Survivor Millennials vs Gen X Episode 8 Liveblog: “I’m the Kingpin”

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Matt has an irrational dislike for all contestants named Michel(l)e. Also if he ever takes a strong stance about why everyone else is wrong, it is he that is inevitably wrong.

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  • Vagabond

    Wow, I’ve never needed the escapism of Survivor as badly as I do tonight. I think this is a safe place to say that in my 29 years on this earth I’ve never been more enraged, sad, confused, and ashamed to be an American. As a white male, I’d just like to take a moment to apologize to all of you for what my demographic inflicted on the world yesterday.

    Welcome to Trump’s America everyone, and may god have mercy on your soul.

    I need a hug…

    • Ms_Woozah

      Virtual hugs to you and everyone here. Glad we have this tonight.

    • Ike1

      Also a white male; also ashamed, horrified, and disgusted. Is it just me or does this represent a big win for trolls, con artists, and reality TV villains? Who’s running for president next, Russell Hantz? Naonka? Ugh.

    • gouis

      We’re with you.

    • DrVanNostrand

      A lot of my family and friends live abroad and they’ve been telling foreigners all year that we’re messed up, but fundamentally decent people in the end. (As the saying goes, “You can always count on America to do the right thing… once all other options have been exhausted”). This has obliterated their defense.

    • Diego Armando

      I’m also a white man and am ashamed at us, I thought we were better than this and believe we can be. I feel like I should have done more, despite having little power.

      • Streets_Ahead

        I wouldn’t just blame white men. I know I didn’t vote for him. Looking at the numbers afterward. Old people are to blame for voting for Trump and a lot of young people are to blame for not voting. Regardless shameful for America.

        • Diego Armando

          I know at least one person who refused to vote because he disliked both of them. I told him that was voting for Trump, but he wouldn’t listen. I am shocked that my state of Michigan went red, but I take a small bit of splice in the fact that my county voted blue.

          • MsFjordstone

            Same here: my state went red, but my county voted blue. I’m a white woman who didn’t vote for Trump. I really, really, really wanted to write in Bernie, but I voted for Hillary to keep Trump from winning (or so I thought). I’m an election worker so I spent the entire day and evening being SHOCKED by who was showing up with Trump pins, tshirts, hats. People you’d never suspect of being heartless bigots.

          • Streets_Ahead

            Are you from Pennsylvania too?

          • MsFjordstone

            Yup. (I mean, I am *from* NY originally, but as of last year I have officially lived in PA more years of my life than in NY, so…yeah.) I’m in Chester County. You?

        • After reading an article about the electoral college, I had several students asked me, “If we don’t vote, will there be another presidential election for better candidates?” I had to say no, there isn’t a second election. I am convinced, though, that many did not vote based on that conversation.

          • StormofCuteness

            Terrifying and enraging.

      • the sky is falling

        Keep in mind that only 55% of the country voted and Hillary won the popular vote. A Trump win doesn’t at all mean that most of the country supports or agrees with him.

        • Hornacek

          But it does mean that 45% of the country couldn’t be bothered to vote, even knowing what an awful choice Trump would be if he won and what he would do if he got in office.

          • Something Quirky

            Holy shit. That’s a horrible statistic. On par with 66% of white women voting Trump.
            (Here voting is compulsory, though people still don’t do it, and in our last election some electorates had voting differences of only 200ish votes, and 500ish people didn’t vote, which makes me angry.)

          • Hornacek

            I have thought for a long time that it should be a rule that if you don’t vote in an election twice in a row you lose the chance to vote in future elections unless you go to City Hall (or the appropriate elections office) and request to have your name put back on the voters’ list.

          • indescribable hat

            Doesn’t this just make the problem worse? It feels like suspending students for truancy.

          • Hornacek

            Most people think of voting as a right they’re happy to have but don’t think too much about it. Tell them that they’ve lost that right because they didn’t use it? They’ll raise holy hell to get it back, and maybe they’ll use it next time.

            Just my opinion. There’s probably a reason I don’t have any actual power.

          • Something Quirky

            That’s good. Or even just one election without a good excuse. Though with some states’ stupid lack of early voting there probably are many good excuses.

          • Hornacek

            Considering only 55% of the voters actually voted, part of me wants the U.S. to go down in flames and those 45% can realize “Oh crap, maybe I should have voted to prevent this from happening.”

            Unfortunately, the U.S. is the biggest (and only?) superpower in the world, so what happens to it affects every other country, so all of us non-Americans should be pulling for the U.S. to succeed. And I worry about those that are going to be negatively affected in the next 4 years (and maybe next generation with Supreme Court pics).

    • StormofCuteness

      I am equally horrified as a white woman (though I am bisexual so also part of LBGTQA) at how a majority of white women voted for *shudder* “them”. I’m about to turn 50 and feel like I’ve been fighting these same fights my entire life. Apparently all those protests I’ve attended, all the political involvement, all of it, still isn’t enough….but but but I am so grateful to know how many of us feel the same way. That has to give us hope. We won’t become them.

      So, hugs, and YAY, Survivor’s edit didn’t give it away tonight!

  • the sky is falling

    At least on survivor, if you win the popular vote you still win… too soon?

    • jersey_luck

      Wait until John Oliver does a segment on the electoral college

      • Alycia Swift

        I actually had to explain it to my assistant today. She’s from China.

        I also had to explain – call your insurance company after a car accident.

        • Something Quirky

          I had to have it explained to me during this electoral cycle that you can get the most votes and not win.
          (*reminder that I’m foreign)

          • Hornacek

            Gerald Ford’s head: “Frankly, I’ve never felt voting to be all that essential to the process.”

          • Something Quirky

            I just don’t understand how that can be called democracy.

    • Kingoftonga

      I was about to say the second vote was Survivor’s version of the Electoral College, but at least the second vote has never been a deciding factor in who goes home.

    • Streets_Ahead

      Tell that to Andrew Savage

  • sharculese

    So we can start calling Hannah “bad Aubrey” at this point, can’t we?

    • the sky is falling

      Done and done.

    • jersey_luck

      I thought we were all calling her that already

    • Vagabond

      I’m not opposed to it, but doesn’t that name imply the woman who lost to Michelle was good?

      • sharculese

        Aubrey was good. Playing a smart, strategic game just isn’t all there is to winning. Not being great doesn’t mean you’re not good.

        • the sky is falling

          My memory may be flawed, but I remember Aubrey pretty much running shit on her season

          • sharculese

            She ran a lot of shit, but she apparently was really bad at making social connections and making it clear to the jury how she was running shit. And that matters.

          • Other Scott

            I still claim the main reasons she didn’t win weren’t anything to do with gameplay, but a) the jury always roots for the underdog, and b) the jocks and the cheerleaders aren’t gonna vote for the nerd girl.

            I don’t think there’s real gameplay to slam her for and Jason is just making stuff up after the fact.

          • sharculese

            You can’t guess what the jury is going to vote for, but, as much as I hate the whole “big moves” philosophy, in this case, Aubrey probably needed a big move, something that was her move and nobody else’s, to push herself over the top and she didn’t deliver.

          • Other Scott

            Like flipping Tai and getting him to not save Scot with his idol half? How about shooting Debbie in the back? Aubry’s problem was not lack of big moves.

          • Streets_Ahead

            Aubry was scene as indecisive by Julia and Scot after the cross out voted so they never connected with her personally and it made them view her game play as indecisive. She never recovered.

          • Other Scott

            And I tend to think of that as an excuse for not giving a win to a type of person they don’t really respect. I mean they were using stuff like “She had Joe in her pocket so that’s a strike against her” as if it was a bad thing.

          • Alycia Swift

            She was. But the others claimed they did not see it (and Cydney was pissed that she was voted out when she was actually voting Aubry out). It really was the jocks not wanting to reward a Brain that bested them.

      • gouis

        Damn that’s some shade.

        (also correct)

      • DrVanNostrand

        She was good. She just didn’t win. Lots of players played games that were good, but not good enough to win. Cirie comes to mind. Boston Rob 2 times comes to mind. I could go on.

        • Vagabond

          Agree completely with the premise that losing doesn’t make you a bad player. I won’t get into all the reasons why she sucked, honestly that horse has been beaten to death. Suffice to say that her losing to Michelle is not the only argument to be made against her Survivor acumen.

    • Alycia Swift

      I’m opposed to calling anyone “bad” anything. Not when the women are almost gone.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I don’t know why this is the episode to start that. I thought she did fine tonight.

      • sharculese

        Yeah… this is the problem with the live blog in multiple time zones. It becomes a place to snark about what you’e seeing, and I posted this like five minutes into the episode when Hannah was in full on panic mode and seemed to have no clue.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Ahh, fair enough.

          • sharculese

            Also, by that point I had been drunk for six hours because, well, you can guess why.

      • Diego Armando

        This was her only good episode since the premiere.

    • Saturday Night Palsy

      We could do a hashtag for it. Like the one we have for #CaucasianWoo.

      • No. That’s a “you” hashtag, not a “we” hashtag.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          I think it’s starting to get very popular though, Barbara. The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, wastoids, dweebies, dickheads – they all adore it. They think it’s a righteous hashtag.

        • Hornacek

          “you” or “u”?

    • Mike Hirsch

      One thing I will say: when *Hannah* is telling Adam to relax, we are really through the looking glass.

    • After watching the episode, she does seem to be closer to Shirin than Aubry. Hannah does have good reads on the situation and has developed into being a decent narrator.

      FYI: Did anyone kinda go “What?!” during Zeke’s confessional that he has the lowdown about Vanua, Adam has the lowdown about Takali, and Hannah has talked to Jay who has the lowdown about Ika Bula? Dude, she was there too. Just because she got blindsided once does not mean that her reliability goes out the window.

      • Hornacek

        Considering Hannah knew nothing about the Michaela vote-out until after it was over, maybe she needed to talk to Jay to get the lowdown of what was going on on that tribe. Because apparently she didn’t know it before the Michaela vote.

        • That is a valid point, but that decision only really happened right before TC. Up until then, she was good with the dynamics of Ika Bula.

          • Hornacek

            Right, but it happened and Jay and Will decided to keep Hannah in the dark about it. We never saw her being included in anything on that tribe. She probably had knowledge about personal stuff, but alliances and strategic information? I don’t know about that.

          • That is true. Ika Bula is kinda the mystery tribe of the three post swap tribes

          • Hornacek

            Since they were the last ones to go to tribal, we didn’t really see a lot of them until their tribal episode.

            A lot of people are saying that Hannah wants revenge for Michaela because they were so close. But were they? I don’t remember seeing any scenes where they bonded or talked, except for where Michaela told her to shut up and do what she said in that challenge (but she added that she loved Hannah).

            Based on how Hannah changed her vote, and the secret scene of the two of them praying together, I would say that Hannah was closer with Michelle than with Michaela. Of course, she wasn’t with Michelle since the swap, so it was just that she was Michaela more recently?

          • There was a scene after Mari’s boot and before the swap where Adam was talking to Hannah and Michaela together, but other than that, I don’t remember any other scenes. I think she was closer to Michelle, which is why I theorized last week that her and Michelle could be the swing votes, and we saw that this week.

          • Hornacek

            In her exit interview (EW.com?) Michelle said she was most upset about Hannah turning on her with this vote, because of how they hung out and prayed together in the early days.

            Maybe Hannah and Michaela were super-tight and besties post-swap. But the show didn’t show us that.

          • So, I wonder if the show is trying to protect Hannah now…hmm….

          • Hornacek

            Wait, are you saying that the show would make changes in order to protect one player? Where is the shocked-face emoji?

          • I should have said that the editing is trying to protect Hannah, which also isn’t out of the norm.

          • Hornacek

            Ah, that makes sense. Plus it doesn’t hurt to have her tell Adam “Hey, you need to calm down.”

  • sharculese

    Are we getting points for Adam’s advantage?

    Also, next season, can I just be ineligible from the fantasy league and play pretend judge on these weird calls? Because that would be more fun for me.

    • Other Scott

      Oh, why didn’t I apply for that job. I have a large enough sample size to know I suck at fantasy.

      • sharculese

        If we can pull in one more person it could totally be a three judge panel. My vision is that we invite solutions from the crowd, snark on them, and then vote on how things go.

        • andythesaint

          You just described our decision making process on most things.

          • sharculese

            THEN MAKE IT TRANSPARENT. YOU KNOW WE COME HERE FOR THE SNARK! MORE NOW THAN EVER, AS THE DARK TIMES APPROACH.

          • andythesaint

            I gotta say, I really don’t know how I’m going to manage my usual trollish ways for the time being. We’ll see how it goes. But I definitely don’t feel like doing my usual smug Canadian shtick right now. No one needs that.

          • Diego Armando

            Thank you. I know I really don’t want this rubbed in our face, especially since a lot of people here did everything in their power to try and prevent this.

        • Other Scott

          Yes let’s do it! Maybe Andy since he’s retired?

          • I could join if no one else is interested.

          • sharculese

            I thought of you but thought you wouldn’t want to quit playing the league to do it.

          • We’ll see how I do this season. Of course, Season 34 may be the perfect time to take a hiatus from Fantasy League.

    • andythesaint

      I’m a neutral party, but I’d say that he’d get the reward points that go with the reward. And the person he stole from does not get the point. He steals the point.

      • sharculese

        I’m not a neutral party, but I think that’s a fair an sensible way of handling it.

        • I’m okay with that…it makes perfect sense to me.

        • andythesaint

          There is precedence: when you steal a vote, you’d get the VTEP associated with that vote (provided, you know, anyone could ever successfully steal a vote and use it to vote someone out).

      • Hornacek

        What could make a man turn neutral?

    • Violina23

      A part of me says if you’re stupid enough to use it, you should get the points, because chances are, you’re going to be leaving the game soon.

  • Alycia Swift

    I’m watching this live for the first time in ages.

    Bret please say something.

    Adam – no, no, no!

  • Kemper Boyd

    I hate watching live. Adverts ruin this.

    • sharculese

      Ugh, they’re called commercials. 😛

      • Kemper Boyd

        are they?? what are they commericalments for? they are advertisements.

        • sharculese

          commercial advertisements

          • Kemper Boyd

            but they aren’t always commerical are they? charities have them, so do politicians…

          • sharculese

            I like how something that started as me teasing you has now turned into you legit arguing this. But also, yeah, etymology is complicated.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I’m staying on brand dude…

          • sharculese

            how commercial of you

          • Kemper Boyd

            it’s how advert of me…

          • turgid_legume

            I avert my eyes from inadvertently adventuring upon the advent of an adverse pun thread, as adventitious adverbs are my adversity.

          • andythesaint

            They’re all commercials. No need to sub-divide.

          • Kemper Boyd

            BUT THEY AREN’T COMMERCIAL! THEY ARE ADVERTISEMENTS.

          • andythesaint

            I CAN’T IMAGINE CARING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE!

          • Kemper Boyd

            I DON’T CARE BUT SHARCY STARTED IT

          • sharculese

            IT WAS A RIFF ON YOUR WHOLE SOCCER/FOOTBALL THING

          • Kemper Boyd

            THAT ONE I WILL ALWAYS DEFEND.

          • andythesaint

            You care. You ALWAYS care.

          • Kemper Boyd

            MAYBE I DO, MAYBE I DON’T. MAYBE I’M JUST A HUGE PEDANT.

      • Hornacek

        Not blipverts?

    • Alycia Swift

      Well I do other stuff then like post here.. I just needed to smile so live is ok. And I’m taking a break from working on a brief.

      • Kemper Boyd

        it’s 1.24am so not much to do in between.

        • Something Quirky

          Wait, how are you watching live at 1:24am?

          • Kemper Boyd

            time differences… and a stream.

          • Something Quirky

            Tell me more of this watery goodness…

          • Kemper Boyd

            I googled “stream cbs online free” and the second result played me CBS online for free.

          • American medication adverts are horrifying, right?

          • Something Quirky

            I’ve streamed before, but never got a live one. I shall try again more.

          • Online streaming (my method also).

          • Something Quirky

            I didn’t realise there were places where it could be streamed live. I’m disappointed in myself for not researching further.

          • There are not legal places.

          • Something Quirky

            My downloading isn’t legal, either, but it keeps telling me my VPN says I’m in Nedlands, and I’m in a suburb like 25 minutes from there so I figure it’ll take them a while to get to me =P

      • sharculese

        Is it Skyrim? Because when i was catching up with old seasons, Skyrim was what I did to make challenges bearable.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I start watching at 8:20 so I can avoid commercials, but join the chat semi-promptly.

    • Something Quirky

      My download was American for the first time in ages, so I got the gift of seeing the hashtags.

      • sharculese

        Did you get that one Target commercial with the spotted Great Dane? Because I died when I saw that.

        • Something Quirky

          The commercials aren’t in it, but I’ll be googling that! My neighbour had some Great Danes and they were lovely, especially when they tried to climb up on the couch to sit with you.

          • sharculese

            Yeah, in my experience, great Danes are terrible at realizing they’re not lap dogs.

            Suzy 90 lb Australian shepherd mix you’ve seen featured, is also fond of climbing up on the couch, but she doesn’t want to sit with people and if you try, she’s likely to growl at you. My parents also have this big circular ottoman she likes to sit on, and it looks like she’s on a pedestal.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Can you strain your ribs? I feel like I sprained my ribs.
    Also I missed up to Taylor taking the jars the dumb dumb, miss anything important?

    • Alycia Swift

      Yes you can sprain/strain, bruise and fracture or break your ribs. You can also sprain/strain muscles around the ribs. I did not answer this before because for some reason you were talking about something on the show as I misread your question.

      If it still hurts, go get it checked.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I think it’s my office chair, because it’s getting progressively worse to the point I mainly feel it when I go to sleep.

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    I want to take a minute to say that I love this community. I have had one of the worst 24 hours in my life. I’m a gay, Jewish, public defender woman, and I don’t feel safe with Trump or Pence in the White House. I feel abandoned by my country, and I’m scared for my clients. The VP is someone who has made a career of targeting gay people. I’ve been an optimist nearly my entire life because i believe in the good in people, but yesterday has shaken me to my core. I am grieving.

    But going on twitter, coming here, reading your comments, seeing you guys being so supportive – it has made me cry and made me feel so much less alone. I can’t tell you how much it means to me. It’s allowing me to be some form of me for an hour. Thank you.

    • Kemper Boyd

      This is what the internet is for, people finding each other. I’m serious about this community because it’s amazingly intelligent and supportive and people here rule (you very much included).

      • Kingoftonga

        I don’t know if John and Andy intended this to become the progressive hangout for Survivor fans, but I’m glad it’s ended up that way. I don’t know if I could stomach discussing Survivor on some of the other sites tonight.

        • Purplerockmatt

          It became this because you people made it that. We were happy to welcome it, but this was community built. We joke in staff chat how surprised we are that we are the progressive Survivor site, but we also don’t shy from the designation

        • Alycia Swift

          Me either.

      • gouis

        PRP 4eva.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        Must be really dusty in here, I’m not crying, YOU’RE CRYING.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I’ve cried. The last 16 months have been hard politically and it’s just going to be on going. This is the 5th thing I’ve seen go badly since May 2015. the 5th thing that leads to to think “well we’re all fucked”. We aren’t, we’ll survive but it will be worse. I’m honestly so sorry EASIBK so sorry, I know you’ve got a proper wedding and a future planned that is now looking far less stable than it was on Monday but know that there is more love for you than there could be hate. Even if some of it comes from a chick sitting at her desk in London who has never set eyes on you in real life.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Knowing that is the one of the only things that’s keeping me going in my day to day. This really is an oasis right now. Your comments have more meaning to me than I can articulate – I’m getting a little choked up (hence my first response). I’m sorry, too – I’m sorry it’s been so hard. I’m just glad we can be here for each other, even if it’s time zones away

        • Mike Hirsch

          All that damn dust! We should all really clean our places better!

        • Hornacek

          What is this salty discharge?

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        Livetweeting with you guys tonight was the first time I’ve smiled and laughed in 24 hours. It’s pretty amazing to have people posting how they’ve got your back. I’m just so grateful.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          I almost just went to the bar to do some professional level drinking and crying. Glad I stuck around.

    • Alycia Swift

      Agreed 100%. We are similar in some ways (profession and ethnicity).

    • sharculese

      Those trashfuckers are not all there is to this country. I don’t know how we’ll weather their reign, but we will.

      • Vagabond

        Oooh I like that. I usually call them human garbage but I think I’ll be borrowing your term.

      • Diego Armando

        We will attack at midterm.

        • sharculese

          *sigh* we won’t

          • Gerrymandering and ongoing voter suppression make it increasingly difficult to do so.

          • Diego Armando

            We have to try

    • Vagabond

      Hang in there. While this is a big setback there are still many in this country who value and respect all people. Hopefully the DNC will learn a valuable lesson from this about not shoving hand picked candidates down the electorates throat and we will all come back stronger than ever in the next cycle!

      • Diego Armando

        The Tea Party came to power after Obama took office; maybe an analog will form now.

        • Hornacek

          Coffee Party!!!

          • MsFjordstone

            Bernie’s from Vermont (by way of Brooklyn), so maybe we could call it the Hard Cider Party. I could get behind that.

          • Hornacek

            We can get some cider at the old mill!

          • MsFjordstone

            “Yeah!” “(mumble grumble)” “(rassa frassa)” “(shaking of fists)”

          • Hornacek

            Shake harder, boy!

    • gouis

      We’re with you EASIB

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        Thank you – I can’t tell you how much it means to me. It’s helping me cope.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I worry about my LGBT, Muslim, and Hispanic friends as well. Frankly, anyone who isn’t a white dude. He was an ugly candidate who harnessed the ugliest qualities of America. I only hope we can keep the damage he does to a minimum.

      • Streets_Ahead

        Pretty sure white dudes should worry too. I know I’m incredibly worried.

      • Diego Armando

        We endured a civil war, we endured Nixon, we insured 9/11, we endured W, we can endure this clown. We will protect those who are vulnerable and show them what real Americans are.

        • Hornacek

          The thing is, it’s not just enduring 4 (please only 4) years of Trump. He will get to appoint 1-3 Supreme Court judges in his term. He could destroy women’s right, LGBTQ rights, minority rights for a generation.

          One of the judges on his list he provided a few months ago said “Roe v Wade was the worst legal decision in U.S. history.” Really???

          • MsFjordstone

            Yeah, I have friends saying the same kind of thing — “the sun will still come up tomorrow!” — and I have to keep reminding them of those finer points: some of your friends may have the legality of their marriages reversed, some of your friends may lose the right to control their own reproductive rights, someone you know may see their loved ones thrown out of the country, etc. etc.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            This is what scares me the most. My fiancee and I haven’t had the talk yet, but we do have to seriously consider expediting our marriage, given what he’s said about the Supreme Court. Stare Decisis should protect us, but there is absolutely no certainty right now. Not with a radical shift in the Court, which is now pretty likely.

          • MsFjordstone

            {{{{{{{ EmAndScoutinBK }}}}}}} I wish you and your fiancee the very best, lots of love, health, prosperity, and *safety* in this brave new Trumpworld. 🙁

          • Diego Armando

            I would bump it up, but remember that the justices who struck down DOMA are still there. I wish you and your fiancé all the love in the world.

          • indescribable hat

            If there’s anything I can pin my hopes on, it’s the immortality of RBG.

          • Diego Armando

            I have to keep believing things will work so I don’t collapse into tears. I hate this so much.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            This. I’m sure I’m still in the bargaining stage, but to me if (big if!) there’s a silver lining it’s that clearly the only thing Trump really cares about is attention and the adulation of his audience, and now that his audience is all of the country instead of the GOP primary voters, maybe he changes his tune.

            Not to mention that so much of what he promised is simply impossible (wall paid for by Mexico, ban Muslims, shake down NATO partners), even if he was willing to go to the mattresses to accomplish them (which he isn’t).

            Now that’s small comfort given Attorney General Guliani, Justice Palin, EPA head Inhofe, etc. etc.

            Fuck, 1:00pm Pacific and now I’m out of Maker’s Mark.

        • sharculese

          Nixon had a solid Dem majority in both houses and the Brennan Court as checks on him.

    • Violina23

      Maybe I’m naive, but I still feel like the vast majority of this country contains good people. I wouldn’t presume to tell anybody how to process their feelings, but I will say — I think each generation is becoming more and more tolerant and accepting. My kids’ first wedding was a gay wedding (in Brooklyn ;-)).

      To quote Lin-Manuel Miranda “Love is love is love is love…”

      Sending love to all of you.

      The election rhetoric is over and the reality of actually governing will hopefully lead to calmer days. I’m going to try to be positive, but you can damn well be sure that if anyone tries to take rights away from ANY group of people, I will speak up. We’ve got your backs.

      • The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. (But damn, there are some absolutely *devastating* setbacks along the way.)

      • Something Quirky

        Your kid is of marrying age?!? Holy shit we’ve been doing this forever.

        • Violina23

          Ha!!!! Thanks, I needed that 🙂

    • Diego Armando

      I have been in shell shock for most of the day. We are all in this together and we cannot let fear rule us. You can’t stop progress and we will create a future free from those monsters.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        We are in this together. You have no idea what this oasis and your comments mean to me right now.

    • StormofCuteness

      I just read your comment out loud to my fiance. We just watched Survivor after he’d baked some amazing homemade cookies so that we could start to feel like maybe, just maybe we could get through today. Thank you for your honesty and for saying what I’m feeling and for being part of this PRP community that is an oasis in the insanity for me. I know I’m newish here, but I hope you know I support you and love reading your comments.

      • sharculese

        SoC, between here and the Drag Race comments over at The AV Club I don’t think anyone counts you as new-ish. You’ve been here and you’re part of the family.

        • StormofCuteness

          Aww, thank you, Sharculese. I hope you’ll forgive me for thinking you were a woman until I got over here though. I think it’s kind of awesome that I seriously couldn’t tell and also sad that I am so literal with avatars.

          • sharculese

            lol don’t worry about it; I don’t care. I started using Hayley Williams as my avatar because I think she’s hot, the gender confusion thing it causes in a certain type of dude is an added bonus. There’s a website that has a whole meme about GENDER FRAUD because of me.

          • StormofCuteness

            That would be a fantastic user name!

          • Mike Hirsch

            I used to do a similar thing with Rifftrax and Karen Gillan.

          • Hornacek

            Wait – you’re not Milla Jovovich from The Fifth Element???

          • indescribable hat

            I still forget sometimes! I get very stuck on avatars and still picture John as Archer.

          • StormofCuteness

            I’m glad I’m not alone in this!

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        Thank you so much – this really is an oasis. Your and others comments are what’s helping me cope and getting me through this right now.

    • Prom King

      This comment made my night, which is especially good because I’m finding it hard to sleep because of yesterday, and it’s like 2 am. I should drink myself to sleep! Anyway, I feel the same about having my optimism shaken, feeling abandoned, scared for my clients, etc. And I feel the same about this group of people.

      Although work stuff means I’m not watching episodes until hours after everyone else this season, sad sigh.

      • indescribable hat

        I watch late too! I feel you on election despair and delayed-Survivor bummed-out-ness.

    • Black Dynamite

      I’m still in kind of a daze. I feel lost, along with frightened. The more I think about what happened and how Trump’s America will affect me, I just get more down. As a black man in this country, there was already anxiety that events in my life can turn tragic. That’s only become a more intense feeling in the aftermath of the Election. But no longer how lost and scared I am, I’m not alone. This community in particular have been a bright light. I feel the same way as you. The support has warmed my heart and helped me maintain a sense of hope. I love this place and the people who inhabit it.

      • Hornacek

        I am worried that members of the KKK (who endorsed Trump, and that didn’t stop voters from electing him) will feel emboldened and show up at his inauguration.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        My thoughts exactly – I love this oasis, this place, and the people here, including you. I know there’s no softening what’s happened – it’s truly scary. I’m sorry that you’re going through this. I can only do what those here have done – offer support and love in this space. And know that I will spend my life fighting.

        • Black Dynamite

          I greatly appreciate it and I also will do my part to fight for a better tomorrow. We will not be defeated.

      • StormofCuteness

        What I realized is that I so wanted the election over because 2016 had been so traumatizing that I wanted to get back to some sense of normal, and now, there’s no rest, no way to move forward without fear. I know action, love, and kindness must win, but I am already exhausted from 50 years of fighting the good fight.

        So, yeah, this oasis and these people and you make it all a bit less daunting. *hugs*

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I’m the same age as you, and while I still firmly believe that the moral arc of the universe bends towards justice and all that, it’s just so exhausting to slowly take two steps forward, suddenly take 1.9 steps back, rinse, repeat…

          • StormofCuteness

            To be honest this feels more like having to go back a hundred miles, doesn’t it?

            I’m with you on the exhaustion though.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Like the longest chute in Chutes and Ladders, except not a kid’s game.

        • Black Dynamite

          *hugs*

    • Something Quirky

      If you’re on the AV Club, feel free to drop by the comment section on the last Community review. There are many people (gay, straight, bi, white, brown, canadian) feeling the same way as you, and if you need to vent we’ll all support you.
      (Not to take anything away from this site and it’s amazing people!)

      • Purple Rock Emma

        Damn, that comment section is still going?

        • Something Quirky

          We just really want that pizza party Todd mentioned.

    • Walking around my (admittedly pretty liberal) college campus yesterday, I could tell the mood was extremely somber, but there was somewhat of a comfort in knowing that so many people understood the gravity of what just happened, and are willing to help out in whatever ways they can. Trump has made me feel unnerved as a Jew in the US for the first time in my life, but thanks to real-life friends and communities like this, I’m feeling a lot better than I otherwise could have. There are a lot of things that hurt right now (not to mention well over a year of campaigning for Hillary, only to come up short), but I’m slowly being reassured of the goodness of the vast majority of people in this country.

      • sharculese

        I was talking to my brother about this the other day, and what I sad was that being Jewish in America means you’re white 95% of the time, which makes that other 5% incredibly jarring. I kind of got used to/more aware of it because I’m half Jewish and my dad’s parents are rabidly anti-Semitic, so I can’t imagine how it feels facing that for the first time.

        • In my case, I went from a high school that’s about 20% Jewish to a college that’s about 25% Jewish, both located in very blue counties (though in states that voted for Trump), so I don’t feel particularly concerned for my immediate safety. In general, it’s the idea that anti-Semites in this country feel empowered that really concerns me.

          • sharculese

            You’re gonna find out in the next couple weeks who has your back and who doesn’t. Knowing who has your back is the most important part. And I’m gonna be honest, you might come out of it stronger, but you’re more likely to come out of it scarred.

            Just remember that this is like the thousandth time people have wanted to wipe us out. We’ll persist again.

          • indescribable hat

            My experience is kind of in between the two of you. I’ve always lived places where there are very few Jews, but never perceived much anti-Semitism in my environs. Now I’m wondering how many people were holding their tongues and how much I missed by not being visibly Jewish. I’m visiting family in a very Jewish area this weekend and looking forward to not wondering if the white people who smile at me in public would smile if they knew. I feel like a crazy person.

      • indescribable hat

        Today I’ve been stuck on how a year ago I didn’t know people still used the word kike, and now I’ve seen it over and over again. Then I go on Facebook and feel like a self-centered baby because so many of my friends have more reason to be afraid, and then I scroll further and see another fucking graffiti swastika. I am trying to pull myself together so I can be useful, but it’s touch and go here.

        • That’s kind of how I’m feeling. I know many other groups are going to have it much worse, but I also know that things are going to be worse for Jews than they have been in the past. I feel a little strange worrying about my safety when, for the most part, I’m thought of as a white male, but all of a sudden everything feels really different.

          • indescribable hat

            I’m also concerned for myself as a disabled woman, but it’s the anti-Semitic stuff that I’m having the most visceral reaction to. I’m just so unused to it, and I’m not sure what it means yet.

      • MsFjordstone

        Yeah, I am feeling it, too, even though I live in one of the largest Jewish population centers in the world (Philadelphia; I think we’re currently #6 on the list of cities with most Jews). Of course, we are also the city that awoke on Wednesday — the 78th anniversary of Kristallnacht — to a building newly graffitied with a swastika and that most famous Nazi slogan. One of the chief ironies in all of this is that the antisemites are feeling empowered by the election of a guy with an Orthodox Jewish daughter, son-in-law, and grandchildren.

        • I’m also in Philadelphia, and I really can’t believe what happened here. I’m not going to pretend to have any idea what’s going to happen over the next few months and years, but I can say that my country seems to be moving in a direction I never thought it would.

          • MsFjordstone

            It’s pretty f-in’ concerning. But still, I’m more worried about friends in other minorities (recently married gay couples, people with inconvenient last names, etc. etc.). 🙁

  • the sky is falling

    The only good way to use Adams special reward is to give it to someone else to curry favor.

    • Kemper Boyd

      that or not tell anyone and use it at like final 5 or even final 4 if the reward is advantage. Can you do that?

      • the sky is falling

        We are getting overloaded on secret rewards

        • Kemper Boyd

          yes, I agree. Too many.

          • Alycia Swift

            This one is sort of dumb though … unless you use it for good … to give someone a reward.

          • Kemper Boyd

            or as I say if you can use it at 4 and get a final immunity advantage/practice etc.

          • jersey_luck

            Yeah but Adam isn’t getting to the final four

    • Alycia Swift

      OMG this merge is fun.

    • gouis

      Literally the worst advantage of all time.

      • the sky is falling

        WRONG! Medallion of power. #neverforget

        • gouis

          But this is an obvious disadvantage.

          • the sky is falling

            Yeah, not sure who in their right Mind
            would use it, good thing Adam will be gone soon, really bad week for him

      • Alkanarra

        My first thought when I saw it was “maybe he can plant it in someone else’s bag and they’ll be dumb enough to play it.”

    • Hornacek

      If he uses it to take away Jay’s/Taylor’s/Will’s reward, that might be ok, especially if it’s a reward that could help them win immunity. I mean, none of them are probably gonna vote for Adam in the FTC anyway, so who cares if he takes their reward?

    • Something Quirky

      They might not see it as a good thing, like now they have a horrible advantage, and someone else knows about it.

  • sharculese

    Oh god, Zeke just said “coterie.” That’s like crack for me.

    • Kemper Boyd

      my stream crashed. What was Jay’s reaction to Taylor spilling on Adam?

      • Alycia Swift

        Talking about getting Adam out. Will thinks he has to win immunity.

        • Kemper Boyd

          so Adam’s safe though right? this isn’t his boot episode.

          • Alycia Swift

            If Zeke tells him, maybe .. he’ll flip.

          • Kemper Boyd

            hmmmmmm. I loved Jay completely misreading that all Millennials were completely solid though.

          • Alycia Swift

            Yes, the same misread that Mikayla had.

            Why do Survivor players always think that a huge group of people are completely solid and that people on the bottom, who know they are on the bottom, will always accept that?

    • Purple Rock Emma

      It was legit one of my SAT words in high school.

      • sharculese

        You fell into the mid-SAT period right?

        Was that a teacher or something you got from a company? Because, as terrible as sentence completions was (seriously, I’m so glad it’s gone), I still can’t fathom ‘coterie’ showing up as a test word.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          I didn’t take any prep courses, but our teacher had vocab words every day. I have no idea what you mean by the mid-SAT period. My test was out of 2400, if that helps.

          • sharculese

            Yeah, the 2400 point test with the fill-in-the-blank sentences. Those were the hardest thing to teach and I’m so glad they’re gone.

          • Man, my only exposure to the SAT was when Conan O’Brien would do SAT analogies. I got lucky by taking the ACT, although I took it 7 times.

          • sharculese

            Analogies got axed in 2004, the version Emma took was the replacement, which had questions where there was a word missing and you had to pick which answer filled it in.

            The ACT really was confined to the middle of the country until about 10 years ago, but it’s slowly spread out and now is by far the more popular test. The only reason to take the SAT now is if you really hate reading graphs or like tricky math puzzles.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            But I hate reading graphs and hate tricky math puzzles. (Guess what my worst section on the SATs was?)

          • sharculese

            ACT graph reading is actually not that bad once you learn the skills. And the math section is significantly easier.

            Plus the SAT has graphs now, too.

          • Diego Armando

            Reading?

          • I am a bit shocked by the popularity of the ACT.

          • sharculese

            I’m not. The SAT is based on old military IQ tests, and, while it’s moved away from that, it’s still in the tests DNA. The ACT is designed much more to be a test of your knowledge of high school subjects. That’s more appealing to a lot of students.

          • If only they would modify the science section.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            In the SF Bay Area, at least, the default is still the SAT unless you have some special reason to take the ACT (my kid will be taking the SAT next year). I don’t know but would assume that it’s because the bulk of the kids are applying to UCs and/or CSUs, and that they favor the SAT.

            The other thing about the SAT’s origins (correct me if I’m wrong) is that the original thinking was that the only way to test students’ school-independent aptitude was to avoid testing the same kinds of things the kids are tested in school, and in the same way they are tested. Thus things like the analogy section. But in practice that led to more and more gotcha questions that only really measured how much SAT prep you took. The party line is that the 2016 redesign moves more toward straight-up knowledge of high school subjects, but it sounds like it’s more of a capitulation to the ACT.

          • sharculese

            That’s interesting to know. My company doesn’t have a lot of penetration into California, we’re mostly an East Coast firm. I didn’t know there were still places the SAT was still holding firm. Here, in the southeast, it’s gone from being 95% of the market 10 years ago to maybe 20% now.

            The history of the SAT is a little more complicated, and a little darker. There are legit arguments towards what you’re talking about, but it happened to show up at a time when there was a surge in applications to elite schools from shall we say not the “right” kind of people, and they needed a quantifiable reason to exclude the “wrong” kind of people. The SAT provided that. The ACT never had that problem because the state schools in the Midwest it was servicing just didn’t have those issues.

            One of the big reasons analogies were scrapped was that they turned out to be really geared towards rich white people stuff, and years of pointing that out scared College Board into getting rid of them. The SSAT, an unaffiliated test for getting into private high schools, is the only one that still uses analogies, and they’re unapologetic about their test being elitist.

            The problem is, the test they replaced them with was worse and more confusing.

            The line from College Board on the re-redesign is definitely what you say it is, but… that’s basically saying let’s make a more ACT-like test. And the new SAT doesn’t even accomplish that, because they decided to make the math section all about clever tricks through algebra problems.

            My view is that basically, there’s not a right way to make a test that judges fitness for college. There’s a bunch of different ways, and we should make them all available.

            That said, I don’t know how strong the UC system’s pro-SAT bias is, or what school’s your kid is looking at, but if you have any questions about which test is better for him or her, feel free to hit me up. I’d be happy to answer.

          • sharculese

            Also, seriously, hit me up on that last part. The SAT has changed a lot since you took it, and I’m the person who will tell you what that means for free.

          • turgid_legume

            That’s so weird. When I was in high school everything was about the SAT, and the ACT was just this minor thing that you only had to worry about if you were applying to certain colleges. This was forever ago, early 90s. Definitely still on the 1600 scale. Is the current SAT still taken with paper and pencil or did they move it to a computer?

          • sharculese

            I took the SAT in 2004, one of the last classes to take the old-school test.

            I misspoke earlier, it was 2006 when analogies went away, as part of a general redesign to make the SAT seem less like an aptitude test (the “a” in SAT used to stand for ‘aptitude,’ they cut that too and now, officially, SAT doesn’t actually mean anything). The problem was they went to a 2400 point scale (critical reading, writing, and math) that confused colleges used to evaluating a 1600 point test, which made it easier to just say yes to students who would rather take the ACT. So that created a snowball effect where more students started taking it and in 2014 the ACT officially overtook it as the more popular test.

            In response the SAT announced a re-redesign that involved them going back to a 1600 point scale and straight up ripping off the ACT English section as their new writing section. But they shot themselves in the foot, by going to a weird system where math is still scored out of 800, but you get a maximum of 40 points each in reading and writing, which are then added together and multiplied by 10 to get your 800 point score. So everyone is confused, colleges don’t know what to do, and almost nobody is taking the SAT now.

          • sharculese

            Oh, also yes. I’m convinced the SAT, ACT, and LSAT will be the last tests to go to computer, if they ever do. (The ACT at least lets you write your essay in pen.)

          • turgid_legume

            Far out. I took the GRE some time around 99/2000 and it was done on a computer so I figured that the ACT/SAT folks had gotten their shit together by then. But then again they are taken by a lot more people and I guess maybe having that many computers would be an issue? Or something.

          • sharculese

            Yeah, GRE has been computerized for forever I think there probably are logistical issues with having enough computers for the college tests, I think LSAT just won’t do it.

          • Diego Armando

            I took the ACT. I don’t remember much about it.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            Sharc mentioned that, but when I (well, we, as we’re the same age) were in school, the coasts didn’t really do the ACT. People in my class generally only took it if they were applying to midwestern schools, and had to sign up for the test at a different high school.

          • I wonder why SAT reigns supreme over ACT in that regard.

          • sharculese

            It was older and more established. The ACT was only created in the 40s in Iowa, and took a long time to spread out. The big name schools in the northeast weren’t interested in it, so that set the tone. And since people on the coasts were used to taking the SAT, it didn’t really occur to them to have their kids take a different test (my dad, who is from Illinois, never thought to suggest we try it).

            Probably the turning point was the shift to the 2400 point test, but over the last ten years people have been turning more and more to the ACT as a frustrations with the SAT.

          • Interesting. Since I live and teach in the Midwest, I have only encountered one student who took the SAT instead of the ACT.

          • Hornacek

            Is this the nerdiest thread ever on this site?

          • Not even close.

          • indescribable hat

            I feel like the times we just quote Teen Girl Squad back and forth for a while deserve consideration.

          • Hornacek

            I think the SAT trumps that in nerdiness.

          • I took both and I did significantly preferred the SAT. I really hated the ACT “science” section. In retrospect, perhaps that was the first indication that I should major in political science instead of biochemistry (which, thankfully, I realized before I went to college).

          • indescribable hat

            The ACT seemed like a sort of bizarre alternative to me, but I remember a lot of my schools (in the Northeast) accepted either. I guess we were on the edge.

    • Hornacek

      What word will Zeke use next week? Dibs on “cabal”.

      • MsFjordstone

        I see him more as a “faction” sort of guy.

      • Something Quirky

        “Nonplussed” but in the correct context.

    • Guest rite

      That really made me smile too. Zeke is great.

  • Alycia Swift

    Boy did Adam misread Taylor.

    • Kemper Boyd

      It wasn’t even a hard read. Taylor will tell Jay, Jay is tight with Will.

      • Alycia Swift

        For a superduperfan though …

        • Kemper Boyd

          is the duper where the dumb dumb comes in?

          • Alycia Swift

            Possibly.

  • Alycia Swift

    Ok those handcuffs look funny.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Oh Hannah, you a mess girl.

    • sharculese

      THAT’S WHAT WE SAID ABOUT KRISTIE

      • Kemper Boyd

        Was true then, is true now. I’m not saying she can’t win but hell, she was a full blown mess there.

      • Kent McK

        Kristie? You mean Keyser Soze?

      • Prom King

        Don’t remind me.

  • Alycia Swift

    This would be cool if Adam or David won.

    • Kemper Boyd

      and…

      • Alycia Swift

        Sigh. I’m rooting for Jessica.

        • Kemper Boyd

          and…

        • sharculese

          I kind of have to root for Jessica, since she was one of the 3 random white people I picked.

          Oh. Nevermnd.

    • Other Scott

      I am starting to aggressively not like Adam, and he’s on my fantasy team. Does anyone in the cast speak using more cliche’s and sound less sincere in anything he says?

      • HBO CEO of Tits

        Or spill all your shit to obvious enemy Taylor? God he’s dumb.

        • Other Scott

          See I don’t care if a player is really bad, that can be entertaining. I still get a lot of entertainment out of Taylor – What does being “good with mason jars” mean? “Hey, stuff leaks out, dude! It’s gonna leak” he says despite being the only person who had the ability to leak that info.

          But Adam is not entertainingly bad in my opinion. He’s just run of the mill playing too hard while giving very game centric cliched confessionals and there’s just nothing interesting about it.

          • Something Quirky

            You bring up a good question; does he fit a lot of stuff in them, or is he able to easily open ones with stiff hinges, or what?

          • Other Scott

            Mason jars can be horrible to open, so maybe he’s just an expert mason jar opener?

          • Hornacek

            Now I’m hoping they change his chyron next week to EXPERT MASON JAR OPENER.

          • “Good with mason jars” was when I decided that Taylor was entertainingly stupid, rather than unbearably irritatingly stupid.

      • Prom King

        Yeah he only sounds sincere during confessionals. But this is why I’m liking him more and more – I thought he was pleasant but boring prior to his freak-out this episode. Now he’s a fun, sneaky, yet still sympathetic weasel.

    • Something Quirky

      There was a second where I was like “hey david has a shot”. Oh no.

  • Kemper Boyd

    My double jointed shoulders could really have helped here.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      I’d be screwed, I have terrible shoulders. They crack constantly.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I can if needed pop them a little out so I can reach higher, get through smaller holes etc.

        • MsFjordstone

          Ouch, that hurts just reading that!!!

          • Kemper Boyd

            see it doesn’t hurt right away because my ligaments are so stretchy. What it does is hurt later… I can also make stretch my hands a freakishly wide span and squeeze them through very small holes.

          • Hornacek

            “stretch my hands a freakishly wide span and squeeze them through very small holes.”

            Ok, now you’re just making it easy for us.

          • MsFjordstone

            Fair enough. It probably only hurts me to read that because of what I did to my own shoulders (which, if you missed it in an earlier reply is: I broke both shoulders and dislocated both arms in an accident some years ago), and just the thought of ‘popping out’ a shoulder is chilling to me!

        • Hornacek

          “get through smaller holes”

          Am I really the first one to say “phrasing”?

      • MsFjordstone

        I broke and dislocated both of mine in an accident some years ago, so one of them doesn’t even have the range of motion to go completely over my head anymore. I always wonder what I would do in challenges like that…have to forfeit in advance, I guess. (Though it’s certain I’d just never physically qualify for the show anyway.)

    • Hornacek

      Not meaning to get political, but John McCain would not like this challenge.

  • Kemper Boyd

    I feel like Jessica maybe shouldn’t be showing this much willpower this early.

    • Alycia Swift

      But we did get something personal about her.

      • Kemper Boyd

        But about her being a MOM, when has “how proud would your kids be of you now?” not been answered with “proud of my second/third place”??

        • Alycia Swift

          Yes, but that’s better than nothing.

          • Kemper Boyd

            but it’s not better than winning!! Denise was never a Mom despite being a mom.

          • Alycia Swift

            But all the men we’ve are thinking could win have had the “I’m doing it for my family” type confessional.

          • Kemper Boyd

            oh hypocrisy and misogyny.

          • Alycia Swift

            Yes. But the only other two women developed are Mikayla and Hannah. Michaela the Goddess and Hannah the nervous Nellie who grows.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Will winning was probably the best result because it means a way better scramble. Also Will ain’t too bad a fella.

    • Alycia Swift

      That voice … cracked me up.

    • jersey_luck

      He the one that had the most “will”power.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I was trying to avoid that pun…

        • Hornacek

          I was asking myself “Will Will win?”

        • indescribable hat

          I thought he couldn’t do it, but where there’s a Will there’s a way!

      • I guess he is a true “will”ennial.

  • sharculese

    Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them is probably gonna be a cool movie that I’ll see when it’s on Netflix, because the only movie I care about right now is Jackie.

    This post is probably not applicable to all media markets.

    • sharculese

      Also, the Great Indoors continues to look like total garbage.

      • Alycia Swift

        Yep.

      • Kemper Boyd

        watch half th first episode. It’s hothot garbage.

      • Ms_Woozah

        Every time I see an ad for that I weep for Joel McHale, but mostly for Jeff Winger. He would never be caught dead in such a sitcom.

        • MsFjordstone

          Yeah, I watched the first two episodes (obviously I’m a masochist), and to me it feels like an Abed fantasy sitcom, because it’s *that* stupid and full of obvious tropes. It’s like a parody of a sitcom.

      • Mike Hirsch

        It looks exactly like I envisioned this season of Survivor in my head. “Oh, those hilarious Millennials! Confused by things we old folk take for granted, like maps! What a wacky difference ten-to-fourteen years makes!”

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Because I have minimally functioning terrible-sitcom-dar, I knew to give that show a wide, wide berth, but the car commercial Joel McHale was in was inescapable during the baseball playoffs. I hope he’s not the Jason Alexander of the Community alums.

        • sharculese

          Aaaand now my roommate has started watching it. I made it clear that I’m judging her.

    • Alycia Swift

      Jackie? I am usually pretty good but I have not heard of that one.

      I want to see Fantastic Beasts b/c I love Eddie Reymaye … been following him since Pillars of the Earth. Plus I also want to see Loving.

      • sharculese

        Natalie Portman playing Jackie O. in the days after the JFK assassination. It debuted at Cannes and the buzz is that it’s potentially second Oscar material for her.

        trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZTXv5NpgaI

        • Alycia Swift

          I have heard of it after all. Just forgot about it. I’ll see that.

        • Count me in…I am a sucker for Kennedy family lore.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        I really want to see Loving. I think I need something like that right now.

        • Hornacek

          Loving reminds me of The King’s Speech in that it’s a true story I had never heard about before the movie and was amazed that it actually happened. I mean, a mixed-race couple arrested for their marriage whose last name is “Loving”? If you made that up you’d be told “change the last name, that’s too on the nose”.

          • I have no doubt that the name was part of the reason they used that case as the one to argue before the Supreme Court.

          • Hornacek

            How are you gonna vote against the side that is named “Loving”? That’s like voting for the people in “People vs. Puppy Dogs”.

          • indescribable hat

            It’s certainly the only title the movie could have had.

    • Violina23

      I have zero desire to see Fantastic Beasts. But then again, most of the movie versions of the original books disappointed me so..

      • sharculese

        How do you feel about Jackie?

        • Hornacek

          Don’t tell me how it ends!

          • sharculese

            That’s actually how it starts.

      • Streets_Ahead

        Don’t read the book then the movie can’t disappoint you (in the same way).

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Okay but Fantastic Beasts is barely a book.

      • Hornacek

        Not enough S.P.E.W.!

    • HBO CEO of Tits

      I’m pretty tired of Harry Potter and low key hate Eddie redmayne so it will be a likely pass for me. I’ll catch it on premium cable in six months and give it a b-, probably.

  • Kemper Boyd

    OH COME ON. DON’T TAKE OUT A WOMAN. JUST SPLIT THE FUCKING VOTE THERE ARE LIKE 9 OF YOU WITH HANNAH AND ADAM.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Seriously, this shouldn’t have been hard, Taylor, Jay, Michelle and Will is less than half their numbers.

      • HBO CEO of Tits

        Yeah, but I wouldn’t trust this grand coalition on the first vote at all if I was pretty much anybody. So that throws a split vote trust out the window. Will was the correct target but he got immunity so I guess the next safest happened to be the woman… Again. So many “case by case” reasons to jettison all the ladies. Although i do think this is the last lady gone for like four votes.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I don’t think anyone will see a good reason for it to be Jess, Sunday or Hannah until 7/8 when maybe Jess’ legacy thingy comes into it. Hannah is annoying so maybe 5/6 for her and Sunday is in the FTC.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          Another complicating factor (and it might even make a vote split impossible going forward) is that it’s six GenXers and three Mills, and six men and three women. Who volunteers to be 4th of the 4, and why should the other three trust that person?

    • Hornacek

      Nine people at the first vote after the merge is too soon to trust that everyone will vote how they’re supposed to. They can split the votes after this, but for this vote, the GenXers weren’t sure that the millennials would vote with them.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Wait all votes on Adam and his 1 vote + the idol gets him the decision?

  • Alycia Swift

    Better look like a chump than go home.

    • Kemper Boyd

      100% absolutely.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Taylor really is a stereotypical prick.

    • Alycia Swift

      Oh my god. Medical emergency. That guy is procreating.

      • Kemper Boyd

        He be a dumb dumb. I can’t believe anyone who ended up with his baby is that bright either so poor poor kiddo.

    • gouis

      But he was right about the electoral college.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Like that isn’t well fucking known. Everyone knows it’s fucked up.

        • gouis

          Yeah I meant it as a mocking joke. I missed

          • Kemper Boyd

            sorry, I tend to be a touch sharper when I’m not watching live.

        • the sky is falling

          Hey at least the GOP ignored obamas Supreme Court nominee for 9 months, this is fine.

  • Black Dynamite

    Hannah Moment of the Week: Hannah telling Probst that she could eat him.

    • Kemper Boyd

      disagree: I liked her immunity challenge truthfulness.

      • Alycia Swift

        She is also showing a little strategy.

        • When HANNAH is the person telling you you need to chill, you really have no chill.

      • Black Dynamite

        Hannah had a couple good moments this week. The rise of Hannah continues.

      • Hornacek

        I wanted her to tell Jeff that she was keeping it 100

    • DrVanNostrand

      Jeff (edited out for TV): Keep it PG Hannah. This is a family show!

    • gouis

      Even I will admit that she was great at tribal.

    • I love that I’m slowly being vindicated on my insistence that Hannah is the best.

    • indescribable hat

      YES. My dad, who watched one season and hates Probst, always asks me if the contestants have eaten him yet. I texted him immediately.

  • Kemper Boyd

    PLAY YOUR IDOL ADAM.

    • Alycia Swift

      I think Taylor is going.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I think we were both epicly wrong.

        • Alycia Swift

          Yep.

    • gouis

      Best time to play it. Merge has the highest variance. He got lucky.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Yep.

  • Kemper Boyd

    OK guys. Fuck this vote out. Seriously. Vote out the woman when you have enough votes to split between Taylor and Jay and possibly get rid of an idol.

    • Max_Jets

      I didn’t want it to happen, but I think it might have been the best plan. It’s super risky to split votes at the merge when you haven’t solidified your alliance yet.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Yes but, here is my but, when the other option is losing Adam who cares…

        • Max_Jets

          Hannah, Zeke, Ken, maybe Jessica, Me, etc.

          • Kemper Boyd

            The way it becomes Adam is that Zeke, Hannah and maybe David go Adam. To Jess and Ken is losing a millennial even Adam that bad a result?

          • Alycia Swift

            I would say yes at this point because he’s not a big challenge threat and because he said he would work with them which is more than some of the other millenials said.

            Its interesting watching the Gen-Xers come back together and seem to put aside their differences and keep Zeke, Adam and didn’t Hannah flip too. And the Millenials entirely fall apart. No one on the power part of the Millenials seemed to deal with Zeke.

        • Baulderstone

          Turning on your own too early like that is the exact reason the Millennials are where they are. Adam’s also good as he is an easy vote when you alliance does need to start eating itself.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I agree and I think had this vote been billed as being because Michelle is clearly the most dangerous player of the 3 then maybe I’d be cool but it was like “huh, they won’t save the chick” and it bothers me. They want Jay and Taylor gone but they take out Michelle despite having the votes and no personal jeopardy or even the jeopardy of losing the numbers if the idol is played.

          • Baulderstone

            Well, it is the truth. Going back to the the first episode, Michelle had overtures to join Mari and Hannah as well as from Team Brosquad. She sided with Team Broquad and and surprise, surprise, this episode she found herself completely marginalized and ignored as just an extra vote the guys were keeping around.

            “They won’t save the chick” is just the truth, and part of why it was much more satisfying to see that alliance take a hit, and not the one where someone gave up an idol to protect Jessica.

            Michelle is someone that was given a real choice early in the game of which people she wanted to play with. She blew it.

      • Sadie

        Yeah Adam was acting sketchy, Chris and David don’t really know Hannah but she’s been unreliable before

    • Violina23

      I… can’t see a downside to this plan.

      • Alycia Swift

        Yes, or at the least, vote 5 on Taylor 4 on Michele and see if Jay plays an idol for Taylor (he won’t).

    • Baulderstone

      They just took out the only person left with a strategic brain in that alliance, not that they listened to her. She was clearly the most dangerous player. Jay likes to think he is strategic, but he is more of a “big move” player with no real depth. It’s kind of ironic he and Adam are enemies when you think about it.

      • Kemper Boyd

        I fully agree but that isn’t why they did it. It’s actually just a lucky by-product for them.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      I’m with you in spirit, but I think the alliances were too unsettled right after the merge. Vote splits are easier said then done. But if there isn’t a vote split next episode something is definitely up.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Survivor White Guy Island Continues.

    • gouis

      Well, Probst always did say Survivor reflects America.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Amen.

      • Hornacek

        “You’re building a new society here …”

        Actually, they’re building one that mirrors the society they came from.

    • Ms_Woozah

      This makes me way sadder than it rationally should. Tonight, of all nights. Michelle over Taylor??? What is the reasoning. Oh wait…

  • gouis

    This week has been tough. But at least tonight the creationist who believes that dragons are just dinosaurs from 500 years ago and her cadre of bros was defeated.

    • Hornacek

      But Marco Polo reported dragons in China!

  • Alycia Swift

    I think Adam has dropped out of contention as a possible winner.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Dude needs to SHUT UP.

      • Mike Hirsch

        Seriously. What is he doing?!

        • corndogshuffle

          At first I was annoyed that he was talking too much. By the end of the episode, I thought he would have thoroughly earned it.

      • Hornacek

        Hannah, is that you?

  • A whole bunch of white dudes being a toxic combination of confused, obnoxious, and entitled just now.

    Anyway. I’ll watch tonight’s episode of “Survivor” later.

    • Kemper Boyd

      ..

      • Alycia Swift

        Not all of the white dudes were obnoxious, confused and entitled on Survivor tonight. The Gen-X guys seemed sort of chill today.

        • Kemper Boyd

          8 people voted out. 7/8 are women. That is all.

          • Alycia Swift

            Good point. I just meant their demeanor. The millenials were all nuts. While the GenX men seemed to stay calm, even David. Or have we gotten used to his paranoia

          • Kemper Boyd

            It’s often talked about that 30’s is the best time to play and that group is 33-45, they are in the right zone to be reasonably calm and methodical.

          • the sky is falling

            Sry to election… But if an Ivy League educated lawyer who was First Lady for 8 years, Senator, and Secretary of State can’t become president, it’s gonna be a while before we have a female president. flaws aside, resume doesn’t get much stronger than that.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Her flaws are that is an actual person with flaws. And we all know women ain’t allowed no flaws.

          • Mike Hirsch

            TV has led me to believe our first female President would be a daffy but loveable klutz.

          • the sky is falling

            This election shoulda been Paris Hilton vs Donald Trump, we deserve it. I will check out when it’s Kanye West in 2020

          • Hornacek

            Perez Hilton vs Donald Trump.

          • Alycia Swift

            Or Selina Meyer who was anything but daffy and loveable.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Teriffic show, though.

          • HBO CEO of Tits

            We as a nation don’t value resumes for president. Compare obamas to McCain. Or w to anyone he ran against. Clinton to h w. A resume is a liability apparently.

          • Hornacek

            But most (all?) of those women were voted out for reasons completely unrelated to their gender. Either they were considered threats, they were worst in their tribe in the challenges, or they did not socialize and annoyed people.

            I’ve used this analogy more than once this week, but if you flip a coin a thousand times, you will get a stretch where it comes up heads 50 times in a row. Doesn’t mean the coin is rigged or unfair.

          • I think the issue is that not all of those things are completely separated from gender. Women are more likely to be perceived as weak in challenges simply because they’re women. Figgy was voted out because she and Taylor were a thing, but if your motivation is breaking up a couple you could just as easily vote out Taylor.

            I’m not arguing gender was a primary reason for these votes, but I don’t think we can claim it had absolutely zero influence in determining the target.

          • Hornacek

            Rachel – bad in the challenge, bossy, only socialized with CeCe.

            Mari – video gamer, seen as a strategic threat. Plus Michelle wanted to save her friend Figgy.

            Lucy – bossy, told players who to vote for and not to talk to anyone else.

            CeCe – terrible in every challenge, even worse than David. Did not socialize.

            Figgy – got in a showmance and did not try to hide (or did not hide it very well). Did not realize that a showmance was a bad idea. Was seen as the better player in the showmance (low bar) so voted out instead of Taylor.

            Michaela – super-physical threat, seen as a strategic threat. Unable to keep her emotions hidden which meant she probably could not be trusted to keep alliance secrets later in the game. Also took it upon herself to tell Adam to vote out Figgy and then told her tribe all about it.

            Michelle – intended target Will had immunity, alliance thought Jay or Taylor had an idol and that Michelle was the least likely to get an idol played on her by one of them (that’s more about the bro-ness of Jay and Taylor and less about her being a woman).

            Yes, that’s 7 women (plus Paul) voted out, but I really don’t think that their gender had anything to do with them getting voted out. In each case they were voted out because they were a threat, they were terrible in the challenges, or they did not socialize with people.

          • There will always be a reason for someone getting voted out, because the show needs to tell a story. So yes, every one of the women you mention had a reason for getting voted out- a reason that would be equally applicable (if not more applicable) to other people on their tribe.

            Mari was seen as a strategic threat. But why her over Hannah, Adam, or Zeke (Northwestern, Stanford, and Harvard grads, respectively- not that prestige colleges necessarily correlate to intelligence and strategic acumen)?

            Lucy was voted out via the use of an idol. The idol protected Jessica from being voted out. Why was Jessica targeted over a challenge liability like David or Cece, who were also in opposition to the larger alliance? For the other side, why target Lucy? She was a bodybuilder and not weak in challenges.

            Figgy I already discussed, but I don’t think it was explicitly stated by anyone on the show that she was the better player in that couple.

            I’m not trying to argue that these people are racist or sexist. But I also won’t argue that their race or gender was completely irrelevant.

          • StormofCuteness

            You said it so much better than I ever could, and I’m grateful for it. I’ve been really upset about this and clearly not able to express my frustration in a way that resonated. I shall send people to this comment forthwith.

          • Hornacek

            In the Mari and Lucy situations, the other target in those votes (Figgy, Jessica) were women. So I don’t see those situations as a woman being voted out instead of a man.

            In the Mari situation, I didn’t see anything that identified to the rest of the tribe that Zeke, Adam or Hannah were a bigger strategic threat than Mari.

            In the Jessica situation, she was targeted because Lucy wanted her gone. Lucy didn’t like her and wanted to realign with Chris and Bret, so she threw Jessica under the bus. David and CeCe targeted Lucy because they didn’t like her and she was telling them what to do and who to talk to.

            Figgy was seen telling Taylor to keep their showmance hidden (even though everyone already knew). So at least she seemed to display some knowledge in that moment. Like I said, it was a low bar. Who knows if anyone saw and recognized this? Adam probably did, since they were open with their relationship around him on the post-swap tribe.

          • You said, “In the Mari and Lucy situations, the other target in those votes (Figgy, Jessica) were women. So I don’t see those situations as a woman being voted out instead of a man.”

            That is exactly my point here. Why were all the targets women? If your stated goal is to get rid of someone strategic, Adam is strategic. The reason they don’t consider Adam as a potential target is that Adam is a man, and thus presumed to be stronger and better at challenges. There wasn’t anything in particularly Mari did that made her stand out as a strategic threat over and above Adam.

            That’s where the gender bias comes in. They’re not saying “Let’s vote out a woman!” They’re saying “Let’s get rid of someone strategic that also isn’t great at challenges.” And “not great at challenges” is a label that is overwhelmingly applied to women over men.

          • Hornacek

            Apparently people believe that if you are a professional video gamer then you are a strategic person. If you just go only by professions, I would say that a professional video gamer is probably more strategic than someone who works at a homeless shelter.

            If the majority alliance when these women were voted out were a bunch of bro’s slapping each others’ asses and saying “Rock on!” all the time then I’d say the women were probably voted out because they were women. But each vote out can be explained by looking at how the voted out person performs in challenges, how they get along with their tribe, and how much of a threat they are to everyone.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            “If the majority alliance when these women were voted out were a bunch of
            bro’s slapping each others’ asses and saying “Rock on!” all the time
            then I’d say the women were probably voted out because they were women.”

            Ingrained sexism is rarely so obvious and insidious.

          • Hornacek

            Yes, I was using an extreme example. But just because these 7 women have been voted off doesn’t mean that they were voted off because they were women. I haven’t seen any actual proof that this was the reason. If you look at each vote-out individually, there are legitimate reasons for that person to be voted out.

            What do I know? I’m not a woman (SPOILER) and don’t have any first-hand experience about this type of sexism. I can only go by what I see on the show. And while it looks bad that the first 8 vote-outs include 7 women, there’s no proof that they were voted out because they were women. I guess I need to see actual proof for that.

            And for the record, Taylor does say “Rock on!” a lot this season.

          • indescribable hat

            And also women carry a lot of it around.

          • By the way, I’m assuming/hoping you realize this is nothing more than a friendly discussion. I’m just trying to clarify why I feel the way I do about this.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            As others have noted, it’s much more nuanced than “Let’s vote out these women and POC because we’re mustache-twirling sexists/racists.” Part of it is that many of these traits that get women and POC voted out are A-OK or at least neutral when a white man has them.

            I won’t go through all of them but this jumped out at me: “Bossy, told players who to vote for and not to talk to anyone else.”–That’s Boston Rob in the season he won, not to mention Coach in the season he very nearly won. Coach!

            And I feel like the assumption that Michelle couldn’t possibly have the idol needs to be examined.

          • andythesaint

            It will be, but basically, I think they felt secure that Michelle didn’t have the idol because if she had one, she probably would’ve played it the night CeCe went home.

          • Hornacek

            Boston Rob was already in an alliance with everyone and they were against another tribe after the merge. He told everyone not to talk to the other tribe, he didn’t say “don’t talk to anyone”. Bit of a difference.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            What John said a million times.

  • jersey_luck

    Show I know you couldn’t predict that this season was going to be on after everything that just happened with this election but it is unfortunate that this is the season that is airing right now

  • Mike Hirsch

    I get the feeling a lot of idols will be played next week.
    Ken right now, pushing for Taylor, is filling the role of Billy Zane in Zoolander. Listen to your friend Ken! He’s a cool dude!

    • DrVanNostrand

      Ken was hilarious in that moment. They made a cogent argument that everyone could agree on… except good ol’ Ken. He really doesn’t like it when he doesn’t get his way.

      • This was a weird coda to that whole scene from last week where Taylor swore allegiance to Ken and Jessica. Guess it didn’t work?

        • Hornacek

          That was pre-merge. Once the merge happened Taylor forgot all about Ken & Jessica once he reformed the Triforce (with Michelle subbing for Figgy).

          • Yeah, Taylor was always going to do that. Bu the episode teased the idea of Jess and Ken working with Taylor, which is why it amused me to have Ken immediately all “I have had enough Taylor and wish to vote him out now.”

  • Alycia Swift

    By the way, Will actually lives very near where I do. Next town over. Yet I cannot root for him.

    • gouis

      Egg his house for being such a dingus.

      • Alycia Swift

        I’m a GenXer who feels like the silent generation. Not my style. I don’t know exactly where he is at anyway.

        • sharculese

          Are you gonna drink a highball while you listen to your jazz records about it?

          • Alycia Swift

            I’m not much of a drinker but yes. Kidding. I have jazz cassettes. No, just one. Somewhere.

      • sharculese

        Which way did he vote. I don’t remember because the agenda for today has been day drinking.

        • gouis

          It’s pretty clear who he voted for when in his pregame interviews he said Ronald Reagan was his hero.

          • sharculese

            No, I meant tonight on Survivor. The show we watch.

          • gouis

            It was Jay, Will and Michelle vs the world.

          • andythesaint

            And Taylor.

          • gouis

            Man, he is such a dead man walking I just forgot he was still there.

          • sharculese

            But related, I’m kind of glad Spencer doesn’t vote.

          • gouis

            Fuck Spencer.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Agreed.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        Fuck that noise. Break into his kitchen and spill his milk!

        • Alycia Swift

          I already awarded the win the internet for the night award. But this cracked me up so you are getting second place.

  • THEORIES

    One: All the footage of people promising to vote alongside Team Cool Millennials was lost some time between here and Ponderosa. Possibly Taylor ate it.

    Two: Team Cool Millennials is worse at math than Brad Culpepper.

    • Alycia Swift

      Brad Culpepper was probably the founding member of Team Cool whatever generation when he was in high school.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Here’s the thing. I really think that Brad Culpepper was bad a math. I think TCM are bad at people, they assumed everyone was with them because I mean, they are cool kids, everyone loves them right?

    • DrVanNostrand

      Ken should start the “Ken McNickle School for Kids Who Don’t Math Good and Want to Do Other Stuff Good Too.” Help out some poor meatheads like Taylor and Culpepper.

      • Alycia Swift

        That could be part of the non-profit he already runs.

      • Hornacek

        Make sure they are able to fit inside the building.

    • Kent McK

      I do really like Jay, but Taylor and Will need to get voted off ASAP. They are like Wes Nale level useless. This was the worst episode of the season by far, and I think it had a lot to do with Taylor and Will being so visible. Man those two suck.

      • Taylor sucks. Will is just 18, and hasn’t finished getting a personality yet.

    • Other Scott

      Brad Culpepper did his math right! He actually got 5 people!

      Matt Quinlan on the other hand…

      And yeah it’s definitely option one, Michelle’s final words more or less confirm it.

      • The thing I found weird though is that, like, Will was actually genuinely worried he might go home. Worried enough to win immunity. But Jay, Taylor and Michelle didn’t seem worried at all, not even to the point of wondering if one of them might get targeted instead. Like all you had to do to foil Adam’s plan was win immunity and then…he just won’t be able to vote?

        They were so supremely confident that I want to know where all the footage of Bret and Sunday promising their commitment to being the seventh and sixth boots respectively from Jay’s alliance was.

        • Other Scott

          I think Will is smart enough to realize that even if you think you have the numbers, your name being written down is a bad thing because you never know.

          • And Will was entirely right. Why did none of the rest of his alliance have that same thought?

          • Other Scott

            Do not know

          • Diego Armando

            Eh, he’s 18, he knows nothing.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Yeah, I assume Bret and Sunday told Jay they would vote with TCM and pull in, say, Jessica.

      • I just read Michelle’s interview with Josh Wigler, and apparently SHE didn’t know who was supposed to be voting with them either, apart from she thought it included Chris. That’s a serious lack of due diligence.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          Guess being able to convince Hannah to switch her vote at the first tribal wasn’t indicative of being a great player after all.

  • DrVanNostrand

    Adam is really terrible at this game. Or should I say, ADAM IS REALLY TERRIBLE AT THIS GAME!!!!!

    • Alycia Swift

      The latter for sure.

    • Purplerockmatt

      at least we finally figured out who Film Crit Hulk is in real life

      • *applause*

      • HBO CEO of Tits

        Please, know your roots. Zodiac motherfucker around these parts.

        • Purplerockmatt

          Please, Adam doesn’t have enough ownage to be ZMF

          • Diego Armando

            Of cock.

    • Kingoftonga

      I liked Zeke’s glib, offhand dismissal of Adam’s game. “Yes, Adam is a bad player and unreliable alliance member who we’ll vote out soon, but let’s use him for this vote.”

      • DrVanNostrand

        That’s why I like Zeke.

    • Kent McK

      Yeah, not a good night for Adam. He just cannot stay out of his own way.

    • Diego Armando

      ADAM TRUSTS TOO OPENLY. THAT IS ADAM’S CURSE.

  • Kemper Boyd

    I am angry that it was not Taylor or Jay but if it isn’t Jay Michelle is a more dangerous player than Taylor. Taylor is full blown goat material, like Fabio if he were an unlikable tool.

    • Alycia Swift

      Yes but I want him off my TV. I never wanted Fabio off my tv.

      • Kemper Boyd
        • Alycia Swift

          Thanks that made me smile.

          You guys are all making me smile. I should be working but I can’t bring myself to do anything right now.

          • Kemper Boyd

            It’s been fun hanging out for the show with you tonight. It’s bed time now.

          • Alycia Swift

            Yes very fun. Not bed time yet for me. Good night.

  • the sky is falling

    1. episode title definitely should have been, “We’re back together, man.”
    2. Adam is horrible at strategy.
    3. David lasted way long than I expected in that challenge.
    4. Taylor is a doofus, dam.
    5. no more secret rewards please.
    6. stop the “millenials survivor like this, gen X survivor like this”, Probst, please.

    • Alycia Swift

      That challenge is designed for people with less muscle mass for the most part. Both Bret and Chris went out quickly.

      Remember Shi-Ann won the one-armed version in one of her two seasons.

      • corndogshuffle

        Currently rewatching Africa, the final two in that challenge (which was also in the merge episode) was down to T-Bird and… Clarence. It went for the leaner person there as well.

        • sharculese

          But didn’t they do rock paper scissors for it?

          • corndogshuffle

            That is how it ended.

        • Prom King

          I love that season!

          • corndogshuffle

            It’s already passing Australia. I’m really enjoying this, especially as far as early Survivor goes.

            Watching chronologically, even having already seen every season, has really given me a different perspective.

        • Hornacek

          Clarence lasted so long in that challenge because Jeff said whoever won would also get some beans.

          • corndogshuffle

            Mixed with cherries. That part is important.

    • Kingoftonga

      Millennials eat too much, am I right?

      No, Jeff, that’s not a stereotype, Taylor is just a selfish, uncaring douche.

      • Prom King

        Yeah that was nearly as bad as the whole you versus u. He’s trying so hard and it makes me cringe.

        • indescribable hat

          Once again I am imagining the shit I would take from my friends if I texted them using just the letter.

          • Prom King

            The hilarious part about all this and another example of why Probst is so out of touch is that it is actually non-Millennials who are more used to using ‘u’ because pre-smartphone cell phones didn’t have the full keyboards that everyone uses now. I don’t know anyone who uses “u” except for my parents and other older relatives.

      • andythesaint

        I’m pretty sure Zeke visibly winced once Jeff launched into his “let’s talk about how your generations make you different” shtick.

    • Other Scott

      Adam looks like he thinks he’s playing an ORG where he can just talk to anyone whenever and make deals with anyone without anyone else seeing or any consequences. It’s really not working for him.

    • Hornacek

      Jeff needs to just let the theme go. It’s no longer millennials and GenXers, it’s just a bunch of players. This vote proves that.

    • I was confused about what Jeff was saying in tribal (as I have frequently been). Millennials tend to… admit to doing things and then laugh about them? Is that the new stereotype?

  • jersey_luck

    Yah going to be honest this season probably going to be in my bottom quarter of the rankings. Honestly this might be the worst first half of a season for a long time. It might be because of when it was airing whatever this is and reflecting it so well. Maybe it is because I do not like David and Adam as much as others. I am willing to see where this season is going but there are problems that bug me and I figure I should just say it.

    • Alkanarra

      This one hasn’t clicked for me either, though I’m kinda enjoying not giving a damn for a change. Literally anything can happen each week and I remain unphased and indifferent since I don’t really care if any of them win. It’s a very unfamiliar way to watch Survivor.

      • jersey_luck

        To be fair there are a few good people (Jay and Michaela) who are great but there aren’t the people who just annoy me

        • Alkanarra

          Exactly. Taylor is a dumb buffoon, but the edit is so heavy-handed with him that it’s hard to really care that much. I blame the Survivor media bias for making me so indifferent.

          • Mike Hirsch

            Taylor should constantly have the “derp de derp” music playing whenever he’s onscreen. I’m not sure whether I admire the restraint of the editors, or am sad about the missed opportunity.

          • Purplerockmatt

            dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

          • Mike Hirsch

            Now I need to watch that but my wife and baby just fell asleep. Crap!

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I’m waiting for footage of him just standing on the beach staring directly at the sun.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I’m 99% sure there is footage of him spinning in a circle because he can’t find the buff that is on his head.

          • corndogshuffle

            Taylor stole the food at night dum dum dum dum dum
            Mason jars were not sealed tight dum dum dum dum dum

            That’s all I got.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            yeah, but it’s really going to give away the winner when they get the “smart smart smart smart smart” song.

          • jersey_luck

            To be fair for me it was Adam as most annoying and then Taylor.

      • the sky is falling

        Your enjoyment of this season primarily depends on you r feelings about David, I love David so it’s a top 10 season for me

        • jersey_luck

          And as we discussed last week last week I don’t, but there is also the fact that seven of the eight people who were voted are women

          • the sky is falling

            I have to slightly disagree here, I don’t believe that 7/8 were voted out because they were women or POC. They played poorly

          • jersey_luck

            Some of them did play poorly while others were cut at the the bud (Lucy, Mari, Michaela, Michelle and depending on the mood I would argue Figgy).

          • the sky is falling

            Lucy, out of nowhere became really bossy and forbade alliance members to speak to anyone.
            figgy was in a showmance.
            Micheala was a huge threat.
            Mari was voted out by Michelle.
            Michelle… Ok no reason to vote her out

          • jersey_luck

            Lucy was idoled out on a night where her target was going to be blindsided. Michaela and Mari were doing something right if they had to targeted and voted out the way there were. And to be honest I am little sad that we didn’t get Figgy play without Taylor because she was the better player of the two of them.

          • the sky is falling

            I agree with all of your poInto, just saying the hey had valid reasons for being voted out other than sexism. Plenty of blatant sexism in this world, I just don’t see that being the case here, but I’m a white male, maybe I am naive

          • jersey_luck

            And that were we agree because I also believe intentional sexism in this case. If I had to guess I would say this is a season that even Jeff didn’t really love because of easily seen streak of boots.

          • Hornacek

            All of the women voted out were voted out for reason unrelated to their gender (or skin color). Either they were either seen as a threat, were the worst in challenges on their tribe, did not socialize, or annoyed people.

            Sometimes a trend is just a series of individual vote-outs unrelated to each other.

          • Alycia Swift

            I do have to agree that the women did play poorly in general.

            Mari was voted out because people believed she was a threat and Michele wanted to keep her alliance. She’s stated she did not talk to people.

            Michaela was a physical threat and tried to be in charge and wore what shew as feeling on her face. She also was bossy and said things to people that made many here cringe. We loved her because she was outspoken but that’s not necessarily the best thing to be on Survivor.

            Michele was voted to cut Jay’s power. There was concern Jay had an idol and would play it on Taylor (we know he would not though). The guys believed Michele did not have it.

        • corndogshuffle

          For me a lot of it depends on the post merge – I’ll give a game with a strong post merge all kinds of “bonus points” in my rankings. It’s a little to early for me to decide, based on just pre merge I’d rather watch Worlds Apart than Fiji but if I were gonna watch the full season you couldn’t pay me to watch WA instead of Fiji.

          • Alycia Swift

            I just want to watch Yau Man figure out how to open a box that the muscleheads could not open from Fiji. Well any Yau Man and Earl. And the four horsemen being taken down. The rest I can skip.

            WA – I hate the bullying and how Shirin was treated but I like the winner and some of the stuff he did. I liked watching Dan screw up challenges but not so much the rest. Joe was ok.

          • corndogshuffle

            I don’t hate WA as much as many do (or Fiji, for that matter). I’d definitely watch either one again, and will at some point.

      • Alycia Swift

        I’m enjoying parts of this season. I love David, Ken, Jess, Zeke (and Mikayla) and Hannah. Jay has his moments. But I don’t like voting out all the women and minorities and the idea that you should go for the woman to harm the man. But overall, hasn’t some of the female casting been pretty weak? Other than Mikayla, I did not really care about those voted out although I do like both Jess and Hannah.

        • Hornacek

          I don’t think they voted for Michelle to “harm the man”. They wanted to vote for Will, but when they couldn’t, their next targets were either Jay or Taylor, but they thought that one of them might have an idol, and that if they did play the idol on one of their alliance, Michelle was the least likely to get it played on. That’s why she was targeted, not because she was a woman or “Jay’s girl”.

          Besides, I think most of the millennials remember the Mari vote and know that of the Jay/Michelle pair, she is the strategic one and more dangerous.

    • DrVanNostrand

      I love David. Adam is looking to have Dr. Peter upside, which is kind of meh.

      • sharculese

        Adam doesn’t have Peter upside. Peter was an amazing pre-merge comeuppance. He was exactly what you want in an early boot. Adam is just a dude who’s probably gonna fuck things up down the road.

    • Prom King

      I’ve been enjoying it, mainly because I love(d) Michaela, Ken, David, and Zeke as characters. I find them all really entertaining and interesting and sympathetic and fun to root for. I also get occasional enjoyment from nearly everyone else left, except for Sunday and Will.

    • VoicOff

      David is just not an enjoyable screen presence for me either

    • On paper, this season has been really exciting, and I’m starting to like the cast a lot, but I do think there’s something missing. I’m definitely not as into this season as I was into Kaoh Rong, although that might have something to do with that big real-world thing that’s been going on for a while, that finally ended on Tuesday (except it didn’t).

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        I’ve had just the opposite reaction (to this season I mean; I’m just as shattered by real-world events as everybody else). The pre-season videos and bios had me very “meh”, but this cast has been way more entertaining than I expected, and I can see this season reaching the low end of my top 10 (although that could change drastically depending on how it ends).

        If anything seems “off” about this season it’s that the cast is all in the middle of the bell curve. Nobody seems likely to join the pantheon of great first-time players, but on the other hand nobody is abjectly terrible at either Survivor or life. Not even Taylor, compared to, say, Will Sims.

        • I actually agree with a lot of what you said. It’s not Survivor’s best cast, but it has some great characters, I like it significantly more than I thought I would. It’s less that I don’t like the direction of the season so far and more that, for whatever reason, I’m constantly nervous that it’s going to go off the rails or become really boring. If it keeps going the way it’s been going, I’d probably put it just below Kaoh Rong in my upper-middle tier.

  • Hornacek

    Random thoughts:

    Hey, Survivor. Maybe this will distract me from the crushing awfulness that is real life.

    Maybe it’s just editing but it’s not a good idea for Chris and Bret to wander off together while everyone else is still at the merge feast.

    “It’s exciting to be a part of Survivor history, to have a new power that nobody has ever had in his game before.” Just ask Dan, Stephen, and Tai how that excitement worked out for them.

    When Taylor stole the food I hoped that Adam would bond with Bret. But no, he decides to bond with Taylor, who comes out on top of that conversation. Oh Adam.

    Zeke is out of the challenge, but manages to keep his hair dry.

    Hannah is the only one keeping it 100 with Jeff.

    David makes it to #4 in the challenge. Impressed.

    Have we seen Will’s American flag trunks before?

    Hannah is soooo hungry …

    “This one’s for Figs.” Aw, that’s sweet. Oh wait, I forgot about what you did for a moment. You jerk!

    Michelle is voted out. Jay is stunned. Taylor is … thinking about Figgy? I have no idea what he’s thinking about. Probably food.

    Next week: I think Jay and Taylor overestimate the distrust Adam’s advantage could cause. But he should still use it right away.

    • Alycia Swift

      When Taylor stole the food I hoped that Adam would bond with Bret. But no, he decides to bond with Taylor, who comes out on top of that conversation. Oh Adam.

      Bret went to sleep though so I’m not sure Adam knew he saw it. But otherwise, I agree.

      And how noisy were those jars?

      • Hornacek

        When I saw Taylor with the jars I thought “Oh, he’s looking for an idol clue, maybe he has seen the show before.” Then I realized “Nope, he’s stealing food. He’s obviously never seen the show before.”

        • Alycia Swift

          Old School Survivor – that would have been his death knell.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          Or condom commercials.

        • Kemper Boyd

          but by moving things from one noisey jar too another. Just stick it all in your buff you fucking moron!

          • Wasn’t part of his justification “I know about mason jars” or something like that? Like, a regular person wouldn’t know how to steal from a mason jar. It needs a special skill, and Taylor has those skills.

          • Kemper Boyd

            He’s a full blown moron. I think we all “know about mason jars”. I know that jars can be picked up, I know how to open them, fill them, remove things from them and then put them down. I think that’s about all you need to “know about mason jars” right?
            I genuinely hate him on my tv. It’s a level of selfish douche I can’t deal with right now.

          • Hornacek

            I liked on KIA when they said “Taylor is like if Drew Christie had made the merge.”

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            You mean to say you can’t deal with a stupid, smirking man-child with no impulse control, who is breaking norms left and right and skating right on through while the women get voted off? Can’t imagine what that’s like.

          • sharculese

            Stealing from a mason jar requires a saving throw for douchiness.

    • the sky is falling

      Most awful special reward ever?

    • Alycia Swift

      Worst time to use it – family visit.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        You say worst, I say most entertaining.

        • Alycia Swift

          Very entertaining though. Just strategically bad – unless you switch it up and do something like Brenda did and give everyone the reward of their family except the person who won.

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            Maybe they give away a car again. Like the old days.

        • It can be- and in this case definitely is- two things.

          • sharculese

            We’ve seen someone take away someone else’s family visit before, and it certainly didn’t elevate Caramoan.

          • sharculese

            Also, you did’t respond to that post, but I’m serious about the fantasy rules judge thing. You’ve seen that I way overthink these things and I would be happy to arbitrate disputes as to who does and does not get fantasy points.

            I have a format laid out. It’s funny.

          • Where did you post it? I used to use the VIP entrance to see all the comments, but it got too difficult once the volume got so high (and it cuts off part of the comment, which is annoying).

          • sharculese

            It’s the post where I ask if we’re getting points for Adam’s advantage.

            Which Andy answered I think correctly, but I still wanna play fantasy rules judge. Lawyering out all the rules is more fun for me than the actual league.

          • So…basically what the PRP staff chat already does? Which PRP Supreme Fantasy Court Justice are you voting out?

            (Begrudgingly, Andy is the Chief Justice by virtue of his not participating in the league. We figure that gives him some impartiality.)

          • sharculese

            I had no way of knowing you already did that, and, as I said to Andy, why are you not sharing it with us?

          • I knew that you didn’t know we did that. I was just hoping to convince you to say which one of the staffers you’d eliminate.

            Honestly, it doesn’t come up often. And when there’s any sort of situation where the decision isn’t unanimous, I let you all vote on it.

      • corndogshuffle

        I kinda hope he is around long enough to do that. That would be so hilariously bad.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Terrible but his Mom has cancer, he’s probably the one who needs the visit most (if you discount Taylor who needs to be told his baby mama is well his baby mama).

        • Alycia Swift

          With cancer, would his mother even be able to make the trip though?

          • Kemper Boyd

            no but news.

      • Hornacek

        I mean, if he uses it on Jay, Taylor or Will, who are clearly at the bottom of the tribe now, are the rest of Adam’s alliance gonna care?

    • DrVanNostrand

      When you get outwitted by Taylor, it’s time to re-evaluate your whole decision making process.

      • Hornacek

        Adam: Oh, I’ve wasted my life.

        • Diego Armando

          NOT ADAM’S PROUDEST MOMENT.

    • Something Quirky

      We have seen those boardshorts before, yes. I laughed less this time.

    • Something Quirky

      Or Adam could not use it, or just give it to someone. Like, when they all confront him or whatever just go “y’all can have it” because it’ll do him zero good unless he can use it to get a reward that’s an advantage.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        That would be the best case scenario: The advantage itself sucks but Adam could use it as currency to buy off the swing vote if they come after him at 11 or 9.

      • Hornacek

        The thing is, Adam really thinks that this reward-steal advantage is a great thing and very powerful. As a superduper fan, he’s obviously missed the last 3 seasons.

        • Something Quirky

          Adam: “I hope there’s a car reward!”

          • Hornacek

            A super-duper-fan should know that you should not win the car reward. Or steal the car to be put into the same group as Dreamz.

  • Alycia Swift

    Who is going to be the last female standing?

    • Ms_Woozah

      Hannah or Sunday would be my guess.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Sunday or Hannah or Jess, I mean it’s not a wide selection.

      • Alycia Swift

        I know. Which one do you think will go furthest.

        • Streets_Ahead

          Jessica

        • Kemper Boyd

          Sorry the joke was to myself because I typed Sunday or Hannah and then was like “that’s 2/3, it’s not an answer” my gut says Sunday is prime goat material and Hannah is too annoying not to get cut when she’s bottom of the ladder and the straggler from the other alliance wins immunity and Jess is too well rounded a person to survive.

          • Alycia Swift

            I agree re Jess but I want to see her in the final 3.

          • Kemper Boyd

            me too.

          • Alycia Swift

            She is on my fantasy league team. I had traded David for her in pick 4. I still have David in the other league.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Not on mine, I just like her.

          • Alycia Swift

            Well me 2. She has grown on me. Yes, she screwed up early but she seems to be learning. Part of it is we have the same profession too although I am not a prosecutor.

    • gouis

      Jessica.

      • the sky is falling

        I want to down vote this idea but upvotes the comment

      • andythesaint

        She will be in the final 3 with Ken and David.

    • StormofCuteness

      Hmmm, I picked Sunday on my league because I heard Probst talk about her getting along with the millenials before the show began. Since we really haven’t seen that yet, I suspect she’s going farther than we realize. But like you and Kemper, I’d like to see Jessica go far. She’s pretty awesome actually. I was amazed by her stamina tonight.

  • Kemper Boyd

    Guys how had I missed until right now that Carrie is still doing Surivor recaps on the AV Club but without grades?

    • Alycia Swift

      Its a once in a while thing. There are other cut shows that once in a while show up without grades.

      • Kemper Boyd

        She’s got one for every episode.

        • Alycia Swift

          REally. I only saw twice.

          • Kemper Boyd

            from 3 apologies.

          • the sky is falling

            It’s not the same though, AV club broke the survivor coverage

        • Hornacek

          Not for the first two episodes. It was the week of episode 3 where AVClub started up some of the TV Club reviews again they had stopped after last season (Survivor and Gotham are two that come to mind).

          • Kemper Boyd

            read below.

    • gouis

      She’s just doing posts with quick thoughts. I’m pretty sure she’s not getting paid for it and just wants to talk about the show.

      • Kemper Boyd

        ahhhhhh. We told her to just come here.

      • the sky is falling

        Is getting paid important? This is survivor, can’t imagine purple rock is making money from this

        • sharculese

          Getting paid is important when ‘freelance tv reviewer’ is one element of your career.

        • DrVanNostrand

          As opposed to The Purple Rock Podcast, I believe the AV Club is a (sort of) paying job.

          • sharculese

            I can confirm I totally didn’t get paid for the job I did 22/25 of.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Your Australia recaps were great and it gave a space for me and PrettyboyProbst to argue about El endlessly.
            And I am up for taking some of the workload for next season (conditional on life circumstances which I don’t see how they will have changed in 10 months).

          • sharculese

            Yeah, let’s definitely split them up. We’ll figure out how to do it.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Yeah, great job on the AS recaps. Did you have a particular take on the finale?

          • sharculese

            There’s a finale recap coming. Like I said last week, it’s been a rough time for me.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            If it’s not fun for you to do, don’t feel obligated.

          • Alkanarra

            I think I bought a $4 phone cable through their Amazon link once, so PRP is likely set for life now.

          • Purplerockmatt

            i think in december once the amazon link paid enough for hosting costs

          • Alkanarra

            Dr. Van Nostrand’s cat must have been very hungry.

          • the sky is falling

            I am positive if you asked we would all chip in a dollar on PayPal if needed

          • Purplerockmatt

            yeah we don’t have a real interest in doing that. I think the amazon link is the most we will ask.

          • We will not ask that. Donate your dollar to a better cause- I can think of several that will need it soon.

          • DrVanNostrand

            I didn’t upvote that because I don’t think you deserve compensation, but rather because you made me realize I need to double my yearly contribution to the ACLU. And that’s just a start.

          • MsFjordstone

            Yeah, that was literally the first thing my husband did on Wednesday morning; gave (more) money to the ACLU, over our usual contribution. Anybody who *can*, should do that.

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            My Amazon dollars already go towards a charity (sorry for not funding you guys), but I’m devastated that now I need to figure out if I can do multiple charities or make a rotation of some kind, just because I know who’s going to need a lot of help in the upcoming years

          • Hornacek

            Was that because December is when most people purchase Christmas gifts on Amazon? Does the amount raised through the Amazon link plummet in January?

          • Yes and yes.

          • DrVanNostrand

            That reminds me I have to re-order cat food. Your cut’s on the way guys!

          • I actually considered driving the Tesla I bought with that referral money to come personally thank you. But it only gets a few hundred miles per charge.

          • sharculese

            I truly feel bad about how I don’t use the link when I feel the need to rent Cat On a Hot Tin Roof for the fiftieth time.

            God my life would make so much more sense if I were gay. Also, I just really need to buy Cat On a Hot Tin Roof. Ironies.

          • [reads first paragraph] ‘Oh, I didn’t know sharculese was gay. Why does he hate Ken then? Weird…’
            [continues to second paragraph] ‘…huh. Okay then.’

          • sharculese

            If you can’t be moved by Elizabeth Taylor and Paul Newman’s performances in that movie, you have no soul.

          • The Paul Newman/Elizabeth Taylor one?

          • sharculese

            Shit yes.

          • That one is excellent except for the whole editing around the homosexual subtext.

          • sharculese

            Here’s a hot take: Despite having to take a hatchet to one of the major themes of the play, I think Cat is a better movie than Streetcar. Don’t get me wrong, I love Streetcar, but Tennessee Williams has requires actors who make the roles sing, and Cat does that better.

            Vivien Leigh, Kim Hunter, and Karl Malden all do a fine job in Streetcar, but it’s really the Marlon Brando show and for good reason. I rewatched it a few months ago and, while those first fifteen minutes of just Leigh and Hunter are good, the second Brando walks onscreen I gasped. Because 60 years later it’s still obvious that what he was doing was new and different.

            Cat, on the other hand, features a trio of brilliant performances in Tayor, Newman, and Ives, all of who are doing different things but all of who bring just the right notes to their characters. And then you have Mae Sherwood, who maybe isn’t quite on their level but is right there under it. Just an absolutely stunning series of characters brought to life.

          • I think I agree with that. I watched Streetcar first and although the performances by Brando and Leigh resonate with me, I think Cat is just a more interesting movie. You feel the heat and tension through your screen.

          • the sky is falling

            Just sayin, probably not too much overhead involved in getting someone to write a weekly review of survivor. I don’t run a high profile website, but if I was a better writer I’d do that shit for free. survivor is life, survivor is all.

          • the sky is falling

            If we did everything to get paid, this site wouldn’t exist.

          • sharculese

            Oh dear, how is this my hobbyhorse now:

            Todd expanded the scope of TV Club way beyond what was financially sane, and they were paying a shit ton of freelancers to recap a billion fucking shows, and most of those recaps were costing more to pay for than they made in ad revenue.

            And for forever, nobody noticed or cared, but then Univision bought the company, ran the numbers, and said “please stop throwing money into this bottomless pit.” So they had to pare coverage down to the shows it made financial sense to cover, which turned out to no be very many.

            This is a different project. It’s not a business, it’s a labor of love from two people who are deeply into Survivor. We’re a fan community. I wrote about what feels like fifty hours of Australian Survivor for free for this place because it’s a community I belong to. If The AV Club had asked me for that, I would have immediately said “are you going to pay me?” It’s a difference.

          • DrVanNostrand

            That’s a really important difference. It’s really tacky (sleazy?, unethical?) to use free labor to boost revenue at a for profit site. If you’re for profit, you should at least be paying the shitty wages people pay freelancers on the internet these days.

          • turgid_legume

            One of my favorite TV critics is Alan Sepinwall. But the site he works for, Hitfix, is a steaming pit of hell — distracting/overpowering ads, auto-playing videos, clickbait titles, all the worst things of modern web media sites. But if that’s what it takes in 2016 to get the money that is required to pay a professional like Alan a living wage, then I can’t complain.

          • Alycia Swift

            Sepinwall used to be the critic for the state newspaper in Nj the Star Ledger. I thought he left Hitfix

        • andythesaint

          The opposite.

          • Something Quirky

            If you did this site to get paid, everything wouldn’t exist?

          • sharculese

            Can nothing exist? I kind of want that right now. (Before anyone gets worried, this is an election thing, not a suicide thing.)

        • Hornacek

          What are you talking about? They’re getting rich off of those Amazon pennies!

      • Something Quirky

        She was doing alt-text again, though!

        (I have a weird obsession with it.)

    • DrVanNostrand

      I’ve checked in and it looks like she just puts up a list of stray observations most of the time, and then opens up a comment section. Which I think is cheating.

      • Hornacek

        It’s better than the alternative, which was nothing from Carrie.

    • Ike1

      Yeah, those came back this season beginning with episode… three, maybe? They’re mainly intended as a place to comment and discuss, not as recaps. I get the impression that it’s just supposed to be a few bullet points, but Carrie is nice enough to usually make it a pretty lengthy series of cool observations.

  • Mike Hirsch

    Oh, so this is neither here nor there, but I just found out the other day that my wife works with Jeremy’s brother. I find that neat, in a six degrees of separation kind of way.

    • His twin?

      • Mike Hirsch

        Younger brother, I believe. I suppose that could still be a twin.

      • Mike Hirsch

        My mistake, older brother. Which still doesn’t rule out twin.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Does she try to get him to say, “These guys are sooo duuumb!!” all the time?

  • Saturday Night Palsy

    Maybe I heard this wrong (my hearing isn’t as good as it used to be because I went to too many shows that Matt wasn’t old enough to go to), but when Taylor told Jay about Adam’s plan to vote out Will didn’t he (Taylor) specifically tell him not to tell Will? And then Taylor goes straight to Will to tell him?

    • DrVanNostrand

      You must’ve heard wrong. Why would Taylor do something that was erratic and poorly thought out?

    • Purplerockmatt

      i think the idea was dont tell him until jay and taylor decide what to do

    • corndogshuffle

      To be honest I’ve tried to stop thinking about anything Taylor says or does. I don’t think it’s a good idea to assume anything he does has any logic or semblance of a plan.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        What? He almost engineered a bowling!

        • corndogshuffle

          Too bad he had to bail on bowling night to do whatever he was doing with Figgy.

          • Alycia Swift

            Or his baby mama.

          • corndogshuffle

            Or… both?

          • Alycia Swift

            I actually thought of that after I posted. You and I seem to think alike a lot.

          • corndogshuffle

            Between all of the things that we seem to agree on, we seem to be very similar minds. It’s amazing that two people of different generations could think alike, I never would have realized that was possible!

          • Saturday Night Palsy

            I can’t wait until Figgy tells him her surprise at the reunion.

        • I’ve accepted the fact that Taylor is a complete idiot, and now I’m more entertained by him than I am irritated. This is shaping up to be a really great post-merge cast.

    • Something Quirky

      Well, Taylor actually went straight to Jay, who told Will.

      • Saturday Night Palsy

        I thought Taylor told Will.

        • Something Quirky

          Whoops, I just remembered a mess of hair telling him.

  • Alycia Swift

    Does anyone recall – was Michelle the first member of the jury?

    • Purplerockmatt

      yep she was

      • Alycia Swift

        So a huge jury. I wonder if that’s the norm now. And she’s not on the prejury trip with Figgy.

        • corndogshuffle

          It’s hard to tell if this is a trend. Cambodia and MvX will obviously have the largest juries to date, but Kaoh Rong only had seven once you factor in Neil being voted off.

          • DrVanNostrand

            Maybe that’s Jessica’s advantage.

          • Ah yes, the advantage that everyone exists because it’s only been mentioned twice over the two months the show has been running.

          • Hornacek

            Did you mean “everyone forgets exists”?

          • Yes. That’s why I wrote that originally and absolutely didn’t go back and edit that word into my previous comment.

          • Hornacek

            If you had gone back and edited that comment to put the word in, I’m sure that you would have used the correct verb tense.

          • Exactly. 100%. Couldn’t agree with you more. Which is why I definitely didn’t go back and edit it a second time, since I never edited it a first time.

          • corndogshuffle

            Oh Christ.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I’ve thought all along that it must be that (or something equally game-altering) to justify it just having it dangle like a sword over the game for 30 or so days.

        • Hornacek

          If it’s a final three that means 10 people on the jury, which is a huge number. Any chance we could see another “kick a person off the jury” reward this season?

    • sharculese

      Yes.

  • Alkanarra

    So I wonder if Jay is rethinking his masterful “vote out my stick-to-the-numbers meatshield in favor of Brett” plan right about now….

    • DrVanNostrand

      I thought the same thing. The nerds may have had enough votes either way, but voting out Michaela and alienating Hannah made it a blowout. As others mentioned, they were close to having a vote splittable majority.

      • Alkanarra

        If Hannah sticks with Michaela, I think the nerds get nervous about their numbers and just play it safe with Adam’s name floating around (who they didn’t much like anyway), but either way, it definitely wouldn’t have *hurt* for her to be there. If anything, she probably would have been the target over Michelle since “they won’t suspect us to vote for that person” is always code for “the woman”.

        • the sky is falling

          Let’s stop this fiction that Hannah is anything other than a goat, she is terrible at survivor

        • Actually I think, judging from his eagerness to mend things with Taylor, that the might have been able to pull Adam in to vote with them as well. Not something I’d have said prior to this episode, but I think all our opinions of Adam’s gameplay have just taken a dip.

      • Baulderstone

        It basically guaranteed the nerds went with Gen X. With Michaela around, making the jump would have been possible, but more iffy.

        • Hornacek

          I think the nerds were going with GenX whether Jay voted out Michaela or not.

          • Baulderstone

            I think that is possible, but remember that Michaela laid out her whole vision of Millennial unity in her last episode. She would have at least tried to bring the nerds back in.

            What happened tonight could have happened anyway. It’s just that without Michaela, what happened tonight was really the only thing that could have happened.

          • Hornacek

            Michaela would have tried, but Zeke and Adam knew that they were on the bottom of the millennial alliance pre-tribe expansion. I really can’t see them going back to that, no matter how persuasive Michaela could have been. Besides, what was she going to tell them? “Yes, I betrayed you in the Mari vote and chose to keep Figgy but if you come back to the millennials now I swear I won’t betray you again!”

            Besides, both Zeke and Adam made new bonds with the GenXers on their post-expansion tribes that probably mean more to them than anything they had on the millennial tribe.

            And even Hannah, I’m not sure she would have stuck with Michaela and not gone back to Adam and Zeke. She seemed very eager to regroup with her nerd alliance. Yes she was upset about Jay voting out Michaela, but I never got the feeling that she and Michaela were that close.

          • StormofCuteness

            I completely disagree here. We saw Adam sucking up to Taylor. He clearly wanted in. I totally saw Hannah become very close to Michaela. It was a bad move just like getting rid of Michelle wasn’t the smartest move when they had the numbers. Clearly, they could have taken out a bigger target because idol or not, then was a blindside.

            Which is why, I think you’re wrong about there not being a subconscious male privilege thing going on with all the women getting voted out. Neither of these two had to be voted out at all.

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            I don’t know how much time was left between that meeting on the beach and tribal, but if Gen-X plus Zeke and Hannah realized that the DoucheForce was targeting Adam, maybe that free them up to move for a bigger target, i.e. Jay or Taylor. If they play the idol, then (1) it’s flushed, (2) Adam goes, which they were planning to do later anyway, and (3) they keep an 8 to 4 majority. So go to Adam and say some Gen-Xers are pushing back, they want the big threat gone, we can’t vote without them.

            Had that played out (assuming no one wanted to risk splitting the votes), and had Adam played his idol too, that would have been even more interesting

          • Hornacek

            We saw Adam sucking up to Taylor, but I think he was just keeping his options open, trying to work with him. Didn’t he say something like this?

            When did we see Hannah and Michaela getting close? I don’t remember anything before the tribe expansion, and after that the only time they interacted that I can remember is when Michaela yelled at her during the challenge (at least she added that she loves Hannah).

            When Hannah talked about getting revenge on Jay, she didn’t say “I’m gonna get revenge for Michaela, my friend and alliance partner.”, she said that she wanted revenge because Jay betrayed her and left her out of the vote because he thought so little of her. So unless I’m forgetting any scenes, I don’t think Michaela and Hannah were that close.

            Jay saw Michaela as a threat. Whether he was right or not, that’s why he voted her out. He saw her as someone that would be a danger to him later in the game, so he got rid of her when he had the chance. I didn’t see anything about him thinking “She’s a girl, I’ll get rid of her.” In fact, he seemed to think of her as his biggest competition on that tribe (and maybe in the game).

            Michelle was voted out because they couldn’t vote out their intended target (Will) and thought one of Jay/Taylor might have an idol, so of the three of them they chose the target that was the least likely to have an idol played on them. It didn’t seem to have anything with her being a woman, it was about picking the least likely person in a minority alliance to have an idol played for them.

            I have not seen any proof that these women are being voted out because they are women. But like you say, maybe it is subconscious, which means we wouldn’t see it. But there seems to be enough explanation for each one to say that they were voted out for reason other then them being women.

          • StormofCuteness

            I guess you missed John’s very well-reasoned post then. I refer you to it because you clearly refuse to see what is so obvious to many others who post here…many of whom are women.

          • Hornacek

            I did read John’s post (I think I know the one you’re talking about), and it was very well-reasoned and well-thought out, but like I said, I don’t think it’s obvious that these women were voted out because they were women. If it was then the show isn’t showing it to us. What we have seen is that in each case, each one was voted out for specific reasons – poor challenge performance, seen as a threat, not socializing with the tribe, etc.

            If I see 9 Volkswagon Beetles on the way home today that doesn’t mean that every car is a Volkswagon Beetle.

            If you can show me a secret scene from the previous episodes where the men say they want to vote off any of these women because they are female, then I will gladly say “Ok, these men voted them out because they’re sexist.” I just don’t see it, and am not ready to leap to the conclusion that because all of the people voted out except one are women, therefore the remaining male players MUST be sexist.

            Sorry, just my opinion. Not better or worse than yours or anyone else here (male or female).

          • StormofCuteness

            Perhaps I’m feeling a bit overly sensitive about the implicit sexism that men have towards women in this country because of the election, but maybe it might be worth it to wonder if that isn’t a factor here as well. I think it is, obviously, but you seem to want everything to be overt when most of the -isms often aren’t. Not to mention that many have given arguments for how voting out some of the men the last two tribals would have made even more sense than taking out Michaela and Michelle. Just because you agree with the producer’s edit/justification doesn’t mean they were the only ones or the right ones.

          • Hornacek

            The last two tribals wouldn’t be the first times where they voted out someone when there was a much better target available. Just because they did it these times doesn’t mean the cause was sexism.

            Seven women get voted out in the first eight episodes. Does that mean they were voted out by sexist men? Well, based on what I saw, I can’t say that conclusion is accurate because I don’t see the evidence. Like I have said before, if you look at each vote-off individually, there are ample reasons to vote out each person.

            And sometimes an alliance just decides to vote out someone for a simple reason and then fixates on it and won’t change their mind, like the millennials wanting to vote out Adam – they should have put aside his double-dealings and used him and gotten rid of him later, but Taylor and Will were fixated on having their revenge on him and wouldn’t change their mind. If they had targeted Chris instead maybe they could have done something with that. Was them targeting Adam proof that they were against him personally or anything he represented? No, Taylor wanted revenge for Figgy and for trying to get the target put on Will.

            I’ll admit this is probably the worst week to argue this point, and I don’t mean to make anyone feel worse than they do. I live in Canada but I felt sick Wed night and horrible all day Thursday. It’s a dark time for all Americans, but especially women and minorities.

          • StormofCuteness

            Will you also admit that there may be an underlying sexism at play that the men (and you) aren’t even aware of?

          • Hornacek

            Yes, but will you admit that there is an equal chance there may not be? That these women may have been voted out for reasons unrelated to their gender?

            Lack of proof is not proof.

          • StormofCuteness

            Actually, no I will not. There is not an equal chance IMHO. I’d say there may be a bit for some of them, but no way an equal chance for 7 out of 8. So, I guess we’ll never see eye to eye on this. Which is fine.

            Also true: I do not believe any of these men think they are sexist even when their decisions show otherwise. Many people with privilege have this same problem.

          • Hornacek

            Again, I haven’t seen anything to make me think the men (and women) voting out these women are doing it for sexist reasons. I can’t say “Well, there’s no proof, but it must be true so the proof must be there but not visible.”

            Don’t mean to cause a fight, just agree to disagree I guess.

          • MsFjordstone

            I’m female, and I don’t see those boots as sexist, either.

          • Hornacek

            Thank you. For awhile I thought it was just me.

            I didn’t mean to offend anyone, which it seems like I have. Probably the wrong week for me to state my opinion about women and sexism.

          • MsFjordstone

            I should add: I’m not only female; I work in a male-dominated, traditionally sexist field, so you’d think I’d be easily triggered by such things if they were apparent, or even happening in a subtle way.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            No, it’s fine. The whole ethos of PRP is that we can disagree about stuff and still be chill.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            “It didn’t seem to have anything with her being a woman, it was about picking the least likely person in a minority alliance to have an idol played for them.”

            I don’t think those two things are unrelated.

          • Hornacek

            Ok, look at the alliance of Taylor, Jay, Michelle and Will. Will has immunity, so you have to put your votes on one of Taylor, Jay and Michelle. You suspect one of Taylor and Jay might have an idol. If that’s true, who are they more likely to play it on to save one of them – the other guy, or Michelle?

            Taylor and Jay are BROS. Jay likes Michelle, but the two guys are definitely more closely aligned and bonded then one of the those guys and Michelle. So if one of the guys has an idol and decides to play it, it’s very likely that it will be played for Jay or Taylor, not Michelle.

            You can say that there’s sexism in this situation on Jay and Taylor’s part, because they’re bro-ing down and the idea of using an idol to save her instead of using it to save their bro probably hasn’t occurred to them. But I don’t see anything indicating there was sexism on the part of the majority alliance in choosing who to put their votes on. They looked at the Triforce alliance, assessed their situation, and decided who would be the one to be least likely to get an idol played on them.

            And remember – Will was their first choice. They wanted to vote out him.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Sorry for being vague–this is exactly what I’m saying:

            “You can say that there’s sexism in this situation on Jay and Taylor’s part, because they’re bro-ing down and the idea of using an idol to save her instead of using it to save their bro probably hasn’t occurred to them.”

          • Hornacek

            Ok, that is an area on the show where I can agree that there is probably some sexism. But even there I think it’s more that Jay and Taylor want to help out the bro’s in their alliance more than them not wanting to help out the woman in the alliance.

            But I don’t think the choice of the majority alliance to vote out Michelle was sexist. They chose the member of that alliance who was least likely to get an idol played for them – don’t we see this all the time in previous seasons?

          • MsFjordstone

            So does that make it sexist when the women buddy up, too? Was Figgy being sexist when she publicly called out Michelle as her closest ally that time? I’m being serious: if there’s a standard being set,I believe that it has to work both ways.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            But the situation of men and women, white people and minorities, etc. in society isn’t symmetrical–on Survivor no one tries to make (or worry about) men’s alliances, because “men’s alliances” are just “alliances”. It’s why an Association of Female CEOs (for example) would be useful in a way that an Association Male CEOs wouldn’t, or why there isn’t White History Month.

            I’m about to write more in reply to another comment, but I think people are talking past each other because we’re conflating things like prejudice, overt sexism, implicit bias, structural sexism.

          • MsFjordstone

            I’ll concede that you have a fair point. Nonetheless, I still think too much is being read into this.

          • Diego Armando

            I think Michelle was picked because they suspected Jay had the idol and Taylors name had come up already, so she was the safest vote.

          • StormofCuteness

            They easily could have split the vote between Jay and Taylor. They had the numbers. “Safest vote”, I believe, subconsciously means because she was female. Clearly, others disagree, but to me, as I said, it’s worth considering that there just might be some male privilege at work on that island just like there still is in this nation.

          • Diego Armando

            I agree there may have been some underlying gender bias, but this group was too large and new to take the risk of splitting votes. With 5-4-4 numbers, a Tyson could screw up everything.
            I think the overall outrage over this move is only partially about Survivor.

          • Baulderstone

            Yeah, that is all true.

      • Prom King

        I think it’s an even bigger blown opportunity than that. With Michaela, he also has Hannah and loses an enemy vote in Bret or Sunday. All he’d have to do is somehow bring back Zeke or Adam into the fold, and he’d have the numbers to just pick off all of Gen-X. Such an unnecessarily backstabby move.

        • Yeah, I think this is total vindication for all of us who were opposed to the move last week. With Michaela and Hannah there are six strong Millennials in a tribe of 13, and we just SAW that Adam, for whatever reason, still wanted to work with them as well. Sure, there’s still a risk of ending up on the wrong side of a 6-7 split, but that’s still better odds than 4-9.

          Jay is still in the game, so we can’t completely write him off, but it’s certainly not good for him that Hannah arrived at the merge all ‘Jay is orchestrating things, he is a massive threat, plus he totally backstabs his allies’.

          • Prom King

            That move upset me so much that I didn’t come to Purple Rock to check out people’s reactions – didn’t even want to think about it after it happened. So I’m definitely looking for vindication that it was the wrong move. Didn’t take long!

            Great point about Adam, I forgot about that.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Yep. the risk is maybe just maybe Michaela flips but it’s like a 1% shot at this vote and only like a 10% chance later in the merge or 100% Bret goes back to the Gen-Xers. I couldn’t have disagreed with Andy more about it being a good move. Jay wouldn’thave had to be the one to put her on the jury if he was smart, he could have got others to do it and kept her vote on the jury. She was too strong a challenge player to be left too long but they could have had her here.

          • andythesaint

            This is going to shock you, but I’m not willing to concede that anything that happened tonight proved that last week was a bad move.

      • Kemper Boyd

        they definitely have a vote splitting majority now and have voted together so will be able to trust it more.

    • Baulderstone

      Rethinking his plan would involve a great amount of reflection than he has displayed so far, but possibly.

  • Bloodbuzz Bunk

    So I am newbie here to Purple Rock. I was a long time lurker back at the AVC and I have posted in Carrie’s stray observation only threads. Seeing as those threads are hit in and miss on activity and are currently harboring anti reality tv sentiment I finally read through all the comments and figured out were everybody had gone to. Thank you guys for having a place to smartly discuss Survivor and I’m gonna give the podcast a try! Below is my copy and pasted thoughts from the AVC for this week.

    Well that went as expected. Jay has to regret taking out such a strong ally like Mikayla but he should regret tying himself of Taylor at the hip. Taylor is so awful at Survivor. I can’t wait to see how this big Nerd + GenX alliance will split in the next few weeks because it appears that it is made up of three solid and evenly dispersed voting blocks which means that this could get interesting in a few votes with whoever the last of the Young Bro trio is left as the swing vote holding an insane amount of power.

    • Alycia Swift

      Welcome.

      • Bloodbuzz Bunk

        Thank you for having me

    • sharculese

      Hi. We’re the super chill place that discusses Survivor and stays friends even when we disagree. Also we’re super liberal. If that’s a thing you’re down for, then welcome aboard.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Do we stay friends? DO WE? Yeah, we do.

        • I don’t know: we almost unfriended each other over Oasis.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Nah we didn’t don’t hyperbolise.

          • I guess not. #LoveyouBay

          • Don’t look back in anger, Barbara.

          • I guess you are going to be the one to save me.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Dude, welcome. If the Douchebro trio (sorry Will) get to stay long enough to be swing votes I will not enjoy this season at all.

    • Hornacek

      To quote John McClane, “Welcome to the party, pal.”

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        John McCain’s party? I thought this was a safe space
        /s

        • Hornacek

          Yippe-ki-yay, Republican Party.

    • gouis

      Welcome! This place is much more diverse and positive than what currently exists in the AVC. Everyone here has different favorites and reasons why they like Survivor. Much better than other places online.

    • Diego Armando

      Welcome. New faces are always welcome, provided they are not tools.

    • Diego Armando

      I think the target will remain on the bros until Jay is gone. The other players have recognized his threat level.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Oh hey, they sort of went with the plan I speculated about on the predictions page. This was a pretty good merge episode (and a nice momentary distraction from current events in the U.S.). I was really thinking Adam was in trouble at the end there, since he was such a strategic trainwreck this episode but looking back it was pretty obvious that the Gen-Xers plus the nerds would stick with their numbers to weaken the bros.

    • Streets_Ahead

      He didn’t get voted out but I still think Adam is in trouble. He is not playing well right now.

      • DrVanNostrand

        Some day, they’ll be working on a vote split, and they’ll realize that none of them really trust Adam. At which point, he’ll have outlasted his usefulness.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          That’s exactly what I’m thinking. Now that the alliances are a bit more solidified, I think they’ll split the votes between Jay and Taylor next week, with the intention of voting both of them out over the next two votes, but they’ll vote out Adam with the second vote instead.

      • Alycia Swift

        While I think he might outlast Taylor, I think Zeke is going to cut him after that.

  • Diego Armando

    TAKE THAT TRIFORCE; THIS IS ADAM’S ISLAND.

    ADAM WISHES HE COULD HUG ALL OF YOU AND FIGHT OFF PUNY-HANDED TROLL. ADAM SORRY.

  • Kent McK

    This reward steal advantage is so stupid. Why would you ever use it? Hey Adam, you’ve won a reward! Use it and half the tribe will immediately hate your guts. Congratulations!

    • Diego Armando

      I would only use it for a final challenge prep reward. Anything else and you are a dick.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      That’s exactly why I love it 😀 It’s such perfect sabotage for anyone stupid enough to use it. It’s like the Trojan horse of advantages!

      • Kent McK

        Production must have been praying that Taylor was going to find it and make a total ass of himself. Maybe that’s why they made it so easy to find.

        • Saturday Night Palsy

          That would have been comedy gold.

    • turgid_legume

      In an alternate universe, Adam reads the clue, instantly realizes it’s total cancer, and immediately gives it to Taylor to attempt to shore up their bond. Taylor of course creates fireworks by using it in the dumbest way possible.

      • Kent McK

        Yes! I was thinking something similar. He should have put it back, asked Taylor for help getting water and then been like: “is there a bug up there or something Taylor? What is that?”

        • turgid_legume

          Oh wow, that would be some masterful trolling. If a player pulled that one off they’d be a legend.

      • DrVanNostrand

        In the alternate universe where Adam isn’t terrible at the game, you mean?

      • Violina23

        That’s exactly what I was hoping for ….

      • Alycia Swift

        Or as revenge takes away a reward Adam wins or is on.

      • Ooh…bad wording, dude.

        • turgid_legume

          Wow, how did I not see that. Doh.

          • I get what you were going for, because Taylor would do that. He is becoming a less likable Wes Nale for the momen.

    • Hornacek

      If he uses it to steal a reward from Jay, Taylor or Will, who in Adam’s alliance is going to be mad at him?

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Good point, especially if it’s a reward with a “take somebody with you” component.

      • Kent McK

        Does he really have an alliance after last night? Seems like his supposed closest ally Zeke is ready to throw him under the bus.

        But to answer your question, I think that no matter who he steals it from, yes even Jay, Taylor, or Will, it is going to make people really mad. I am of the mind that winning a reward challenge is already a dumb move because everyone you don’t take is going to hate you and talk trash about you the entire time you are gone. This advantage makes winning a reward that much worse. Not only are the people that you don’t pick going to be pissed, but some of them are going to be doubly pissed off because they had a reward won, they were thinking about how great it was going to be, and then it was taken away from them. Plus, in addition, people are going to be like “what a sneak. he had this advantage and didn’t tell us, what else is he hiding from us?” I really can’t see anyway that this will benefit Adam at all.

        • Hornacek

          As far as Adam knows, he has an alliance with Zeke and the GenXers. He didn’t use his idol, which means he trusted them when they told him that they were all voting for Michelle.

          If he uses the reward-steal when Jay/Taylor/Will win a reward that gives them a real advantage in the game, like an advantage in the next immunity challenge, or a giant meal before the last challenge, or an hour of practice before a challenge, I think Adam’s alliance wouldn’t mind him using it. As long as it’s a situation where the alliance really doesn’t want one of those three to have that reward.

          And if Adam is going to piss off everyone by keeping this advantage a secret, then he should never use his idol because when he does everyone will be mad that he didn’t tell everyone about it. By this logic, no one should ever use an idol unless they tell everyone they have an idol immediately after they find it.

          • Kent McK

            Yeah, those scenarios would probably help out Adam (except the actual advantage; if people know you have it, it seems like a death sentence). Thinking a bit more about it, maybe save it for final 5, steal the reward and try to lock down a final 3 deal (assuming you can bring 2 people with you, otherwise it would be a disaster obviously).

            And I do think there is a huge difference between using this advantage and playing an idol. Both present risk, but this advantage provides little reward, whereas playing an idol correctly can win you the game.

  • Alycia Swift

    So after tonight, who do you still think has a shot at winning? And who is going home soon? And who do you actually want to win? Mine: :

    1. Zeke;
    2. Ken (he’s gone under the radar and may be in a holding pattern);
    3. Jess (if she gets rid of the above);
    4. David;
    5. Chris (who also seems to be under the radar);
    6. Jay

    No chance:Sunday, Bret, Will, Hannah, after tonight Adam and Taylor

    I think going home soon: Bret, Adam and Taylor but not necessarily in that order, followed by Will and Jay. Sunday and Hannah – one of them will go deep but be the goat. Maybe both.

    I’d be ok with 1-4.

    • Purplerockmatt

      I actually think Adam still has a chance, but I think it is Ken or David

      • Diego Armando

        Zeke is in the running.

        • Purplerockmatt

          Zeke is getting a different edit in my opinion

          • Alycia Swift

            What do you mean?

          • Purplerockmatt

            Fan favorite edit, same as Michaela.

          • Alycia Swift

            Okay. I see. Do you think he will have a big downfall like Michaela?

          • Streets_Ahead

            I’m thinking he goes out at final 4/5 like many favorites in the past.

          • Purplerockmatt

            I think a little earlier, maybe 6-7. First of what I imagine the emerging core alliance to fall

          • Sadie

            I really like Zeke but he is primed for a fall. He is a fun, favourite but he has a bit of a sinister tone in his confessionals, I see him getting too confident

      • gouis

        I dunno Bret did get random confessionals about the merge so edgic says hes’ the winner. OWB

    • Diego Armando

      1. Zeke
      2. Ken
      3. David
      4. Adam (the story is still portraying him as a hero)
      5. Jessica
      6. Jay
      7. Chris
      8. Hannah
      9. Taylor
      10. Bret
      11. Sunday
      12. Will

      • Alycia Swift

        Good point about the hero.

      • Streets_Ahead

        This past episode I though showed him in to much in a negative light in terms of game play. It’s possible that it’s to set him up for a big rebound but I’m leaning towards not.

      • DrVanNostrand

        He gets a good edit, but he’s so bad at this game, I can’t see him winning. And not just boring bad like (OW)Michele. I mean, he’s actively bad.

    • Kingoftonga

      I feel like Chris and Jess have been too invisible to win. I wouldn’t write off Hannah yet – the amount of time spent on her panic attack that one episode make me think it’s possible they have some big “overcoming the odds” narrative that ends with her as a Fabio/Bob style winner (and this season is giving me that vibe)

      I agree that Zeke/David/Ken seem to be the top 3 most likely winners based on the edit.

      • Alycia Swift

        I do have to have hope for a woman. But then again, Probst likes the season.

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        I agree on the Chris & Jess thing. I had them picked as my winning alliance from the pre-season (hence why they make up most of my fantasy team right now) but we’re just not getting much of them in the edit.

    • Kent McK

      I really want David to win, he is the best character on the season and a David win would be so very entertaining.

      Second, I guess Zeke. He is a smart guy and he seems to have a great grasp on strategy, so if he pulled it off it would make for some good TV.

      Third, Jay. I just like Jay.

      After that, Will and Taylor are the only winners that would offend me. Oh and Sunday, I forgot there was a Sunday on the show for a minute, and yeah, if she wins, the rest of the season is probably going to suck.

      In terms of who I think will win, I think it is Ken. David has a decent shot too. I’ll be surprised if it is not one of those two.

      • Alycia Swift

        Ok if its Ken, David and for shits and giggles one of the women, say Jess, who wins and is it a vote for the person or against the other?

        And I’m not thinking of the election but rather last season.

        • Kent McK

          See I think if David gets to the end then he is going to win. He has that magical ability to not piss people off when he screws them over. Seems like people are willing to say: “oh he voted someone from my alliance out? It’s just David being David, isn’t he kooky?” That type of person is tough to beat.

          • Purplerockmatt

            it is the tony quality

          • Sadie

            People will blame themselves. They saw someone playing hard and failed to act.

            Plus David seems very nice, way less abrasive than Tony, so that will only help.

          • Alycia Swift

            But he could be looked at like Tai – who turned on allies as well but was nice and well liked.

          • jersey_luck

            I personally think it would actually be either Ken or Jessica because the jury would like those two more then David.

      • Hornacek

        David seems to have had the biggest transformation since day one. From neurotic nerd afraid of everything (including chopping sounds) to comfortably sitting around and discussing strategy. It’s hard to believe it’s the same guy.

        • Sylvisual

          It’s like he’s SoPa Cochran and Caramoan Cochran all in one. Let’s not forget he got his choice of boot tonight.

    • Bloodbuzz Bunk

      In order
      1) David, based off edit and game management so far.
      2) Chris, excellent social game and challenge threat. Also had a sneaky good edit
      3) Zeke, seems like a good wildcard as he has got solid ties to the two above him in my rankings and is running his own voting block.
      4) Jay, runs his block and has an idol which makes him a wildcard if he can convince another bloc to switch from this three bloc alliance.
      5) Jess/Ken, both are able to make a move if it becomes clear they are riding David’s coattails. Both could make a move with the other Gen Xers.

      The rest just don’t have the edits or a real clear path to the finals to me.

    • Prom King

      I usually go by the edit rather than by actual immunity/challenge/strategy accomplishments. Athough I’m not an edgic person. (I think many edgic followers use faulty logic. But hey they were right about Michele so what do I know.)

      1. Ken – Feels like a winner’s edit to me; even when he doesn’t have a confessional, he has interesting screen time. Personality is always portrayed as positive and complex.

      2. Zeke – I’m not sure if he’s a dark horse or if he’s meant to be an entertaining distraction/fan favorite like Michaela. Featured regularly, always complex and relatable.

      3. David – Feels like he is who the editors want us to think will win and maybe even root for as an underdog. Complex and strategic but a lot of negatives give him both depth and clear weaknesses. I rarely see as many weaknesses portrayed in a winner as I’ve seen in David. Even more importantly, he has a growth edit that reminds me of many strong underdog type characters who ended up dominating but still didn’t win, from Kathy Vavrick to Holly to Caramoan Dawn to Second Chances Spencer to Aubry & Tai.

      4. Chris – Featured regularly, often positively or at least in an interesting or central way. Still, he’d need to have a lot more successful strategic moves to make up for how out of the loop he was in the beginning of the game.

      5. Hannah – An entertaining distraction. Featured heavily at times but often invisible.

      6. Bret – A somewhat less entertaining distraction. Featured heavily at times but often invisible.

      7. Jessica – The edit only cares about her when it has to care about her, otherwise she’s rarely a focus point. Which is surprising because she potentially has a lot of interesting material.

      8. Adam – A real long-shot. Lots of positive, complex material and he’s frequently highlighted. But his social and strategic weaknesses are also consistently highlighted.

      9. & 10. Will & Sunday – It’s like the editors don’t care about them and so they don’t want the viewers to care either because there’s little to care about, narratively.

      11. Jay – Cocky Strategic Villains rarely win, except in Borneo and Thailand. The only thing that gives me pause is that the edit has made sure to centralize his (irritating) commentary on the season’s theme.

      12. Taylor – Cocky Stupid Villains never win (except in real life).

      As far as who I’d like to win, I’d be happiest with Ken or Zeke or David.

      • Alycia Swift

        Good points. #11 – its centralized his (irritating) commentary but also centralized his sort-of terrible bro-ey commentary as well (the bowling comment for example). His is not as bad as Taylor’s but as we go along and the balance is 9 men to 3 women, it looks worse.

        • Prom King

          Yep, I definitely agree with that.

    • Kemper Boyd

      My list is:

      1. David
      2. Ken
      3. Jess (agreed on her needing to dump Ken and David and Zeke).
      4. Adam (he’s just getting a lot of screentime and I feel like he could turn it around)
      5. Chris (unlikely)
      6. Jay

      Taylor, Hannah and Sunday are perfect goats at this point.

    • I wouldn’t completely count Adam out. His edit looked pretty good in the beginning (this isn’t me trying to do edgic – it just seemed like he was getting a lot of screen time), and this really felt like his episode. He seems to be getting credit for a lot of things, although I may just be saying this because he was my preseason winner pick.

  • Sadie

    After this vote, David is now the only person left in the game to vote for the boot at every tribal attended. Crazy.

    Also, I can totally see next week getting crazy. Jay is a likely target but people seem worried about Adam. Two threats, both with idols.

  • turgid_legume

    They created the perfect challenge for David’s matchstick physique.

    • sharculese

      Nah, you need serious muscle tone for that challenge. Not bulky, just toned.

  • Other Scott

    Two thoughts: Woman to man ratio left in the game – 3 women, 9 men. This is getting to be worse than Fiji from that standpoint and I never thought anything would be worse than Fiji. (This still has Fiji beat in most other ways, notably no one going on a rant about how feminine another male player is.)

    I’m not sure who did worse this episode, Jay or Adam. Adam was very clearly very very bad, but Jay, you can’t sit back and revel in your power and be the Godfather. People see that. You need to continuously be consolidating and make sure the people who most are deciding who’s going home are your swing votes, not your people in your inner circle. It was just a really bad look for him this episode.

    I really liked Will this episode though, I wish I stole him from Roswulf in fantasy now.

    • DrVanNostrand

      Hey, according to Probst, Rocky was just helping Anthony become a real man. He was doing him a favor. Some people are just ungrateful.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Also if you are going to sit back and be the Godfather you have to actually have the power. That and have a boat to lean back on.
      http://i.imgur.com/ht8D1.gif

      • Other Scott

        The major difference of course, is that a) Kim is just better, and b) Kim was sitting waiting for people to come to her, and Jay was actually barking out orders.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Literally my point. You have to be in power and good to be a Godfather. Jay is neither.
          Always use Kim as the example because Kim = Perfection.

      • VoicOff

        i wish someone would stabilize this gif

  • Side Character

    Emma was right. Imagine if we saw Michaela get voted out this week. Many of us probably would go more insane than we already have. Still thankful we have each other here.

    • Other Scott

      At least she’d be on the jury though.

      • Hornacek

        Imagine if Michaela had been voted out this week, was on the jury … and then she is voted off the jury at the final three by, let’s say Jay.

        • Alycia Swift

          Can you imagine her as the new Queen of Ponderosa?

        • Ms. Sweaterfan

          RAGE STROKE

      • Side Character

        To which she would flip the bird, Savage-style.

        But yeah, she would’ve given some great jury faces.

  • StormofCuteness

    So I just found out that you can now use Disqus again if you read Dalton Ross’ EW Survivor recaps (which I always do)!

    Not sure if any of you are Dalton fans, but it’s a relief that EW has come to its senses and brought back Disqus. Hard to imagine there are worse options, but they had found them.

    • Hornacek

      I noticed that today too. It’s consuming enough to keep up with Survivor Disqus comments here and the AVClub, but now on EW.com too? My Thursday productivity at work is bad enough now.

      • StormofCuteness

        I know, I know and yet…

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      I quit reading Dalton’s comments way back with Caramoan because of spoilers. Have you experienced that over there lately? If they’re getting better maybe I should try going back…

      • Ms. Sweaterfan

        Although, Purple Rock owns my Survivor commenting heart

        • Awww. We’re glad to have you.

      • StormofCuteness

        I haven’t, but, again, everyone had fled because of their horrible platform. Now that it’s Disqus hopefully it’ll be better. I don’t really remember spoilers before though so ymmv.

      • sharculese

        I quit reading them because of the gross misogyny and terrible jokes.

      • Violina23

        I stopped a few seasons back when he would make bad jokes that went for half a friggin’ page… I usually still went to the last page to look for the Probst interview though…

  • In retrospect, Jay’s master plan kind of looks like

    1. Vote out Michaela
    2. …
    3. Win.

    Never have I seen someone who was so on it one episode seem so careless/unaware of their position in the game the next. (I await your corrections with eagerness.)

    • Bloodbuzz Bunk

      I think 2 in his mind that Brett and Sunday are super grateful man and Hannah will chill out and vote with me so that’s 7 or Hannah, Adam, and Zeke will not realize their on the bottom and vote with me and that’s 7. All leading to 7>6 victory brah!

    • Baulderstone

      I agree in general except for the part of him being on last week. I was saying in last week’s discussion what a terrible play that was. If there had been no merge this week, he would have voted off one of the strongest challenge player. That could easily have sent them back to Tribal. he would have been there with one ally and three other people who didn’t really like or trust him (Hannah, Bret and Sunday). He wouldn’t be guaranteed to go home, but sure would be in a far more dangerous position.

      Of course, we did get the merge, where Jay entered as the guy with an Millennial’s fresh blood on his hand, making him look both untrustworthy as well as a threat, right at the point in the game were you really don’t want to paint a target.

      Keeping Michaela around another week would have been great as she would have been someone you could easily point to as the “big threat”.

  • Something Quirky

    Carrie stopped doing alt-text again. Stupid Trump.

    Also, if you were playing “things people say before they’re voted out” bingo, Adam would have a full house, including the preview for next week.

    • Baulderstone

      I’d also throw Jay’s kingpin speech in there as well.

      But yeah, Jay is a master of the game next to Adam.

  • Baulderstone

    One nice touch in the editing this week was having showing Zeke say, “I never trusted you” during the voting. As they had that earlier clip of Zeke and Hannah talking about not trusting Adam, it made me wonder if he was really flipping.

    Of course, it’s not really surprising that he would say the same about Michelle either.

    • Kemper Boyd

      That is when I posted “use your idol Adam”.

    • I feel like they do that once a season to emphasize the importance of that vote. First example of my mind is Spencer voting out Joe. While we don’t see his vote, we do here that he thinks this could make or break his game.

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    Wait – was this the season where they said they were having trouble casting women? Could that have been production preemptively blaming the women for being decimated? 😬

    • Kemper Boyd

      I don’t think the women are that big a problem. Figgy gave entertainment, Michelle had a game mind, Michaela was a superstar, Mari was cool as fuck.

      • Yeah, they actually did a pretty good job of casting women this season. I don’t think Lucy, Rachel, or CeCe necessarily added much to the show, but the others were good finds. Basically, they did an excellent job casting Millennials and a mediocre job on Gen X.

        • turgid_legume

          I agree that there’s a differential, but I have to object to this GenX bunch being labeled mediocre. Looking back on seasons with non-returnee players, most of them had one or more extremely vile people, your Jason/Scots, your Will/Rodneys, Rocker/Julia/Drew/Jon, J’Tia, Brandon/Shamar, etc. I know that it’s hilarious to remember fondly some of these people and their antics, but there have been a lot of just really cringe moments, like Rodney telling women how they should act, or Kyle Jason being an absolute shitbag to Alecia.

          My point is, this is the first newbie cast in a long time where I haven’t found myself actively hating anyone or grinding my teeth hoping someone would just shut the fuck up and get voted out already. That has to count for something. The GenX tribe has one or two standouts, and a few with unexplored potential, but the rest are at least competent.

          • Yeah, I should clarify that my “mediocre” comment was in reference to that group not having many standouts. But I had the same discussion with my wife while watching last night- at least none of them are horrible people.

          • Alycia Swift

            I have to agree with the exception being Taylor and Figgy for me. Mostly everyone else was “meh” or I like them. And the couple does not rise to the level of Rodney, Jason/Scott, Brandon/Shamar, Dan/Will, Drew.

        • Yeah, because they are secret Baby Boomers.

    • According to Inside Survivor, it was and the 5 they cast last minute reportedly was the 5 obvious WOC.

  • Something Quirky

    @hornacek:disqus
    Was it you who said you were having trouble with the real time updating on this site?
    I just got to the bottom of the comments, clicked on ’10 new comments above’, and went nowhere, but the bar changed to ‘4 new comments above’. So yeah, it’s not working for me either.

    (edit: Huh, and a bunch of comments have disappeared.)

    • Alkanarra

      It’s just Disqus. With larger volumes it tends to swallow comments, so if you click the “x number above” it just won’t be there. There are comments I saw yesterday – and even one of my own – that didn’t load in the page today when I opened it. If you reload the page you might see the missing comments again, but good luck remembering where they were.

    • Hornacek

      The EW.com page and the AVClub page for this week’s episode work fine – I click the “see new reply” link under a comment and it appears.

      But on this site, if I click one of those links, the page moves (like I hit Page Up) and the comment that had the “see new reply” link is gone (and any other comments that were replies to it gone as well). I end up having to reload the page, and click the button at the bottom of the page a bunch of times to get all the comments displayed again.

      So it doesn’t seem to be just a Disqus thing, unless the Disqus on this site is different than on the EW.com and AVClub pages.

    • Violina23

      I think it’s just disqus in general being buggy. I tend to reload if I left the window open and come back a few hours later…

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    I was kind of surprised that there were no idols played, considering that the first post-merge tribal is usually the most chaotic. David could comfortably hold onto his, but both Adam and Jay knew that votes would be coming in their direction, so why not make sure you’re still around for people to be sketched out be? And where did Jay think his voting bloc was? The simplest answer I guess is we just weren’t shown him approaching Gen-Xers, but more reason to make the merge ep 90 minutes, as someone suggested (sorry for forgetting who that was)

    • Kemper Boyd

      To be fair Jay didn’t know votes were coming for him, nothing indicated Jay and Taylor knew anything beyond Adam wanted Will but they were getting Adam. They looked confused that it didn’t work.

      • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

        I guess I’m thinking that Adam targets Will as a shot at Jay but Will wins immunity, then the next logical targets are Jay and Taylor. Maybe that’s too much to expect Jay to figure out. The confusion is the missing part because we only saw Jay wrangle up five votes (him, Will, Taylor, Michelle, and Hannah), so from what we saw, they never had a majority.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          As for Jay’s voting bloc, I think the most likely explanation is that he assumed he had Bret and Sunday’s vote, and they told him they could swing, say, Jessica.

          • I assume they also still thought they had Hannah since she is standing there after the IC and strategizing with them.

          • Purplerockmatt

            right, bret, sunday and hannah is 7 and enough

        • The best part of Michelle’s Parade interview is when she admits she didn’t know who else was supposed to be voting with them either.

        • Kemper Boyd

          yes but Jay and Taylor ain’t all that bright together. Taylor thought Adam was going after Will because he wanted Jay free to align with.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Oh and yeah they never had the majority but it doesn’t mean they didn’t think they had it. It’s all ego.

  • Legitimate question: Do you think they are keeping all of Taylor’s Figgy confessionals in now just to show his gameplay or to troll him ala Dan Foley?

    • Hornacek

      It can be yadda yadda yadda.

    • Alycia Swift

      Well would they have known about the pregnancy/Figgy dating/and they fallout? Aren’t these also edited long before they are aired? Would they have re-edited this to add more after what happened when Figgy was ousted?

      • I don’t know, but I am sure that Production is aware of Taylor’s situation.

    • andythesaint

      I think there’s a story here.

      • As in a potential winner edit for him? Oh, God, I don’t think I could handle Taylor as a Survivor winner. My initial read of the situation is that this is the crappy version of Natalie Anderson’s revenge edit. Remember, Natalie could have easily took out Jon at the Stick to the Plan TC, but she didn’t.

        • andythesaint

          No, not a winner’s edit. But a story.

          • Okay, I am getting off the ledge now. I can see how this story leads to Taylor’s boot because his lust…I mean pure love for Figgy has caused him to play emotionally, rather than strategically (which was an astute observation in one of Michelle’s confessionals).

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            The stupid, smirking man-child with no plan other than revenge glides through to the end and wins, defying everybody’s expectations and all common sense? C’mon guys, it’s only 1:00pm on the west coast and I’m already out of everything except the brown liquors.

          • Worst winner than Fabio easily. At least Fabio was likable to the majority of people besides NaOnka whose opinion doesn’t count because she’s the worst.

          • Alycia Swift

            Didn’t she actually like him and vote for him even though she was a bitch to him?

          • She liked his FTC performance, which in all reality isn’t bad. Nicaragua’s FTC is not that bad, considering the garbage heap of that season.

          • Alycia Swift

            The word selfish should be added too.

            I can’t see him winning after stealing food and calling it a medical emergency. Everyone knows.

  • VoicOff

    Doing women alliance isn’t a strategy on Suvivor, it’s basic survival if you are a woman
    Men sucks

    • Kemper Boyd
      • Hornacek

        Jerri was so evil in Australia. She wanted to flirt with Colby, talk about chocolate, and form an alliance. BURN HER!

        • Alycia Swift

          And search through Kel’s bags and accuse him of eating beef jerky.

          • Hornacek

            One of my favorite parts of that season is when Jerri asks her FTC question “Have you done anything you’re ashamed of?” thinking they’ll have to own up to how they voted her out, and Tina turns it around saying that “someone” convinced her to search Kel’s bad (that person being Jerri) and that she feels bad that she did that.

          • The best part of it all? Jerri giving Tina her vote despite her answer.

          • Hornacek

            Well, she hated Tina embarrassing her like that, but she was scorned by Colby. And you know what they say about a woman scorned.

          • Yeap, yeap, yeap…but Jerri got her revenge on both of them a few seasons later.

          • Hornacek

            She evolved into one of the most likable (and liked) players on HvV. Who knew?

  • andythesaint

    Any mailbag questions?

    Note: no album lists this week. Gotta let it breathe.

    • jersey_luck

      Can a bad pre merge ruin a season for you?

      • Preemptive answer: It can definitely sink a season to a lower tier. Prime example is San Juan del Sur, whose pre-merge is definitely among the very worst, but post-merge may be to high-to-mid tier. But, because of the pre-merge being so awful, it gets considered among the mid to low tier of seasons. I am not saying that it is a great season or anything, but a lot of the criticisms of that season can be pinned on the pre-merge.

    • Alycia Swift

      I did put questions on another thread re concerts but you can save that for another time if you want.

      • I like that one. I might modify it slightly, though.

    • Kemper Boyd

      What are the 3 seminal movies of each generation?

      • I think that is tricky because Andy’s Gen X movies may not match up with John’s due to their different cultures. I also think gender plays a big role in that as well. I would say that Mean Girls is seminal for a millennial girl, but I don’t know if I would say that for a milllenial guy.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Oh when it comes to my friends I know Mean Girls is gender neutral.

          • I know of at least two millennial males who just don’t like it.

          • Kemper Boyd

            well they are just bad people. But also my millennials were all 15-17 when it came out and many saw it in the cinema. Some of them are also straight males.

        • Purple Rock Emma

          It’s also tricky because John doesn’t watch movies.

          • Hasn’t he seen Die Hard?

          • Of course! I’m not a monster!

          • I guess I am a monster.

          • Black Dynamite

            Goddamn, the list just keep getting longer, Barbara. Go watch Die Hard, listen to Lauryn Hill and watch Palau (which my phone now auto-fills after I type the word “watch”).

          • I should have known that you were making a list for me.

        • Alycia Swift

          I think it works for GenX too (female. My husband could care less).

          • Good to know. I wonder if Mean Girls works for young Millennials because of the absence of social media and reliance of…HOME PHONES.

          • I think Clueless was our Mean Girls.

          • Alycia Swift

            I have never seen that movie. Maybe Heathers is more appropriate. I watched Mean Girls because Tina Fey wrote it.

          • MsFjordstone

            I’m Generation Jones (tail end of Boomer gen by pure year, but thinks and acts more like a GenXer), and Heathers is a top-tier movie for me.

          • the sky is falling

            Heathers, dude, CMON!

            “If you wanna fuck with the eagles, you need to learn to fly.”

          • I think Heathers is definitely for a certain segment of Gen X girls, but not in the same way that Clueless is, despite the fact that it is about a very elite section of society.

          • That sounds right.

          • indescribable hat

            Clueless! Can Clueless be my Mean Girls too?

      • Alycia Swift

        The answer for every generation is The Muppet Movie. 🙂

    • Who is your favorite merge boot?

      • andythesaint

        Boston Rob

        • I have to find a question that you can’t answer with Boston Rob.

          • andythesaint

            I enjoy the challenge.

          • I got one! What is the funniest season to you?

          • Black Dynamite

            I really like this question. I may answer with a ranking tomorrow.

          • There are some definite top contenders (Panama, HvV, Tocantins, Cagayan, Philippines).

            PS: Have you revealed what episode would confirm your title as resident PRP ranker to me?

          • Black Dynamite

            I will also finally continue that series tomorrow. I got distracted last week by the music discussion. It won’t confirm my title but it’s a premiere you’ve mentioned previously.

          • I just wanted to make sure that I hadn’t missed any like I did a couple back.

          • China.

          • Holy crap, I forgt about China.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Gabon: Hilarity is the only thing that keeps it above Nicaragua.

            Vanuatu: The humor in this season is underrated, just like everything else in this season is underrated.

          • I haven’t seen Gabon. But, Vanuatu is an oddly funny season.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            You didn’t participate in the rewatch over the summer? That made it a lot more bearable. If Gabon wasn’t so funny it would easily rank below Nicaragua in my book.

          • I was going to but decided not to.

    • turgid_legume

      Do we have enough data yet to evaluate whether a merge at 13 works? How does it affect things, and is it an evolution for the better?

    • Violina23

      This might go with @disqus_R9cNRvxsfG:disqus ‘s question, but what is your top movie that you LOVED as a kid, but are embarrassed to admit now? (Or, that you might still love for nostalgia, but admit it was pretty bad…)

      • turgid_legume

        Let’s see… Space Camp, Over the Top, Short Circuit, Police Academy, Funny Farm, The Last Starfighter, Mannequin, Look Who’s Talking, Adventures in Babysitting, … I feel like the 80s is easy mode on this one. But for the number one pick I’d have to go with Runaway. Special mention goes to Howard the Duck which I remember liking but not loving so I can’t quite include it on technicality.

      • DrVanNostrand

        Short Circuit for sure. It was on TV a few months ago. It has a white dude with the most offensive Indian accent ever…. IN BROWNFACE!

      • Alycia Swift

        Or your guilty pleasure. The one you always stop and watch when you are flipping channels.

  • VoicOff

    Seriously, Taylor was RIGHT THERE, being an arrogant moron, STEALING FOOD and people where like “I want this douch to stay around”

    UGH
    UGH
    UUUUGGGHHH

    I guess Taylor is a goat now

    • andythesaint

      Just like the rest of you, I am shocked that a player who every knows is failing socially and is really stupid was not voted out. That almost never happens.

      • VoicOff

        Everyone ? Did you missed the part where the other bro-dude saw him being a moron and went to make friend with him, even revealing his avantage ?
        He is not failling socially.

        • andythesaint

          I’m not sure you’re winning your argument by revealing the actions of the second stupidest player out there as much as you think you are.

          • VoicOff

            No you don’t understand.
            Will, Jay and Adam are all walking over themselves to work with Taylor.

          • Alycia Swift

            Well Jay and Adam at least think they can manipulate him. Will, who knows what he thinks?

          • DrVanNostrand

            Will thinks, “What does Jay want me to do today?”

          • andythesaint

            Because of his amazing social game?

          • VoicOff

            His social game is being a dude.

            It’s a patriarchal dynamic. You can say “Oh, he has zero chance to win” but the fact is: he is given the chance to live another day. Theorically he could be a Fabio and turn things around. He is given support

            We see those dynamic in real life aaalll the time. Maybe the guy is slightly looked down on (tho, there is very little evidence of that from the millenials) but other men like him and keep him around and share their ressources and contacts with and provide support to him in a way they would never to the “other”. It’s a social role you can play. You can be the jester, the slightly helpless moron that makes people laugh. If you are a dude.

            Social game is, as Michell said “The people you mesh with”

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Thought experiment: If Taylor wins a secret stash of food and decides to share it, does he get accused of not sharing ALL of it? If Will Sims clumsily steals from the leftovers in the middle of the night, do people decide to cozy up to him? Does he get to laugh it off at tribal?

            (and hell yes, I’m not comfortable defending Will Sims)

          • andythesaint

            I think we may be exaggerating the number of people who cozied up to Taylor in this instance.

            One guy. One really fucking stupid guy.

            So could that happen with Will? Sure, Rodney might have been absolutely fine with it. Also, Will didn’t exactly face a lot of recriminations for the secret stash of food. Three people on the outside tried to raise a fuss about it because they were on the outside. The majority of the people there didn’t bite and instead, sat silently as he laid into his accusers in an incredibly abusive way.

            Meanwhile, people actually wanted to vote Taylor out this week.

  • andythesaint

    Attention @sharculese:disqus – we have a Ponderosa dog. THIS IS NOT A DRILL.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/08efbdd63f2015a4967e3800b8e07b77ab0924e981e9108f917f46ab620269e3.png

    • Alycia Swift

      This one is less scruffy than Kass’ dog.

      • sharculese

        Yeah, Kass’s was baseline level dog, what my brother calls an RFD. This one has recognizable breed characteristics, although I’m not sure in what proportions.

    • Sadie

      Oh he’s so cute! I would be so happy!

    • sharculese

      OH HELL YES!

    • sharculese

      Did they say what his name is? Because, if they didn’t his name is Byron. That’s a Byron.

      • Sadie

        He’s so stumpy! Ponderosa should always have pets. It would make players leaving the game feel better

        • sharculese

          If Ponderosa has a weight room it can have a puppy room. And then afterwards Survivor adopts out all the Ponderosa puppies.

          • Sadie

            Is it weird that I have a vivid memory of a random reward in Guatemala and Jeff introduces the dog “Pepeto and puppies”

            Best reward ever!

      • andythesaint

        No name was given. He just strolled up all chill to Michelle and she gave him some good pets. Because he’s a good doggo.

        • sharculese

          Good for her. I’m just curious because that doesn’t look like some local cur, that looks like a corgi/beagle mix, but he doesn’t appear to have a collar.

          • Something Quirky

            It looks weirdly familiar, like I’ve seen that same mix before, but maybe what I’ve seen was just a giant Jack Russell or something.

          • Something Quirky

            Huh, so I was googling and turns out a Beagi is an actual thing, because of course it is.

          • sharculese

            I didn’t realize it was an actual thing, I just saw a fat Corgi body with stumpy Corgi legs, but also a scent hound’s face and markings you would expect from a beagle.

            But yeah, of course it turns out that’s a thing people do.

      • Alycia Swift

        No Lord in front of it?

    • Wait, does this mean that we weren’t far off when we were joking about dogs just randomly appearing during Ken’s confessionals?

  • I honestly don’t know why I still like Adam, but I do. I guess the general abundance of paranoid nerds on this season is making me really happy.

    I’m a little concerned about where the next few episodes are going. We’ve been spoiled with some really strong early post-merges recently, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the next few boots are kind of predictable (which is a shame, given the strength of the last few episodes).

    I’m sure I’m not alone on this, but Survivor is a really great distraction this week (especially since I missed watching live in favor of a crying session with some friends).

  • I have heard of an interesting discovery made by the place that I cannot mention. Apparently the merge note has an interesting code which makes the odd wording actually make sense. I will post a picture of it, so you can see if you can figure it out for yourself.
    https://i.reddituploads.com/8d2153726e034ae0b25d9f95f15d5e32?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=541cb0e259e2c00cd77122d23516dae1

    • Something Quirky

      That’s pretty cool.

      • the sky is falling

        whoa! got it! neat0

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      That is very cool. I wonder if I would have gotten it. The wording and “initial” are a big tipoff, and my brain would be fully functioning after the feast, but I would be too paranoid to write it down in the sand or mouth the letters to myself.

      • I had to type out the initals and that is under normal circumstances.

    • Alycia Swift

      Ok. I don’t. But I am barely functioning since I’m on deadline for a document.