Survivor Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers Episodes 10 & 11 Liveblog: “Buy One, Get One Free”

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Matt has an irrational dislike for all contestants named Michel(l)e. Also if he ever takes a strong stance about why everyone else is wrong, it is he that is inevitably wrong.

Favorite seasons: Micronesia, Heroes vs. Villains, Palau, Philippines, Pearl Islands, Cagayan
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  • Saturday Night Palsy

    Yes! It’s time for Survivor: Dummies vs. Dullards vs. Devon!

  • Hornacek
    • Violina23

      Awwwww, he looks just like my Luna

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Cementing that Mike made a stupid, stupid move. No one knew about his idol!

  • The foot fetish challenge returns. Weird.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Don’t fetish shame!

    • Marlin M.

      lol my boyfriend would enjoy this.

    • PurpleTally

      I was literally just about to type this.

    • Violina23

      I’m just glad that this wasn’t the challenge we saw on the gigantic movie screen for KIA’s….

  • Hornacek

    Mike explains why he did what he did at tribal. It all makes perfect sense!

  • Marlin M.

    hey guys!

    • purplerockandy

      Sup

  • Hornacek

    The return of the foot fetish challenge.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    For as much as Mike talks about how he constantly practiced challenges after being cast, do we think that he was working on his foot dexterity?

    • Hornacek

      He did say “This was my challenge to win.” I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that he practiced this exact challenge in his backyard.

  • PurpleTally

    We’re all calling this the foot fetish level, but, dear god, these people’s feet are gross by this point.

  • Hornacek

    A challenge before the opening credits? This has happened before, right?

  • Marlin M.

    feet are gross, I could barely stand to look at mine.

    • Well it is the most common fetish, so someone is turned on by this challenge.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Even Devon is surprised by Lauren picking him.

  • Hornacek

    Ryan loses the challenge and kicks over the puzzle … just like winner Michele kicked her challenge! Winner’s edit?

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Lauren is turning into a challenge beast and is planning the first Big Move™ of the season. Looks like OWL.

    OWL.

    OWL.

    *my eyes roll back and go black*

    OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL. OWL.

  • the sky is falling

    I’m enjoying the Joe/Mike dynamic since they started as mortal enemies

  • Mike they are not blinded by the seven. There the ones who benefit the most by the seven staying together.

    • Violina23

      Every time someone says “the seven” I think it’s a Game of Thrones Reference. Do the minorities believe in the Lord of Light?

      • Side Character

        The tribe is white and full of errors.

  • the sky is falling

    I’ve seen this cocky main alliance before. it never works out for the cocky majority.

  • Hornacek

    Were Siskel and Ebert a comedy duo on the side?

  • BadPlayer91

    This episode wants us to believe SO FUCKING HARD that something will happen to disrupt the majority 7. Which makes me think it won’t….

    • the sky is falling

      Yeah, that’s concerning

  • Hornacek

    Chrissy and ryan say it’s 100% that the 7 will stick together to 7 … which means one of the 7 is going home tonight.

    • the sky is falling

      Long term, it’s a dumb play to vote out Joe or Mike tonight

  • Marlin M.

    Ben lol

    “Im sick of being called King Arthur” and then five seconds later “Im sick of keeping everyone in line”

    • You see, I think Ben is Arthurian expert and he sees the insult in that.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    What was the point of hiding the letters under the buns?

    • Hornacek

      Production hoped someone would eat one of the letters.

  • Ryan Bilger

    Ah, time for those sweet sweet tears

  • Streets_Ahead

    Why is Jeff yelling at us?

    • the sky is falling

      He’s wasted

  • PurpleTally

    Oh, shit. We are getting a lot of Lauren in this episode, and I’m starting to get nervous.

    • BadPlayer91

      SAMESIES

      • the sky is falling

        I think it’s just that she is finally doing something, can’t leave that out of edit

        • BadPlayer91

          True, but of those 4, Lauren was the one who got 90% of the letters from home edit…

        • BadPlayer91

          And now I east my words, DAT BEN EDIT!

  • BadPlayer91

    DIS LAUREN EDIT. Is this really good, or really really bad for Lauren?

    • PurpleTally

      I can’t tell, and I’m DISTRAUGHT.

      • BadPlayer91

        Right now, i feel like maybe Lauren is our second boot? Devon’s confessional could easily be the seeds of ‘gotta get rid of Lauren, she’s too good’

        and just when I was thinking, eh, maybe I like Lauren…

    • Marlin M.

      I think its good but what do I know?

    • Fun fact, Lauren is one of the only people left who has had a confessional in every episode.

    • Crappy

      I have said it since the pre-merge that she has had good content throughout. A lot of people said she was just getting confessionals complaining about people but she got strategic confessionals in pre-merge even after the Patrick boot episode. She is winning!

  • Chris Diorio

    Did anyone hear the sound FX when Devon said “Almost as good as me”. Sounds like a dig at him.

  • Hornacek

    So if the hadn’t eaten that many cheeseburgers, would they have not gotten their letters?

    • purplerockandy

      No, a production assistant would have shouted off camera “HEY, I WONDER WHAT’S UNDER THOSE BUNS”

  • Marlin M.

    so now people just walk upon clues?

  • PurpleTally

    I know I’ve been teaching Kindergarten, because I was able to read that letter from Ben’s son way too easily.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Ben’s not doing a great job to staying calm, cool, and collective.

  • Marlin M.

    this feels really contrived.

  • the sky is falling

    so jaded on survivor edit. I know when they show someone searching for an idol, it means they find an idol

  • Streets_Ahead

    Wow someone finally taking notice of the inability of people to keep secrets.

  • BadPlayer91

    EVERYONE, BEN IS A MARINE! OKAY, DID YOU HEAR ME? DOES EVERYONE UNDERSTAND? BEN. IS. A. MARINE!!!!!

    • Ryan Bilger

      AMERICAAAAA

  • Hornacek

    So what if someone else walks by and finds shards of that clay pot on the ground?

  • Marlin M.

    Omg I want that!!

  • Taako From Teevhii

    As good as that would taste, aren’t there better incentives for an Eat or Compete? It’s all sugar (and some protein I guess).

    • Marlin M.

      good incentive for sweet tooth people.

    • Diego Armando

      I don’t think Lauren would have won it so it makes sense for her to sit out. I think Devon probably would have won giving his surfing background, though.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Counterpoint: Lauren makes her living on a boat, so she potentially has a leg up on other people.

        • Diego Armando

          True. I’m not sure her body type is helpful for this type of challenge. Probably better to eat and let the others play. Especially if you have no preference for who wins.

      • Maritimer

        I feel like Devon is making effort to hide himself as a physical threat, so sitting out may make sense from that angle (without JP though, he’s kind of got nowhere left to hide)

        • He can hide behind Challenge Beast Lauren, obviously.

          • Maritimer

            Lauren could win every immunity from here to eternity and people would STILL consider Devon a bigger challenge threat because of….reasons

  • the sky is falling

    Ryan should have eaten. he is lookin like Jack from Nightmare before christmas

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Isn’t it also a bit much that three of the four people who went on the reward decide to sit out? Way to not signal your sub-alliance guys.

    • Something Quirky

      I’m hoping at some stage Ashley told them off for that.

    • Hornacek

      But those three were so hungry!. They hadn’t eaten since … oh, right.

  • Streets_Ahead

    Jeff no one cares that it’s one healer and one hustler. Please just stop with that crap.

  • PurpleTally

    If I’m eating that peanut butter, I’m digging through it for a clue, the way this season is going.

    • Marlin M.

      Haha

    • Violina23

      HA! Nice.

      I would probably be like “fuck that” because I hate peanut butter. (Yep, I do. Come at me)

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I don’t think they’d give an extra reward for choosing to sit out a challenge. Maybe for an endurance challenge that would be the incentive, like with Stephen and the vote steal in Cambodia.

  • BadPlayer91

    BUT IS JP THE VOTE? WHY? FOR WHAT REASON IN THE WORLD?

    • Marlin M.

      maybe because he is a sure vote for Ryan and Christy’s side.

      • BadPlayer91

        But instead they COULD VOTE OUT RYAN OR CHRISSY!

  • For the time this season tribal council is up in the air. Will it Ryan, Chrissy, JP, Joe, or Dr.Mike?

    • Marlin M.

      Joe

      • the sky is falling

        No indication so far it’s him, but that would be a stupid vote out so probably

      • I hope it is him for fantasy purposes but it is up in the air.

  • Hornacek

    I’m surprised more players don’t try that challenge sideways like Dr. Mike did. Seems like it would be easier than putting one foot right behind the other.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    So none of the 6 noticed that JP wasn’t there?

    • Marlin M.

      I cant blame them.

    • Marlin M.

      I didnt notice until you said it right now.

    • Streets_Ahead

      Who is JP?

  • the sky is falling

    “boys on Mike Girls on Joe” uh… Phrasing!

  • Hornacek

    Oh good another vote split.

  • Ryan Bilger

    Is this…a good plan?

  • Taako From Teevhii

    This is either very good or very stupid. But even thinking of that elevates Devon from Fabio-status.

  • Streets_Ahead

    Acting shoes?

  • PurpleTally

    This has “backfiring split vote” written all over it.

  • Marlin M.

    If something doesn’t happen, Im going to be upset.

  • Hornacek

    Wait, Lady Liberty has become the court jester, and then become Merlin? This America vs England analogy makes no sense.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    If they cut to commercial right before Tribal, I’m speculating it’ll be a long segment. So something crazy is about to shake up this plan.

    • the sky is falling

      Looks like it’s starting at the normal time, nice theory though

  • BadPlayer91

    BEN’S MISSION EVERYONE! BECAUSE HE’S A MARINE! BEN. IS. A. MARINE! A MARINE!!!!

    • Gut feeling says Ben is going to be an awful Ozzy-like actor and blow his mission.

      • the sky is falling

        Stick to the plan!

  • PurpleTally

    I need someone to come map out this plan for me using little mini figures and charts.

    • Streets_Ahead

      No way. People who do that get voted out. Remember Michaela?

    • Hornacek

      And speak in Joe-language?

    • Maritimer

      How about Jeff with a screen and magic marker?

  • Hornacek

    Now Lauren says the 4th of July is happening tonight. Since when do English knights celebrate an American holiday?

  • BadPlayer91

    I still feel like it’s going to be JP and it upsets me. I want JP to lose because he’s dumb and dull, not because the other players are…

  • PurpleTally

    Y’all, we have to watch an entire second episode of these people being terrible at Survivor tonight.

    • BadPlayer91

      Lol, just realized that when they were finally going to pull off a legit vote split, they decided to attempt a blindside. We ain’t getting a proper vote split in this season…

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Random thought: would you blindside with a vote split? Ryan has the idol. Ryan and JP are voting for Mike and Chrissy is voting Joe. Do you split 3-2 to be safe?

        • the sky is falling

          Ryan has no idea he is a target, perfect time

        • BadPlayer91

          Like sky said, if you have confidence in your blindside, you have to believe Ryan won’t know and won’t play it. That all being said, I sitll think it’s JP…

  • the sky is falling

    Gotta give Joe and Mike credit for having fun out there

  • Salz

    Lauren: “JP’s a huge threat. He might not be good at balancing, but he’s good at everything else.” Besides maybe having a personality. And everything else that doesn’t have to do with being ridiculously good looking.

  • Marlin M.

    why is a crew member allowed to speak?

  • Hornacek

    Who is this block of wood next to Ryan suddenly talking at tribal?

  • Ryan Bilger

    They may as well just scream “WE ARE SPLITTING FROM THE SEVEN YOU GUYS!!!!”

  • the sky is falling

    Why are they voting for someone not on the show?

  • Hornacek

    The only one that talks while voting is JP? It doesn’t take a Dan Barry to see where this is going.

  • Marlin M.

    Why not Ryan? Why?????

  • Streets_Ahead

    This is the way that JP was always meant to get voted out of this game. And nothing of value was lost.

    • BadPlayer91

      BUT THEY COULD HAVE TAKEN OUT SOMETHING OF VALUE!

      • Streets_Ahead

        They should have. But if they did that we’d still have JP. I’d rather not have JP.

        • BadPlayer91

          But we didn’t have JP. He was barely in the show, now he just actually isn’t, and production has to find an entire Ponderosa out of that guy….

  • Marlin M.

    Hahahahha Chrissy’s face.

  • Ryan Bilger

    So now you have spooked Ryan running around with an idol instead of getting rid of him while he suspects nothing. Nice job, secret alliance.

    • Marlin M.

      I agree with you..

  • the sky is falling

    for once they use blindside hashtag on an actual blindside

  • BadPlayer91

    WHY IN ALL THE ACTUAL FUCK

  • the sky is falling

    I’m loving Joe you guys

  • PurpleTally

    Now THAT’S a blindside.
    *I* was blindsided.
    I didn’t even know JP existed.

  • Hornacek

    Chrissy and Ryan look way more disappointed than JP does.

  • Marlin M.

    i have to laugh at JP’s boot episode.

  • the sky is falling

    This is a weird extended post-tribal scene

    • Streets_Ahead

      I like it though. Something different and actually interesting in a season of things that mostly haven’t been.

      • the sky is falling

        Yes, I was surprisingly enjoying it a lot

    • Purplerockmatt

      they have done similar scenes in double episodes before

  • BadPlayer91

    I’m as frustrated by targeting JP and leaving Chrissy and Ryan in the game as i am overjoyed at watching Chrissy and Ryan nearly shit themselves on TV after 27 days of “I”m the best fucking thing out here”

    • Ryan Bilger

      Touche

      • Hornacek

        Cool beans.

    • the sky is falling

      Comeuppance episode always rocks

      • BadPlayer91

        BUT it should have been a comeuppance with CHRISSY OR RYAN GOING HOME!

        • the sky is falling

          Nah, it’s better, now they are sweating, way more satisfying

  • Hornacek

    I loved Dr. Mike and Joe holding their torches high as they walk out of tribal.

    • the sky is falling

      This episode guaranteed their return to me. they are the only guys having fun out there. it’s a joy to watch.

      • Hornacek

        They are the pair I didn’t know I wanted. They kinda look like brothers with their matching glasses.

  • gouis

    After the JP vote my wife just keeps uttering “what…why….wh….huh?”

    • Streets_Ahead

      Because he’s not good at balancing but he is good at lots of other things that don’t involve being interesting.

  • Mike Hirsch

    JP saying a grand total of one thing in his boot episode and not getting final words is about as on-brand JP as you could get. Well done, Survivor.

    • Marlin M.

      final words probably at the end of second episode.

      • Tiago

        Usually in double episodes they do final words and then the other ep. I have a feeling he won’t get any words. At least he is used to it

    • Streets_Ahead

      He said two things. He spoke at tribal council and he spoke in his voting confessional.

  • Hornacek

    I half expected Dr. Mike to mess up another tribal by telling everyone the plan to vote out JP.

  • Streets_Ahead

    Devon seems like he might be setting himself up for a fall here.

  • Marlin M.

    Devon seems really cocky right now.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Pecans in your key lime pie?

    • Streets_Ahead

      I guess Osten won’t be having any then.

    • BadPlayer91

      Same joke, but you were first. Well done.

  • Ryan Bilger

    LOL that team draw though (watch the red team win now that I say this)

  • Marlin M.

    LOL Ryan

  • Hornacek

    Oh man. I wonder which team will win . I guess if Dr. Mike makes it to the puzzle his team has a chance … *if* his team makes it to the puzzle.

  • BadPlayer91

    If you take the “And” of your “Key Lime and Pecan Pie” then you get a very different and less exciting reward…

  • BadPlayer91

    Okay, i’ll admit it. I love that Lauren is essentially this season’s challenge beast….

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Don’t doubt the upper body strength of a fisher.

      • BadPlayer91

        I just doubted she would be around long enough to show it.

      • Diego Armando

        She is definitely practical strength over gym strength.

    • the sky is falling

      I’m not a woman, but that looks like a painful log pushing strategy

      • PurpleTally

        I regularly use my boobs to close doors/cabinets/etc. There’s a lot of fat there, so it doesn’t hurt if you push with them strategically.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          So like opening/closing a door with your ass?

          • PurpleTally

            Essentially. If my hands are full, they’re always an option.

        • the sky is falling

          Thanks for the inside info, haha

        • forever1267
        • Ha, I met friends at the weekend in a low-cut shirt (on a freezing day) and they were all ‘isn’t your cleavage cold?’. No, it’s pretty well insulated…

  • Hornacek

    Only on this team would Dr. Mike be the dominant physical player.

    • Hornacek

      I spoke too soon – Lauren used her chest to push those logs. Ouch.

  • PurpleTally

    Lauren using her boobs to push the logs through. #WinnersEdit

    • StormofCuteness

      I loved it!

  • Marlin M.

    damn, I really thought the Red team was going to pull it out!

  • the sky is falling

    Potential advantagegeddon in play. 2 idols and an advantage out there

  • BadPlayer91

    So, are Devon and Lauren now FTC favorites? This season has been such a wild and crazy ride, except not wild, or crazy. It’s been a ride.

    • PurpleTally

      I can’t decide if it’s Lauren or Ben being set up as the final boot.

    • the sky is falling

      Cole won’t vote for Lauren, Desi and JP, maybe

    • Taako From Teevhii

      If we get Devon/Lauren/Ashley, do we finally get a tie?

  • Guys, can anyone explain why Ben is lying to Joe about this?

    • Taako From Teevhii

      To fuck with him?

    • PurpleTally

      Because they’re not solidly in the majority yet. And they need to not tip off the other side.

  • Marlin M.

    Im picking up Ashley boot vibes.

    • the sky is falling

      I’m all for that for show enjoyment reasons

  • Ryan Bilger

    Antagonizing Ryan and putting him into a corner when you know he has an idol…great move as ever by master strategist Mike.

    • the sky is falling

      Ryan was more bullshit in that exchange, he just voted Mike!

      • Ryan Bilger

        You’re right, but why not just say “yeah sure why not” and then dump him? I guess it could be a jury management thing, but I thought in general it’s better to say yes and not set up the rivalry. I could be totally wrong though.

    • Mike does know that Ryan has the idol. That something the big four are keeping to themselves.

      • Ryan Bilger

        Ah I think you’ve got it, thanks for catching that!

  • the sky is falling

    LOVING RYANS AND CHRISSYS DESPARATION, SUCK IT BITCHES

  • BadPlayer91

    So, has anyone on this season not said “This is my game to lose” or some variant? Maybe Lauren?

    • Streets_Ahead

      Desi and JP didn’t but they didn’t really say anything at all.

  • Hornacek

    Chrissy is literally in the swing-seat.

  • wonderand

    It seems like MAYBE by this point in the game you shouldn’t have anyone to whom you have to say “I know we’ve never talked strategy before but…”

  • So anyone wants to bet money saying Chrissy or Ryan wins immunity and screws up the majority’s plans.

    • Marlin M.

      ill put my money on Chrissy.

      • the sky is falling

        Winner winner chicken dinner

      • Hornacek

        You weren’t willing to put your money on challenge-beast Ryan?

  • the sky is falling

    I’m having a hard time focusing on this episode, Bitcoin is at $10k and I didn’t buy any 1 YEAR AGO WHEN IT WAS 700! This may destroy my brain

  • Marlin M.

    So Chrissy was bragging all the time about being in control and now she is crying because she is not.

  • PurpleTally

    Chrissy boot episode or Chrissy wins immunity edit?

    • Marlin M.

      chrissy wins immunity edit.

    • prettyboyprobst

      She wins and Mike goes, me thinks

      (I may be behind a few minutes)

  • Taako From Teevhii

    That challenge’s fucking evil, Kirhoffer.

  • Hornacek

    Devon has his pieces lying down on the thingamajig – why does Ben have his stacked vertically? Seems more difficult.

    • Hornacek

      Ashley gaming the challenge by carrying 8 pieces at once.

  • PurpleTally

    Devon hacked this challenge.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      And Ashley broke it.

  • Marlin M.

    Did not see Chrissy winning at all. *roll eyes*

    • the sky is falling

      They telegraphed that so hard

  • Marlin M.

    This is why you vote out Ryan or Chrissy last episode, dummies.

    • BadPlayer91

      EXACTLY

    • You get out Chrissy. She’s better at puzzles and she doesn’t have an idol.

      • BadPlayer91

        EXACTLY! JP was only the right move for us, the audience, and that isn’t a great thing…

  • Hornacek

    It doesn’t matter how physically tough the first 5/6 of the challenge is – it all comes down to the puzzle.

    • BadPlayer91

      Yeah. As soon as he said ‘solve a word puzzle’ i was like so none of this wheelbarrow shit matters at all? Great, i’m gonna make another drink..

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I can’t believe these people can’t work around basic Wheel of Fortune rules. Use the weird letter first! Figure out where the V is going!

        • the sky is falling

          I is a weird letter?

        • Hornacek

          Is it better to spell out the letters on the ground first instead of putting them in their slots randomly?

          • wonderand

            I vote yes. Quicker to manipulate, harder for others to see. (Also, “-able” is a pretty good suffix to pull out to start with in lieu of an -ing or -ed.)

          • purplerockandy

            My guess is that they’re not allowed to. It wasn’t spelled out to us, but I bet it is to them. For TV purposes.

  • BadPlayer91

    Lauren just looked like a golfer who had wondered on set…

  • Marlin M.

    doesn’t take much for Chrissy to go back to being smug.

  • Hornacek

    This seems early to have the immunity challenge over. This is the problem with watching the episode live.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    So this is where Ben being a double agent helps. He can try to sway Ryan to misplay the idol.

  • The more I think about it, the more I think JP was Ben’s call
    NOTE: I came in after the immunity challenge.

  • Marlin M.

    look at Ryan stereotyping. I cant stand him.

    • Also, isn’t he younger than Devin and Ashley?

      • Taako From Teevhii

        He just looks like he’s 13. He isn’t actually.

      • wonderand

        The generous reading of his complaint is that they’re too old to be surfers. (It’s still ridiculous.)

        • Yeah, that is really generous.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          That might even be a worse reading. Less condescending, but stupider.

        • Crappy

          They are not just surfers. Ashely is also a lifeguard. He was definitely playing up the dumb surfer bro dude thing with that comment. So satisfying to see him blindsided.

      • Marlin M.

        younger than Ashley, same age as Devon.

  • the sky is falling

    So Joe and Mike are safe, sweet!

    • Marlin M.

      I still think its one of them.

      • the sky is falling

        No chance

        • Hornacek

          Whoops.

  • PurpleTally

    So, @BarbaraTheWitch:disqus, you were asking why Ben was still faking it…this is why.

  • PurpleTally

    No, now is NOT the time to vote out Ben. STICK TO THE PLAN.

    • Marlin M.

      you like Ben?

      • PurpleTally

        I think it’s a bad move to eliminate one of your core alliance members before your alliance has the numbers. They can get him out at the next tribal.

        • PurpleTally

          And, with him playing the double agent, they’re able to predict the other side’s moves.

        • the sky is falling

          I’m about to win pick 4 on one of the most forgettable seasons ever, get rid of Ben!

          • PurpleTally

            Hey, I’m saying this as someone who needs Ben out if she has any chance of winning Champion’s League!

          • At least you are still in Champions League.

          • PurpleTally

            Representing the coven!

          • the sky is falling

            I just wanna win this one cause it’s the most Charlie Brown season to win, haha

      • Prom King

        YES

    • Crappy

      Agree, It would have been a massive overplay to take out Ben now. The trio would have handed too much power to the healer 2.

  • Hornacek

    What if Ben gets voted out just before he gets to drop his spy act? And Joe outlasts him? That would be the worst for Ben.

    • Ryan Bilger

  • Marlin M.

    has Ashley gotten this much airtime before?

    • Streets_Ahead

      Nope

  • Marlin M.

    If one of Joe or Mike go, I’m going to be disappointed.

    • the sky is falling

      Those 2 in FTC is the only way this season gets interesting

  • PurpleTally

    My gut says the Ben talk is a red herring.

    • Marlin M.

      agree.

  • BadPlayer91

    Bet none of you got the Chicagoland commercial for Uncle Julio’s Chocolate Pinata desert, where they give you a bat to break open a pinata made of chocolate and filled with deserts onto a platter covered in fudge! BE JEALOUS

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      That sounds kind of gross.

  • Streets_Ahead

    It was complacency.

  • Hornacek

    Ben said “last week” talking about the previous tribal. Jeff should have told him “These 2 episodes will be shown on the same night – just say ‘an hour ago.”

    • I bet Production tries to teach him that each tribal council is an episode and they are going home, even if they are just going to Ponderosa.

  • Marlin M.

    Joe and Mike are looking bad.

  • Marlin M.

    Joe is done i think.

  • Goddamit Ryan, shut your mouth. Most proms don’t work that way.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Shut up, Ryan.

  • Hornacek

    Dr. Mike had that surgery analogy written when he was still home.

    • Ryan had a bunch of his written down too.

      • the sky is falling

        all of them

      • Hornacek

        Ryan had a textbook full of them.

  • Did Ryan just waste his idol?

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Looks like it.

  • Hornacek

    Ryan obviously was busy with a bellhop internship on the night of his prom.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      They call it a fellowship.

      • wonderand

        (bellhowship)

        • Taako From Teevhii

          bellho(wshi)p

      • i and 1

        Youdotheshit

  • PurpleTally

    Okay, this season, but instead of Ben, you have Ozzy trying to pull off this lie.
    Instantly a top 10 season. Basically.

    • Well I can think of Survivor writer who would it their top ten seasons if that happened.

      • Diego Armando

        Better than Cagayon and Philippines!

    • jniedj

      Ozzy doesn’t have to lie. He’s an expert fisherman and no one there could survive without him.

  • Marlin M.

    I knew it

  • Ryan Bilger

    RIP Coco-Nuts 🙁

  • Hey Chrissy, you are still on the outside of the alliance. Also, you may need that jury vote.

    • the sky is falling

      She won’t get that far

    • BadPlayer91

      Yeah. In addition, if she had said that in a confessional, or with just an ounce of lightheartedness, it would have been a hit, but instead, it just come across as snarky.

      Like, imagine Cirie giving that line in a confessional and then giggling? That would be a joy, but Chrissy can’t pull that off.

      • Prom King

        She pulled it off for me, I loved it! She said it in such a wonderfully passive aggressive way. Good villain.

        • Head Architect Sylvia

          I agree. I don’t really care if she had no clue how the vote went, I thought it was the most hilarious comment of the night. He totally deserved it and I loved the snarky deadpan 10/10 very good.

    • Diego Armando

      Tyson, pulled that off, but Tyson was a funny asshole. I think Chrissy may only have half of those traits.

      • But even then, he had to apologize for it at FTC.

        • Diego Armando

          That he did.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          And it helped that it was when he was most vulnerable. Chrissy was safe.

          • Great point! He was truly caught in the moment. In a similar manner, Jeremy getting a bit cocky in the no votes counted tribal had a similar feel.

    • Crappy

      It is clear she has no social game. Her comment to Lauren about discussing strategy with her for the first time ever (!!!) was telling. No matter your strategic prowess, that is a very poor survivor player. I mean forget about trying to maintain relationships with those with the other alliance (which she should also definitely do), she has not even done it within her own alliance. Even if she had gotten to control the game her way with JP, Ryan and Ashley/Ben as her core alliance – I don’t think she would have gotten the votes at the end.

    • I think Chrissy is in the Hantz bubble: she genuinely just thinks the jury will reward her clearly superior gameplay if she makes it to the end, no matter how much they hate her.

      • The problem is that others can claim credit for her moves unlike Russell.

        • It didn’t work out so well for Russell even without anyone to share the credit with him.

    • purplerockandy

      OTOH, Joe is the one person out there that would probably appreciate the burn.

    • Oh hey and did you notice who Chrissy and Ryan targeted? Or more specifically what gender that person was?

  • You know we could have just had a really stupid 2-2-2 vote there if Lauren and Ashley went after Ben.

  • Marlin M.

    Chrissy and Ryan enraged me.

  • PurpleTally

    Well, I came into tonight expecting a Pagonging, and we actually got some of the most interesting* gameplay of the season.

    *the bar is low

    • BadPlayer91

      Lol, yeah. I was going to say “This week was definitely a step up from the rest of the season” but it isn’t hard to step up from “already being talked about as a bottom-ranked season”

      • Purplerockmatt

        Fuck it I’ll defend it. This was interesting gameplay for any season. Think about what Lauren and Devon did. They gameplanned a strategy for four people to take control of the game with 9 left and they did it without using any idols or other advantages, they just faked it. That is good gameplay and it is interesting gameplay

        • PurpleTally

          I actually agree. They’ve successfully used a double agent through TWO tribals, which is incredibly impressive, in no small part due to Ben’s excellent lying.

          • They did something that Ozzy couldn’t do.

          • Streets_Ahead

            Ozzy didn’t have his acting shoes on.

          • Also, Ozzy didn’t have Cochran on his side.

          • Purplerockmatt

            And Ben’s acting provided the key character moments to make what they were doing interesting strategically

          • daft

            I’m still shocked Devon came out with the plan, but you have got to admire the implementation, it was almost a Falstaffian two-part tragedy in how easily someone so competent as Crissy was blindsided.

        • wonderand

          Based *solely* on these two episodes, too, they seem to have a good sense for the proper balance between tricky, stunty things (Ben’s facade, not sharing all their intel with Joe and Mike) and too many double-crosses. I was really worried that the exhilaration of pulling off the JP vote was going to push them to do too much in the second vote, particularly once Chrissy was immune.

        • BadPlayer91

          I wasn’t really arguing that the gameplay itself was terrible, rather that I didn’t think either of these were amazing episodes of Survivor. Probably the two best of this season, but not a high level for the show overall in my opinion, and it’s certainly easy to be better then the rest of this season thus far. While I don’t agree with JP over Chrissy, I won’t argue the strategy was bad, and tonight was definitely entertaining.

        • forever1267

          It really affects my Fantasy Four with Ryan, Ben and JP, but it was fun, roller coaster of a double episode. Not gonna get me in the Top 20 episode, but memorable playing nonetheless!

        • Crappy

          I agree but IMO if they got rid of Ryan and his idol instead of JP, it would be an all time great move given they also had this side plan of Ben playing double agent.

        • Ms_Woozah

          I think I realized that faking it is the most enjoyable strategy for me to watch on Survivor. Really had a lot of fun with these two episodes.

        • God damn right. It was a LITTLE messy (I don’t care what anyone says, RYAN was the right vote in the first episode, that was riskier than it needed to be) but they pulled it off. Ben, Devon, and LAUREN MY GOD did extremely well.

          This is why I watch Survivor. Unlikely people forced to work together, learning to play the game together, and actually innovating. The second vote was a thing of beauty, so well executed. Double Agent Ben was fantastic, I can’t remember ever seeing anything like that before.

          If the rest of this season sucks as bad as the beginning did so be it, but that was an excellent two hours of Survivor.

          • Purplerockmatt

            if the rest sucks then I’ll just look back at this episode like I look at “It’s a Turtle” a terrific episode on a sucky season

      • Mike Hirsch
    • Something Quirky

      I see it as, at least these people aren’t outwardly horrible people on the show. Super mediocre, but not awful.

  • the sky is falling

    RIP Joe, see you in a couple seasons!

  • Marlin M.

    When people keep saying “this person is so dangerous” and then they keep leaving him in. If Ben wins this season, ugh.

  • Next week, it’s time for a @purpletally:disqus double treat with fake idols and family visits.

    • PurpleTally

      These are a few of my favorite things.

  • Streets_Ahead

    Will Chrissy and Ryan realize that Ben didn’t vote with them?

    • Yes but they will still go after Ben because he might be the swing vote next week.

  • Ryan Bilger

    Looking like we might have the best fake idol this side of Bob Crowley next week

    • Joe and Kelley Wentworth say hello.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I thought we established that Rupert’s fake idol was the best one.

        • That’s another contender.

        • the sky is falling

          How are you defining ‘best’? Imo, “It’s a fucking stick” will always be the best fake.

          • Hornacek

            Rupert’s rock required minimum effort (he put a rock in his pocket) and it worked without him having to tell or show it to anyone – they were going to vote for him, but changed their mind. Hard to beat that.

            If you’re judging “best” by entertainment standards, then “fucking stick” wins.

    • Hornacek

      David Wright also says hello.

    • jniedj

      Lionel Richie also says hello.

  • scrooge mcduck

    -Lol Chrissy and Ryan targeted Ashley, they’re going to try to vote out the island’s females until the bitter end.

    • I can sense the justification being that Ryan let Chrissy and Ben target their former ally first..

  • Marlin M.

    I dont like Ben but nice job by him with his acting.

  • Taako From Teevhii

    I can understand narratively why this was the double episode instead of Cole/JP’s boots. But my overall reaction to tonight was: “This was a nice change of pace.” *shrugs*

    • Purplerockmatt

      Straight up two good episodes. Man I am going to be repeating myself a lot along these lines in the comments i feel

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I recognize that it was objectively good, but it didn’t actually get to the point of feeling that.

        • Purplerockmatt

          once Ben started laying on the acting thick i was totally hooked. That is the kinda of character cherry I need on a strategy sundae

          • Roswulf

            I like that Ben’s acting was objectively terrible, and yet still good enough to hoodwink his “allies”.

            The power of creating a lie that actually makes sense. Unlike, say, the nonsense Ben was telling Mike a couple years ago. All hail actually-good-at-this Devon!

          • Crappy

            That whole arc was great IMO. That was genuinely a very good move by Devon.

        • Maritimer

          I’m kind of with you here. I’m still not attached to these characters, besides kind of Devon, so I was able to enjoy these episodes from a “hey this is fun and kind of good play” perspective but not with the attachment that really gets me into episodes/moves/blindsides

          • My two remaining Pick-4 players are Ben and Devon, so I am highly invested in episodes where they do well, despite the fact that there is literally no prize whatsoever for salvaging a mediocre pick-4 into an average one.

            What I’m saying is I’m starting to understand why people gamble.

          • Maritimer

            I have JP on pick 4 and was kind of sad when he got voted out, at which point I was surprised to discover I had any emotional attachment to him. So I’m right there with you

  • By The Numbers

    Is Joe now the first Survivor Joe to exit without receiving medical attention?

    • Yes, he is. Congrats Joe!

    • Taako From Teevhii

      What are you talking about, he played almost the entire game with a doctor at his side.

    • purplerockandy

      Did Joe Anglim receive medical attention in Worlds Apart?

      • By The Numbers

        No, but he did in Cambodia. So I guess technically he was voted out without medical attention, but he ended his Survivor run with medical attention

        • Hornacek

          Didn’t Dr. Abi-Maria diagnose him with acute smelliness?

        • purplerockandy

          I’ll allow it.

  • Diego Armando

    Finally, a good episode. I think they should have taken out Ryan, but they navigated the fallout well. It’s weird, I could probably see any of these seven winning.

  • Diego Armando

    Somehow, Devon, Ashley and Lauren are the best players of the season. Who saw that coming?

    • F3?

      • Diego Armando

        I would like that.

      • Mike Hirsch

        I feel like Ben’s idol will screw up that dream.

    • And I can see the scenario were those three would be next three out if they don’t manage Ben well enough.

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I think they recognize that they need to ax one of Chrissy, Ryan, and Mike before they even risk cutting Ben loose. But that won’t stop them from getting Ben spooked.

        • That why I said manage Ben to make sure he doesn’t get spooked. I think Chrissy and Ryan can manage to convince Ben to work with them if he get spooked enough.

    • Prom King

      They were really good for two episodes, but Ben & Chrissy & Ryan have been good for nearly all of the other episodes. My jury is still out, but it’s hard for me to imagine a world where Devon and Ashley somehow manage to outsmart all three of them. I mean kudos if they can, but can they? I dunno.

      • purplerockandy

        Your steadfast commitment to go down with the Chrissy ship is… something?

        • Prom King

          I’m loyal if nothing else!

          • Hornacek

            Chrissy is all I have left in my fantasy league. I am going down with the Chrissy ship!

          • Prom King

            Like a fool, I switched her out at the last minute with the player I found to be the most attractive (Ali). I literally do this every season I’ve played and have yet to learn from my errors. Prom King, think with your head next time, not with your um heart.

            All I have left is Ben. Go, King Arthur, go! Get that grail!

          • Hornacek

            Now the next time they go to the tribal council set, I want someone to say “It’s only a model.”

  • Mike Hirsch

    So, these two episodes were a big plus for Lauren: she puts a crack squad together, allows Devon to come up with a complex, but not convoluted (looking at you, Mike) plan, and they execute two votes in a row, breaking up the JP-Chrissy-Ryan trio and then getting Joe out of the way while also flushing out Ryan’s idol.
    Now, could they have taken Ryan out instead of JP and not had to worry about the idol? Yes. So, um…yeah. Moving on!
    I mean, ultimately it worked out for them anyway, but way to have to put extra effort into making sure that worked.
    These episodes went a long way toward making the rest of the season feel like it could be worth watching. I’ll take it.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Taking out JP instead of Ryan was a definite mistake, but honestly the sleeper agent was a good counter to it because then you could know where the idol was going. Shouldn’t take that risk, but decent mitigation considering

      • Mike Hirsch

        Yes, it was a good option to call once they apparently set their minds to JP. So good on Devon for that plan. And good on Ben for his performance.

      • I guess JP, as the least objectionable of them, had the best chance of working his way back in (/being picked up as someone’s pocket vote), alongside his status as a challenge threat?

        I’d still rather Ryan had gone home, but if you want to make sure Joe and Mike aren’t going to go rogue on you, denying them JP as an option isn’t the WORST move, maybe.

        • Prom King

          It was certainly the best move for the viewers! JP adds nothing to any story.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      So Devon’s the mastermind, Lauren’s the muscle, Ben’s the mole, and Ashley’s … the getaway driver?

      • Mike Hirsch

        She’s sitting there listening to Dave Brubeck while the plan’s being explained, but she’s good.

      • Purplerockmatt

        Maybe that is precisely what I enjoyed so much, this seemed like a heist

      • Maybe she’s the hostage who is slowly getting Stockholm Syndrome.

      • Diego Armando

        She’s the WILD CARD!

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Well done!

      • Hornacek

        Ashley = Baby Driver

      • Ashley is the honey trap, and I can’t wait for Devon to order her to seduce Ryan.

    • wonderand

      Could they have taken Ryan out instead of JP? Yes.
      Would the second episode have been as enjoyable if JP had been the one scrambling? (What does a JP scramble even look like?) Probably not.

    • Streets_Ahead

      I think I would have gotten rid of Ryan too. But an idol is only a threat to be used once a challenge threat could win any time. Also there isn’t much to go on but I have to think JP is more likable than Ryan as well so possibly a bigger threat in FTC and possibly latching onto a new alliance. But maybe I just find him annoying.

  • Blurry Denzel

    I can’t be around here tonight but I had to laugh at John not being in contention in the Outcast league anymore. Guess you have to mention others now.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      He lost both of his players in one fell swoop. @SNPalsy:disqus is going to be ragging on him for days.

      • Purplerockmatt

        Oh man these really were the two best episodes of the season!

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        I already called out sick for tomorrow and cracked open a new Moleskine in anticipation of a glorious Thursday!

    • No way!

    • Got both of my predictions correct, though.

      • Blurry Denzel

        I don’t care about that. Your predictions aren’t getting me to the Champions league.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Neither are your choices.

          • Beat me to it.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            If you put it on a tee for me, I’m gonna swing at it.

          • Yes, I’ve seen you in the batting cages.

          • Blurry Denzel

            Lauren is about to dominate the rest of the way.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Ohhh! I feel like I’m about to watch a kid find out that Santa isn’t real!

    • Purple Rock Emma

      He’s just going to talk about how smart I was to draft OWD.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Let’s us try and come up with JP’s final words, since the show didn’t bother to.
    I’ll start:

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Y’know

    • Marlin M.

      *crickets*

    • Ryan Bilger

      Dang

    • Mike Hirsch

      Actually, we all can be reasonably sure they probably were something like, “I needed to do a better job in all three facets of the game. You know, offense, defense, special teams, all could’ve had some improvement. I’m on to All-Stars.”

      • Diego Armando

        Cat typing.

    • Diego Armando

      I played as hard as I could, but they really brought it. There were some tough calls that I didn’t agree with, but that is par for the course. I will try to do better next time.

      • I really left it all on the field out there. That’s just the type of competitor that I am. Unfortunately, today just wasn’t my day. Those guys played a heck of a game and they deserve all the credit.

    • Kingoftonga

      His Ponderosa is going to be like a silent movie.

      • Marlin M.

        in black and white.

        • Purplerockmatt

          In the Magnificent Seven, Steve McQueen only has like 7 lines. That is 7 more lines than JP had this season

          • Mike Hirsch

            I don’t want to be that guy, but Robert Vaughn and James Coburn. McQueen talks a lot.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            McQueen gives a lot more knowing looks and nods and finger signs than he has lines. It might actually be only seven lines. They’re just all awsome.

          • Mike Hirsch

            “We deal in lead, friend.”

          • Mike Hirsch

            Stephen King repeatedly misquoting that line in The Dark Tower books pisses me off more than anything else in the whole series.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            The ending pissed me off more than anything else in any series.

          • Purplerockmatt

            oh we will get into this, Steve McQueen very, very rarely speaks, but he hogs the camera with looks and nods as Palsy says. Magnificent Seven is one of my favorite westerns

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Have you seen Battle Beyond the Stars?

          • Mike Hirsch

            LAZULIIIIIII

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            “Live fast, fight well, and have a beautiful ending.”

      • Mike Hirsch

        I hope there isn’t one for him.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Or maybe it’s just him reading the menu for eight minutes.

          • Marlin M.

            him reading the menu in his mind.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Just us watching his brow furrow and his lips move…

          • i and 1

            Or hectic piano music, while he holds the black & white menu text up to the camera.

      • Hornacek

        Would this be the first Ponderosa video where the majority of the talking scenes are from the other jurors?

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I’m imagining a 4 or 5 minute shot of the ocean followed by credits.

    • corndogshuffle

      Got voted out. They tell me this place is called Ponderosa. We’ll see what happens.

    • Hornacek

      I would have liked it it had just cut into him already talking and all it showed was him saying “… and things like that.”

    • jniedj

      “I had a splendid time on Survivor, my darlings. To me, this experience directly explored the parallels of human biology and social psychology, as I first explored when I was writing my fourth novel, “Influencing Your Peers: The Paradox of Decision Making,” which ended up winning me my second Caldecott Medal. I am utterly humbled to have had this opportunity to analyze the personal relationships and bonds that were created on this island, and I fully intend to use my newly gathered knowledge in my future scientific research endeavors to continue to make the world a better, more well-informed habitat for me and my fellow human beings. I vow to dedicate the next 6 years of my life to continue my efforts in uncovering the cure for cancer, as well as finishing up the construction of my time machine. As I always say, ‘Work hard in silence. Let success make the noise.’ ”

      -JP’s Final Words, probably

  • Hornacek

    If I was ever on Survivor and played an idol, I would be sure to tell Jeff “I don’t know if I need to play this tonight, but better safe than sorry.” I’d never say something confident like “I know I’m the target, and I’m not going home tonight” because 99% of the time I wouldn’t get the most votes and look like an idiot for wasting my idol.

    • Diego Armando

      I don’t fault Ryan for playing it. Better to secure you stay than risk it.

      • Hornacek

        Agreed, but if you play it and act like “Oh, you thought you were gonna vote me out tonight? Well, howdoyoulikemenow?” you looks foolish in front of the other players, the jury, and the viewers.

    • Streets_Ahead

      Agree. At this point I couldn’t help but play to the cameras if I were on the show if in just trying to avoid saying anything that would make me look extra stupid.

      • Hornacek

        I’ve often said that if I was on the show, every one of my confessionals would be peppered with “I have no idea what is going on”, “I am not in control of anything”, etc. So any success I had would appear to be a happy accident, and if I was blindsided I would not look like a cocky tool.

    • These Words

      I would just go with my mom’s favorite kind of logic: if I hadn’t played it, they all would have voted for me.

  • Marlin M.

    so I’m listening to RHAP and he said he would only be speaking with Joe because JP has limited availability. lol I think limited words is the right answer.

    • forever1267

      I’m really wondering if CBS pulled this double episode just so that they wouldn’t have to haul Mute (but Hawt!) JP around SocialMediaVille. Joe will certainly make up for the dead spots!

      • I also wonder if they were especially worried that JP would give away who won.

        • Yeah, JP will be answering three questions for you only, via email, and they’re all going to be checked by CBS beforehand. That’s if they’re not straight-up writing them for him.

    • Hornacek

      When Rob said this, Stephen quickly added “limited verbal availability?”

  • Hornacek

    Did we see Lauren at the first reward eating a burger with no top or bottom bun?

    • Marlin M.

      no top

      • Hornacek

        I didn’t see a bottom either. It looked like she just had the pattie and some lettuce (and condiments).

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          It looked like an open-faced sandwich to me. An extremely awkward to eat open-faced sandwich.

    • Streets_Ahead

      I saw that too. And wondered why someone would go no carb/glutton free even on survivor. On the other hand I have a limited amount of stomach space and I’d rather use it on meat and stuff than bread.

    • StormofCuteness

      We saw her eat that after we saw her eat a normal chesseburger with a bun. Maybe she just didn’t have room for more bread?

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Those buns looked way too fluffy for how thin the burgers were. I was thinking I would have at least done open faced burgers myself.

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    Much better Survivor play tonight! Does anyone think that these last few episodes can drag this season out of the bottom tier? Does anyone think it still has time to become top tier?

    • Marlin M.

      maybe & no

    • Taako From Teevhii

      No way it can get to top tier, but it can be a solid B season if what we saw tonight keeps up through to FTC.

    • Diego Armando

      It can’t get top tier, but can escape bottom 10.

    • Streets_Ahead

      Maybe and depends on what you mean by ‘bottom tier’. Not a top tier season and no chance of it. A top tier season is at least enjoyable basically every episode. Clearly failed on that. Even a season recent like SJDS which I really enjoyed the end game of and had at least on really good pre-merge episode. I don’t think this season can reach that level and that season is firmly bottom half for me.

    • prettyboyprobst

      I’m not an expert season ranker, but I also don’t think that it can still get to top tier. I’m fully satisfied with the double episode and where it leaves things for the next week, though.
      Ben as double agent being in danger of being double crossed, but having an idol, that no one knows about, to defend himself should he get a hunch that anything is amiss, is really good stuff.
      And then there are Chrissy and Ryan, who were played for 2 full episodes and still are not any wiser about what’ is happening around them (ok, I feel a little bad for Chrissy (and JP – he didn’t deserve to be blindsided, poor Mr. Peanutbutter) and she also gave Ben a long look after the second vote, so she may have started to realize sth. is up right there).
      Dr.Mike giving it everything he got (including statements about his standing in the game, that he will surely regret looking back), but still not getting any traction is tragic, but also keeps me interested, as does the surprisingly ambitious and competent play of the foot fetish four (that’s what we call them, right?).

      • It didn’t help that Ben started cheering when Joe got voted out. Yes, he could have played it off as he was excited that someone from the other side was voted off, but it was still a little too much because Chrissy and Ryan voted for Ashley.

        • prettyboyprobst

          I thought that reaction fitted both, his true emotions and his play-acting. But he should have voted Ashley if he wanted to keep the cover up, so I guess they’re not really interested in keeping that ruse going. Still could try to explain it as a last minute tip of doubtful reliability that had him change his vote to Joe, though (because why not, if he’s possibly an option – that’s not betraying C+R).

          • Roswulf

            But if Ben votes Ashley, it’s a 3-3-2 tie.

            The subterfuge paid off- letting them win a vote at 8 with only four people in on it, while saving the extra vote. But this was the time to let it go.

          • prettyboyprobst

            You’re right, I counted Ben’s Vote twice. He had to vote as part of the four.

      • Prom King

        I’d upvote you for the parentheses within the parentheses alone, but I also agree with everything you’ve said. Well said!

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          For the record, though, Cole is Mr. Peanutbutter. JP is, I dunno, Vincent Adultman.

      • Other Scott

        For me this season is Vanuatu-ing all over the place – which is kind of the ceiling. I mean I think Vanuatu is a borderline top 10 season but that’s because the last 4 episodes of the season were absolutely killer. So I think if this season continues to kill it like it did last night, it can get almost there.

        In other words, it can’t reach top tier but top half to top third is still in reach if it’s amazing (like one of the best stretches in the history of the show) from this point on.

    • Prom King

      Could happen and no way.

    • Max_Jets

      I think the last few episodes have to be pretty weak to leave it in the bottom tier. It’s pretty average for me now. Top tier? Unlikely, but it could come close to the top 10 with a really great endgame.

    • Crappy

      I think the 2 episodes were good. If it has a strong finish now and has a good winner in someone like Lauren, then I can see it being top of the bottom third in seasons ranking. Basically above likes of South Pacific, Game Changers, Fiji.

    • i and 1

      Early eps were relatively boring. Last week, Mike made a bad decision, I’d say, but not anything worth moaning about too much, there are bound to be less than perfect moments, players don’t know everything and getting it a bit wrong can lead to a big miscalculation. He’s not the first, I just think 8t stood out maybe as the first interesting thing for a lot of viewers.

      Anyhow, these two eps tonight amounted to one of the best nights of Survivor I have seen in ages. Lauren was great, strong strategically and challenge wise, and of unimpeachable character, and not in any apparent danger at all. Ben, wow, what a dramatic turn towards a doomful slope now following a pristine performance as a spy—I’ve never seen better on the show in that regard; and so kudos to Devon for that! And for a good game in general by Devon. I want to say that Ashley is super attractive at whatever week this is, but can she pull Devon or enough others away from Ben? Or is Devon happy to let Ben go, now that his spy plan is done…

      Anyhow, I’m excited to see Ben scrambling against odds, a possible extended James Bond storyline in this suddenly rich season!

    • Maritimer

      I think the best it can do is bring itself back to replacement level Survivor around Panama if the end game is interesting

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      I had been saying HHH’s upside is SJDS on the assumption that Probst was being truthful when he said it has an exciting finish. In the predictions post comments yesterday I started wondering if HHH could turn into Gabon 2. I’m happy to say the SJDS scenario is a lot more likely now. So somewhat below average but well out of the bottom tier, maybe 16th-20th? But a lot is riding on how it ends.

  • I still remained enraged at the strategic incompetence of this group- with the exception of Devon, who always has been and always will be my favorite.

    But at least we got two decent episodes, even if I was angered by the decision making.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Just out of curiosity, about what time will you be posting the fantasy league stats tomorrow?

      • Oh, did I not tell you? Fantasy league is cancelled now.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Well that sucks. Can we do another poll about theme songs then? I feel like Diff’rent Strokes is a Tyson win waiting to happen. Third time’s the charm!

          • Blurry Denzel

            Until they put it up against The Jeffersons.

          • I love The Jeffersons theme. Like it’s good as a song, not just as a TV theme.

          • That’s gonna take some diff’rent votes to win. The world seems to move to the beat of just one drum on that particular topic.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I have some plans in the works.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Hacking the servers and hijacking the election? I expected so much more.

        • Diego Armando

          It better not be. I still have an intact Pick 4.

        • It’s a birthday present that I have always wanted since last week!

      • StormofCuteness

        *hahahahaha* Sorry, John, but it is kinda funny.

    • Devon is a good player who if he was on another season would probably do just as well as he did this season.

  • Hornacek

    Don’t know if this has been posted here yet, but on KIA Rob announced that he would only have an exit interview with one of the two people voted off tomorrow … don’t worry, Joe will be on the exit interview. Apparently CBS says JP has “limited availability” and Rob can only email him 3 questions. So we won’t get 15 minutes of Rob asking JP questions and trying to get anything out of him besides “and things like that”.

    • Streets_Ahead

      I’m honestly not sure if this is an elaborate joke or real. Congrats!

      • Someone else posted it down below…it’s real and it’s happening.

        • Streets_Ahead

          Wow. So boring they won’t let him be interviewed. Weirdly impressive.

          • They let Wes and Alec get interviewed, but not him.

          • Prom King

            At least those two made me smile. JP inspired zero emotions. Entropic JP.

      • Hornacek

        Rob really did say this. Also, when he said that CBS told him that JP had “limited availability”, Stephen asked “limited verbal availability?”

  • free7694

    If Ben was older and Devon was fatter, this majority alliance would be the Tagi Four all over again.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Except that this alliance isn’t going to make it to final four.

    • Roswulf

      I don’t think any of us saw the “Devon is hot Richard Hatch!” pitch coming before tonight, but sure, I can see it.

      I could also see Lauren giving good Sue Hawk speech, if it comes to that.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Devon = Hatch is quite a stretch, but the matches for the other three are uncanny.

        • Hornacek

          Ugh, don’t say “Hatch” and “matches” in the same sentence.

      • the sky is falling

        Except there won’t be speeches anymore. It’s the stupid open forum format now.

        • Prom King

          I’m glad! At least for now. It has been many seasons since the Q&A was an actual Q&A. Final tribal councils have been annoying to me for years, thanks to people like Spencer.

        • Hornacek

          The open forum format still allows for jury members to make speeches. They just have to worry about other jurors immediately responding to what they said.

  • Roswulf

    Well, that was a lot of fun. Stuff happened, strategically interesting stuff to boot, and it was the kind of stuff (secret agent Ben! Telling Chrissy and Ryan to go away! Cutting the total dead weight of JP!) that is also appealing TV.

    I’m not sure what this means for the ranking of this season. But I know I’m very excited for next week.

  • I quickly glanced through the Dalton Ross Probst interview for this week and Dalton asks Probst about looking at his feet during challenges (which I feel like pops up once a season in the Q and A session) instead of the JP boot. I would have loved to hear Probst’s thoughts about that.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      What?

      • What is your confusion?

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Probst stares at his own feet and doesn’t watch challenges?

          • Sorry, I mean when the castaways walk in.

          • Indeed. He narrates the challenges by using the Force to see what is going on while not looking at it.

  • prettyboyprobst

    Spoiler Warning: Skip the 9:04 entry in the live blog if you’re reading along while watching.

  • forever1267

    But… but… that personality full of Abs?!?!? We never got to hear his scintillating goodbye speech full of Abs?!?!?! #OneNote

    • Kemper Boyd

      He looked kinda good on the jury bench

  • forever1267

    Honestly, if I were on the bottom, and peanut butter and chocolate was the alternative to playing for immunity, AND I know how bad my balance is (it will not be my forte whenever I finally get on this show, I promise you), I really really don’t know what I would do. That’s some dark night of the soul stuff there.

    Go home… or peanut butter and chocolate…. ??? That’s just Shakespearean to me!

  • StormofCuteness

    Loved your blog @PurpleRockMatt!

    Also, before I read comments, as one of the few who has been a big Lauren fan since about the 2nd episode, I am feeling very vindicated! She is pragmatic, a challenge beast, and willing to do what it takes to win–plus she doesn’t put up with fake-ass non-women aligning players like Chrissy. YAY!

    • Prom King

      You should definitely feel vindicated! She really came through this episode. It was actually the first episode where I’ve enjoyed her, and I really really really enjoyed her. It probably helped that I realized she has a similar personality to most of my closest friends.

      • StormofCuteness

        She totally has the personality of the people I like best in the world. It’s a pity I didn’t recognize it from her pre-show stuff. Like most, I was convinced she’d be one of the 1st gone…then she dealt with Patrick, and I adored her!

        • Prom King

          I wish I had more people like Patrick in my life, I’d laugh a lot more instead of just smirking! Not that I am down on my Laurens of course.

          • StormofCuteness

            Your admiration for Patrick is mystifying to me. He made me crazy in that 1st episode. So much so that I immediately bumped him from my team.

          • Prom King

            People like Patrick are like the light of day to me; their goofy light-heartedness is refreshing and invigorating. I love their outlooks. But I’m more of a night person and tend to gravitate towards darker, less yay-positive type personalities.

          • StormofCuteness

            Err, I like good-hearted and fun, but Patrick came off as obnoxiously unaware of how his behavior affected others which I can not stand. Sorry, we really saw him differently.

        • Diego Armando

          I think her extremely straightforward personality, combined with a deadpan sense of humor is hard to translate on screen.

          • StormofCuteness

            Maybe so, but I definitely saw that in her by the 2nd episode so…

    • Agreed that you should feel vindicated. I definitely did not see this coming from Lauren, and I’m impressed.

      • Crappy

        I am the same with Devon. I disparaged him last week but he showed good strategic chops this episode, other than the JP boot decision. A lesser player would also have stuck with Ryan. He would also be a decent winner for me at this stage.

      • StormofCuteness

        It does feel good to finally have something to crow about!

      • Diego Armando

        I am too. When I saw the cast, I had her pegged as her tribes first boot. She is this seasons Sue Hawk-Archetype (tough-as-nails older woman working in a predominantly male industry) and those women rarely make it far in the game. I also thought there was a good chance that if she went far, she would be the Denise WSAL (blindly loyal and easily disposable).

        She has demonstrated true agency,which is something I value in a player (that is why people who say inert Michele is a better winner than trying-and-failing ADAM are wrong) and has taken utilized every piece of information and advantage she has gotten. Good for her and I am really happy to be wrong!

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      She beasted that 2nd reward challenge! She was carrying her whole team! I like Lauren and would be happy if she won, but I definitely tip my hat to you for seeing her potential early 🙂

      • Roswulf

        On that front, I loved the moment of Chrissy talking about how the challenge was FUN, and Lauren *who did all the work* looking at her with contempt.

      • Hornacek

        During the boat part it seemed like Dr. Mike was doing most of the work, after Ryan tried to lift that first bag of logs and couldn’t do it, Dr. Mike was lifting all (?) of them. But once they got to the beach, it was Lauren beasting the challenge.

        • Diego Armando

          My question was why they sent Ryan after the bags instead of the obviously stronger Lauren?

          • Prom King

            Cause he’s all heart?

          • Hornacek

            I was actually thinking “I wonder if those bags weight more than Ryan does when Jeff said exactly that.

      • StormofCuteness

        Thank you, thank you! I am more than a little pleased myself. I hope she continues to defy expectations.

    • purplerockandy

      Honestly, you should be rubbing this in way more than you have so far.

      • StormofCuteness

        Oh, just that you even wrote this puts a huge ass smirk on my lips. *fist pump*

  • forever1267

    So, for the points, since Ben purposely voted Mike, even though he knew it would be JP, does that count as a point in his favor? #HopefulButReallyJustDesperate

  • purplerockandy

    Wanted to save this for the podcast, but I know that there’s no way that someone else won’t beat me to the punch (in fact, I haven’t read comments yet, so someone may already have).

    Here’s why you go JP over Ryan:
    -First, the new alliance has the perfect balance of two former Heroes and two former Hustlers. But, there were two OTHER former Heroes left (Chrissy, JP) to only one former Hustler (Ryan). Getting rid of JP keeps that balance intact, thereby potentially eliminating any potential paranoia for Devon and Lauren.
    -Second, the ONLY threat posed by Ryan is his idol. That’s it. He’s not going to disrupt plans by winning immunity. He and Chrissy are clearly not liked by anyone in the game, and thus are less likely to bust up the new alliance or work with Mike and Joe. JP could win a challenge or be used by people within the 4 to turn on the other 2 (like, say, Ashley). There’s plenty of ways to beat an idol you know about. Like… doing what they did.

    • Crappy

      That’s a decent defence but then why not target Chrissy over JP? I guess they deemed latter more likely to win the immunity. I still think getting rid of Ryan was the better move, idol can be worked around but you never know what a crazy move someone can pull off with a single idol as well. I think Devon was close enough with Ashely at least to not have paranoia about mismatch between Heroes’ and Hustlers’ numbers.

      • That’s the questionable element because we have already started to see the transition from purely endurance ICs to ICs that end with puzzles which is something that Chrissy is good at. JP is simply average on challenges.

        • Crappy

          4 women have won immunity challenges out of 5 this season. Worrying about JP as a big immunity threat has little basis IMO.

      • BadPlayer91

        Yeah, Chrissy over JP was my main argument. In reviewing her reasons for each, Lauren has to caveat JP being good at challenges by noting he’s bad at balancing. If you can’t cleanly say ‘he’s good at challenges’ then maybe you shouldn’t be too worried. Further, in the event that JP does win a challenge, you have plenty of targets, as shown in the second episode.

        If i’m taking a shot to blindside someone, i’m taking out the person i’m most threatened by, and I think Chrissy is far more threatening and dangerous to still have in the game then JP.

      • Roswulf

        I think Devon has two solid reasons to want to cut JP over Chrissy.

        1. Chrissy is more likely to win challenges than JP, but JP is more likely to steal a challenge win from Devon. There’s an advantage to being the only young buff guy.

        2. JP is the easiest person in the world for his current allies to use to blindside Devon. He’s a natural pawn, and a pawn that seems to be closer to Ashley/Ben than to Devon. Chrissy….Chrissy has a brain and clearly wants to have her own thing going. Ben and Ashley are therefore going to be more wary of using her as a pawn. So by keeping Chrissy, Devon ups the chance of making this final four the final four. And if this is the final four, Devon is in damn fine shape to win.

        • Crappy

          I think if you are starting a core 4 and already so suspicious of others in the group then you are in the wrong 4. Blind trust is bad in survivor but some trust is required to advance ahead. If Devon is ditching his alliance with Ryan than he has to believe that Ashley and Ben would chose him ahead of JP. Heck, by all accounts Ashley and Devon seem to be as tight as Ryan and Chrissy.

          Given current survivor challenges, it is impossible to predict as to who is or who is not likely to win the next challenge in first half of the merge. Anything other than a word puzzle at the end and I don’t believe Chrissy wins the last one.

      • purplerockandy

        Chrissy isn’t that dangerous. Everyone hates her.

        • Crappy

          And people are clamouring to work with JP? He is least likely to make something happen if you leave him in the game. Ben and Joe hate each other yet worked together for that blindside in episode 1 (albeit unknowingly to Joe). It was not out of question that 2 healers could try to switch up the play after that first episode. I guess Lauren’s advantage game them a cover for that but still I think taking out an idol with a blindside is always a better move here. This reeks of Fishbach overthinking in Cambodia and switching up play to boot Wigglesworth.

          • purplerockandy

            Working with JP would be the easiest thing in the world. It’s not about him making something happen. It’s about people making something happen with him.

          • Crappy

            If you believe Mike and Joe were more likely to work with JP then I would simply have to disagree there.

          • purplerockandy

            Cool. We can disagree. I feel like I’m in a good spot in this disagreement since we actually saw what happened when Ryan tried to work with Mike.

        • Diego Armando

          You have to kill the easy to work with goat in JP to ensure he does not take your spot in the Final 3. Chrissy is a player who is easy to rally people against. JP could also potentially clean up in the final challenges.

    • Head Architect Sylvia

      Fair points. Also presuming Devon drove the decision, it seems like he actually has a pretty solid relationship with Ryan, so even after blindsiding him, Devon can probably still depend on a desperate Ryan to be a back up/extra vote if necessary. He certainly doesn’t seem to have any real connection with JP or Chrissy from what we’ve seen.

      • Maritimer

        Yeah, this is what I though too. Keeping Ryan is good for Devon, it seems he can pull Ryan back in if he needs. Not so good for the other 3

    • Mike Hirsch

      Also, pulling in Mike and Joe as votes + backup elimination plan in case one of your targets has an idol and the other wins immunity turned out to be a really solid idea. Regardless of how one thinks about their plan, the execution of it was masterfully done on all ends.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Is Devon winning in a F3 v Chrissy and Ryan? Or is Lauren beating them?

      • Diego Armando

        Chrissy is Zero Percent. I think Ryan may still be in this, but his odds are low. I think it is between Devon, Lauren and Ben.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I don’t think he is particularly well liked despite his “amazing social game” because he seems to have done the same as Chrissy and ignored members of the 7 alliance.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      The plan pretty much only works with Ben as a double agent though. You need Dr. Mike and Joe in the dark to avoid a vote split at F8.

      • Roswulf

        Though you do have Lauren’s extra vote as a backup plan

        • Lauren’s extra vote might be enough to ensure a vote split next week at 7, which would make it worth saving it for.

          (Only if they can still get Mike to vote with them, obviously – if Mike decides to join up with Ryan and Chrissy in revenge then it could only transform a 4-3 split into 5-3 and, knowing this lot, another incompetent split vote).

          • Roswulf

            Absolutely (or you can use it to, say, blindside Ben safely at 6, or pull other useful shit), that’s why the double agent trick was such a good Idea.

            But I do give the alliance credit for not putting ALL their eggs in the Ben subterfuge. They had other cards to play if things went wonky. Plan A worked, but there was a Plan B.

      • purplerockandy

        Or you use Lauren’s double vote. Like, for real.

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      Counter – You say only threat like it doesn’t matter. His idol is a huge threat for the next vote. If his idol is out of the game, it doesn’t matter if one of the two left wins immunity – you still get to vote the other out. Ashley obviously wasn’t too tied to JP – if she was, she could have given their alliance the heads up. It’s not like she didn’t know about Ryan’s idol. More to come, gotta work

      • purplerockandy

        She wasn’t too tied to JP NOW. Talk to me again at the final five.

        And, you know, clearly Ryan’s idol wasn’t that big a threat. Weird thing to still be arguing this morning.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          I don’t think it is because Ryan and Chrissy are both still in the game. Also, so what if Ashley likes JP? Is the argument that she would then work with Chrissy and Ryan? Because if that were the case, why wouldn’t she have just done that before? 2 people is not an alliance, even at final 5. If the argument is that all they need is that 3rd person, then someone in that final 5 just made a bad strategic call by voting out JP. How is the fact that JP is unstrategic and malleable suddenly a bad thing? How is it suddenly better to keep strategic players who might actually be able to exploit cracks in your alliance around?

          • purplerockandy

            Because I don’t believe Ryan and Chrissy are actually able to exploit cracks in their alliance and I’m guessing neither do any of the people in that alliance. I think they actually really suck at this and aren’t threatening to anyone.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            That’s possible. But unlike JP, they’ll actually try. And if someone is smart enough to realize that a jury won’t vote for them, someone might actually listen. JP won’t do anything.

          • purplerockandy

            I think their attempts to try will help keep them from being dangerous. Because they’re not sneaking up on anyone.

            In any case, I just don’t understand how anyone can continue to argue that these people were stupid to not take out Ryan’s idol, when they very easily did so a few days later. Like, so easy. Laughably easy.

          • Diego Armando

            I was originally against JP over Ryan, but after they easily got rid of Ryan’s Idol, I came around. Why not take out the pleasant challenge beast instead of the geeky guy they tolerate and the brainy woman everyone hates.

    • Stop convincing me I’m wrong all the time. Ryan was the right choice damn it!

      Except maybe he wasn’t…

  • Max_Jets

    Damn, I loved these episodes! Part of it is the season long edit. I don’t remember ever having such a well balanced edit between a final 8. Now, I don’t need equal distribution in time, but I do prefer when we know where everyone’s head is at and I feel like we could see the game so clearly in these two episodes because of that. Beyond that, we saw some strategy playing out that I don’t think we’ve seen before with Ben’s infiltration. Seeing Lauren/Devon/Ashley trio playing everyone on a different level was wonderful. I think these were some of the best strategic episodes we’ve seen since Tony bamboozled LJ.

  • Prom King

    Ben: Double Agent was a great double episode. Especially following one of the more excruciatingly cringe-worthy episodes this season, courtesy of Dr. Mike at the last tribal. That was an embarrassing episode to make my friends watch over Thanksgiving. I don’t think I made any converts.

    Surf kids and awesome Lauren better manage Ben well, or it’s gonna be another flip next episode. Watch out, new alliance! King Arthur better not get wind of people talking about betraying him. Otherwise Chrissy le Fay and lil’ Mordred will swoop him up with the quickness. Oh and Merlin too I guess, although I see Dr. Mike as more of a Sir Kay.

    • StormofCuteness

      *applauds deep dive King Arthur analogy*

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I played Sir Kay in my 7th grade production of “Knights of the Rad Table”

      • Prom King

        I do see a lot of Dr. Mike in you.

        I love the play’s title!

  • Crappy

    I am fully aboard the Lauren winner train now. Said it some weeks ago and the first episode pretty much cemented her as a top contender for me since she got both strategic and personal content. More importantly, she has not had any negative content at all this season so far. Only other contender is Devon, who also got a lot of good strategic content in both the episodes but I still think he is missing some personal content. Or may be we will get that much speculated tie between Lauren and Devon.

    • Hornacek

      “she has not had any negative content at all this season so far”

      I think the red-headed viewers would disagree with that.

      • Crappy

        Heh.. point but I think editors intended it as a jokey comment and I am sure, as did she.

        • Hornacek

          She seemed very serious when she said it.

          • Roswulf

            I’m not sure Lauren’s great at coming across as jocular and playful.

            I’m choosing to read it as a silly joke (founded in personal hatred of Patrick) badly told- there’s some exit information suggesting that Patrick was jabbering about his red-headedness in a way that would explain her reaction, and, well, I want to root for Lauren.

    • Maritimer

      I’d agree with this. I was flipping between the two of them all episode. I’d say I’m like 95% sure one of those two is the winner now

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    How can my contribution be anything other than they suck at strategic voting?

    This isn’t to take away from lauren’s Successful and smart power grab. But the choice of target was stupid, as was leaving an idol in Ryan’s pants when he would’ve been caught unaware. And the two prior tribal vote splits, Jesus Christ.

    I do think that taking out Ben might not have been the worst call. Joe had no interest in working with Chrissy, and Ben’s a threat.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I’d counter that the four of Lauren, Devon, Ben, and Ashley had priority over other alliances so if you vote out Ben, everyone else only needs one to flip for you to lose power. Voting out Joe requires two people to flip

      • Maybe even three, depending on if Lauren will use her advantage and what side she is on.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        This is assuming that Ben wouldn’t flip. I’m not so sure that he won’t flip if it’s more advantageous to him.

    • By The Numbers

      In Joe’s Ponderosa, immediately after getting voted out he says it was a good thing because he was about to start flipping. He’s such a wildcard that getting rid of him is probably the best move

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        Valid. My concern is that Ben also has the potential to flip.

        • Max_Jets

          Joe actually says he was going to flip that very episode until they told him the extra vote plan. It might have been a lose lose, but they didn’t make a bad call or it was at least in a gray area to make it not terrible.

    • I think it’s probably the school of thought that says Ben will ALWAYS be too big of a threat – when it’s time, you’ll always find a majority of people willing to go with it. Finish executing the current plan before getting distracted by a new one.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        That’s a valid line of thinking – my concern is that Ben has the potential to flip as well AND the potential to win, as opposed to Joe, who can only flip. He can’t win.

        • Hornacek

          A great player once said “Flippers … never … win!”

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Yeah, I enjoyed this episode and was happy that things were getting shaken up, but when I step back I can see that the outcomes were not as exciting as the process. Poor, boring JP didn’t even get a confessional in his boot episode (that I remember?) and Joe’s pagonging was only delayed one round. The only positive thing I can say about Lauren’s new alliance’s choices is that from my perspective as a viewer, they kept the more interesting players around a little longer (and ‘interesting’ is relative here, obviously).

      • Hornacek

        “Poor, boring JP didn’t even get a confessional in his boot episode (that I remember?)”

        According to the Survivor Wiki, JP had the least number of confessionals in this episode … with zero.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        JPurple actually had quite a long confessional. That’s why I wasn’t completely surprised when his name started coming up during the vote reveal. But his confessional was as content-free as all his others, so no shame if you forgot about it.

        • Max_Jets

          I think you’re misremembering him talking at tribal as a confessional – but when he did talk at tribal I immediately thought he was going home.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            See, that’s how unmemorable it was!

      • Roswulf

        Yup, the results were unsurprising, but this was one of the the most entertaining paths to cutting Joe and JP to get to seven.

        Any time someone has an functional plan to win a vote with a plurality, I’m going to be happy.

  • gouis

    At least stuff happened?

  • According to Survivor Wiki, here is JP’s final words “Damn! They blindsided the **** out of me. Couple people flipped, happy trails to them and hopefully they go further in the game than I will. Survivor’s, you know, all about timing, and they beat me to the punch. Looking big picture, I think they pulled that trigger way too quickly. Life’s a journey — sometimes you win some, sometimes you lose some and, uh, they got me good. It is what it is.”

    • Hornacek

      ” … and things like that.”

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      He has a great future ahead of him as a public speaking instructor for coaches.

    • Mike Hirsch

      “Hopefully they go further in the game than I will.”

      Good news, JP…

    • Roswulf

      ….I have no idea if this is real or a very mean parody.

    • purplerockandy

      How in the fuck would the Wiki know this? Someone was just playing with it there.

      EDIT: oh wait, maybe bonus video.

      • Yeah, it was edited within hours. The Survivor Wiki is insanely good about not posting fake information. That is why Savage trusted it so much.

  • Hornacek

    If I were to ever play this game and got the opportunity to sit out a challenge for food and I did it, I would be telling everyone “Hey, I’m not confident at all with my position in the game – I just know that I have 0% chance of winning this challenge, so I am choosing food instead of coming in last or 2nd-to-last in the challenge.”

  • There’s actually another benefit, alongside the ability to misdirect Ryan’s idol, to Devon’s plan to have Ben act as the spy. By having Ben pretend not to be in on the plan, that cut him out of all strategic conversations with Mike and Joe – which also cuts him out of the /credit/ with Mike and Joe.

    Presumably Joe is now off on the jury telling everyone how Devon (and Ashley and Lauren) orchestrated JP’s blindside, probably while continuing to trash Ben. That could be a hard perception for Ben to course-correct if and when it comes out that he was acting the entire time. And even when he does, Devon can still claim ownership of that idea. It’s a pretty neat way of taking what would have been a group move (with Ben as perceived head) and turning it into something that he can tout as his own strategic play.

    • It can also benefit Ashley and Lauren too, but to a lesser degree. That is why it is so dangerous for Ashley to go to the end with Devon, even if she wants to. Their games are way too similar on paper, but Devon has made more relationships with that jury.

      • Which means Ashley would have to stick with Lauren and…who? Mike? Chrissy or Ryan? Everyone else would seem an even riskier final 3 partner, really.

        I can understand the appeal of doing this for Ben, anyway. It’s something to do, if livens the atmosphere for him when the days are mostly quite boring, and it’s a really bonding thing for his alliance to be sharing in this joke. It’s also gameplay that would probably play quite well to neutral jury members (Desi, Cole, maybe JP), and any other jury members who are really going to respect gameplay.

        Unfortunately most of those other jury members are looking at being some combination of Joe, Mike, Ryan and Chrissy, all of who might well feel humiliated at having been played like that, and disinclined to reward it if it’s a bitter jury. So it’s a high risk play that could either win him the game, or directly hand it to whoever of Devon, Ashley and Lauren both makes it there and manages to claim ownership of the move.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Presumably they’ll get rid of Ryan or Chrissy next, but after that I think Ashley is the most likely to turn on the alliance of four. As noted, she needs to get out from under Devon’s shadow, and just generally she needs to build up her resume more than the others. I think that Joe/Mike/Ryan/Chrissy contingent on the jury (plus JP) would look very favorably on whoever breaks up the four.

          • Other Scott

            I think you get rid of Mike next – he’s not a threat in the traditional sense but he’s the underdog with a massive following on the jury rooting for him.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Chrissy. Go with Chrissy. No one likes her. Plus I wouldn’t trust a jury to pick me if there was dude next to me. Except maybe Ryan.

          • Ryan’s jury question is “Will you go on a date with me?”

          • Kemper Boyd

            To all three of them?

          • Law of averages and all that.

          • Kemper Boyd

            This is going to sounds mean but they are all out of his league.

          • purplerockandy

            Spot the lie tho.

        • purplerockandy

          JP would’ve been a great option for Ashley.

          • Hornacek

            “That’s a good size, JP.”

          • Another good reason for Devon and Ben to boot him…

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I agree with this, and would even extend it to say that not only will Ben probably not get credit with the jury for those two votes, Chrissy and Ryan are going to be so super pissed at him if they find out that he was doubly betraying them. Flipping on them is one thing, but flipping and then lying to their faces for 6 days (or however many) while they think they’re bonding over shared hardship – that anger will be hard to overcome.

      • Absolutely. I bet Ben doesn’t realise this for a second, but I wonder if Devon does?

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          A case could definitely be made that Devon realized all of this on some level – after all, he just as easily could have made himself the spy.

          • Part of his argument was that Joe and Mike might not go along with the plan if they knew Ben was involved though, so it’s possible that there was a genuine argument for why it had to be Ben.

      • Prom King

        I can see that happening, but I’m really hoping that the gamers within them appreciate the play instead of hating the player.

  • By The Numbers

    JP’s Ponderosa is exactly what you’d expect, and it’s so great

    • “JP’s Ponderosa is exactly what you’d expect”

      I have no doubts.

      “it’s so great”

      Turns out, it was not exactly what I’d expect.

      • By The Numbers

        His awfulness circled back around to being spectacular

        • Mike Hirsch

          I would rate it similarly to the remake of Do It Again that was just released by Mike Love of The Beach Boys, featuring Mark McGrath of Sugar Ray. It’s not good to begin with, but then Mark McGrath shows up to shout “Do it!” and “Woo!” over and over, and somehow it goes from just “bad” to “wonderfully bad” and I ended up loving it.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Well the outcome of my trifecta prediction was pretty close, even if the way things went down wasn’t exactly how I laid it out. 2 out of 3 ain’t too shabby!

    • StormofCuteness

      I am quite impressed as I remember thinking it was ballsy.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Also as much as double episodes are fun, I’m a total wiener about staying up late so I had to go to bed as soon as the episode ended and I didn’t get to comment at all last night 🙁
    I plan on upvoting and commenting like crazy this morning though to make up for it 😀

  • Maritimer

    Did Ben expose his deception by voting with Devon et al? Or can he play it off? I guess the play would be “Devon (or someone) looped me in last minute and I didn’t get a chance to tell you guys”

    Also, I am here for needlessly, hilariously complicated plans but my other question is the risk/reward of the Secret Agent Ben plan: it worked, but in a better season, does looping Mike/Joe in carry more risk of them going to the other side than its worth? They hate Chrissy and Ben so it seems unlikely they would work with them but we’ve seen stranger alliances on Survivor

    • jniedj

      I don’t think it matters if Ben is exposed. They have an alliance of 4 and there are only 3 other players.

      • Maritimer

        True, they’ve gotten what they really needed from the Secret Agent Ben plan

    • Now that the idol has been played they might not NEED Ben to keep playing along? As I mentioned below, it kind of benefits Devon, Lauren and Ashley if they can convince him to keep it up, but once they decided to leave Mike out of the vote I think that kind of forces their hand in terms of revealing their alliance.

      • Maritimer

        Yeah, they got the big goals accomplished from the Secret Agent Ben plan and they did need his vote here to get enough votes on Joe so they were stuck. I’ll be interested to see if he can keep it up with them though

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I agree with everyone else that Ben no longer needs to keep up his act because the four make a majority. But I wonder if it benefits him to have some sort of excuse. Is this the sort of deception that is above and beyond normal lying on Survivor? IF Ben makes FTC, would he lose the votes of Chrissy and Ryan because of it?

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Ben mentioned the strain of keeping up the facade. Also Ryan and Chrissy are now in such a terrible position that if any of the four decide to make a move, including Ben, they can pretty much just dictate terms to Ryan/Chrissy.

      • Maritimer

        That’s an interesting question. They would both present themselves as players who can separate game from emotion but I’m not sure its actually true. I think they would both find a way to tie in up as bad social play or something and yeah, he probably burned their votes if its exposed

      • Roswulf

        I think this probably does hurt Ben’s relationship with Chrissy/Ryan- both in terms of FTC voting and his ability to work with them later.

        Which is another reason Devon sending Ben as the secret agent (rather than, say, being the secret agent himself, playing on his bond with Ryan) was strong gameplay.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          Do we think that Devon made that decision with this in mind, or was that a happy accident?

          • Hornacek

            It can be two … etc.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Not in this case. Either he was thinking of it or he wasn’t.

          • Hornacek

            Don’t confuse me with logic!

          • Roswulf

            I think it was at least part of his thought process. He had clearly decided not only that the secret agent plan was a good idea, but also that it should be Ben before presenting it to the group.

            And my read on Devon is that he at least was going to consider taking the glamorous spy role for himself, and made a calculated decision not to.because he understood that it could backfire on the double agent.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I’m trying to determine whether it was that or whether Devon thought Chrissy and Ryan were more likely to confide in Ben. Why would Devon be on the outs? Could he convince the other two that he truly was and get them to give him information as well?

          • The other half of the plan was that Devon thought Joe and Mike were less likely to go for a plan that involved Ben too. Ben as the spy served the double advantage of keeping him out of the way of the Coco-Nuts, and on the inside to manipulate Ryan’s play.

          • Roswulf

            Also very true I think my argument is that Devon made two distinct very good decisions.

            1. He came up with the double agent plan, which because of the numbers made a lot of sense.

            2. He picked the right double agent. I can’t tell you exactly why Devon decided Ben was the right pick- there are lots of pathways to get there. But I don’t think it was arbitrary, and I do think it ultimately helped Devon and hurt Ben.

            All hail Lord Devon.

          • Prom King

            I figure he thought it should be Ben because Joe and Ben openly dislike each other so it could be a challenge drawing Joe into an alliance if Ben were a part of that alliance.

          • Diego Armando

            It can be two things.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            As I replied to Hornacek, not in this case. Either Devon thought of it or he didn’t.

    • Hornacek

      During this episode Ben said more than once that after the second tribal he would be able to drop the whole “secret agent” persona. So I think the plan was always for him to drop the act after Joe was voted out.

  • Maritimer

    Also, Chrissy and Ryan not talking to other people in their alliance has to be the poorest, most arrogant play from the top since … what? the Rotu 4? You’d think a big Survivor fan like Chrissy would know to avoid falling into that trap

    • Mike Hirsch

      I was just talking with a coworker about how this felt a lot like the Rotu 4 all over again.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I’m jealous that you have a coworker who would even know what “Rotu 4” means

        • BadPlayer91

          Same. Though, I do have a coworker who loves Survivor and has been watching them all with his Son, but he’s too casual to know phrases like that. He always knows who you’re talking about, but needs a season and a description or an event they were involved with to remember them…

          • StormofCuteness

            Sounds like me.

          • Hornacek

            Maybe you and @badplayer91:disqus actually work together! Quick, each of you stand up in your office and yell out the other’s Disqus name.

          • StormofCuteness

            Psst, I am not currently working at all.

          • Hornacek

            My weekly productivity at work takes a dive on Thursdays during Survivor seasons.

          • StormofCuteness

            Hahaha, this was not a euphemism. I do not have a job. *envy me*

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      I put this in the category of nobody realizing a vote was missing a few tribals ago. It’s not good, but we have far more information than the players do, so it looks more egregious to us. Chrissy’s reaction to being deposed in the second episode was pretty terrible, though.

      • Mike Hirsch

        It was interesting how she tried to play that conversation with Lauren. Like, she was coming at her still kind of condescending, in my opinion, like, “Did Ryan tell you that you’re our third for Final 3,” but in a manner that seemed less from a position of begging and more a position of “Don’t fool yourself, Ryan and I are still in charge here.” Maybe she was trying not to look desperate, but the whole tone of it felt off.

        • “I might never have mentioned it before, or even talked to you ever despite you being in our alliance, but now we’re at the bottom and need your favour it occurs to me to mention that we were totally planning to take you to the final 3 with us all along. Honest. What’s your name again?”

        • Prom King

          Wonderfully off! She’s such an amusing villain at times. Even when she’s trying to form a connection, she’s still exudes a sort of judgmental Stepford Wife vibe. Love it.

        • StormofCuteness

          I don’t think those of us (me) who have disliked Chrissy for not being friendly/ working with other women were wrong. This was just another huge example of this problem. She did the exact same thing before.

          • purplerockandy

            She certainly didn’t have so strong a relationship with Ashley and Lauren that they didn’t cut her the moment they had the chance.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I don’t think it’s condescending in particular so much as the consequences of her not talking strategy with Lauren until it was much too late (Ryan ran into the same brick wall with Mike) and having no ability to play from the bottom (the whole post-tribal sequence was a terrible look for Chrissy).

      • Maritimer

        I’m not sure its the same category. Basic Survivor gameplay is that you’re checking in with your alliance and having chats even if they aren’t deep. You can’t rely on chains of information.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I doubt that they literally didn’t talk to anybody else for three days, we just weren’t shown any chit-chat about the weather or whatever in the edit. What I’m saying is that they probably didn’t detect any signs that Devon et. al. were putting up a front, or think it was fishy that three people who just went on reward with each other sat out the doghouse challenge.

          • Maritimer

            Oh, I see what you’re saying. I was referring more to the fact that Chrissy and Ryan don’t appear to have established any sort of individual relationship with Lauren, Ashley, or Mike at all as being their fatal flaw not that they failed to detect signs of the flip

          • Mike Hirsch

            It’s almost as if Chrissy talked only to Ben, JP and Ryan, and didn’t really associate with Lauren, Devon or Ashley, and relied on Ben, Ryan and JP to shore up those relationships.

          • Maritimer

            This is exactly what the case was I suspect. And the lessons we’ve learned from the greats is that when you’re playing from the top, you have to put in the work to develop each and every relationship with everyone in (and even not in) your alliance (Boston Rob and Kim come to mind)

          • Mike Hirsch

            Definitely. And if indeed that was the case for Chrissy, she should go back and watch those seasons again. Especially Redemption Island. People rag on that season all the time, but it is probably the best example of alliance management.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            It gets ragged on bc the excellent alliance management made for bad TV.

          • I still maintain that, as an idiot’s guide to Survivor, Redemption Island works as a season. It’s basically Boston Rob running an extended primer on basic Survivor tactics and alliance management, and on that basis it’s a good season for newbies.

          • Diego Armando

            I would probably recommend watching it if you ever plan on applying for the show.

          • purplerockandy

            I also think many people underestimate how fucking hard it can be to play from the lead position and instead have leaned on the crutch of “they were stupid to let them”.

          • Maritimer

            It is the guide for how to run a majority alliance. He literally wrote a book on it

          • Mike Hirsch

            And, I don’t begrudge Chrissy thinking of several of her alliance as pawns. There are going to be people in any alliance of 7 who are actually pawns. But you can’t make them *feel* like pawns.
            Or prawns, to Buffy things up a bit.

          • Maritimer

            Exactly. You have to remember that your pawns have feelings too

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            That was part of the brilliance of these two episodes–it turns out that of this alliance of seven, only JPurple was actually a pawn.

          • Kemper Boyd

            The thing is you do need to keep your pawns feeling they are loyal to you. You can’t just think they’ll be there when it’s time to play with them.

          • Diego Armando

            The pawns always need to think they got to end of the board and became the queen.

          • Prom King

            Chrissy’s relationship with Mike is basically her laying down in the shelter with a fake smile on her face as she internally sneers at his continued attempts to clown his way into some sort of an alliance.

    • Tasha in Cambodia sorta

      • Diego Armando

        I was thinking more of Spencer and Shirin attempting to talk to Woo after Abi flipped.

        • You did not see my tweet. Also, I don’t know if that is the same because Woo was not in their alliance at all. Also, that was a three day span. Chrissy and Lauren have been together in an alliance for like 8 or 9 days.

          • Diego Armando

            Yeah, I was thinking more of the reaction Woo gave to them.

          • Gotcha

      • Maritimer

        Yeah, she’s another good example, though it cost her in a totally different way

      • Max_Jets

        Tasha is interesting because even if she does end up in the minority, she’s such a master at stirring shit up without even getting people to like her that I feel this problem only burns her at jury.

    • Max_Jets

      Not to mention their seemingly terrible relationships with the outsiders.

      • Maritimer

        From what we’ve seen in show and in exits, I’m not sure either of them ever really spoke to the Healers at all, other than telling Joe they hate him, which is not only terrible short term game play but also terrible jury management

    • purplerockandy

      They’ve been selling this story since the merge with the way that Chrissy has been distant to Ben.

      • sharculese

        For that matter, we got it before the merge with the stuff about how Chrissy wouldn’t talk to Roark.

  • Judson Helland

    Not gonna lie guys, but i correctly predicted both boots and I’m now at 8 out of 11

    • Kemper Boyd

      Shouldn’t you be in bed young man?

      • SurvivorWerewolf(JTHelland)

        Owwwww. What time zone are you in

        • Kemper Boyd

          GMT but it’s like 5.30. I was just being mean!

          • SurvivorWerewolf(JTHelland)

            Good job embracing the purple rock spirt!

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Not sure if it’s been mentioned previously, but the Probst casting commercial was amazingly weird. It felt like they asked him to do a promo and he was like “Only if I don’t have to leave my house. Send an intern with a cell phone that has mediocre video capabilities.”

    • Taako From Teevhii

      Maybe that was their way of implicitly modeling how to film and submit your audition tapes?

    • Prom King

      He was also way too close to the camera. It was hard on the eyes. You’re not a Tumblr meme, Jeff, stop acting like one!

    • prettyboyprobst

      Now that you bring it up, I realize that it was probably done that way to subtly demonstrate how easy it is to do an audition tape: “Hey, that’s really all we’re looking for. You can do it right now!”

      Jeffy is so devoted to the show, that he’s even willing to appear slightly unprofessional, if it helps the cause. <3

    • Something Quirky

      Please tell me there’s a youtube video of this.

  • Something Quirky

    So JP was so bland that he didn’t even get an aired exit speech?

    • Roswulf

      Or JP has is so interesting that he has transcended the need for speech and operates on a higher plane of thought.

      Yeah, probably it’s your thing.

      He’s also not doing normal exit press, BTW.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        He looked incredibly salty on the jury. He can’t be happy about his edit either.

        • purplerockandy

          If he’s even watching.

          • Roswulf

            I’m not all that confident he’s even aware that he was ON Survivor. He just went where he was told.

          • Something Quirky

            They’ve also blocked his CBS and got his firefighting shifts to be while Survivor is on.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            I heard a CBS staffer sets fires every Wednesday night just to keep him busy

          • Taako From Teevhii

            I would watch this version of Backdraft.

      • Something Quirky

        His one look at the camera would tell us everything! Too risky.

        Yeah, you’d think it would be in their contract that they have to be available for press commitments (with exceptions for pregnancy and family tragedy).

        • Roswulf

          Oh it definitely is, but well, sometimes everyone is happy to waive a contractual term.

        • indescribable hat

          And all they can really do to them is take away prize money and disinvite them from the reunion. If you really don’t want to do exit press, no one can force you.

  • Something Quirky

    Also, so nice of Ryan to take a note from the Cochran playbook with the whole be condescending to an entire profession/hobby, even when the person you’re being condescending towards has a profession that a lot of people would be impressed by. And requires some intelligence.

    If I can quote Courtney Barnett (speaking of Aussie musical ladies, Alex Lahey, guys, she’s awesome!) “I think she’s cool because she stops people dying.”

    • What did Cochran do?

      • Purple Rock Emma

        I believe she is referring to his comment about Erik being an ice cream scooper.

        • Oh. I haven’t finished Caramoan

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I’m always baffled by the amount of Survivor you haven’t seen.

          • The full list is on the rankings page. It’s not as bad as you think.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Yes it is.

          • I was working on it.

      • Something Quirky

        What Emma said – at the time Cochran said that, Erik was a graphic designer. So that really bothered me for a few reasons.

        I’m sure there have been other examples of that, but Cochran stuck with me because it surprised me a lot, and because I like Erik.

    • Hornacek

      Didn’t Lauren denigrate an entire group of people based solely on the color of their hair?

      • Something Quirky

        Yes, and?

        (I commented on that, too, but it doesn’t make what Ryan said less annoying.)

        • Hornacek

          Just that Lauren made the same kind of denigrating comments about an entire group that Ryan did.

    • indescribable hat

      What did Ryan say? (Wooo I’m gonna one-up Barbara Anderson’s question by not being sure what happened this week.)

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Thinking of this now: Does it benefit Lauren to use her double vote as soon as possible? When the four “laid it all out,” they shared that Ryan had an idol (now recycled and in Ben’s pocket) and that Lauren had a double-vote. The double-vote can still be used by Lauren, and if she holds onto it, the risk increases that her alliance turns on her so they can get the jump on her before she uses it against them.

    But are there any more ways to use it and not have it seem like a waste?

    If you use it at 7, it’ll be the four +1 +Mike vs. Ryan and Chrissy, or the four +1 vs. Ryan/Chrissy/Mike. In the former, you can split successfully without the double vote, and in the latter, you can’t split at all.

    If you use it at 6, it’ll be the four +1 vs. two others. But you also don’t need the double vote to split. This is the outcome at any tribal beyond F6 (tho it expires at F5/F6 anyway).

    So will Lauren’s disclosure of her advantage end up hurting her in the long run?

    • Mike Hirsch

      One could argue that it served its purpose just from being disclosed that she had it, and not needing to play it shows that she was able to manipulate its use to her advantage in other ways.

    • Maritimer

      I worry more that the disclosure to Mike is going to be what ends up hurting her, especially now that they burned him. It makes a pretty easy rallying point for a blindside, and all he needs to do is pull in one person from her alliance to do it

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Whoever does that will end up at the bottom of the remaining three and of the Mike/Ryan/Chrissy +1 group. I don’t think there’s a path to FTC in that unless you go on an IC run.

        • Maritimer

          This is true. But it hasn’t stopped people in the past

    • Taako From Teevhii

      I actually thought of a way to use this successfully: if at F5, three people in the four want to move against the fourth early. The double vote allows you to vote split.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        I thought it expires at 6, no?

        • Taako From Teevhii

          I was unsure if it was 6 or 5

          • purplerockandy

            Aren’t you the guy who watches the videos where this was supposedly said?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Andy, I barely remember what I ate for dinner last night.

          • purplerockandy

            Well done steak.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            THAT’S LIBELOUS.

            I added ketchup too.

          • indescribable hat

            You’re not our illustrious president, are you?

          • Taako From Teevhii
          • indescribable hat

            I’m doin’ great.

          • Hornacek

            I read this as “Well done, steak.” and was wondering who steak was.

          • prettyboyprobst

            definitely at final 6

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I think you’re right that since everyone knows about it, she needs to work overtime framing it as a tool for her new alliance to use to benefit all of them, rather than a flashing sign identifying her as a threat once that alliance has to turn on each other. Unfortunately though, I can’t see a way for her to pull this off while actually gaining anything from the actual playing of the advantage beyond maybe using it to enable a vote split at some point?

      • Taako From Teevhii

        I’m wondering if her best move might just be to burn it in front of her alliance.

        • Awesome as Lauren is, the harsh truth is that people probably don’t care about her having an advantage in the same way that they might care if, say, Devon or Ben was holding it.

          She benefits from that for now of course, but it also means she might have an uphill course to convince others of the legitimacy of her game should she made it to the end.

      • indescribable hat

        Or can she sell it to Ashley as a tool to help the two of them turn on Ben? I think even with everyone knowing about the advantage, Lauren’s not going to be perceived as the biggest threat, and I hope she can use it to build a smaller alliance down the road.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Even with everybody aware of Lauren’s second vote, I don’t think she’s in any danger for at least one more round. If the four+Mike stick together, Ryan and Chrissy are the likely targets. If the four fall apart, Ben and Devon are the likely targets.

    • Important clarification: Ben doesn’t have the idol that might re-enter the game now that Ryan has played it. He has the idol that re-entered the game after Mike played it. So there may be another idol out there starting next week.

    • purplerockandy

      Use it next to keep Ben honest.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        That’s funny, I was just thinking that if (if!) you’re right and Ryan and Chrissy are now totally neutralized and drawing dead, Ben should tell the others about his idol to keep THEM honest.

        • purplerockandy

          Maybe. I think that’ll be the key to holding the alliance together: taking away each other’s chances of flipping.

    • By The Numbers

      In an ideal world I think the best use of it would be to take out Mike, Chrissy, or Ryan next, and then use the extra vote at final 6 to blindside Ben without telling anyone outside of Lauren’s core group of Ashley and Devon

  • I just read a quick exit interview of Joe’s and he says that Chrissy is way too similar to Chaos Kass and she’s the true villain of the season.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Well of course Fake Tony would say that. I’m not buying it until she speaks llama.

      • He called her condescending and said that she wasn’t genuine. He compared her to Cambodia Spencer.

        • StormofCuteness

          This is definitely my read on her just from what we’ve seen in her edit.

        • Hornacek

          Joe seems like a person who you can trust what he says.

          • Taako From Teevhii

            Well Joe is a cop. And if you ask a cop if he’s lying, he has to tell you the truth!

          • Hornacek

            I thought he was a construction worker?

            Seriously, isn’t he a parole officer? All my cop knowledge is from TV and movies, but is a parole officer also a cop?

          • Taako From Teevhii

            In America, a parole officer generally has a badge, a gun, the ability to arrest, etc. So a very specialized cop.

          • Hornacek

            In most/all of the cop shows I have watched, the “regular” cops always look down their nose at parole officers. I thought they were completely separate.

          • Alycia Swift

            When I’ve dealt with them, and I have not often, all but one have been women. All worked at the county courthouse and none had a gun. I vaguely recall one in a law school class and he had one — with him in class.

    • I buy that as a fact. I will also say that she would have overshadowed by Joe, Ryan, and depending on who you talk to Ben

    • Diego Armando

      That matches up with what Desi said in her interview and her talk with Lauren this episode.

      • Prom King

        I really wish I hadn’t read that interview with Desi. She came across as spiteful and petty, and she hawked that whole “crossing a moral line” thing that always has me retching. Ugh, sore losers.

        • Super duper fan

          But you see, it’s justified because Chrissy manipulated them with her teeth and boobs. It wasn’t fair for Desi, because it wasn’t like she was a former pegeant queen…oh wait.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Certainly seems likely.

    • Prom King

      Geez Joe, don’t sell yourself short. There can be two villains in a season!

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Joe calling himself “bodega Tony” makes me dislike him 20% less.

    • Something Quirky

      This may be a weird question, but whose edit from previous seasons do people think Chrissy’s edit is most like?

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I was thinking about this exact question the other day, and I couldn’t come up with a very good comparison. Maybe Ami Cusack?

        I didn’t think about comparing her edit to that of any past male players, but I’ll bet there are good comparisons there.

        • indescribable hat

          I think Ami is a great comp for Chrissy, especially since she’s not seen as the mom by the other players because she’s lying about her age.

      • That’s not a weird question. In fact, it is a really intriguing question. For right now, I am going to stick with the moms. I don’t see the Kass to her because Kass has a snark that hasn’t quite come across in Chrissy on tv. The second part of the episode aside, Chrissy has not had any major breakdowns which really knocks a lot of potential comparisons like Lisa/Dawn/Holly Hoffman to the side. Chrissy suffers in the social game which knocks away comparisons to Denise Stapley. So, I am now left with two viable options: Carolyn and Jane. Carolyn and Chrissy are both these strategic figures who can/were seen as wet blankets. However, Carolyn got way more strategic credit from the edit than Chrissy is getting. The only credit the edit is giving her is from Chrissy herself. That’s why I am currently leaning towards Jane. Jane and Chrissy should be these sympathetic badass superfan older moms, but there is just something lacking there. This really came to me when I remember how they both acted when they realized that they were on the bottom.

        • Prom King

          But wasn’t Jane Bright something of a fan favorite her season?

          I’d also say that Jane was portrayed as a strong and plucky underdog. The edit hasn’t given Chrissy Le Fay those shadings. I also think that Jane’s negative attributes were actually highlighted when she was on top, and wasn’t getting her way (in voting off Marty) with her alliance.

          • Clearly, her cast members are saying that she is getting a better edit than she deserves. Also, Chrissy has had more power in the game than Jane ever did. However, there is just something that is really similar about both of them. Maybe it’s the way that they both want you to know that they are superfans.

        • Alycia Swift

          While I have not watched this week’s episode so I don’t know if something’s changed, both Carolyn and Jane seemed to be edited as meaner than Chrissy though. Jane was outright bitter and nasty at times. To me, it’s more like Sherri if she had basically not disappeared after the merge or Missy from SJDS. Or Caryn from Palau.

      • Prom King

        Sherri Biethman?

      • Max_Jets

        A bit out there of a comparison due to having very different personalities: Jason from Kaoh Rong. They both had a lot of strategic content in the early going. They both were shown as overconfident to set up for their downfalls. They both had a lot of complexity in their edit in hopes that they would work as underdogs down the line.

        • I actually think we got a lot more concrete personal content from Jason. Not only do we know that he is a dad, but he is a dad to an autistic daughter. We have no sort of idea about Chrissy’s kids.

          • Max_Jets

            Perhaps she’s more of a Peih Gee?

          • Prom King

            We can assume they live in a constant state of terror.

  • giorgos

    I was not that down on the season but this was the first really good episode(s). Chrissy already had so much cockiness in previous episodes that her downfall isn’t THAT surprising and I bought in the “she’ll be the survivor mom strategist who doesn’t cry all day and gets credit etc.” talk in early episodes but she was just the villain. I was more pleasantly surprised about Ryan getting the same (and actually worse) 2 hour long hilarious downfall. I don’t think Ryan had anything really negative in his very big edit until now, even the Alli fight wasn’t really negative, that I was wondering if we are supposed to sympathize with his forced “nerd guy with no girlfriend” shtick. So I guess all those fake Ryan “character” moments that were landing with a thud all season was his actual negative content.

    This was definately the breakout episode for Devon and Lauren, who are the prime contenders right now, I think the only person that could mess it up for them is Ben. Ashley is the only person in that new power alliance that isn’t in great spot at all. Good for her that she stepped up a bit strategically but she’s gonna end up looking like the tag along to Devon/Lauren. I think it’s inevitable for her if she sticks with them.

    Crissy and Ryan looklike they have no shot atm, the episode made very clear the terrible social game they had both within the 7 and with outsiders.

    The biggest wild card is Ben. A Ben win was so boring pre-merge because it looked inevitable if he somehow makes it to FTC, but I think after the merge he’s gotten a lot of heat from the rest of the cast. The merge flip was pinned solely on him and not Lauren, Joe and Mike were more happy to see Ben’s downfall than Crissy’s or Ryan’s. And he most definately will get all the heat for the Secret Agent plan from the people that got duped by it. If he flips again on his new foursome we can end up with him in the final getting all the heat for ruining other peoples game instead of “A Marine? What a hero, just give him the million”.