Survivor Kaoh Rong Episode 2 Liveblog – “Kindergarten Camp”

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Matt has an irrational dislike for all contestants named Michel(l)e. Also if he ever takes a strong stance about why everyone else is wrong, it is he that is inevitably wrong.

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  • What a bonkers episode.

    • Hornacek

      It was crazy town banana pants.

  • corndogshuffle

    Well that went from a 3 to an 9 on the crazy scale about as quickly as I’ve ever seen in Survivor. What a finale.

    • Kingoftonga

      I love how Jason tried to play it as endearing. “That’s the way Brawn does it!” Meanwhile Jeff simply looks on with horror.

      • corndogshuffle

        I’m not usually a laugh out loud kind of person, but I was cackling throughout that entire tribal council sequence.

        Even before Tribal Council, I thought they were foreshadowing a Jenny vote off – I thought Cydney was gonna spill the beans. I could never have guessed just how crazy it would get.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Jenny may have surpassed Amanda for worst tribal performance ever.

    • Diego Armando

      At least Amanda had accomplishments. She was also able to get a vote.

  • Thank God I did not swap to a Brawn for my Fantasy 4.

    • Black Dynamite

      I wish I would’ve abandoned ship after I lost Darnell. But I talked myself into Jenny thinking she seems solid while ignoring red flags like voting out Darnell instead of Alecia.

      • I thought for a bit that Jason was going home but that didn’t happen of course.

        • Black Dynamite

          That would’ve been a nice lesson in not treating people like shit. I’m cheering for Alecia to flip on him the first chance she gets.

          • That’s been my theory for a week. I hate though that Production has not stopped him from calling her Blondie in confessionals because you know that they are saying “Why are you voting out Blondie?”

          • corndogshuffle

            I’m also convinced that’s where this story line is going. Hopefully the Survivor Gods are good this season.

          • DrVanNostrand

            He’s definitely got Russell-like people skills.

          • Diego Armando

            He did say that Russell was the only person to ever truly play the game. That’s why he won twice.

          • Hornacek

            But then he got into a Twitter war with Russell when he pointed out the mistakes he made.

          • Other Scott

            Perhaps because he made the same mistake and realized that it’s not how you win?

    • this bear is tops blooby

      I could possibly lose all my picks before the merge! It’s that bad!

  • tocantins

    Me tonight:
    “Go Jenny, take those big men down! You don’t want them in your alliance post-merge!”
    “Hum… are you changing your mind? I guess it is good to make sure Cydney is on board, but…”
    “Oh crap! Why did I put this woman on my Pick4?! She is freaking crazy!”

    • Kemper Boyd

      I love how many of us went “GREAT EPISODE, screwed me on Pick 4”.

      • indescribable hat

        I wanted to be saying that. I tried to rein in my tendency to only pick people I like, and now I’m rooting against myself by way of Jason.

      • sharculese

        The sweet luxury of having 3 players left, none of whom are Alecia. I am fucked.

        • Kemper Boyd

          sorry buddy, I still think you could have a huge goat and get VTEPs but yeah she ain’t winning.

  • Diego Armando

    My favorite quotes of the episode:

    “What’s the best thing you can do in this game?” “Be honest!” “No.” The look on Jennifer’s face said it all

    “You’re absentminded as **** and you drive me crazy, but at the same time I also like you.”

    • DrVanNostrand

      In fairness, Jennifer’s “best thing” was playing the post-merge game before the merge (big Purple Rock no-no), so her condescending attitude was a bit ironic.

      • Diego Armando

        Yeah, I caught that too. I just loved how annoyed she looked at Alecia declaring her love of honesty.

      • itsafuckingSTICK

        Also, Jennifer then went on to be waaaayyyyy too honest for her own good. Girl needed a ladleful or so of her own medicine.

    • tocantins

      That conversation has a place among the funniest ones in Suvivor history. Alecia looked like those girls that sit in the first row trying to answer the teacher’s questions.

      • Purplerockmatt

        and failing repeatedly

      • Other Scott

        To be fair, I could have sworn the answer was going to be “loyalty”. Making big moves….eh?

    • sharculese

      I love how it felt like beat for beat a replay of Twila convincing Chris they could flip Eliza.

    • Other Scott

      I really think “be honest” would mostly work as a strategy. Maybe not tell your allies you were plotting against them level of honesty. Maybe more like honest enough to not plot against your allies for no good reason in the first place.

    • Roswulf

      I think “Be Honest” was a fine answer, if paradoxically not an honest one. You want give the answer that makes you look like the most solid reliably alliance stooge. An answer like “developing a broad network of social bonds enabling you to bounce back from the unexpected” or even “being likable” is not going to help Alecia build a bond with Jennifer.

      Of course it turns out that Jennifer is a trainwreck.

  • DrVanNostrand

    I’m the worst Pick 4 player ever. Anyway, Jennifer basically voted herself out. On an unrelated note, I found out on Twitter that Neal loves my hometown. My hometown is fucking awful, and I don’t know what’s wrong with him. That said, he seemed nice on Twitter.

    • corndogshuffle

      I dumped Alecia and picked up Jennifer. Quality decision on my part!

      • Dr.Horrible

        A week ago none of us would have faulted you.

        • corndogshuffle

          In fairness my decision looked pretty good right up until one hour ago.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I dumped Cydney for her…

    • Kent McK

      I went with the Costanza opposite strategy in pick 4 this season and it’s kind of working out so far.

      • Purplerockmatt

        “If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right.”

        • Hornacek

          “My name is Matt. I’m unemployed and live with my parents.”

      • Kemper Boyd

        If you want to have a nice time through out Pick 4. I did a team with John’s approval where I put all their names into a random pick generator and it picked 4 players. Follow Random Luck to see how you are doing against a list generator.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I swapped Jennifer in for Cydney last week, I’m up there with you buddy!

  • Diego Armando

    I will say that I thought Alecia played that Tribal Council pretty well. It was impossible to play it worse than Jennifer though.

    • Kingoftonga

      Alecia basically needed to play a perfect game this episode and I think she managed to do it, between her five hour fire odyssey and actually acting pretty cool at Tribal while somebody else melted down right next to her.

      • Diego Armando

        Yeah, and combine that with putting up with Jasle’s crap. I don’t have that much of an issue of keeping her around. It helps that all of my fantasy players are on the other two tribes.

        • Oh my gosh, me too! Who is on your Outcast League team?

          • Diego Armando

            Tai and Aubry. If I remember correctly you have Julia and Joe.

          • That is correct, sir. I have probably asked you that a million times. I am just so used to saying my pick-four (Aubry, Julia, Michele, Tai) than just two names.

          • Diego Armando

            No you haven’t. I just have a good memory for this stuff. My pick four is Anna, Liz, Michele, Neil.

          • Oh, okay. What a relief!

          • Hey, do you remember who picked Jenny?

          • Diego Armando

            Sharcules and I think he picked first. His other pick was… Alecia.

          • You are correct, which is going to be really sad in a little bit.

          • Purplerockmatt

            tragic

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            That must have been a shitty tribal council for him to watch.

          • Is he an East Coaster or a West Coaster?

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I now feel better for coming dangerously close to having Jenny and Darnell in the Champs League. Now it’s Jenny and Liz… probably won’t be too much better, but at least I didn’t pull a gouis! 🙂

          • Diego Armando

            I could see Liz winning, but Jenny going out early could mean that even her winning would not net you the game.

          • Hornacek

            “pull a Gouis”, in the dictionary right before “pull a Homer”.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I don’t think Jeff Hornacek knows about that. Now Magic Johnson…

          • Hornacek

            (gasps) Magic Johnson!

          • sharculese

            I now kind of wish my nightmare scenario where Jenny got medevaced episode one and then Brawn still went to tribal and voted out Alecia happened. If it has to be a flameout, at least let it be a glorious flameout.

          • Kemper Boyd

            OUCH. Nick and Debbie are not great picks, I imagine I’ll come mid table but Jenny/Alecia is a touch poor (although I now feel like we are getting Alecia deep into the game).

          • sharculese

            I DIDN’T PICK ALECIA I GOT STUCK WITH HER!!!!!!

      • I don’t know that I’d call it a perfect game so much as her not failing quite as hard as Jenny did.

        • Roswulf

          I mean…I’m not sure what more she could have done. They were on her for being useless, so she spends hour after hour working on the fire. And she succeeds.

          She was clearly on the bottom, so she searched for the idol. Yes, she didn’t find it. But we saw from Tai how much of a bitch that is this season. And there was no point in hiding the search- they know she knows she is on the bottom, and a vote split conversation might open up cracks.

          She played the All-Girls alliance thing well, telling Jennifer and Cydney what she wanted to hear. Yes, Jennifer went fickle on her…but Jennifer is apparently nuts, so I’m not holding that against anyone.

          And at tribal she played all the cards right to focus the attention on Jennifer’s self-destruct. Emphasizing that Jennifer came to her was exactly the right movie to flip Jason.

          I also give Alecia significant social credit for not murdering Scott and Jason in their sleep, considering how they treat her.

    • Kent McK

      I was impressed with Alicia at tribal. As soon as Jenn opened the door Alicia jumped right down her throat. Epic implosion by Jenn, the worst tribal meltdown in recent memory, but Alicia deserves some credit.

      • corndogshuffle

        Alecia has been very good at sneaking her way out of trouble. I’m interested to see how long she can keep this up.

        • Hornacek

          At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if she won the season.

          • Violina23

            i could see her at final tribal “I am so confused, I have no idea how I got here…”

      • I wonder if Jenny thought that Alecia wouldn’t fight back and when she did, Jenny started to lose it.

    • Violina23

      Alecia spent almost 2 days looking utterly confused and bewildered by what was going on around here, and then when Jen started fibbing, she was suddenly calm and collected. If Jen hadn’t already dug the first 3 feet of her grave, I’m sure that solidified who was telling the truth.

  • Black Dynamite

    I went through the five stages of grief in one tribal council
    1. “Jenny just misspoke. She can’t home.”
    2. ” Just shut up Jenny. You’re not helping yourself.”
    3. “Just vote out Alecia and I swear Jenny will be better. She learned a lesson here.”
    4. ” She won’t stop. Why won’t she stop?!!”
    5. ” And she just stood up. Congratulations Alecia.”

    • Kemper Boyd

      I thought “Great choice to swap Cydney out for Jenny in pick4”. But yeah, she blew herself up, it was fucking impressive how badly she did it. But completely proved that she should have been working hard on Cydney and moved against those guys, they are a strong 2.

      • Black Dynamite

        I thought getting rid of Jason was a decent idea. Cydney seemed down for it and Alecia would love it to be anyone but her and a bonus being the guy who won’t even show enough decency to call her by her name. I think Scot is reasonable enough that you can pull him back in by explaining how Jason was awful for team morale, stop working around camp and his awful social skills would cripple all of them aligned with him in the long run. Scot looked like he really liked Jenny and could have stuck with her. I think the group of Jenny, Cydney and Scot would be strong. Or if Scot isn’t down then replace him with Alecia.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Oh I thought it was a good idea, but she had to actually do it for it to work and she then told them she was considering it which is hella dumb. When it was being discussed I thought “yeah, not a bad move at all”.

      • Purplerockmatt

        i think scot was her biggest ally on the tribe, because it was the thought of betraying him that gave her pause and it was he who didn’t vote for her. I think she disliked Jason but liked Scot

        • Kemper Boyd

          Yeah I agree. But Scot and Jason are tight too. Basically if she’d kept schtum at Tribal she’d have been fine. The options are don’t tell the guys you were ever considering a different move and vote out Alecia or go hard at the 3 women and get rid of Jason not think about it then tell them you were thinking about it.

          • itsafuckingSTICK

            Yep, knowledge is power. There was absolutely no reason for Jennifer to offer up any of the info she shared at tribal, regardless of whether she had decided to actually flip or not. Also, I think it was foolish for everyone else in the (putative) majority to be so blasé about the fact that they had decided to vote out Alecia. Haven’t these people learned not to tell your target that they’re the one who’s going home?

          • Hornacek

            Knowing is half the battle!

    • Diego Armando

      I’m reminded of my reaction after I picked Garrett for my outcast league in Cagayon “Yay, he found an idol.” “I’m not sure telling the J’Tia that she was going home was great, but it could work out.” “Wow, he stupid.”

  • Diego Armando

    Debbie is going to be around for a while, isn’t she. She is living up to her Coach comparison.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Everything about her is terrible. I take back everything I said about Aubry (except what I said about astrology). Debbie is the worst one on the brains tribe.

      • And Liz is just below her in that ranking.

        • Kingoftonga

          I couldn’t get a good read on Liz this episode. Is she supposed to be into crazy new-age magic water filters and anti-toxin stuff? Or was that just the FBI agent being too harsh on Liz’s reasonable fears about drinking parasite-infected water? I honestly couldn’t tell.

          • Diego Armando

            I thought it was Joe being cranky, but I am more predisposed to like Liz than Joe.

          • I may be biased towards Joe due to him being one of my Outcast League picks. Liz is such an engima that I feel like she is going to be an easy first out of the tribe, since we haven’t got much personality or character from her. At least we got Aubry going from panic attack victim to challenge badass in an episode.

          • Diego Armando

            But Liz has been given a lot of narrator confessionals. I kind of think Joe will be the likely first boot from their tribe, but I think brawn will go to tribal again.

          • I am mixed on that because she does seem to be getting a lot of those narrator confessionals but I know very little about her. Dr. Van Nostrand mentioned how we have two or three extremely unreliable narrators who all dislike each other, but I think it is more than that. I think this may be a tribe with unreliable narrators. Your best bet for a Brains narrator is Neil, I think.

          • this bear is tops blooby

            I thought she blamed Joe unfairly for “destroying” the matches. It looked like he went to light the fire and found they were wet. Then she had a mini meltdown that Joe wouldn’t make her a fire. Also they blamed him for wasting the kerosene when Neal clearly used up a lot the first time.

            But he does need to boil his damn water.

          • indescribable hat

            My read on that was that Joe took charge of the fire and attendant supplies and then bad things happened to them. Sure we didn’t see him storing the kerosene and matches improperly, but his tribemates held him responsible and he did react very badly to Liz’s seemingly reasonable fire input.

            Then again, I have Liz in my pick 4.

          • Dr.Horrible

            I think it was 100% Joe harshing on her. She is super analytical and a friend of Stephen Fischbach, not exactly a new agey profile.

          • DrVanNostrand

            The other stuff mentioned seemed like nonsense, but I don’t think we had a reliable narrator. Boiling the water is super important. My sister was in the Peace Corps, and intestinal parasites and other water borne illnesses are no joke. The whole, “the water looks fine” thing doesn’t work.

          • Purplerockmatt

            yeah i wouldn’t trust anything Joe and Debbie were saying tonight if they were of the opinion “oh we don’t need to boil the fucking water”

          • Streets_Ahead

            The water isn’t from a stream or something it’s a production supplied source these days. They might try and make it seem scary but it’s probably a safe bet the water wont kill you.

          • Purplerockmatt

            its stagnant well water. You don’t drink sitting water because it attracts bugs and such. running water is typically safer (as long as it isn’t polluted up stream)

          • Ms_Woozah

            I think I read on an AMA from a crewmember that the well water is actually safe to drink if they’re in dire straits. But yeah, probably best to boil it to be safe.

          • Purplerockmatt

            i mean it won’t kill you instantly, but there is a reason they always give you fire and its so you can boil your damn water

          • sharculese

            I worked for a theater that kept a butt bucket outside that got filled up during summer storms. One day I looked at it and could see larvae wriggling around in it. I told the owner, ‘you know this is why you have a mosquito problem, right?’ He had no idea.

          • Other Scott

            That said, it’s probably safer to drink on Day 2 or 3 when you really need it because you don’t have fire yet then day 30 or 31.

          • Purplerockmatt

            yeah that i’ll agree with

      • Kent McK

        Debbie is the best! Horse immune systems, frontal lobes, grey matter. It’s all gold.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Yeah, I got rid of her in my pick-4 and now I’m really starting to hope she hangs around until the end.

        • sharculese

          A couple weeks ago I told someone I had the immune system of a war horse and now I feel bad.

    • tocantins

      I think she is great, so far she is maybe even better than Tocantins Coach. And the best thing is that she doesn’t seem faking it at all, she seems to really be completely nuts. It would be so perfect if she had to be medivaced for intestinal parasites.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        She could only be better if she has an assistant chemist/captain/caretaker/server/juggler for her loved ones visit.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Too soon to tell. The great thing about Tocantins Coach was that he kept setting the bar higher every episode.

      • Violina23

        Coach wasn’t faking it… or at least he didn’t know he was!

    • Hornacek

      I find her more like Rudy. “Boil the water? That’s for sissies. I’m not afraid of brain parasites!”

  • Cory Barker

    That tribal was nearly as bad as John’s opinions on Kanye West!

    • You just had that one in the chamber all evening, didn’t you?

      • andythesaint

        I like how I believe this is his first comment here and will probably be his last. It was that important.

  • Scarlett3639

    1) We’ve established that sunscreen is provided to the contestants right? Why don’t they put it on?

    2) Alecia dear, baby sticks are called twigs.

    3) Does Jenny get a special prize from Jeff for saying “Big Moves” ?

    • DrVanNostrand

      I imagine a Clockwork Orange type brainwashing booth where he “educates” them about the right way to play the game.

      • Well, the only season she probably watched was One World, where Kim dominated the game, so…

    • Baby sticks are called embryo sticks. Life begins at pollination!

      • Hornacek

        Are you pro-stick?

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          This is a bad analogy in regards to Tai’s profession.

        • DrVanNostrand

          Don’t be silly. Sticks have have already been born, so they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps (almost said rootstraps, but the pun was too terrible).

          • You should’ve gone rootstraps, because A) Mark would have loved it, and B) it would have driven Emma insane.

        • sharculese

          I think we’ve firmly established that John is pro-fucking sticks.

    • corndogshuffle

      Kyle (I will not call him Jason if he won’t call Alecia Alecia) was all “I’ve dealt with this before in Afghanistan, I’m used to getting scorched”. I have a similar complexion to him and I’m looking at him/listening to his comments thinking “have fun with the skin cancer”. It actually bothers me to look at that burn far more than Jenny’s ear monster thing.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I think we should adopt this rule, until I hear him call Alecia by her actual name I shall call him Kyle or Fat Bischoff.

      • MrBurkesButtons

        “Gauges” would be an equally superficial nickname.

    • Purplerockmatt

      to be fair even with it provided, i would be like Jason’s shoulder’s out there because i burn in like 10 seconds

      • What Matt said. Sunscreen is great and all, but if you’re as pale as Jason is you have to reapply it constantly. I’m sure he put some on, but he didn’t want to head back to the sunscreen station every 45 minutes.

        • Scarlett3639

          Do they really keep it in a central location? It seems like it would make more sense to provide each contestant with a bottle of it, like they give them the bag for their stuff and the water bottle/canteen. Whatever Survivor’s faults are, they are usually pretty good about the contestants health; except for the blindfold challenges.

          • That’s a good question. I think they keep the sunscreen and medical supplies (prescriptions, vitamins, etc.) in some centralized location. But I’m not positive on that.

          • Hornacek

            I think they’d be afraid that if they gave each player a bottle of sunscreen that they could lose it, someone could steal someone’s else, or it may be used for a different purpose (get your minds out of the gutter!).

            It’s like parents giving their children something instead of just saying “When you need it, come ask me.” Within 5 minutes they come back to you saying “I lost it” or “I’m out, I need another one”.

    • I wonder if, after Cochran got screentime after being sunburned, some people decide to do it in order to get a guaranteed confessional.

      • Scarlett3639

        I hadn’t considered that. Plus the skin cancer will be a lasting memento of their time on Survivor.

        • Fair enough. Maybe I am a bit cynical.

          • Scarlett3639

            I’m not sure it’s possible to be too cynical when it comes to reality show contestants.

          • Good point.

          • Other Scott

            Spoken like a true cynic.

        • Hornacek

          Years from now, in a cancer ward: “It was … worth it.”

    • Streets_Ahead

      1. Yes. Unlimited amounts per Neal on twitter.

      2. Fact.

      3. Probably

    • Sylvisual

      Her prize is a baby record.

  • Skip, In Outer Space

    #TeamMentalGiant All on the Alecia train, stay alive girl!

    how crazy was Debbie not giving a eff about boiling water, “My immune system is just better” new Coach indeed.,

    Beauty tribe is just having fun, it’s nice. Glad Tai seems to be making amends after goofing last week.

    • Beauty tribe is just a strong unit. You got the physical strength, you got the balance, and you got the puzzle solvers. I wonder if Brawn is going to be more screwed without having Jenny as a puzzle solver.

      • corndogshuffle

        I don’t usually love watching a tribe self destruct in challenged like this, but I actually don’t mind the big strong brawny tribe being the ones that can’t figure it out. It’s a little different. Much more interesting than watching smart people who have never been outside lose, or beautiful people who are afraid to break a nail lose.

        • I actually think that if Cagayan were these traits played very straight ie brawn never loses and brains overthinking everything, Kaoh Rong is the subversion of these traits. Brawn always loses. Beauty is a strong cohesive unit.

          • corndogshuffle

            Cagayan is my #1, but I really like how this season they are taking the B/B/B labels about 10% less seriously (maybe even more than 10%?). They seem to have put together some fairly well balanced tribes by acknowledging things like “being smart doesn’t mean you have literally never been outside” and I’m digging it so far.

          • Literally, the only person that is embracing it is Jason and that may be a bit doing it in jest.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Jason seems to take a lot of things tongue in cheek. A lot of things that aren’t giving Alecia constant shit that is. He takes that very seriously

    • DrVanNostrand

      Her immune system nonsense reminded me of Sue and the beaver poop. Ummm…. it doesn’t quite work that way.

    • corndogshuffle

      I went to China to do a concert tour a few years ago, one of the guys in my group was Korean. Hours before we were supposed to fly back to the States, he goes all “I’m Asian, so I can get away with drinking the water”. He promptly began projectile vomiting and couldn’t fly back with us, he had to wait two days before the Chinese would let him on airplane. You couldn’t pay me to shrug off water safety that lightly.

      • Kemper Boyd

        They say these days on the game it isn’t needed to boil water because the wells aren’t long standing, they are built by production. If you are the first season filming on a cycle the water is likely good.

    • this bear is tops blooby

      That could be true that her immune system is better, she’s still effing crazy though, but I’m still boiling my damn water.

    • Hornacek

      I did worry for him when I saw the other 5 in the ocean without him. Did they all go out there and intentionally not invite him?

      Also, what did he tell them when they got back and his skin was all scraped and bloody? “I just love trees so much that I spent an hour hugging them.”

      • sharculese

        He could have claimed he though he could grab some coconuts that were higher up.

        • Hornacek

          He couldn’t think up of an excuse when he was caught idol-hunting last week, I don’t think that would occur to him.

  • tocantins

    This episode is making me confused. It is actually good. In fact, I would say it is one of the best early episodes in a long time. But this season was supposed to be horrible, something isn’t right here.

    And BTW, I’m on team Alecia. She is just so stupid, it becomes kind of endearing.

    • corndogshuffle

      I’m… enjoying this season so far. It’s off to a fast start.

      I mean Redemption Island had a solid start too so there’s lots of time for things to go south, but I see a lot more that makes me think there is potential for good here.

    • Purplerockmatt

      there are season with decent, unpredictable pre-merges that implode post-merge because the remaining players are boring or crappy as shit

      • Worlds Apart, anyone?

        • Purplerockmatt

          yeah that is definitely one

        • Other Scott

          It was really only the last three episodes of Worlds Apart I didn’t like. Maybe four. The Mike vs Axis of Evil story when there’s no one actually in the axis of evil that the show was interested in investing in wasn’t a good idea.

          • Yeah, once Hali is voted out, it feels like the tone shifts completely. We got a lot of false hope and then a lot of darkness. The fact that we got so little of potential winner candidates Tyler, Carolyn, and Sierra is a major weakness of the post-merge.

      • Jim

        If you are talking about Gabon, well, I would say that’s not true. If you are talking about Worlds Apart, sure.

        • Purplerockmatt

          never saw Gabon! I actually thought One World had a decent pre-merge, and the most boring post-merge because any drama of who would win was sucked out during the merge episode

          • Kemper Boyd

            Jenny is proof again why Kim is one of the best (if not the best) players. She was silent at early tribal councils, she literally once said “I don’t think it’s time for my voice to be heard”. Don’t say too much early, you will blow your spot.

          • sharculese

            Watch Gabon. I know I constantly harp on how terrible it is, but you need to see it to cut back against this “Nicaragua is worse” nonsense.

          • Purplerockmatt

            well i haven’t seen nicaragua either…

            gabon is probably in the offing soon. there was some talk of doing it over the winter break, but we had trouble coordinating and we were all a little burnt out. i think me and john may do a watch this summer, but i dont want to commit to it yet

        • I mean, say what you want about Gabon, but if Sugar’s there, it’s not super predictable. However, if Susie’s there, it may be a bit boring.

          • sharculese

            Gabon – still the worst.

          • I didn’t say it wasn’t. Also, how are you doing with your Outcast League picks?

          • sharculese

            Better than Gouis did last season. With luck I could make get like six or seven points!

          • Maybe…I don’t know if Alecia is making the merge.

          • sharculese

            Probably not. But if she does make the merge, who the fuck is voting her out?

          • The beauty ladies. She is a major threat to any of them winning, especially with her underdog story.

          • gouis

            Brutal.

  • Hornacek

    Some random thoughts:

    Not more trees being ripped up! Get him, red ants!

    The first clue said that the idol was buried at the base of his tree. Yeah, not really.

    Tai and Caleb is the odd couple sitcom we didn’t know we needed.

    Debbie sits out the challenge. Well at least she can’t annoy her tribe with her performance … oh, who gave her fronds to cheer with?

    Peter falls short … and right off the platform.

    Brawn loses. Who would have thought an NBA player would have trouble shooting a ball at a target?

    “I would be shocked if one of us turned.” Uh-oh.

    When’s the last time someone stood up at tribal to speak? Didn’t someone do that for their opening speech at their final tribal?

    Oh my God they didn’t vote out Alecia! This Brawn tribe is a disaster! At this point I think Alecia may win the season.

    Shit-Eating Grin – noun, smile on Alecia’s face after Jenny is voted out.

    • Holy crap. I just realized something. The person you are thinking of is Chelsea from One World, which is probably the only season that Jenny has watched. Do you think she thinks this is normal TC behavior?

      • Hornacek

        That’s who it was, thanks. I knew it was a woman from a recent season who stood up to give her final speech, but couldn’t remember who or what season.

    • andythesaint

      “Brawn loses. Who would have thought an NBA player would have trouble shooting a ball at a target?”

      Anyone who was listening to the part where I gave out Scot Pollard’s career stats on our podcast. Y’all thought that shit was useless, huh?

      • Hornacek

        When one of you starts talking sports is when I press the fast-forward button.

    • Kemper Boyd

      The Brawns do seem like a Matsing is happening. But no one is as likeable as Malcolm and Denise.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Just because a Matsing won’t work doesn’t mean they won’t try it. I wouldn’t be at all surprise to see Jason throw/sandbag the next challenge and get rid of Scot (they seem paired up, but note that they’ve voted differently in both tribal councils).

        • Kemper Boyd

          Dude I would love to see it happen and maybe backfire. I mainly want to see an Intentional Matsing happen, I don’t need it to work out for those who do it.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        “But no one is as likeable as Malcolm and Denise.”

        That’s true just like, in general.

        • Kemper Boyd

          It’s why an intentional Matsing is a dangerous proposition, many think they could go into a new tribe assimilate and become a core alliance member but let’s be honest most of them wouldn’t be able to.

    • The idol is buried at the base of the tree. It’s just that it’s in a box that requires a key.

      • Hornacek

        Oh right! For some reason I thought the clue at the base of the tree said “The idol is up the tree”, but it’s the key. I was still upset Tai was ripping up more trees that I couldn’t hear through my sobs.

    • Other Scott

      Scot Pollard, not really known for his distance shooting I don’t believe.

      • Hornacek

        He was in the NBA so as far as I know he should be able to shoot an object at another object with a fair bit of precision.

  • Diego Armando

    I suspect that Jeff got this idol hiding idea from a text from Al Gore.

    • Well done, sir!

      • Diego Armando

        I always loved that sketch.

        • Me too. I cannot wait for someone to bring up Dubya’s great idea from that sketch.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Lockbox!

    • corndogshuffle

      How great is this way of making the Survivors search for idols? Between literally having to risk your life this season and having to risk your Survivor life last season just to get an idol, idols have become much more fun. I hope the producers never return to “look for a weird hole in a tree” ever again.

      • Didn’t they do this in Micronesia as well?

        • corndogshuffle

          I definitely remember a lengthy idol quest on Micronesia. They couldn’t just find it by walking into a nearby tree.

          • Yeah, it took Ozzy a long time to get to it in Micronesia.

          • prettyboyprobst

            And Amanda was digging the hell out of that beach.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Even in Fiji where it was buried in the middle of the camp sleeping area.

          • Diego Armando

            Back across the island.

        • Purplerockmatt

          it isn’t the length of the quest that makes this a good twist but the fact you have to do it with a greater chance of being seen

          • That’s interesting. Maybe that core led them to do idols at challenges.

          • Purplerockmatt

            i think that is exactly why idols at challenges were such a brilliant idea

          • If only they did them at the individual phase of the game instead of stringing them out on spider webs. Although, I will give them credit for hiding one under the production-built shelter.

          • andythesaint

            It’s also cool because it limits the list of candidates to have a realistic chance at getting idols to only the most fit, athletic types.
            -Jeff Probst

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            You left out “sexy” and “masculine”.

          • Kemper Boyd

            This was my exact thought. I think it’s a complete bullshit way to hide an idol. It means that a bit like we discussed in Cambodia it’s harder for average women than average men. A lot of women have nowhere to hide idols found at challenges, most women couldn’t climb that tree if they wanted to. I’m 5’1″, an idol hidden like that says “oh, well you should have been a man” to me.

          • andythesaint

            That idol would have also said to me “oh, well you should have been a man”. Because there’s no way I’d be able to climb to get it either.

          • Kemper Boyd

            It’s a small number men who can make it up there and even fewer women.

          • Hornacek

            We didn’t get the entire description, but it sounded like you took that tool they provided and added something to it and you could reach the key from the ground. But Tai just thought “I don’t need the tool, trees love me, I’ll just climb it.”

            Then the tree got revenge for its babies that Tai killed last week by ripping his skin off.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I don’t think it’s quite that simple. John kindly tweeted this: https://twitter.com/PurpleRockPod/status/702884954993270784
            which shows that you do need to get high before you can use the tool to get the key. Personally I’d be attempting a Yau Man and trying to smash the box open at the corner.

          • Hornacek

            That picture doesn’t specifically state that you have to climb the tree, just that you have to “get higher”. Did Tai (or someone online) say that you had to add something to the tool (like a pole)? Where did I get that from?

          • Kemper Boyd

            I dunno, my view is they want to encourage players to get help from others to get the idol. So get on Nick’s shoulders for example and use the tool from there. But it looked way too high to do from the ground.

          • indescribable hat

            It says you have to get the tool high enough, not that you have to get high enough, which suggests that you could tie it to a pole instead of climbing the tree.

          • prettyboyprobst

            it further says “…high enough to push the key out of the canister”, which sounds as if there won’t be much force needed to get it out of there. If they have some rope he could just build a pole like in a jailbreak-challenge. Still would have to be a long-ass-pole, or is the palm-tree taller in my memories than in reality?.
            Initially, I couldn’t think of another way to use the tool than to hack that box into pieces or to cut the ropes with it, and for that a wonky jailbreak-pole didn’t seem sufficient at all.

          • indescribable hat

            It looked to me like there was a little hole in the bottom of the canister. I don’t think we got a good look at the tool, but I imagine it fits into there and knocks the key to they ground, which seems like something you could do with it tied to a pole.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Agreed, that’s probably it. Yesterday I just couldn’t see the tool nor the canister very well.
            Barbara brought up the fishing-poles they won, maybe they are enough when you tie them together.

          • That was my thought. Smash the box open. Who gives a fuck if they say you need a key? If you bashed it against the tree enough to break it, would they take the idol from you?

          • Kemper Boyd

            I agree with you, I’m all for making idol finding more difficult because you might be seen and need to be sneaky sneaky to get them. I am not for making it so physically gruelling that you are cutting down the list of people who can get it to 4 dudes.

      • Jim

        I don’t think it was as hard as it looked. tai never used the tool he dug up, his first instinct was to climb the tree.

        • DrVanNostrand

          That’s a good call. I was thinking Tai must be missing something because climbing that tree was just too hard. I mean two people in the whole cast could probably do that (I’m counting Tai who failed and I’m still blanking on the 2nd). There has to be a trick and it probably involved the tool (not Kyle, the tool he dug up).

          • What about using one of the fishing poles they won tonight?

          • prettyboyprobst

            probably his best bet, but imagine if sth. happens to them or what he’ll say if somebody asks him why he takes them into the woods. He wasn’t very quick on his feet the first time he got busted.

          • He could always just sneak off with them when they are not using it and they are out at their clambake.

        • Streets_Ahead

          The tool is for when you get close enough to where the key is attached to that try to push it out. He didn’t get close enough to use it unless you think he could tied it to other longer things to retrieve the key.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Didn’t the clue say something along the lines of needing more for the tool to work? I assumed a pole of some sort.

          • Streets_Ahead

            I believe it said “this” is a tool that can help you get the idol.

        • corndogshuffle

          You’re probably right. Actually you’re definitely right. This is still such a huge step up though, there’s not a chance in the world an opportunist like Russell Hantz could just have this idol drop in his lap.

        • Hornacek

          Couldn’t you just cut the tree down?

      • bder19

        As this season was filmed before S31, I can see the producers wanting to make finding idols harder but realizing that tree-climbing ability shouldn’t determine who can find idols. Hence, the “risk being seen” strategy to hiding clues and hiding idols

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Maybe one of these hidden idols is responsible for a medivac.

        • sharculese

          I can’t remember if it was Probst or Kirchoffer, but one of them has said that once they knew Cambodia was going to air before Kaoh Rong, they realized they had to back-engineer how idols were hidden so it looked like a natural progression.

          But as to ‘should tree climbing determine who can find the idol’… Tyson in Blood vs. Water.

          • andythesaint

            Probst said it.

  • I want it noted that I did not vote Jennifer as a winner’s pick, please.

    • andythesaint

      Got it. You voted for Darnell.

      • He wasn’t my winner’s pick exactly….he was up there though. I am right now leaning towards Michele

  • NearlyNina

    Noooo I liked Jenny and more importantly had her in my pick 4! That being said though, she deserved to go. That was a meltdown of epic proportions. I had an inkling she may have been heading toward a Dolly fate when she was being wishy washy with Cydney and seeing herself up as the swing vote. In that sort of situation it can be hard to keep everything under wraps, but I never thought she’d out herself! And then just everything she said and did after just made her look like a crazy person.

    Interesting that Jenny shut Alecia down for her honesty comment, but then goes and literally gets herself voted out for being too honest.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I wasn’t surprised she was outed, I just thought it would be Cydney or Alecia!

      • I figured Cydney was safe considering how invisible she was, even in the midst of Darnell being voted out. I hope she is not getting the Purple Kelly edit.

      • NearlyNina

        Yeah I thought for sure it would come out, but I didn’t think she would be the one to do it to herself! And after that lecture on honesty too!

    • I liked Jenny too, but what a way to go out!

    • sweaterfan

      Aw crap, I had Jenny too 🙁

  • sweaterfan

    During Jenny’s tribal council meltdown, I kept thinking that Cydney could have bailed her out fairly easily (if she’d wanted to) by just backing up the claim that Alecia had come to them first, and telling the guys that they were just humoring her and never actually planned to make the flip. Then again, I don’t think the guys are super rational, so that could have easily backfired on her…
    But seriously, what a complete dumpster fire Jenny was at tribal. I liked her a lot and was rooting for her, but she deserved to go after that performance.

    • corndogshuffle

      At that point I think Cydney was annoyed enough with Jenny’s wishy-washiness that combined with her Tribal Council meltdown, she just decided to wash her hands of Jenny and move on. Can’t say I blame Cydney if that was her thought process.

      Really liked Jenny, but that was an all-time meltdown.

      • tocantins

        Yes, Cydney could have bailed her out if she wanted, but the fact that she was the one to vote Jenny out in the end (Scot voted for Alecia) shows that by that point it was clear to her even more than to everyone else that Jenny was just too capricious to be reliable.

    • But didn’t Jenny put that bug in Alecia’s ear?

      • corndogshuffle

        You win, Barbara Anderson.

        • Thanks. But, in reality, you win with that user name!

          • corndogshuffle

            Some dance I invented in my college years. I don’t remember how it got started though…

      • sweaterfan

        *applause*

    • Streets_Ahead

      I also was rooting for Jenny. She screwed up majorly. But I still think this was the wrong decision on Jason/Kyle/Sarg’s part. Alecia has been so poorly treated especially by Jason/Kyle/Sarg that it’s stupid to think she would stay loyal at a merge/swap. Plus Alecia seems to be worthless at challenges and while very persistent in camp not all together great at it.

      • DrVanNostrand

        You are 100% correct. You can’t start goat-herding this early, and you have to be nice to your goats because there are too many other goatherders.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Especially if you are obvious targets at a swap/merge, which Scot and Kyle are. I’d be shocked if Alecia or Cydney didn’t bail the moment they get on a new tribe.

      • sweaterfan

        Excellent points! I look forward to an imminent swap where Alecia is the deciding vote in ousting Jason or Scot 😀

    • Hornacek

      Did Cydney witness this? Wasn’t the idea of voting out one of the guys brought up with Alecia and Jenny were walking on the beach carrying … something (was that a log?). Cydney joined the conversation later but by the time she joined she was told “We were thinking of a girls’ alliance”.

      • sweaterfan

        Oh yeah from what we saw Jenny definitely brought it up first. I was mainly thinking that ~if~ Cydney felt strong in her alliance with Jenny she could have lied for her.

  • sweaterfan

    How amazingly tragic would it be if the entire Brains tribe got medevac’ed because Debbie convinced them to drink tainted water?

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      At least some of the players know better. I just hope that the ear parasites didn’t spread at night.

    • corndogshuffle

      Debbie becomes Sole Survivor after brain parasiting the entire final nine besides herself. Talk about a brutal season!

    • Hornacek

      Secret scene of Debbie with a hidden fire boiling some water. “I’m not drinking water that’s not boiled! These people are stupid to believe me!”

  • Diego Armando

    I have posted my review of this episode at https://robertsreviewsandmusings.wordpress.com/. As always, feel free to leave a comment or suggestion of ways I can improve. Thank you for your time.

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    If you say the word “wrong” five times in a sentence you can hypnotize Alecia.

  • Other Scott

    OK, wow Jenny, that tribal council must have been more painful for her to watch unfold than that bug in her ear.

    I’m really not a fan of Kyle Jason’s switch votes around at tribal council thing. It’s like he’s making moves just for the sake of doing stuff.

    Cydney is a medevac right? She was so crucial to that vote and was basically a non factor in the edit. I feel like things end poorly for her and they are trying not to get the audience too invested in what she has going on.

    Congratulations to Scot, my winner pick at the start, for being the only competent member of the brawn tribe. He’s really not getting a winners edit though.

    And I’m really coming around on Alecia. She’s as dumb as a bag of hammers, but taking 5 hours to start a fire is some extreme dedication. And she rocked that tribal council.

  • Ms_Woozah

    I loved everything about this episode. Just wall-to-wall nuts.

    That bug must have really done something to Jennifer’s brain because that was the biggest dumpster fire of a tribal council performance I’ve ever seen. Literally everything about this episode was pointing towards Alecia (embryos! being honest!) and the fact that she was saved AGAIN almost makes me hope she goes far in the game and is a red herring every episode. She’s this season’s Abi Maria.

    I…kinda liked Caleb here? I don’t watch BB so I was ambivalent towards him to begin with, but his and Tai’s dynamic was hysterical.

    Kudos to the producer who gave Debbie those makeshift pom-poms. She’s as good at cheerleading as she is the rest of Survivor!

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      She used to be a cheerleader for the Eagles.

      • Purplerockmatt

        don’t joke about this stuff man! I am very attached to my eagles and very not attached to Debbie

        • corndogshuffle

          The Redskins fan in me is willing to think of her as a Cowboys cheerleader, is that more acceptable Matt?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Cowboys cheerleaders only have one job!

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          She’s from Pennsylvania! She has local pride!

          Plus, if you’re a true Eagles fan, how did you not recognize her routine?

    • DrVanNostrand

      Caleb and Tai’s friendship was really charming. And I say that as someone who puts the nickname “beast mode cowboy” right up there with astrology in terms of things people put in their bios that makes me hate them.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Alecia could be an AMAZING goat. She’s was right about something though (I know amazing) if they get to the merge/swap as a 4 or even if somehow Cydney goes next. It’s Jason and Scot who become targets, especially if they don’t do anything and need a lot of food. That would allow Alecia to be a big dumb dumb floater and be taken on by someone (maybe the Beauty girl alliance) and kept around as a super goat.

    • Other Scott

      i wonder if we’re underestimating the advantage Caleb has from playing on a similar reality show. It’s almost like his second time playing.

      • itsafuckingSTICK

        I would say that the advantage probably extends only so far as (1) being used to having cameras following your every move and (2) approaching other contestants from the get-go as competitors as opposed to in a normal, real world fashion. Those are definitely advantages, but I don’t think his experience on Big Brother necessarily gives him a better edge than others on the Outwit-Outplay-Outlast scale.

        Then again, Natalie won her season. Then again, again, Nadiya was the very first boot.

        (Edited to change an errant ‘mood’ into ‘move’, although ‘mood’ also works in context.)

        • Other Scott

          “(2) approaching other contestants from the get-go as competitors as opposed to in a normal, real world fashion.”

          I think there’s a lot more to this then you’re playing off. It’s not a common experience to suddenly be forced to live with a group of strangers 24/7, and being able to deal with people you wouldn’t normally associate with or particularly like, and deal with them in a way that doesn’t alienate you from them is not a particularly easy task. And I think experience in doing that on a previous show is helping Caleb.

          What is he doing best? Not getting put off by the wackiness of Tai Trang but being able to roll with it. That’s something that he would have had to learn how to do to some extent on Big Brother as well.

          • itsafuckingSTICK

            Definitely. I think it’s a big advantage, but on its own it’s not big enough to win the game with.

          • andythesaint

            I think the biggest advantage is simply having a better understanding of how you come off on camera. Which is why he’s on his best behaviour now.

            That said, there’s been plenty of returning Survivors who fuck that up.

          • itsafuckingSTICK

            It’s always easy to be nice when you haven’t yet lost a challenge.

          • That’s what makes the whole “there’s no homophobe here” comment particularly weird because there is footage out there that says otherwise. However, they want us to love Caleb and hate Kyle who are both young former military guys—why?

  • prettyboyprobst

    Andy’s medevac-prediction is looking really good right now.
    I voted for the big-rock-scenario, but I’d change my vote in a heartbeat. If the trees haven’t gotten Tai already with his scratch-wounds becoming infected and festering, I’m sure they’ll get him in the next
    couple of weeks, probably when he tries to get that key.

    Speaking of which, can anyone confirm that climbing that tree is the only way to get to that key? I didn’t get a good look at the provided tool or how the key was attached to the tree, but that seemed like a difficult and dangerous way to retrieve it. But is there another way?

    • Ms_Woozah

      There’s no way that climbing it is the answer. If Tai couldn’t do it, there’s no one else on this cast that could even come close to scaling that tree. I think the producers are hoping this forces them to tell someone so they have a helper in retrieving it.

      • bder19

        some people would risk falling twenty feet to get that idol for themselves

      • prettyboyprobst

        But how is teaming up helping here? Especially if we’re no talking about Tai and Caleb for example, but say Julia and Michelle? They can bring in Anna as well and they’re still not getting up there.
        Of course, depending on the tools they have, there’s always the Savage way…

      • tocantins

        But wasn’t Tai given a tool to help retrieve the idol? I think the idea never was for someone to climb the tree to get it, the idea was to use a big stick to take the idol down.

    • andythesaint

      It’s. All. Happening.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Hot dogs.

      • prettyboyprobst

        Have to admit I still haven’t even read the plot-synopsis, but yes, it is. Thanks for the shout-out!

        Now get ready for round three of Trees vs Tai!

    • Hornacek

      Just cut the tree down.

  • I am rewatching the episode and I caught a few things
    1.) Alecia mentions how if she survives TC, she would do a “happy dance”, which is weird because they probably didn’t watch that much of WA before they left. It is just odd to hear that term being used in Survivor so soon.
    2.) Jenny mentions how her “gut” is telling her to do all girl and vote out Jason. Is every boot that doesn’t get medevaced get voted out by listening to their gut?

    PS: I know that Darnell didn’t get voted out due to doing an aquadump, but it is strange that both Jenny and Darnell bring up listening to their guts.

    • prettyboyprobst

      good catch. Does that mean a brain wins?

      • I don’t know. Maybe it’s that or maybe it’s a beauty that just goes with the flow and doesn’t overthink it.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      I found it strange that both Cierra from last season and Scot from this one both said “Shut The Front Door!” At first i thought that Scot was referencing the other season, but his was filmed first.

      • It’s a weird time paradox that we are in now.

        • Hornacek

          This is indeed a disturbing universe.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Maybe they’re just both big What Not To Wear fans.

      • Something Quirky

        That saying was sort of popular here around a year ago but has since died off.

        • Hornacek

          Now you’re on the trolley!

    • Kemper Boyd

      So if someone says “my gut says” we know they will be booted that episode?

      • Maybe. Right now, it’s a trend. If it happens next time, it’s a pattern, or something along those lines.

      • Hornacek

        “My gut says … I should have boiled the water before drinking it!” (falls over)

    • I caught the Alecia “happy dance” thing too. But come on, it can’t possibly be an Alecia winner’s edit. Although it would explain why the promotion for this season was pretty muted, because a Fabio-esque winner would not be the most appealing possibility.

      • sharculese

        I am now making excuses because I have to, but imagine if this is Alecia’s winner’s edit. It would be the single most insane thing Survivor has ever done.

        • I already did think of that, and if I remember to do so I’ll discuss it on the podcast when we record tonight.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Here’s Alecia’s path to victory: Step 1. Jason keeps her around as he Intentionally Matsings Brawn. Step 2. Alecia gets sent to Beauty, and stays on the right side of the numbers with Anna, Michele, and Julia. Step 3. The Mean Girls Alliance plows through the post-merge game. Step 4. ????. Step 5. FTC of Alecia and Julia.

          • Other Scott

            Step 5: FTC of Alecia and Anna, and someone asks a question about vaccinations.

          • andythesaint

            Isn’t the most likely person for Alecia to win against in an FTC Jason?

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I’m assuming Jason can’t get higher than Debbie on the Brains pecking order or is a quick post-merge boot.

          • andythesaint

            I agree that it could be tough for him to get there. But if Jason is Russell, Alecia would do well to be his Natalie.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Alecia doesn’t have Natalie’s social game. If she wins (NB: she’s not winning) it’s going to have to be Fabio-esque.

          • sharculese

            I’d say Fabio had a better social game than Natalie White, though. People liked Natalie, at least more than Russell or Mick, but they loved Fabio.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            C’mon sharc, I’m trying to salvage your Outcasts League team. You make be right, but I think the difference (and the skill Alecia probably lacks) is that IMO Natalie deliberately doubled down on her social game once she realized the entire jury was going to hate Russell, whereas Fabio was just being himself.

          • sharculese

            It either gets salvaged or it doesn’t. (The likelihood is that it doesn’t.)

            But I don’t think we’re actually saying different things, I think we’re saying the same thing in different ways. Natalie W. had to work things, because she knew that was the thing that was going to get her somewhere. Fabio didn’t work, he was just innately charming to the people he was out there with. I consider the latter to be the better social game.*

            *Before anyone piles on me – I’m not saying Fabio is a great player or a great winner, just that there are reasons that he won.

  • bder19

    My original pick-four was Darnell, Debbie, Jen, and Nick. Could they be the first four boots? I’d consider that an accomplishment

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Is your new one Alicia, Debbie, Jen, and Nick?

      • bder19

        Well Alecia is a dark horse this season

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Never put your money on the dark horse. There is a reason it’s chances are slim.

          • bder19

            You say bad investment, I say market inefficiency

    • this bear is tops blooby

      Well at least you didn’t pick 3 players from the Brawn tribe like this bear. What the hell was I thinking?

      • itsafuckingSTICK

        If they’re anything like the first Brains tribe it might not be so bad. (Buuuut, they’re probably not.)

    • andythesaint

      I don’t run things, but if someone managed to have the first five boots (with the replacement after 1), I’d think they’d get an automatic invite to AT LEAST he Outcast league.

  • turgid_legume

    That was a meltdown and a half. Sweet mother of shit. Based on all the pregame stuff I had pegged Cydney as the one that would say something crazy in the heat of it and Jennifer would be the rock, but oh how wrong first impressions can be.

    • Kemper Boyd

      That impression meant I swapped Cydney out for Jennifer in my pick 4!

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    Let the Intentional Matsinging begin!

    • Kemper Boyd

      YES! I’m just starting to hope it’s Cydney and Alecia who survive, Jason is a full blown A-hole.

  • Crappy

    I don’t understand how people are hating on Alecia anymore. Seems like people have not learnt from unjustified Kieth hate during SJDS. If she is allowed to stay on, she will be a great Survivor character. Just look at her reaction after the vote out. It is great to have someone as ditzy as her out there and that too someone who is playing and not just giving up. I mean you have to give props for that fire making effort.

    • I’ve already admitted I was wrong for hating on Keith so much during SJDS, although that was more about not wanting him to win. Alecia’s case is slightly different in that she’s a goofy misfit, but she is disliked and disrespected by her tribe. Keith was always loved by everyone he was playing against.

      • Ms_Woozah

        And I’m sure gender doesn’t play into that at allllll.

        • To be clear, I’m not accepting the premise that Alecia is the worst based on the opinions of Jason and Jenny. I was only pointing out that she’s not exactly the same archetype as Keith.

          • Ms_Woozah

            Yeah I was referencing the respective tribe’s reactions to each person, not yours. Sorry if that was confusing.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Quick note:
    All three beauty girls are being given bits of narration, I think it bodes well for their alliance going forward.

    • sharculese

      There are 3 women on the beauty tribe?

      • Hornacek

        I saw some female extras during The Tai and Caleb Show.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Anna, Julia and the winner.

        • Other Scott

          I’m sure when Michelle wins I’ll actually be able to form a memory of what she looks like.

          • Kemper Boyd

            If Sharculese is keeping the schtick so am I!

        • DrVanNostrand

          I think you mean, baby murder advocate, Julia, and the winner.

          • Kemper Boyd

            baby murder advocate? I thought she was Anti-Vax Trump Supporter?

          • sharculese

            anti-vaxx is pro-child death

          • Kemper Boyd

            I just read “pro-child death” and think crazy rightwinger shouting at anyone pro-choice.

          • sharculese

            They generally go with ‘baby killer.’ Which I have been called, because I used to volunteer for Planned Parenthood’s political action arm.

          • Kemper Boyd

            exact words of the good Dr were “baby murder advocate”

          • DrVanNostrand

            Anti-vaxxers promote an idea that kills babies because they insist on remaining ignorant about science. I can ignore a lot of nonsense, but anti-vaxxers are terrible people that advocate killing children.

  • Other Scott

    One of my favourite parts of the episode was when Scot said “We’ve all said things we regret.”

    It’s a nice callback to “Do drugs, kids.”

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I said that at Know-It-Alls but no one I was sitting with got it.

      • sharculese

        #humblebrag

        • Purple Rock Emma

          I’ve been waiting for you to show up! How are you holding up now that Hayley Williams is a married woman?

          • sharculese

            I got into a late night drunken debate with my roommate about the Democratic primary and then had to lay in bed until noon feeling sorry for myself, because that’s the kind of winner I am.

            I didn’t know that happened! but I accept the loss.

      • Hornacek

        Was that what made the crowd start to boo?

  • Mike Hirsch

    This has nothing to do with last night’s episode, but I asked my 12-week old who his favorite Survivor was, and he said “Woo.”

    This kid is hopeless.

    • Other Scott

      Hey! Woo’s like in my top 5 survivors. That kid has good taste!

      • Mike Hirsch

        The kid thanks you! (I imagine he would, at least, if he could say more than “woo.” He certainly would not want to be on the wrong side of Stringer Bell.)

    • Hornacek

      Can you still put kids in wheelbarrows and dump them off at the orphanage? Or have I been watching too many movies from the 40s?

    • Scarlett3639

      Woo would be high on my list of Survivors who are fun to watch. It is nice to see contestants who have fun with being out there.

    • andythesaint

      At least he didn’t say “mama”, which would’ve been a clear reference to Carolyn and not a touching first word moment for you and your wife to share.

      • Violina23

        Nope, Dada always comes first…. hmmmm… is that close enough to papa?

        • DrVanNostrand

          Papa Smurf?

          • Roswulf

            Papa Bear!

    • Fucking casual. Tell your kid he isn’t allowed to comment here until he forms some valid opinions.

      • Other Scott

        🙁

      • Hornacek

        “The Purple Rock Podcast: We don’t care if you haven’t developed object permanence yet, we’ll still curse you out.”

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    OK, so we know the mechanics of the HII: you apparently need either superhuman climbing abilities, the fishing pole, or the machete to get it down. And from “Next time on..”, we know that all of Brawn has seen the second clue and is scrambling madly. Three of the four seem likely to try climbing, but they don’t have the right strength/mass combination (muscular but not musclebound: think Woo, Ozzy, Erik Reichenbach, and Stephenie LaGrossa). They don’t have the fishing pole. So somebody’s going to be running around, full of adrenaline, with a machete.

    I think Episode 3 is our first medevac, is what I’m saying.

    • andythesaint

      Maybe Scot Pollard can just reach it?

      • Hornacek

        Scot: (reaches his arm out horizontally) “Got it.”

        • Something Quirky

          He always wanted to play the Michael Jordan character in Space Jam!

          (I know that was a vertical reach.)

          • Hornacek

            Kyle Jason can play Newman’s part.

          • Something Quirky

            We just need a Lola Bunny and Bill Murray to emerge.

  • Violina23

    I am late to the commenting game (which is on point, btw) but did anyone catch the post-boot interview moment where Jen says she has no regrets? I yelled at my TV “I can think of one!” 😉

    • DrVanNostrand

      She should have several regrets, but I think I know the one you’re thinking of.

    • Hornacek

      “Regrets? I’ve had a few.”

  • Roswulf

    One point that I haven’t seen explored much here- Cydney had a pretty good episode. She swung between plans without pissing anyone off. She’s got the best working relationship with Alecia of the remaining four, while also having a solid 3v1 if she sides with the guys. She has one more safe tribal in front of her- granted if Brawn goes to four tribals before the swap she’s in danger barring idol shenanigans.

    Had Jennifer remained stable and Alecia had stayed the target, Cydney would be the outsider target at the next tribal, as the person with the weakest bond with Scott. She’s getting almost no edit, but she’s bounced back nicely from being a bit too protective of lost-cause Darnell in episode one.

    • andythesaint

      The reason no one talked about her is what you’ve said, she’s getting no edit. Too early in the season to be hunting for things to discover about people when we’re processing the actual things presented about people.

      Also: I’m not sure why you assume she has the best working relationship with Alecia. Because I kinda think that Cydney really dislikes her and probably never talks to her. Sure, Jason is more of a jerk, but he still talks to her. (Although, again, who knows? Cydney is barely on this season).

      • sharculese

        Cydney talked constantly in the first episode about how she couldn’t talk Alecia, so at best we’re into the land of debating which of other the remaining brawns spends the least time going out of their way to isolate her.

      • Roswulf

        The evidence that Cydney has the best working relationship with Alecia is that she signed on to the Women’s Alliance, an agreement dependent on working with Alecia.

        “Best working relationship with Alecia” on Brawn is a REALLY low bar. I think “we have literally never had a two person conversation, but she called me by name once when she wanted me to get out of her way” clears it easily.