ability to rewind and rewatch though. In person you’re not necessarily keeping count and you don’t get to check back and review what happened. It’s possible people noticed that something seemed wrong but assumed they’d missed Jeff reading a vote or something.

          • Maritimer

            This kind of what I’ve been thinking about too. I think back to Fishbach’s comments in Cambodia about the Wentworth idol play and that organizing the vote split just seemed too complicated when you’re that tired and hungry, so I imagine losing a vote in counting is quite similar. If you’re that exhausted you just assume you missed something or miscounted or whatever. Or frankly, don’t even have the energy to count up the votes to see if they match what the total should be, especially if you have no reason to doubt they would match the total

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I agree with you and @rhetoricalley:disqus about exhaustion, etc., but Joe in particular looked like he sensed something was fishy after the first vote. Given how much danger he was in, I was surprised he didn’t figure it out.

          • Maritimer

            I imagine it kind of got lost because of how much danger he was in. Getting voted out was a much more imminent worry than how many votes were cast

          • Hornacek

            In a regular vote where there is a majority voting out someone and not all the votes are read, sure. But when you’re going into the vote knowing that the majority alliance is splitting the vote, you’re counting each vote as they go. And with each vote Jeff is reminding you of the total: “4 for Joe, 3 for Desi, 1 for Ben, 1 for Lauren”, you’re thinking “Two votes left, I hope our vote-split plan works!” and then Jeff says “One vote left”.

  • Alkanarra

    Alright, so I made it through the comments and I guess I’m confused as to why Chrissy in specific is getting blamed for all the women going home. Katrina was an obvious outsider, and after Chrissy bonded with Ryan it made sense to keep the mindless and loyal muscle that is JP, which means you go Roark/Ali. Now that it’s a pagong, Jessica was the routine “we’re not sure if they have an idol so audible to the woman” vote that always happens (and I’ll point out that targeting her may have saved Chrissy from going home if they had went after Joe), then you get to Desi, who was arguably the best challenge contributor male or female, whereas Joe is so grating there’s no way he’ll get anyone to flip to save him. I know it’s not a good look that all the women (and equally telling, almost all the minorities) are gone, but I ain’t blaming Chrissy for taking unnecessary risks just to help the sisterhood.

    • I think it’s in part things that have come from exit interviews, but also what we haven’t seen from Chrissy, which is any effort whatsoever to align herself with another woman. Apart from some lip-service to keeping Ashley back before the swap, and the edit doing its best to make it look like she was a pair with Katrina, has she ever even hinted at allying with any of the women? Not Roark. Not Ali. Have we even seen her speak to Lauren since the merge? How about Ashley?

      That doesn’t mean all the votes are her fault, necessarily. But by far the majority of Chrissy scenes fail the Bechdel test, and she does bear some responsibility for that being the case.

      • Alkanarra

        That’s not a Chrissy-specific problem though. The show often doesn’t bother showing players outside of their set storylines. Ryan has pretty much only talked with her, Ali, and (way back when) Devon. Ashley has been invisible outside of some brief moments with JP and Devon. We haven’t had scenes of Joe with Lauren or Ben with Desi or Mike with Ashley because it sprawls the narrative too far out, especially at the merge. I’m not gonna hold Chrissy accountable because they didn’t show her talking to people not in her alliance when that happens with everyone. The *show* fails the Bechdel test, but it does so because those other relationships aren’t driving the narrative, so why invest time in them?

        As far as Roark, Chrissy *did* try to talk with her and it was obvious that wasn’t going to work for either pair. And then when it came to Ali, that story was all about it being Ryan’s decision, so you’d just be wasting airtime showing Ali/Chrissy scenes.

        I don’t read exit interviews so sure, maybe that’s where I’m missing something, but otherwise I really don’t understand this whole “Chrissy hates women” thing.

        • You’re completely right that the edit doesn’t show us everything, but when we have things like Roark saying ‘Chrissy never spoke to me before today’ and Ali saying ‘Chrissy was never interested in allying with me’, it’s a pretty fair assumption that we’re not being shown that footage not just because it’s not relevant to the story, but because it doesn’t exist.

          It’s also likely that gender makes people pick up on nuance differently. If Chrissy wins she will have played a great game and deserve to win, even if that was done by voting out every other woman there. But people (like me) will likely still find that a little depressing, because a narrative that suggests that a woman can succeed only by allying with men, at the expense of other women, is one that gets played out all to often in the workplace. it might be entirely unfair to assign that attitude to Chrissy – I don’t know, I’m not there. But I do think it’s not an unreasonable perception for people to have.

          • indescribable hat

            The way Chrissy talked about Roark being smart really pinged for me as a too-competetive-with-other-women, only-room-for-one mentality kind of thing.

          • I can be a little bit understanding because I imagine in the finance world, particularly when Chrissy was young, it was quite difficult to succeed as a woman in that field and probably the easiest way to go about it WAS to be One Of The Guys. I’m Not Like Other Women. I’m The Cool Girl. Etc. Etc. It becomes ingrained.

            These days there are so many organisations aimed at helping women get on in the workplace through mentoring schemes, networking groups and so forth. Back then? I’m guessing not so much.

          • Alkanarra

            Ah, OK. I tend to ignore outside the show stuff, but I suppose that’s all pretty damning if accurate.

            Though still to play devil’s advocate here, it could also be a “she doesn’t talk to people not in her alliance” attitude rather than just women, which is still not good, but definitely more inline with how a lot of people play the game.

          • Mike Hirsch

            There was also one line in there in the Roark episode I think where Ryan mentioned that Ali and Chrissy have no relationship whatsoever.

          • Crappy

            I think you are reading too much into this. We have had all sorts of female wins in survivor
            – Spradlin winning off the back of a strong all women alliance
            – Natalie white winning by default due to Russell’s bad play
            – Michele winning due to being more acceptable passive winner to jury than an aggressive player in Aubry
            – Sarah winning by playing the most cut throat strategic game aligning with both men and women at different points.
            I am not denying there is some sexism at play in survivor at times, how can there not be when it is part of real world.

          • I’m not sure why you think I’m arguing that the only way a woman can win Survivor is by playing an anti-female game. I’m not. People are commenting that CHRISSY seems to think she can win Survivor with an anti-female game. And she’s very possibly right. That’s very different from making that generalisation about an entire gender.

            I think BadPlayer91 really hit the nail on the head. We can respect the strategy behind the gameplay without necessarily enjoying the gameplay (much like how Brian’s strategy in Thailand to identify the Absolute Worst people and ally with them was good gameplay, but now we don’t like Thailand much because of it).

        • purplerockandy

          Yeah, it’s exits and preseason inteviews that have really shaped this. Apparently, she decided immediately that she was never going to work with both Katrina and Roark. If true, that’s telling.

          • Crappy

            It isn’t. I listened to the First one out series and have read all exit press. Chrissy not wanting to align with Katrina was due to
            – Katrina being an odd personality that seemed destined to be an early boot. A lot of people other Chrissy had her as their pick for first one out. Even production singled out her and Simone as likely first boots.
            – She wanted to avoid being in any kind of mom alliance and shed the tag of an older woman. Which given that she wants to play a very strategic game, makes sense.

            Roark stuff is more murky since we only know what was shown and what she and Ali said. Roark was actually the one least hostile to Chrissy in her exits than Ali and Jessica. The damning stuff she said about Chrissy was
            – Chrissy pin pointed her as a the designated boot from their tribe early on and chose not to talk to her.
            – Chrissy was bossy to Ali and tried to dictate strategy to her.
            First one to me makes sense given Chrissy wanted to boot out a healer and isolate the designated target. Second is likely true given Ali did align with Roark but Ali did not exactly confirm this in her exit press. Her problem with Chrissy was due to some elaborate lie she told her.

            Most of the heat is coming from Jessica’s press where she point blanked labelled Chrissy a woman hater. I have problem just accepting this at face value given
            – Jessica claims to be really good at detecting ‘woman haters’ and claimed to get such vibes from Chrissy even before meeting her.
            – She, Ali and Roark no doubt bonded on pre-merge trip and festered more hate over their eventual ouster at the hands of Chrissy.

            I wrote this elsewhere but we simply don’t enough to label Chrissy sexist or a woman hater, that goes beyond hating a survivor character. But it is fair to say that she is someone who most probably prefer working with men over women. I don’t believe there is anything wrong with that unless the reason behind the same is bias.

          • purplerockandy

            While I think we can say anything definitive, I also don’t think we need absolute proof before hypothesizing about stuff. You may want to dismiss all of the vibes many people are picking up independently, including those from people WHO WERE ACTUALLY THERE, but that doesn’t mean the rest of us have to.

            Also, it’s not just Jessica:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2bc1e1ad42b295118173bc6909d8a4e6afad8737f515e6b6c03df33fb1cababd.png

          • Crappy

            Yes, I was waiting for the podcast to hit before commenting on Desi interview. It is definitely a continuation of the same theme around Chrissy so yeah the smoke is getting thicker and thicker. But I also find the whole exit interview to be very petty. Desi reducing a woman doing well to be about her boobs and teeth is demeaning to women in general, not to mention also a disparaging remark against men left in the game currently. Also worth noting that moral line supposedly Chrissy crossed as per Desi is a debate dating back 13 years or so. Since Twila (if not earlier) people have been swearing on their children, parents etc to get ahead in the game. Some group of people are fine with it, some aren’t.

            But circling back, I do concede that it is natural now for people to buy into these exit interviews now and label Chrissy as having some issues with women. Her own exit press is going to be very interesting now.

          • Hornacek

            I don’t know if Chrissy doesn’t like women or not, but just because she has voted out only women and does not want to work with other women doesn’t mean she literally doesn’t like women – it can just as easily mean that she doesn’t want to work with these women. Or that she finds it easier to manipulate men.

        • BadPlayer91

          I think the implication that “Chrissy hates women” is an exaggeration of the more basic observation that “Chrissy is choosing not to align with women.” While Chrissy’s votes start to show this, exit interviews have definitely provided strong evidence for the argument that Chrissy has made a conscious decision to avoid working with women and instead target them.

          Roark is a good example. Exit interview content insinuated that Chrissy made it clear she was not interested in working with Roark BEFORE she bonded with Ryan over his advantage gift. Thus, it appears that prior to bonding with Ryan, Chrissy already wanted to target Roark, the potential flip vote. And the fact that Chrissy elected to ‘go on a walk’ with Ryan could mean she was already hoping to swing him to her side before he revealed his advantage. Is any of this terrible and damning for Chrissy? Not entirely, but it provides evidence that Chrissy’s immediate reaction to her new tribe of 3 women and 2 men was to align with the men. She even used the threat of a women’s alliance as a tool to activate and gain loyalty from the men.

          Black Dynamite and I discussed this earlier this week, but respecting this choice and liking it are not necessarily the same. I respect and understand Chrissy’s choice to primarily align with men, as it has proven successful and seems destined to get her far in the game. But at the same time, I do not like the strategy, because even if Chrissy is doing this simply and purely as a numbers games, playing to the best odds, it still looks bad. As Reya mentions below, the storyline of a woman taking out all other women to succeed in a man’s game is not one I want to watch, even if I do appreciate the skill in it.

          Personally, I believe this is an distinct element of this season, and will shape how things turn out down the line, but that Production does not want to portray it as part of Chrissy’s success, for fear of the negative reactions many of us are having. I wouldn’t be surprised if Chrissy has already stated her strategy of aligning with men but that was cut from the edit. I could even see her bringing it up at FTC, should we make it, but that isn’t something production is likely to put forward as inherent to her narrative, particularly in the current political climate.

          • Alkanarra

            Yeah, you and Reya are well argued and obviously aware of extra-textual evidence which might make things a little clearer. Whatever her reasons, she knew the game well enough to know this was a viable strategy, so I guess my opinion is don’t hate the player, hate the game.

            Or Probst. It’s always OK to blame it all on Probst.

          • Prom King

            Always!

          • Hornacek

            Or maybe it’s that Chrissy knows that women are smarter than men and she can easily manipulate and control the men, but she knows that the other women won’t be as easily manipulated, so she has to vote them out?

            Chrissy doesn’t hate women – she hates men!

          • BadPlayer91

            Again, I’ve never said Chrissy hates women, just that she has chosen not to align with them. I definitely agree, it could and probably is that she knows she has a better shot with the men than the women. Unfortunately for us, that doesn’t make for an interesting cast, and it doesn’t make for a fun season-long narrative.

          • Prom King

            She’s Female Chris Daugherty!

      • StormofCuteness

        Agree 100%!

      • Hornacek

        “and the edit doing its best to make it look like she was a pair with Katrina”

        Did it? I don’t remember ever seeing Chrissy and Katrina talking one-on-one about strategy, or anything really. We saw them in a group conversation with Alan, but he was doing most of the talking. I never got the impression that Chrissy and Katrina were working together at all.

        • purplerockandy

          They shared a one on one scene.

          • Hornacek

            It was obviously so riveting that I blocked it out.

        • I’m thinking of the scene of the two of them at the well, and Katrina saying they needed to work together. Scraping the barrel for sure, but the editors needed SOMETHING to suggest the possibility that Chrissy might play the idol for her.

          • Hornacek

            Yeah, that seems like the textbook definition of a conversation where Person A really means what they’re saying, and Person B is just saying “Yeah, sure” because you should always agree with anything proposed to you whether you mean it or not.

          • BadPlayer91

            They also had confessionals from multiple other members on that team that paired or insinuated Katrina and Chrissy were interchangeable and either would be a good first vote.

          • Hornacek

            In their defense, on a tribe of 6 with 3 men and 3 women, and 2 of the women are 40ish and the other is 20ish, even with no other evidence, the 3 men and young woman are likely to assume that the two 40ish women are going to work together because they’re both women and older.

    • By The Numbers

      Winning one challenge does not make you an immunity threat, especially when there is 11 players (8 immunities) left. Some of those challenges are going to be puzzles, and some will be for brawny types like JP/Cole

      • Alkanarra

        Desi is pretty fucking brawny. She was an absolute beast in all of the pre-merge team challenges and came real close that second immunity challenge too. She straight up should be considered the best physical competitor that was still in the game.

        • By The Numbers

          Agree to disagree – plus there’s no way she wins 4 in a row, which is how many she’d need to make a difference.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I don’t think it’s that she literally has to go on a Hollowayesque immunity streak, it’s that her consistently good performance in challenges (even if she doesn’t win), coupled with her with being well-liked, was making her a jury threat. And the fact that Cole thwarted the easy vote by winning immunity probably gave them extra motivation to get rid of a challenge threat rather than an annoyance/idol threat like Joe.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Agree totally. It’s weird that people are so baffled and upset about the Desi vote. Joe is annoying people left and right and ultimately probably not that good at the game. Desi is likable, smart and after doing well in the first two immunity challenges she stood out enough that the majority alliance thought it was prudent to get rid of her before Joe. I’m sure if Cole didn’t win immunity, they would have split the vote between Joe and Cole (or Desi and Cole) and Cole would have gone home for similar reasons.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I too was baffled and upset at first. But as I said elsewhere, both Joe and Desi are getting edits that probably don’t reflect how they’re perceived by the other castaways, because Joe is good TV and Desi isn’t. And usually we applaud players for not giving in to mere annoyance when voting, it’s just that we’re so invested in Joe’s comeuppance.

          • Hornacek

            While Joe was on the beach antagonizing Ben and causing an argument, Desi was sitting in the shelter, socializing and bonding with Heroes and Hustlers.

            Desi was the greater future threat, from both a social standpoint. Physical too – remember that during the challenge in the premiere, Joe was collapsing as they were running the course – this was their first challenge on only day 3!

          • UseYourCommonSense

            Lol yep…Joe seems like more of a goat than anything, I understand why they took Desi out.

          • By The Numbers

            She seemed really out of the loop though, and didn’t seem like she was trying to stay very hard

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I personally have never bought into the whole “let’s be mad at Chrissy because she’s targeting women” thing. I mean, this really is a season where the women (besides Katrina, obvs) are bigger threats than the men. I mean, Roark, Ali and Jessica were all well liked and considered potential winners on this site. And sure, Desi’s edit made it obvious that she wasn’t winning, that’s all post hoc. On the island she had to seem like a huge threat – relatively UTR, but capable in challenges, smart, likable and well spoken (with experience in pageants, which has to translate well to FTC). Compare that to the men who are left – Cole is strategically inert, Joe is annoying people left and right, Ben’s anger will likely cause him to lose favor, Mike seems too awkward to sway a jury, and JP and Ryan are in Chrissy’s pocket. In my opinion, every vote since Roark has just made people mad because the women who went home were more likable than the men who remained. I can’t argue with that, but it doesn’t make me dislike Chrissy as a person. I’m not trying to say she’s a good person or that people have to like her, but the complaints about her voting out women don’t do anything for me.

      • indescribable hat

        Amanda had pageant experience!

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          Haha true, but would anyone call Amanda smart?

          • Blurry Denzel

            I would call Amanda smart. I think she has shown a lot of intelligence during her time on Survivor. I think her issue during FTC is not being able to own her game and being too apologetic. I think she was too hung up on other people’s hurt feelings.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Agreed, and I would chalk her Micronesia FTC performance to playing Survivor for 78 days almost in a row. Amanda is nevertheless a good counter-argument to the assumption that Desi would have been poised at FTC (although I think she would have).

          • How did Danni do at FTC?

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I have absolutely no memory of how she did, but she was going to win as long as she had a pulse.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I wouldn’t call her dumb.

        • Prom King

          Zombie pageant?

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I was just about to bring up the pageant thing and how that elevates her FTC threat level. And while I agree 100% about what you said about Chrissy, even if she is deliberately targeting women that STILL doesn’t justify the “Chrissy hates women” take. We tolerate, no actually celebrate as good Survivor gameplay, all sorts of deception and manipulation without assuming that’s how they act IRL.

  • Diego Armando

    With all the talk of positive and negative edits going around, I would like to state the following: No one is getting a Winner’s Edit. The Winner’s Edit is reserved for blindingly obvious (not Edgic obvious) winners who are shown as being so amazing or dominant that they are impossible to ignore (see Mike Holloway, Boston Rob, Kim, Cochran, etc.).

    The only person left who has a majorly positive edit is Mike, and while he could win, it is far from guaranteed (also possibly Devon, but his odds are much lower). Our main contenders are flawed players whose edit’s reflect this. Chrissy is solid to good at strategy, but has a massive ego and has no qualms about talking down to those who she feels are beneath her. Ryan is a massively flawed strategist, but is doing extremely well at making social connections. Ben is a very personable person, but has no tolerance for Cole’s selfishness and his pride in service makes it easy for Joe to goad him into exploding. Joe is a struggling Tony clone. Lauren makes no secret of not liking people. Cole is an idiot, an entertaining one, but also selfish. Ashley exists. JP is nothing. Someone is winning.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      At this point in the game in MvGX, the edit was dunking on Adam. I would have thought that would shut down all Winner’s Edit talk going forward.

      Although TBF, the Winner’s Edit theorists insist that the point is not to identify the Mike Holloways, but the Michele Fitzgeralds.

      • Mike Hirsch

        In the case of OWM, wouldn’t identifying her be less about recognizing her as the winner, and more about a process of elimination of absolutely everyone else?

        • purplerockandy

          No, it was more of a case of “why is someone so otherwise meaningless be getting any meaningful time?”

          • Mike Hirsch

            Ah, ok. I remember her storyline as:
            Not a whole lot
            Stepped on the wrong mat
            I don’t need to be carried bro
            Debbie worried she’d drown herself
            HUGE JURY THREAT from Tai

          • You forgot puzzle kicker.

          • Blurry Denzel

            Also a one time dance partner of Blurry Denzel.

          • What would Aubry think?

          • Blurry Denzel

            She was there. This was at the Live KIA after party during MvGX. I’m not sure she witnessed the dancing but she would probably think that the dude dancing with Michele looks incredibly nervous and a little drunk.

          • Hornacek
          • purplerockandy

            She didn’t have a storyline. But I guess she was given key confessionals. That stood out because A) she didn’t have a storyline and B) were not that interesting.

            *I say “I guess” because I frankly didn’t even notice those.

          • Hornacek

            Her storyline was “Wow, this woman can memorize a lot of items at once!”

          • She don’t need carried, bro, but she will carry your drinks and entrees to your table.

          • Hornacek

            Bro, we know!

          • Max_Jets

            She was given two mini storylines – one of her turning on Nick and one of her having to vote out Julia – but no overarching storyline. Scot supposedly saw some story of her getting stronger while her fellow F3 tribemates got weaker, but uhh I guess it was left on the cutting room floor.

          • Remember we also got Julia’s FTC justification that she voted for Michele because she started playing on Day 23 or whenever she voted out Julia.

          • Hornacek

            Ah, the Neleh strategy.

          • Except it wasn’t our Neleh analogue who said it.

      • Hornacek

        At this point of MvGX, wasn’t Adam getting outsmarted by Taylor with the stolen food?

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Interesting thought. I feel like I tend to use “winner edit” to mean whatever edit the eventual winner is getting, but since we can’t know that during the season I understand that your usage makes more sense. I would agree that under your definition, no one is getting a Winner’s Edit this season. In fact, you could say that no one has gotten a Winner’s Edit since maybe Mike Holloway.

      • purplerockandy

        Jeremy

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          Oh right, duh

        • Jeremy is even an odd case because he didn’t even get a winner’s montage at the top of the reunion. Michele got one.

          • purplerockandy

            I feel like sometimes those just don’t happen. They don’t have much time in the reunion.

          • But in the modern age, we have seen winner montages (even for Natalie White and Fabio).

          • purplerockandy

            I’m not sure those two winners are all that modern anymore.

          • Sophie?

          • purplerockandy

            Still no.

            And just so you don’t have to keep going with this, I’m not saying winners no longer get these. I’m just saying that’s entirely possible Jeremy’s was cut for time, not that it’s a statement of omission on him or how the show feels about his win.

            Reunions seem to start a lot later than they used to now.

          • Well, there goes my point AA on my why Cambodia sucks post.

          • Blurry Denzel

            I feel like you’ll still have enough material.

          • No, the lack of a Jeremy winner montage is crucial to my argument.

          • Blurry Denzel

            I would’ve rather had that montage than the 10 minute explanation of No votes count.

          • Thanks for the assist.

          • Blurry Denzel

            Anytime. Why Cambodia Actually Kinda Sucks is the future post I’m looking most looking forward to.

            EDIT: To be clear to others reading the comment, I think Cambodia is fantastic. I’m just really fascinated by the argument against it.

          • Just know that I will fight back on this. Unless the entirety of the argument is “because Shirin went home second.” In which case, carry on.

          • I can’t make that the entirety of my argument. I will say that her boot episode is pretty good.

          • Saying an episode isn’t a strong addition to your “This season sucks” argument…

          • No, I am saying that Shirin’s boot episode is not a reason why I don’t like Cambodia.

          • Blurry Denzel

            The second post I’m most looking forward to is BJ and BD watch Palau. I haven’t forgotten that you still need to see it.

          • I have totally seen it. I don’t know what you are talking about.

          • Crappy

            They gave Kelley a montage the same reunion.

          • purplerockandy

            Alright, fine, you all win. The evidence is clear that the show clearly hates Jeremy.

          • Crappy

            Probts loved Wentworth more that season that Jeremy, I believe he would have preferred her or Spencer to win that season over Jeremy. She also got a montage at reunion.

    • Crappy

      I don’t agree that winner edit can only be labelled against dominant winners in terms of game play or air time or both. Like or hate them, OWM folks did get it right with the main cue being a non-involved boring narrator getting content filled confessionals in pre-merge when she went to a total of zero TCs.
      Coming to this season, I am inclined to agree with you but I do believe Chrissy is very close to be getting a winner’s edit, it is only the small social cues she is shown to be failing at that makes me think she won’t win. But given they do exist, you are correct that anyone predicting a winner 100% at this stage is just playing the odds one way or another.

      • Maritimer

        Chrissy has twice gotten a confessional that made me go “wait, it is going to be her this episode somehow” (including her post-IC confessional this episode) and I haven’t yet decided if this is good or bad fr her potential winner’s edit. Its really what is keeping me from calling her a clear front runner at this point

      • Diego Armando

        The term winner’s edit has lost its meaning. It used to be “Earl Helicopter Shot” obvious, but now means the edit the winner gets.

        • Crappy

          I see what you are saying and semantically it is true. But I believe “winner’s edit” in current survivor discussion world signifies someone you can pin point as a winner just before or after the merge. There are seasons where you can do that and seasons where you can’t. Hence conversations over presence or absence of winner’s edit.

    • Prom King

      Interesting post. I think I agree but I have to think about it some more!

      I’d add Jeremy, Tom, and maybe even Earl to your short list as well.

      • Diego Armando

        Those 3 also should be on that list.

    • Eric

      I feel like Devon is somehow getting the most traditional winner’s edit but can’t fathom how it occurs. This seems more of a lesser of evils vote at the end with how they will be perceived by the jury and that can make winner edits pretty difficult.

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    Ryan should have buried the plate so he can use it as a fake clue in Second Chance 2.

    • Maritimer

      This is actually an interesting thought. Since they’re staying in Fiji for a while, could they bury things with the intent/hope that they get to play again and can dig them up, like accidentally happened with Zeke’s fake idol

      • BadPlayer91

        I mean, i’d assume production would intervene? Cause why wouldn’t they?

        • Maritimer

          They didn’t with Zeke’s fake idol. But probably because it didn’t occur to them. I expect they would now but its worth a shot, especially if you never make your intention clear to the camera. Would obviously only work for certain things

          • the sky is falling

            Are they usually literally on the exact same beach when they return to a location?

          • BadPlayer91

            I’d assume not, but I have not looked into any of that.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            They definitely used the exact same beaches for Game Changers and Kaoh Rong and for Nicaragua, SJDS, and Worlds Apart. I’m pretty sure, but not 100%, they were on the same beaches for Philippines and Caramoan, and for BvW and Cagayan. Palau and Micronesia were also on the same beaches. I’m not sure about the Samoa seasons or indeed the current run of Fiji seasons. Six seasons in a row at least and there really might be Monica Padilla-style resource depletion.

          • the sky is falling

            That makes sense since the locations are already scoped out and know where to best stage the challenges, etc. Must be a huge time-saver for production if they are familiar with the surroundings. Interesting since I think they have the same location booked for a while.
            They may eventually have to hire the coconut-bandits to do some island restocking as penance for their past coconut-themed crimes.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Going down the rabbit hole even further, it turns out Redemption Island was also filmed at the SJDS location. Man, that place is cursed: one decent season, two very below average seasons, arguably the very worst season of all, and Season 1 of Survivor New Zealand, which was mostly terrible.

          • the sky is falling

            Survivor team really needs to get it together and write a comprehensive book or documentary about the behind the scenes stuff

          • Hornacek

            I just listened to a RHAP episode from between seasons 30 & 31 with Mario Lanza (from Funny 115 fame) where he discusses his book “When It Was Worth Playing For” which is a collection of essays about the first 3 seasons with lots of interviews with players and behind the scenes people.

          • sharculese

            That title is just so douchey I can’t supporting it, though.

          • Hornacek

            I haven’t read it, and I just listened to that podcast a few weeks ago which is why it was so fresh in mind. Lanza tells Rob that because of NDAs and contracts, there will never be an official history of the show written while the show is on, or maybe ever. So that’s why he decided to write the book.

            The title comes from his belief that the show used to be about characters and has become about strategy. He says this like it’s a bad thing – his Funny 115 list is mostly funny, but when he gets an idea in his head he runs with it and cannot be convinced he’s wrong (his over-the-top obsessions with Coach, Russell and Brad Culpepper on the 3 F115 lists).

          • sharculese

            I get why he called it that. What makes it douchey is it’s just the perfect emblem of his smug condescension about how he and only he understands the right way to truly love Survivor. It’s everything I find tedious and petty about him wrapped up six words.

          • the sky is falling

            nice, I’ll have to check it out. thanks for the tip

          • The merge beach in Redemption Island is Exile Island in SJDS.

          • At least South Pacific and One World were filmed on the same beaches because apparently Sophie made comments about how her tribe used the bathroom where the One World cast had set up camp.

          • Maritimer

            I have no idea, but they were between MvGX and GC. And Cambodia and KR.

          • Hornacek

            On RHAP a few weeks ago Rob interviewed Brad and Monica Culpepper, and Brad was saying that he recognized one of the beaches and certain landmarks from Game Changers.

  • StormofCuteness

    I should note that our 18 year old cat died on Tuesday, and I’m getting married on Saturday so I may be all out of fucks to give in my comments. So apologies in advance for my hostile tone and aggressive defense. I will try to do better or rather, stop replying.

    • Alkanarra

      I feel you. I had my kitty from 4 to 21 and I still miss her. Add the stress of a wedding and yeah, this otherwise boring season of Survivor probably isn’t the mellowing experience you’re looking for.

      L’chaim on the wedding and best wishes.

      • StormofCuteness

        Thank you for your understanding and well wishes!

    • I’m sorry about your cat. You’re allowed to show a bit of emotion, it’s fine. Especially after a loss like that.

      But just as important: Congratulations on your wedding!

    • Prom King

      First of all, very sorry about your cat. That is very, very sad.

      Second, CONGRATULATIONS! Exciting. Hope your wedding day is wonderful.

      You have definitely been rather salty lately. But it has made me feel a little less guilty about being salty myself, as I am definitely about that life.

  • giorgos

    The season is fine and it could get much better. A combination of Chrissy, Ryan, Ben, Joe and Mike will prob dominate the screentime until the finale which I think is a good thing.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      It’s still league-average Survivor to me, fighting with Panama for the exact middle of the pack. Which is fine, because Survivor is awesome. And middle of the pack would make HHH the best of the four post-all-returnee-season seasons (unless you count MvGX as one of those seasons).

      • By The Numbers

        I feel like this season is the one where your listing off all the seasons and you keep coming up one short then it hits you like “Oh yeah that did happen”.

        • The problem with this season is that we honestly know very little people and how they react. We get scenes with Ryan and Chrissy talking about their amazing social games but we don’t have scenes showing how they bond with people. In fact this season is very “tell but don’t show”.

      • Really. Below Kaoh Rong. This season wishes it had people with personalities like Nick, Peter, and Cydney.

      • the sky is falling

        At least the fall season has a short off-season. Not many big personalities this season, but I’m still intrigued. middle of the pack is the right take

      • Prom King

        fighting with Panama for the exact middle of the pack

        Not an uncommon opinion, but for the life of me I just don’t understand how a season with both Casaya Tribe and Cirie as the protagonist could ever be middle of the pack. Totally bizarre to me.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Whoa, I’m flattered, but this is too sudden, Prom King. We need to go on a few more dates first.

          I completely agree that Casaya is one of the greatest tribes of all time and Cirie one of the greatest players. But the big bowl of oatmeal that was the La Mina tribe was also on that season. And the season kind of limps to the finish once Cirie is eliminated. That’s what lands in in the middle of the pack.

          It’s true that Panama had characters that popped more than anybody on HHH, but every single season has characters that popped more than anybody on HHH. That’s what’s making HHH so weird. That and the completely by the book strategy.

          Maybe Panama is the wrong comparison, but I really struggle to come up with the right comparison. No other season is so clustered on the middle of the distribution curve. Maybe HHH is like Guatemala or South Pacific, if those seasons had no returnees, or like San Juan Del Sur, if Natalie had come in, say, sixth.

          • Prom King

            I move fast!

            You make good points about limp, dull La Mina. I just choose to ignore those points when watching. La Mina time is a good time to check emails, text, do chores, while I wait for Casaya & Cirie time to start.

        • Max_Jets

          If the season ended now, it would be Panama all the way, but I think there is an expectation for more exciting things to come. 3-2-1 vote aside, Panama doesn’t get have the highest of highs but is instead consistently entertaining.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I think the better “if the season ended now” comparison is actually SJDS, when Natalie waited until the end game to completely take over the season. By this time in Panama, there was already the outhouse incident and the rock garden incident, so we had inklings of what a bunch of weirdos Casaya was.

          • Prom King

            Yep I’m seeing much more of a similarity to SJDS, for now at least.

        • Maritimer

          Panama’s biggest issue is that while Casaya is awesomely dysfunctional the Terry tribe is incredibly boring and other than the 3-2-1 the strategy is pretty straightforward, with a Pagonging and a medevac thrown in. Any pre-merge time not spent at Casaya drags. I think this is why Panama is considered the standard for replacement level Survivor. Survivor is good! Being middle of the pack makes it a good season! But just not great

          • sharculese

            One of the things Rob noted during TEoS is that, any time Terry goes to Exile Island, the La Minas just sit around waiting for him to come back, like they just don’t know what to do with themselves without Terry there.

            #Terrysucksbuthedeservesathirdchance

          • Max_Jets

            He’s also really good looking, so I’m not opposed.

          • Maritimer

            I agree he deserves a third chance. If that’s what happens your second chance, you really should get a call back

          • sharculese

            I hope they offered him a spot on Game Changers and he turned it down to focus on his family, but can you imagine the world where it’s him instead of [redacted]?

          • Maritimer

            I assume they did? You could certainly make the argument he’s more of a Game Changer than many of the people on the season. I think he replaces Troy though, production was determined to get [redacted] back ASAP post Cambodia

          • Hornacek

            I love the TEOS chapters of Panama where Rob and Josh say that the Casaya tribe is one of the greatest and most interesting tribes ever, but the Terry tribe is the most boring tribe ever – Terry is the only interesting player on that tribe, and he has to go to Exile, watching scenes with the rest of that tribe are excruciating.

          • Maritimer

            Yup. Nick and Austin were both bland and hot and I think there may also have been other people

          • Hornacek

            How dare you forget Astronaut Dan! Did you know he was an astronaut? Dan said he would keep it a secret, until he eventually told everybody.

          • Maritimer

            …is Dan future Cole?

          • Prom King

            Okay, agree. Those La Mina scenes are amongst the dullest tribes scenes ever. But those Casaya and Cirie scenes are some of the best of the series. It levels out, but Panama is still in or near my top ten.

  • the sky is falling

    FYI: I have reviewed my live blog comments and determined a batting average of .200 this week. Many bad takes! much sexism! 1 pervy Desi comment! limited comprehension of what happened!

    • Ok, but what’s your Value Over Replacement Commenter?

      • the sky is falling

        Yikes, looked that up, that’s a nightmare rabbit hole of statistics.

        • Don’t get discouraged by the fact that you’ve got bad takes. We let Barbara Anderson stick around, and she hates Cambodia, which is the most garbage of takes.

          • Hey now, I don’t hate Cambodia.

          • Don’t back down from your hot take now!

          • I have never said that I hated Cambodia.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Why does Barbara hate Cambodia so much?

          • Hornacek

            Hey, did you hear that Barbara hates Cambodia?

          • Blurry Denzel

            Barbara and Cambodia are basically the new Jay Z and Nas.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I couldn’t believe it when she ranked Cambodia lower than Thailand.