Survivor Millennials vs Gen X Episode 13 Liveblog: “Slayed the Survivor Dragon”

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"Slayed The Survivor Dragon" - Adam Klein and Justin Starrett on the thirteenth episode of SURVIVOR: Millennials vs. Gen. X, Wednesday, Dec. 7 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Photo: Screen Grab/CBS Entertainment ©2016 CBS Broadcasting, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

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Matt has an irrational dislike for all contestants named Michel(l)e. Also if he ever takes a strong stance about why everyone else is wrong, it is he that is inevitably wrong.

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  • This is for sure the second finale with 6 active players still on the merge beach (after Cambodia). All three Redemption Island seasons have had at least 6 (Redemption Island had 8, SoPa had 6, and BvW had 7).

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    So if I’m reading the open right, Will goes first, then Jay plays his idol to eliminate Bret. Wouldn’t be a terrible episode, but I don’t know why David got by unscathed. Maybe he wins both immunities?

    lol. both immunities

    • Maritimer

      Not sure when he plays the idol, but that’s exactly what I see too.
      I am not sure how David survives either. Probably think they need to take their shot at Jay when he doesn’t have immunity

  • the sky is falling

    So, Will’s plan to get to the end is to betray as many jury members as possible right before the end by flipping multiple times? Got it!
    I see he is from the Hantz school of piss everyone off equals guaranteed win.

    • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

      I think he thinks of it as the Sandra school of play. If done correctly, it gets you to the end, but yeah, the jury sure as shit won’t vote for you.

      • Alycia Swift

        Sandra is just more likable. Plus she had kids and was not a kid.

        • the sky is falling

          Plus will is not known for subtlety.

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            Somehow it feels like the spirit of Shouting At The Camera has left Adam for Will.

  • the sky is falling

    awesome Penner moment for will in that challenge. “thanks Jeff”

    • Alycia Swift

      He should know Jeff is going to comment on the person who can’t get past the first part.

  • sharculese

    Calling it, Jay’s go-to move for getting laid is winning the big teddy bear at the arcade with his skeeball skills.

    • Or bowling, assuming Taylor still wants to go.

      • Alycia Swift

        Girls are not allowed at Jay’s bowling.

        • the sky is falling

          Ahem, that “A bowling”

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I’ve seen worse moves.

      • sharculese

        I’ve made worse moves.

    • Kemper Boyd

      To be fair, I think his go to move, much like Ken is just “hey girl” and then he gets laid. He’s very handsome.

      • andythesaint

        Then he breaks out the vinyl.

        • His finishing move: quoting poetry.

          Man, Fishbach was really on to something in Cambodia.

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    What a turn around.
    Will: “People just tell me what to do like I’m a child and don’t value my input.”
    Also Will: “I’m the kingpin, and I’m calling the shots.”

  • Alycia Swift

    Why isn’t David looking to see if there is a rehidden idol?

    • Maritimer

      I’m going to hope its the ridiculous way they are packing in a double boot now means they can’t show it, or David isn’t nearly the player we thought he was

      • the sky is falling

        David is looking, but they won’t show it unless he finds one

    • andythesaint

      There’s only three reasons an idol hunt is ever shown:
      A) an idol is found
      B) the obvious boot of the episode needs to find one but can’t
      C) you suck at finding idols in really funny ways.

      • turgid_legume

        D) the tribe stages an idol find to shut up some moron

      • Hornacek

        E) The tribe prays and God shows them where the idol is.

      • sharculese

        This is kind of a mix of A and C, but they would have shown the mad treasure hunt even if Spencer had failed.

  • Alycia Swift

    Does Hannah not go in the ocean?

    • corndogshuffle

      Glad I wasn’t the only person thinking this… she looks filthy, even for a Survivor contestant.

      • Maybe she’s like Kimmi and scared of the water…oh wait, that was in Australia.

        • corndogshuffle

          She was just trying to make sure the aquatic life wasn’t being hunted to extinction.

          • sharculese

            From self-righteous vegetarian to person who doesn’t know what local ecosystems are: The Kimmi Kappenberg Story

          • I thought the Kimmi Kappenberg story was “From Causing Chicken Drama to Causing the Most Improbable Tribal Council to Happen*”

            *=Spencer also did his part there.

    • I didn’t notice until tonight, but yikes.

    • gouis

      She’s probably scared of waves.

      • Hornacek

        She’s seen previous seasons and knows there are sharks, stingrays, sea urchins, etc. Her anxiety won’t let her go in.

        • Dezbot

          You’d think she’d be anxious about all the filth on her bringing disease with it. I was hoping she’d win a reward challenge that included a shower. I swear I could smell her through the TV.

          • Man, has there been a reward challenge with a shower included. Usually, there is a spa reward somewhere.

  • Alycia Swift

    Taken the shears and razor away from Michele. Zeke looks awful with that haircut.

    • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

      I like it. Though I like undercuts in general

    • Hornacek

      What is up with Chris’ hair on the jury? He looks like Jerry in the episode where he got the terrible haircut.

    • Ms_Woozah

      And I think he only packed one kind of shirt.

      • sharculese

        He has ugly tank tops, too. It’s the full gamut of gay hipster summerwear.

    • sharculese

      I was making Paul F Tompkins jokes pre-season, but now I think he’s actually trying to look like Thomas Lennon.

      • Tompkins always wears a suit, at least.

        • sharculese

          Who has worn a suit on Survivor and not ended up being a total douche? Ostin doesn’t coun’t because he sold it.

          • Do I troll you by saying Andrew Savage or nah?

          • sharculese

            You don’t, because we both know you have enough perspective on Savage to know he comes off as a bit of douche.

          • In the most magnificent ways, though.

          • Hornacek

            Does Tyson’s tuxedo t-shirt at the reunion count?

  • jersey_luck

    Jeff last season winner won because she was a nice person.

    • Alycia Swift

      Wasn’t this filming before Michele won?

      • jersey_luck

        Probst knew that Michele won at this point.

    • andythesaint

      AND HE NEVER WANTS THAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN.

      • jersey_luck

        Fair enough

        • She actually commented about that Probst exchange on Twitter. She’s still salty.

          • Max_Jets

            Deservedly so.

          • She’s got a million reasons to let it go, though.

          • Hornacek

            Bro, she knows!

          • She says that, and yet…

          • Max_Jets

            True, but some people would rather have respect than money.

          • Those people are insane. Also, in this case we’re talking about the respect of podcasters and people on r/Survivor. So not exactly a crowd you generally need to concern yourself with.

          • sharculese

            She’s not insane. She did something hard. Something only 29 other people had ever done. (because Jeremy and Kristie hadn’t won yet, and I refuse to do the math on all the non-English franchises). To do that and then have people say she just stumbled into it by default has to suck. I made a big show out of pretending Michele didn’t exist her whole season, and I’ll still stand up for the fact that she did subtle stuff to push herself to the end. Is it guilt? Yeah, probably, but fuck it, Micheled did what she needed to to win.

          • jersey_luck

            And that is why I find Michele acceptable has an acceptable winner of Survivor. She proves that you do not need big moves to win, you just have to have people like you and have them not be angry at you. A skill that Adam still does not have.

          • That’s kind of my point. She proved Probst wrong and won without big moves or any sort of strategic acumen. I don’t understand why she gets so angry about the Big Moves narrative- she’s already proven she’s correct. She can point to the scoreboard.

    • Hornacek

      Was she really?

      • jersey_luck

        Yes she likable enough where people voted her a million dollars

        • Hornacek

          I think there was a more aesthetic reason for most of them than whether she was likable.

  • Mike Hirsch

    I finally figured it out: Will looks like a young, stretched version of Cary Elwes!

    • the sky is falling

      Sounds like a Penner

    • StormofCuteness

      Just…no.

    • Ms_Woozah

      Don’t ruin Cary Elwes for me

      • The Dread Pirate Roberts made BIG MOVES ™.

      • Dezbot

        As you wish.

  • Alycia Swift

    “Jay has to go home.” He is not going.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Either that or the editors just stopped trying.

  • the sky is falling

    Probably beer talkin, but Jessica is island hot winner of this season.

  • This season has done a really good job making the most predictable boots fairly exciting. Going in, I was pretty sure Will was going home in the first half hour, but I still got really nervous about David. At the same time, it didn’t felt like we were being misled, since a lot of people seem to still want David out.

    I had said this a little last week, but I’m really thinking that Adam’s idol play couldn’t have worked out better for him. He built/rebuilt alliances that he desperately needed, but Will’s flip put the target on him instead. I’m not sure if that was Adam’s intention, but it worked.

  • Alycia Swift

    They are on day 34 right? We won’t see what that damn Legacy Advantage is until the finale. Damn.

    • m0nit0rman

      Which is next week.

  • Alycia Swift

    Shouldn’t can’t work on puzzle mean not look at it either?

    • Hornacek

      Look but don’t touch.

  • the sky is falling

    This second challenge is really awesome

    • Alycia Swift

      One of the better ones. The best thing was to get it stuck somewhere.

      • the sky is falling

        As noted in live blog, it helps that it’s Plinko, the best Price is right game

        • Black Dynamite

          Speaking of Plinko, has anyone seen the promo for the game show Chris Hardwick is hosting? A blatant ripoff of Plinko would be an understatement. I’m suprised there isn’t already a lawsuit.

    • this bear is tops blooby

      It was a really great challenge, though I’m surprised no one timed the ball as it trickled down.

      • Hornacek

        I bet some did, but the times probably changed each time due to the randomness of the maze and how many nails the ball hit on the way down.

        • this bear is tops blooby

          I took that into account. Just use the initial time as an eta, then subtract maybe like 5 seconds just to be safe. Keep turning around to confirm.

          • Hornacek

            I’d guess that it’s hard to count to 20 in your head while trying to put a block puzzle together. You’d probably lose track of what number you’re one many times.

          • this bear is tops blooby

            I’d gamble and just not work on the puzzle the first time. It’d probably save you time especially when you don’t catch the ball.

          • Hornacek

            I might try that, but I’d be afraid of Jeff yelling “Hornacek! Just standing there! While everyone else makes progress on their puzzle! Falling completely out of this challenge!”

          • this bear is tops blooby

            Thanks Jeff!

    • Ms_Woozah

      Agreed, that was one of the few challenges where I was like “oh I’d actually like to do that”

  • Black Dynamite

    Legacy Advantage is in play for Ken!!

    • Alycia Swift

      Are we on day 34 or 35? Cause if its 35, then tomorrow, yes b/c that’s day 36.

      • Definitely Day 35.

        • Alycia Swift

          I must have missed the chyron.

  • Maritimer

    No way Jay misses how blatantly Adam just telegraphed he was the target. So do they do a vote split or let Jay just get to pick who goes?

    • Alycia Swift

      They are going to have to split to save David. Otherwise, Jay’s after David.

      • Maritimer

        But do they WANT to save David at this point?

        • Alycia Swift

          Apparently they do.

          Wow.

          • Maritimer

            Utterly baffling to me. Take out the biggest threat.

      • the sky is falling

        SHIT YOUR FILTHY WHORE MOUTH, LEAVE DAVID ALONE!

        • Alycia Swift

          I want David to stay too.

          • the sky is falling

            Just didn’t want ya to misread my tone

          • Alycia Swift

            On this site, I know people are joking.

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    This game is becoming more and more like Big Brother. Idk how to feel

    • the sky is falling

      That’s only cause Adam is always yelling

    • Max_Jets

      I’d be cool with that. Big Brother is a great game that has become a bad show.

  • Alycia Swift

    So Hannah made a move.

    • I love Hannah, but I’m not sure how impactful taking out Sunday instead of Bret is going to be.

      Edit: She’s probably right that it was important to take out Sunday, but I’m not sure if that helps her win jury votes.

      • The thing is though that Sunday could have pulled a very convincing jury argument and brought up that she was a cancer survivor (which could have swayed people like Adam and Jay).

        • That’s possible. I’m not saying it was a bad move, but I just hope Hannah doesn’t think it was enough to give her the win.

          • Alycia Swift

            If against Ken and Bret, maybe. But everyone else has done more.

          • Absolutely.

        • Kent McK

          Imagine getting on Survivor. You make it to day 35. Then you aren’t even a character on the season and the only mention of you in your boot episode is what a massive goat you are. I should feel kind of bad for Sunday, but I don’t.

          • You are forgetting her trying to take out Jessica for some unexplained reason.

          • Hornacek

            Because they were arch-enemies!

      • Violina23

        Begs the question — would Hannah have had a path to the victory? I think she’s adorkable, but the only people I could see her beating was Will and…. Will?

        • andythesaint

          Her best two options went out the door this episode. By her hand.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I think Hannah just wants to get to F3 by any means necessary and figure it out from there. So in that sense Will and especially Sunday were big obstacles.

    • Hornacek

      I liked that she acknowledged that she wanted to get rid of Sunday not because she thought Sunday was a threat to win in the end, but that she was someone others would want to take to the end as a goat. There are only 3 spots at the finale, and if Sunday takes one of those spots it makes it harder for Hannah (and everyone else) to get one of the 2 remaining spots.

  • Black Dynamite

    Hannah Moment of the Week: Hannah channeled her inner Cirie and pushed the vote to Sunday and got to watch in glee as it worked. The rise of Hannah continues. Hannah Forever!! We are all witnesses.

    • Hornacek

      OWH

  • Kent McK

    The lack of respect the editors showed Will and Sunday was truly something. Great burn off episode.

    • Dezbot

      Was telling the friend I watch with that I think Sunday got very little screen time because the editors couldn’t stand her voice. Lord knows we couldn’t, either.

      • andythesaint

        I don’t think her voice was a surprise to them. I’m guessing it was part of the reason they chose her.

        • Dezbot

          Right, but with her crap gameplay and that annoying voice, I’m guessing they didn’t feel like finding more footage of her to air than necessary.

  • the sky is falling

    David makes a fake idol next week! EPIC!

    • Alycia Swift

      And it looks ok. Thing is – all the idols so far have looked the same.

      • Hornacek

        He’s had 2 idols so he probably knows more than any other player this season what a fake idol should look like.

        • the sky is falling

          Asking for a friend, making a fake idol counts as finding an idol, right?

          • Hornacek

            If that’s true then I want Bret and Hannah to make 3-4 idols each in the finale.

          • the sky is falling

            I’d like a Survivor season where everyone starts with an idol. And there are 6 idols on each beach.
            Survivor 35: IDOL MADNESS

          • Hornacek

            Jeff: And the votes are all in … (sighs) … and once again none of the votes count.

          • the sky is falling

            Possibly. It could also make the pre-merge game pretty psychotic and entertaining. When the game starts no one would know that everyone else had idols. Does everyone spill the beans that they have idols? Maybe no one tells?

            It’s crazy enough that it just might work. Random folks would be voted off and people would have difficulty forming alliances. Plus imagine how awesome it would be when James Clement was voted off with 5 idols in his pocket.

          • Hornacek

            Give everyone an idol except one person. Then tell the players that on day one, and that they’re not allowed to show their idol to another person.

    • Hornacek

      And according to Zeke’s exit interviews, it won’t even be the first fake idol this season.

  • corndogshuffle

    Was super nervous for David, even though it felt like he had way better plot armor than Sunday. Hopefully he can pull it off next week.

    That second challenge was *amazing* I thought. Added a whole new dimension to standard puzzles. Hopefully Survivor returns to that well.

    • Purplerockmatt

      yeah i loved that as well

    • Kent McK

      I wasn’t buying it. I thought there was a 0.0% of David getting voted off tonight. I would probably just be sitting in silence right now if it happened.

      • Kingoftonga

        The two-votes-in-one-episode thing was sort of a tip off that no one of importance was going home. Which is sort of a shame, because I think David actually could have been in a pretty precarious spot there for the second vote, and they could have gotten some more drama out of it.

      • corndogshuffle

        I was worried but only in spite of facts. My brain still knew the Sunday thing was most likely, but I couldn’t make myself get over the possibility of David leaving.

        I really like David, he’s probably the player on this season most like me, if I was a decent amount more neurotic.

        • Mike Hirsch

          Yeah, I relate to David to a degree. Kindred spirit, at least.

          • corndogshuffle

            It’s not a perfect comp for me, but it’s close enough to make him my favorite this season.

  • This is a really great final 6, character-wise. I know this came up a little last season, but I’m curious to hear how people think this final 6 stacks up historically.

    • sharculese

      David is still there.

      • the sky is falling

        Isn’t he a t least a good Cochrane level narrator? I know you despise David

        • sharculese

          No. He’s not funny. He’s just creepy.

          • the sky is falling

            Oh well, can’t win em all. I like Phillip tho. Different strokes…

        • gouis

          It’s Cochran. Again.

          • corndogshuffle

            I was comparing him to Cochran earlier this season, but I like him much better because he made adjustments to his game and has made himself a real player after his start. Cochran didn’t do that until Caramoan. I think the fact that David has experienced both Cochran arcs in the same season makes him much more interesting, and a much better winner if he is able to pull that off.

          • the sky is falling

            He is the polar opposite of Paul, you ain’t gonna convince sharc

          • corndogshuffle

            Paul was also my dad’s favorite character for a while. That’s only because my dad’s name is Paul, though.

          • sharculese

            It wasn’t because Paul rules?

          • corndogshuffle

            Nah, he liked Paul before Paul said anything. It was purely because of the fact that they’re both named Paul.

          • sharculese

            Paul rules.

          • gouis

            WRONG

          • corndogshuffle

            My dad is pretty cool, I agree.

          • sharculese

            My dad is also named Paul. He is decidedly uncool.

          • the sky is falling

            Paul may have ruled but didn’t have the characteristics of a survivor winner. He was bossy and took a leadership position way too early.

          • sharculese

            But he rules.

          • gouis

            NOT

          • the sky is falling

            Haha, fair enough

          • the sky is falling

            I’m not gonna die on the hill for being pro-David or anti-Paul. We will never see either of them play again

          • corndogshuffle

            If David wins we could see him play again. Paul won’t come back though. *And good riddance*

          • the sky is falling

            I would be shocked if David played again, if not for his blind idol luck I don’t see him going far. I like him most in this cast, but wouldn’t put him in top 50 of fave survivor players ever

          • gouis

            I think there is a very god chance David plays again. What does top 50 have to do with it? Have you seen the returning player casts?

          • the sky is falling

            I just feel like David is too insecure too play twice

          • sharculese

            David is probably playing again.

          • the sky is falling

            I don’t think he would get a Cochran redemption return, I like him but he got lucky as fuck this time

          • gouis

            David is 10 times better than Cochran(e) 1.0

          • the sky is falling

            Yes

          • the sky is falling

            Haw many have played survivor? Over 400?

          • Streets_Ahead

            499 according to my excel skills.

          • sharculese

            Paul is busy fighting a wizard with his broadsword.

            (Seriously, my Paul fanfiction is coming.)

          • gouis

            Naw Paul is like the drunk ‘knight’ at the tavern that gives our real hero his sword in the beginning.

          • sharculese

            In my fanfiction he’s drunk the whole time. I asked John what kind of beer a dude from the Keys would drink, and then at a certain point he gets a magical cask of infinite rum.

            He still kicks fucking ass.

          • corndogshuffle

            I can’t wait.

            Bizarrely, I’m being serious.

          • the sky is falling

            Can Taylor be his wingman? Paul can regale him with tales about his Zz top cover band

          • sharculese

            No, Taylor is on the jury. He was not there soon enough to join in the Legend of Paulderosa.

          • sharculese

            Also Paul’s band does more than ZZ Top covers. Here is their video page, I have watched all of them: http://www.haywirekeywest.com/videos/

          • the sky is falling

            Wow, your fandom is legit

          • sharculese

            I watched all of them within a week of Redmond leaking the cast.

          • Hornacek

            Shouldn’t he be fighting a milk-carrying drone?

          • Alycia Swift

            I think David would be cast again. Actually, many players from this season could return:

            Zeke, David, Jay, Ken (if he’s voted in), Adam, Hannah, Michaela and Jessica are all possibilities (the latter partially b/c of how she was at challenges, partially b/c of how she left, partially because she improved strategically, partially b/c she was island hot and partially b/c they don’t have as big of a pool for returning females.) I’ve hear Mari or Michele but I don’t see either of them as coming back.

          • corndogshuffle

            Now that I’m not trying to get sharc worked up over Paul, I wouldn’t mind seeing just about anybody from this cast play again (including Paul). This won’t go down as a top ten season for me but I think this is a very likable cast.

          • Black Dynamite

            Jessica is becoming distractingly island hot. I wanted the camera to back to her, even at times when it was on Ken or Hannah.

          • corndogshuffle

            I’m glad that other people have been posting about Jessica being island hot.

          • sharculese

            It’s the Cochran who somehow writes for a worse show than original Cochran.

          • gouis

            Cochrane is Cochran’s Mexican non union equivalent.

          • the sky is falling

            What does Cochrane write for?

          • gouis

            THERE IS NO E!!!!

          • the sky is falling

            Haha, sorry man, I just did that to troll you, mission accomplished

          • the sky is falling

            I was sent here by Phillite

          • I respect it.

          • sharculese

            I DON’T KNOW HOW TO SPELL IT AND I’M NOT GOING TO LOOK IT UP.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I’m so glad you get as annoyed with this typo as I do.

          • sharculese

            The Millers, where Greg Garcia abandoned all of the weird charm of his previous shows and made a bland as fuck family sitcom that completely wasted the talents of Margot Martindale.

          • the sky is falling

            Yuck, that show looks awful

          • gouis

            Isn’t the Millers canceled? He now writes for the Kevin James show.

          • the sky is falling

            Not much better

          • sharculese

            The Millers was canceled; I didn’t know he had fallen even lower.

          • corndogshuffle

            Figures Cochran wrote that shitty joke about crossbows.

          • Violina23

            That show stole her from “The Americans”. Which is a great show.

          • sharculese

            To be fair, her character arc was coming to a natural end.

          • Violina23

            I always assumed Gabriel was written in to essentially take her place, and she would have continued to be the handler, but I don’t remember the first few seasons well enough

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I think Nina was proof that they’re willing to let a character stick around if they’re in love with the actor.

          • sharculese

            They stretched it out as long as they could, but at least they finally literally pulled the trigger.

          • Black Dynamite

            I believe you mean Beloved Character Actress, Margo Martindale.

          • Streets_Ahead

            He did, but that show got cancelled. He wrights for Kevin Can Wait now which might actually be worse.

          • Hornacek

            KCW is a terrible show, but it’s a hit. I wish Cochran was writing for a better show, but I’m glad he’s part of a hit show that seems to have a future.

          • Most things waste the talents of Margot Martindale.

          • andythesaint

            I will judge what shows Cochran and David write for on the site that I spend my time writing and speaking for about 60 people while making no money whatsoever!

            That is, when I’m not busy getting paid to write the most boring-ass marketing copy for the most boring-ass product in a boring-ass industry.

      • Hornacek

        FIGHT ME!

    • Paging @disqus_3Sm0bOf1sj:disqus

      • Black Dynamite

        I ranked final sixes a few months ago but I don’t remember who I had on top.

        • I don’t either. Why don’t you keep word documents of that stuff?

          • Black Dynamite

            I do, but only for planned rankings. Impromptu ones I just write here.

          • Boo! Disqus eats that shit up!!!

          • Black Dynamite

            I went all the way back in my history and found this

            Best Final Sixes
            1. Cagayan (Tony, Woo, Kass, Spencer, Trish and Tasha)
            2. China (Todd, Courtney, Amanda, Denise, Peih-Gee and Erik)
            3. Cambodia (Jeremy, Tasha, Spencer, Kelley, Keith and Kimmi)
            4. Tocantins (JT, Stephen, Erinn, Taj, Coach and Debbie)
            5. Palau (Tom, Katie, Ian, Jenn, Caryn and Gregg)
            6. Mirconesia (Parvati, Amanda, Cirie, Natalie, Erik and Alexis)

          • I haven’t seen Palau, but I can definitely get behind most of that (although I can’t get behind the lack of Oxford comma). I can’t believe I forgot Tocantins.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Liked for despairing the lack of the Oxford comma.

          • Hornacek

            Who gives a fuck about an Oxford comma?

          • That’s right, you didn’t have HvV in your top 6. Bad form, dude.

          • Black Dynamite

            I had them 7. Blame Rupert.

          • I’ll rarely defend Rupert, but post-merge HvV Rupert isn’t too bad. He manages to make a “fake idol” out of string and votes for Sandra in the end, without being horrifically offensive.

          • sharculese

            Was it string? I thought he literally just stuffed a rock in his pocket.

          • Who said string? I definitely didn’t edit my comment after you reminded me that it was a rock.

          • No, I blame you.

          • Black Dynamite

            Make your own list.

          • I can’t . I haven’t seen all of the seasons.

          • Black Dynamite

            Watch Palau, BJ!!

          • corndogshuffle

            What are you missing?

          • Black Dynamite

            She’s missing Palau, among other seasons.

          • corndogshuffle

            She needs to fix the Palau thing, ASAP.

          • Oh dear….Another Page for the Honorable @disqus_3Sm0bOf1sj:disqus since I think he has secretly been keeping track.

          • corndogshuffle

            Oh I thought @disqus_3Sm0bOf1sj:disqus answered me because he had already mentioned Palau in this thread. I didn’t realize he was keeping track for you! How noble and honorably. Ken would be proud.

          • I don’t know if he has or not, but he definitely knows that I need to watch Palau.

          • corndogshuffle

            Top three season for me. For as much as that’s worth.

          • What are the two seasons that beat it?

          • corndogshuffle

            I’ll post five for good measure

            1. Tocantins
            2. Cagayan
            3. Palau
            4. China
            5. Philippines

            I’m not a huge fan of “all-star” type seasons (though I don’t hate it), some people worry that I don’t have HvV so high and that’s why. Middle era is also my favorite Survivor.

            Let me know how crazy you think I am!

          • No Cambodia, so you’re good there. I have only seen 2 and a half of these seasons, but I love China and Philippines (which is my personal second favorite season).

          • corndogshuffle

            China was the season that really made me fall in love with Survivor. I started with Worlds Apart, thought it was interesting enough to keep watching other seasons. I went to Australia next, which was fine but I was expecting more. China was the third season I saw, and I loved it all.

            As for Palau, it might take my #1 spot when I rewatch it. I’ve recently rewatched Tocantins/Cagayan, but only seen Palau once. It is a fantastic season.

          • I have honestly struggled with Cagayan. I always falter during the Beauty Pagonging.

          • Black Dynamite

            I only know of Palau and Micronesia, which are egregious enough.

          • Black Dynamite

            Bad form? That’s the comment I get after I searched through all of my history to dig this up. Ain’t that some shit!!

          • You know that I tease with love, right?

          • Black Dynamite

            I know. I’m being jokingly antagonistic.

          • Okay, I didn’t want to get into a fight with you.

          • Black Dynamite

            Another old goodie of mine. This has nothing to do with this season but it might be my favorite fantasy casting of all time.

            I had an idea to fantasy cast a Heroes vs Villains 2 season with the following criteria:
            1. No one from the original HvV season.
            2. No more than 4 previous winners.
            3. No more than 2 players from the same season.
            I had trouble putting 10 players on the Villains side as a lot of players I wanted back didn’t fit in as a villain for me. Aligning with other villains, voting out alliance members and throwing challenges even if it’s the smart play and just wanting to see certain players on the same tribe are things that can get you cast on my villains tribe. So here are the 20 players in my HvV 2. Thanks to everyone that gave suggestions.
            Heroes Tribe
            Kim (Winner, One World)
            Earl (Winner, Fiji)
            K. Wentworth (San Juan Del Sur/Cambodia)
            Malcolm (Philippines/Caramoan)
            Becky (Cook Islands)
            Jaison (Samoa)
            Taj (Tocantins)
            Hayden (Blood vs Water)
            Cydney (Kaoh Rong)
            Tai (Kaoh Rong)
            Villains Tribe
            Sophie (Winner, South Pacific)
            Natalie A. (Winner, San Juan Del Sur)
            Shane (Panama)
            Burton (Pearl Islands)
            Peih-Gee (China/Cambodia)
            Pete (Philippines)
            Nat Bolton (Micronesia)
            Reynold (Caramoan)
            Trish (Cagayan)
            Judd (Guatemala)

          • I actually discovered that the other day or actually earlier today. Blame finals for my procrastination.

          • Prom King

            I am super happy that your criteria placed Sophie and Natalie A. on the Villains Tribe! Two favorites, both with great, villainous gameplay.

            And also Burton, glad you included him. Pearl Islands was an embarrassment of riches with two hilariously arrogant douchebags, one per tribe, and each gets a great arc. Well Burton actually gets two thanks to outcast.

    • gouis

      It’s incredible. I can’t think of a recent season where I would be legitimately happy if a majority of the finalists win.

      • Purplerockmatt

        Hey you can’t say this, because I agree! We aren’t supposed to agree!

        • gouis

          We can, but only sometimes. When it is fact.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Man, fuck Andy.

          • andythesaint

            Fuck that guy.

      • Ken is the only person whom I really don’t want to see win. Bret hasn’t done much, but he’s likable enough that I could tolerate him winning. Hannah is really entertaining (and is definitely playing the game), and David, Jay, and Adam have all played pretty strong games. (I’m willing to defend Adam’s game, even if it hasn’t been as good as David’s or Jay’s.)

        • gouis

          I would be 100% fine with Ken winning. It would be great hilarity.

          • Alycia Swift

            Me 2.

          • Violina23

            I can only imagine Jeff’s dilemma if Ken won — he’s a handsome “guy’s guy” who doesn’t make “big moves” (TM)

          • gouis

            Ken is kind of a weirdo, Jeff doesn’t seem to gravitate towards him at all.

            Which is why I find the Savage comparisons baffling. Ken is like Bizarro Savage.

          • Alycia Swift

            He did gravitate to Cochran but Cochran may have pushed that to a point that Jeff could no longer resist.

            I do not see the Savage comparisons myself. Savage was always nasty to people he did not think were worthy.

          • Cochran is a male superfan, which works well for Probst’s ego.

          • Maybe he will get his chance soon.

        • Purplerockmatt

          Adam’s game has really rebounded recently

          • Except for his treatment of Jay, which I can see as a downfall coming for Adam.

          • sharculese

            Jay pulled his buff over his head to hide his tears when Adam started talking about his mom, and I don’t think he was faking it. I think Jay’s empathy is as much a downfall as it is a strength.

          • Oh yeah, absolutely. That empathy is really creating a blind spot against Adam for some reason.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I think Jay thinks he has enough jury votes on lock (Michelle, Taylor, Will) that he can afford to Kim Spradlin and get even more credit from the jury for not goat-herding.

          • I think jay also has Sunday’s vote on lock now.

          • sharculese

            This thing is, it cuts both ways. Strength/downfall. Because Adam really should be figuring out what to do about Jay instead of cuddling up to him and spilling all his anxieties.

          • Oh yeah, Adam has a massive blindspot towards the cool kids.

          • sharculese

            See that’s the thing. I don’t think it’s all blindspot on Adam’s side at all.

            There’s two basic reactions to what Adam is telling Jay, both start the same, which is “oh man, I can’t believe this dude is spilling to me about how his mom is dying.” The split becomes between “how can I use this?” and “how can I tell him everything is gonna be okay?”

            I know I’d be about 70/30 in favor of the former. I’d feel for the dude, but I’d rationalize that I could play the game now and hold his hand afterwards.

            Jay’s body language was not that. Jay looked genuinely pained at the idea of what Adam is going through, and I’d peg him at more of an 80/20 in the other direction. Playing against someone who is going through something like that looked genuinely hard for him.

            It’s so weird to believe based on what we guessed about him pre-season, but I think Jay is just an actually decent guy who really cares about people.

          • That’s a great point. I wonder if that is a connection that he has with Hannah as well.

          • Alycia Swift

            I might be totally obnoxious but when that happened and Jay said his mother had aneurysms, I was wondering if anyone had a healthy parent on this show this season.

          • gouis

            I think he’s the favorite at this point. David had no hand in saving himself these past two votes.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I actually disagree about this vote, if David didn’t build those bonds with hannah he would have gone home. Adam didn’t save him here, David saved himself with a social game.

          • Agreed. Hannah had a logical reason for wanting to take Sunday out, but David is objectively a bigger threat to her chance of winning. David did a great job of pulling Hannah in and is being rewarded for that.

          • Mike Hirsch

            I feel like Hannah would rather lose against David than let Sunday lose against David. Which, fair enough!

          • Purplerockmatt

            big difference in prize money!

          • I’m curious as to how much the prize money factors into players’ decisions. For obvious reasons, we only hear about the million dollars, but there have to be some people who at least keep it in the backs of their minds that second is a lot better than fourth.

          • Purplerockmatt

            agreed, this is why you have people embrace that goat role

          • Alycia Swift

            Years ago (like during Australia), there was an article discussing the prize money. I don’t know if its changed but Runner up was $100,000. Third was $85,000. If it is a tie (since they have a final 3) for second place, the money is added and split. Then it goes down a bit. I remember reading fourth was $50,000 but that seems to be too big of a jump. The first person out got like $3,760 or something like that.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I am pretty sure 3rd has dropped since then, I think it might only be 50k

          • Alycia Swift

            And I vaguely remember reading everyone gets $10,000 for the appearance at the finale.

          • Streets_Ahead

            The exact money for placements depends on the size of the cast.

            http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/76670

          • Streets_Ahead

            They think about. They especially thought about in All-Star Survivor.

          • gouis

            But we barely saw that. What we saw was Adam deciding not to do it.

          • Purplerockmatt

            disagree. We saw Hannah push back hard against adam’s reasoning. Adam kept talking about wanting to go at David and was saying stuff like we need to get a threat out, and Hannah was like no we should Sunday.

          • gouis

            FIGHT TO THE DEATH!!

          • Purplerockmatt

            just like an Adam

          • corndogshuffle

            Easy, Woo.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I thought gouis was caucasian.

          • gouis

            Said who?

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Said Woo.

          • corndogshuffle

            Soo… Wouis?

          • Alycia Swift

            And she would have had Ken on her side.

          • Alycia Swift

            And Ken seems to be willing to save David if he can as well so he was not going to argue with anything that would save David. I do wonder how Hannah did convince Adam.

          • the sky is falling

            I don’t think anyone would have predicted that Davis would be considered the greatest threat to win after the first episode when he was scared by the sound of bamboo chopping

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I dropped him like a hot rock from my Pick-4 team after Episode 1 and I know I’m not the only one.

          • Alycia Swift

            Me 2. I regret it. But I have him in the Outcast league. (It was between him and Michaela to be dropped for Jessica).

          • andythesaint

            David’s BEEN saving himself with a social game. Hannah flipped from the majority to a rock draw to save his ass.

          • Adam is also in a pretty good spot right now, despite having not managed to remove either Jay or David. It’s pretty much a guarantee that those two will continue to target each other until one of them is gone, meaning Adam is probably safe until that point.

        • gouis

          Further, Ken winning would piss off RobC so much I would love to listen to it.

          • But that means more Ken impressions during TEOS Volume 4.

          • gouis

            His Ken impression is terrible. It’s like his Jonas combined with a Will impression.

          • I will take it, especially if they happen during Cambodia.

          • Alycia Swift

            Combined with his Dave Johnson.

          • gouis

            I forgot about his “Bangarang” Dave impression. It’s totally that combined with his Jonas.

            Rob is great at impressions! But his hatred of Ken has created a bad impression.

          • Alycia Swift

            Like I said, a guy who is jealous. Probably reminds him of his time on Amazon or someone in his past. And I normally like most of what Rob does.

          • Diego Armando

            Rob definitely had some issues on Amazon he was working through. He had several bitter speeches regarding Dave and how girls like Heidi and Jenna would not give him the time of day.

          • Alycia Swift

            Yet, his wife is gorgeous. And would Rob give girls that were not like Jenna and Heidi but more like Hannah and Aubrey or Sophie (all of whom I personally think are gorgeous), the time of day?

          • Black Dynamite

            Co sign on those women being gorgeous. Also, awesome too.

          • Alycia Swift

            And I do mean at that time in his life. And I’d add Shirin to the list.

          • sharculese

            Rob C. was like 22 when Amazon happened. He was dumb in a lot ways, and has admitted it was pumped by starting on a tribe of all men.

            I’m not saying he’s a sterling feminist, he’s clearly not, but how he behaved on that season doesn’t have to define him. To his credit, there was a lot of stuff during Words Apart where he was like “I don’t understand the problems, but I wish I did,” and he convened a special panel to talk about those problems.

          • I generally try not to judge people to harshly for the stuff they do before their mid-20s. As long as it’s not something actively evil or harmful to others, I tend to apply the “everyone is an idiot in their youth” rule.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            As I’ve been saying all season, if you can do a Johnny Drama impression you’re 90% of the way to a Ken impression.

          • sharculese

            Yeah, but it would empower Colin Stone, so that would be terrible too.

          • Shit, I forgot about that.

          • Alycia Swift

            While he did not post this week, he has dropped his declaration that Ken 100% wins. The last I remember, it was about 60% and that was before Ken’s screwup last week.

          • So, he’s like Nate Silver now?

          • Alycia Swift

            I don’t know who that is.

          • Alycia Swift

            Now I recognize the name. Brain fart.

          • TOO SOON

          • I knew that was coming, but it was worth it and even then he was cautiously optimistic about Hillary’s win.

          • I was also obsessed with FiveThirtyEight leading up to the election (I checked it at least once an hour), so it’s kind of my own problem.

          • I checked it twice a day towards the election, but even I was cautiously optimistic because I knew the people in my area.

          • sharculese

            Does Nate Silver work off of what nature photography the press chooses?

          • Wouldn’t that be great if he did?

          • Yes, he’s like Nate Silver in that he was correct *last time*.

          • gouis

            Here’s a solution, don’t pay attention to those dummies.

          • sharculese

            But I like Dom!

          • Alycia Swift

            While I laughed at the podcast with Mike Bloom and Rob’s impression can be funny, it is overused … and it is definitely one from a guy who is jealous. (Probably reminds him of Dave Johnson).

          • Hornacek

            Apparently

        • Kent McK

          Ken is basically a really ridiculously good looking, less self aware version of Coach 1.0, but he is so attractive that he has everyone under a trance, so instead of people mocking him behind his back they are battling each other for his approval.

          • gouis

            How dare you.

          • Kent McK

            Hey I like Ken. I just think we are seeing the power of the edit this season. I feel like the editors could make Ken look so crazy if they wanted to, I mean I think they are aggressively shielding him and he still comes off as a pretty ridiculous person. By the way I do think Ken wins and I am going to be happy about it. Unless he beats David in the finals, then I reserve the right to bitch about the jury.

          • I agree that Coach and Ken both have that ridiculous “honor and integrity” approach to the game, but Coach 1.0 was so over-the-top ridiculous that he really contributed to the season. Ken is kind of just… there (which, for many viewers, is sufficient to justify his inclusion on the show).

          • DrVanNostrand

            Coach is a ridiculous cartoon character. Ken is a ridiculous human being. That’s the difference.

          • sharculese

            The thing is, I think the fact taht Ken is going to look at the bullshit character Survivor paints him as and be turned off rather than turned on speaks to his favor.

          • Diego Armando

            I was thinking the other day that Ken is Coach without all the Coach bullshit.

          • Alycia Swift

            Did we ever see Coach of any version actually contributing to camp life (cooking, actually catching fish, stuff like that)? I always disliked all versions of Coach because he did tear people down — especially women — and used religion as a weapon in the last season and he was full of bullshit about his adventures.

          • Black Dynamite

            We did get to see Coach fucking up camp life with his inability to cook beans.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Ken doesn’t have either Coach’s self-aggrandizement or his desperate need for respect. I completely buy that Ken doesn’t care what anybody thinks of him (which is related to the Jon Hamm in 30 Rock syndrome) and was perfectly happy living off the grid.

        • I came to this realization on Twitter earlier tonight, but Ken is totally Tai at this juncture…super super positive edit (despite rough premiere), but extremely rough, rough merge even with having an advantage.

    • Kent McK

      I think this is the best final 6 ever. I wouldn’t be upset if any one of them won next week.

      • Alycia Swift

        Well Bret would be a disappointment since he has not actually made a real move or done anything but make cracks and get drunk.

        • Hornacek

          He even acknowledged in this episode that there was yet another tribal where things didn’t go his way.

      • Character-wise, I think there are a couple stronger (HvV, Cagayan). But strategy-wise, I can’t argue much.

        • Of the seasons I’ve seen, China, HvV, and Cagayan are the only ones I’d definitely put above this.

          • I actually would put China below this one because of the inclusion of Erik.

          • gouis

            He made final 6? Woof.

          • Oh yeah. I always think of China having such a great cast, but I forgot/didn’t think about that James finished 7th. There was nothing wrong with Erik, but I agree he’s nothing special.

          • sharculese

            Erik is blandly likable, which is the opposite of what makes China great. The fact that you din’t remember how far he went says everything.

          • He seems like a nice dude.

          • corndogshuffle

            He’s a neat lady, so to speak.

        • Kent McK

          Those are my two favorite seasons, so I am not going to argue with you.

      • sharculese

        I am going to just quote the words of a genius at you:

        Cagayan has a stellar final six in Tasha, Trish, Spencer, Kass, Woo, and Tony. It might be the best final six of all time.

        • Kent McK

          It is hard to argue with any final 6 that has Tony in it, but I think Tasha, Trish, and Woo would all have been worse winners than any of the final six in this season.

          • I actually slightly disagree with Trish because she had the impetus for two season changing moves: voting out Cliff and getting Kass to flip.

          • Alycia Swift

            And its been widely acknowledged by others on the season that Trish cleaned up Tony’s messes.

          • Hornacek

            But Trish didn’t get Kass to flip! At least, according to Kass in all her post-game interviews.

          • But she definitely helped to get her there by ensuring that she would get to pick who got sent home.

          • Hornacek

            If you listen to Kass she decided all of that on her own, Trish wasn’t a factor.

          • Yeah, but coming from a fellow troll, never trust a troll’s words.

          • sharculese

            If you listen to Kass she will tell you a lot of bullshit that makes her sound good. I love Kass, but the woman gets high on her own supply.

          • Hornacek

            I find it hard to believe that someone who would give themselves a nickname and then repeatedly call themselves by that nickname until everyone else starts using it could be high on their own supply.

          • Max_Jets

            Disagree. Trish would have been a great winner, better than most of this final 6. She had some of the best moves of the season. Tasha was a pretty good underdog in Cagayan. Woo would have been a better winner than Ken if not for the move that lost him the game.

        • Did you write this earlier?

          • sharculese

            It’s from the Most Useless entry on Cagayan.

          • Gotcha…and I totally reread that article a couple of days ago.

    • Mike Hirsch

      Pretty solid final 6. I mean, I could quibble, but even the lightest-sketched of the remaining (Bret) has had moments where he has immediately slithered out of being on the losing end of an alliance, which makes him an enjoyable presence heading into the finale. And David, Jay, and Adam all have a strong shot to win. And Ken is pretty!

    • jersey_luck

      There have been better. Ken as character gets enjoyment based on how pretty he is, David is kind of boring, and while I like Bret he is only really okay.

      • Kingoftonga

        Bret is the weak link here, character-wise. I don’t know if he’s any good at strategy because we hardly ever seen him doing anything. David seems to have cooled on his schtick ever since Zeke and Bret called him on it, which is probably better for his game but it makes him a less dynamic character as a result.

        • jersey_luck

          Too fair I think my problems with David are that he should be the villain of the season but he isn’t one. Which kind of tells he is going to win this season.

          • Kingoftonga

            I would actually love a season with a villainous nerd winner’s edit, although I think the Tony Vlachos the chaotic villain is probably the farthest they’ll ever go in making a winner look bad. And I like the thought of Ken as the Darth Vader to David’s Emperor Palpatine.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            That was kind of Tyson, don’t you think?

          • Sadie

            I think David the player could be a villain but his personality hinders it.

        • Alycia Swift

          Bret’s strategy is to immediately kiss up to the person who just made the move – who is in power. His strategy is also to act like the drunk uncle. And not be too much of a challenge threat. It has worked so far.

    • Ms_Woozah

      I don’t know about historically, but I see 3 feasible winners from this 6, which is always fun going in.

  • the sky is falling

    Next season starts March 8, two weeks later than normal. boo!

    • I think that either means two things:
      1) They are really hyping up that Hunted show
      2) They are not excited about Season 34.

      • Alycia Swift

        Anyone going to watch the Hunted show?

        • Nah.

        • jersey_luck

          Is anyone going to watch the Survivor episode of Life in Pieces?

          • sharculese

            Fuck no I’m not watching a CBS sitcom.

          • Violina23

            We’re looking at getting rid of Cable and Survivor is literally the only thing on CBS I watch. I kinda half-watch Big Bang Theory when I do laundry, but it stopped being funny after season 3 when they ran out of nerd jokes.

          • sharculese

            I’m gonna dive deep for a minute. I’ve lived with enough people who are into Big Bang Theory to recognize that it’s a well made sitcom. The staff understands comedic timing and how to set up a shot, and the cast are all talented. It’s not something I’m going to seek out, but I can sit through it knowing I’ll chuckle a few times.

          • Violina23

            I was a fan in the beginning, before it got crazy popular.

            I find it suffers from what I call “House” Syndrome — a show which hat a genuinely interesting “quirky” genius type, but as the seasons went on, they had to keep out-quirking the quirky guy to the point where the character is just plan unlikable and unrelatable.

            I still check in on the show from time to time, but it’s so relationship-y and entire episodes go by and I don’t laugh at all. The big exception was the Sheldon/Amy sex episode that they juxtaposed with everyone’s anticipation of the new Star Wars movie. That was the most the show had made me laugh in YEARS.

          • I think I saw the first season, and it was perfectly cromulent.

          • Hornacek

            You’ve embiggened this discussion with that statement.

          • andythesaint

            BBT is a professionally made endeavour. I watched it a bit and no longer sneer at it. It’s not quite good enough to be worth my time (because there’s other shows demanding of it), but it’s solid setup and punchline craftsmanship. If you’re stuck in a hotel or waiting room and it’s on, it’ll pass the time.

          • Streets_Ahead

            BBT isn’t good per say but there is a lot of stuff on TV that is actually worse just no one talks about it because it hasn’t been on 10(?) seasons.

          • Ms_Woozah

            I’ve just always been bitter towards it for when it went against Community and crushed it in the ratings.

          • MsFjordstone

            The dream lives on! #sixseasonsandamovie

          • sharculese

            Some people just want to have television be a thing that entertains them. Those people keep Survivor on the air. I don’t turn my nose up at them.

          • andythesaint

            BBT also got better once they developed three female characters and made them main cast members.

          • sharculese

            This is also true. It’s a solidly middling show, but it gets points for bothering to have three female characters with depth and a sense of agency.

      • I wouldn’t read too much into it. A lot of people said that Kaoh Rong was delayed because they weren’t excited about it, but that wound up being a very strong season. Plus, 34 is an all-star season, so even if it’s not great, they have to be somewhat excited.

        • But CBS and Probst do not like the season (as we discussed a few months ago) because of the medevacs and hard conditions.

          • I didn’t realize that. I’m still going to try to be optimistic about 34.

          • Prom King

            And because of the winner.

      • andythesaint

        It’s about Hunted. They wouldn’t delay a season by a couple of weeks due to lack of enthusiasm. That doesn’t really accomplish anything.

        And if Hunted Pirate Masters all over the place, they can bump Survivor back up.

      • Someone fill me in on what Hunted is, as a person in a location that does not get to see the hype for these shows?

        And also as a person who watched an entire season of Capture. And an entire season of The Quest. And an entire season of Whodunnit.

        • Ms_Woozah

          The Quest was absolutely ridiculous but I kind of loved it a lot.

        • andythesaint

          Hunted is a new show that has a bunch of pairs of Americans try to evade being captured by professional law enforcement while being on the lam within a certain radius within a state. The hunters use technology, video surveillance, social media, etc to find them. If they can stay uncaught for a set period of time, they get money.

          https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2016/12/cbs-hunted-trailer/

          • Hornacek

            This sounds a lot like The Running Man (the book more than the movie). Hopefully it doesn’t end like the book where the protagonist deliberately flies a jetplane into a skyscraper to blow up the evil TV company’s headquarters.

          • Alycia Swift

            That absolutely should be the way every reality tv show ends except Survivor.

    • Violina23

      Same number of episodes though?

      • Yes, from what I have heard.

        • Violina23

          As long as they don’t cut the episodes down, I’m not jumping to any conclusions about quality of the season.

          • Alycia Swift

            I think its just because that Hunted show is longer.

            Now the question is, is there going to be anything here during the break? A rewatch? Music discussions?

          • andythesaint

            There will be something. We’ve started to make plans.

            The big obstacle, as always, is that NOT doing work is always more appealing than doing work.

    • DrVanNostrand

      And GoT is delayed for months! There goes my birthday present.

      • Violina23

        Gives me more time to catch up (I’m up to season 5 😉

  • gouis

    @purplerockmatt:disqus you’re like the Jay to my Adam.

    • Purplerockmatt

      Awww and you are the Adam to my Jay which is to see we have this weird connection and yet…

    • Who’s the Purple Rock Ken?

      • Purplerockmatt

        that is cute that you think we have a Ken

        • I was trying to be nice. But considering the fact that people keep trying to burn me for some reason around here…

      • gouis

        Who is the most honor bound?

        • If you mean “honour”, totally Andy.

          • gouis

            Since he’s not here yet, I’m just going to make an executive decision that Andy is Ken.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Andy is not Ken! don’t give him a swelled head!

          • gouis

            Yeah Andy is more of a Paul

          • Purplerockmatt

            exactly

          • sharculese

            Andy doesn’t drink. Nobody who doesn’t drink can be a Paul.

          • Violina23

            So does that make Andy Will?

          • gouis

            Since he’s not here, YUP

          • gouis

            John can be Michaela

          • That’s… the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me.

          • gouis

            I knew you would love it, and did it to make Andy feel even worse about being Paul.

          • Now you’re my favorite.

            Wait, second favorite; Sad Lil exists.

          • Purplerockmatt

            you would like Adam more than Jay

          • Jay is great on TV, but he’s also Floridian. So that means he’s terrible in real life. Come on, you should know this.

          • sharculese

            I met a girl this week who is exactly the kind of trainwreck I’m into, and, in describing her to my brother’s girlfriend, I may have used the phrase “I’m waiting to find out she’s from Florida.”

          • Sad Lil

            Hooray!

            Lil rules, goois drools!

          • You will never not get an upvote from me, Sad Lil. <3

          • Wait, does that mean that Emma is actually Sunday (did she drink?).

          • gouis

            No Emma is still David.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            When was I ever David? I’m not disagreeing, but did you have a meeting that I wasn’t invited to?

            Edit: Never mind, I scrolled down.

          • She is super white and also doesn’t drink…

          • Purple Rock Emma

            If it’s just because of the drinking thing, I also don’t drink. And I’m the youngest. WAIT DON’T MAKE ME THE WILL FORGET I SAID ANYTHING.

          • Alycia Swift

            Little Christopher is Ken cause he’s so cute.

          • Purplerockmatt

            there it is

          • gouis

            LESS KIDS ON PODCATS! THIS IS FOR ADULTS

          • Especially in his Iron Man suit.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Which of you is simultaneously the prettiest, and the most boring? Once you have that awkward debate, you’ll have the answer.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I am the prettiest because I am a lady. Mark is the most boring because he’s always working instead of chatting on slack.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Ken is definitely prettier than most ladies. It’s not automatic.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Of course, but this is about comparing me to the other PRP staff.

          • There is no debate that’s too awkward for our Slack chats, trust me.

          • andythesaint

            Phrasing.

          • You realize that when we did this in staff chat, Andy made himself Ken, right? Because of course he did.

          • Black Dynamite

            Well, I was referred to Ken by commentators that weren’t myself. So it’s my title now.

          • andythesaint

            Wait I did?

            Oh yeah, I totally did. Classic Andy.

          • andythesaint

            I’ll take it.

          • gouis

            TOO LATE PAUL

      • gouis

        Maybe it’s @disqus_3Sm0bOf1sj:disqus. They both have a connection with Hannah and seem to be stand up dudes.

        • I like that a lot. Can we just do a Purple Rock discussion casting of the final 6?

          • gouis

            Only if Matt and I are allowed to be Jay and Adam.

          • That’s fine.

          • gouis

            OK LET’S GO.

            We still got Hannah, Bret, and David left.

          • Hmmm…I have already given up.

          • gouis

            Emma can be David due to number of neuroses.

          • That’s fine. I was thinking SNP for Bret anyway.

          • gouis

            Does he like to get TURNT?

            Are you Hannah for being the gossip queen?

          • I was just thinking that sometimes he pops out of the open with a weird comment (#CaucasianWoo).

            And, I was waiting for someone to call me Hannah.

          • We are all Hannah.

          • Violina23

            Yes. We are all Hannah.

          • Alycia Swift

            So say we all.

          • Black Dynamite

            I second the claim of you being the Purple Rock Hannah. That’s a badge of honor. The rise of Barbara Anderson continues…

          • I feel like you are trying to make this a self-fulfilling prophecy now.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I’m a big guy that does tend to drink too much. Plus: GO SOX!

          • Hey, that works. You would be someone who would fit in nicely with Rodney.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I SUFFERED THAT SEASON!!!

          • You left yourself open for that one.

          • the sky is falling

            Y’all don’t know me, but I may like David, cause I am totally a David. like a less confident , less athletic, David

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Also I was a screenwriting major in college. (I detest Family Guy though)

            That said, those two traits could also easily make me the Hannah.

          • Streets_Ahead

            David also wrote for Malcolm in the Middle though. Let’s not forget Cochran’s writing credits. The weakest of any Survivor TV writers (yes all 3).

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Rafe is clearly the best. But while Cochran was able to use Survivor to vault past the assistant stage, he’s definitely still in the “take what you can get” in terms of shows stage.

          • In fairness, David may also detest Family Guy. But he probably likes paychecks.

          • sharculese

            He’s the head writer on a lot of episodes. He steers the direction of the show.

          • I’m just saying I understand doing the best job you can for a great paycheck even if it isn’t your ideal position. It’s not like he can completely change the tone of the show and characters. There are executive producers to appease and ratings to maintain.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            That’s not really how writers’ rooms work. The show runner steers the direction of the show.
            David has a few written by credits, but he’s listed as a story editor, which is only the second rung on the totem pole. He also hasn’t worked for Family Guy since 2014, as far as I can tell, but I suppose that’s neither here nor there.

          • With that kind of can’t-do attitude, you could be a Purple Rock staffer!

          • Oh boy! I can do nothing that you want me to do.

        • Black Dynamite

          This is one of nicest things anyone has ever said about me. I’ll proudly claim that title.

        • DrVanNostrand

          Black Dynamite is way too interesting to be Ken.

          • Black Dynamite

            Realistically, I’m more of a Hannah. But either way I get to be the weirdo hottie. So I’ll take either one.

          • Really, you’re more of a Hannah?

          • Black Dynamite

            Than I am a Ken, yeah. But not as much of a Hannah as you.

          • We can probably determine this if we ever meet.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Nice! A Hannah-off! They can tie your wrists together with a buff.

    • Hornacek

      So who is the yin and who is the yang?

  • Maritimer

    So, how much should be read into the fact that three players were mentioned in the Next time on… segment and three were not?

    • Who were the three?

      • Maritimer

        David (fake idol), Adam, Ken (Legacy Advantage)

        • Oh yeah….wow, Jay didn’t even get mentioned.

          • Maritimer

            That’s the one that really threw me, since many of us have him as our #2 contender

          • Purplerockmatt

            I thought he did get mentioned, or said something to the camera

          • Maritimer

            I’d have to watch again, but I thought those three got “scenes”, then the list of 6 at the end

          • Purplerockmatt

            I thought he said something about having to win

          • Let me see what that one website says…

          • Maritimer

            Possible he did but I missed it

          • We definitely got Ken opening the legacy advantage (what a bust, right?) and David making an idol.

          • Alycia Swift

            No idea b/c we did not see what the note said yet.

          • the sky is falling

            Legacy advantage is nearly as useless as Medallion of power

        • Alycia Swift

          That would be a weird final 3. Ken did say he would not write Adam’s name down.

          • No, I thought he said that he would never write down David’s name.

          • Alycia Swift

            I think both. When he tried to woo Adam from voting with Taylor and Figgy, he told Adam he would not write his name down and would fight for him.

          • Holy shit, I forgot about that.

    • Alycia Swift

      Remind me of who was mentioned and who was not?

      • Maritimer

        see below!

    • DrVanNostrand

      I hate ‘next time on’ so much that I often skip the vote montage, even though I actually want to watch the vote montage.

  • Alycia Swift

    I think Matt’s assessment of the final 3 is right. I’d say David wins but Ken does get a vote or two (my guess Jessica and maybe Taylor b/c of the surfer bro thing).

    • Kent McK

      After listening to Rob’s voice mail podcast with Mike Bloom last week I am more convinced than ever that Ken is winning. If Ken didn’t win then we would have heard all about Sir Squidington on the show and Ken would be getting a ridiculous Coach-esque edit.

      • gouis

        Wait what is Sir Squidington

        • Purplerockmatt

          seriously what is Sir Squidington?

          • Alycia Swift

            In one of the secret scenes, Ken describes a meal with many different kinds of fish and the squid that gave its life for the tribe to eat, which Ken himself called Sir Squidington.

          • gouis

            Ken is wonderful.

          • Alycia Swift

            I thought it was cute b/c its the type of thing someone that has kids does – I think. I’ve seen it a lot. I have none myself but have lots of nieces and nephews.

          • corndogshuffle

            So… he actually is more interesting than just being pretty?

          • gouis

            Ken is extremely interesting. He’s the best male model the show has ever had by leaps and bounds.

          • Purplerockmatt

            once again we agree about something

          • gouis

            Is it because both of our moms are dying?

          • Purplerockmatt

            god i hope not

          • corndogshuffle

            That’s… true.

          • Hornacek

            Now we need a @SadJeremiah account.

          • Alycia Swift

            Or sad Jay Byers.

          • Alycia Swift

            Yes. Not strategy wise though. He’s more like an old-school player. But way more interesting than others of his type that have been on the show.

          • DrVanNostrand

            He’s interesting if you think being a sanctimonious hippie is interesting.

          • corndogshuffle

            I’ve been convinced this entire season that if Ken looked like David but was otherwise the same, nobody would take any notice of him at all. Which isn’t to say I don’t like him or that he shouldn’t use the tools at his disposal. He seems like a perfectly decent human. I just don’t think he’s interesting at all.

          • DrVanNostrand

            As an ultra-liberal stoner, I’m way too familiar with the ‘Ken type’. I get involved in a conversation with one of them, and 2 minutes in, I’m like a fox in one of those metal traps trying to gnaw my own foot off to get away.

            (Edit: And just like those randos I’ve met, he’s a decent guy that I just can’t stand to be around.)

          • corndogshuffle

            As the ultra moderate who doesn’t care about reefer as long as I’m not the one using it, I completely understand and love this example.

          • Ms_Woozah

            that’s incredible

        • Ken’s meal/Rob’s new kids toy

        • Kent McK

          The star of the best Ken confessional ever. It is from a secret scene with Ken talking about preparing dinner, Sir Squidington was the main course. It is as ridiculously awesome as it sounds.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Taylor doesn’t know yet, but he has even more in common with Ken than he might think.

  • Hornacek

    Random thoughts:

    They used the full credits. I guess this double-boot episode won’t be so chock full of content that they have to use the short credits.

    An immunity challenge right away? Jay may not have a chance to use his new advantage for the rest of the season.

    David was surprisingly good at this challenge. Well, the first 2/3s of it.

    Jay on David: “He can’t win a challenge.” Well, except for the immunity challenge he already won.

    Will: “To be able to experience this is the most amazing thing that has ever happened to me so far in my life.” I’m 100% sure that’s true.

    David seems to get a lot of the sound clips when they walk in and first see the challenge.

    MIALILLENNS

    It’s apt that someone who loves the English language so much would misspell “Millennials”.

    Adam and Jay is the relationship I didn’t know I needed in this game.

    Sunday speaks!

    Sunday is voted out. Will and Jessica celebrate.

    • Kingoftonga

      Note that Ken voted for “Sun.” as if he was so self-conscious about the MIALILLENNS that he was making extra sure to only write down words he couldn’t possibly misspell.

      • Hornacek

        Didn’t David vote for “Sun.”?

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          I thought so. Who did the picture of the sun plus “day”?

      • If only it was spelled “Sonday”.

      • If only it was spelled “Sonday”

    • I think there probably were reward challenges this episode, they just got cut to make room for the double boot. Either that, or production got very lucky with the way the votes went.

      • Hornacek

        The previous episode ended on day 33, and this episode took place on days 34-35, meaning the immunity challenges took place on days 34 and 35. I don’t think they would have reward challenges on the same day as an immunity challenge.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Maybe the Legacy Advantage is that Ken wins a Subaru?

    So, yeah, total “separate the wheat from the chaff” episode. When the most interesting things about a stretch of the game where two boots happen are Zeke’s new hairstyle and a more entertaining than average immunity challenge, it’s easy to see why they decided to burn through these episodes. Did Sunday even speak prior to her answer to Jeff’s question at Tribal?

    • She had a discussion with Bret.

      • Alycia Swift

        She did? Did she speak or did Bret talk.

  • Sadie

    David came into merge and was really a big figure in bringing together that huge majority and targeting the specific players. He’s seen as the leader, huge threat/target but he’s really pulled in right people. I think Adam wants him gone now because he knows it’s never going to happen.

  • Hornacek

    Sunday is voted out … but she voted for Will at the first vote! I don’t know the scoring rules but I know that means I am no longer dead last in the Pick 4 league. You had ONE JOB Sunday!

    On the other hand, somehow I got to the final episode with both of my players in the Championship League still in the game.

    • corndogshuffle

      You should embrace finishing last in Pick Four, it’s kind of like winning. You win the lowest score.

      • Violina23

        It’s like playing Hearts

        • corndogshuffle

          And golf! Lowest score is like being pre controversy Tiger Woods!

          • Hornacek

            Or the Mad Magazine board game.

          • corndogshuffle

            I feel like I need to know what this is.

          • Hornacek

            It was a board game made by Mad Magazine. My friends and I played in the 80s – you start with a bunch of money and the winner is the one who gets rid of all their money and ends up with nothing.

        • Hornacek

          So you’re saying I was hunting the bitch?

      • sharculese

        I’m last place in Outcasts two seasons running, and I’m leaning into the skid.

      • Hornacek

        That’s what I was trying to do. I noticed I was in last place a few weeks ago when I only had Sunday left, so I was turning into the skid, hoping she wouldn’t get any more points. She did her job … until the Will vote.

        At worst I am now tied for last place. Does anyone know how many points you get for voting for the person who gets voted out? If it’s more than one then I’m not in last place anymore. #Sad

        • corndogshuffle

          At some point on my quest for last place in Kaoh Rong, I realized that finishing last was way more interesting than finishing eighth from last.

          By “some point” I mean after literally none of my players made the jury.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I remember I was close to you. I was bottom 10 in both Second Chances and Kaoh Rong, but didn’t manage to win at losing either. It inspired my Costanza strategy, which is now my permanent strategy.

          • corndogshuffle

            We’re the Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen of not being Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen!

          • Hornacek

            When I first started the Pick-4 I thought about choosing players that I thought would win or go far or win challenges, but I’m usually terrible at that. So I just choose the players with differently-spelled names. Let random chance make or break me.

  • Violina23

    Ummm, yeah, I’m with Matt and I can totally see the David/Ken/Hannah final 3 happening, which means David wins in a landslide. (Ken’s beauty alone cannot win him this game)

      • Violina23

        Don’t get cocky, kid!

        • I got enough of a lead (I think) in the Champions League that I should be back in it next season.

          • Violina23

            I’m hoping to brown-nose for another position in the outcast league next season

            *cues up Simpsons references*

          • Black Dynamite

            I like this idea. Let me cover my bases here to make sure I’m selected.

            “God, Shirin is awesome!!”
            “Dodgers Suck”
            And finally from this very thread
            “Michele is the worst fucking winner.”

          • Don’t forget dissing the best team of all time, the Cardinals.

          • Purplerockmatt

            just remember who is nominally in charge of Outcasts, and stick to that third thing if you know what i mean

          • Alycia Swift

            I had a lot of fun with this fantasy league. I hope I get invited to some sort of league again. Maybe I’ll actually watch the pregame stuff this time.

          • StormofCuteness

            Yeah, I have a long way to go (apparently as I have no one left now) before I, too, could ever hope to be a witch. *grin*

          • Mike Hirsch

            Me too even though I was abysmal at it. I mean, Lucy could have gone either way, but Paul? What was I thinking?!?

          • Ms_Woozah

            I was out so early. So early.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Your sacrifice was noted in our ledger.

          • sharculese

            That Paul rules.

          • Alycia Swift

            I did not see Lucy’s thing but saw her picture. I would not have picked her. I actually picked 4 that went pretty far (David, Zeke, Michaela and Hannah) and then switched David for Jessica (not Figgy) after the first episode just based on listening to podcast but not watching their own stuff. I should have stayed with my first impression b/c I’ve still got David in the GenX League.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Also mention how hot Mari is, @disqus_3Sm0bOf1sj:disqus.

          • Sylvisual

            Says the guy who is Brenda 4 evah.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            That was meant to troll @purplerockmatt:disqus, actually. And anyway, Brenda’s hapa.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Dude, you are killing it on predictions…

          • Diego Armando

            You are not Mark, you are your own person. Am I doing this right?

          • Purplerockmatt

            you did amazing

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I have no power here, but I appreciate the sentiment.

          • Ms_Woozah

            Nicaragua is the best season ever!!

            Wait am I doing this right.

          • Hornacek

            FIGHT ME JOHN!

          • Kemper Boyd

            me too please and thank you.

          • I think you were already a lock after last week, yes.

          • I was actually a little bit worried.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Not only do I want to see this because I want to see David win, but I want to see Bret, Will, and hopefully a bunch of other people tell Ken he’s a giant douche.

    • Ken’s beauty may not win in Survivor, but it will win in life.

    • Alycia Swift

      I have Hannah in the pick 4 remaining and David in the Outcast League.

      • Violina23

        I keep forgetting who I have in Pick 4 because I don’t think I’ve broken the top 100. I know I have Adam and Ken though, so that’s got to count for something.

        My outcast team died with Jessica’s rock.

  • the sky is falling

    Wow, just saw the preview for the Life in Pieces survivor episode, that looks awful.

  • DrVanNostrand

    Other than pointing to Will as a big threat, I thought Bret was pretty smart at the beginning of the episode. As happy as I was to see them vote out Will, they really should’ve voted David. To me Jay and David are the top threats, in that order.

    • Prom King

      Bret’s slithery style of cozying up to people who just voted out his most recent ally is… interesting.

      • I kinda dig it.

        • Bret is that one dodgy cop who turns informant on all his buddies once it looks like the shit is hitting the fan. Guy is a survivaah.

        • Prom King

          Me too. It’s a surprising tactic from someone as outspoken as him. And an effective one.

  • Sadie

    Has anyone else noticed Jay’s terrible post-merge voting history? The only person he’s voted out is his best bro Taylor.

    • Alycia Swift

      Yep. Which during older seasons would not be in his favor if he got to the end. Here though .,.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Sandra used that argument to win Pearl Islands.

        • Hornacek

          I think we all know that the argument Sandra used to win Pearl Islands is “It’s either me or Lil, and I know you don’t want Lil to win.”

          • Sad Lil

            How dare you!

          • Hornacek

            You appeared just like Candyman!

    • I was going to bring it up. Gee, I can only think of one person who had a pretty rough voting record but got to the end recently…It seems like such an obvious answer, but now I just can’t remember it.

      • Alycia Swift

        Mike?

        I don’t remember his voting record. Everyone was out to get him but did he really not vote for those leaving every time?

      • corndogshuffle

        Michele!

        • That’s it. And to think that I could have easily trolled Matt about this as well.

          • Purplerockmatt

            worst fucking winner

          • Ah! There he is.

          • sharculese

            Because nobody won that season, somehow?

          • corndogshuffle

            I would put Bob and probably Fabio below her, but I agree with your general idea.

          • Max_Jets

            I’d put a few other people below her too. I think it’s the combo of her playing style and her confessionals that make her seem worse.

          • I might argue that it was the community that made her seem worse. I am really excited for Purple Tally (aka the friend that I am watching Survivor with)’s take on that season.

          • Alycia Swift

            Well to me the difference between her being above or below the others is that I thought Aubry should have won but would have been ok with Tai.

            I did not care for Bob or Fabio’s season. Fabio was likable. I did not like Sash and Chase was Michele’s equivalent. Sugar, Susie or Bob – bad winner any way you look at it (although Sugar over Corinne would have been great but would not have happened).

          • I have said it before and I will die on this bridge, but Nicaragua’s FTC was not bad.

          • corndogshuffle

            Shockingly good (or, decent), to be honest.

          • Max_Jets

            I still think Aubry/Michele is basically Parvati/Sandra, except that Sandra is one of the greatest characters in Survivor history.

          • jersey_luck

            I like Michele but her being strong personality on Survivor… well she kicked a puzzle that one time.

          • Max_Jets

            She was also great at the tribal when Tai was trying to vote her out. But yeah, she has lots of forgettable confessionals, though I don’t think they’re as bad people make them out to be. Her charm is much clearer on RHAP.

          • jersey_luck

            I agree Michele is very charming but she is probably the most boring character on a season full of great ones. ( And this me actually really likely Michele as a person and a winner)

          • sharculese

            No. Joe del Campo exists.

          • Hornacek

            Plus her poor performance at a challenge cost her tribe a reward, and Debbie joked that Michele was going off to kill herself, and her tribe laughed about it.

          • Prom King

            For me, Chase is Aubry’s equivalent. Michele = Fabio of course. His moving back and forth between people and creating emotional connections dominated the strategy of that season. Also similar was their respective jury’s decisions to view that style as not worthy of respect and to instead vote for the likable person who didn’t offend anyone.

          • He hasn’t seen Nicaragua yet, but you’re correct- both of those two are worse than Michele.

          • corndogshuffle

            Unless he hates himself or thinks it’s important to watch every season ever, he should probably leave it alone. I can’t believe Bob/Fabio ever won Survivor.

          • Purplerockmatt

            i hate myself for you people!

          • corndogshuffle

            You da real MVP.

          • sharculese

            That’s the only reason?

          • sharculese

            Fabio won Survivor because he successfully worked his ‘charming idiot’ shtick to the end.

            I can’t believe Bob won Survivor.

          • corndogshuffle

            I at least give Fabio credit for that much, he definitely took advantage of the “charming idiot” perception. He at least knew what a strategy was, which is far more than Bob could say.

          • sharculese

            I’m gonna quote a genius again:

            “But Bob won!” you say. Sure. He did. Ask him how. See if he can explain it.

          • corndogshuffle

            He literally told the jury at FTC that he didn’t outwit or outplay them.

          • Prom King

            Bob and Mike Holloway are about equal to me. I still value people who win based on a combo of niceness and challenge runs over winners like Michele and Fabio. Or Amber.

          • Streets_Ahead

            Making few/no mistakes is a valuable asset. Also, Amber was 50/50 Rob but Rob is a sound bite machine so it looks like he does everything. She was actually the one who told him he need to vote out Lex right after the merge. Worked out ok for her.

          • Prom King

            Sure. I think each and every winner has done at least one really impressive thing to get them that win. Amber had at least two (allying with Rob and the Lex vote). But certain winners impress me much more than others. I’ve been most impressed by Sandra, Tom, Earl, Kim, Yul, Brian, Jeremy, Parvati, and JT (roughly in that order). Least impressed would Amber, Fabio, and last of all Michele.

          • Hornacek

            When people say that Amber didn’t do anything in All Stars, I tell them to look at Rob in HvV. Rob needed Amber there to whisper in his ear and tell him not to do stupid things and not to focus on the wrong things.

          • Prom King

            And now that I reread this, I realize that “a combo of niceness and challenge runs” is exactly how Fabio won. Mea culpa!

          • sharculese

            “I still value people who win based on a combo of niceness and challenge runs over winners like Michele and Fabio.”

            But that’s how Michele and Fabio won.

          • Prom King

            I did have a mea culpa re. Fabio. But I don’t think Michele’s 2 wins really constitutes a run.

            Possibly I’m also bitter because I hate how the juries came to their decisions in Nicaragua and Koah Rong.

          • sharculese

            I saw your mea culpa after I posted this but, I wanna add:

            ” I don’t think Michele’s 2 wins really constitutes a run.”

            If you’re gonna say this, you also have to account for the fact that Bob didn’t actually beast it to the end. In any other season, that final loss means he comes in fourth. And while I give him a little bit of credit for nurturing the relationship with Sugar, in the end, she basically had to talk him into not giving up.

          • Prom King

            Sure, I can see that. I still don’t see Michele’s 2 challenge wins as being remotely parallel to Bob’s 6 challenge wins as well as the times he helped his team win.

          • Alycia Swift

            While I generally dislike some of the people on that season, I do like Mike. He actually played. He had strategy. For a while, he was the leader of the group. Did some stupid things (eating a scorpion, reneging on the deal at the auction and then changing again). But he also did some great things – challenge run, trying to throw a challenge to save Kelly, the whole Shirin debacle, giving Carolyn a chance at the end. Bob even said he did nothing.

          • Prom King

            I love Mike, he’s awesome. I also love Bob. They both seem like such good guys and I was happy with their wins if only because seeing them on my tv made me happy in general and I like it when people I like win.

            I think their wins are pretty comparable despite Bob downplaying his. Bob’s lay-low strategy and his connection with Sugar were as impressive to me as Mike’s initial leadership and his kindness towards Shirin. And both were amazing at challenges.

          • corndogshuffle

            It really does hurt that I can’t just pretend I don’t know who she is any longer.

          • Max_Jets

            Michele’s voting record was solid. She voted out Nick, Debbie, Julia and Jason. Aubry/Cydney was a tie so she was just as right as everyone else. The Scot vote is the only one she voted incorrectly for.

          • I felt like she had more than that.

          • jersey_luck

            It only feels that bad because she went to only six tribal councils and had immunity for two of them

          • Hornacek

            That feels more like a high average because of how few tribals she went to.

          • Sadie

            Oh! I feel like Jay’s is way worse. 5 bad votes. Dogbar Eddie!?

          • More like Cambodia Keith.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        There’s no reason that should have gone over my head like it did.

        • corndogshuffle

          The word “obvious” basically acts like a trigger for me when I’m talking about Survivor

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            It should have for me as well. Last season in Champs League someone kept referring to me as “Obvious Winner Saturday Night Palsy”. I don’t remember who it was, but I did beat them (obviously).

      • Sadie

        I feel like this is related to Australian Survivor but I can’t remember… lol

        • I haven’t watched Australian Survivor yet.

          • sharculese

            If you’re going to do that, I don’t know exactly how to tell you to brace yourself for it, but um, somehow.

          • corndogshuffle

            Some day you’ll have three months off of work, and therefore enough time to binge watch Australian Survivor.

          • Kemper Boyd

            If you get a hideously bad illness maybe watch it, it’ll make the illness seem less bad.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      His voting history is terrible (and he’s fighting from the bottom now) because it was his allies that were getting sent to the jury. That puts him in a fantastic spot if he can get to F3.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    If you’re David at this point in the game (or more specifically at 7) would there be any value in approaching Jay and Adam and trying to make an end game pact? If they brought in, say, Ken then they would have had a voting majority and they could lock down the final 4. I know this hits on a core debate among Survivor strategy fans (what’s more important: getting to the end at all costs or being in a position where you could win?) but to me it seems better than the mutually assured destruction they have now.

    • Alycia Swift

      No one wants to battle it out against an equal opponent anymore. Even in the early seasons, that did not always happen (Palau for example.)

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        True, and it’s kind of sad (even though I totally get it from a strategy standpoint).

        • I can totally respect it as someone that prefers not to work hard.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            It’s the PRP way.

        • Alycia Swift

          Not including Cambodia which was a different story, I think Mike came closest because Carolyn did play a good game. I remember reading he actually thought he could lose to her but gave her the change for the fire-making challenge instead of just taking Rodney.

    • andythesaint

      There’d be no value because they would just lie to you and then vote for you when you aren’t voting for them.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Yeah that’s probably fair – there’s no trust in that cluster.

  • Diego Armando

    Silly Hannah, goat hunting is something only players who can win need to do.

    • In her defense, at least she just guaranteed she’s the goat they bring instead of Sunday.

      • DrVanNostrand

        I was going to say that her only chance to win was to keep Sunday around and pray for a final 2. But I’m not sure she could have beaten Sunday.

        • Alycia Swift

          I don’t think she could have either. Dave, Ken and maybe Michele would be hers. Bret, Chris and Jay would be Sunday’s.

          Will, Adam, Zeke and Taylor – who knows?

          We might have had the first tie at FTC.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I get it from a “she’s a goat, I’m a goat, I need her gone to secure my goat spot” theory. I really don’t like it from an actual trying to win strategy. She could have won up against Sunday and Bret/Will, maybe even Ken but if Adam, David or Jay (50% of who is left) are sitting next to her she loses. Take out David, then hope Jay loses immunity, everyone will vote him out, then take out Adam and if Ken wins final immunity Hannah will be sitting there and can probably win.

        • Yes, the best scenario for everyone who wasn’t Jay or David was to put enough votes on Jay that he’d either play the idol or get voted out, safe in the knowledge that Jay is voting for David no matter what. That Adam was unable to convince Hannah and Ken of this is testament to David’s great social game, and also to the fact that Ken and Hannah are both not great at Survivor.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Yes it’s a testament to David but it’s easy to get around. Adam did a good enough job convincing Jay to play the idol that all that needed to happen was for Adam to vote for David. Then it’s a tie, then on the revote David and Sunday can’t vote and it’s 3-2 for David (Bret, Jay, Adam) vs (Hannah and Ken). Boom David is gone.

          • I’m not sure if burning Ken and Hannah like that would have been worth it for Adam though. Not when you’ve JUST seen what happened to Will.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I think it would have been more understood than Will’s.

          • Alycia Swift

            Not by Ken or Hannah.

          • It’s just not worth it for the 5-hour speech Ken would give about honour and betrayal and how disappointed he is in you.

          • Ken is in that same handsome bubble as Jon Hamm on 30 Rock, where he definitely doesn’t realize how differently the world treats him because of his hotness.

          • tocantins

            Do you mean that beauty is his handicap?

          • Alycia Swift

            The same Jenna/Heidi bubble.

    • Prom King

      She wants that second place money!

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      I think she was channeling Michelle from Fiji and trying to get rid of the carbon copy of her.

    • Hornacek

      Weren’t the millennials hunting an actual goat on their original tribe?

      • Dezbot

        Yep. They were bad at it, too, thankfully.

        • Alycia Swift

          Yeah well, trying to sneak up on any animal with 7-8 of them would make them bad at it. You know they were not quiet.

  • Diego Armando

    ADAM IS COMING FOR YOU SURVIVOR FINALE. ADAM WILL BREAK ALL WHO STAND BEFORE ADAM.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    I haven’t been much of an Adam or Jay fan throughout this season, but after that hammock scene I’d definitely be okay with an Adam/Jay final. Actually I’m curious to see Adam in the finals either way because I’m genuinely not sure what kind of reception he’d get.

    • sharculese

      Roommate and I are both pushing for a Jay win at this point. She’s not as anti-David as I am, but she does not like him either.

      • Somehow I forgot about you not liking David.

        • sharculese

          It’s fact number 3 about me this season after being insanely pro-Paul and Jesus fuck I have to find something to say about 3 episodes a week of Aussie Survivor.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I hope you got a piece of the Purple Rock IPO or something for that. It was an insane amount of work.

          • Not even I could cook the books well enough to make a Purple Rock IPO look appealing to investors.

          • Is that what made Ben Affleck’s “The Accountant” is so dangerous?

          • Hornacek

            When he killed that guy with the pocket protector and ledger, that was awesome.

        • DrVanNostrand

          How did you forget that?

          • I don’t know.

          • Alycia Swift

            Its the aging thing.

            And I am totally kidding b/c I am way older than you.

          • corndogshuffle

            Dammit… if Barbara is aging then I’m not too far behind.

          • Trust me, 26 was a rough year. I have gained my fair share of gray hair, which is extremely distressing because I always get aged down/carded.

          • corndogshuffle

            On the plus side, nobody in my family on either side has gone gray at an early age, and there is no history of balding. So that’s good.

            On the other hand, I never get carded unless I have to, which makes me think I look 5-10 years older than I really am. And that’s a little distressing.

          • Well, I have dark brown/black hair, so when I find the gray hair, they look really obvious.

          • corndogshuffle

            My hair is very similar, so when I’m your age I’ll have similar issues with grays sticking out.

          • Yeah in a whopping month and a half.

          • corndogshuffle

            Let me have this one.

          • All right.

          • corndogshuffle

            Don’t worry – today I got asked by a 1st grade kid how old I was when the Titanic sank. I’ve more than taken my beating for the day!

          • Holy crap, that’s brutal. I thought one of my students asking me if I could name a Taylor Swift song was bad.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I told one of my employees that a German woman ran the day care on the air force base I lived on as a child.

            She said: “They let Germans on air force bases?”

          • StormofCuteness

            This reminds me that when I asked my 7th graders what was the famous ship the pilgrims arrived in America on, many hands went up, and when I called on one, she said, “The Titanic”, and trying not to laugh, I said, “Um, no.”
            And then all the other hands went down. !!!!

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I’ve been getting quite a bit of gray the past couple of years, too. Weird, huh?

          • sharculese

            I get gray hairs but I also get asked what high school I go to. I start feeling bad when the second thing stops happening

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I keep finding gray hairs too! Apparently my paternal grandmother went gray pretty early, and everyone says I take after her…

          • Mike Hirsch

            I was doing ok on the gray hair (that’s what happens when you go bald at an early age), but over the past year or so, my beard went from reddish-brown with a stray gray hair or two to gray with a stray reddish-brown hair or two.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I’m not sure if we are being told the Jay win story. He’s had really high points and I believe he’s got the chance to win if he can make it to the end but he has to win out now and I’m not sure he can.
        I hate to try the read the edit because I’m really not great at it contemporaneously, only after I see the end can I pick out the edit (Mike Holloway is an exception).

        • “Now I don’t have to talk to any of these fools” is such a winner’s quote. Majestic.

          • Kemper Boyd

            There isn’t a player out there who doesn’t have a good winner quote on tape. Adam’s is about his mum, David’s is about his confidence.
            Hell Denise’s winner quote was from very early on talking about how God doesn’t help her do anything she does it on her own.

          • That Denise quote is pretty wonderful and such a great summation of her game. #DeniseComeBackSoon

          • But it could also be read as he doesn’t have the social awareness to try to save his people tonight.

          • Alycia Swift

            And also read as – these fools won’t have the chance to vote for you and Michaela was right.

          • That’s what I meant. Clearly my sarcasm was insufficiently signposted.

          • To see the exact opposite reaction, look at Mike in Worlds Apart. Even when he was safe, he tried to have some say in what the decision was.

          • Alycia Swift

            Yes, he kept warning others and he was generally right.

          • sharculese

            I mean, I would believe that about some people, but if there’s one thing Jay has, it’s social awareness. I just think he had a funny line.

          • I am starting to doubt Jay’s social awareness considering his two closest allies left (Will and Sunday) are gone.

          • sharculese

            Being in an alliance that’s crumbling is not always your fault and is not the same as having no social awareness. Jay’s in the position where people know they should do something about him, but you keep finding excuses not to because he’s a comforting presence. What makes him exciting is he seems to have more game sense than most people who end up in that position.

            There’s a reason Adam chose Jay to dump out all of his pent up emotions to Jay. It’s because Jay is the person who makes you feel good when you do that.

            I know I’m starting to sound like a broken record with my Todd praise, but I think that quote was akin to the cornerstone of what made Todd’s game so good: he would go to confessional and just get all the pent up venom out of himself, which made it easier to come back to camp and be everyone’s best friend. That’s what Jay is doing. I don’t think he’s doing it as smart as Todd, but he’s doing it.

          • Fair enough.

          • Ms_Woozah

            I know you’re joking, but this would be my favorite season of all time if Jay wins, for reasons like this.

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          I’m not always a great edit-reader either, but I wonder if Jay’s story is going to be “the jury threat who snuck through to the final four and allowed David to get to the end by being a bigger threat” ?

        • sharculese

          I don’t think he’s winning, but I want him to.

          • I absolutely get it. Here’s the great thing though: Jay is going to come back and be a much better player just based on the small seeds of greatness we have seen so far. Much like KR Julia, his one weakness is his open choice of alliance partners. But, I think he can see the mistakes that he has made and work to change them.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      The show’s been underlining the Adam-Jay *warriors who could have been friends in a different life* thing really hard the past couple of weeks. I don’t see a path to it, but I wonder if they both make F3.

      • Maritimer

        As they are far and away my two favourites left, I would like that, but also don’t see the path. It would make for an epic final tribal

      • Mike Hirsch

        It’s almost like it’s there specifically to take the place of the Tai/Mark the Chicken stuff at the reunion.

        • Roswulf

          The Adam-Mark the Chicken comp brings me such joy.

      • Alycia Swift

        Who is the third – Ken or Hannah (no way its Bret).

    • Vagabond

      My guess for Adam’s reception, a combination of exasperation, pity (his mom), and disdain (his social skills). It’s my go to emotional state when I think about how our species generally chooses to behave. If any of you language nerds out there know of a word for that combination in english or any other language please let me know, i usually just refer to it as the “facepalm” feeling.

  • Diego Armando

    I am probably inviting mountains of hate against myself, but I really don’t care about Hannah. To me she seems like the weakest of the recent nerd women they have castes, unable to Mach Shirin’s personally or Aubrey’s competence.

    As a person who has struggled with social issues, I sympathize with her, but she just terrible at the game of Survivor. I don’t dislike her, I just kind of dislike how a chunk of the community is going gaga over a mediocre at best player when we have better super fan alternatives this season.

    • Purplerockmatt

      If it makes you feel better, I feel the same way

    • I understand that sentiment and I am fully aware to admit that I at least 50 percent invested in her for fantasy league purposes. However, I am still astounded that TV Guide named her as one of the best tv performances of the year over someone like Aubry or Tai or Zeke or Michaela.

      • DrVanNostrand

        That is criminal.

      • Yeah, that seemed like a joke. Although it’s TV Guide, which I didn’t even realize was still in existence.

        • Considering that she really didn’t pop as a big character until the two hour episode, it seemed a little skewed in her favor anyway.

        • turgid_legume

          Without TV Guide, what else are old people going to use to shim up unbalanced table legs?

          • Guideposts?

          • Hornacek

            Is Owl Magazine still a thing?

          • Apparently, it is.

          • Hornacek

            What about Highlights?

          • Alycia Swift

            If they have subscriptions for their grandkids. But to shim up unbalanced table legs – Reader’s Digest. They can swipe them from any doctor’s office.

        • Mike Hirsch

          Ever since TV Guide switched from digest format to magazine format, it’s been dead to me.

      • Purplerockmatt

        it did? seriously? ugh

        • Yeap. Apparently they did this list, which gets confusing because they will have actors, fake news journalists, and 1 or 2 reality show contestants. Last year, they had Johnny Mac from Big Brother, which I fully cosign.

          • Sadie

            YES TO JMAC!!

          • I have such a crush on Johnny Mac.

          • StormofCuteness

            I have a crush on you just for saying so.

      • Alycia Swift

        Ditto for fantasy league purposes. But I’m glad to see her over the vacuous Purple Kelly type players (Nat Ten, Monica Padilla, Jeffra, Alexis, Morgan, Alecia (though her I felt sorry for), Baylor etc.) that usually get cast.

      • Max_Jets

        I was nearly crying from laughter when I saw she was voted NUMBER ONE.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I’m glad someone else said it, because I’ve dedicated myself to shitting on Ken. But I agree.

      • sharculese

        I’v dedicated myself to shitting on David, so I’m glad someone took up the Ken mantle.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          #CaucasianWoo

    • Max_Jets

      I think Hannah, Shirin, and Aubry are all standouts in their seasons and I don’t see why we have to see them as inferior versions of each other when they are all pretty different (that said I would probably do the same when complaining about Joe Anglim and Ozzy in comparison to Jay and Malcolm so carry on). Hannah has provided us with many great moments (her extended voting booth, wishing Adam well on his idol hunt, raving about Ken and his brother, etc) and has been a fun character this season in a way no one else has since Michaela was voted out. That’s not to say there aren’t other fun characters, but she adds a unique quality to the season which many find delightful so what’s wrong with that? I think she is doing some things well, but no one is calling her a mastermind.

      • I’m mostly indifferent towards her, but the one thing that bothers me about her is that she seems less than genuine at times. In the moments when she’s being herself, I like her more.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I empathize and relate to Hannah in a lot of ways, but there are also aspects of her personality that really grate on me, such as nonironic usage of “sportsball” and such.

      • Diego Armando

        I don’t dislike her. I just think her overall Wishiwashiness and non-strategic thinking tend to grate on me.

    • Crappy

      I don’t see Hannah as a favourite among a lot of survivor online fans.

      • Oh, it’s there. Though in fairness, if you know where to look you can find any player being championed by some segment of Survivor fans online.

    • Mike Hirsch

      I’m with you. I liked her strategy of getting out the goat with more appeal to everyone last night, but overall I have not been too high on Hannah this season. I’m not anti-Hannah. If my reaction to Hannah were and emoji, it would be this: 😶

    • Alkanarra

      She’s basically just Lisa Whelchel all over again. Emotional mess, inconsistent strategic focus, playing on an entirely different wavelength than the rest of her tribe, and has detractors because they feel her “off in la la land” shtick is eating up other people’s screen time.

    • Hornacek

      But she gave us trust-clusters, which are a legitimate thing!

      • Ok, now I remember a second thing I didn’t like about her.

  • Diego Armando

    Predictions. I think ADAM is winning. He has gotten an overall positive edit, he knows he can’t take David to the finals and has a few goats he can beat (Ken and Hannah).

    I think Jay beats everyone in the finals, but falls short of making it, likely due to the Legacy Advantage.

    David would be number 2 in my power rankings, He wins hi he makes it to the end without Jay. I suspect the finale will have Hannah deciding to make her big move and vote him out. Bret will go at some point.

    Final 3

    1. ADAM (7 votes)
    2. Beautiful Ken (3 votes)
    3. Hannah (0 votes)

    • Okay, I have a weird read on the edit now. All three of Adam’s big storylines (idol/advantage/family visit) have been played to the logical conclusion, but isn’t it funny that at least two if not three of these directly impact Jay’s game? I think we are going to see an Adam vs. Jay tribal in our finale and the remaining three/four will have to pick who goes.

      • Alycia Swift

        If that’s the case, Jay goes. No one wants to sit by him.

    • Alycia Swift

      So who are your predictions for the votes for Adam and for Ken?

      I actually think it will be David, Ken and Hannah but maybe with one less for Ken.

      • Kemper Boyd

        If it’s this final 3:
        Adam: Michelle, Chris, Sunday, Bret, Jay, Will, Zeke.
        Ken: David, Taylor, Jessica.

        • Alycia Swift

          I agree but if its David instead of Adam, I’m not sure if Adam votes Ken or Hannah. I think he votes David.

          • Kemper Boyd

            100%, in fact I think Jessica might vote David too and that could lead to a clean sweep as Taylor gets the “jury consensus” disease.

          • Alycia Swift

            That would be interesting.

      • Diego Armando

        I think David, Jessica and Taylor vote Ken. Everyone else votes ADAM.

      • Diego Armando

        Yeah, if I am wrong that will be the Final 3, likely with that vote split.

    • I’d have said for a long time that David had the edge, but it is interesting that for the past two votes David has been really at risk, but has not been shown as central to the strategising – it’s looked very much like Adam and Hannah are saving him, rather than him saving himself.

      Now granted, those social bonds he’s made were a massive factor. And if the edit had remained all about David it would certainly make things seem too obvious. But we’ve now had two episodes in a row where the edit has really focused on Adam’s decisions at the expense of everyone else’s, which makes me wonder if the tides just might be turning in his direction.

      • Diego Armando

        That was my thought. Going into this week I thought David was the favorite, but these last 2 episodes have both been about ADAM. And he has looked good. David is still very much a threat, but it seems that everyone knows how dangerous he is.

  • sharculese

    Guys, Legends of Chamberlain Heights might be the single worst show I’ve ever seen. It looks like a not particularly good Flash cartoon from 2002, and I feel like they thought that everyone would just be like “oh, they’re intentionally invoking this aesthetic” rather than thinking that nobody involved with this show can draw. Either way, it looks like garbage. And the writing and voice acting is fucking terrible. Seriously, everything about this is the worst and I’m about to go into the kitchen and make veggie bacon so I don’t have to deal with it

    • Alycia Swift

      Is that the Austrialian cartoon on Netflix?

      • Something Quirky

        I think you’re thinking of Pacific Heat, which looks like a terrible Archer rip-off.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I’ve seen 5 minutes of the show, and it looks terrible. Aggressively terrible.

    • corndogshuffle

      Veggie bacon? That sounds even worse than turkey bacon. Maybe even worse than Canadian bacon.

      • sharculese

        It’s delicious. Bacon is just a nitrate delivery vehicle anyway, so why not go with the way that is better for the planet and makes less of mess?

        • DrVanNostrand

          I’m willing to tolerate a lot of wacky opinions, but this is just objectively wrong. The nitrates are a small part of the wonderfulness of bacon. The curing and smoking just enhances the insanely delicious flavor of one of the most delicious parts of the pig, the belly. When cooked properly, regular pork belly is just as good. Bacon is simply a convenient delivery system for pork belly.

          • sharculese

            I would agree with this for carefully-treated farm fresh bacon, but I’m not gonna sign on to it for Hormel or Smithfield. Veggie bacon gives me the flavors I want, without being an ecological disaster, so I’ll take that most of the time.

          • I will say this in your defense: veggie burgers are surprisingly good, so I’d at least be willing to try veggie bacon.

            But pig bacon is so delicious, though.

          • sharculese

            I’m actually not that big of a bacon fan, so substitute bacon is easy for me to eat. It’s crumblier than you would expect from real bacon, and cooks way way faster, so it’s easy to burn if you’re not careful, but I think it’s really tasty.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I will also say in your defense that I am a harsh bacon critic. I’ll go through the whole bacon section to find the one brand that gets it right with respect to fat ratio, thickness, cooked texture, and balance of flavor. And I always get my uncured pork belly at Korean groceries because they know how it’s done. Pork belly is a difficult cut to get right. On an unrelated note, also go to Korean groceries for beef short ribs. They’re always perfect.

          • sharculese

            The nearest Korean grocery store is far enough away from me to make it not worth it.

            What I really miss is when I lived near a grocery store that catered to Latin American tastes, so they always had an ample supply of things like star fruit and plantains. I made my dad fried plantains for the first time at 63 at his response was “where have these been all my life.”

          • DrVanNostrand

            I’m with you on that. I moved from CA to MA, and I’m out in the burbs now so Latin American groceries are far away. It really sucks.

          • Oh, tostones are wonderful. I hate plantains by themselves, but mash them, fry them, top them with salt and lime and they’re amazing.

          • sharculese

            Eating a raw plantain sounds like eating a raw potato. Tyson talked about doing it on BvW once and I just shuddered. What I served my dad was fried plantain slices in a bowl with Spanish rice, wilted spinach, and salsa verde.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Is this a bad time to mention that I’ve never eaten bacon of any kind?

          • No more or less than any other time. Because it’s always a bad time to mention that, you see.

          • sharculese

            Ignore what everyone else is telling you, veggie bacon is tasty. I’m not someone who feels the need to eat fake meat (mostly because I also eat real meat), but if a fake meat product is good for what it is, I’m down for it, and veggie bacon is good for what it is.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I’m not really a fake meat eater except for fake chicken nuggets/patties. Even before I was a vegetarian, bacon (as well as hamburgers and hot dogs) just never appealed to me enough to try.

          • sharculese

            Oh yeah, if the idea of bacon just isn’t appealing to you, then veggie bacon isn’t for you. I love it though.

        • corndogshuffle

          Because it’s BACON!!!!!

          • Alycia Swift

            A million up votes.

          • corndogshuffle

            I thought about up voting myself to pad my stats, but that would be as sad as bacon is awesome.

          • Alycia Swift

            Have you tried bacon with chocolate? Its surprisingly delicious.

          • corndogshuffle

            This sounds awesome in the way that fries and chocolate shakes are awesome. I never would have thought to combine those two things.

          • Alycia Swift

            A while ago I got some at an Amish grocery. But over the weekend, we bought some at a craft show. I have the company name somewhere. Hubby loves it.

          • MsFjordstone

            Upscale chocolatiers are getting into the bacon game now, too. I know Vosges has a dark chocolate bacon bar you can buy in ordinary stores,

        • Something Quirky

          Do you guys have Lord of the Fries?

        • MsFjordstone

          I personally think that veggie bacon is much more convincing, and delicious, than turkey bacon. I haven’t eaten red meat in over 25 years, and the only thing I seriously miss is bacon, so I’ve tried just about every pork bacon substitute available.

    • Streets_Ahead

      In a weird way this makes me watch to check it out.

  • Sylvisual

    And on the seventh player remaining, God rested.

  • Streets_Ahead

    Just note that Jay has only voted for the person who went one once out of seven post merge votes. If some how he wins he would be the new record holder for incorrect voting by a winner.

    • sharculese

      And it would be awesome.

    • Maritimer

      But, weirdly, with solid strategy throughout. Jay’s biggest strength all game has been managing to make someone else look like a bigger target, and being in the minority the whole time has helped with that

  • Time for my favorite game and Sharculese’s least favorite game: Guess where MvGX ranks in Dalton Ross’s season rankings. Any guesses without cheating?

    • Max_Jets

      Ugh, I don’t know, 5th? 26th? 14th? I’ll submit 10th, but his rankings seem all over the map to me so I have no idea.

    • StormofCuteness

      I haven’ looked yet, but I’m sure it’s in the middle of the pack somewhere.

    • Crappy

      In top 10.. I would say 8 or 9

      • Man, you zeroed in there.

        • Crappy

          I just checked and it’s 9 for him! It will go up as well if one of David or Jay wins. Go down if Ken or Hannah wins, stay the same if Adam wins.

          • Is that what he specifically said? I know he likes to tentatively rank it before the finale with that reasoning.

          • Crappy

            He always says that the finale and the winner can affect the ranking. For example – Michele winning resulted in KR falling a few places.

          • Good call.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I’m going to guess either 3rd or 31st.

      • Nope (why third?).

        • Kemper Boyd

          way too high and nothing goes above HvV. It’s a very stupid position to put it thus my guess.

          • Well, Dalton has HvV fairly low as is.

          • Kemper Boyd

            If HvV isn’t your number 1 I don’t think I can take any opinion of yours seriously.

          • His is a tie between Borneo and Micronesia.

          • Kemper Boyd

            welp, that’s a bad opinion and I LOVE Micronesia.

          • HvV is his third season.

    • jersey_luck

      Is it higher or lower then where he ranks Survivor Caramoan for some reason.

      • I am glad that I am not the only one who goes Huh about that.

    • Maritimer

      I’m gonna say he does the thing where he puts it a bit low then says he can raise it depending on the winner….so 11th or 12th

    • gouis

      Should be top 10

    • How about we play my favorite game: How much will r/Survivor hate our ranking of the season?

      • I think there is a 100 percent chance that they will hate it.

        • This is accurate, regardless of where we rank it.

          • andythesaint

            I honestly don’t get why they don’t like us. All we do is constantly belittle them and the things they believe!

          • I’m as confused about it as you are, believe me.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Isn’t reddit the place where they try to convince people that Nicaragua isn’t so bad? If so, being hated by them is the greatest compliment imaginable.

          • andythesaint

            Yes. And yes.

      • DrVanNostrand

        r/Survivor knows who you are?

        • Only the assholes.

  • turgid_legume

    Does the following happen to anyone else? Jeff describes the challenge, and I listen to him describe it. Then the players start playing and I’m like, “The fuck, there’s a maze too?” having totally forgotten everything Jeff just said.

    Also, I’ve seen some people be down on the challenges this season, but I think the challenge team has been absolutely killing it. I’m not really a big challenge guy but I love the way they’ve been innovating ways to come up with all kinds of new ways to make the players do something hard in an interesting and unexpected way.

    I’ve suspected that David is our winner for some time but this episode sealed the deal as far as I’m concerned. But unlike other recent seasons, I wouldn’t be at all mad at any possible outcome, save Bret.

    • Streets_Ahead

      The two challenges this episode were good but most of the post merge ones have been stand still and hold something which is very boring.

      • Agreed. I’ll give them credit for avoiding the types of challenges that specifically favor men over women (or vice versa), but the initial challenges were too similar.

        • It’s very Nicaragua-esque where the challenges had to be balanaced to not overly slant towards the young ones.

  • Prom King

    I wonder if Ken has any chance of winning. Seems like everyone has written him off, and exit interviews from Zeke etc don’t help. But it’s hard for me to write him off. He was central in voting off Paul and Lucy, he flipped Adam, his social game was strong enough to get the Legacy and to create the longest running alliance this season, and he’s won two immunities. Even his weird confrontation last week over Will ended with the target getting moved off of him. After David, I think he’s one of the season’s stronger players, old school style and all. But most of his accomplishments (as well as his positive edit) all occurred pre-merge. Even more, perception is reality for juries, and I’m concerned that no one respects his style and that they just get a Matt from Amazon vibe from him. Ah well. I’d be pretty happy with a David or Adam win I guess. They are both pretty endearing and actively strategic. David probably deserves it the most of anyone on the cast except maybe Jay. But I just can’t help but root for Ken to win, especially post Zeke and Michaela.

    • Streets_Ahead

      Why does Jay deserve to win most of all?

      • Prom King

        “Deserve” is a weird word to use for Survivor winners and I sorta wish I hadn’t used it because I do think every winner deserved their win. Even ugh Michele.

        When I watch Survivor in terms of who played the best game (which is not the main reason I watch it), I look at it in terms of points scored. Points could be anything from creating a successful alliance to organizing an elimination to winning challenges. From that perspective, I think David is the most “deserving” winner at this point, with Jay and Ken behind him. And Adam behind them but catching up fast.

        • Streets_Ahead

          I agree every winner deserved it. I was more curious because Jay hasn’t really done anything. He won a few immunities and had an idol, but he’s approaching Eddie level of voting futility. Plus he hasn’t seemed to be getting good bonds with many people. Like his most highlighted relationship is with Adam and it’s a love/hate relationship. That’s not a great sign. Michele for example IMO played a better game than Jay even if he wins.

          • Prom King

            Jay’s accomplishments: eliminated Mari (with Michelle of course), found hidden immunity, eliminated Michaela, correctly decided not to play Idol at least once, won two individual immunities. He has his debits too of course (blindsided by multiple votes and just wasted his idol) but overall I’m more impressed by his accomplishments than I am by Michele’s.

          • Kemper Boyd

            He’s voted wrong at almost every tribal…
            I feel like right now David and Adam are heading the deserving race for gameplay. Remember strong gameplay at the end is more important than any move made pre-merge.

          • Prom King

            Yeah that’s also a debit. But voting correctly is something I tend to credit more towards people who vote correctly all or most of the time (especially Natalie White) rather than against those players who don’t. Mainly because I don’t want to hold voting records too much against underdogs who are against a majority alliance.

            When I look at shots called, I see Jay having a slight edge over Adam. Jay has achieved several goals; Adam’s main plays where he actually made the call were eliminating Will (and I’m not sure of the wisdom of that) and siding with Ken over Taylor (and I think a lot of that was due to Ken’s power of persuasion). I also see Adam’s social game as far less adept than Jay’s, who I think could beat Adam at final tribal and who isn’t seen as a snake by anyone not named Michaela.

            Gameplay at the end is the most important of course, because that’s what the jury looks at. But I prefer to look at how players performed overall during their season and so I don’t discount pre-merge play. I thought Phoebe from Survivor Australia 3 was easily the most accomplished player from that season (besides the winner I suppose, ugh) and she was eliminated right before the merge. I don’t have many more examples of these sorts of players, but the short list would include Sherri from Caramoan, Brenda and Colton in their first seasons, maybe Deena from the Amazon.

          • I’ll give Ken credit for making Adam feel comfortable, but I think he was also very interested in getting rid of Taylor/Figgy as a couple. So it probably only took the slightest of nudges to convince him for the Figgy vote.

            And Adam did want to use Taylor as a goat, but A) he was terrible at managing that relationship (and weirdly fixated on it), and B) it was way too early to think about dragging a goat.

          • Prom King

            Oh definitely. I wouldn’t give Ken 100% credit on that. But from what I remember of those scenes, Adam still was really torn (at least that was how he verbalized it) and Ken’s noble, honorable, and very soulful and eye-contacty entreaty pushed him over to the Gen X side. His subsequent obsession with Taylor came across to me as if he was trying to repair the opportunity he had lost in having Taylor-Figgy as allies and goats.

    • andythesaint

      I think he still has a chance. Basically, if the jury becomes more bitter than we’re anticipating (which is ALWAYS a potential outcome), his brand of weirdo gameplay might end up becoming a positive, as people won’t feel betrayed.

    • Here’s an important thing to note: Ken’s biggest screw-up of the season was completely washed away by the edit of both the Previously On and the post-TC discussion.

      • Hornacek

        What’s that? Sorry, I was staring at Ken’s eyes and his abs, did you say something about Ken screwing up?

  • Figaro

    All the talk about Goats this season and not wanting to be perceived as a Goat has me curious about the genesis of the term. Can any super knowledgeable people tell me where the choice of the word Goat came from? Was it from any particular season, or did it start getting used in the fandom and then subsequently get adopted by the players?

    • The latter. And it started getting used in Survivor fandom because in discussion of sports, people would often talk about the hero and the goat of the game/team/season.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Way back when in the early days of the show, someone on some online forum proposed a taxonomy of Fox, Bear, Goat, and Bunny. The other three terms didn’t stick.

  • Crappy

    Hannah.. seemed to be powering her inner Tasha this episode. Probably thinking she would get Cirie level accolades for her ‘take out the goat’ strategy. Here is a clue, Cirie targeted a goal in Courtney because Terry Dietz, biggest threat in the game, was immune. There was absolutely no justification in not voting out David in the second TC tonight.

    Adam was right that they needed one of Jay or David to leave that tribal council no matter what. I wonder if he would have backed off that Will vote out plan, had he known that he would not be able to get out David next.

    I think David has this game won. Next TC Jay goes and then Hannah, Ken along with him, lock in the F3 for the FTC. Adam goes in the 4th fallen angel spot.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Also, taking out a goat makes much much more sense in a F2 scenario. You need to have both seats open if you are not going to win final immunity. If Cirie is at 3 with Courtney no way she is taken to FTC, if it’s a final 3 and it’s Cirie, Aras, Danielle and Courtney she’s got to feel that she’s got a great chance to be top 3. Totally different situation.

    • At least Hannah is not saying that the fans would want her to get rid of the goats…

  • Hannah: “The person who is able to convince everyone to vote for their preferred boot is the person who is going to win this game. Which is why I am going to vote for the person David asked me to vote for.”

    Oh, Hannah.

    (I thought for a moment here that she was going to go along with Adam’s plan and basically confirm his Natalie Anderson Memorial Endgame Run. But then she didn’t. But Adam still got his secondary objective of flushing David’s idol. So…)

    • (Natalie Anderson Memorial Endgame:

      Adam is the Natalie, somehow, I’m sorry Natalie but that’s just the way this is going
      David and Ken are the Jon and Jaclyn
      Jay is the Keith
      Hannah is the Baylor
      So I guess Bret gets to be the Missy. Just get in the back seat and let him drive.)

      • Hornacek

        Ken can’t be Jaclyn, he has a biological child.

        Now I made myself feel bad.

        • Alycia Swift

          Don’t feel bad. You also cracked me up. I should be doing other things.

        • Sadie

          I chuckled

          But she actually can have a biological child!

          (I follow her on instagram so I know far too much about this)

          • Kemper Boyd

            SHE HAS OVARIES!!!

          • Sadie

            LMAO

          • Hornacek

            I thought her whole thing (on the show, not in real life) was that she couldn’t have a biological child because of the whole “no uterus” thing.

          • Sadie

            Some people with mrkh have no reproductive organs. She has ovaries but no uterus

          • Purple Rock Emma

            She can’t bare a child, but can have a biological child via a surrogate.

          • Hornacek

            She can’t bare a child? Well, I can’t bear children.

            I’ll just show myself out.

  • Samb

    David expertly splitting a coconut while talking strategy = winner edit to beat all winner edits.

    • Growth arc!

    • Hornacek

      He didn’t even flinch at the sound.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Ken Can: a poem by Mike Hirsch

    There he stands, and chops things
    There he sits, and chops things not dissimilar
    Sage and knowing, a warm voice
    Warm like the sound of a vinyl record
    Abs
    Abs that glisten
    Abs that gleam
    Stare not for too long into the abs-byss
    My God, it’s full of stars
    A game of Survivor that only exists in our hearts
    Who can win? Ken can

    • Alycia Swift

      This cracked me up at work. Its a good thing its only two of us in the office and my assistant is used to me cracking up occasionally.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Not having to explain random laughter to coworkers is always a plus, in my opinion.

    • Ms_Woozah

      *slow clap*

      • Mike Hirsch

        It works better with some bongos.

        • I read that as “bongs”.

          Both statements are probably correct.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Yeah, I would think they kind of go together in a lot of cases.

          • They do. Throw in a bonfire, and you’ve got Stoner Bingo.

          • Is it on the beach, waiting for Bret to break it up?

          • Why would a mortician break up a bonfire?

          • Maybe it was near a gravesite?

    • This reminds me of my attempt to write a Taylor Swift song about Jake Gyllenhaal before they were an item (so like fall of 2010). I guess I am a witch to predict that.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Guys, I tweeted this but who is contestant who got Survivor Hottest? This can a question for the podcast or people can anwer here. I’d say that Yul is high on my list.

    • The one that jumps to mind first is Christina in One World.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Great choice. I will include my love Katie Collins (ignore the toenails).

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      Earl, probably? The beard really worked for him.

      • Kemper Boyd

        the beard issue is big. A beard can really really improve a man or if it’s scraggly destroy everything (see Malcolm).

        • I’ve railed against Malcolm’s facial hair far more than any straight man should.

          • Kemper Boyd

            It’s terrible. The fact he kept it post island is the biggest indictment of him as a person. He’s very good looking but the three musketeers level of facial hair is a huge no.

          • Exactly. He’s excused for having it on the show, but keeping that disaster on his face when he has access to a razor is a crime.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Earl was kind of hot already though, right? Or am I just thinking of Island Earl?

        Bret absolutely gets my Most Improved vote at this point. He may not be peak Island Hot capacity, but he has definitely reached peak Bret attractiveness.

        • Kemper Boyd

          He’s got a cute smile for sure.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Earl’s got a great smile

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          For Bret I’d say his face has reached island hot level, but his bod isn’t there for me. I’d have to go back and check, but I would guess his body was better at the beginning because it was more solid and less droopy with weight loss.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Man I feel so superficial saying all of that. I feel the need to note that for me personality/mind is most important, followed by smile.

          • Nah, that’s implied. We’re all very nice, enlightened people engaging in some light-hearted objectification.

      • DrVanNostrand

        Unpopular opinion: Earl is hotter than Ken.

    • Max_Jets

      JT. I find JT completely unattractive off island and incredibly good looking on the island. As for hottest overall? Yul is a good pick. I would probably go Tom Westman or Aras.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Westman and Aras are too actually attractive at the beginning.

        • Max_Jets

          For sure. Westman I think looks a lot better on island though.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Fair. There is something really hot about dirt and being a touch thin.

        • In fairness, it’s not like Yul was a slouch at the start.

          • Kemper Boyd

            this is true but he’s so fucking rugged at the end.

      • Something Quirky

        cabspaintedyellow made a poem on The AV Club discussion, and referenced Ken making JT look like Fishbach, and while I have no major complaints about Fishbach’s looks, I’d still put JT above Ken. JT had such a warm and genuine smile, whereas Ken has a lot of grumpy faces.

        • Max_Jets

          Yeah, I think Fishbach is pretty hot too. I’d probably go JT over Ken too, but only after watching a whole season of them.

    • Boston Rob.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Facial hair is an issue.

        • andythesaint

          Yeah, his facial hair is awful. Linda Holmes called it the Sleazestache.

          • MAYBE THAT’S MY THING, OK

          • Hey, we’re not here to judge.

            We’ll do all our judging elsewhere, behind your back.

          • sharculese

            I am. I’ve made ite clear judging dudes on their facial hair growing ability is one of my jams. My roommate and I had a debate about who’s left this season and these are the rankings:

            1. Bret – full, luscious beard
            2. Ken – pretty good beard, but a little scraggy
            3. Adam – can’t grow hair on his face, but at least the neckbeard and mustache are even
            4. David – can grow hair on his face, but man those bald patches are crazy
            5. Jay – envies Boston Rob’s ability to grow facial hair.

          • To clarify, I meant that we’re not going to judge any commenter’s opinions of Survivor hotness (publicly, at least). We are definitely here to judge Survivor hotness.

          • Alycia Swift

            Bret actually looks better with the beard.

          • DrVanNostrand

            David clearly picks at his facial hair as a nervous habit. I had a friend who used to do that, and David’s little bald spots look exactly like that. Plus, I’ve seen David do it a lot. I’m 99% sure that is the problem. It could be exacerbated by the fact that the little inflamed bare spots are more likely to get infected without being properly washed every day.

          • sharculese

            I would buy that, but I also have one little space on my right jawline where hair just will not grow. It’s teeny-tiny so my beard covers its, but I wouldn’t be shocked to find out David’s beard is just patchy. Your theory makes sense too, though.

          • Hornacek

            Upvoted for using the word “exacerbated”.

          • Oh dear, I’m screwed then.

          • sharculese

            Gonna repeat a joke, because it’s still good: A week into every season Boston Rob looks like he has a van with candy in it.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Boston Rob’s most attractive appearance was on Amazing Race, I’d say.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      For men, this has a lot to do with facial hair and weight loss. Women are naturally at a disadvantage in becoming Survivor Hot because they (hopefully) don’t start looking radically different with facial hair and a smaller percentage of women start the game anywhere close to being overweight. Survivor Hot women to me either start the game with some pudge (by TV standards, certainly not by reasonable real-life standards), like Katie Collins, Christina Cha, and Ami Cusack, or they just look better disheveled than put together, like Erinn Lobdell, Stephenie LaGrossa, Leann Slaby, and Julie Berry.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I’m of the belief almost everyone looks better dishevelled than put together.

      • Sadie

        I think I don’t even notice Survivor hot for the women until finale when they are super made up. Then I think that they all looked better before.

        And I say this as someone who is into makeup and totally thinks people should whatever they want to their faces. But something about finale makeup… (thinks Dani and Steph at the Guatemala finale)

        • Natalie Anderson’s hair is the pinnacle of lady Survivor hotness.

          • Kemper Boyd

            This is such a hot shot: http://i.imgur.com/QavSZkB.gif

          • Sadie

            Okay, this is actually true.

          • Ms. Sweaterfan

            Nat A. in general. Damn gurl!

          • Another contender for best island hair: Jerri in HvV

          • Alycia Swift

            And for guys – Ken’s hair (not facial hair, regular hair).

          • Sadie

            Yeah his hair somehow always looks styled… in a natural, tousled way

          • Kemper Boyd
          • Having curly hair is a massive benefit at times out there.

          • I have long, thick, naturally curly hair. Put me out there without access to a wide toothed comb and I’m pretty sure by about day 8 or 9 the local wildlife would be nesting in it.

          • sharculese

            I’m in the same boat as you and BJ, and I used to feel like you do, but I’m not so sure anymore. Just look at Jay. 35 days in and he’s still doing good (can’t grow a beard, but that’s a different issue.) Just go in and get some weight removed a few days before you go out and I think we’re fine.

          • Hornacek

            I think we have found your Peanuts analogue: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu27t6szKZ1qgxj1po1_250.gif

          • Spoiler: curly hair in real life mostly does not look like curly hair on tv. Or in cartoons. Mostly it looks like you trying to detangle it from your own jewellery, clothing, or objects in your general vicinity 😉

          • Hornacek

            I’m still going to be reminded of you when I watch A Charlie Brown Christmas this month and Frieda talks about her hair.

        • Alycia Swift

          Some of them do she-lack (I have no idea how to spell this and am being lazy) the makeup on. (Sierra Dawn Thomas as well as Steph and Dani).

    • andythesaint

      It’s a tough call for people that are already hot that get hotter. It’s like how Most Improved awards tend to go to players who didn’t use to be good that became good, rather than stars who became even bigger stars.

      For instance, island Colby is still the best Colby even though off-island Colby is a professional handsome person. Parvati is stunning IRL, but otherworldly on island.

      But like John, Christina Cha is my answer. I still remember the moment late in the season where it hit me like a ton of bricks.

      • Kemper Boyd

        This is legit my feeling on Katie Collins.

    • Alycia Swift

      And who gets worse?

      • andythesaint

        Skinnier women. Particularly those with enhanced figures.

    • Alycia Swift

      Yul’s high on mine too.

      Aubry from last season.

      And for worse – Kelly Wentworth looked skeletal at the end.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Kelley hit peak island hot like 25-28 days in and then it was a a sharp decline to not well at all.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Upon reflection, was Will’s demise the result of being too open about his strategy (or the fact that he even had one)? Let’s say he had still made all the same voting decisions but hadn’t blabbed his pendulum strategy or harped on his resume so much – does everyone just shrug and say ‘Actual Child Will doesn’t know what he’s doing. He would make a great goat!’

    • Yes. But if he wanted to win, he had to demonstrate that he wasn’t just Actual Child Goat. (Note: He was never going to win.)

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Yeah, that’s quite a knife’s edge to walk.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        A child goat is called a “kid” (wait, that doesn’t work…)

        • I had that same thought when I was typing it.

    • Alycia Swift

      To some extent, yes. But they’d also look to see who would actually vote for him (probably Jay and Taylor).

      • Kemper Boyd

        I really don’t think you’ll find a jury who would, unless we have an all under 23 season. I think it’s a step too far. I just don’t see a way adults want to give an 18 year old $1m unless they are sitting next to Russell Hantz (HvV) and Philip Shepard level arseholes.

        • Alycia Swift

          Yep. And an all under 23 (or an all 18 year old) season is one I skip.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Seconded.

  • Sadie

    When Adam had his choice at the first boot (with Bret and Sunday inside) he should have went for David over Will.
    I don’t think he realized the pushback he’d get later on.

    Will doesn’t have strong allies. And, hot take here, he sucks worse at challenges than David

    • I can understand not wanting to take the risk of Jay, Will, Bret and Sunday then recombining with a majority though.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Yep, it actually had to be Will first for Adam, otherwise he’s not in a great spot.

      • Sadie

        But it seemed like he has Bret and Sunday on board with David, Jay and Will being the biggest threats. I feel like it would have been in their best interests to stick with Adam rather than go back to Jay and Will (as the remaining threats)

        • Kemper Boyd

          But after Adam takes out David he goes up in the thread levels and supersedes Will so if Jay plays his idol Adam is the guy who is the bounce out.

  • Sylvisual

    For me, the Adam/Jay conversation is the most fascinating thing in this entire episode. The range of emotion, the recognition of their dichotomy, the frankness. It’s unusual and refreshing.

    Do we think this is setting up a scenario where only one of the two wins? Or is this a major winner moment? (David is a known threat, and still think he’s a favorite given how many bullets he’s dodged, but everyone has openly strategized about taking him out. Even Hannah.)

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      I thought they were right on the verge of forming a final 2 pact of genuine threats, which would have made it much easier to get rid of David, and would have been fascinating because such partnerships are usually between two people who have different/complementary skill sets, and know it (Russell and Parvati, JT and Stephen).

      • Alycia Swift

        But that likely would have handed Jay the win for Adam. I can see why Adam did not fall for it. (Adam’s the Russell and the Stephen in the list. Jay is the Parvati/JT (more of the latter than the former.)

    • I wonder if this is the start of the downfall for both of them. As of right now, the only person who is willing to work with Jay is Adam, but even then, he still screws him over.

      • Sylvisual

        This is kind of what I’m thinking. Either Adam Natalie’s and becomes a last minute winner, or he flames out just short and OWD emerges.

        • Can I ask a stupid question by defining what you mean by “Natalies”?

          • Kemper Boyd

            I believe he means to Natalie used as a verb “to play a quietish game and then make a series of big moves in the last 6-7 and win the whole damn thing like a Queen”.

          • Gotcha. If only he held onto his idol until F5 and played it for Jay…

  • andythesaint

    Since there was two eliminations this week, there’s no time for the mailbag.

    J/K we’ve got LOTS of time. Send em along!

    • -Is this your favourite final 6? If not, which season has your favourite final 6?
      -Does Jay’s winner chances increase or decrease this episode? While he did survive it, he doesn’t have an idol and he also had that extremely damning confessional about not talking to anybody.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Writing “favourite” when you’re addressing Andy is some next-level pandering.

      • andythesaint

        I think Jay’s chances took a hit. Assessing his chances has become more about getting to the end, because he wins if he gets there. He now needs to win one more immunity than he previously needed to get there.

        • Clearly he is hoping for three extremely physical ICs or even a reward challenge at this point that would be for an advantage, so that he can steal it. Unfortunately, he wasn’t expecting a four TC finale.

    • sharculese

      I have one John question and one Andy question:

      John: favorite cocktail

      Andy: I know you watch because you upvoted when I mentioned it in the Australian Survivor reviews, which Orphan Black clone is the best clone and why is it Alison?

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Cosima 4evah!

      • There’s a chance I won’t be available for the podcast tonight, but if I do end up missing out this week, just post this when the podcast hits and I’ll give you my answer (as well as honorable mentions).

      • andythesaint

        It’s Allison because it’s Allison.

        And I only watched the first two seasons..

        • Sylvisual

          Obviously it’s Helena.

          • Alycia Swift

            I love Crystal. I love them all though – although Beth is a bit boring.

          • Hornacek

            You’re right about Beth – the only thing she’s done since the pilot is decompose.

          • Alycia Swift

            Not this past season but I’m not gonna say more. But funny.

          • Hornacek

            Ghosts, flashbacks and imagination doesn’t count.

          • sharculese

            No, it’s Alison.

        • sharculese

          Alternative question: What non-Survivor tv are you guys into right now?

    • Something Quirky

      Can you do a radio play style Survivor auction, complete with fighting over who gets to portray which characters?

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      How do you guys feel about the pacing of this season as a whole? Were you okay with entering the 2nd to last episode with 8 people?
      Is a full and potentially rushed end game preferable to a languishing and underpopulated finale, a la Australia or Kaoh Rong?

    • Alycia Swift

      Ok. Is there going to be something on the website during the break after Christmas of course? Another rewatch?

      • andythesaint

        Most probably there will be something. Especially since March is a long time away.

        Possibly multiple somethings.

        • Black Dynamite

          *cough Palau cough* Barbara Anderson needs to watch it anyway.

    • Side Character

      Whose jury speech from the past seasons is your favourite? Also, whose jury speech are you looking forward to the most next week?

    • Black Dynamite

      Which season’s jury would you most want to hang out with at Ponderosa? You do have to spend time with every juror in this scenario.

      • Alycia Swift

        Actually this one seems ok. Not Kao Rong. Not World’s Apart (except Shirin and Mike).

        I do want to assist Taylor in hiding Chris’ puzzle pieces.

      • andythesaint

        This season.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Is next week the finale?

    • Kingoftonga

      What do you think of the new A Tribe Called Quest album?

      • andythesaint

        Dammit, I keep starting it and getting interrupted. Maybe today’s the day!

  • Something Quirky

    It’s almost 2am, so I’m not reading through 841 845 comments right now, but I have to ask:

    “Sunday’s”?!? what.

    Also, now all I want from the rest of this season is a final 3 that’s basically an Adam/Jay final two. I want them to be best friends.

    I appreciated the baby stingrays and turtle very much. I’m glad they spent more time on that and less time on Will’s booting. (Though when they showed all the balls dropping at the end, phrasing, for no apparent reason, I thought that was weird, and then I noticed only one of the balls was black, so for a second I thought that was going to have significance and something was up.)

    • Alycia Swift

      I saw the poem. I don’t recall it being posted here. Mike’s, posted here, is better. Look for it.

  • Something Quirky

    Oh, applications for Australian Survivor S2 are now open.
    None of my close friends are getting married until mid-year, so I’m considering it. We already had the loved ones discussion (I’d get my Dad to come out, for a few reasons). But I’m still relatively sure I’d get nowhere unless I really played up the Survivor nerd thing. Though maybe having been on the PRP (or “the popular international Survivor podcast, The Purple Rock Podcast” twice is enough nerdery for them 😉

    Here’s the application. I’m guessing it’s the same as the US one.
    https://go.mycastingnet.com/Apply/Show/AustralianSurvivor2

    • Alycia Swift

      Go for it!!!

    • Good luck! I might actually watch if you were on.

      No promises, though.

    • Alkanarra

      I can’t wait for sharculese to point out all the flaws in your gameplay.

      • sharculese

        I was very nice to all of the Australian Survivors named Phoebe or Craig, and only turned on Flick after her terrible decision to tell El they were voting her out.

        Relaated: I have a student who looks like Flick probably did when she was 12 an I may have almost called her Flick in our last session.

    • Hornacek

      If you get on and there’s a chance of a tie you must mention “purple rock” at every opportunity.

      • Something Quirky

        Oh man, how amazing and awful would it be if there was a purple rock and I got it.

        • Hornacek

          What if you got it put it was a black rock? You’d have to throw it at Jeff and say “I only recognize a purple rock, Jeff.”

        • Alycia Swift

          Wouldn’t that mean you leave the game? I suppose you could post it for a million dollars on Facebook, like Jessica.

    • Something Quirky

      Sorry, I didn’t realise you couldn’t look at the different sections until you’d completed the first one!

  • tocantins

    Jay and Adam’s talk was the only good moment from the episode. The rest of it just felt like busywork. Jay is awesome, and I would be happy if he won; same to Adam, he seems like a really nice person, and his story is moving, even though he is a really bad Survivor player. (But still better than Hannah, argh.) Other than them I wouldn’t care much for anyone else winning.

    Hannah and Adam make up a pair of horrible Survivor players. In the first half, Adam says, “I have a hard decision now, should I vote for a harmless guy that is voting with me, or should I remove the biggest threat?” In the end, the decision was obvious: take out the guy that is never going to win at FTC over the most likely winner of the season.

    Then we get Hannah’s quote, “The people that can convince others to do what they say are the ones that win Survivor.” Then she decides to do what David told her to do and continues on her choice to take the person she just said is the type that wins Survivor all the way through the end.

  • sharculese

    Guys, roommate is now watching a webinar on the difference between millennials and Gen Xers in the workplace. The representative for millennials is named Hannah.

    • Prom King

      I’m very curious as to what this webinar says are the differences! Care to share?

      • sharculese

        I totally do not pay attention when my roommate watches webinars about working in human resources. My ears only pricked up when I heard “Hannah is a millennial.”

    • Hornacek

      Is the representative for GenXers Paul?

      • sharculese

        It was neither a webinar on boat repair nor on being generally awesome.

        • Hornacek

          Was it about covering ZZ Top?

          • sharculese

            No, that comes up very rarely in workplace conflict issues. ZZ Top cover resolution is a pretty advanced class.

    • DrVanNostrand

      This lowers my already rock bottom opinion of human resources.

      • sharculese

        I don’t know how I reached the place where my two closest friends both work in HR, but here I am.

  • Alycia Swift

    Hey I just noticed but I think this is the comment section since I’ve been posting here that’s broken 1000 comments.

    • Hornacek

      Which means I will get zero work done all day next Thursday.

      • Alycia Swift

        Ditto. And its killing me today.