Survivor Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers Final Predictions Score

Let’s wrap this up with a big table and very few words.

This is largely for archival purposes only.

 
Andy John Emma
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18th Place Katrina Chrissy Katrina Katrina Katrina Katrina
17th Place Simone Patrick Lauren Ali Lauren Lauren
16th Place Lauren Lauren Patrick Patrick Lauren Lauren
15th Place Joe Jessica Joe Joe Cole Joe
14th Place Roark Roark Roark Roark Roark Roark
13th Place Ali JP JP Ali Chrissy Ali
12th Place Cole JP Desi Cole Cole Cole
11th Place Joe Joe Desi Desi Joe
Joe
10th Place Joe Cole JP Joe Joe
Joe
9th Place Mike JP Joe Ashley Ashley
Joe
8th Place Joe Joe Ben JP Mike
Joe
7th Place Mike Mike Ryan Ryan Ryan Ryan
6th Place Ben Mike Devon Ashley Ashley Ben
5th Place Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike
4th Place Devon Ben Devon Ryan Ryan Ben
3rd Place Chrissy Chrissy Ryan Chrissy Chrissy Chrissy
2nd Place Ryan Ryan Chrissy Devon Ben Ryan
Winner Ben Devon Ben Ben Devon Devon
Score

Congratulations to Emma for sweeping the finale to win. For the readers, you may have seen poll results that suggested that you had gotten third and second place right. Which is true, in that a lot of people voted after the episode had already aired. I don’t tend to count those votes. Although, even with them, y’all finish no higher than fourth. Cheat better next time.

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Co-host of the Purple Rock Survivor Podcast and the Canadian of the group, Andy has been watching Survivor continuously since the very beginning and likes to treat that as some kind of virtue to lord over others.

Favourite seasons: Heroes vs Villains, Cook Islands, Palau, The Amazon, Cagayan
Favourite players: Boston Rob, Kim Spradlin, Tony Vlachos, Cirie Fields, Yul Kwon, Rob Cesternino
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  • Saturday Night Palsy

    Oh! Emma did win something after all!

    • Blurry Denzel

      1. Never doubt Final Boss
      2. She already won our hearts with her gutsy Outcast league performance, clearly the only thing people will remember about Outcast this past season.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Regarding point number two: I pledge, here on New Years Day, that I will do everything in my power to ensure that no one forgets who won Outcasts League!

        …it was me.

      • sharculese

        O/T: the ire everyone is expressing for all-SEC national championship is making me think “this is how Yankees fans feel all the time, isn’t it?”

        • Blurry Denzel

          It is

          • sharculese

            Whatever. Go Dawgs. Defense wins games.

            And how can you disagree with Parvati?

          • Blurry Denzel

            You can’t disagree with her. Also, Georgia will be the rooting favorite against the even more Yankee like Alabama.

          • sharculese

            I know, it’s awesome. 37 years. And we look like we’ll be even better next year.

          • My rooting interest in recent years (since my Hurricanes have been awful) has been “anyone but Alabama”. So you don’t have to convince me.

            But I’ve been to UGA several times and enjoyed it, so I tend to root for UGA anyway unless they’re playing the Gators (my wife’s team).

          • sharculese

            I didn’t necessarily think we were done after the loss to Auburn, because all we had left was Kentucky and Tech, and well, handjob motion, but it was like “ugh, our playoff chances depend on beating Alabama in the SEC championship. Don’t know how that’s gonna go.”

            And then that didn’t have to go and yet we have to play Alabama anyway.

            I have one student who’s a freshman there now. Her dad literally cried when she got her acceptance letter, it meant that much to him. If they win next week I think his heart might explode.

          • sharculese

            Also, I’m not saying anything about the Gators because bad years happen and I don’t punch down. Roommate/other roommate’s dad was trying to needle me about the Auburn loss and internally I was like “really man, I could shoot back about how Tech’s probably not going to a bowl game this year, but I’m gonna take the high road.”

  • StormofCuteness

    YAS! A woman won! Just like I thought at the beginning of rhe season. 🙄

  • Mike Hirsch

    And let us never speak of this season again.

    • the sky is falling

      It’s so weird that they are calling Ghost Island season 36.

      The last season was season 34, Game Changers. What a bunch of morons.

  • BadPlayer91

    December was a disaster filled with chaos and stress, and when I finally got to the part of my holidays where I was supposed to relax and catch up on PRP, I relaxed so thoroughly I didn’t catch up at all. Which I think is a perfect round-up on this season. I was either so busy or not busy enough to care about HvHvH.

    Here’s to a short and productive off-season, where I will continue my march through the season!

    Oh, I finished Redemption Island…honestly, I didn’t hate it…

    • Blurry Denzel

      Well, yeah, Ashley Underwood is involved. But in all seriousness I am impressed how you didn’t hate a season that heavily featured Phillip Sheppard.

      • BadPlayer91

        Yeah, that was the worst part. But overall, I was so fascinated by the unusual dynamics this season presented, it made it very interesting for me. Rob’s success vs. Russell’s failure, Sheppard’s awfulness as the ultimate shield, the undying loyalty Rob seemed to instill; while not good Survivor, it provides an unusual microcosm of the show that I think says a lot about gameplay and how social relations and strategy have factored into Survivor over the years.

        • purplerockandy

          I also find the buddy system really interesting from a strategic standpoint, although it does choke off a lot of potential interesting dynamics.

          It’s interesting both because of how it shows Rob’s control over the game but also because I understand why each person who bought into it did. Because they’re not wrong in believing it a mistake to let any of the other tribe survive (as any of them would have won had they made it to the end). And it also helps protect you from someone else using them to betray you. BUT, it also helps preserve a status quo that favours the frontrunner.

          • Alycia Swift

            But I wonder if it would have worked on the other tribe if Rob had ended up there. There were several older players on the other tribe.

          • sharculese

            There were several older players on Ometepe. With the exception of Phillp, Rob got them voted out, because he knew having them around was dangerous.

            If he ends up on Zapatera his job is a little harder, but only a little.

          • purplerockandy

            The thing that’s easier? How in the hell do they ever lose a challenge?

          • sharculese

            There’s the possibility that David Murphy isn’t less dumb and impulsive with Rob there.

            Also, I tend to not buy inertia arguments. Zapatera didn’t start suddenly losing challenge after challenge because Russell wasn’t there. The possibility for failure existed.

          • purplerockandy

            Sure, but they were losing to a tribe whose main contributor was Rob.

          • sharculese

            They also had Andrea and Grant.

            But really, in pre-merge carnival-games era Survivor there’s just so much randomness to challenge success that I’m reluctant to point to any one variable as determinative, outside of obvious tire fires like Luzon or To Tang.

          • purplerockandy

            I feel like pre-merge has fewer carnvial games though. It’s post-merge that’s all carnival all the time.

          • purplerockandy

            Who does puzzles for Ometepe without Rob? Note: I’m still assuming Kristina is one of the first three boots due to demographics (wedged somewhere around Russell and Phillip).

          • sharculese

            Andrea, and from the looks of the final challenge, probably also Ashley. They don’t have to be the greatest puzzle solvers in Survivor history, they only have to be good enough. Like I said, there’s just too many variables.

          • purplerockandy

            Good enough to beat Rob.

            That said, saying that they’d never lose a challenge might be a bit much. But I don’t think a Zapetera that includes Rob loses very often.

          • sharculese

            As someone who does a lot of puzzles, all I can say is it only takes that one time the pieces aren’t lining up right. Woo beat Kass at a puzzle.

          • Remember though that there was a weird physical component where Woo and Tony started at a different place of the challenge than Kass, which meant she was at a bit of a disadvantage on top of her not being that great physically.

          • Ashley does straight up beat Rob in a puzzle-like challenge in her immunity run.

          • the sky is falling

            My take was that Zaptera decided early on to get rid of the Vet, be it Russell or anyone.

          • purplerockandy

            Maybe. I personally feel like Russell was uniquely dangerous. And what happened to him with Zaptera probably would’ve happened to him (give or take a challenge throwing) no matter what tribe he wound up on or what season he wound up on.

          • the sky is falling

            Oh yeah, wasn’t intending to make the case that Russell would have fared better on Ometempe. I just doubt Rob would have run the show on Zaptera.

          • purplerockandy

            Hard to say. Although… he has run the show on every tribe he’s ever been on. So, that’s something.

          • BadPlayer91

            I’d also consider, Russell’s gameplay has a very specific look to it that is easy to spot. He made a big show of being a reformed man who wanted to play different, but Zapatera were smart enough to tell that wasn’t the case at all. All the signs were there that he was doing what he always does, and thus they decided it was worth to root it out early. Rob’s style is a little less overt, and thus may not have scared them to the same degree.

          • Let us be real here, there would be no reason for Ometepe to throw challenges to get rid of Russell because they would be losing more often without Rob’s natural Survivor challenge beasting.

          • purplerockandy

            I don’t just mean Ometepe though: at some point post-HVV, Russell was going to return to the show and play with people who saw him play. And I feel like 90% of the time, those people would vote him out first. Because he’s dangerous and awful to live with (unlike Rob, who is dangerous, but very handy to live with in the premerge phase).

          • purplerockandy

            Impossible to say. Although, they were pretty insular as well (although that could’ve been in reaction to how standoffish Rob’s tribe was).

            I think we can reasonably say that Rob would not have been able to do the same things he did were he on the other tribe. What we can’t say is whether or not he would’ve done OTHER things. (Also, he might not have ever gone to tribal pre-merge).

          • BadPlayer91

            I agree. Rob’s approach to the Ometepe tribe definitely would not have worked on Zapatera, but that doesn’t mean I think Rob would have suffered the same fate as Russell. I just think it would have been a much harder task.

          • the sky is falling

            Pretty sure Zaptera would have tried to vote out any returnee on their tribe, they were jerks.

          • The season would be different. Ometepe probably loses more often and (I would quess) goes into the merge with four members. There is also the fact that if Zapetra boots Rob he probably wins his back onto the island by Redemption Island. So the game becomes more choatic post merge.

          • BadPlayer91

            The buddy system is very interesting, particularly in that it worked so well, and that the tribe bought in to it so much. Rob was able to convince them it was in their favor, and to their benefit, to participate in his buddy system, without any backlash over the assumption of control or the impression that everyone was Rob’s minion, which the system undoubtedly yields from an outside view.

            From a more meta level, Ashley and Natalie’s reveal that they knew about Rob’s idol and it was edited out is fascinating. Because it demonstrates an instance where production omitted information that would certainly have changed opinions of those characters. It would be simply ‘to have some mystery’ in the tribal where they might have voted against Rob, but I don’t dismiss the idea that production was happy to pile on to the ‘Rob’s playing perfectly’ concept. It makes me wonder if there are other cases where production left things out or messed with representation to avoid smudging Rob’s game or indicating that everyone wasn’t eating out of his hand, lol.

          • purplerockandy

            I’m not sure why you’d assume that then having that knowledge smudges his game. He’s probably the one who told them. Possibly to ensure they don’t bother trying to vote him out (or to buy their loyalty). If anything, us knowing that they know would’ve only made his dominance look more prominent, as we’d know that they knew that making a move against him had a strong possibility of failure.

          • BadPlayer91

            I think it may have made his dominance more prominent, but it would have reduced the overall impression that players were afraid or generally unable to move against him. Natalie and Ashley note that everyone kept asking them why they didn’t move against Rob and why they stuck with him so long. Basically, everyone thought they were too dumb to do something. Their answer was ‘hey, we considered it, but he told us about the idol, so it wasn’t an option.’ While that makes Rob seem even more in control, it also provides the idea that Ashley and Natalie ‘were’ trying to play the game and wanted to get rid of Rob. Personally, I think the narrative of ‘we wanted to do something but knew we couldn’t’ is more kind to Ashley and Natalie then the narrative of ‘we were unwilling and/or afraid to go against Rob.’ Either way, Rob’s sitting pretty.

            Here’s an interesting question: Could Ashley and Natalie have saved face with the jury by voting for Rob even thought they knew he had the idol? One of the key criticisms for them, particularly Natalie, was that she just clung to Rob the entire game. Could making a show of trying to get him out have helped distance themselves from Rob, and even paint themselves as the ‘not Rob’ option in FTC for those who really don’t want to give the guy the money?

          • purplerockandy

            Ashley, maybe. Natalie, no. I don’t think that jury would’ve ever saw Natalie in any other way than the way the saw her.

          • BadPlayer91

            I tend to agree with you, but it would have been so interesting to see. Sometimes, just the attempts to take out the biggest threats or show you are not okay with them is enough to change your narrative with the jury.

          • purplerockandy

            Sometimes. Didn’t help Hannah though.

          • Super duper fan

            Wasn’t the reason why Hannah was mostly shunned by the jury (or at least one of them), was because she DIDN’T take out the biggest threat at the best opportunity (aka Final 5). And while she DID in the end take him out, the jury voted for someone based on the theory @badplayer91:disqus, that even if someone failed to get out someone at certain point, it helps that they openly targeted the biggest threat (aka my bae Adam).

          • purplerockandy

            Yes. But I feel like even if she took him out at five, people would’ve just criticized her for not doing it at 6. Plus, they would’ve voted for the person that survived in David’s place.

          • Super duper fan

            Maybe the fact that she voted out Jay then could’ve helped it (but really, I do agree that they wouldn’t vote for Hannah no matter what, and now that I think about it, they did criticise her for voting out Sunday over David at Final 7, while to be fair not as much as the one I said first. These moves just didn’t help her case).

          • sharculese

            Bret has said in post-game stuff that it was really obvious that Hannah was stymieing efforts to get David out because she only wanted it to happen if it was a way in which it was her move, which ended up backfiring because it just pissed people off.

          • purplerockandy

            Just shows how impossible Survivor can be. Because if she had done it another time, she’d get no credit and thus people would never have a reason to vote for her over the people she was sitting with.

            She really was drawing dead. I think Will beats her and Ken in a final three.

          • sharculese

            Yeah, at a certain point there was nothing she could do. Going into that finale I told roommate “it’s exciting that anyone could win this. That’s unusual.” And then the opening sequence ran and I followed up with “Right, Ken and Hannah are still there. They can’t.”

          • BadPlayer91

            Lol, ya. There are a lot of arguments for and against this. All-time Amazing winner Jenna was able to turn around (or more subvert) her reputation with the jury with the sole move of booting Rob Cesternino.

          • purplerockandy

            It also didn’t hurt that she had friends on the jury. Natalie only had one.

          • Jenna just had to get to the end of the game from Final Four and she had the votes to beat anyone there. Booting Rob was not about gaining the respect of the jury but instead going for the easy win.

          • BadPlayer91

            So you think that Jenna would have won a final 2 against Rob? I mean, sure, she’s got Heidi and Alex, maybe Dave, but you think she could have gotten Butch, Deena, Christy, and Matthew based on likability in the face of Rob’s superior game strategy? Idk, it’s been a hot sec since i’ve watched the season, but that wasn’t my lasting impression.

          • sharculese

            Butch votes for Rob, but not because of his superior strategy.

            Matt votes for Rob.

            Deena votes for Rob.

            Christy… I’m in the camp that suspects nobody thought to make it clear to Christy how the final vote worked.

          • BadPlayer91

            I’m in the camp that between Christy, Dave, and perhaps Alex, Rob gets the 4th vote he needs to bring it home.

          • sharculese

            Alex wasn’t voting for Rob. He was pretty burned up about getting blindsided. Rob talks about it on TEoS.

          • BadPlayer91

            That’s fair enough. I was just conjecturing that maybe, if Rob is sitting there with Jenna, he has some argument or path to convincing Alex to vote for him. Not likely, but who knows how Rob might have done at an FTC.

          • purplerockandy

            It’d be interesting what would’ve happened if Chrissy’s vote had been the deciding vote. Would she have said something? Would producers have asked her to confirm if she’d otherwise been talking about preferring Rob in some way?

          • indescribable hat

            Hadn’t she watched Survivor before? Wouldn’t her voting confessional have tipped someone off? Why would she lie about it, since it would have been the show’s big embarrassing screwup?

            It’s kind of a mean-funny conspiracy theory, but I don’t see how it happens. They’d been managing to communicate with her effectively for a whole season.

          • sharculese

            I don’t know how much she had seen. Wasn’t she an adventure guide? She might have been in it for that aspect of the experience.

            And I’m not trying to be mean or funny, Christy’s vote for Jenna is kind of inexplicable and she doesn’t even try to defend it at the reunion. That they fucked up and didn’t realize oral instruction might not be enough for her is as plausible an explanation as any.

          • Super duper fan

            The thing is that Rob/Jenna F2 would never happen, and they both knew that, so it didn’t matter.

            But to play the Devil’s Advocate, I could see the scenario where Deena votes for Jenna, because she is bitter Rob in the way betrayed her, and for female empowerment. I don’t think it would happen, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it did if that makes any sense.

          • It would have been close I think Jenna can get Deena’s vote (and depending on what you believe about Chrissy, she gets hers too). However, both Rob and Jenna are too smart to want to take each other and cause that close tribal council.

          • sharculese

            “Possibly to ensure they don’t bother trying to vote him out.”

            I can’t remember where I read/heard this but iirc this is exactly the case. Any time he thought they might be considering voting for him he’d pull the idol out and say something along the lines of “go ahead and try, see where it gets you.”

        • the sky is falling

          What’s that? Phillip made that season a joy to watch? I know, same.

          “These young people out here, they don’t understand me. They don’t know
          if I’m a criminal or a school teacher, they don’t know how to take me.
          So I’m a little frustrated out here. Given that this is a social game,
          it’s a huge disadvantage for me, so there has to be another side of me
          that emerges. The guy that’s under cover, I’ll tell you this much, I’m
          prepared to do what I got to do to win a million dollars.”

        • StormofCuteness

          Agree! Though rewatching this so the hubby could see it was VERY difficult because of Phillip.

    • Super duper fan

      “Oh, I finished Redemption Island…honestly, I didn’t hate it…”

      Man, am I really the only person on board “Redemption Island is the worst” train, here?

      Ashley Underwood, we’re forever grateful for what you’ve brought to the game. We are not worthy of the joy you bring us.

      • purplerockandy

        Yeah, because Nicaragua exists.

        • Super duper fan

          Yeah, but Redemption Island exists.

          • the sky is falling

            Yeah, but HvHvH exists…

          • Super duper fan

            Eh, I would say at least 8 other seasons before this one.

          • purplerockandy

            I feel like this could go a few rounds.

        • sharculese

          And Gabon.

          And also, I’m on board with you in enjoying Redemption Island.

          • purplerockandy

            South Pacific has many of the problems of Redemption Island, plus added religious hypocrisy, aggressive misogyny, possible bullying, and a less impressive winner (ymmv, but for me, while Sophie’s game is completely defensible, it is less impressive due to the nature of it).

          • sharculese

            I’m team Sophie and all, but I’m not gonna argue that what she did was more impressive than what Rob did.

          • purplerockandy

            No sane person would.

            Opinions expressed on the internet about Rob don’t tend to default toward sane, however.

          • Max_Jets

            “plus added religious hypocrisy”
            Way more interesting than anything on display in Redemption island
            “and a less impressive winner”
            I do disagree, but I will dodge that argument for now and say that it didn’t need a more impressive winner because there were at least two good games (and a couple more people actually playing) to make up for it.

          • Also the whole Redemption Island aspect is changed for the better in SoPa. Instead of having two/three people stay on Red I by surviving the challenge, only 1 stays. Now, YMMV on if that was a veteran insurance policy or not, but it means less time actually on Redemption Island,which is a good thing.

          • indescribable hat

            I’m not going to say Sophie’s game is more impressive, but I find it a lot more fun to watch. She’s clever and funny and she triumphs over all those bad things about her season. Redemption Island is just so, so boring. It’s just miles and miles of nothing happening, and a great player who used to have fun playing slogging through with grim determination, give or take a clue in a volcano.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Oh shit. My rewatch-in-chronological-order plan means watching Nicaragua a third time.

          • purplerockandy

            I hear that’s when you really get to understand its greatness.

          • sharculese

            If you watch Nicaragua backwards at 45 rpm it will completely blow your mind.

      • indescribable hat

        I really struggled to get through RI. It crawls above a few seasons marked by deeply objectionable behavior or lousy winners, but it’s probably near the bottom of my rankings. It’s just so tedious.

  • Other Scott

    I think we need to acknowledge the fact that Andy lost purely out of such anti-Chrissy stubbornness that he thought Ryan would get more votes than her in Tribal Council.

    • purplerockandy

      100%. Even when I did the Juror Jeopardy exercise, I had Chrissy ahead of Ryan by my own predictions. Still didn’t go with it.

      SPITE!

    • Purple Rock Emma

      (Keeping in mind I am far from a Chrissy fan and also really hate Ryan.)

      Well well well… the only woman on staff was also the only one who didn’t underestimate her. (Except I thought she’d only get one vote and Ryan would be shut out but whatever SWEPT THE FINALE, BITCHES.)

      • purplerockandy

        And she didn’t even get the vote you were thinking she’d get!

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    I’m on Day 2 of my plan to watch every episode in order in 2018/19. Some notes from rewatching the first two episodes of Borneo

    1. They hid Hatch’s win in plain sight. At about the 10:30 mark, right before the second commercial break, he says (in the context of talking about how the social game will be his big obstacle): “I’ve got the million dollar check written already; I mean I’m the winner. And it’s that kind of cocky attitude that makes people really hate your guts. That’s the kind of thing I’ve really got to keep under wraps. It’s just how do I get there from here.”
    2. So. Much. Khaki.
    3. As much as we joke about Probst never aging, he’s notably younger here.
    4. The dodo edit was there from the start–the editors thoroughly shit on BB (he gave them plenty to work with).
    5. There’s tons of B-roll of snakes and rats. I can see how edgic became a thing.
    6. For people who’ve by definition never watched Survivor, they’re surprisingly (suspiciously) sophisticated at deciphering treemail. In the first episode they seem surprised that the first challenge is a combined reward/immunity challenge (why would they have any expectations at all?). In the second they quickly figure out that it’s a gross-food challenge.
    7. The pace of the show is very slack compared to now, and of course idols and whatnot are in the future, but it’s amazing how they nailed the Survivor formula right out of the gate.

    • sharculese

      As someone who watched every episode of Survivor in a year (2014, so there were like 60 less episodes) all I can say is good fucking luck. At a certain point it starts to feel like a second job.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I think the key is to not binge, but to watch one or at most two every day. I haven’t seen Australia through Thailand, so I should make it to there easily and through Amazon and Pearl Islands on momentum. All Stars will probably be the first point I’ll be tempted to quit. Recency and the rigor with which I’ve watched Survivor since starting to comment here may make it pointless to rewatch from, say, Second Chance onward.

        • sharculese

          The really frustrating part is that you’ll find it kicking other tv shows out of your rotation. Like you could watch the new episode of Arrow, but shit, you really should get through some more of Guatemala.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Yeah, I’ve thought about that. Also, I’m going to have a hell of a time sticking to this plan when Australian Survivor is airing. I watched the first few episodes of Rectify on your recommendation, and while it’s great and I can tell I could get sucked in, I have to say it’s definitely on that bubble.

          • sharculese

            That’s weird, if true, because I still haven’t seen Rectify.

            On the subject of things I know I did advise you about, how’s your kid’s journey through the college application labyrinth going?

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Really? I could have sworn you raved about that show to me. I suppose you can’t tell me whether it gets more plot driven, or just does this Southern Gothic atmospheric thing for 30 episodes.

            We’ve done some private SAT tutoring during the late summer and winter breaks, otherwise I’ve been working with him using the College Board books and Khan Academy. His grades are much better this year, but more in the Nathan for You sense than the Lisa Simpson sense. Basically, he’s still in that zone where he’ll easily get into a CSU but getting into a UC will take a superhuman effort. He still doesn’t know what he wants to major in and he’s not burning to go to school out of state, so I really think the odds of him going to a CSU (and most likely San Jose State) are climbing. However, I’ve done some more research and for some reason it’s way, way easier to get into a UC as a transfer student than as a freshman.

          • purplerockandy

            It does not get more plot driven.

            It has a plot that runs the whole way through. But it is never the driver of the show. It is important that you never expect it to be.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Weirdly, that both makes me more optimistic about the show’s quality than if it were headed toward some kind of vigilante-mob showdown and also less likely to watch it.

          • StormofCuteness

            You said this so well, and it’s one of my favorite shows. Hard to think of a show with better acting.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            The gold standard for me in terms of an entire cast knocking it out of the park (and being given great material) is Mad Men and The Leftovers. From the few episodes of Rectify I’ve seen it seems on that level.

          • StormofCuteness

            It takes a bit, but once you get in sync with it, my god, the rawness these actors display. The creator is an actor, and he sure knows how to utilize those skills.

          • sharculese

            It’s weird because none of the shows you mentioned was Hannibal.

          • sharculese

            Only show I ever told you to watch was when I insisted you finish Orphan Black, as far as I can recall.

            The Khan academy stuff is great, I’m glad you’re making use of it. It sounds like you have the right plan, the one thing I would caution you about is to make sure he thinks hard before deciding to transfer. It may seem silly, but two years into college friend groups have started to ossify, and if he doesn’t already know people there, being a transfer student can be a lonely thing, and sometimes the name on the degree is less important than the experience you have getting it.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Are UC Merced and UC Riverside still easier to get into? I mean, you’d have to live in Merced or Riverside, but it’s something. Although there are plenty of good CSUs so it’s probably worth it to not be in Merced or Riverside.

            But re: your transfer point, that’s absolutely true. I know people who went to Berkeley after getting their AA when they were more at a UCSB or even UCSC level as freshmen.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Those are indeed the two UCs he’ll be applying to, although even Riverside is pretty damn tough to get into now.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Good for Riverside! I remember back in my day, they were asking for people to apply even after the deadline had passed. Of course, Merced was brand new at that point.

            SJ State’s got some cool history.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Fun fact: The college that eventually became UCLA was originally the SoCal satellite campus of the college that became SJSU.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Oh wow, I did not know that. I did know that UC Davis was originally an annex of Cal though.

          • purplerockandy

            Rectify is great. I’m glad I (may have, who knows) been the one to recommend it to you.

    • Maritimer

      Are the pictures of snakes after Hatch is on screen and the pictures of rats after Kelly is?

    • Super duper fan

      Good luck! I managed to do it chronogically myself when I became a fan of this show. While because of that you have to endure some “tougher” seasons on the way sooner than I would necessarily like to (*cough*Thailand*cough*Fiji*RedemptionIsland*cough*), it really makes you have a unique perspective on it, due to seeing it evolve bit by bit in quick succession. It is hard, but very worth it, so I hope you’ll succeed.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      I’m planning to see how far I can get in 2018. We should keep in touch with our progress. I probably will begin my journey tomorrow night.

    • Good on you mate. I thought about doing that myself but then I realized how quickly it would take to get to Thailand. Hope you give us updates on your journey.

    • indescribable hat

      I feel like the Probst-never-aging thing has hit a real tipping point lately. It’s not so much that his appearance has changed dramatically recently, but rather the way he acts has started to seem really dad-like. He’s leaned into a kind of dorky, unhip enthusiasm, like maybe he’d be thrilled to embarrass you in front of your friends. As a perennial Probst malcontent, I’m actually finding it pretty winning.

    • What’s really fascinating to me is how many people in 2000 on this cast has “alternative” piercings and/or tattoos. Think about it this way: Worlds Apart got a bit of buzz because of how many cast members not only had tattoos, but had bad tattoos, but that was a younger cast in a more accepting culture.

      • BadPlayer91

        Yeah, the fact that Season 1 had a lot of tattoos, a guy with a nipple piercing, a super religious type, and a gay man, is pretty interesting. It actually makes me think, overall, how unconventional season 1’s cast is. Compared to some of the other early season, or even later seasons where we see the typical casting choices, Season 1 is pretty unique.

  • Update to something from the fantasy standings: Only four people found the method for obtaining an Outcasts League invite. We’ll let the golden ticket winner know soon.

    There also may be additional fantasy league news coming in the next few weeks.

    • Blurry Denzel

      Oh that was a real thing and not you fucking with us? I’m disappointed by this.

      • Yes, it was real. I actually expected more people to figure it out. And one of the upcoming fantasy announcements may include a modified version of your proposal.

        • Blurry Denzel

          May or will? I need to prepare how much I can gloat about it.

          • We’re still working out some details. So it’s not definite yet. But I’d say the odds are very good.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Nobody likes a gloater, BD.

          • sharculese

            And that’s why John had to cancel Outcasts League.

        • BadPlayer91

          I assumed, given the sites dedication to effortless effort, that it was either fake or the best way to obtain an invite would be doing nothing. I was also too lazy to put in much effort, even though i’m on here practically all day. All of which I feel like is very on brand PRP?

          • You are taking over my spot so well, BadPlayer.

          • BadPlayer91

            *i spent a while looking for an appropriate GIF to respond to this, including looking for the ‘love you bae’ GIF you use sometimes, all i got is this*

            AND IT WAS TOO BIG TO LINK DIRECTLY GAH EFFORT:

            https://media.giphy.com/media/95Gx4mnneurIs/giphy.gif

          • I saved the I love you bae gif from Google Images. Also, this is the peak of my crush on Joe.

          • I mean, it was a good guess.

            Someone else guessed that it was that you could just edit your name into the Outcasts standings, because I’d accidentally left it unlocked. That wasn’t the answer, but it was a good guess.

          • StormofCuteness

            Me too!

      • StormofCuteness

        What was your proposal??

        • Blurry Denzel

          It’s a secret for now. Don’t wanna ruin the later announcement

          • StormofCuteness

            Dang it. I know I read it, but my short-term memory sucks!

    • I am excited to see this change as emeritus.

    • the sky is falling

      Cash prizes?

      • Even better: a limited edition MS Paint artwork by yours truly. You can choose between “smiling stick figure” or “car that looks like box with wheels”.

        • the sky is falling

          I’d prefer ‘unimpressed stick figure’ if you can pull that off

  • the sky is falling

    Never formalized a post to hijack to talk about Amazing Race 30, so hopefully someone sees this…

    Amazing Race thoughts and discussion points:

    -Great premiere. Survivor casting could learn a thing or two from Amazing Race casting, these guys would make an amazing survivor cast.
    -Such a dramatic finish
    -Basketballers are good tv
    -Iceland is dope
    -Still can’t stand Jessica adn cody
    -The OCD Yale millenials crack me up
    -Gay violinists will be popular for some
    -The Goat Yoga ladies are a Debbie Wanner clone, too much Debbie
    -That Road Block was deceptively difficult
    -> You fucked up Jody. HAHAHA, lose bitches!

    If you guys are discussing Amazing Race elsewhere let me know! Not many Amazing Race discussion blogs around, or any that I know of.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Streaming was a little wonky last night. I’m not disappointed in who left (did they call themselves Team MichFitz??), and like the Yale team so far.

      • the sky is falling

        The Yale kids seem to think they are way more laid back than they are, when in fact they are hilarious robots.

        • Mike Hirsch

          They seem like a better designed version of the same team from last season.

          • StormofCuteness

            At 1st glance, I worried they’d been given a 2nd chance!

    • I did not watch Amazing Race, but I did go to Iceland last year and confirm that it is indeed dope. Expensive as hell, but very cool.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      -Great premiere. Survivor casting could learn a thing or two from Amazing Race casting, these guys would make an amazing survivor cast.

      Very strong premiere. Casting people who are involved in some kind of competitive activity (very loosely defined) IRL is a stroke of genius. The cast seems pretty good across the board, but it doesn’t look like any of them is a Team Fun.

      -Such a dramatic finish

      That was amazing. No need to invent a close finish in editing.

      -Basketballers are good tv

      They’re bad at the Amazing Race though. They very nearly knocked themselves out three or four different ways at the end. They seem like quick studies, though. The show did a bad job of showing us how they got from dead last to having a 31 minute cushion.

      -Iceland is dope

      It’s not particularly high on my list of places to visit, but yes it looks dope. Airfares from SFO are strangely low, and not just in winter.

      -Still can’t stand Jessica adn cody

      No opinion yet, but they certainly don’t make me want to start watching BB.

      -The OCD Yale millenials crack me up

      It must have been weird for production to see Vanck and Ashton thrown together at random last season when they knew they had these two in the pipeline for season 30.

      -The Goat Yoga ladies are a Debbie Wanner clone, too much Debbie

      Other than the crazy list of occupations, I don’t see it. They don’t seem long for the game, though.

      Can we talk about the twist in the previews? How is the swap even going to work? It would be pointless to do it on a non-elimination leg, but once they eliminate a swapped team, how would they go back to the original teams? Two people would have no partners. Would they have to pair up for the rest of the race? Seems unfair.

      • purplerockandy

        There’s actually a lot of crossover between casting between the two shows. They frequently pull from applicants to each other’s shows.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I wonder what the specific criteria for doing that are. At a minimum you’re taking the hit of putting someone in the cast of show A who’s more motivated/knowledgable about show B. Offhand, I don’t know of any cases of that except Michaela, but she’s TV gold no matter what show she’s on.

          • purplerockandy

            It’s pretty common. Without looking it up, Kelly Wentworth and Dale applied for the Race as did Parvati, Rob Cesternino applied for Big Brother. I’m guessing casting gets a sense that someone would be a better fit for the other show. Also, I don’t think “more awareness of the other show” matters to them at all. Their concern is “will be good television on our show”.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Earl also applied for TAR, and I’m pretty sure someone on HHH did and mentioned it in exit press, but I can’t remember who.

        • the sky is falling

          Had no idea. I just thought Blood vs. Water was Survivors version of AR casting. Makes sense since they are both CBS shows and BB as well.

        • the sky is falling

          Any way you guys could make a post to discuss current Amazing Race season? If it’s too off-brand, I get it, may be a lot to ask, but I guess Amazing Race is at least tangentially related to Survivor since the casting crosses streams. 🙂

      • StormofCuteness

        I am pretending that twist doesn’t exist because it makes me so mad.

      • Maritimer

        Don’t let Cody and Jess taint your opinion of all BB, just this past season. They were the *protagonists* at one point last season, to give you an idea of just how terrible it was. It was the like Thailand of BB casts

        • the sky is falling

          Just couldn’t stand them on BB. Unfortunately I think they are there to stay.

          • Maritimer

            Seems like it based on that episode. Though they at least weren’t that offensive out there. Yet.

      • the sky is falling

        I skipped the previews, but swap twist sounds like a bad idea. Is Probst a consultant on Amazing Race now?

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I’m willing to see where it goes. Schoolyard pick last season seemed like a bad idea but it turned out great. I can see a Blood vs. Water dynamic happening: If your team is in trouble, will you sandbag a team with your friend on it?

          • the sky is falling

            Sure, it has potential to be great, maybe its because last season was a whiff, but I generally feel like amazing Race cast would be well suited as survivor cast

    • StormofCuteness

      I greatly preferred last year’s casting where people didn’t know their partner and weren’t mostly pros/famous. I have always liked best the regular joe aspect of AR and those who most recognize the joy of learning about culture.

      Premiere was okay, and I did love the finish.
      Basketballers were the best part.
      I really want to go to Iceland.

      • the sky is falling

        I thin they got lucky last season, pairing strangers could easily turn into a disaster.

        • StormofCuteness

          But shouldn’t it working be measured as a success?

          • the sky is falling

            There was one team that didn’t click at all, I’m just saying when matching strangers, theres a huge risk that everyone hates each other. Sure the first one worked out great. You won’t always get a Team Fun!

          • StormofCuteness

            There was a lot of not clicking and what made it more interesting was watching how that worked itself out or if it would.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Could you imagine a team of myself and @hornacek:disqus? TV gold!

          • sharculese

            Are people of Hornacek’s… Canadian-ness allowed on the show?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Maybe I could get a German Shepherd…

          • sharculese

            A German Shepard can follow commands, but, ideally, you want a slightly smaller dog that is also good in the water. Might I suggest the Chesapeake Bay retriever? That’s probably a great Amazing Race dog.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Miniature poodles are highly intelligent, good in the water, AND can stand on their hind legs almost indefinitely. Very important for the dance tasks.

          • sharculese

            Yeah but how big do miniature poodles get? I said slightly smaller, not 30 pounds.

          • StormofCuteness

            Hahahahaha, I would pay, oh yes, I would!

          • Hornacek

            I’d need someone who could do more than just hop over luggage and complain about great TV theme songs.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      I watched and enjoyed it. It’s only going to be my second season of TAR (I did the Romber rewatch this summer). I like the basketballers, but I don’t see them going far. They walk to much! The word “race” is in the title of the show! And I was fine with who left. After their intro vid, I just didn’t see anything interesting coming from them. I’d rather watch the Goat Yogis passive-aggresively bicker than watch them on tv.

    • StormofCuteness

      Also, this cast is not nearly as diverse as usual which sucks. Though I did enjoy that the hunky gay guys were violinists.

  • Okay this might not be place for this topic but as Millennial can someone explain to be why Will and Grace is such a big deal now? Also, why on lesser note why does NBC keep putting Debra Messing as star actress?

    • purplerockandy

      As a Gen Xer, I cannot explain it.

      • sharculese

        Gen Xers were the ones who were powering NBC’s 90s lineup of “singles hanging out in the city, but not as mean as Seinfeld gets” shows. Millennials didn’t have buying power yet.

      • DrVanNostrand

        Read my explanation above. A lot of these stupid re-makes mainly appeal to the nostalgia of Gen Xers (I do not share their nostalgia for most of these things).

    • BadPlayer91

      Personally, I love both, though I haven’t been watching the reboot.

      Also, regardless of whether you like Will & Grace or not, I will note it had a significant impact for many gay individuals. The depiction of openly gay characters on primetime television was (and unfortunately is) pretty rare. Accepting that there is a lot to unpack around the shows depiction and representation of non-heterosexual characters, I would argue it played an important part in showing that being gay was okay and acceptable, especially for kids and teens who grew up watching it.

      Somewhat ironically, I can remember specifically not watching the show for fear it would out me as gay when I was young. ANYWAYS, not trying to come at you, just thought i’d provide some of my perspective.

      • No, it is okay. I just wanted perspective about why this show was big enough to be rebooted and your answer helped me. Still not sure why NBC kept betting on Debra Messing’s star power thou.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Because it worked with Will and Grace the first time.

          • And mabye my problem is that her saw first in NBC’s Smash. And while she was not worst character on Smash(that “honor” goes to Ellis, who five years after the show got canceled, is still one of the most awful characters in the history of tv entertainment) but she was the awful on that show

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I strangely have multiple friends who are obsessed with Smash.

          • In what way because I obsessed with that it was so awful in its badness or do they actually think Smash is a good show?

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Hard to say, honestly.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I just heard someone say something like this on NPR a few weeks ago, and I agree:

      “Now that people my age are getting old enough and rising through the ranks in TV and movie studios, we’re going to see more and more re-makes of things people my age are nostalgic for, like Full House, Will and Grace, and Jumanji.”

      Stranger Things similarly plays to the nostalgia of people like me, but it’s so awesome in every way that it doesn’t need that nostalgia to justify its existence. I have no opinion about Debra Messing.

  • sharculese

    On the off chance that anyone here is a home expert, dissolution of the roommate/other roommate situation I have come into possession of a bunch of pieces of classic midcentury knotty pine, all planks banded together, five cabinet doors and a swinging bar door. I want to do them justice, because they’re beautiful pieces, but I’m scared. I’m thinking coffee tables for the cabinets and a four-top for the bar, with a new finish but the hardware intact. Anyone have anything to say?

    • I love doing home improvement stuff, but furniture-making is not my thing.

      • sharculese

        I’m a carpenter by training, so I know the what of it, I was just looking for advice on the best way to honor the materials. I asked a guy on another site whose a historical preservation engineer and he gave me some good tips.

        I’m gonna one of them over to Ace to talk about finish and maybe adding some more support braces underneath, and then I was gonna go to the Habitat ReStore to look for legs but that’s in Cabbagetown, Trump’s decision to come see the game for some dumb reason has made going anywhere inside the city impossible today, so that has to wait.

        • The “some dumb reason” is both a) his modus operandi, and b) pretending to care about two teams that he thinks represent his “base”.

  • the sky is falling

    Amazing Race 30.2—You’re the Best French Fry Ever

    -Such an ingenious twist having a race within the race, very clever
    -Phil doing his best Probst imitation, but a more fun challenge than anything on Survivor. Much jokes. Very narrarrate.
    -I’m out on the buff violinists and the brothers, so bland
    – I’d have a hard time not saying in my exit interview “That was an Amazing experience”

    As of week two, these are the teams going to the end
    Jess and Cody
    Skiiers
    Basketballers
    Pineapple couple
    Yale nerds

    • Mike Hirsch

      I wasn’t super into the head to head race, because it wound up putting Vanck and Ashton 2.0 at *such* a disadvantage, energy-wise, that they needed Goat Yoga to show up and be their Goat Yoga-y selves. But it was entertaining hearing Phil trying to keep up with the play-by-play.
      I had literally zero recollection of team Pineapple from last week.
      Also, that diamond evaluating challenge seemed like it would be insanely difficult to get the exact estimates, and yet every team did get there. I believe I’d like that job.

      • the sky is falling

        Oh, I don’t like or remember team pineapple, they just seem like the kind of couple who will last a while. only critique of the head to head I have is that it eats up a lot of showtime. I liked that they were able to try something new that was fairly effective

        • Mike Hirsch

          Ultimately, the challenge is the challenge, and at the end of the day beating the other teams *is* necessary, so I’m not too put out by the head to head.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        I have zero recollection of team pineapple from this week.

        • the sky is falling

          Ok, I’ve made a huge mistake, I just thought the safe word thing was funny, and made me happy I’m not in a relationship,

    • Super duper fan

      I’ve finally been able to watch these past two episodes. I LOVED the last season, so I was pretty excited to watch this one. And I think it has been good so far, while not amazing yet (no pun intended). The stand outs for me are right now Jess and Cody, Henry and Evan (the Yale pair), Kristi and Jen (skiiers) plus Cedrik and Shawn (the basketballers). Overall, it is an entertaining cast so far. and I hope this season will turn out at least decent. And aside from that, the finish first week was great, and with some tweaks the twist from this episode could be really great (which from what I’ve heard was used in other versions of TAR, where it did turn out to be really liked, so I’m staying positive for this one).

    • Maritimer

      My thoughts are pretty similar. Not all that many teams jump out at me yet: Jess and Cody, ball players, and Yale are really the only ones who have registered. I’m also aware there are teams of competitive eaters and race car drivers but I got nothing on who they are.

      I actually like the concept of the head-to-head since it is a race it was cool to see them straight up race but that challenge lacked drama as by the time they got to the ramp it was pretty clear who was winning so it was hard to stay invested in for 9 different go arounds

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Who is team pineapple? I just finished episode two and have no idea who they are.

      • the sky is falling

        They are the meek guy and the big boobed maybe Latina woman

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Are they the lifeguards?