Survivor Millennials vs Gen X Episode 1 Liveblog: “May the best generation win”

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  • Kemper Boyd

    Is this an hour and a half? Oh well, exhausted for work tomorrow it is!

  • Mike Hirsch

    Whenever Taylor is onscreen, I can feel my IQ dropping substantially.

    • Diego Armando

      I thought he would be the lovable douche, not the annoying one.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Turns out those cannot be two things.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I grew up in a surf town and am getting terrible high school flashbacks. I legitimately knew people who said “gnar gnar.”

      • Hornacek

        The closest I got was when I saw the Smurfs turn purple and say “gnap gnap”.

      • Mike Hirsch

        I’m liking that even though that must have been horrible.

  • Ms_Woozah

    Dangit, Roswulf, you were right. I shoulda gone with Will.

    • Other Scott

      I only had three choices, and I never really considered picking Rachel

      • Mike Hirsch

        I’m feeling ok about my Lucy pick but am worried that Paul is the likely heart attack.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Paul’s pretty tan though, those legs were white. And Paul does all kinds of beach stuff all the time. And he’s on my fantasy team.

          So, Chris!

          • Purplerockmatt

            not Bret?

          • Both of these are good picks.

            EDIT: Especially since Probst said “buddy”. We know he doesn’t talk that way about women…primarily because they quit before they get medevaced.

          • Diego Armando

            Also the pronoun he was used.

          • I missed the “he”. I just laughed when Probst said “buddy”. I am waiting for his umbrella to arrive.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Bret is hairless… It is why he and Will will bond after the merge.

          • Alycia Swift

            He was also pretty tan. But David was pretty white.

          • However, David got that confessional to end the NTOS. They typically don’t do that with the evacuee (for example: Kass with Terry’s evacuation).

          • Hornacek

            for a fly guy

          • Alycia Swift

            Funny. I did not even think like that. I should have said really pale. But for some reason I started to think of David as the fly from the original Fly movie (not the Jeff Goldblum version) when you said that.

            I have to go back to work. Today I’d rather just sit and read comments. I stayed up way too late on this site last night.

      • sharculese

        I’m feeling better about swiping Paul from you. He appears to be not irritating and in with the majority.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Your sacrifice for the lulz has been noted.

    • Diego Armando

      Who has 2 thumbs and hates himself for pickin Figgy? This guy.

    • Roswulf

      A belated smug grin.

      You all thought my Will plan was MAD! MAD I SAY!

      (But seriously I would have picked Rachel in your place. I actually liked Rachel pre-game, and only booted her from my Pick 4 because exactly this happening seemed reasonably likely)

  • Scarlett3639

    I can’t believe Gen X voted out a POC! Did the united colors of Benetton ad campaign teach them nothing!

  • Do we have any idea why we got votes for CiCi?

    • Purplerockmatt

      I mean… yes

      • Besides being a POC.

        • Purplerockmatt

          oh… no

        • Purplerockmatt

          but it did sound like she and rachel had formed a bond and since she was the ally of the outsider, she becomes a secondary target

          • That was my hunch, but it still felt really weird to see those votes pop up especially if they still thought that David had an idol.

          • Purplerockmatt

            yeah agreed

        • gouis

          Then no

    • Ms_Woozah

      Ugh

    • Diego Armando

      They didn’t want to anger David? I have no idea. David would have been my target, since Rachel is a harmless liability, but David is an erratic liability.

      • Agreed. David screams “SoPa Cochran”.

        • Purplerockmatt

          I was hoping David would be Penner, but I knew he wouldn’t

          • Diego Armando

            Zeke is the Penner.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Zeke is amazing. love Zeke.

          • sharculese

            I’m reluctantly throwing away all of my Zeke burns, because he charmed me.

            Except “Zeke is the guy who thinks he’s the life of the party, but actually is only invited because he knows where to get the best cocaine,” because that one was too good.

          • Alycia Swift

            Love him. I don’t see Richard hatch as Probst described. Penner is more appropriate. I also see a bit of Cesternino 1.0

          • Ms_Woozah

            Zeke’s long ear-to-ear grin after he started the fire was what got me. Super charming.

          • Me too. He’s not even a Varner because at least Varner was good with the outdoors in AO.

        • Diego Armando

          I thought that the first time I saw him.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        But weren’t they only splitting the vote because they thought David had an idol? Then shouldn’t he be one of the people they vote for?

  • the sky is falling

    Can we chill on the retweets in live Blog? Sry, new guy.
    Some random thoughts and questions:
    can we please love David this season?
    What generation are people born in 1983?
    quote of the night, “I need to squash that in the butt”
    Runner up, “let’s make a bowling”
    Since when is not afraid to work hard a hallmark of generation x, I thought that we were slackers.

    I will hang up and listen to reply

    • Kemper Boyd

      Most of the retweets are either by the regular commenters as twitter is an easier medium to live comment or from Survivors or members of the larger community. I like them, otherwise this comment section would be 50 comments of my stream of consciousness!

    • Purplerockmatt

      I am not new at the live blog, been doing it since it started. I always try and work in tweets, but this episode felt way heavier than usual I agree, and it felt like I didn’t have time to comment myself, so maybe I’ll try and find a balance where I am commenting more.

      Yeah as someone born in 1983 Survivor forgot us.

      I actually like David as a personality, but I have to critique his gameplay which is pretty awful thus far.

      • I think part of the problem is that a) this episode is longer, so there’s more things to tweet about and b) there was a lot of bad moves to make fun of.

        • Purplerockmatt

          also premieres probably bring out more people making time to liveblog, so there are more tweets i was seeing. because i was seeing a lot more tweets than usual

      • I think he was calling himself the new guy.

        • Purplerockmatt

          oh now i see it, whoops

    • Hornacek

      “He’s right, we need more retweets in the live blog!”
      “That’s not what I said …
      “More retweets! More retweets!”

      • m0nit0rman

        MORE DOTS!

        • Hornacek

          “We need more blankets and fewer blankets!”

  • Adam B.

    I believe we got “I’m a threat” before any invocation of the desirability of friend-making.

    • How far we done fell.

  • gouis

    So which one of Jay/Taylor is Eddie and which one is Reynolds?

    • Purplerockmatt

      I think Jay is Reynold and Taylor Eddie… I think

      • Mike Hirsch

        Taylor really is kind of an Eddie/Fabio hybrid.

    • Adam B.

      Reynold! No ‘s’. The ‘s’ is another thing he threw into a thing.

      • gouis

        Pretty sure it’s Reynolds.

        • Adam B.

          And you would be pretty wrong. http://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/cast/205502/

          • Kemper Boyd

            oh mate, his name is definitely Reynolds.

          • Sylvisual

            Reynolds is a Wrap.

          • Guys, Reynolds was on last season. His full name was Caleb Reynolds, so if one of them befriends Zeke, we will know which one is Reynolds for sure.

          • gouis

            All I see is Reynolds. Not sure what you’re talking about…

          • Adam B.

            I’m an authentic Generation X member; born in 1972, was a college DJ when Nevermind came out, read my Douglas Coupland first editions.

            And what that means is that my generation invented sarcasm, invented trolling, and you’re doing it wrong.

          • Purplerockmatt

            classic battle of the generations!

          • gouis

            What’s a Coupland?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            It’s an older model Dan and Phil.

          • sharculese

            This is an excerpt from the exchange I mentioned upthread, where a student of mine didn’t believe phones didn’t always have music on them.

            Me: I don’t suppose you’re Nirvana fan.

            Her: No. My brother has that one album with the naked baby on the cover…

            Me: Nevermind.

            Her. Well sorry I said anything.

            Me: No, that’s what that album is called.

        • Sylvisual

          No one listens to my corrections…

          • Quiet, Millennial! Grown ups are talking!

          • jersey_luck

            Good Sir, we millennials also have our dumb opinions that should be heard.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          Reynolds doesn’t tell us how many S’s are in his name, we tell him. And it’s one.

      • Hornacek

        It’s obviously Reynolds.

    • Kemper Boyd

      They are both Eddie. Until I see one knock down many carnival games none shall be Reynolds.

    • Kingoftonga

      Millennials don’t have the drive and work ethic to open a dog bar. They’re both Reynolds.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Um, Edward Fox III was born in 1989, he is a Millennial! How dare you sir!?

        • Holy shit, is Eddie older than me?

          • Kemper Boyd

            He’s younger than me…

          • He’s 7 months older than me. Good God.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            You think it’s weird now? Just wait until you’re at an age where your genetics and lifestyle catch up with you. Dan Foley is 3 1/2 years younger than Andrew Savage.

          • Speaking of my age, it looks like I will be celebrating my birthday watching Survivor live with y’all. Get excited!

          • Kemper Boyd

            What? When?
            …I turned 30 two weeks ago…

          • November 30th, so we get some time before then.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Survivor? On your birthday? That’s a Rodney “no-no”.

          • I am not washing dishes, that’s for damn sure. Maybe I will go and cry out in the rain though.

          • Alycia Swift

            We will all have to change our avatars to cake. Which is an improvement for me since I’m still rocking the default dead fish.

          • andythesaint

            You will always rock the default dead fish. But always talk about changing it.

            That’s so Alycia Swift.

          • Now I feel awful that I missed your birthday. Happy birthday!

          • sharculese

            I turned 30 in July. It’s still weird.

          • Alycia Swift

            I’ve got you all beat. 50 on the day that ruined everything for those born in 1983.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Suckers. I’m still technically in my mid-twenties. *clings to youth*

          • sharculese

            I have a friend who turned 25 a week after I turned 30. When she was complaining about it I was just like “what the fuck ever.”

          • Purple Rock Emma

            That’s like the Friends episode where Rachel turns 30 and she’d dating that young guy Tag who’s like, “I know what you’re going through. I’m totally freaked out about turning 25.”

          • Hornacek

            “You’re thirty! YOU’RE THIRTY!”

            And then Tag dumped Rachel and joined the police force and went to work with the CSIs. It all fits together!

          • When do you exit your mid-twenties?

          • Purple Rock Emma

            May 12

          • Wait 27 isn’t mid 20s anymore?

          • Purple Rock Emma

            To me, it’s makes sense mathematically to be 20-23 as early, 24-26 as mid, and 27-29 as late. But a TV show the other day also claimed that 36 was late thirties, which seems unjust.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I planned mine as a holiday with friends so I’d be hyped for it. Now we’re back I’m settling into 30 and yeah a little weird.

          • Diego Armando

            Me too 🙁

    • Alycia Swift

      whichever one can throw things at things and hit them is Reynold.

  • the sky is falling

    also, I love this place but sorta missing carries recap on AV club, I need a hug

    • Don’t worry, we won’t get into super awkward conversations about feminism.

      • the sky is falling

        Could we get a standard AV club style recap here? Or am I asking too much as fresh blood

        • Purplerockmatt

          We started doing the liveblog as a way to set ourselves apart from the Avclub and other sites, but it also creates a space for comments. so a standard recap would kinda compete with our own thing. I don’t think it is a thing we are going to do because of that.

          • the sky is falling

            Fair enough, as long as we have a place to talk about it that’s not Reddit, that’s cool, I can’t identify with reddits survivor opinions, hehe

          • Welcome anyway! Have you joined the Survivor fantasy league yet?

          • the sky is falling

            I don’t feel like I have the time to participate, but always read the posts, love you guys

          • It isn’t super time-intensive. You just pick 4 people before the next episode and you’re good for the rest of the season.

          • the sky is falling

            True, I will get in it next season. Really looking forward to that one

          • Kemper Boyd

            do it now dude. Honestly, just pick 4 people you think will do well, comment on the thread and boom, your involvement can stop there.

          • the sky is falling

            Ok, sry for all the questions, do I just post choices here?

          • Kemper Boyd

            No, go here and find the latest thread. Just check and make sure you are unique in your 4.

          • the sky is falling

            Alright, I will do it in the am, drunk now, lol, thanks!

          • Kemper Boyd
          • the sky is falling

            So I can join anytime before next weeks episode?

          • Kemper Boyd

            yeppers

          • the sky is falling

            Nice thanks for the nice welcome, looking forward to joining the best survivor fans around, night all

          • Purplerockmatt

            I can already tell you are awesome, probably because you watch Survivor drunk, which i would be doing if i didn’t have to have coordination to liveblog

          • Hornacek

            Wait … all of these liveblogs have been sober???

          • Purplerockmatt

            well not all…

          • Kemper Boyd

            also picking drunk is probably as good a plan as any.

          • Diego Armando

            Have fun. It is great to have you.

          • Oh, you’re *really* gonna fit in here.

          • Tomorrow, John will post the standings and current teams. That is the time for swaps and new teams to occur. However, if you go to the fantasy league page now, you can see the current teams (which means that you cannot pick them).

          • m0nit0rman

            Tomorrow, John will post the standings and current teams.

            He can wait a week or two if he wants… I don’t imagine anyone’s too excited about the pools just yet…

          • I’ll be posting tomorrow mostly so that people can see what their current teams are and let them change as necessary. And we usually get people just now joining the league as well.

          • m0nit0rman

            I COMMEND your work ethic, John, but I’m sure NO ONE is interested in what poor sap chose first-booted Rachel in the Champions League.

          • I think my seven year old niece did.

          • Diego Armando

            You had other options.

          • Hornacek

            (raises hand) I am.

          • sharculese

            Question: Are you treating this vote as a split, where players who voted for CeCe still get VTEP? Asking for a friend.

            Also, if one of said players found a weird, undescribed advantage that can’t be played until day 36, are there points for that? Again, asking for a friend.

          • Yes, VTEP for all except CeCe and Rachel.

            And I think the advantage thing is a no, since we specifically discussed points for advantages this offseason. And this is a weird one, in that it’s useless until a certain point.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Not completely useless. You can still use it to cement a final 2 alliance or flip a vote headed your way. In fact it might be more useful than a regular idol since you can’t betray a promise to share it (well you could promise it to more than one person, but you can’t play it for yourself and screw your ally).

          • Well, it’s useful in that you could pretend it’s absolutely anything since exactly what it does hasn’t been revealed. But if you let someone see the note, it actually makes you a target since they’d know they could vote you out and potentially get it.

          • sharculese

            Also, said friend believes the fair thing to do would be to award 1 point to Jessica, then in the event Jessica gets voted, off, award 1 point to whoever she hands it off to and so on and so forth, then give either 1 or 2 points to the player who actually has it on day 36.

            This is offered purely in the spirit of law nerding, with no self-interest considered.

          • Okay. I look forward to seeing your picks then sir (or ma’am?).

          • Purplerockmatt

            Neither can we. And yeah we really love all the comments you guys bring so whatever gets you talking quicker is what we want

          • I like you. You can stay.

          • Roswulf

            “Not Reddit” is kind of the heart of this comment section.

      • Hornacek

        Of course you would say that, you’re a girl.

        • Boo!

          • Hornacek

            I learned all of my gender politics from the talking Malibu Stacey doll.

          • Let’s buy makeup so the boys will like us.

          • Hornacek

            My spider-sense is tingling! Anyone call for a webslinger?

    • gouis

      Ah, the classic AVClub experience. Deeply fall in love with something only to have it either completely ruined or taken away completely.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Why bring up Leonard Pierce?

        • Purplerockmatt

          Leonard loves episode 2 of this season

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            “Hold on a minute, Mr. Pierce. Turns out it wasn’t Paul that had the heart attack…”

          • I wonder how many of us are old-school AVC enough to get that joke.

          • gouis

            That joke is still alive I think, so even people who weren’t around when it happened know about it.

          • Something Quirky

            I always thought that would be a reference passed down through generations of AVCers. It’s just something you instinctively know about when you reach a certain amount of comments.

          • andythesaint

            His review of season 34 was a little off base, tbh.

        • m0nit0rman

          David put pills in Paul’s jelly beans.

          • We should do a Tolerability Index here that everyone just ignores and uses as a reason to chat with each other.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Not cool, man. Sharculese reads these!

          • sharculese

            I’m confused by this because the only person who posts random off-topic digressions in the comments of my Australian Survivor recaps is me.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            It was a joke that sounded funny in my head but now seems cruel. i didn’t mean for it to be a mean joke.

          • sharculese

            Lol, dude, don’t apologize. Nobody has more unearned self-regard than me, except maybe Drew Christie, it just wasn’t an accurate description of what our Aussie Survivor comment section looks like.

    • We all do, it’s ok.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        I’ll tell you what I don’t miss from AV club: That Hornacek dude and his random thoughts! Like I’m ever gonna respond to those!

        I’m giddy that Survivor is back on!

        • Hornacek

          (kicks dirt, shuffles away to join the Freaks and Geeks alliance)

    • m0nit0rman

      Say! Do guys like FOOD? What say we take a break from all this TV talk, and list some of our favourite fast food breakfast items.

    • sharculese

      You seriously won’t miss it after long. I was barely checking that place last season.

      • Prom King

        It was the only review site I read regularly for Survivor, before coming here. The other ones drive me up the wall. I usually really enjoyed Carrie’s analyses.

    • lindsayfunke

      Heyyyy, it’s Lindsay from The AV Club. Waiting for a Survivor recap on AVC isn’t the only reason I’m still awake right now, but it’s part of the reason. Do you mean to say they dropped coverage on Survivor too?!

      • Hey! Yes, AV Club dropped Survivor coverage. Carrie tweeted about it this offseason. It was sad.

        • lindsayfunke

          What the fuck! Well thanks for telling me, although I wish the actual site would have mentioned it.

          • I only knew because I follow Carrie on Twitter.

          • Benjamin Krautkramer

            I remember the good old days when AV Club used to tell us which shows they were covering at the start of the TV season. (Hank_Dolworth on AVC.)

            It’s a shorter list now; you’d think it would be easier. Not Great job, Internet.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Nice to see you! Such a bummer about the AVC coverage. You should stick around here though, we’re mostly AVC cast-offs. You may also know me as Little Emma Adderall. I would sell out the others’ user names, but I don’t know if that’s kosher.

        • m0nit0rman

          We all float down here, Lindsay.

          • Hornacek

            Wow, that took a turn.

      • Diego Armando

        We are all misfits. Join us.

      • Purplerockmatt

        they definitely did yes. sorry

      • Something Quirky

        Hi Lindsay!
        When Carrie said it, I wasn’t 100% convinced it was true, but alas 🙁

  • CountBulletsula

    Wait, so we split the votes on CeCe and Rachel because we thought David had the idol?

    • Other Scott

      Well assuming they didn’t actually want to get rid of David, there’s no point putting votes on him.

      Putting votes on someone you don’t want to vote out to flush an idol is known as the Nicaragua fallacy.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Yeah, once David was no longer a target it made no sense to continue splitting the vote.

  • Hornacek

    Random thoughts:

    And here we go …

    Taylor’s accomplishments including going to North Dakota??? Winner’s edit!

    Oh great, an entire season of saying “GenX” instead of “Generation X”.

    I wonder if Will will (heh) keep his age a secret and … nope.

    Paul: Get off my lawn!

    Jessica aka Figgy aka Figs.

    All Jessica has to do to use this advantage is … last another 35 days in the game.

    “You like to play more than you work, you.” Who says this to someone who’s actually working on day one?

    Should we finish our half-built (barely) shelter or have a party on the beach? This episode is verifying all of our fears of how these millennials would act.

    I wish Jeff signed his treemail XOXO.

    So no footage of the tribes after they were evacuation? Where were they taken? Were they forbidden from talking like before day one?

    “The Triforce! I freaking love you guys!” Sigh, an entire season of this …

    The four pretty people think they’re running the tribe when they’re in the minority … wow this is the Fans tribe in Caramoan all over again!

    Who decided to let Rachel chop through the advantage mask? And why did David volunteer for the puzzle? Ugh these people. Now I have to listen to a week of “Millennials are better than Gen-X.”

    I wonder … if you know that your tribe thinks you have an idol and you think they would vote you out because of it, would it help to dump all of your stuff out on the ground, empty your pockets, take off your clothes, and then don’t leave camp until tribal?

    Jessica got sand in both eyes. Another Caramoan similarly. And she doesn’t want to quit. Suck it, Shamar.

    “Oh crap.”

    The first 4 votes are for different people? Is this Borneo? Or San Juan del Sur?

    Next week: someone has a heart attack? Is it one of those young millennials? Or one of the 8 young GenXers?

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      Taylor’s accomplishments including going to North Dakota??? Winner’s edit!

      I heard that too! It kind of makes me wish that North Dakota was a douche-bro trap.

      • Hornacek

        Taylor at the travel agency …

        Agent: Where would like to go for your vacation?
        Taylor: Dude, I don’t know …
        Agent: Hawaii, the Dominican, Thailand …
        Taylor: Eh, I’m not sure …
        Agent: North Dakota …
        Taylor: YES! Oh God, yes!

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          “I don’t think of it as a state! I think of it as something I can do a backflip off of! Or something craaazy like that!”

        • Sylvisual

          He’s so pumped to go! (Because there’s oil.)

          • Hornacek

            “Congressman, we want to drill for oil in Teddy Roosevelt’s head.”

            (I know Mr. Rushmore is in South Dakota, but I can’t think of a funny quote about North Dakota and oil)

          • Sylvisual

            Then you’re not fracking thinking hard enough!

        • sharculese

          Seriously, I’d love to visit the Dakotas. That sounds like a fun time. I wouldn’t brag about it though. That’s the weird part.

          • Hornacek

            Especially since it’s another state in the country where you live. That would be like me stating my life accomplishments and including that I once went to New Brunswick.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            South Dakota actually has a lot of cool things to visit, but there’s nothing in North Dakota.

    • this bear is tops blooby

      “Next week: someone has a heart attack? Is it one of those young millennials? Or one of the 8 young GenXers?”

      I bet it’s Paul. Or the cop.

      • Hornacek

        The obvious choice is Paul, since he’s older than all the other GenXers. Which means it’ll probably be someone else. It would be funny (as funny as watching someone have a heart attack on tv) if it was David, especially with the clip of him saying “This could be great for me”, with him thinking that no one would vote him out because they would feel bad about voting out someone who had a heart attack.

        • this bear is tops blooby

          I was thinking the same thing, couldn’t be David, unless…

          I’m surprised he didn’t get voted out. He was super paranoid and playing too hard, plus with all the airtime, figured he’d be the logical boot, with Rachel being second in votes. Maybe she was far more grating than the edit led on.

          • Hornacek

            I put Rachel’s boot down to a combination of her annoyingness at camp, and her performance at the challenge (saying she would be the one to chop the mask and do the puzzle, both of which she was terrible at).

          • Alycia Swift

            Chopping the mask – one of the big guys should have done both. Chris did it in one chop. Paul and/or Bret probably would have taken one or two.

          • Hornacek

            Everyone seemed to break the mask in one chop except for Rachel. Wasn’t there a One World/BvW challenge where Kat had to chop through a rope stretched across a log with an ax and it took her FOREVER to do it?

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Courtney in China.

          • Hornacek

            That doesn’t surprise me. But I thought I remember it with Kat.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Actually now that I think about it I think you’re right about Kat. But Courtney trying in vain to chop through a rope with a Chinese dao (suspended vertically rather than laid across something) is the more iconic example.

          • Diego Armando

            Seriously, why have the waif do that? It reminded me of Courtney attempting to chop a rope.

    • Alycia Swift

      “I wonder … if you know that your tribe thinks you have an idol and you
      think they would vote you out because of it, would it help to dump all
      of your stuff out on the ground, empty your pockets, take off your
      clothes, and then don’t leave camp until tribal?”

      Well on certain seasons, that might give them another reason to vote you out – for the taking off the clothes part.

      • Hornacek

        I didn’t originally have that part in there, but then I remembered Tyson saying that in BvW he hid the immunity idol down his shorts (the infamous bulge), so even if I was in that position and I dumped out all my stuff and turned out my pockets, someone would probably say “We still don’t believe you, you’re got it underneath your clothes!”

        • Alycia Swift

          I was just referring to how upset 2 guys on White Collar were when Shirin went bottomless while doing the dishes … and she was already bottomless before they even came onto the beach.

          Kim Spradlin also hid her idol in her shorts/underwear/bathing suit at times if I recall correctly.

          • Hornacek

            When the Millennials suggested getting naked for their beach party, and Adam (?) told everyone “No, that’s a bad idea” I felt like he was referencing Max and Shirin.

            And Kelley W. hid it in her bikini briefs when she got the idol at the first challenge, but that was more out of necessity because she didn’t have anywhere else to hide it.

          • Alycia Swift

            Kelley if I recall correctly had shorts on and a top over the bikini and hit it on her back/down her shorts ish around where sound is usually hooked up on the contestants.

          • Hornacek

            You’re right, she was wearing shorts at that challenge. I think it was all the talk at the time about how men had an advantage since they would likely be wearing shorts with pockets at challenges, and women would usually be wearing bikini bottoms with no pockets.

          • sharculese

            Kelly told the rest of the tribe she was on her period so it wouldn’t be suspicious that she was wearing shorts to a water challenge.

          • Hornacek

            That is smart, no guy is gonna want to question that.

            It reminds me of a scene in Ally McBeal where Ally and one of the other women (Georgia? Nell?) are arguing in the bathroom and Richard tries to come in and asks “What’s going on here?” Ally says “Cramps!” and he says “Oh! Ok!” and quickly leaves.

            It basically shuts down all further inquiries from men.

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    My reaction to the boot and 2nd highest vote getter, not the site, because I love you guys:

    Fuck this.

    • Kemper Boyd

      The only positive is that actually half the women in this cast are women of colour. The issue is that Jay is the only man who is and he’s half Peruvian I believe.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        Fair. Still angry though.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        I’m too bad at math to know if you counted Figgy, but apparently she’s half Puerto-Rican as well.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I counted Figgy (Jessica Figueroa was a give away). It’s actually not half WoC it’s 3/5. I wrote half realised it was 3/5 but couldn’t be bothered to go back.

    • Diego Armando

      I 100% understand why Rachel was voted out; I have no idea why CeCe was targeted.

      • Streets_Ahead

        She was tight with Rachel. If you split the vote that’s who you do it with that way you alienate as few people as possible.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          Was she, though? They didn’t even vote together!

        • Alycia Swift

          They saw her talking to Rachel and the other women were in the group.

      • It doesn’t bother me that CeCe got votes – it bothers me that the episode did absolutely nothing to set that up.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          It bothers me that it just so happens that two women of color just happen to be outside of the majority alliance. Poor challenge performance is rarely an actual reason to send someone home (for one guy, like Bret, yes – not not enough for a majority vote) – it’s an excuse people use to justify it, but people send home whomever they are not bonding with.

          • Prom King

            But there’s one woman of color in that majority alliance. And how about personality being the main factor? Rachel’s personality was grating and all we saw from CeCe was that she’s Rachel’s only ally.

        • Alycia Swift

          Me 3. When she go votes, I said out loud where did those come from? And I’m by myself as the hubby does not watch.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        I know exactly why CeCe was targeted.

      • StormofCuteness

        It’s very odd for CeCe to have gotten almost no air time and then to have been the split vote. I think production is really fucking with us now*.
        *Oh, you think airtime=eviction, well just you wait!
        IE: We were set up to believe the split vote would be David–who got no votes at all!

  • Violina23

    For the record, the “Hannah is a fake nerd” theory was NOT my idea. I kinda like her so far…

    • The “Kappa Kappa Survivor” line is pretty good.

    • Purplerockmatt

      eh she is blah to me

      • Violina23

        My husband & friend said they think she’s trying to hard to fill the “nerd” role. I didn’t think any of her persona came off as an act 😉

        • I don’t think so either.

        • Purplerockmatt

          I agree, she just didn’t pop for me at all

        • Alycia Swift

          I liked that she was the first to see the pretty people bonding and doing something about it.

    • Kent McK

      I like this theory. Hannah the undercover jock. She did seem pretty excited about jumping into the ocean with all the bros.

  • Scarlett3639

    Well, Survivor: Generation Walkman vs Generation iPod served up a somewhat disappointing first episode.

    What is with these Gen Xers though? When that one guy said he grew up working with his hands, did he mean using the Atari joystick to play Pitfall?

    • Purplerockmatt

      these Gen Xers are just falling into the trap of all people as they get older, which is blaming the younger generation for being lazy

      • Scarlett3639

        But we’re the slacker generation! We should be too lazy to make the effort of blaming others.

      • DrVanNostrand

        It’s not exactly a trap. That’s pretty much why ‘generations’ were invented.

    • Kemper Boyd

      lol, like Will’s ever seen an iPod!

      • I would say that Will have never seen an iPod with the click wheel in person.

        • Purplerockmatt

          what a sad life

          • When I was a senior in high school, one of my organizations had shirts that mocked the silhouette iPod ads, so this conversation makes me feel fairly old.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I was in college when those came out so ditto

        • Purple Rock Emma

          My brother had an iPod with buttons. Honest-to-God buttons.

          • What, what did this look like?

          • Purple Rock Emma
          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I had that one. I also had the very first generation, with the wheel that actually rotated.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            My dad had that one! His rich friend gave it to him for his *counts* 50th birthday? My brother got the button one for his college graduation. I got money to buy myself the 2nd gen mini (bright blue!) for my 15th birthday and then I got the final version of the classic for my 18th.

            And that’s the tale of the Adderall’s iPod ownership history. My brother eventually had a Zune. What a dweeb.

          • turgid_legume

            I had a Creative Nomad mp3 player in 2000, before the iPod was a thing. It had a whole 64 MB of flash memory and was “only” the size of a pack of cards. It was a real upgrade from having a portable CD player strapped to your belt, or shoving it in a large pocket and looking like you had a little frisbee in your pants.

      • sharculese

        I have student who I got into a back and forth with about music because she had no concept of buying an album as a physical thing, and when I told her phones used to not have music on the her response was “I don’t believe you.”

        • Kemper Boyd

          How old is she? and is she stupid? or at the very least has she not studied any history. Imagine what she’d say if you told her that when you were a kid cell phones were enormous and most people didn’t have them at all.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Finally, a video game reference I get!

      • Hornacek

        Go for the eyes, Boo! Go for the eyes!

    • Hornacek

      Those darn crocodiles!

  • Kingoftonga

    So David was the only one to shed tears tonight, right? (I’m not counting Jessica’s bleeding eyeballs). I guess Aubrey sort of put an end to the “winner cries in the first episode” streak last season, but worth noting.

    • Did Jeremy cry in the first episode of Cambodia? I know he definitely cried in Episode 2 after Savage’s love story.

      • Streets_Ahead

        I’m pretty sure you’re right and that he didn’t cry in the first episode.

        • Regardless, the key is that if you want that million, you’re going to pay for it with tears.

          • sharculese

            My brain is so pickled with Australian Survivor that I almost corrected you that it’s only 500,000.

          • You could still say that, as long as you add “Thanks, Obama.”

          • How long was it until Michele cried? During Caleb’s medevac?

          • Yeah, I was struggling to think of when she cried, but I think you might be right.

          • I know she cried when she voted out Julia and possibly when she walked out to the ocean, but other than that I am drawing a blank.

      • Hornacek

        How could he not?

  • Sylvisual

    Thoughts!
    I really hope they split into three tribes soon to stop this theme madness.

    David will fulfill his SoPa Cochran fate when he merges with Mari and Hannah and takes out one of the Alpha Bro frat.

    Lucy getting the purple workhorse edit.

    This new hot potato Advantage could be very, very interesting. Especially since it must be relinquished upon vote-out.

    Current faves: Mari, Zeke, David, Michaela (our new GIF and shade machine—more please!)

    • K.P. Watershed

      Hot Potato Advantage is an awesome twist. Huge potential.

    • Upvoted for the inside joke.

    • Alycia Swift

      I like the term hot potato advantage. I wonder if they have to will it in front of the tribe… And does the recipient have to accept.

      • Hornacek

        Jeff confirmed on EW that if you get voted out with the advantage, you will it to someone after you get voted out. And it shows up in the willee’s bag.

        • Figaro

          Hah! That’s gonna be fun. Especially if they have no idea it exists and then it randomly shows up in their bag one day

    • Prom King

      I’m not sure she had anything more than a single confessional, but her expressions when both tribes were talking themselves up after dividing up made her an early favorite. She seemed to have an equal amount of disdain for the corny comments coming from both tribes.

      • Diego Armando

        She looked like she was going to murder CeCe early on.

    • Hornacek

      Splitting into 3 tribes seems more likely than a tribe swap. I didn’t hear any tribe names given besides “Millennials” and “Gen X” so they would have to create new tribes and give them actual tribe-like names.

      • the sky is falling

        They didn’t say the tribe names aloud at any point, but the flags have them. Milennials: Vanua X: Takali. Never remember the tribe names this early anyway.

        • Hornacek

          Jeff usually mentions the actual tribe names though, even if no one really uses them. I thought for sure on both Brains vs. Beauty vs. Brawn he mentioned what their actual tribe names were. Didn’t he?

  • K.P. Watershed

    Disappointed that they didn’t show (or even explain) what happened to the cast during the evacuation. Did they go to Ponderosa? Somewhere else?

    Also a weak tribal … but besides that, I liked this episode. I’m rooting for Millennials plus Bret.

    The Ken love here has gone way too far. I think Ken won’t make the merge.

    So — if you were with Mari/Will/Hannah/Zeke in the Freaks & Geeks Alliance — in what order would you pick off Taylor, Jay, Figs & Michelle?

    I’d go Taylor-1, Figs-2. Good news for the popular kids is that Gen-X seems very capable of a long losing streak in challenges.

    • Sylvisual

      Jeff said on Twitter that they spent the night silent in a hotel room. Good thing no one was on Ponderosa yet…

      • K.P. Watershed

        Thanks. This was a huge lucky break for the Millennials.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Gen X as well. They had a tree crush their shelter.

      • I didn’t even catch that, because my feed was going a mile a minute. So thanks for clarifying on that one.

        • Something Quirky

          There was an article about it a few days ago, which surprised me coz I thought they would want to keep it quiet til it aired. Not that there was much to it, but it is a SURVIVOR FIRST.

    • I think Ken is our merge boot. On that note, I think Mari is our swap screwed boot because she is reminding me a lot of Anna in her confessionals.

      • jersey_luck

        Great, I not the only who got the “Game is Going to Screw you Vibes” off of Mari.

        • Especially after she took control of the Misfit Island alliance. It’s either Anna or Nicaragua Brenda for her.

    • Purplerockmatt

      I’m probably the only one that loves Ken, but he was the one GEn X guy i really responded to

      • Mike Hirsch

        Same, I really liked Ken.

        • Ken is just a pretty face.

        • Ken sounded far too much like Zoolander for me to take him seriously.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Yeah, what the hell kind of accent was that?

          • DrVanNostrand

            Well, he is really, really, ridiculously good looking.

      • gouis

        Yeah same with my wife. I’m concerned that she’s in the other room DMing him right now.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        Ken is also the GenXer that I respond to in that I have my first mancrush in years. You are not the only one who loves Ken.

        Also, everybody else’s personality on GenX sucks. Except maybe Sunday’s- I can’t tell yet.

        • Purplerockmatt

          I actually like Ken’s personality I mean. I liked how David is freaking out about nature and he just brings david a disgusting bug and is like see no big deal, it wont hurt you

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I know. It made him even more attractive – it’s like, what are you, a perfectly chiseled statute come to life that ALSO has a great personality? Cut it out, it’s hurting my brain.

          • Purplerockmatt

            did you see his preseason stuff about his daughter?

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I don’t remember it. I’ll probably go back and watch. I don’t remember having this reaction to him when watching the video!

          • Purplerockmatt

            basically a few years ago he found out he had a daughter and he is now the sole caregiver (I think the mom died). So turn party 20s Ken into single dad serious Ken.

          • Is that a new story in Survivor? Also, is it a good sign or a bad sign edgic-wise that his daughter wasn’t mentioned.

          • Purplerockmatt

            i dont think i should comment on edgic

          • Was I trolling you there? I don’t know.

          • Purplerockmatt

            i am apparently getting trolled a lot here

          • It was admittedly an easy target. I will try not to troll you that much.

          • Purplerockmatt

            at least you didnt call me mark

          • Wait, you’re not the one who does the graphics?

            JK: I know you’re the lawyer (right?)

          • Purplerockmatt

            yes

          • Breathing a sigh of relief because I wasn’t trying to troll you there.

          • sharculese

            How were the shrooms?

          • Other Scott

            I did not think about Edgic with this episode at all until this point. Maybe I’ve successfully wiped it from my brain.

          • Sorry. I primarily brought up edgic for Matt’s sake.

          • Hornacek

            This sounds a bit like the premise of My Two Dads.

      • Alycia Swift

        I did not watch any pregame stuff and only read the bios. I surprisingly liked him.

        • Purplerockmatt

          I liked his pregame stuff, but not to this level

          • Alycia Swift

            I thought the bug was a preying mantis when I first saw it.

      • andythesaint

        I like how you assume Ken getting dirty would make him LESS sexy.

        • Purplerockmatt

          had to go for a hail mary

    • Kent McK

      If production knew this storm was going to hit it was pretty foolish of them to not postpone the start date.

      • Do we know the time span between Seasons 33 and 34?

        • Kent McK

          Usually a few weeks.

      • Hornacek

        In their defense, they probably have storms forecast all the time. It sounds like they didn’t know this storm would turn into a cyclone until the day of. If they postponed every time there was a storm forecast, they would never start a season.

        • Other Scott

          Yeah, considering they gave them a tarp they never ended up using tells me that the forecast just kept unexpectedly getting worse as the day went on.

          • Purplerockmatt

            the EW interview confirms this. it went from the storm maybe forming, to forming but maybe not coming their way, to coming their way, to being really strong and coming their way.

          • Hornacek

            At least the Gen Xers were adding the tarp to their existing shelter. I couldn’t stop laughing at the Millennials all holding the tarp in the air while the guys built a shelter underneath it, like they were raising a circus tent.

          • Alycia Swift

            And the way it was held the water would have eventually all gone to the middle.

        • Yeah, Cagayan had a pretty bad storm early on but it wasn’t this bad.

          • Hornacek

            Do you mean Storm J’Tia?

          • Yes that. But, I was referring to Jefra’s Survivor Nightmare or the backdrop for LJ’s idol hunt.

    • Alycia Swift

      I am curious if they left the crew or just cameras. The weather shots were scary but lovely at the same time.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. If they were just stationary cameras there certainly were a lot of them.

        • Alycia Swift

          Let’s evacuate the contestants and Probst but we can kill the crew.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Well, nobody sees them die.

          • Alycia Swift

            Yep. But that’s what I was thinking watching those shots.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Beautiful shots. Seriously one of my favorite nature shots of the episode.

          • Alycia Swift

            I love the morning after shots but my favorite was the bat who looked at the camera with a “what the f are you looking at” expression.

          • Hornacek

            Hey, if the players are hungry enough to eat rats and bugs …

            Survivor 35: Alive!

          • Alycia Swift

            Well at the rate the show is having medical issues (i.e. next week – which was not even mentioned in the limited pregame coverage I saw), Survivor 35: might indeed be Survivor 35: Alive.

      • Hornacek

        They left the same cameraman to film the camp during the cyclone that they left to start film the fire during Amazon.

        Actually, on EW Jeff said they set up a remote camera that only had a 4-hour battery, so there was no one there for the cyclone.

        • Other Scott

          At least the cameraman filming the fire could get out of there if it started getting real bad. This one could have basically had a tree land on him out of nowhere.

        • Purplerockmatt

          it originally only had a 4 hour battery but someone had a cellphone extender on them so they used that to last through the night

          • Hornacek

            Ah, I read it quickly and thought they said they would only have 4 hours but would have to use someone’s cell phone battery. What you said makes more sense that they set something up that would record all night.

    • Alycia Swift

      I’d switch Taylor and Figs. Figs is smarter.

  • Diego Armando

    Called it on Rachel going home first.

    As a massive Zelda fan, I must first state to Matt that Skyward Sword was among the 3 best games of the 2011 with Skyrim and Dark Souls. Secondly I must state to Jaylor that the Triforce of Wisdom was split into 8 pieces in the original NES game, the Triforce of Courage was split into 8 pieces in Windwaker and that it was revealed that the Dark World destroyed their Triforce in A Link Between Worlds, so the Triforce is not invincible.

    Bizarrely enough, King Hyrule used the Triforce to sink Hyrule under the ocean in Windwaker, so this cyclone may not be natural.

    • Purplerockmatt

      you mean you must state to Matt. Me and mark are different people dammit

      • Diego Armando

        Corrected. Sorry my Millennial brother.

        • Purplerockmatt

          I’m 83! The year Survivor doesn’t recognize! Mark is the Millennial! You are just making it worse!

          • K.P. Watershed

            You’re born in 1983 or you are 83 years old? Either way… sorry dude.

          • Purplerockmatt

            born in 83. If I was 83 I definitely would not know how to liveblog

        • Sylvisual

          Diego is on fire today.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I blame you for this

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I’m seeing double… four Sylvisuals?

            Am I doing it right? Is that how Generation 32 does it?

          • Purplerockmatt

            I have never hated your Rodney-loving ass more

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            You know, if he did come back… I’d have to pick him. If I didn’t, and he won…

            I’d have to do it.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Those three have never even *heard* of an ocarina!

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Give them time.

      • Sylvisual

        Then how do you explain the Song of Storms?

        • Kent McK

          It’s a paradox

        • Diego Armando

          I think that Jay and Taylor are dummies created by the Elegy of Emptiness.

          • Alycia Swift

            I have no idea what that is but the dummies part sounds right.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Also I’ll agree that Skyward Sword was better than Twilight Princess at least. I just used Skyward Sword because it fit the timeline of a 18 year old

      • gouis

        Skyward Sword is underrated.

        • jersey_luck

          which is odd because at one point it was overrated. Kind of like a certain generation

      • Sylvisual

        Majora or GTFO

        • Purplerockmatt

          wouldn’t fit the timeline of a 18 year old! (Also i played original as I was growing up)

        • Diego Armando

          Best Zelda ever. Link’s Awakening is also fantastic.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I’m a Windwaker man myself, i loved the open exploration that sailing had

          • gouis

            That WiiU HD Windwaker is unassailable. So beautiful

          • Purplerockmatt

            even the original was gorgeous. Fuck those people that made fun of the cel-shading and led to the drab Twilight Princess and fuck Twilight Princess!

          • gouis

            I’ve never agreed with you more. Twilight Princess is so uninspired it hurt.

          • Purplerockmatt

            the only thing it did right was pure dungeon design. the dungeon design was really good which made the rest so much worse

          • gouis

            Did you play the HD version? Did it improve it at all?

          • Purplerockmatt

            Nah, I tend not to buy HD versions (plus I don’t have a wiiu)

          • gouis

            WiiU is great for like the 7 games on it that are stone cold classics.

            Also I think it can play every single Zelda game besides the gameboy ones.

          • Diego Armando

            It’s a shame it did not sell more. Smash U and Mario Maker are amazing.

          • Purplerockmatt

            that last thing makes it super tempting honestly

          • gouis

            It has the full access to all the Wii virtual console games, plus can play wii discs in addition to its own.

          • Purplerockmatt

            ugh, I dont have the time to play the games I have now though!

          • gouis

            Man that HD Windwaker is so good. You should get it for that when they drop the price. I even have the Zelda themed console with the fancy gamepad.

            http://allaboutzelda.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/wii-u-gamepad-zelda.png

          • Purplerockmatt

            ok that is hot

          • gouis

            I believe it’s the only special edition gamepad.

          • Diego Armando

            I will state that it had the best arsenal of any Zelda game. The dual clawshots and the ball and chain were fantastic weapons.

          • Purplerockmatt

            YES! and again how it used them was very smart. But god so much else about it sucked or was so boring

          • Sylvisual

            Never finished TP because it was so emo. Very excited for this new one, though.

          • gouis

            I’m worried the new one will take all the wrong lessons from ‘open world’ games.

          • Sylvisual

            It’s actually quite sailable. Which is why it’s only #3 on my list.

        • gouis

          Majora’s mask is the hipster answer. LttP or GTFO

          • Purplerockmatt

            LttP would be my #2 but only because I love Windwaker that much

          • Diego Armando

            Windwaker is my #3.

          • gouis

            Also the new Link Between Worlds is right up there. So good.

          • CountBulletsula

            True Zelda hipster here. My favorite games are Oracle of Ages and Link’s Awakening.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Link’s Awakening is great

          • Diego Armando

            I prefer Season’s to Ages. Link’s Awakening was the first Zelda game I ever played and would be my 2nd favorite of all time.

          • Diego Armando

            I actually have a good Oracle of Ages story. I was in Middle School when it came out and was attending one of my brother’s grade school baseball games.

            I was playing through the 5th dungeon when I heard a crack and shouts of “OH MY GOD”. I looked up from the game and was informed that a foul ball came within an inch of my head. Being focused on the game prevented me from noticing it and may have saved me.

        • Kent McK

          Ocarina of Time, come on

          • sharculese

            If you like wandering across a giant blank field endlessly, sure, that’s a great game.

          • Kent McK

            I did enjoy it, greatly.

            But seriously, no love for the water temple?

        • Purple Rock Emma

          I just want everyone in this thread to know you’re all fucking nerds.

    • Alycia Swift

      All you guys (and I mean both sexes) that are talking about the games watch Halt and Catch Fire? Great show about the history/creation of computers, gaming, Internet.

      • I only just started watching it. I’ve only seen the first 2-3 episodes, but I’m enjoying it so far.

  • prettyboyprobst

    Matt and Cece have said it before, but good job on the decision to evacuate, so nobody got killed.

    Other than that, I already don’t like the GenX-6. To be fair, Rachel’s outgoing personality seemed to be a really bad fit on her tribe, so I can’t blame them too much. On the other tribe things are heading in the right direction with the misfit-alliance slowly forming, I hope we’ll see more of that, and that the rest remains oblivious to it.

  • gouis

    GenXers – racist, bad at challenges and at getting along

    Millennials. – lazy, friendly, and getting ahead anyway!

    Am I doing it right?

  • Diego Armando

    Dammit Figgy, I had hopes for you. How dare you walk into the Caramoan Cool Kids Alliance that doesn’t understand that 6 is greater than 4.

    • Is it really *that* unexpected?

      • K.P. Watershed

        She didn’t seem quite as gaga about the Cool Kids Alliance as the two bros did. And she did very well on the puzzle. At worst I think Figgy will be the 2nd Jessica to get sent home.

        • Figaro

          Surely Jessica (Lewis) will outlast Figgy. She’s in the majority alliance on GenX and seems to be part of a tighter core alliance with Bret and Chris. Whereas the “cool kids” alliance seem to be the minority and as a woman Figgy is probably more likely to be voted out before Jay or Taylor.

      • Diego Armando

        I thought she would bring them to an alliance due to them finding her attractive. I just thought she might have an ally in Zeke and or Mari.

    • sharculese

      You had hopes for Figgy?

    • Hornacek

      She went to the Brad Culpepper School For Kids That Don’t Know Math Too Good.

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    Before they left for filming, how much pot do you think that Taylor smoked to still be that high on day four.

    • Purplerockmatt

      shrooms man, shrooms

    • Diego Armando

      I think he had a Coloradan scientist splice marijuana into his DNA.

    • Sylvisual

      It’s a natural high, man.

    • andythesaint

      Keystered.

      • sharculese

        On Survivor we call that Hatching it.

    • Other Scott

      He used the smoke from the fire…the same as Fabio obviously.

  • jersey_luck

    You know I see a lot of negativity towards the Triforce alliance, however give them a moment of credit because they are actually people that give an emotion compared to the people on Gen X. I know they are bad at the game because they have not realized 4 is not a majority on a ten person tribe but there are not boring or horrible people like Jason and Will. They also keep a reason for Mari and Hannah to oppose them.
    However this part of the season might be unbearable if Gen X just keeps on losing players because the main character over there right now is David vs everyone. And that is player who is both bad at the social game, but he is also shockly boring for a TV writer. So I hope the Millennials lose for better entrainment..
    Also possible medical evacuation next on Gen X tribe next week is also boring.

    • Purplerockmatt

      medevac on Gen X means that we narrow the numbers over there quicker!

      • gouis

        +1!

        Also who do we think gets it? Paul seems too obvious.

        • Purplerockmatt

          Bret. He has the body type I say

          • gouis

            *Has no idea of the names of the two fat guys on that tribe*. I only know of them as “Boston” and ‘lawyer’

          • Purplerockmatt

            Chris is the former athlete and has blond hair, Bret is the brown hair guy who looks in worse shape

          • Sylvisual

            Boston Lawyer was the show with Shatner on it, right?

          • jersey_luck

            It also had James Spader and was the spinoff of The Practice.

          • Alycia Swift

            Boston Legal. One of the only law shows I can stand. And not because of the cases and procedure which were a joke but because of The actors.

          • Hornacek

            “Denny Crane!”

          • sharculese

            Sooo… one of my two outcasts league players. This is gonna be a replay of last season, isn’t it?

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          Right now I’m mostly remembering the audio as opposed to the video so I’ll probably need to re-watch the preview, but based on what I remember I’m sort of wondering if it could be David. I recall the doctor saying something like they were ‘thinking heart attack’ or it was ‘like a heart attack’ which could suggest anxiety attack, and to me that screams David all the way. Just a theory though 🙂

          • Hornacek

            The fact that we see David say “This could be great for me” makes me think it’s another player, as David would think that a person who had a heart attack during the game would be voted out before him. But if David was the one who had the heart attack would he say that? The quote could be about something else and not the attack, but would David think that because he had a heart attack his tribe would not want to vote him out?

        • Other Scott

          It’s very weird that the season which by definition doesn’t have anyone over 53 is the season where we get the (potential) heart attack.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I think it’s a misdirect. The doctor says “may have had” a heart attack, and if it really was a heart attack, it makes David look much too evil showing him saying how it could be good for him.

    • The Millennials in general are just a far more interesting group, personality-wise. And negativity around here is relative, because we all realize this is a TV show and we’re all forming reactions to what little of these people that we get to actually see.

      • jersey_luck

        I know just wanted it to be out there before people compared them to people like Dan or Jason.

        • Purplerockmatt

          oh god no they aren’t like those guys. If they are like anyone it is Eddie and Reynold

          • Alycia Swift

            And Allie and Hope. That is the group I thought of.

          • Hornacek

            Keep Hope Alive

    • Hornacek

      The Triforce alliance is ridiculous and it’s right for us to ridicule it. But it’s probably not as dumb as it’s being portrayed.

      Its obvious comparison is the Cool Kids alliance in Caramoan (Reynolds, Eddie, Allie, Hope) who thought that an alliance of 4 was in control of a tribe of 10. But in RHAP interviews they said that they had Michael and Matt in their alliance too, but that those 4 were the core 4 of their alliance of 6 (Michael and Matt confirmed this on RHAP too, it wasn’t just the CK being delusional, although they were about other things). But since M&M went with the other 4, the show edited out any scenes of M&M being seen with CK so that CK being voted out would be funnier (“Look at those idiots getting voted out, thinking that an alliance of 4 in a group of 10 had all the power.”

      So I’ll give the Triforce (ugh) the benefit of the doubt and assume that they think they have, along with Michelle, 2 other people, but that the Triforce 3 are the core 3 of that group of 6. But the fact that they didn’t show us anyone else (besides Michelle) aligning with the Triforce makes me think they will suffer the same fate as CK.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Plus Freaks and Geeks isn’t exactly set in stone either. Mari, Hannah, and Adam seem to have a solid connection, plus Zeke because pudgy nerd. But are Michaela or Will aligned with anybody yet?

        • Figaro

          They did very briefly show Mari chatting with Michaela at the same time as Mari was voiceover-ing about ‘bringing the Triforce’s bond to everyone’s attention’, so possibly she’ll end up aligning with them. She definitely seems like a no-nonsense type so it’s hard to picture her siding with the ‘bros’

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            After rewatching the episode, it’s more clear to me how hard Mari is working to round up a majority to take down Triforce. But still, if I were say, Adam, I would at least consider flipping to Triforce (against all my social instincts) in order to basically control five votes, assuming I could get say, Will, as a sixth.

  • K.P. Watershed

    Apologies if somebody has already done this…
    Based on Survivor’s definitions*, Gen-X players have won by far the most Survivor seasons:

    20 past winners – GENERATION-X
    7 past winners – MILLENNIALS
    3 past winners – BOOMERS
    2 past winners – 1983

    But a Millennial won last season, and Millennials have won 2 of the last 4 seasons.

    • Sylvisual

      Kinda unfair when Millennials couldn’t always play the game. I wasn’t 21 until 2009, season 19.

      • gouis

        You could have played at 18 like Will, you GD lazy Millennial.

        • Sylvisual

          I don’t want handouts from an old! Just give me my trophy already.

      • K.P. Watershed

        Yes that’s true, if you only count the seasons since the first Millennial winner (Todd) then Millennials have won 7 seasons versus Gen X’s 7 — so dead even*!!!

        (*This of course excludes the 1983 winners.)

        • gouis

          HOW DARE YOU EXCLUDE US!!!

        • Sylvisual

          Screw those 1983’ers. Right, Matt?

          • Purplerockmatt

            :shakes fist!:

      • Adam B.

        Typical Millennial, whining about “fairness”.

        • Hornacek

          “We didn’t lose, we just got beat by a bunch of *rules*!”

          Robb, original Millennial.

        • Roswulf

          I bet he wants a “Participation Trophy” for being unable to participate.

    • jersey_luck

      But three of last five winners have been listed as being from New Jersey but I don’t think Will will win this season.

      • Username checks out.

        • jersey_luck

          It is the one connected thread between Tony, Natalie, and Michelle. The main comparison between Mike and Jeremy. Beside being strong personality filled men. They did not have to deal with anyone from New Jersey.
          Coincidence? Probably.

      • Alycia Swift

        I did not realize that. My state.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Would this be because by their definition every season pre-HvV even the young people were borderline Gen X?

      • Not all of them. The really young people on the later pre-HvV seasons are definitely in Millennial Generation like Frosti and Tocantins Spencer.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Yeah but you are talking the very young in a season and as we know the very young don’t do as well. Let’s say Tochantins by this standard only Sierra and Spencer are Millennials, Sydney and JT don’t count as they are in the dead zone.

          • Good call. Now, I am curious as to who would be considered a millennial from these mid teen seasons.
            China: Frosti, Jaime, Amanda, Todd
            Micronesia: Erik, Jason
            Gabon: Michelle, Paloma, Kelly, Kenny
            Tocantins: JT and Sydney would count because in Survivor terms, 83 is the dead year not 84.
            Samoa: Ashley, Brett, Monica

          • Kemper Boyd

            fuck did my math wrong.

          • I was sticking with Survivor rules, which also means that Paul is a Gen Xer.

          • Kemper Boyd

            No I just thought 84 was the dead year.

          • Yeah, I get that. That also means that there were only two millennials on HvV.

  • gouis

    Really glad Survivor gives me the excuse not to be a GenXer or Millennial. 1983 will forever be known correctly as GenY. JOIN THE REVOLUTION

    • Purplerockmatt

      :hi5:

      • gouis

        How would we describe ourselves on Survivor?

        “We’re good with technology but not reliant on it. We know what work is, but also really like to sit around playing 10 year old zelda games. 9/11 ruined everything”

        • Purplerockmatt

          sounds about right

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          I think that Probst is making it perfectly clear that you are not welcome on Survivor!

    • Other Scott

      I was born the same year as Adam. Does that make me a non-stupid Millenial?

  • So, um something weird just happened. Figgy liked my tweet about how I didn’t expect her to be a puzzler. The weird thing is that I didn’t tweet at her, so she is digging through that #Survivor timeline.

    • gouis

      Wouldn’t you?

      • No. I just expect fans to hate me and live in my cocoon.

      • Hell no. My mentions would be enough of a vile cesspool if I ever got on Survivor. And I’d stay far away from r/Survivor.

        • gouis

          That’s what you say now. We all know the truth.

        • K.P. Watershed

          This is probably easier said than done.

          • I’d definitely come to the comments here, though. And I’d find the first one of you that said something negative about me and perma-ban you.

            (I kid. Coming here to get made fun of would probably be one of my favorite parts of the whole experience.)

          • Purplerockmatt

            so you’d perma-ban Andy? how would that work?

          • Pretty much the way I’ve envisioned it working since about the third week of our first season of podcasting.

          • andythesaint

            LOL at the thought that I wouldn’t have already changed all the passwords while you were on the island.

        • Today is my cakeday over there.

    • Purplerockmatt

      yeah she also liked John’s tweet about the pretty face

    • A certain other Survivor that worked as a bartender does that as well…

      • Purplerockmatt

        ugh of course

      • Malcolm? Wow, that’s shocking.

        • Wait, who is it actually?

          • Purplerockmatt

            OWM

          • I figured as much. Good thing I don’t tweet about her anymore. I thought she would be chiller than that.

          • She has not taken the tepid response she’s gotten from the online fanbase very well.

          • Diego Armando

            Oh I just got it. You see, she was getting a Thai massage from a man named Tai.

          • Ohhhhhhhhhh. That’s funny! Homophones!

          • Oh dear.

          • corndogshuffle

            Oh, is Michele one of those people? I always just figured she should say “scoreboard, bitches” and that would win her any argument.

          • Diego Armando

            All that would do is cause people to compare her to Jenna and Fabio.

          • corndogshuffle

            I feel like the paycheck would be fairly comforting. Maybe that’s just me.

            Not that this means it’s unfair to analyze her “game” (God knows I have), but she does have a fairly definitive trump card.

          • I don’t imagine Fabio is crying that I think he’s an idiot that stumbled into a Survivor victory. He’s won Survivor more times than I have.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I mean, although yeah winning should be good enough, I can understand why she might be a bit annoyed. She won but the fanbases’ girlfriend got all the credit.
            For a woman the best way to become a fan favourite isn’t to win (unless you are Sandra or Kim) but to come somewhere between 2nd and 6th and get to come back.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Not just the fanbase. I wouldn’t blame OWM if she felt like the editors threw her under the bus in favor of Aubry. But yeah, she does have a million reasons to let it all just slide.

          • DrVanNostrand

            The editors can shit on me all they want if I win the million.

          • sharculese

            I’m drawing a blank as to such a person being on Survivor.

          • Hornacek

            All this talk about OWM reminded me that she is scheduled to be the recap guest on RHAP for this episode. Sigh, an entire episode of “Bro, I know!” and “malarkey”.

      • Other Scott

        Let’s be honest, OWM built one puzzle that we saw.

        It was an important puzzle, but mostly she did balancing stuff and memory challenges.

        • Hornacek

          Don’t forget about the reward challenge she single-handedly lost for her tribe, leading them to think she was going to go kill herself.

          • Damn Hornacek

          • Hornacek

            Sorry, had a rough volunteer shift at Red Lobster, wasn’t thinking clearly.

          • Alycia Swift

            Well that was Debbie thinking that – jokingly – but not a thing to joke about.

          • Hornacek

            Aside from not liking Jason’s laziness on that swap tribe, Debbie seemed to be acting very social, making friends with everyone (Greek gods and ordinary mortals). So for her to joke that Michele might be going off to kill herself made me think that Michele must have been *very* noticeably depressed.

            Plus no one called out Debbie on that, they seemed to think it was funny. No one spoke up for Michele there.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Cydney called her out. How dare you forget “Damn, Debbie.”

            Which was also probably what Barbara was referencing.

          • Hornacek

            Yes, I remember Debbie saying “I hope she doesn’t go off and drown herself.” which made Cydney laugh and say “Damn, Debbie.” Cydney laughing when she said that to Debbie didn’t seem to be her calling out Debbie – it looked more like Cydney saying “Oh man, that’s funny and probably true but I can’t believe you said that.”

          • DrVanNostrand

            That’s the Randy Bailey specialty. Shit on the unpopular people behind their backs. No one cares how mean you are if you’re making fun of people they don’t like.

          • Hornacek

            Well, Michele had just lost the challenge for the whole tribe, then she went off to sulk in full sight of everyone. Debbie and Cydney did not pick Michele as a target out of the blue.

          • DrVanNostrand

            That’s what I mean. If you choose the right person, being extra mean can make people like you more, not less. It’s 100% about choosing the right person.

          • Hornacek

            True, but I don’t think Debbie saying that and Cydney laughing at it was more about those two looking for someone to be mean to. It was much more about Michele’s challenge performance and then sulking about it – those actions were crying out for the other tribe members to comment on it.

    • K.P. Watershed

      I was yelling at the TV, “How do you choose the bartender over the pro gamer for a puzzle?” but Figs came up clutch.

      • Alycia Swift

        Mari might be smart not to puzzle to not show skills assuming she has them. I don’t know her work but does she game jigsaw puzzles because this was close to one.

      • jersey_luck

        Mari is also not a professional gamer. She plays video games as a career with the rest of the Smosh crew. Unlike Kenny she is not ranked as a gamer she just as more of a flow in personality with the rest of the Smosh crew.

        • Diego Armando

          She is more of a Let’s Player than a Competitive Gamer.

      • Diego Armando

        I’m not sure what types of games she plays. If she is into first person shooters, sports, racing, fighting games and MMO’s, then her puzzle skills would not be helped by her gaming.

        • Alycia Swift

          That’s what I thought.

        • That is what she plays.

      • Other Scott

        All that was missing was the bartender karate kicking the puzzle over after she won (final) immunity.

    • corndogshuffle

      She’s probably flirting with you. She’ll flirt with anything.

      • She has a pretty face you know.

        • corndogshuffle

          Oh, she already told me that.

        • Alycia Swift

          Does she? Does she really? Personally it did nothing for me. She looks pretty much like every other person cast as a bikini babe.

          • She looks like Jaclyn to me. Am I blind here?

          • Alycia Swift

            No, you are not. Different hair color … as I said like every other bikini babe.

          • corndogshuffle

            I think she is more generic looking than Jaclyn, but I see where that comparison is coming from.

          • There’s something about her eyes that screams Jaclyn.

          • corndogshuffle

            Her what?

            (Just kidding. I haven’t watched SJDS recently enough to make that connection, but now I’m curious and I have to know)

          • Maybe it is just her face. Now, she is also reminding me of Hali kinda.

          • Alycia Swift

            I was thinking Jeffra, Jaime, anyone really generic looking.

          • I don’t know if Jaime can be considered generic looking if her looks can inspire an imitation from Courtney Yates.

          • andythesaint

            I literally did not know such a thing was possible.

          • sharculese

            When Canada builds the wall, there will be a picture of Jaclyn put up as an example of what not to let in.

          • andythesaint

            Jaclyn is the default setting on your create a figure.

          • I thought it was my thing to go hard at bland mediocrity. But I’m glad you’re embracing it. Come to the dark side!

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Maybe a little bit when they both have their hair tied up in their buff. Otherwise, I wanna say…. blind?

          • Kemper Boyd

            As Corinne said in the one podcast a season I’ll listen to with her in, everyone is pretty at 23.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      Rodney used to favorite all of my tweets about him. Including when I all-caps called him a misogynistic piece of shit.

      • sharculese

        Rodney’s commitment to rolling with the punches was fairly impressive and one of the reasons I wouldn’t complain if they brought him back.

        • Hornacek

          If they bring him back, it has to be on a season that is filmed during his birthday.

          • Diego Armando

            Bro, this Birthday is even worse than my last.

          • Hornacek

            And schedule a reward challenge on his actual birthday and the reward includes a cake, and of course he won’t win because he never (?) won a single reward challenge.

          • You are correct. He never even went on a single reward challenge. In fact, he even reportedly only got the steak at the auction because Jenn’s infamous margarita went with it and, as a vegetarian, she couldn’t eat the steak.

          • Alycia Swift

            And no one must acknowledge it. And there has to be a reward with steak. And he has to do the dishes.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Individual puzzle challenge.

        • Other Scott

          Yeah, he seemed to completely understand that it was a TV show and he was a TV character, unlike some people on that season.

          (Though overall I think I like Rodney on the show better…STOP TELLING ME ABOUT YOUR BOWLING THING ALREADY)

          • Apparently there is more there, like a legit scam, going on.

          • Alycia Swift

            Agree with the bowling thing. I always found it funny (and not in a haha way) that it was a “no bullies” charity thing when he was one of the bullies.

      • I guess douches are just drawn to seeing people talk about them.

  • This was most definitely an episode of Survivor, so that’s good. (And apparently I’ve started copying my tweets to the comment section, so that’s less good.) I found Gen-X pretty dull, although if David (with whom I identify far too much) manages to pull something together, I suppose they could do more than vote off the weak. The Millennials were a little more exciting, but I will lose all hope in this season if the Axis of Jason Siska alliance somehow manages to actually do something in the game.

    • Axis of Jason Siska alliance honestly sounds like the least threatening thing possible.

      • Not to my enjoyment of the season

      • gouis

        Josh Wiggler’s impression of Siska as an enraged entitled prince is the best thing to come out of the ‘Evolution of Strategy’

        • It’s up there for me.

        • PRINCE SISKA DEMANDS YOU NEVER AGAIN MENTION THIS TRAVESTY*

          *Jason Siska probably has no idea what travesty means.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            “It’s like a good thing, bro! Let’s go ride the royal skimboards!”

        • Kemper Boyd

          I’m sorry but it’s below Wanda and that Parvati didn’t know Survivor was on before Cook Islands.

          • Yeah, Wanda has to be number 1. Parvati’s lack of Survivor knowledge is up there as well.

    • jersey_luck

      The alliance name of the Axis of Jason Siska alliance is a much more deserving name then the Triforce so good on you for coming up with the name.

      • Diego Armando

        I thought they were the unholy fusion of Jason Siska, Fabio and Drewchebag.

    • Hornacek

      “This was most definitely an episode of Survivor, so that’s good.”

      Not trying to make fun, but when I read this I heard Perd Hapley’s voice in my head.

      • That comment was a comment, and it was absolutely the type of comment I was going for!

    • Other Scott

      David is like the only hope for the Gen X tribe being anything interesting. And Paul I guess.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    I did a Cydney style “brrrrt?” noise when the genx alliance (I think it was Bret, specifically) said they had the numbers to split the vote with 6. Uhhhhhhh if the 4 he listed in the minority had just organized they would have defeated that vote split easily. I’m actually disappointed that they didn’t (although Rachel is no big loss).

    • I went with “That’s not how numbers work.” But I miss the “brrrrt?”

      • Alycia Swift

        He’s a student of the Brad Culpepper school of how numbers work.

        • Other Scott

          Brad Culpepper had it right! (It took him a while).

          Which is more than you can say for the Triforce. 4 into 10 = out.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Also “triforce” when they want to add Dragons. Quadforce sounds terrible.

          • Other Scott

            I think Michelle is just their outside floater.

            I feel like they intended to pick up more…and failed.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I wonder if they tried all that hard at this point, thinking it’s obvious none of them will be first boot and after Figgy’s puzzling I think the triforce will be safe for a few.

          • Yeah, I think there has to be a reason why we got the Michelle and Hannah interaction. My guess? Michelle realizes that she is a better fit with the Freaks and Geeks (obviously) and goes against Triforce.

          • DrVanNostrand

            That was the other thing that made me think that alliance is dumb. When you call yourselves the triforce, it makes it really obvious who is at the core of the alliance, and who you consider the outsiders.

      • Side Character

        I like the classic, “Hold up. You’re doing math wrong.”

    • Failed vote splits due to flippers are great. Failed vote splits due to the blatant stupidity of the players would be fantastic… and probably indicate that the rest of the season is going to be strategy-less and terrible

    • corndogshuffle

      I about spit my drink when I heard that bit.

      I’m assuming the thought process was that the four were out to lunch on strategy (and was David one of the four? Because he was a likely vote for Rachel at the time) and couldn’t possible have organized long enough to put four votes together. Not that that was a good gamble, but I’m going to hope that was why they thought a vote split was a good idea. Because the alternative is they just wanted to try a vote split. And that wouldn’t bode well for this season.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I agree and I actually think the editing may have been slightly to blame. It seemed like they thought the vote split was necessary because David was frantically looking for the idol, but the vote split was only really a viable possibility once they had his vote. I suppose it’s possible that there were other scenes of David’s paranoia focusing on the bottom 3 women that we just didn’t get to see.

        • tocantins

          Honestly, I got the impression that no one there knows exactly how this game works. So, when David started yelling, “He has an idol,” and started himself looking for idols, the tribe tried hard to remember from the couple of episodes they had watched what these idol things were. And then someone pointed out that in those episodes usually the tribe splits the vote when someone has an idol, so they went with it.

    • Other Scott

      For some reason I was kind of nodding along because I got it in my head somehow there were 9 people on each tribe.

  • Diego Armando

    I have posted a review of the episode on my blog at https://robertsreviewsandmusings.wordpress.com/. As always, please feel free to leave a comment or suggestion for how I can improve. Thank you.

  • Kent McK

    Adam and Mari became my two favorites as they disapprovingly watched the rest of the tribe jump into the ocean. Maybe not the smartest idea being the two out of ten not participating, but I really respected it.

    • Hornacek

      I was expecting to see one of them sink under the waves and appear to drown, like Thailand’s Robb when he stepped on the stingray.

    • Alycia Swift

      Yes, but Mari should avoid referring to herself as “mom” or “mother” because we all know what happens to “moms” that act like moms.

  • imredjimmy

    This is gonna be a tough one, I’m not really sure about this cast. The whole Gen X tribe are soooo boring. Chris might be a potentially interesting player there and Ken is fun too look at but the rest could put me too sleep. Oh and eye infection Jessica looked miserable, poor woman.

    If the F&G alliance take form and reign this could give me hope for the future because the…..ugh….triforce alliance is already driving me insane. And people please don’t vote out Cece she’s on my league team!

    • Yeah, the Gen X side seems a bit lacking in personality.

      • sharculese

        They still have Paul. Who I’m thankful is playing it way more safe than I believed he would.

      • Purple Tentacle

        I’m hoping they’ll emerge as complex and multi faceted individuals who can’t easily be boiled down into simple archetypes for the sake of a reality tv show.

        But who am I kidding?

    • Kemper Boyd

      How many times did Jay or taylor (I wasn’t paying attention to which one it was) said “the triforce” when they were talking about their alliance? I wanted to pull my ears off.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        The only thing Taylor said more than triforce was braaahhh

        • Kemper Boyd

          I don’t think Taylor knows a lot of words.

    • this bear is tops blooby

      The Triforce alliance, ugh, so obnoxious.

      • Hornacek

        Three is a prime number, it’s very lucky.

        (I just watched Stealth over the weekend)

        • Diego Armando

          I want to thank the Producers of Stealth for premiering the movie after the Academy voting period had ended.

          • Hornacek

            Eddie Murphy didn’t have that courtesy with Norbit.

  • sharculese

    So fyi, I figured out when the Millennial generation ends: it’s 17 May, 1998, the day the final episode of The Simpsons’ 9th season aired.

    • So do we get to blame the Millennials for ruining The Simpsons then? Let’s go with yes.

      https://frinkiac.com/meme/S05E20/288821.jpg?b64lines=QU0gSSBTTyBPVVQgT0YgVE9VQ0g_IApOTy4gSVQnUyBUSEUgQ0hJTERSRU4gCldITyBBUkUgV1JPTkcu

      • sharculese

        Uh, no, we’re the generation that grew up on The Simpsons.

        But, let me put it this way: One of my students told me she didn’t understand Roman numerals, and, when I responded “but how will you know the years certain motion pictures were copyrighted?” she had no idea what I was talking about.

        After that, I started polling my kids, and a lot of them are completely unaware that The Simpsons used to be funny. They just think of it as a show that’s still on tv for some reason.

        • You could show them the scene where Bart adds Rocky sequels to find the correct door to escape.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Rocky VII: Adrien’s Revenge!

          • Hornacek

            Wasn’t Creed actually Rocky VII?

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Which happens to be the only Rocky film I’ve ever seen.

          • Hornacek

            You haven’t seen Rocky IV, where Rocky defeats communism?

            I think we have the film for your next live Twitter watch!

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Not after you’ve spoiled it!

          • Hornacek

            Spoiler: Rocky does not die in Rocky I, Rocky II, Rocky III, Rocky IV, Rocky V, and Rocky VI.

        • Hornacek

          Besides copyright years in end credits, is there any other use for roman numerals?

          • Kemper Boyd

            Super Bowls? Fancy Clocks?

          • Hornacek

            Didn’t the Superbowl change from roman numerals to regular numbers this year? I thought I saw something about how they didn’t want “Superbowl L” so they changed it to “Superbowl 50”. They didn’t mind it when it was a bunch of Xs and Is, but a single letter that most viewers probably didn’t know meant “50” was too hoity-toity for people.

          • Kemper Boyd

            It’ll be Superbowl LI next year though…

          • Hornacek

            Boo! If you’re gonna change the format, don’t switch back after one, stick with it for awhile!

          • Alycia Swift

            Denoting sections on legal briefs. Calling things Article I, Article II…
            Trying to confuse people after Roman numeral XX (20) because you have to think about the number then.

          • Hornacek

            Admit it, you just wanted to say “legal briefs”.

          • Alycia Swift

            I live to say that.

          • Hornacek

            Every day I hope someone will ask me if I want to present my rebuttal so I turn around and say “With pleasure!”

        • Other Scott

          Unless your parents didn’t let you watch the Simpsons because Bart was rude and a bad example.

          The funny thing is other than that they were very reasonable and sometimes lax parents.

          • Hornacek

            I read an article years ago that did a poll of current tv shows and found that The Simpsons was the most religious show on tv, and the one that had the most moral values.

            Take that, Barbara Bush!

          • Alycia Swift

            That is so funny. The Simpsons are more religious than shows that actually espouse religion – like the 700 Club or the other evangelical shows you sometimes see.

          • Hornacek

            In one episode Bart sells his soul and then spends the rest of the episode trying to get it back? How is this not the most religious show on TV?

        • Purplerockmatt

          they also wouldn’t learn roman numerals how the Simpsons taught them: Rocky V plus Rocky II equals Rocky VII: Adrian’s Revenge! (later renamed Creed)

  • Vagabond

    Sooooooo, there’s still plenty of time for the season to turn around; but when my favorite players so far are the male model and the (ick) christian missionary recruiter, you know something is terribly wrong…

    • It’s early. Some people may still surprise you.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Yeah, that’s what I’m telling everyone too. How quickly we forget Aubry in last season’s premiere, for example.

        • jersey_luck

          What are you talking about? In last year’s premiere Aubry at a mini arc in which is was sick on day 2, was considered weak, and came back to beast the first immunity challenge. She was one of the more memorable parts of the first episode

  • Black Dynamite

    I’m cautiously optimistic about the season, though it is upsetting to see another POC as the first boot. I’m looking forward to inevitable downfall of the Triforce featuring Michelle, Michaela’s amazing facial expressions and continuing to experience the beauty that is Ken. A few people jumped out as possible big time players. I would buy stock in Adam, Chris, Mari and Zeke.

    • Kemper Boyd

      As much as a shame as the PoC being first boot was odds were always in that favour anyway as all the men except David seem to have challenge worth and 6 out of 10 of the women are PoC. But of course first boot couldn’t be nice older white lady Sunday.

      I now want John to run a stock based fantasy game.

      • Black Dynamite

        That would be a cool idea for a fantasy game.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Pre-season I was actually thinking this could be a rare season where we’re safe from a person of color being the first boot. I thought the millennials would be likely to lose first immunity and just as a generation I think they (aka we as I am technically one of them) would consciously avoid targeting someone for ‘otherness’ in that way.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Nah I just felt that the otherness they would have targeted would have been Hannah or Michelle (nerd and weirdo, that braid is gross).

          • Kent McK

            Yeah, what is going on with Michelle? She is a christian converter/missionary, yet she is dressed like some new age zen cult leader? Great casting find I guess.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I dunno but I want to put her in a shower already and then cut off her braid.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Have you read her interviews? She’s a grade A nutjob, and she’s basically all over the place.

      • I’ve considered trying to change the draft leagues into auction leagues, but it was hard to make it work.

  • VoicOff

    Is no one gonna complain about Avclub dropping coverage of the show ?
    We could at leats rant in the comments of last season’s finale.
    (Maybe it’s good for purplerockpodcast : an opportunity to gather the lost commenters, but still…)

    • Alycia Swift

      Everyone here discussed it and/or ranted about it over the summer when they first heard about it. I think everyone has gotten used to it by now.

      • VoicOff

        How did you learned about it ? I don’t hang here that much between seasons

        • Alycia Swift

          When someone here posted that it was tweeted by someone at AV (I forget the name.) I personally never was at AV Club.

          • VoicOff

            So i can’t recruit you to go rant in every AVC thread to demand return of coverage. 🙁

          • sharculese

            Ranting about the cutback to TV happened several months ago. If you tried it now there’s a good chance you’d just get banned.

          • VoicOff

            I tried anyway

          • sharculese

            The thing you have to remember is that this is really a problem they made for themselves. Todd wasn’t a numbers guy, he was a guy who was passionate about tv, and his vision of the most comprehensive place to talk about tv on the internet was admirable but not sustainable. Writing 75 checks a week to freelancers is expensive, and the ad revenue wasn’t justifying it.

            The thing is, they kind of knew this because they shut down TV Club Classic when it was obvious it wasn’t make a process. But nobody at the Onion really noticed how bad the situation was. Then Univision bought the sites, took a look at the books, and realized TV Club was a money pit.

            And this is where the “they did it to themselves” part comes in, because letting the number of shows that got covered balloon so massively is what did things in. My guess is that things actually weren’t as bad under his tenure since he was writing a quarter of those posts himself and probably not getting paid over his full-time salary. But when they shifted to Teti, who had no interest in writing TV reviews, that cushion went away, with no plan for what came next.

            If they had had just a few shows on the roster that didn’t make money, they maybe could have pointed to them as loss leaders. But there were just sooooo many that a root-and-branch cleanup became the only course of action.

          • VoicOff

            Oh, i knew there was very sensible reasons for the dropping, even if i didn’t kept track of the internal changes at AVC.
            Nevertheless, i am bummed, and i won’t be bummed in silence. I dont’ watch that much tv, but Survivor and Adventure Time are some of
            my favorite shows, and they attract a really cool community. I have
            zero interest in switching them for Rupaul’s Drag Race.

            I don’t know maybe that knew buzzfeed-inspired food column will make so much money they can afford to have more tv coverage. I dont’ mind if they, like, ask PewdiePie and the Kardashian what’s their take on cream in carbonaras. Just don’t disturb my corner of the internet.

          • Alycia Swift

            I’m not much of a ranter on line. Verbally, sure. Constantly.

    • Purplerockmatt

      avclub cut down its tvclub coverage dramatically. apparently it is a losing proposition for most shows even survivor which had a lot of comments but not a lot of views. Carrie I think tweeted about it

  • Sylvisual

    Interesting info on the advantage from Probst on EW.com:
    “Yes, it will be in the game in the final episode. If the holder of the advantage is voted out, they will the advantage to another player in private AFTER Tribal Council. You would then see in their confessional who they willed it to, but nobody else would have any idea. Then it would show up in that person’s personal bag.”

    • Hornacek

      So we’re guaranteed that this advantage will be used on day 36. What’s the guess on how many times it will change hands until then? More or less than five?

      Also, if we don’t find out what it is until day 36, how likely is that it will be something very underwhelming, like “you have an hour to practice the next immunity challenge”?

      • Kemper Boyd

        If Jessica makes the merge 3 times, if not 8.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Should inheriting the advantage count in the fantasy game? On the one hand you didn’t actively do anything to receive it, on the other being chosen over everyone else to get it is not nothing. So one point maybe?

        I think it’s much more likely to be too powerful, like a choice between immunity at final four or the ability to vote someone off the jury.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I feel like Jessica deserves props for getting it but I don’t like the idea that each time it gets passed on the person who gets it gets points.

        • I’m guessing it’s more likely to be related to immunity or jury votes than a challenge advantage.

    • tocantins

      When Jessica read the advantage, I honestly couldn’t stop laughing. Is it the most useless advantage ever in the history of Survivor? “Hey, you get an advantage, but only if you get to F5! It won’t help you get there at all, and it has 75% chance of not even being yours when it finally does something, but hey, congrats!”

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        It could help along the way. You could use the promise to bequeath it if you get voted out to lock down a final 2 ally, or to get a vote against you in a vote split to flip.

        • Promising that you’ll give it to someone if you get voted out would make them more willing to let you get voted out!

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Certainly, but I’m thinking more along the lines of a ride-or-die alliance, the kind where it’s in neither person’s interest to burn the other. I think that’s an element fans underestimate, although maybe I’m overestimating it since I just finished Cook Islands.

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    I don’t think we should assume Triforce (ugh!) are innumerate morons. Forming an onion alliance on day 1 is quite an accomplishment by itself, and as the pretty people they probably think they’ll have no problem pulling in two more as numbers. Assuming that Freaks and Geeks consists of Mari, Hannah, Adam, and Zeke, I think Michaela and Will are still very much up for grabs.

    Once the GenX majority (who’s so boring they don’t have a nickname yet) decided to trust David, what was the point of continuing to split the vote??? Ugh!

    • Kemper Boyd

      I get the feeling that the Freaks and Geeks have a better shot at Michaela and Will than the Onion of Idiots.

      • I am not so sure about Will not flocking over there. I actually think Michelle is going to be our swing vote, because of that odd inclusion of her conversation with Hannah.

      • Alycia Swift

        Especially since both seem like they work and the triforce sat around at times.

    • tocantins

      I think the point is that if there are 4 people really really close, and 4 other people that are just normally allied (mostly for convenience), it would be really stupid of Michaela and Will to join the pretty kids and be forever on the bottom. Besides, Mari has talked to them already and she seems willing to bring them in, while the pretty kids apparently didn’t bother at all to do so, and will only realize both exist when they need their votes.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Would they be on the bottom, though? Will or Michaela would by default be the brains of the operation, and might see an opportunity to effectively control five votes. In fact, if any of them turn out to know about Mari from her YouTube channel, she’d be crazy not to try and leverage that.

        • prettyboyprobst

          I don’t think Michaela is going to be tempted so much by that opportunity as Zeke. I still think it’s likely that, when it comes down to it, even as the brains of the operation he would be the bottom of their alliance, but that’s not such a bad problem to have in the first week of the game.
          With Figgy there it would also be a dangerous position to be in. If she doesn’t like one of your plans,who knows what happens to you at TC.
          Will I could see going with the (young and) popular kids, but more as their lap dog.

      • prettyboyprobst

        I don’t think we saw her talking to Will and Zeke, so that’s who I’m worried could spoil the plans of the freaks and geeks. We also didn’t see how Adam and Michaela felt about Mari’s proposal, but I guess knowing that they were approached has to suffice for the moment.

    • It’s less that I assume Triforce are definitely morons (although I wouldn’t be shocked if they are) and more that I really, really want them to be.

    • Kent McK

      I am high on Taylor. I think he has enough going on upstairs that he is not going to be caught off guard by the Freaks and Geeks, and even if the Triforce (a name I like by the way) is targeted, I think Taylor will be safe in the interest of tribe strength. I also think that there is a good shot Taylor ends up working with Adam and Mari, because those two are going to need a meat shield. I think that Adam and Mari will be able to reason with Taylor; I think he is more of a rational Malcolm type bro than an irrational Christy type bro.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I’m going to pass on the obvious “high on Taylor” joke. I think Michaela and Will are still completely up for grabs, and I think Mari and Adam are capable of playing both sides and are more committed to not being caught in the minority than to anything else. Michelle also to some extent. “Look pretty, be an asset in challenges, and don’t talk religion” could take her pretty far.

      • prettyboyprobst

        I was pretty high on Taylor to and haven’t totally given up on him yet. He should be safe for at least a few rounds and possibly even longer, provided the Jay-plan (he doesn’t “plan on losing to a bunch of old people”) keeps working.

      • DrVanNostrand

        I agree he’s safe for the time being, and that he could be a meat shield, but I saw absolutely no evidence in the episode that he has anything going on upstairs.

      • Taylor’s better than Jay (because Jay is the worst), but I’m yet to be convinced that he really knows what he’s doing. I hope he proves me wrong, since he’s on my Outcast League team.

    • prettyboyprobst

      It’s an accompilshment, but you can’t be so obvious about it (which they were) and you have to keep healthy relations with the rest of the tribe (which we didn’t see, fwiw).

      Buuut, after a rewatch I have to admit, I’m kind of on board with the Triforce. I like the misfits a little better, but I hope they don’t lose for a while, so we can keep them a little longer.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I’m not even sure they can count on Michelle. I think she’d flip on them in an instant if the wind started blowing the other way. I’m not so much put off by the ‘triforce’ as I am by how oblivious they seem to be about it. They’re about as subtle as a freight train.

  • tocantins

    Well, so far this season appears to be quite underwhelming. Mari seems great, as expected, and Zeke pleasantly surprised me, as well as Hannah, that seems funnier and better player than I expected. Basically everyone else was a bit of a disappointment. The GenX tribe seems to gather all the negative stereotypes about older people (and it is definitely not surprising that they focused on the two non-white members); Dave seriously is not mentally fit to be in Survivor; and no one else there seemed to have a clue what they were doing or to be funny and interesting.

    Most of the Millennials also encapsulate the negative stereotypes about the young people; although in this case, it seems likely that the worst offenders (Michelle and Jay, which we knew would be bad, but also Taylor and Figgy, from whom I expected a bit more) are going to be voted out early.

    Overall, I’m quite unexcited about this season. I didn’t even bother to watch until the end of the tribal. Luckily, there is also Australian Survivor going on, which so far has been a blast.

    • prettyboyprobst

      Rec’d for the Australian Survivor plug and the general sentiment, but I saw few more people that didn’t disappoint me: Adam and Michaela, in addition to the three you mentioned, were fine, and I think even the pretty people can still turn it around. They acted stupid as a whole, but each of them shows at least some promise.
      On Gen-X, Chris, Ken and Lucy were better than I expected, the rest matched my low expectations or was worse.

  • jersey_luck

    So thinking about this episode over night, and I personally have to say this was probably the worst premiere episode since South Pacific. I think it might be because of how the story was being told. Last night we never got a clear sense of where people stood until I think Bret told us. I also didn’t get a clear sense of who people like Michaela, CeCe, Lucy, and the first boot Rachel. So this episode was told poorly and it makes me worried for the rest season.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Lucy was totally invisible. Cece had some airtime right after hitting the beach and in bashing the millennials. Rachel I thought got enough airtime to tell her story. Michaela was just their for the facial expressions

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Eh, they never get to everyone in the premiere, especially in a 20 player season. Plus I think we may be spoiled by Australian Survivor, where for better or worse we know all there is to know about everybody.

        • jersey_luck

          No I was thinking about last season where we saw everybody. We got to see dynamics from all the people. We saw interactions of how the players acted with each other which is something I thought was missing from this premiere.

    • I actually think South Pacific’s premiere isn’t that bad. I think SJDS’s premiere is worse than that one.

      • Black Dynamite

        Least favorite premiere episodes

        1. Vanuatu
        2. One World
        3. San Juan del Sur
        4. Thailand
        5. Africa

        • Max_Jets

          Oh man, Africa might be least favorite. Who even is Diane?

    • This is the first 20-person all-newbie season since Nicaragua, so I’m not surprised by the failure to tell a coherent story. I didn’t like the premiere either and I’m harboring serious doubts about where this season is going, but I wouldn’t write it off immediately.

      • I did like the premiere, although I understand the criticisms. And you’re right that the 20-person cast makes the introduction of everyone (and establishing their relationships) really difficult, especially when you have to also tell the story of their evacuation.

  • Crappy

    I found the premier good enough, I think Survivor has pretty much gotten the knack of throwing out a good premier despite the cast/circumstances. I don’t remember a bad premier episode since One World. .. But.. man that Gen X tribe.. don’t like a single character on there. A possible contender for one of the worst group of people cast on the show IMO. Hopefully they prove me wrong. Millennials seems like an all-star tribe compared to them. Zeke being the obvious star, 3 villains you love to hate in the ‘tri-force’, Adam a likable narrator, Hannah and Mary seem interesting while Micaela has potential too.
    I seriously have no interest in seeing Gen X tribe’s dynamics going forward. Here is hoping they do some kind of swap at 18 itself

  • Something Quirky

    YOU’RE NOT MY REAL CARRIE!

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer
    • DrVanNostrand

      Am I the only one who thinks Ken is basically rocking the porn star look? It’s the boxer briefs + dress socks + abs.

  • DrVanNostrand

    I’m way late to this party. Somehow I forgot about the premiere, but my DVR did not! Gen Xers are boring and the triceratops sucks. My hopes for this season rest with the F&G Millennials.

  • These Words

    This was a weird episode. I have no idea who anybody is yet. I gather Zeke is the name of the non-Millennial that hates Twitter but has an account anyway who is stuck with the idiot Millennials who are not at all stereotypes. Yeah, I like him. I didn’t realize that there was a super hot guy until I read all the comments here. Had to look up this Ken you all keep mentioning. I guess I can see it.

    Anyway, that Freaks and Geeks photo kind of amazed me. Seth Rogen and Franco blew up, Jason Segal has had a great career and Linda Cardellini has had a great career with some really interesting roles. I feel bad for that blonde kind of.

    Hope nobody dies next week. First episodes are always underwhelming to me, looking forward to watching the rest of Season 33: Self Absorbed Flakes vs the former Self Absorbed Flakes who made goddamn movies about being Self Absorbed Flakes before these upstarts were born. well, some of them.

    Also I really don’t understand what’s going on with the AV Club. Fortunately I started coming here last season anyway.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Keep scrolling down. Sharculese has a good summary of what happened to the AV Club.

    • Kemper Boyd

      This is the first 20 player newbie season since Nicaragua, so it’s not unexpected to struggle to know every player this soon.
      You don’t need to be sad for Busy Phillips, she works and married a screenwriter who writers big romcoms (Never Been Kissed, He’s Not that Into You) so she’s fine.

  • UseYourCommonSense

    HORRIBLE premiere.

    Cheesy ass theme shoved down our throats every two seconds…all the contestants pandering and disingenuously feeding into the corny ass theme. I’m a millennial but I’m sick of them generalizing all millennials or gen x’rs as one person.

    Boring as hell…I turn it off after 30 minutes I couldn’t do it anymore. Won’t be tuning in until the merge hopefully they will have stopped pandering to the corny ass theme by then.

  • MsFjordstone

    Another refugee from AV Club, here. Glad to see so many familiar faces!

  • Dezbot

    Fellow AV Club Survivor refugee here. Not much to add since I’m so late to the party (because I floundered around like a Millennial trying to figure out where the AV Club recap went), but man, do I hate the Milliennial tribe already. Also, according the metric they used, I’m a Gen-Xer, so I guess I’m bound by law or something to root for them.

    Did Carrie say why they were dropping Survivor coverage? 🙁