Survivor Kaoh Rong: Episode 6 Liveblog “Play or Go Home”

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  • Mike Hirsch

    Nice Flight of the Conchords shout out with “part-time model”, Survivor editors.

    • And she was wearing her business socks.

      • Mike Hirsch

        I hope David Bowie appears to her in a dream next episode and advises her to start wearing a funky eyepatch.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          I hope that she was only crying because she was chopping onions for a lasagna for one.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Debbie’s a mutha’ucka and she’s ‘uckin’ with your shi’.

      • Diego Armando

        She wants Nick’s Sugarlumps.

      • Hornacek

        Don’t say “socks”, Dalton Ross may be reading this.

        • I think if he had said the other S word, Dalton might be more turned on.

        • sharculese

          Dalton Ross, if you’re reading this, you’re a dimwitted misogynist who is bad at jokes.

          • gouis

            Down with the Survivor media establishment!

          • sharculese

            Up with Josh Wigler.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I love the Wigle Room theme song.

          • Hornacek

            I was gonna say “Up with mini-skirts!” Thanks, MAD Magazine.

          • Who hasn’t updated his reasoning for his season rankings in some time (which is my only major complaint against him).

    • Ms_Woozah

      I had to pause at that I was laughing so hard. The editors are having the time of their lives with her.

  • We’re getting Nick-rolled tonight.

    • sharculese

      This is getting Drew Christie-esque.

      • Well…that was…unexpected.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        A master manipulator of this game!

      • Alycia Swift

        He’s such a bad-ass.

  • prettyboyprobst

    I haven’t been on the Michele wagon, but that sounded like part of a winner-edit. BIG TIME.

    • Yes, yes it did. The whole “I’m not getting carried” seems really winners edity.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Yeah, I was on the Cydney bandwagon for the last few episodes, but back with Michele now.

        • Although Cydney did get a nice little moment of her saying “Damn Debbie” after Debbie joked about Michele drowning herself. That shows that she has social awareness.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Oh yeah, forgot about that. She also tried to throw Scot off his game at the Reward challenge, then smiled when he won.

          • “Scot, What are you doing?”
            “Winning”

          • Alycia Swift

            And a bit of a sense of humor which we have not seen (also trying to throw Scott off was funny.) I wonder if the split personalities was just a ruse to get on the show. Or maybe we’ve been watching Rebecca the whole time.

          • Is Cydney Survivor’s Keyser Soze?

        • Hornacek

          Was Cydney on this episode?

        • Other Scott

          I’m still on the Cydney bandwagon. Female winners can afford a few nothing episodes.

      • Kemper Boyd

        do not forget the Bro. It’s the bro that makes that sentence!

    • Diego Armando

      There is no winner’s edit this season. Michele could very well be the winner though.

      • Prom King

        Yep this season’s edit is definitely making it interesting trying to predict the winner. Many of the winners are fairly obvious when looking at who the edit makes sure to feature again and again, with depth and without ridicule. The classic hero edit.

        But there’s another type of edit that has often been a winner’s edit – it’s just not an overtly heroic edit. There’s the edit that has appeared ever since Tina Wesson: it subtly highlights a quietly strategic woman episode after episode, often one who purposely hides her strategic side from most players while aligning herself with more over the top players. Natalie White, Danni, Vecepia, Sophie, even Sandra and Natalie Anderson despite their brashness. Characters who are never “leading” characters but who are still provided with scenes highlighting their strategic abilities throughout the season.

        That’s why my pick to win is Aubry. (Which of course means I’ve just jinxed myself and she will be voted out next episode.)

        • Kemper Boyd

          So basically the woman’s winner edit? Very rarely do women get the hero edit see Spradlin, Kim. Apart from Kim the greatest winner of them all, where their hand was forced by her utter dominance not many women got the obvious winner’s edit.

          • What about Parvati?

          • Kemper Boyd

            Hence very rarely.

          • sharculese

            I’d say the Parvati exception is two-fold:

            1.) Parvati was constantly doing things. You can’t tell the story of Micronesia without her, because she either had a hand in or was the prime mover for most of the important events that season.

            2.) Sure, the same is true of Kim, but Kim doesn’t pop on tv the way Parvati does. This isn’t a knock on Kim, on the contrary I think being so low key is part of why she was able to do what she did. Parvati is a different beast. She’s one of those people like Courtney or Sandra or the Robs who just effortlessly and instinctively knows how to be a television character, and you’d be an idiot not to feature that.

            And then what makes Parvati different from Sandra brings us back to point 1. You can tell the story of Pearl islands and HvW without putting Sandra at the center of it, and both are better for being stories about the downfalls of Fairplay and Russell. You can’t really tell Micronesia any other way from “the Widows did this.”

          • Good points!

          • Violina23

            Well put. The Kim Spradlin effect was one of those things where you didn’t realize how masterful she was until the end, at least how it was edited. Parvati was much more visible about getting her hands dirty.

          • Prom King

            Basically yes. Except for the incredible Kim, of course. I think we can all agree on her sheer dominance of her season. A fantastic winner.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I imagine it will come into focus once they get further or after they win. I’m rubbish, I can only piece together the breadcrumbs after you tell me the result though.

      • Roswulf

        The lack of a winner’s edit does kind of point to Michele. Not only is she a woman who isn’t a grating caricature, and thus obviously not interesting according to the rules of Survivor editing. But she’s also never gone to tribal. There has never been an episode where the strategic machinations of Michele COULD have been the A plot. This is the knock on Cydney. While big moves were being made on her tribe, the show was not interested in showing her perspective.

        So what I’m saying is, Nick has this in the bag.

      • Hornacek

        But there is a Wanner edit.

        I’ll show myself out.

      • prettyboyprobst

        I couldn’t see anything resembling one before this episode (although I thought there might be something to Anna), but I think when we look back, this could be the episode where the winner’s edit picked up steam.

        • Diego Armando

          The only person getting anything resembling a winner’s edit is Tai. There is always a winner, but not always a winner’s edit.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I look at it differently. There are different ways to edit the winner, but every modern winner gets a carefully crafted edit, their winner’s edit.
            Other contestants may get equally carefully crafted edits (which may resemble edits for sole survivors before and after them), to create doubt for the eventual winner and to make for good TV, but if they’re not winning, it’s not a winner’s edit in hindsight.

            Not sure if we’re disagreeing on the actual edits here or if it’s just a matter of perspective.

    • Ms_Woozah

      For sure. Became a big Michele fan this episode.

    • Violina23

      I LOVED the dueling confessionals with Nick. If it’s not a winner’s edit, it’s an “eliminated at the final 4, probably would have taken the whole thing” edit.

      • Roswulf

        I’m more cautious because I think the story may be about mocking Nick, and Michele’s role as the awesome person is incidental.

        This is an extension of the basic principle that a “winner’s edit” isn’t composed of things that are good TV- it’s composed of the filler. I think Michele’s material in this episode was good TV standing alone.

        • prettyboyprobst

          That could be true for the very entertaining dueling confessional scene, but I feel like there was much more content on Michele with all the focus on the RC and its fallout that we have no business getting, if not to put some of the spotlight on Michele.
          Other people that got that kind of attention were more involved in their respective episode’s stories, if my memory serves me sufficiently. That’s why I have her in my mind now at the top of the leaderboard (with a decent gap followed by Cidney, another even bigger gap to Aubry, rounded out by Julia and Debbie. I don’t see any plausible scenarios for anyone else, although to cover all the bases, I’d probably have to add Scot, Neal and Kyleson as longshots), even though I could hardly understand what all the buzz surrounding her was about previous to this episode.

          Back to your point, I thought there was some bonafide filler stuff for Michele in this episode (possibly just a ruse), but more importantly, I can hardly remember anything that would pass as such for the other contenders.

      • prettyboyprobst

        Whatever it ends up being, for some reason they felt the need to flesh Michele out as a character and give us access to her inner thinking. That certainly bodes well for her chances.

  • Joe serving dinner-theater “Gran Torino” realness. “GIT OFF MY BEACH.”

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    I’m getting a Walt White/Jesse vibe from Aubry and Joe. That looks Aubry has when she’s talking with Joe … chilling

    • So Aubry is the one who knocks?

      • Purplerockmatt

        no she just is really good at tossing pizzas onto roofs

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    NO! Go to a tie if you need to, don’t give up at the prospect of a tie. Aubry and Joe are already on the fence about voting off Pete

    • sharculese

      We’re getting the parts where they talk about not tying. I’m sure there were also parts where they did talk about tying.

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    I was wondering what the “original plan” was about. That’s equivalent of “stick to the plan,” but worse because you’re only spooking everyone and it was intentional. It would be one thing if Scot and Tai are trying to subconsciously get Aubry and Pete to vote Julia (which wasn’t necessary with or without knowing the actual votes), but if Scot and Tai are voting for Pete, then the comment has no purpose; Julia was voting for Pete anyway

    • I think ‘original plan’ is better than stick to plan because it gives the idea there is more than one plan and the other side will be shaken more as Aubrey was. And I think it was said out loud for that purpose

      • Agreed completely. I think that was to send a signal to Aubry.

  • Scarlett3639

    Has anyone ever changed their mind after writing a name down before?

    • Didn’t somebody during the Brad voteout.

      • Diego Armando

        No Hayden crossed out Ciera and then wrote Ciera again.

        • Can I give him partial credit for that?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Hayden strikes me as a fellow whose life has depended on partial credit.

          • Whereas Kat’s has depended on sympathy points?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Not after the boob job!

          • DrVanNostrand

            Bazinga!!!

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Get out.

    • Hornacek

      Aras on the very first (day 1) vote in Blood vs. Water.

  • All 4 of my Pick-4 and my two Outcasts picks made it to the merge. Holy crap!

    • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

      Must be nice. I dropped Debbie for Caleb, and I haven’t looked at Pick-4 for so long, I can’t remember if I picked Julia or Anna

      • Kemper Boyd

        I dropped Cydney for Jennifer. I DROPPED CYDNEY FOR JENNIFER!

    • Sylvisual

      High five! Same here. That has literally never happened before.

    • I had Peter. Womp womp.

      • Were you close though?

        • As long as Michele does well, I’ll still make top 4. Fortunately, Champs League already has two teams eliminated.

          • Diego Armando

            Outcast has three eliminated teams.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Just another one of my victims. And I like my spot at the top!

        • Well I’m glad you like it there. Because you absolutely cannot lose this season. Sure, you can throw your fancy “math” at me if you’d like. But if there’s one thing I can guarantee, it’s that you will win Champions League this season. No doubt.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Wait a second! You did this same thing to XLPelican last season!

          • What?! Surely you jest.

    • Diego Armando

      Two of my Pick-4 are gone, but both of my Outcasts survived also. I am banking everything on Tai and Aubry. I am likely doomed.

      • Hey…I am banking on Julia and Joe….I am royally screwed in the Outcasts League.

        • Diego Armando

          Julia could pull something off. You are sitting pretty in Pick-4 though. I will not risk saying anything positive about my teams chances. Survivor has taught me that ends badly.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Me too. I was so so bummed when my Outcast team ended up being Nick and Debbie and now not so bad in comparison to how I thought it would go.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      This… is not the case for me.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Nice job! I hate you.

    • Oh, it’s better than that for you. Just wait until you see the new standings…

  • sharculese

    I loved the juxtaposition of ‘next week it’s a merge’ with Peter saying ‘I look forward to seeing them in a few days.’

    Lol, no, you won’t.

    • Unless one of them is a post-merge non juror.

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        I was thinking about that. Anyone else think we might have an F2 at FTC?

        EDIT: actually we might. Isn’t there 11 people left now?

        • I do, especially since there is more medevacs to come based on the whole “Caleb was Mother Nature’s first victim” in his Previously On segment last episode.

          • Diego Armando

            Glad I was not the only person who wondered “First?”

        • Diego Armando

          Yes, because I suspect the future medivacs will cause a Micronesia situation.

          • sharculese

            There was nothing about Micronesia that required a final 2. Even with the 2 medevacs and the medequit there were 17 people and the requisite number of jury members. They did a final 2 because they wanted to.

            They may have done a final 2 in Cagayan because they thought they had to, but they’re not gonna do it again unless it absolutely can’t be avoided.

          • Side Character

            That makes Cirie’s vote out at final 3 even worse, because if there was no reason they couldn’t have a final 3, she would’ve won. The producers screwed her out of a win.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I’ve begun to question the common held belief she would definitely have won. I think looking at the Jurors there is as much as a chance of Amanda holding on to all 3 of her votes and Parvati losing Eliza and maybe Siska to make it 3-2-2 win for Amanda or a 3-3-1 tie if you believe that Alexis would have abandoned Parvati for Cirie making Eliza the swing vote on a revote (I believe).

          • sharculese

            I really think it’s a 3 vote win for Amanda if Cirie is there. Ozzy and James are locks for her, as are Alexis and Natalie for Parvati. I think Cirie peels off Eliza and probably Siska, so the question is what happens to Erik, and I don’t think he defects. Go back and listen to his jury confessional – he’s still hung up on the idea that he wronged Amanda and has to make amends, and honestly, I think he kind of had a crush on her.

            So yeah, 3-2-2 for Amanda. Maybe Siska doesn’t switch to Cirie and it’s a 3-3-1 tie, but I don’t know.

          • Kemper Boyd

            This is exactly my feelings on it. People forget that 2 of Amanda’s 3 votes were locks and Erik wasn’t far from a lock and in my opinion more likely to vote Amanda than Cirie. The question is really does Cirie win if she wins Immunity and goes against Amanda or Parvati? The answer is still not a lock. I think she might still lose as Amanda or Parv vote for each other and both have 2 jurors on lock.

          • Prom King

            I dunno. I see the logic but we also didn’t get a chance to see how Cirie would do at final tribal, something Amanda is terrible at. I think James could be torn between Cirie and Amanda, and his vote is only locked against Parvati, not necessarily locked for Amanda.

          • sharculese

            Based on some of the discussions we’ve had here I’m actually shocked to see you of all people argue that James might have voted for Cirie. A lot of the time when I hear people make that argument the background thought I have is “why? because the’re both black?” but I doubt that’s the argument you’re going to make, so please tell me what your take on it is.

            But I also really don’t buy that James was ever voting for anyone other than Amanda. Through China and Micronesia his biggest values were consistency and loyalty. I think he was always going to reward the person who wavered the most about breaking up the Favorites alliance over the two people who enthusiastically charted a different course.

          • Prom King

            Uh yeah…. NO, I’m definitely not making that argument because they are both black. The very idea annoys me and I certainly respect both James and especially Cirie enough to confidently say that neither one of them would subscribe to that logic.

            There’s one major thing about James that makes me think his vote could be up in the air: he admires intelligence and he appreciates strong and/or plucky women. Cirie is a strong, intelligent woman and I think her argument at final tribal could potentially sway him. And in China he didn’t vote for Amanda to win – he voted for Courtney.

            I also think there’s a chance that Erik could be swayed by Cirie during final tribal, despite his obvious crush.

          • sharculese

            Yeah, to be clear, I didn’t believe for a second that your argument would be that it was because they’re both black, just that a lot of ‘James is a Cirie vote’ arguments do seem to have that implication.

            That said, I’m curious where you’re getting this idea that intelligence and pluck are qualities James appreciates in women. Honestly, Micronesia and HvV convinced me that, if anything, James is a bit of a misogynist, and when he’s playing the game it comes out in ugly ways. Like I said, I think consistency and loyalty are traits he prizes much more (see all the ‘biting the apple’ nonsense), and that he’s rewarding Amanda for adhering to those values.

          • Prom King

            Good! I’m glad to know that.

            I wonder if his bad attitude in HvV and Courtney catching him broing out with Jean-Robert is what is making you feel he is misogynist. I didn’t care for him myself in HvV. But in Micronesia he is quite happy having the women in his alliance call the shots; he didn’t seem to give it a second thought pre-merge. And in China he said many positive things about Denise and he felt positive enough about Courtney to vote for her to win. I don’t get misogynistic vibes off of James at all. But then James is one of my top favorite characters, at least in his first couple seasons, so I’m biased. James being in roid rage mode during HvV is one of the reasons that season is my second not first favorite season. But to me that illustrates how he can be a bully not necessarily a misogynist.

          • VoicOff

            James was the one who used to throw around all those apples-reference (as in: the original sin apple) while talking about Parvati and her woman alliance. He wasn’t that please about that, seemed a bit condecending, and acted like he expected Parv to just be content with being third or fourth place behind Ozzy and Him.

            He wasn’t violent or openly insulting but it was unpleasant nonetheless.

          • Prom King

            I can understand why you and anyone would think that. Mainly because Black Widow alliance is one of the most amazing things to happen in Survivor and James was openly disapproving of it. But even then I understood James’ perspective – he wanted people to stick to the plan, not get greedy by making (what he thought were) unnecessary big moves, and just get to the final five – as a loyal alliance that stuck together. The apple commentary was a bit on-the-nose for my tastes but I still thought it was more about loyalty than about being anti-woman.

          • VoicOff

            A i said, it’s not that he is “anti woman” it’s that he has internalized prejudice (don’t we all) about what women should be, and they manifested themselfes several times, in ways that allow to conclude he is not progressive. He was also the one to call Parvati a “sex kitten type”. I remember the reviewer at TWP wondering if it’s okay to call that a woman you just met.

            (But i think it’s cool that he voted for Courtney, and he is a funny presence on screen, most times)

          • Prom King

            I have no clue whether or not he is progressive, but his easy acceptance of people as different from him as Todd, Denise, Courtney, Amanda, and Cire make me think he is a pretty open-minded guy. The designation of Parvati as a “sex kitten type” does not remotely bother me because that is an identity that Parvati herself carved out, proudly, in her first season. Which is where he would have been first exposed to her, as a viewer at least.

          • sharculese

            While it really coalesced in HvV I felt James’s bad attitude towards women in Micronesia as well. The thing that always stick out for me is the scene after the Ozzy vote off where James confronts Parvati, and it’s always seemed to me like he’s talking down to her for not continuing with an alliance that ended with him or Ozzy winning.

            Yes, I get that he’s legitimately mad about being betrayed, but he seems to have almost no conception of Parvati doing what’s best for her own game to the point where you wonder whether he really thinks women should be playing this game.

            And then the Stephenie stuff in HvV is kind of just icing on the ugly cake.

          • Prom King

            I could see myself feeling and reacting the same exact way, except I wouldn’t be coming from a place of considering women as inferior. It would be coming from a place of being irritated at an alliance member betraying that alliance – and not confiding in me. If I’m playing a game, I’m not going to be in support of an all-women’s alliance because it doesn’t include me! If I can see myself feeling those things, I’m definitely going to be giving James, a personal favorite, the benefit of the doubt and assume that that is where he is coming from too.

            I think your feeling that he wants Parvati to continue playing a game where he or Ozzy wins is your own feeling. I mean he may have thought that, sure, but I don’t think he did and I don’t remember him saying anything that made it appear as if he did. He just wasn’t buying Parvati’s argument for betraying their alliance. If I was blindsided, I’m sure I’d feel the same way (and I despise Ozzy). And in particular with James, I’m not so sure he’s the kind of person to look at things from multiple angles, which is why he’s not a strategist. He’s a black-and-white sorta guy: you betrayed our alliance and that was the wrong thing to do, period. Old School.

          • Other Scott

            Cagayan was the exact same situation as this season.

          • sharculese

            And they learned their lesson.

          • Other Scott

            Having the greatest season in 5 years taught them not to do a final 2? I mean, you could argue that they almost ended up with Woo vs Kass, but instead they got the worst choice of who to take to FTC ever.

          • sharculese

            Right, worst choice ever. I’m pretty sure production knows they got incredibly luck with Woo’s decision (I’m definitely sure Probst knows it) and I don’t think they’re tempting fate any time soon again.

        • turgid_legume

          It seems almost certain. There are 7 more episodes before the finale (May 18), so that means there will be 4 going into the double elimination finale night. A jury of 9 and a final 2 would match up exactly with the first BBB season. A jury of 8 and a final 3 would be weird.

          Also, Mark Burnett is on record saying there are three evacuations, and if you count Liz as the first then that means there will be one more. That also implies that there’s an episode coming where there is no tribal council or vote, which is always sad.

          • Other Scott

            Jury of 8 and final 3 happens pretty often recently. Caramoan, SJDS, World’s Apart. (I believe Phillippines as well, though I still haven’t seen it)

          • turgid_legume

            Good point. I don’t know why I thought that was weird.

          • Hornacek

            Are we counting people that got medevac’d after getting voted out in that “3 evacuations this season” count? Because in his RHAP interview Peter said he got evac’d after getting voted out for surgery on his hand (and I think his back too). So if that’s the case, we’ve already had 3 medevacs.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          They’re still one boot ahead of schedule because of Caleb’s medevac. There are other ways to solve the problem but one is to let it go to a F2 instead of an F3.

          • Other Scott

            I’d say that’s the best solution. I only tolerate the final 3 because I know they sometimes need it to make the number of boots in the number of episodes work.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            They build in medevacs and quits into their schedule now. It most likely just means we won’t have a double-boot episode.

      • sharculese

        It’s possible. But I also don’t think Peter knows how Survivor works.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I doubt it on numbers if it’s a final 2 it’s 9 Jurors and if it’s a 3 that’s 8.

  • Let’s play a game: Without looking it up, can you predict what the title of next week’s episode is?

    • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

      “Shoving Nerds Into Lockers”?

      • No…although the episode after that is called “The Jocks vs. The Pretty People”.

        • Missed opportunity, then.

          • I will give you a hint: It’s not that exciting for a merge episode.

          • “It’s Not That Exciting For a Merge Episode” is pretty fucking meta.

          • Considering this week’s episode was called “Play or Go Home”, they can be fairly meta.

          • Purplerockmatt

            wow that really isnt

          • It’s sad.

      • Purplerockmatt

        and i think Jason said geeks in the preview

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      “Thanks for Saving My Life, Doc”?

    • Diego Armando

      HOLY CRAP! SOMEBODY LOST AN ARM!

    • All right, I will share: “It’s Merge Time”…That’s right “It’s Merge Time”.

      • Diego Armando

        Mine was much better. Also my cat walking across a keyboard could make a better title than that.

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    Where is Hornacek? I have things to do!

    • Hornacek

      I’m here, I’m here!

  • Hornacek

    Random thoughts:

    Was Cydney massaging Jason’s legs while he was laying in the shelter?

    The timing of DEBBIE PART-TIME MODEL appearing could not have been better.

    Do the treemail messages usually describe the challenge in such great detail?

    “Let’s go, Blue!” Even the players aren’t bothering learing the tribe names.

    How pissed did Scot look every time Nick sunk a buoy into his own basket?

    Poor Liz. Voted out 3 episodes ago and she’s still being insulted thanks to Peter’s scheming.

    Did we say Peter was the most arrogant player this season? Hello, Nick.

    Now Peter’s the cancer? I can’t remember, who was the cancer last week?

    Joe has a hard head.

    As soon as Jeff said this challenge requiring teamwork I knew the tribe with Joe and Peter would lose.

    And Peter knocks over his tower. Nice.

    At least Tai never brings up using his idol for Julia. He learned his lesson last time.

    I love a tribal where people are whispering while other people are talking.

    Ok we have to keep Julia if only to see more of her attractive handwriting.

    Wait, why are they showing what name Aubry wrote. Oh, the old “will they edit their vote” trick.

    IRONY ALERT: Peter is disappointed with Joe after he’s voted out, and Joe is the only one that didn’t vote for him!

    Peter thinks he got voted out because of the box stacking. That’s so adorable!

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      I was actually shocked that Scot praised Nick’s effort tonight. It was much more sportsman-like than I expected.

      • DrVanNostrand

        He’s a good damn sportsmanship, man!

    • DrVanNostrand

      I never watch the final words, but if that’s why Peter thinks he got voted out, it is one of the most incredibly ‘Peter’ thoughts I’ve ever heard. Never change, Peter!!!!

      • Hornacek

        If he had said “Thanks, Obama!” he would have become my favorite player of the season.

  • Diego Armando

    You may now vote for Michele as a potential winner candidate.

    • gouis

      Who?

      • sharculese

        There’s a Michele on this season?

        • She’s the brunette that Debbie joked was going to drown herself in the ocean.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            “Michelle” sounds like a dragon Debbie needs to slay!

          • Damn Debbie

          • She delivered that line so perfectly. I loved it.

          • gouis

            I said the exact same thing outloud.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I can’t believe my “you know, the pretty brunette” response became non-applicable so quickly.

      • Hornacek

        Way to plant, Michelle!

  • Diego Armando

    I did not think this was possible, but Nick was even worse than Peter at talking to people.

  • Diego Armando

    Uh Peter, you will be taken to a different location than the Jurors, so even if the brains are the next four people gone, you will not see them before you see any of the other remaining players.

  • Diego Armando

    I was wondering if she was going to cross out Julia, due to how long the shot lingered Aubry staring at her name. I am cool with that, since I need her and Tai to vote the same for my fantasy league.

  • So I got mentioned in a passive aggressive Neal tweet. Have I made it as a Survivor fan?

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      I felt like I made it when I got a shout out from the podcast! Hell yeah, you made it!

      • Hornacek

        I always hope Andy will talk about something Canadian and mention my name.

        I need to re-evaluate my life.

        • It’s happened before!

          • Hornacek

            I know!

    • Diego Armando

      Yes, yes you have.

    • I mean, I have my a style of fantasy league play named after me, but I have never had a Survivor get passive aggressive by a conversation I was in. Of course, I was having it with Morgan Strandling, so it was bound to happen.

      • Is Morgan a magnet for passive aggression?

        • No, no, no. She’s a magnet for Survivor alumni, it seems.

          • She’s very nice. And I believe she’s been to casting finals before.

          • She seems very lovely. I apologize for my confusing comment.

          • Oh, I don’t think you implied anything to the contrary. I was just explaining (not mansplaining) why she is followed by Survivors.

          • I would be interested in seeing her play. I know that she got into a casting conversation with Probst, which is rare for a female.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I look forward to her being a likable second boot

          • Well, she is a woman, so…

          • Kemper Boyd

            Yeah this pre-merge boot list goes Man of Colour, Woman, Woman, Woman, Woman, Man of Colour. Not great Survivor, not great.

          • turgid_legume

            Ouch. I hadn’t really thought about it until now, but … yeah.

          • Other Scott

            In the show’s defense, this particular man of colour was voted out because he was a horrible Survivor player. Pretty sure his colour factored in about 0%.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Oh he was 100% TERRIBLE at Survivor, I’m just commenting on the pattern.

          • Cambodia’s pre-merge vote-outs were oddly similar as well:
            White man, WOC, WOC, Gay man, WOC, and MOC.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Hmmmmmm. Cambodia gets more of a pass because it had such a high number of PoC and was won by a MoC. But yeah again despite that not being the reason behind any of the boots the optics are bad.

          • It also doesn’t help that a constant target for vote-outs was another WOC.

          • The only vote out that didn’t make sense was the first one when Alecia was clearly the weakest link. Each of these seem justifiable.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Not really, Liz being taken out because she and Peter weren’t liked and it was presented as Peter being the one they wanted rid of but chose Liz as Peter was worth more in challenges. It’s a classic Survivor move to take out a woman to cripple the man she’s attached to not just take out that man.

          • Yes but it is justified as Peter is more beneficial to them in challenges. (He was great in the immunity challenge this episode). Peter and Liz were equal strategically and on the outs and her disadvantage was she wasn’t as brawny. It wasn’t exactly the case where the woman has no stake in the game and is only caught in cross fire for being the man ally.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Liz hadn’t exactly been a slouch at challenges though. I’m just commenting on the pattern, whether you like it or not the optics of the pattern is not good whether each boot had perfect reasoning doesn’t matter. (can you tell I work in politics?).

          • Can you tell that I am a woman of color? lol. It definitely doesn’t look good as a pattern. I was just thinking of the reasoning of the players that allowed this to happen with/without intention, and not just the statistical outlook of it.

          • I always get minded of the John Rocker situation. If everyone already thinks you’re a racist, yeah, maybe it’s just very unfortunate that your tribe just HAPPENED to vote out its only two members of colour first. But you have to accept that it’s going to look bad.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I’d argue the most damning of all was Darnell when you look at the pattern of first boots. But yeah I do think Darnell and Liz were the only questionable boots even though both would still have been gone just in a different order had they not gone (Darnell when Alicia did and Liz probably when Peter did). Alicia, Jennifer, Peter and Anna were all the right move.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            In almost every season, the individual vote seems justifiable. Yet the pattern is still there.

    • sharculese

      I get the impression passive-aggressive is the number one flavor of Neal tweet.

      • DrVanNostrand

        He’s brimming with misplaced sincerity when tweeting about how much he loves Sheboygan fucking Wisconsin.

        • You’re really passionate about your Sheboygan hate.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I will never forgive Neal for not hating Sheboygan as much as I do.

          • To be fair, that seems like a pretty high bar!

    • Ms_Woozah

      High-five!

  • DrVanNostrand

    Peter is sooooooooooo dumb! He basically did the only thing that was sure to get himself voted out. If he went against the Brains and stuck with it, Joe goes home. If he stays loyal to Brains, Julia goes home. He hit that perfect sweet spot of indecision. He’s really bad at this game.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I was watching it thinking “Peter is so bad at this game”. He is the kind of guy who really thinks he’s good but has shown nothing. The way he buckled under pressure from Joe was terrible. All he had to do was say “you know what Joe, screw you, I’m voting with them” and he’s still here and Joe is gone.

      • But he was so *gloriously* bad at the game that I just wanted him to be around longer.

        • Kemper Boyd

          If you want to be that bad at the game you have to be in the middle of a strong alliance a’la Albert (I don’t think Albert was as bad as Peter just really bad).

      • Hornacek

        “Peter, you buckled like a belt.”
        “You know what the worst part is?”
        “The fact that I’m right about your buckling?”

  • Hornacek

    Why doesn’t Purple Rock have its own hashtag?

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      #NotEveryoneFeelsThisWayAboutSavage

      • Hornacek

        #DontPlayAPostMergeGamePreMerge

    • I thought it was #phrasing

      • Diego Armando

        #AndyTalkingOverJohn

        • Hornacek

          #RobotAndy

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            #Canadiandy

          • #CockGeoblocked

    • #BlameCanada

      • Hornacek

        #ThatBitchAnneMurrayToo

    • Sylvisual

      #SimpsonsReferencesIDontGet

      • That only happens in staff chats.

        • Purplerockmatt

          and every day of his life

    • andythesaint

      #becausewetrynottostealthebitsfromothershows

      • Hornacek

        #SinceWhen?

  • Was anyone a little perturbed that they didn’t clean Joe’s blood off his head after the IC? I know they did for Kelly.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I think it was just an issue of volume. Joe had a small cut, which seemed to clot quickly. Kelly soaked through her damn buff.

      • But he still had blood on him when they got back to camp…It was kinda gross.

        • DrVanNostrand

          As a personal taste, I can see how some might find it a bit gross. I just don’t think medical dropped the ball or anything. He’s a crusty old FBI agent. I’m sure he just didn’t care enough to clean it off.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            He still has some of Kennedy’s blood on him for cryin’ out loud.

          • …wow.

          • Hornacek

            So Joe is Clint Eastwood’s character from In The Line Of Fire?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            That’s who Joe ate for breakfast.

          • I was going to make that joke, but I didn’t feel that I had the credibility for it.

          • That’s a fair point. I guess I am a bit of other people’s blood phobe.

        • Hornacek

          Medical probably offered to put on a bandage but Joe told them “Get that thing away from me!”

          • DrVanNostrand

            “Rub some dirt on it!!”

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      At first I thought that streak of blood was a 3 inch long wound with about 20 stitches in it, which made me laugh hysterically for some reason

  • gouis

    Everyone’s talking about Michele(?????) and I’m just over here enjoying the season of Debbie.

    • I think Debbie is gonna be gone soon. She is making herself into too big of a target, especially as the Brains seem to be splintering.

      • gouis

        How dare you.

        • I feel like she is dangerously close to a downfall edit, especially if she is going after Jason.

      • Violina23

        I give her 2-3 more episodes. Then she’ll have a new job: Survivor Jury Member

        • Purplerockmatt

          i need someone to assemble the full list of chyrons at the end of the day when she is done

          • Hornacek

            Depending on how far she makes it, there could be a clip of all of them in the reunion.

          • Alycia Swift

            I wonder if Probst will make her take a lie detector test like with Coach.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          It would be so awesome if her goodbye episode contained a confessional with a chyron labeling her as “twelfth person voted out of Survivor.”

          • Purplerockmatt

            “mediocre survivor contestant”

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I can’t be the only one who said “called it!” out loud when the “part-time model” chyron popped up.

          • Violina23

            Before she is actually voted out? That’d be BRILLIANT. LOL

      • Prom King

        At this point I’m wondering if we’ll see her in a final three with Aubry and maybe Michelle or Cydney.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          That would be fucking magnificent.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I’d say any 2 of those 3. Hell there are only 5 women left now and I do think Debbie will try and bring Julia in with a motherly vibe so you never know.

          • Side Character

            I’m kinda feeling that a woman is gonna win this one–and based on how they are portrayed on the show, I’d be good with any of them winning. All of the women that are left have had pretty good edits (Julia has not had much, but she could still gain some traction). And aside from Debbie, none of them have had really negative things said about them (and Debbie has had positive stuff too, so it seems to mostly negate the bad stuff). Meanwhile the guys are not being portrayed too favourably (except Tai, because Tai is awesome; and Neal, who’s barely being portrayed at all). Perhaps that all-women alliance Debbie is hinting at is gonna come into fruition. In any case, it’s looking like it’s gonna be a good season heading into the merge.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I agree. A woman winning and not Debbie makes sense with Jeff’s underhyping of the season. I think the fact they’ve shown Debbie say “I want to see a woman win this” twice to two women and Cydney who preseason talked about disliking women talk about having use for a mother type plus the Beauty women’s alliance really does point towards a female winner, if not an all female FTC.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            (Standard disclaimer this season: My pre-season winner picks were Jenny and Liz). I think Jason is going to go on a rampage in the early post-merge, emulating his role model Russell Hantz and taking out the men (other than Scott and Tai) and keeping the dumb-ass women around. Usually, non-Kim women’s alliances aren’t stable enough to last or even form in the first place, but Jason’s strategy will given them a numbers advantage and his behavior will appall them enough to form a united front.

          • sharculese

            I just said this downthread, but I’m actually starting to question whether Kyle has a Russell-style game in him at all. He’s mastered the lying and being a dick to people parts, but he’s well… lazy. And that’s the one thing Russell never was. I was talking about it in regards to camp life, but I think it applies to the game as well. Russell was constantly working everyone around him either to find cracks or to make sure what he had set up was still solid. Kyle, from all appearances, does just enough to stabilize the situation and then takes a nap.

            In a way he’s kind of like the anti-Tony. Where Tony took the part of Russell’s game where you play at a million miles a second, he also realized that only works if people still like you (or he was just naturally better at being likable). Kyle seems to have homed in on the parts where your abrasive and manipulative, without learning the part where you’re always thinking ten steps ahead.

            And I kind of think that if he gets voted off, that’s gonna be why – he gets caught of guard by something he totally could have planned for but didn’t, because that’s not a skillset he has or a level of effort he’s capable of.

          • Alycia Swift

            Oh I just said some of the idea before I saw your post.

          • sharculese

            Having other people say the same thing just convinces me that I’m not insane.

            I do think we’ve seen Kyle take one page out of the Russell playbook – immediately making deals with everyone. It’s just that that’s literally one page of the playbook, and by far not the most important one.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            To be fair (why in the world am I sticking up for him?), with his alliances and sub-alliances set and his tribe not going to tribal council, I’m not sure what else he could be doing at this stage except maybe look for the non-existent idol on his new beach. I think he’s taking it easy now, like a playoff-bound team the last few regular-season games, precisely so he can come out blazing after the merge.

          • sharculese

            Oh for sure, it’s not a terrible game, but it’s also not at all the Russell game.

          • Alycia Swift

            We can only hope that the women will get him out even before the rampage. He really has not done much that Russell did though, has he? No hiding things, burning things, etc. No Russell seeds.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I don’t know about that! I think her crazy side will always make people like Kyle, Nick or Neal think that she is just too crazy to win and perceived weakness is a strength post merge.

      • Nick could be her downfall.

    • Diego Armando

      I honestly think Debbie is playing the best game at the moment. I think she could potentially win.

      • DrVanNostrand

        If so, Nicole Cesternino is a savant.

        • Hornacek

          #Nicolestradamus

      • Hornacek

        Wanner Edit!

      • Kemper Boyd

        It’s Coach with actual game. I don’t know if she knows that she is off the wall cuckoo bananas but she shows enough cuckoo for people to want to work with her and not see her as someone to go after yet whilst I think showing enough game play to win their votes if she gets to Final 3. I am genuinely enjoying it.

        • VoicOff

          “off the wall cuckoo bananas” had me laugh a lot. I don’t know if it’s really funny or if it’s because english isn’t my first language and i am tired. Anyway great expression.

      • Other Scott

        It’s Debbie and Scot for best games right now, yeah.

        • Purplerockmatt

          because of Alecia I think we have discounted Scot, but I think he is actually playing pretty damn well.

          • gouis

            I want Jason gone ASAP so I can just have my Scot/Tai bromance in peace.

          • Diego Armando

            My reason for discounting him is that I am unsure if they would give a million dollars to a professional athlete. He is playing a good game.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I am invested as she was my preseason winner pick (before conventional wisdom picked her too!) but I felt like her confessional about Nick is one of two things firstly it’s a great winner quote “I don’t need to be carried, bro” or it’s a foreshadow of her demise at Nick’s hands.
      That being said it doesn’t matter who wins this season, it’s the season of Debbie. #wanneredit.

  • DrVanNostrand

    Aubry seems to have a pretty good head for the game. Her decision tonight was a tough one, but her basic read of the room was right, and she thought about all the angles pretty well. It was funny, though, that she was all about ‘Brains unity!’ when Peter was targeting Joe, but quickly abandoned that when she heard he was targeting her. It’s the ultimate Survivor cliche. It’s easy to be a gamebot when someone else’s head is on the chopping block.

    • Aubry may be one of the most well-rounded people out there. She’s a strategic threat yet no one on that tribe went after her this week. She’s good in comps and seems to work well with men and women of all ages. I just worry about her overanalysis.

      • Diego Armando

        She is definitely living up to her Sophie comparison.

        • Alycia Swift

          But not so more her Cochran comparison. More like Fischbach 1.0.

  • MrBurkesButtons

    Was Aubry wearing Joe’s firefighter T-shirts? If so, that’s adorable.

    • sharculese

      At one point she definitely was.

  • Violina23

    LOVED the editing bait-and-switch. And I TOTALLY fell for it. Well played, Survivor editors, well played.

    I don’t think she’s going to make the finals, but I’m really enjoying Aubrey.

    Looks like we have more asshole Jason and douche Nick to look forward to next week… ugh.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      It was so refreshing not hearing from Jason at all this episode

      • sharculese

        That was pretty great.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Wait, Dude why did you lady up your name and avatar? I resent this conformity to the gender norms of society.

        • If you want, I’ll dress my avatar in drag to make up for it.

          • Kemper Boyd

            We already have Sharcules…

          • sharculese

            Fun story: there’s a politics blog I post where for a while we were infested with a troll who was generally liberal but really dismissive towards anything involving reproductive rights or rape/sexual assault.

            Like a lot of people, he assumed I was a woman, and when, someone corrected him, he totally lost his shit. He called me a ‘gender fraud’ and insisted that everyone who was on my side (which was literally everyone, because nobody else cared and dude was an asshole) of being morally equivalent to someone who hands the keys to a drunk driver.

            It got to the point where GENDER FRAUD is still a meme there.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          I did it in a semi-ironic way last week because I kept getting referred to as a guy on here, but now I kind of like it 😮

          • Kemper Boyd

            OK, as long as you like it. I withdraw my righteous feminist anger. I always get referred to as a guy on new forums so I usually being with an “as a woman” comment early to try and bed in.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Sorry.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            No apologies needed. If you met me in person and thought I was a guy, then I might get upset 😉

    • Alycia Swift

      I think Aubrey might make the finals bc I think she’ll slide into the background in some ways. Everyone goes to her. She’s good enough in challenges not to be a liability but not so good to be a threat.

      • Kemper Boyd

        She’s very quiet and I’m not sure she can make the argument of what she did.

        • Violina23

          which makes her a decent goat candidate.

        • Alycia Swift

          I get the impression she can. She’s very good at what she says at tribal. She’s good at letting others say their piece and listening to their concerns.

    • Prom King

      I hope you are wrong about Aubry. She’s been my pick to win since episode one. Go, Aubry, go!

    • Kemper Boyd

      The bait and switch was great but also it’s how I like episodes to go. The story from both sides makes the challenges meaningful.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Mmmm did that reward challenge make anyone else hungry for tuna salad that’s been warming in the sun for 2 hours?

    • DrVanNostrand

      Worst. Reward. Ever.

      Scratch that, Jack and Jill exists.

      • Alkanarra

        Sophie Clarke might not be my favorite winner, but man did she earn points with her “what is this crap” reaction shot to that movie playing.

        • sharculese

          Sophie won me over in episode 1 with her dismissive reaction to Coach’s sad attempts to speak Russian.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            She probably just knew a different dialect.

          • sharculese

            Everyone American who learns Russian learns a Moscow dialect.

            But as someone who minored in Russian, Coach’s attempts at connecting with her really were that bad. What he did was equivalent to trying to impress an English speaker by knowing the word “salutations.”

          • The only words I know in Russian are nyet, comrade, and all of the lyrics to Porushka Paranya.

          • Purplerockmatt

            do svidaniya

          • sharculese

            What about “privyet,” the word Coach was trying for and failed at?

            Also ‘comrade’ obviously isn’t atcually Russian, but for the record the Russian is ‘tovarisch.’

          • Nope!

          • Hornacek

            All of my Russian language knowledge comes from Colossus in the X-Men comics.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Her reluctant acceptance of her fate as a member of the Jesus lovin’ tribe really impressed me.

          • turgid_legume

            That’s honestly one of the most impressive things I’ve ever seen someone pull off on Survivor, speaking as an atheist.

          • Kemper Boyd

            It’s another reason I like Sophie as a winner, because I would really struggle as a secularly raised Jew (atheist with some cultural stuff). Her ability to just suck it up for 39 days with people she didn’t really have anything in common with or like (she seems to genuinely hate Albert) was masterful.

          • sharculese

            Brian Corridan did the same thing in Guatemala, it’s just was much less of a factor on the game.

          • Ms_Woozah

            Sophie had so many great moments. Her “Coach is my young girl” speech is one of my all-time favorite Survivor things.

          • sharculese

            In my ranking of awesome shit Sophie did it’s behind “Albert, pick up my tiles,” but only barely.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I have “Coach is my young girl”, “Albert pick up my tiles” then “will you shut the fuck up and let me finish”.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Sophie is the winner with the personality most similar to mine, that is a personality that shouldn’t really be good at the game especially on a 21 year old woman who in Survivor is expected to be pretty and not do much and that is why I like her as a winner. I don’t have her high on my list but she really understood herself and how she had to play to win and then she did it.

        • Prom King

          She had so many awesome moments. One of my favorite winners! From one of my least favorite seasons.

          • Kemper Boyd

            You and I agree on so much.

          • Prom King

            I’ve noticed that!

      • They should make Batman vs. Superman the reward for a challenge this season.

        • Ms_Woozah

          Too far.

        • sharculese

          I don’t think that movie was finished when they filmed this season.

          But also, no.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Kaoh Rong could become a top-10 season if they did a Survivor Cinema reward with a movie released in October-November 2015, and it’s an already-forgotten stinker like Pan or Victor Frankenstein.

        • turgid_legume

          Only if someone gets to sit on a giant chair.

          • Other Scott

            Or inside a batmobile.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Jack and Jill is still such an amazing reward for the pan shot of all the guys laughing and Sophie and Edna Ma both eating popcorn stonefaced.

      • Hornacek

        Wasn’t there a challenge in Borneo where the reward was a single slice of pizza?

    • andythesaint

      Tuna melt.

    • Other Scott

      Pretty sure that stuff they show at the challenge is fake and they deliver the real stuff to the camp.

  • Diego Armando

    I have posted a review of the episode at https://robertsreviewsandmusings.wordpress.com/. Please feel free to leave a comment or suggestion of how I can improve. Thank you for your time.

  • Sylvisual

    It’s not saying much, but Scot might be the best ex-athlete to be on the show so far.

    • sharculese

      I’ve previously mentioned that I ranked all of them before the season just to see where Scot would fair, but yeah, I think he’s on pace to come in second to Tyson. All that remains to be seen is if he has a Jeff Kent-esque misstep post-merge.

      • Sylvisual

        I keep forgetting Tyson was an athlete and not…another A word.

        • sharculese

          He can be two things.

      • Prom King

        I know he was a professional cyclist, but when I think of people like Scot, Cliff Robinson, Rocker, Jeff Kent, etc., I’m not putting Tyson in that group because he was not a known presence in his sport before coming on to Survivor.

        • DrVanNostrand

          Don’t forget Gary Hawkins! The original.

          • Prom King

            Ha! One of my favorites actually. I’ve had good luck with ex-pro athletes on Survivor: most of them added something entertaining or interesting to their seasons. Even Rocker.

        • sharculese

          Oh I know, and the rest of the list is structured around the metric you articulated, which is why it includes Ashley Massaro and Jimmy Johnson. But then I said fuck it and put Tyson in first place because he’s Tyson.

          • Prom King

            I take it you are a fan of Tyson? I really enjoyed him in his winning season. Hated him in his first season and found him amusing in his second.

          • sharculese

            I would call myself this site’s second biggest Tyson fan.

          • Prom King

            You can’t leave me hanging… who’s on first?

          • sharculese

            John

          • Hornacek

            Yes.

      • Other Scott

        Scot has played better than Tyson 1.0 I think. (And obviously better than Tyson 2.0)

        • sharculese

          In all fairness, I’m pretty sure Tyson 1.0 just wanted an expensive camping trip paid for by someone else and didn’t actually consider actually playing the game until he thought he might win.

          • Alycia Swift

            Tyson 1.0 (and Coach) treated Sierra and to some extent Erin a lot like Scott and Jason treated Alecia.

          • sharculese

            Tyson 1.0 was also a lot younger than Kyle or Scot, and seems to have grown out of that kind of bullshit.

            I give no passes to Coach or Debbie.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Joe is so cranky! Any bets on whether he will hate or love Jason??

    • Hates. Won’t find him trustworthy.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        No love lost between FBI and a bounty hunter, I think.

        Note that I’m basing that opinion entirely on the movie Midnight Run.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          “I got two words for you: Shut the fuck up!”

    • DrVanNostrand

      Love. Law and order, military background. Two peas in a pod.

    • this bear is tops blooby

      I second hates. He’ll find him lazy and useless like Debbie.

    • turgid_legume

      Jason seems to like to sit around and do nothing at camp and let everyone around him do the work, so for that reason alone I think Joe will dislike him.

      • sharculese

        What cracks me up was the Kyle’s initial excuse for getting out of doing an work was emulating Scot, who was legitimately wiped out from adjusting his giant body to a starvation diet. But now that Scot isn’t around, and most of the people with him have never played with Scot… he’s still doing it, while Scot seems to be doing his fair share of the work at Gondolin.

        Also, for someone who claims Russell is the only person who ‘ever played the game correctly’ he does not seem to get what a big component of Russell’s game was being in near constant motion.

  • Ms_Woozah

    What’s the record on people changing their minds at tribal council without immunity idols in play? This season has got to be up there already.

    Nick is so hilariously bad at this game it’s almost endearing. Not quite, though.

    • sharculese

      Do we know that Aubry changed her mind at tribal council? It was made to look that way, but Scot was acting like he had a plan in place to vote out Peter long before then. I’m not saying his behavior is definitive, but I wouldn’t be shocked to find out that Aubry was breaking from Joe a while before they got there and it was just edited to seem ambiguous.

      • Ms_Woozah

        I would definitively call crossing out a name as a change of mind, yeah.

        • sharculese

          I forgot about that, good point. Still, until we here from Aubry I want to put this one in the ‘two options that were both in the running until the last minute’ camp of tribal decisions.

          • andythesaint

            I will put this in the “definitely overthinking things” camp.

          • sharculese

            A chance to overthink things is half of the appeal of talking about Survivor on the internet.

      • I think this was Aubry’s attempt to flip on Joe without Joe actually believing she’d flipped on him. ‘I just changed my mind at the last minute’ is a SLIGHTLY easier sell than ‘I…misspelled?”.

    • I admit I’m finding Nick kind of endearing anyway. Mostly because my other options are low. Sometimes you have to take what you can get, EVEN IF that person is Nick.

    • tocantins

      What I don’t get about the “original plan” thing is why did they have to tell Julia about it? If the new plan is supposedly vote out Julia, surely they didn’t tell her that?

      • Roswulf

        It’s possible they were distinguishing between the “Vote Peter” plan and the “Vote Aubrey” plan, both of which Julia was at times exposed to.

        • tocantins

          But then the original plan would be to vote Aubrey, no? (In fact, that was what I expected would happen throughout most of the TC.)

  • turgid_legume

    I think I’m almost ready to throw my Pick-4 team’s buff in the fire. After losing Peter tonight I’m down to Neal and Nick. Nick is clearly not long for this game. I still have ultimate and unwavering faith in the ice cream man, but I don’t think a solo team can win. Maybe if he goes on a total immunity streak and pulls off a couple of idol plays I still have a chance. But wow, did I ever misjudge Peter. Nick I knew was probably going to be slimy, but I never thought he’d be a mansplaining tool of that caliber. Good grief. Talk about two guys that are just bad at Survivor.

    My Champions league team is still holding on with Neal and Scot, so there’s still a small Bic-sized flame of hope.

    • sharculese

      I think the problem with Nick is that he’s playing up a very specific persona and that 1.) he didn’t realize that that persona was gonna come off as offputting to most people and 2.) he didn’t bother to think about what his edit would look life if he didn’t win.

      • turgid_legume

        I dunno… “He’s playing a persona” is seeming more and more like a fairy tale that we all accepted because holy hell nobody could be that out of touch and up their own ass, right? But I think after a certain number of days out there your natural personality is just bound to come out, and I didn’t get any sense that he was acting when he was trying to steamroll Michele into submission and treating her like shit. And if it was an act, that’s no better, because it’s a terrible way to treat someone for no upside.

        • sharculese

          I think it’s little of from column a and a little from column b. He’s playing up constructed character, but the reason the character of ‘colossal d-bag’ appeals to him is because there are already elements of it in his personality. Most of what he does comes off as so staged, but even when he lets the veil drop he’s still an asshole.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I agree with the bean man. I think he thinks he’s playing a persona but that persona is in fact the real him.

      • I think Nick is shooting for Malcolm and…missing.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I would tend to agree with this assessment. I have had a strong sense since the cast bios came out that Nick had carefully constructed this character that he for some reason thought would be appealing to fans. Maybe he thought he’d be the villain we love to hate, like a Fairplay type? But he’s just not good enough in the game to come off as anything but an unpleasant guy with fairly poor social skills right now.

        • sharculese

          I think he’s gettting the edit Spencer would have gotten in Cagayan if circumstances hadn’t saved him from himself. The difference is that Spencer was 22.

      • Other Scott

        I think he’s playing a different persona in confessionals than he is in the game, or at least he thinks he is. The Michele thing on its own wasn’t *that* bad, it was pretty typical, but he comes up with the douchiest explanations of things in confessionals.

        I think he’s fine being the villain. He thought it would get him air-time. It did not.

        • sharculese

          Maybe he’ll get more airtime now that Peter is gone. Part of his problem is that he was trying so hard to be the biggest d-bag on the island and he had the bad luck to be up against someone to who it came effortlessly.

        • Alycia Swift

          Its a bit like Dan spoke to the other women (not just Sharin) in Worlds Apart (open your ears, etc.).

    • Prom King

      Did you pick Savage last time?

      • turgid_legume

        Nope. Not a fan of his.

        • Prom King

          Ah, okay. Just saw a connection between Nick & Peter & Savage’s personalities, and thought you might be a fan of that personality type. I am, to root against at least. I love having at least one per season.

      • Other Scott

        It’s easy to remember who turgid picked last time, because they were the top four finishers.

        • turgid_legume

          Also known as that freak luck thing that I shall never repeat no matter how hard I try.

          • Other Scott

            You don’t have to. You just have to pick good enough CL teams to stay in forever and ever.

          • Trust me, that’s not as easy as it sounds.

          • Other Scott

            I mean, I’m comparing it to trying to make my way through the pick-4 slaughterhouse

          • turgid_legume

            At draft time I thought Emma had a very reasonable team, perhaps even a little envious, and yeaaaah.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Reminder that before this season I was the ALL TIME POINTS LEADER.

            It can happen to anyone.

          • andythesaint

            Stats-compiler. I think we know that the true metric is average points per season.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I still have a pretty good track record, especially is you count my previous foray in the outcasts league.

        • Prom King

          I can barely commit my pick 4’s to memory, let alone anyone else’s!

          But that is actually pretty incredible.

  • turgid_legume

    Peter in his final words: “If this was over stacking boxes, I’ll never hear the end of it.” That was worth a real laugh. Dude, you are so not good at this game.

  • this bear is tops blooby

    Oh Peter, why are you so stupid?

    The dude’s in a confessional but still feels the need to lie. “A certain element of truth”?!! No, that was the whole truth jerk! Though I think Peter needs to lie to himself more than anyone else. That’s definitely a house of cards waiting to collapse.

    Joe catching him in a lying was great. Dance fool dance!

    Nick is awful. But he is a psychopath so it makes sense.

    Jason, Kyle, whatever the hell his first name is, still useless. He doesn’t do a damn thing apparently accept take the credit for others.

    Debbie does some modeling from time to time. I can sort of see it (saw the link above!).

    I like Joe, but he seems a little too rigid to make it far in the game.

    Aubry needed to go with Joe when he wanted to vote him out, but she changes her mind once she gets wind now that she’s a target, so it’s understandable for Joe to not want to switch since she made him make up with Doctor Douche bag!

    The Brains were over thinking this one.

    Scot and Tai’s mini conference at tribal was great.

    Aubry changes her vote mid-vote. I should’ve guess when they showed her write “Julia”.

    Goodbye, Peter, and yes, it was totally for the blocks challenge.

    • tocantins

      I really get where Joe is coming from; Aubrey was awful. While she thought that they were gunning for Joe, she pushes him into making up with Peter. The moment she gets wind that they might be gunning her instead, suddenly trusting Peter is not good enough anymore. Now the possibility that he might flip is too dangerous, as someone that is actually important might be going home if that happens.

  • Kemper Boyd

    I’m kind of excited for this merge. It feels like there are no solid groups around. So it could either be really exciting or shambolic. Either way you feel edit aside anyone can win.

    • Shambo-lic, you say?

      • Kemper Boyd

        I wanted to make a pun then realised the word Shambo is in shambolic so just left it.

  • Other Scott

    Really great all around episode. Kind of what I needed to get in on this season. Even before the last minute switch on the deciding vote, I was really enjoying this episode.

    I don’t think Peter was super arrogant compared to the average Survivor player. His problem is almost that he’s way too honest with everything and doesn’t hold back some of what he’s really thinking. In Survivor, everyone’s duplicitous, but if you’re honest about how duplicitous you are it just looks really, really bad. Bad player, but fun and interesting to have on the season.

    Debbie is that perfect combination of underestimated but everyone thinks she’s on their side. That’s good playing, but once you get down to the jury I don’t know how well that style of game play flies.

    I guess Neal took this episode off.

    • I don’t think Peter was ever duplicitous until this episode, and when he was confronted about it he wasn’t honest. Him thinking that people would fall in line with his plan while talking down to them is simply arrogance.

      • Something Quirky

        I’d say he was duplicitous when he and Liz thought they were running the game and pretended to be buddies with Neal and Aubry while wanting to vote them out.

      • tocantins

        I think people would fall in line with his plan. The moment he lost is when he backpedaled on voting out Aubrey. (And he made it even worse by letting the others know he changed his mind.) Then the bottom 3 had no choice but trying to find another target.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I think Peter also seems to have a really bad sense of other people and how they perceive him (hence his thinking that he was voted out because he messed up the challenge, rather than because people disliked and distrusted him).
      I also think you’re right that he was too open. He must be a really bad liar, judging by the way he froze when Joe approached him. I’ve known very analytical people like that before, and often they don’t think quickly on their feet in social situations.

    • Alycia Swift

      He did have a problem with the idea that people are better because of their looks so they should be followed.

  • I was about to come here and wonder aloud as to if there is a single guy on this season now who is not awful.

    Then I remembered Tai is still in the game. Phew. But it’s a sad state of affairs when the tally of men on this show I don’t hate is:

    1. Tai
    2. Beast Mode Cowboy
    3. That bloke that got voted off first

    • Something Quirky

      What’s awful about Joe and Neal?

      • I knock off 10 personality points every time someone refers to another tribe member as a cancer. I’m a harsh but fair hater.

  • turgid_legume

    Am I the only one worrying that the scrapes on Tai’s legs will lead to an evacuation? In that Mark Burnett interview he specifically talks about infection (although that could be in reference to Liz), and in the early previews they show a closeup of a gnarly scab that looks a whole lot like Tai’s leg.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      At this point I’m worried that ~every~ injury will lead to a medevac (and I think the editors are majorly playing that up) but Tai would be particularly tragic 🙁

    • Diego Armando

      My guess is that it refers to Joe’s finger.

    • Other Scott

      Editors are completely playing with us at this point. Joe’s finger, Tai’s legs, Joe’s head wound.

    • gouis

      NO!

    • Roswulf

      AAAAAAH! STOP IT! THAT IS TOO PLAUSIBLE TO EVEN SPECULATE ABOUT

      I’d think that would also guarantee “Survivor: Tai v. Caleb”

      • itsafuckingSTICK

        If Tai and Caleb ever get brought back in the same season they absolutely MUST be placed on the same tribe. Any thing else would be a travesty.

        • I have a feeling that any tribe Tai is over on will involve some guy having a bromance with him. I mean, it’s Tai.

    • Hornacek

      It’s getting really scary. First we hear that Liz got medevac’d after getting voted out with staff infection surgery on her back, then Peter said on his RHAP interview he got medevac’d for surgery too. Are any of the jury members going to have to be medevac’d for surgery too?

  • Roswulf

    Did anyone else think Aubrey was notably terrible at tribal? She was highlighting her problems with Peter, at a point where she was at least considering sticking with him AND plausibly needed his vote that night. Whether you want to blindside him or work with him, there’s no benefit to putting him on alert.

    • sharculese

      “Struggles with difficult emotional situations” would seem to match the profile with Aubry, and it makes me wonder what happens if she’s in the final 3.

      • Alycia Swift

        Another Amanda Kimmel?

        • sharculese

          I wouldn’t be shocked if that ended up being an apt analogy.

    • andythesaint

      I think she was notably terrible the entire episode.

      • prettyboyprobst

        She really was, but even then the cameras still loved her. Ok, maybe not exactly in the scene withTai and Julia, but overall I think the average viewer comes away from this episode feeling pretty good about Aubry.

  • sharculese

    So I’ve been thinking about it, and I’m a little bummed out we’ve been robbed of an Alex Angarita level douchey FTC question from Peter. Because you know whatever he said would have been the absolute worst.

    • Roswulf

      He might have been amusingly douchey at Ponderosa as well…now I’m sad that they didn’t vote off blandly pleasant Julia (or Scot- really I wish they had bounced Scot. I do not need more Scot Pollard in my life).

    • Other Scott

      I don’t know if that’s fair. Alex Angarita was very attacking in his jury question, whereas Peter never really attacked anyone.

      I have to admit, I kind of like Peter. And I don’t mean just as a character. I just think he lacks self-awareness and social skills.

      • sharculese

        I didn’t mean to imply he’s gonna be an asshole in the same way Alex was, just that he’ll be equally self-absorbed. Maybe it would have been better to say it’s gonna be Heidi Strobel level douchey.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          “If anyone on the jury could be up there in the final 3 instead of you, which handsome ER doctor would it be?”

          • “Probably Debbie. She said she worked as an ER doc for a year or two.”

            “Wow. Ok. But…is there anyone else?”

          • Diego Armando

            They answered the question

          • Hornacek

            Jeff: “Peter, sit down.”

    • Alycia Swift

      Or we could be missing an “how awesome/beautiful am I” question.

    • Prom King

      There’s a chance that Nick could fulfill that role.

      • sharculese

        I don’t think Nick’s FTC will be as cartoonishly awful as Peter’s would have been.

        • itsafuckingSTICK

          I’m thinking any FTC question asked by Nick will end up being extremely disappointing, something like, ‘What have you learned about yourself this season,’ or, ‘Why should your opponent win?’

  • VoicOff

    The theme seemed to be “Men are dumb”. Peter and Nick versus Debbie, Michelle and Aubry. i liked that. More screen time for the ladies, less for the abrasive bros (Scott and Jason).

    I am not into woman but Cydney is gorgeous. I want to get back to the gym now.

    • Prom King

      Super gorgeous. I fell even more in love with her when she talked about her own story (college, how people perceive her). We need more character moments like that from her.

  • Dutch

    And the award for the most unpoetically read treemail goes to……this episode. I miss when they read the poems that kept survivors guessing. Now it’s basically an instruction manual….and not like an Ikea one.