Ultimate Survivor Winners Bracket – Classic Division

Time to decide the Ultimate Winner of Survivor. For the next month or so, we’ll have weekly polls pitting former winners in head-to-head match-ups until we get from 32 down to 1. While we cannot tell you how to vote, the intention of this tournament is to judge winners by the season in which they won, not their collected body of work. You decide what that means to you and what the Ultimate Survivor Win looks like.

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We begin with 16 of the first 17 winners in Survivor history. (Pearl Islands Sandra has been eliminated from the tournament by Heroes vs Villains Sandra).

1. Richard Hatch (Borneo) vs 17. Bob Crowley (Gabon)

I’m gonna be honest with you guys: if Richard Hatch doesn’t win this matchup by at least 98%, I am gonna be mad as hell. Because on the one hand we have Richard Hatch, the man who invented the game we love. The man who defied the odds and changed the game before there was even a game. Richard Hatch is a goddamn legend and Bob Crowley might just be the worst winner ever. Remember when Bob allied with the people who got voted out at the merge, one by one? Remember when Sugar dragged him to the end for no good reason? Remember when he barely beat Susie by one vote?!? But sure vote for Bob, throw your vote away. Remember how well it went when people voted for the lulz in 2016?

-Matt

1. Richard Hatch (Borneo) vs 17. Bob Crowley (Gabon)

  • 1. Richard Hatch (Borneo) (97% Votes)
  • 17. Bob Crowley (Gabon) (3% Votes)

Total Voters: 168

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9. Chris Daugherty (Vanuatu) vs 10. Tom Westman (Palau)

While the fact that Andy may go on a rampage if Chris wins may be enough to sway some troll voters, let’s think this through: Chris managed to win despite being a major underdog — the last man standing in a battles of the sexes season. Tom, on the other hand, is the kind of front runner that makes Andy have to change his sheets after dreaming of Palau. Chris, with lots of prodding and suggestions thrown his way, managed to be a useful vote to turn the tables on Ami. As the leader of the most dominant tribe there has ever been and ever will be, Tom won five individual immunities, survived a potential women’s alliance because Caryn sucks, and convinced his closest ally and biggest threat to essentially quit at the final three. Chris would need to team up with at least 8 doughy losers to ever have a chance against Tom.

-Emma

9. Chris Daugherty (Vanuatu) vs 10. Tom Westman (Palau)

  • 10. Tom Westman (Palau) (83% Votes)
  • 9. Chris Daugherty (Vanuatu) (17% Votes)

Total Voters: 164

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4. Vecepia Towery (Marquesas) vs 14. Earl Cole (Fiji)

Okay I know that these matchups are just based on chronological order, but the first two black winners are pitted against each other in the first round? Yikes.

Can I be honest? I really don’t remember much about Vecepia. A couple of summers ago, we planned to do a Marquesas rewatch and I didn’t even make it to the merge. Vecepia is one of the show’s quieter winners, who managed to survive being down in the numbers when those on the bottom flipped on the Rotu Four. Going up against Neleh and her used mint didn’t hurt either.

Earl went from being a prospective contestant on The Amazing Race to being the first unanimous winner of Survivor. He overcame one of the most unfair twists the show has ever had, and partnered with one of the most delightful contestants of all time in Yau-Man. The pair, some of the only likable people in the cast, teamed up to find two immunity idols. At final tribal council, Yau-Man confronted his friend, asking why Earl would vote him out. The winner of Fiji showed importance of being straight-forward with your answers. “…because I would not win.”

-Emma

4. Vecepia Towery (Marquesas) vs 14. Earl Cole (Fiji)

  • 14. Earl Cole (Fiji) (89% Votes)
  • 4. Vecepia Towery (Marquesas) (11% Votes)

Total Voters: 159

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8. Amber Brkich (All-Stars) vs 11. Danni Boatwright (Guatemala)

Amber is the reason that people choose the bland pretty girl as their winner pick for every returnee season, and Danni is a lesson to never let that last person from a minority alliance get to the end.

Danni won challenges to get to the end and stayed appealing enough to get Rafe and Stephenie keep her instead of Lydia. She also managed to form a bond with Rafe so that he “released” her from taking him to the end. Plus, it turns out Stephenie is less fun when she’s winning.

Amber was Rob’s more palatable partner, working with him to slay your faves. She then proceeded to marry him and have four babies that seemingly only carry her genes.

-Emma

8. Amber Brkich (All-Stars) vs 11. Danni Boatwright (Guatemala)

  • 11. Danni Boatwright (Guatemala) (69% Votes)
  • 8. Amber Brkich (All-Stars) (31% Votes)

Total Voters: 156

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2. Tina Wesson (The Australian Outback) vs 14. Parvati Shallow (Micronesia – Fans vs Favorites)

Tina and Parvati are more alike than you’d think. They’re both social players who were taken to the end by close allies who initially seemed like strong winner possibilities. Of course, Amanda likely loses either way, while Colby would have easily beaten Keith in the end.

In a world that only knew Richard Hatch, Tina showed that you can be nice and win the game as well. Parvati formed the most notorious female alliance of all time.

According to Jeff Probst, Tina is a mom and Parvati is a flirty sex kitten who flirts.

-Emma

2. Tina Wesson (The Australian Outback) vs 14. Parvati Shallow (Micronesia - Fans vs Favorites)

  • 14. Parvati Shallow (Micronesia - Fans vs Favorites) (75% Votes)
  • 2. Tina Wesson (The Australian Outback) (25% Votes)

Total Voters: 163

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6. Jenna Morasca (The Amazon) vs 12. Aras Baskauskas (Panama – Exile Island)

If Rob Cesternino wasn’t so happy with his podcast empire, it would be an outrageous snub to keep him off Survivor: Game Changers. People had flipped on alliances before, but no one had jumped back and forth between different people the way he did, not to mention having to maintain Matt’s sanity. But he failed to win the final immunity challenge, so we got stuck with Jenna instead. She almost quit the game and gave up an immunity necklace, but she also and won four individual immunities (two at the exact time she needed to) and was smart enough to take the potential serial killer to the end.

Cirie Fields actually is on Game Changers and is one of a handful that actually deserves the nomenclature. Her growth arc is legendary and her 3-2-1 vote has influenced many a blindside. She quickly became a fan favorite for both her personal and strategic acumen.

Aras was also on the season.

-Emma

6. Jenna Morasca (The Amazon) vs 12. Aras Baskauskas (Panama - Exile Island)

  • 12. Aras Baskauskas (Panama - Exile Island) (58% Votes)
  • 6. Jenna Morasca (The Amazon) (42% Votes)

Total Voters: 162

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3. Ethan Zohn (Africa) vs 15. Todd Herzog (China)

Ethan was the nice guy in a dominant alliance featuring two main allies with some fringe players who voted with them. One of those fringe players took him to the end, knowing she would lose either way, preferring to lose to the nice Jewish boy instead of the sneaky, tattooed, surprising challenge beast.

Todd was in a dominant alliance featuring two main allies along with other people they voted with. One of those allies was the nice girl who he absolutely decimated in the final tribal council.

Neither Ethan or Todd played particularly flashy games, and they’ve both had (very different) health problems after the show. But Ethan had it in the bag as soon as Lex contracted a stomach bug, while Todd snatched victory from the jaws of defeat at his top-notch final tribal council. An easy win due to consistent strategy and an amiable personality is a perfectly respectable way to win the game. It just depends on what you value more.

-Emma

3. Ethan Zohn (Africa) vs 15. Todd Herzog (China)

  • 15. Todd Herzog (China) (80% Votes)
  • 3. Ethan Zohn (Africa) (20% Votes)

Total Voters: 162

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5. Brian Heidik (Thailand) vs 13. Yul Kwon (Cook Islands)

A lot of people think Brian is one of the top winners of the show and that Yul’s Tyler Perry idol (née the God Idol) was an unfair advantage. But let’s keep in mind: Brian beat the odious, prototypical goat Clay Jordan by one vote. Yul beat arguably the best challenge competitor there has ever been by one vote.

Yul is also, by all account, a good person. Brian…. less so. Take that as you will.

Emma

5. Brian Heidik (Thailand) vs 13. Yul Kwon (Cook Islands)

  • 13. Yul Kwon (Cook Islands) (80% Votes)
  • 5. Brian Heidik (Thailand) (20% Votes)

Total Voters: 163

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Emma is the token chick of the Purple Rock Podcast. She has watched the show continuously since the second episode and is pretty sure she's never seen the pilot.

Favorite seasons: Heroes vs. Villains, Micronesia, Cambodia, Cook Islands, China, Philippines

Favorite players: Courtney Yates, Parvati Shallow, John Cochran, Cirie Fields, Yul Kwon, Kim Spradlin
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  • Mike Hirsch

    Some tough matchups here! Jenna vs Aras was the toughest for me. I can’t in good conscience vote for Aras, but *Jenna*? Ugh.

    • Hornacek

      Don’t forget, Jenna also gave up individual immunity at tribal, giving it to Heidi. It didn’t matter, neither of them got votes that night. But still, it wasn’t a strategic move to help her win the game, she seemed pretty checked out at that point. Hardly part of a winner’s edit.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        Totally disagree. It was a strategic move, which she has since discussed. Because she had previously talked about quitting, she knew they were less likely to vote Heidi out. However, they might vote for Heidi, so she gave the necklace to her. Granted, it could be an after-game justification, but I’m inclined to believe it, because why else do it? I think the editors were not exactly interested in giving her a winner’s edit. I’m not saying there aren’t reasons for that, but it doesn’t mean she was an un-strategic and antisocial player – I think the votes cleared that up. Rob has said as much since – he’s said that he’s not sure he could have beaten her because of her social game.

        EDIT: She has also said it was emotional manipulation of Heidi (and probably a way of saying “I’m loyal, UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE, AMIRITE?”)

        • Hornacek

          “which she has since discussed.” Yeah, I’ve heard her post-game RHAP interviews – I choose to take them with a dump-truck full of salt. What I saw on the TV was someone who wanted to quit, didn’t care about getting to the end, and gave immunity to her friend, not her alliance partner. There didn’t seem to be any strategic thought behind it.

          And I don’t think anyone left in the game at that point doubted that Jenna and Heidi were loyal to each other. It was pretty obvious, and probably something that annoyed most of them.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            But it didn’t probably didn’t annoy them. That’s my point. We didn’t like her, as an audience. But the people on the jury, with the exception of Christy (who voted for her anyway, but I digress), did like her. Enough to vote for her 6-1 and enough for Rob not to be confident about winning if up against her.

            My point about the loyalty was not that people didn’t know that – it’s that it was pointing out the difference between her and Rob to the members of the jury.

            Have you heard Survivor Historians discussion of Amazon? They have a lot to say about Jenna’s portrayal.

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I disagree with Mario Lanza on like 90% of his opinions, so Survivor Historians isn’t really my jam.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Completely fair – I can’t stand his opinions of Chris. This one makes sense to me though just because the result is so incongruous with what we see.

          • Other Scott

            I actually agree with like 90% of his opinions but finds the way he delivers it to be pretty odious a lot of the time.

          • Hornacek

            I don’t think the jury was voting for Jenna because they liked her; they voted for her because they thought Mateo was a weirdo and didn’t deserve to win. Some of them did like her but most of them thought she didn’t do anything to win, considering how she wanted to quit (I think twice).

            I haven’t listened to the Survivor Historian’s, but I rewatched Amazon with Rob and Jenna’s commentary, and even Jenna admits the mistakes she was making, and that Mateo could have gone up against anyone and lost.

          • Max_Jets

            Jenna probably has Heidi, Alex and Dave locked up if she goes against Rob though. She was a legitimate jury threat.

          • Hornacek

            It was a simpler time, where you could just make it to the end and win just by being nice. A different era that we’ve moved on from.

            (remembers that Kaoh-Rong happened just 2 seasons ago)

            Never mind.

    • purplerockandy

      Aras deserves some credit for somewhat holding together the most dysfunctional functional tribe in Survivor history.

      Not a lot of credit, mind you. But enough to vote for him over Jenna.

      • Purplerockmatt

        Aras held it together because the rest of his alliance was ready to sacrifice him to Terry’s idol the minute Terry stopped winning. Still deserves to be beat Jenna though

  • Max_Jets

    Amber is getting more votes against Danni Motherfuckin’ Boatwright than I am comfortable with. (sidenote: did you know that Sophie and Danni have the same middle name?)

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      I’m very uncomfortable with the margin right now. Danni should be clobbering her.

      • purplerockandy

        Sure, I mean all Amber did was be a part of a power duo that controlled the entire game.

        • HBO CEO of Tits

          She over came getting as screwed by the swap as its possible to be.

        • Max_Jets

          Amber is fine, but Danni overcame all the odds.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Danni benefited greatly from Rafe being a giant idiot. Danni had no control there

          • Max_Jets

            Rafe was dumb, but Danni also joined the majority because she was so good. I’m not surprised if you aren’t a Danni fan though, since Michele is basically the poor man’s Danni (and even that is underselling Danni)

          • Purplerockmatt

            here is what i can’t get past with Danni, who in their right mind votes out Lydia there instead of Danni. that was beyond insane. I usually compare Danni to Chris because both won through huge unforced errors on their opponents behalf (but Danni is better than Chris)

          • Max_Jets

            It’s bizarre, but my understanding is that it was because 1. Danni was sick 2. Lydia was also a jury threat 3. Rafe wanted to maximize his chances of getting to the end with his deal with Danni. (& 4. Rafe isn’t cutthroat enough for Survivor) It’s still a bad move though, and obviously Rafe throws the good from it away at the end anyways. I’m also pretty sure Danni would have taken Steph regardless. Danni is hard to rank, but I think of Danni as one of the only flawless Survivor wins – even if you think she didn’t do much, she also did everything right.

          • I also believe that Rafe thought him and Stephenie would have a better shot against Danni because they thought the IC would be like Hand on a Hard Idol or something like the Bob Bob Buoy challenge. However, they happen to pick the worse possible challenge for both of them: a challenge that leans more heavily towards taller people that wear hats.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I think that’s possible – I mean, he and Stephenie were both good challenge performers (I say this with a little chuckle, given Steph’s first season). It was 2 against 1. However, they had to know that Danni had a shot no matter what the challenge – she was athletic enough. Compare that to Lydia – she wasn’t winning anything, ever.

            I think @Max_Jets:disqus probably has the analysis right in terms of Rafe’s thinking. And Danni was taking Steph no matter what, I’m pretty sure of that. And I couldn’t have summed it up better myself: “even if you think she didn’t do much, she also did everything right.”

          • I don’t even think Lydia could win a fish catching challenge.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            And there really was a fish catching challenge the very next season!

          • Well done!

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I’m glad that you can at least acknowledge that Danni is better than Chris.

            I agree that Danni’s opponents made unforced errors – but they weren’t all unforced. Not in my view, at least. I’m not saying she’s the greatest of all time, but I think it takes a pretty competent player to win under those circumstances. And no, Chris doesn’t compare to me because he had someone literally telling him what to do in order to win – his runner up. It always bugs me that he gets credit for this amazing move that was in no way his.

          • Black Dynamite

            When I rewatched the Vanuatu episode “Surprise and Surprise Again” for my Best 33 Episodes list that I eventually finish, I was astonished at how much Chris fell backwards into a great situation and how much Twila had to spell out each step of what Chris should do.

          • Purplerockmatt

            Oh I hate Chris, and it is a long running joke here that Danni is the better Chris. But I see them very similarly its just Danni is better because as you said Chris’ biggest move had to be explained to him like he was Homer Simpson in the Mr. Thompson scene

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          I think Amber played a good game. I wish we had been shown her perspective more.

          Danni should have been voted out so many gddamn times. She wasn’t. It’s not just Rafe’s final two thing – it’s before that. She should have never gotten to that point.

          • Purplerockmatt

            so you agree that Danni like Chris won because people continued to make huge unforced errors that allowed them to sneak to the end? good. glad we are on the same page

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Disagree. Chris actually had an alliance forged at that point, one member in particular, telling him what to do and feeding him the moves. Danni didn’t.

          • Purplerockmatt

            oh so you give more credit to Chris. weird position, but ok

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Y R U TROLLING ME?

          • Purplerockmatt

            because its fun!

          • Have you never been on this site before? It’s kind of our thing.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            And Matt, Et tu, Brute?

          • Purplerockmatt

            i don’t think that highly of winners whose strategy is “everyone else fucked up” and I think amber actively contribute more towards her win. (and before you bring say Sandra into this, there is a lot more to Sandra’s win than Danni’s or Chris’ or Michele’s)

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I would never, Sandra is the queen.

            I disagree that Danni didn’t contribute to her own win. Judd (Scumbags!) never should have been voted out when he was – and that was a key vote. She orchestrated that. And she pulled out immunity when she absolutely had to do it.

            I’m not saying Amber didn’t contribute. She did. She was good. But she was never tested the way Danni was either. The one time she was, Rob was the only reason that she wasn’t voted out – at the swap. She let Rob take the bullets, which was a good strategy, don’t get me wrong. But I think Danni survived in a way that Amber didn’t. But don’t misread this as an Amber bash – she deserved her win.

          • Purplerockmatt

            to me it just comes down to when I watched Guatemala (which was recent) all I could think about was how the hell people were stupid enough to not take out Danni when they had numerous chances and I thought very little about how Danni did a nice job navigating that minefield. (Whereas when Amber won I noticed a lot of little stuff she did to hold alliances together)

          • purplerockandy

            When Danni won the auction advantage that helped turn the game for her, she didn’t even have to spend all her money. She had already gotten ribs!

            Those idiots…

          • Other Scott

            Is it a hot take to say that Danni didn’t need that Final 6 immunity?

          • purplerockandy

            idk, are things that are almost certainly wrong called “hot takes”?

          • Other Scott

            My reasoning is that if the alliance was going to stick together and vote out Danni if she didn’t win, why didn’t they stick together and vote out Lydia. I think the Axis of Evil was always going to collapse on themselves that vote.

          • purplerockandy

            I think they vote out Danni, then collapse.

            I think not getting to vote out Danni accelerated the collapse.

          • Other Scott

            Possible. No way to know for sure. Even asking Rafe or Steph would probably produce some sort of biased view of history. So this shall be an eternal debate.

  • Maritimer

    Some of these are really tough, but I found these two the hardest:
    Yul is going to clobber Brian, I expect, and quite fairly. but Brian’s game needs to be acknowledged for what it was, particularly at that time in the show’s evolution

    Parv v Tina , because they were playing in two entirely different games basically, but both did it masterfully. It feels like an apples to oranges comparison

  • Emma, I have to disagree with you….

    Romber’s youngest daughter looks just like Rob. The other three are the mini Ambers.

    • Barbara stay holding down the Survivor gossip corner.

      • So fun behind the scenes story: The Praying Mantis Crew definitely talked about this for our International Women’s Day discussion because it is bonkers how similar those three girls look to Amber.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I also mentioned that I find it insane that all for girls have the same middle name

          • It’s after Rob’s grandma…I remember that from a People magazine article.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Still super weird. There are four girls and 4 grandmas. Two for Amber and two for Rob. It’s weird.

  • Hornacek

    If the qualifier is “winner” then Tom should definitely win over Chris.

    But if you’re going by just FTC performance, Chris wins hands down. Tom is … ok I guess (I don’t remember much of his FTC, but he was up against Katie, who no one liked (except Ian)). But Chris had all the right answers, telling the jury that he loved them and was sorry and it was glorious to watch. “Bullshit up to his ears” indeed.

    • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

      Before, I mentioned seeding by jury vote, and Yul was the last seed by that measurement. Clearly, Yul was a better player, than say, Adam, but Yul won by one vote and Adam swept the board. So my question is, is it worthwhile to parse the strength of a Win from the strength of a Player, or is one baked into the other (in either direction)? If we’re separating Winner from Player, what’s the distinction besides jury vote and FTC performance? There are other things that get considered by a jury (though bitterness is among them).

      • Hornacek

        All true. I voted for Tom over Chris in this bracket because I think he’s a better winner when you look at the entire season. But I don’t have any memories of Tom’s FTC performance – I can’t remember if it was great, average, or terrible, if he crushed Katie or he just won by default because no one like her. And I own Palau on DVD and have watched it at least once since it first aired. But I’ve never seen Vanuatu since it aired (even though I love that season) and I still can remember some of Chris’ FTC performance, which was just incredible and hilarious.

        • HBO CEO of Tits

          He won by default because he was Tom Goddamn Westman and he was winning by default against anyone if he made it all the way.

          • purplerockandy

            It gets to the whole “fourth quarter comeback” thing I discussed in the other post. Winning at FTC is interesting, but give me the guy who was already winning before then.

          • Hornacek

            Tom was in control for almost the entire game. Plus he killed a shark with his bare hands.

  • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

    Matt, that Hatch v. Crowley write up was triggering. Throwing you vote away? Like 10k Harambe votes? Stop fetishizing a dead gorilla, idiots.

    • Purplerockmatt

      sorry had to do it (not sorry)

  • PurpleTally

    These matchups are SO much harder than the modern bracket. Also kind of amazing how many people with similar styles wound up against each other.

    • Maritimer

      Like miles away harder. I barely hesitated going down the modern bracket. This one involved a lot of thought

    • purplerockandy

      I think the issue is that early on in the game, there really weren’t that many different ways to win.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      It was not easy to write, I can tell you that much.

  • PurpleTally

    Vecepia’s match-up is a bummer. I think she could make it past a few of the people on this side of the bracket, but Earl’s win was decisive and he played a better game than she did.

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      I think Vecepia is super underrated. I don’t know that I agree she played a less good game than Earl. It’s a tough one.

      • PurpleTally

        Earl just comes off as extra wonderful compared to most of the other people he played against. It’s close though. They’re both extremely solid winners from less than stellar seasons. He just has always gotten more credit for his game than she has. There’s also the fact that he won unanimously.

        • EmAndScoutInBK

          I think Jeff has never been particularly fond of V’s win. Which is really messed up.

          V did a lot of things that went unnoticed – she broke a challenge! There’s a reason we never see fallen comrades anymore. Smart! That shit with Neleah at the end was also smart – and winning. She wasn’t as good at FTC as Earl, but I think she had a more uphill battle than he did, which is saying a lot. The unanimous win gets a lot of credit, indeed, and it’s a feat, but… the win margin doesn’t do much for me because it’s all so circumstantial.

          • PurpleTally

            Marquesas is my least favorite season I actually finished (screw Thailand), and she is I think probably around 25th in my winner rankings. Definitely an underappreciated game, but I still have Earl slightly above her.

          • I would’ve voted for Earl anyway, but I’ll admit that V’s constant invocation of Jesus grated on me. And she also suffers from the fact that the end of that season drags after the fall of the Rotu 4.

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            Yes, given that I’m a big ole Jew, I wasn’t into that either. I never felt like the season dragged though because of the purple rock and the Kathy story.

    • Other Scott

      I voted for Earl, hesitantly, but I think that margin is kind of ridiculous. Earl pretty much had to do nothing all game and Vecepia played legitimately well.

  • purplerockandy

    Comments here are too quiet. Time to throw a bomb.

    I voted for Tina because Parvati’s win is the most overrated in Survivor history.

    • Purple Rock Emma

      You’re the most overrated podcaster in Survivor history.

      • Purple Rock Emma

        And you’re not even very highly rated.

        • Oh shit, I think we just found our next bracket!

          • That is the absolute last bracket you should do. I still think you could do the top Survivor episodes and tribes before you get to podcasters. Also, that would be like a bracket of 16 unless you want to get into weeds of the ones that only reach an audience of like 20 people or the ones that have ended.

          • I meant more that it would be fun* to make you all vote in a Emma vs. Matt/John vs. Andy matchup.

            *not fun at all

          • 1) Poor Mark
            2) Do you really want to do that to yourself? That sounds like a lot of work.

          • Mark only has one podcast appearance. Sample size is too small there.

          • I see a dark horse candidate then.

          • purplerockandy

            We shut this whole site down and delete the archives if any of us lose to a D or a D.

    • Alkanarra

      I find myself agreeing with every word out of your mouth today.

      • purplerockandy

        Never tell me that. Very dangerous.

    • gouis

      BOOOOOOOOOO

      • gouis

        Go back to your BRob shrine

    • Kemper Boyd

      I agree to a degree. The Black Widow brigade plays the best alalliance gam for me in Survivor hIstory. But Parvati didn’t do most of it alone and that means she can’t get sole credit.

      • purplerockandy

        The other thing is that a full quarter of the eliminations that season were either evacs or quits. Two of them saved her from potentially leaving the game.

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      Tina’s win should be respected. But Parvati’s not overrated.

      Justification: Parvati’s win was a group effort that she should get credit for because she was a big part of it. And, she was sitting next to a member of the same group, and they decided she was a person that was more deserving of it. The Black Widow Brigade did something prettttty incredible. The Erik necklace grab was a move that all of them pulled off – and if one of them screwed it up, it doesn’t work. But they did it. The various blindsides – they all pulled it off. Bottom line – does she benefit from the actions of the rest of her alliance? Sure. But she helped BUILD that alliance. And her instincts, the way she reads people – it’s undeniable.

      Though, I will give you – I think it is entirely possible that she played a better game in HvV than she did in her winning season. The biggest mistake was allowing Sandra to sit next to her, and she lobbied Russell HARD to make that not be the case.

      • purplerockandy

        I think Parvati played better in her loss than she did in her win.

        I should also state that “overrated” doesn’t necessarily equal “bad”.

        • Maritimer

          This is my thought too. Its a good win, probably a Top 10 one (we are going to find out!), yet I find it gets more credit than its due

          • purplerockandy

            Another complication is that I think Parvati is one of the very best players of all-time. But her win wasn’t (maybe top third, definitely top half, not top five).

        • Other Scott

          A big fan of her Cook Islands game, eh?

          • purplerockandy

            Bingo

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      Also, the MOST overrated? You going with that?

      • Kemper Boyd

        I actually think Earl is the most overrated winner…

        • Max_Jets

          Oof. I might go…Tony? Tony is great though. I hate the word overrated because it feels like it’s designed to get a reaction rather than actually saying anything substantive. (so Andy used it perfectly)

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            I think Tony probably earned his rating. I think Parvati did, too. Earl.. I didn’t think was that highly rated?

            YOU GUYS, PRP is amazing and terrible for my productivity.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I think Yau Man was so vital to his win that it undermines the amount of praise he got.

          • Max_Jets

            & let’s not forget about the help from literal game changer Stacy “Vote Edgardo” Kimball

          • EmAndScoutInBK

            SO TRUE THOUGH

          • Kemper Boyd

            I didn’t forget it was her. I just forgor her name. I can see her face in my mind.

          • Other Scott

            Stacy Kimball has more of an argument as a game changer than 2/3rds of the cast.

          • purplerockandy

            I was definitely going for a reaction.

        • Black Dynamite

          My heart breaks a little over this statement.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I don’t think he’s bad just overrated.

          • Black Dynamite

            I figured. I just hoped everyone thought Earl was as a great of a winner as I thought. Now I worry how far he’ll go in the tournament.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            One theme that’s already emerging is how to properly value overcoming crisis after crisis (Chris, Denise, Adam) versus preventing crises from happening in the first place (Tom, Boston Rob, Sophie). Earl is the epitome of the latter.

          • Black Dynamite

            That is something I like about Earl’s game so much. He was always in control and everything went through him. Not really flashy but such a smooth game.

      • purplerockandy

        Well… I suppose it depends on who is doing the rating.

        Whichever dank corner of the internet that rates Chris highly makes him the most overrated.

        • I think you are referring to a special corner known as the Survivor Subreddit.

    • Ms. Sweaterfan

      The Tina/Parvati match-up was the only one where I didn’t vote with the majority. I, too, voted for Tina. Not sure if I’d say Parvati’s win is the MOST overrated, but I do agree that her strategic abilities get somewhat inflated by fans. Where Tina’s win seemed effortless and made her very few enemies, I think that Parvati was sometimes intentionally cruel with her game moves in a way that was unnecessary. I also think that she relies heavily on her ability to make people crave her approval. It’s an impressive power, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth for her as a person (reminds me too much of the mean popular girls in middle school).

    • PurpleTally

      100% agree. Parvati was not the dominant winner she’s made out to be. She played a good game, but she also played with one of the best strategic players of all time.
      Tina was the first person to perfect the social game.

    • corndogshuffle

      I’m glad I don’t have to lead the anti Micronesia bandwagon on my own. I also voted for Tina even though I figured she was going to lose. Parvati beating Tina (convoluted/possibly inappropriate comparison incoming) is a bit like Carmelo Anthony making this year’s All Star team instead of Bradley Beal. It’s more like a lifetime achievement award than a reflection on what Melo has actually done this season.

      • purplerockandy

        The metaphor is very strained. Still appreciate the attempt.

        • corndogshuffle

          My metaphors are like the New York Knicks. They just aren’t very good.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            My metaphors look listless in the first half then go on a 22-0 run in the third quarter. They also blow a 3-1 lead in the Finals.

    • I voted for Tina because Tina manipulated someone to throw away a prime million dollar opportunity. Parvati got lucky that a) it was a final 2 and b)her best friend, who won Individual Immunity, was the one deciding and even Amanda knows that going against Cirie would not go well for her.

      Also, let’s not forget that Tina was able to get Jerri to vote for her even after Tina’s passive aggressive answer to Jerri’s question

      • Max_Jets

        Tina over Parvati is a very reasonable call and Parvati did luck out that it wasn’t a final 3, but Parvati was all but guaranteed a final 2 spot after Erik was voted out (and maybe even sooner). Everyone wanted to sit next to Parvati.

        • Even Cirie?

          • Purplerockmatt

            yep, remember Cirie tried to take out Amanda as a jury threat when Amanda played her idol

          • Um….(whisper tone) I haven’t seen Micronesia.

          • Purplerockmatt

            OH COME ON

          • You do realize who you are talking to, right? I am up to having seen half of Survivor, but if it is before Samoa, I probably haven’t seen it.

          • Other Scott

            Wait i thought we were going to watch Micronesia at the same time!

          • We can…I am starting Panama either tonight or tomorrow.

          • PurpleTally

            I am working on it. I promise. She made me sit through Worlds Apart, so I get to make her watch Micronesia. It’s not even a fair trade.

          • Max_Jets

            I believe Cirie is the person I heard say that. I don’t remember which interview though.

          • Max_Jets

            I found it! Sorry about the formatting, my enter key doesn’t work (I need a new computer) http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-cirie-fields-talks-about-her-survivor-micronesia-experience-7097.php “I knew it didn’t really matter what I said because so many people talked about taking Parvati. It was almost like they wanted to take Parvati as a goat because they thought everyone hated Parvati. [Erik Reichenbach] wanted to take Parvati. Natalie wanted to take Parvati. Amanda wanted to take Parvati. I knew it was a done deal had I not won [the Final 3 Individual Immunity Challenge].” and then later in the interview… “Reality TV World: If you would have won the final Immunity Challenge, would you have taken Amanda or Parvati to the Final 2?

            Cirie: (laughing) Honestly? I probably would have taken Parvati. Everyone would have taken Parvati, and rightfully so. (laughing)”

          • Thanks for the deets!

  • Ms. Sweaterfan

    These match ups made voting pretty easy for me in most cases. Turns out I voted with the majority for all but one. My only regret was that Brian was matched up against Yul. For as odious as Brian is as a person, he really did play a dominant game. But, for the record, I did end up voting for Yul in that match-up because he managed to play a fairly dominant endgame while also coming from an underdog position AND remaining likable – you can’t beat that.

    • Max_Jets

      I voted for Yul based on likability without thinking about it. I think I disagree with my vote, but it’s hard for me to vote the other way in that match up.

    • purplerockandy

      I’d vote for Heidik against a lot of people. Yul is not one of those people.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        Absolutely not. Heidik does not deserve to beat Yul. Also, as I may have mentioned before, I think Heidik is overrated, but I get that’s an unpopular opinion among many.

  • Maritimer

    Is it possible we will have a unanimous victory here? There is absolutely no defensible position you can take to vote Bob over Hatch so I hope so

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      There will probably be one troll, but yup. Indefensible.

    • corndogshuffle

      I’m going to be *extremely* disappointed if Bob even gets one vote. Every vote he gets is two more than he deserves.

      • Purplerockmatt

        time to burn it down

        • corndogshuffle

          I am disappoint.

    • Purplerockmatt

      that is why i had to write it as i did

  • Other Scott

    I still haven’t voted in Brian vs Yul someone please help.

    • Max_Jets

      Yul probably shouldn’t win in a landslide, make it closer.

      • Other Scott

        Okay! I was leaning towards Brian anyways.
        EDIT: Wow, that is way too much of a landslide. Brian was fantastic.

        • corndogshuffle

          I voted for Yul but I’m shocked the vote is split 88-12 right now. I thought it would be within something like 55-45.

          • purplerockandy

            No jury in the world would vote for Heidik over Yul. So we don’t need to either.

          • corndogshuffle

            No, I didn’t expect him to win either. I was just surprised because I’ve seen enough people who argue that Brian’s a top winner that I thought he would get more than 15% of the vote. Thought this match would be the Sandra vs. Jeremy of the classic division.

          • Roswulf

            I think the difference is that Sandra and Jeremy played such different games that they are relatively hard to compare. Yul and Brians games are much more similar- both were the clear leaders of allliances they took to the end. So there isn’t a philosophical argument, just an appraisal of their execution of a lead-from-the-front game (obviously Yul had his underdog moments, but he was always the leader of his faction).

            And then you have the fact that Yul is perfect and Brian is garbage.

          • Other Scott

            What makes it tough is that they both had major advantages that it’s tough to determine what would have happen if they didn’t have. Does Yul win without the Tyler Perry idol? Does Brian win without the Chuay Gahn majority at the merge?

          • Other Scott

            I’m pretty sure that’s not the qualifier though. To be a great player you don’t need to beat everyone in jury you just need to ensure you get to the end with people you can beat.

            As a massive fan of Rob and his dominating RI win you of all people should know that, Andy!

          • purplerockandy

            I’m just saying that right now, WE’RE the jury picking between Heidik and Yul.

  • EmAndScoutInBK

    WHO THE HELL VOTED FOR BOB?!

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      MY JOB IS TO DEFEND, AND I CANNOT DO IT.

    • Roswulf

      Eh, Hatch won by one vote over a bland mediocrity playing against a bunch of people so clueless about Survivor that they didn’t grasp what an “Alliance” was. And Hatch never had to cope with a significant gameplay twist- nothing stood in the way of a simple Pagonging. A narrow win from a spiteful and clueless jury does not a Bob-slayer make.

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        Are you… Are you trying to make my heart explode?

        • Roswulf

          I just wanted to call Richard Hatch a Bob-Slayer. I make my own fun.

          And just to be clear, I obviously voted for Richard Hatch. I actually only voted in about five of the polls, I’ve only seen roughly half the seasons. But Richard over Bob was a call I was very comfortable making without watching Gabon.

    • Purplerockmatt

      this is the greatest injustice in the history of America. you as a defense lawyer must agree!

      • EmAndScoutInBK

        You, as a lawyer, know what came to mind when you said that.

        IT’S PRETTY BAD THOUGH

  • Black Dynamite

    Just voted!! My picks for this side of the bracket were Richard, Tom, Earl, Danni, Aras, Parvati, Todd, and Yul. I found these choices way easier than the other side but next round may have some really tough matchups for me.

    • EmAndScoutInBK

      We disagreed on the Earl and Aras votes. I’m not surprised though – I figured my votes would probably be on the losing side there

      • Black Dynamite

        I did spend a few beats thinking about the Aras/Jenna matchup. I barely went with Aras on that one but I was actually way more impressed with him as a player in Blood vs Water.

  • sharculese

    I just scrolled down to the part where I got to vote for Todd.

    • Black Dynamite

      Based off on your recommendation to revisit all the little moves that Todd made, I recently watched bits of China and I appreciate even more how Todd plays.

      • sharculese

        Yeah, Im with people on Amanda not getting enough credit for her strategic play, it has to be acknowledged that she could do those things in her first two games is that she hooked up early with A-class social players who hand-wrapped alliances for her to work with.

        I agree she doesnt get enough credit for Micronesia, but also maybe too much credit for China.

        • When I watched China, knowing Todd had already won, I noticed a few strategic mistakes he made along the way. But his final tribal was indeed well done.

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            It’s a damn shame, it really shouldn’t go a shade past medium rare.

          • Dammit, just take my fucking upvote and get out.

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            Hey John, this is probably the first team change of many, but is Malcolm, Michaela, Sierra, Tai still available?

          • Yes, but please put future changes in the Pick-4 post. I’ll bump it closer to the top to make it more accessible.

            SpicyMayoJaySimpson- Malcolm, Michaela, Sierra, Tai

            Also, I’d just like to point out that you managed to get the very first entry in the league…only to change that entry 4 days later, weeks before a single episode aired.

          • SpicyMayoJaySimpson

            Absolutely, I’ll do that.

            And as much as I would like to say that these rapid shifts are part of my Vlachos-esque strategy, my methodology relies on a constant update of information, not all of which would come from Survivor-produced media. I’ll try not to change my team daily.

          • It’s fine. You wouldn’t be the first. I’ve had people make 4+ changes before the season started. Ideally, I’d like to automate this process. I just haven’t found an ideal solution for doing that yet.

          • sharculese

            Agreed that Todd is less than pefect strategically, but where he really shines is the small social stuff. Theres so much work he puts into making everyone feel like theyre part of their coalition.

  • Side Character

    I picked Chris over Tom. This makes me a terrible person, I know. Let’s look at why I suck.

    Tom was dominant all through Palau, no one can dispute that. Everyone liked him that season and no one ever voted against him (mostly because they couldn’t), with Coby at FTC being the only exception (if that counts). I have no qualms if he wins this match-up–it’s Tom freaking Westman, he’s awesome.

    With Chris, I kinda have a soft spot for him because Vanuatu was the first season I saw on TV right from the beginning to the end (All-Stars was actually the first season I ever watched, and somehow I got hooked on this show because of it, but that’s another story). Also, I was rooting for Chris kinda from the get-go (I mean, there was no reason he should have gotten past the first tribal after that disaster of a first challenge). Aside from that first vote, no one voted against him for the rest of the game. He won immunity challenges at the right time. He did everything right at FTC, saying everything that he needed to say to the right people (Julie and Eliza had every reason to not vote for Chris–he basically voted them out for revenge and was a total ass about it).

    Of course, my point of view is a little biased. I didn’t actually watch all of Palau when it first aired (I was traveling with my family at the time), with the exception of the finale–it sucks that this season had to air while I was away, it would’ve been amazing to watch in real-time. I was a little younger when these seasons aired, so re-watching them may make me rethink my decision. If it was personality-based, Tom would win every time. But for me, Chris’ win was satisfying as an underdog story, while Tom’s was almost mandatory.

    • purplerockandy

      Palau might be the season that suffers the most from not watching it in sequence, unspoiled. Because what may feel like a foregone conclusion now was a complete breathe of fresh air then. People of Tom’s calibre simply did not win back then. It was generally the consensus opinion that they COULD not win.

      Also, no one believed one tribe could lose every time. The show had always swapped imbalanced tribes up to prevent it.

    • Roswulf

      I think overlooks how bonkers the Palau endgame got.

      Tom drives his only real competition (in both challenge and jury senses) to a complete emotional breakdown, to the point that Ian concedes the game on the condition that Tom agree to be his friend. That’s not a Mike Holloway-style “I won because no one can vote against me” challenge dominance win; that’s complete control of a game of Survivor.

      • indescribable hat

        Palau was the first season I watched, and realizing that Tom was doing this on purpose and holy shit it was working was the moment I went from enjoying Palau to being a slightly unhinged Survivor fan forever.

  • Jim

    Parvati is overrated. Doubt, but hope Tina wins that. Chris is a better winner than Tom, will always choose the come from behind over the top person all the way through. Jenna and Aras are pretty close, but I give her the slight edge. Otherwise, think I went with the majority.

  • forever1267

    I voted for Vecepia only because Marquesas is one of my favorite seasons. But it’s been so long I really don’t remember why.