Australian Survivor, week 3. Yes, I know the rest of the world doesn’t celebrate American Labor Day. Yes, I forgot. No, I’m not sorry.

What’s up y’all. I’m aware this was supposed to go up yesterday. I forgot about it because of the long weekend. Sue me. You’ll get nothing because I do this for free on a website that breaks even at the most.

(Editor’s note: How dare you suggest such a thing! This website is a money pit.)

I cuddled with this dog instead of doing my fake, unpaid job. I have no regrets.

“Episode 6”

So that was… good. I’m not gonna redact my criticism of last week because I still think the bait and switch sucked a lot of the energy out of the episodes, but this was a decent payoff from that tension. Not amazing, but solidly decent.

This week is about transitions and our pseudo-swap. At Saanapu, Nick is loving his second chance in the game. It’s not clear whether it’s going to amount to anything, but he’s eminently fun in his enthusiasm. I’m still not sure that bringing Tegan with him, rather than leaving her at Vavau to hunt for the idol, was the right choice, but he had a limited number of guesses as to who was on his side, so I can’t fault him too much for going with the sure thing. For her part, Tegan plays things super smart, distancing herself from Nick without being too obvious about it.

Vavau’s shift is a little rockier. Everyone welcomes Handsome Sam, because who wouldn’t, but Conner with the ‘e’ has a harder time fitting in. There’s no obvious benefit to having him on the team, especially when he could have brought puzzle master Matt with him (seriously, Connor, why didn’t you bring Matt with you?)

At Aganoa we get some sort of storyline about… Kristie vs. Phoebe? I’m assuming this is going somewhere, but Kristie has been such a non-entity I’m wondering how. Phoebe, on the other hand, has been an absolute powerhouse, and I hope we get much much more out of her.

No reward challenge this episode; just immunity. Aganoa struggles on the jailbreak portion (One thing I’ve noticed is that both Kat and Matt are shown doing jailbreak in the opening) but Barry is even worse in the fire-making portion, allowing the red team to come back.

And here’s where it gets fun. The editors do a really good job of balancing the easy choice (Barry), the obvious choice (Conner), and the upsetting choice (Craig.) Andrew is targeting Craig now, which is the smart thing to do, but also, noooooo, as much Craig as possible. He is a treasure. At tribal council I totally thought this was the kind of episode where a previous leader knew he was being clipped and was speaking with dark resignation. When Craig didn’t go home I breathed a sigh of relief. This wasn’t the most exciting episode, but it was fun and well paced. Better than the last two.

Discussion points:

  • Happy Labor Day. Death to the bourgeoisie. Smash the capitalist oppressors. (Editor’s note: The opinions expressed by Sharculese do not represent the views of the MBA-holding editor. The editor instead suggests that you buy the bourgeoisie a nice gift, or at least your continued underpaid labor.)

 

 

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Sharculese

Sharculese first saw Survivor when his roommate wanted to watch Cagayan. He has now seen every season because he has a skewed sense of priorities.
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  • sharculese

    That is Navia, btw, and she is completely alive even though she looks like she is not. She is a sleepy baby who likes sunshine

  • imredjimmy

    I’m slowly but surely getting more interested in this show. While the amount of episodes require a lot of free time (although I have nothing better to do really) and investement, I feel like it’s starting to pay off. I like most of the cast or at least find them interesting in a way and really feel like many of them are contenders to go very far. I wasn’t the biggest fan of the switch up between the two tribes, especially since nobody went home but it has brought great new dynamics in both tribes. I’ve already seen episode 7 and enjoyed it quite a bit.

    Oh and Sam isn’t the most compelling player but damn is he fine.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Ditto Brooke.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Sam’s tattoo really bothers me but he’s good looking. This is a quite attractive cast really.

      • HBO CEO of Tits

        Its cuz they only cast like 3 old people out of 24.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Fair.

        • prettyboyprobst

          I think that’s the biggest problem with the cast: half the cast is 29 or younger, median age is 29,5.

      • prettyboyprobst

        I heard his last name is Webb. Does that make his tat a tad better?

        • Kemper Boyd

          Almost worse.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I figured that would be the case.

    • tocantins

      I feel that Survivor really works better with more time to get to know the players. I’m getting invested in this show in a way that I haven’t been invested in CBS Survivor in the latter seasons. I guess lately on Survivor you only have time to watch people discussing strategy, and that makes them seem more like game theory robots than real relatable people.

  • Max_Jets

    Conner bringing Matt with him would be a bad move, because Matt would probably throw Conner under the bus real quick. I kind of wish it had happened though, because I want Conner gone. It’s like if we had to watch Jennifer from Kaoh Rong or Garrett from Cagayan return right after getting voted out.

    • sharculese

      Garrett and Jenny were both solidly safe when they blew up their own games. Conner was actually a target.

      • Max_Jets

        My understanding was that Matt switched at the last minute because of his meltdown, so he was a target for the minority but still safe.

        • sharculese

          Yeah, but Matt flipped back to him in the revote, which means he only partially sunk himself.

          • Max_Jets

            True. I quickly began cheering for Conner to be voted out the same way I did Jenny during her meltdown, but he likely would have survived.

  • turgid_legume

    There’s no way you can keep around a player like Barry who is so passively disinterested in playing the game. Passive disinterest isn’t even accurate, it’s more like active sabotage — if you’re really picking names at random then that means you’re a potential danger to every player, even the ones you’re closest to. But even if he wasn’t picking entirely randomly, not participating in the strategy of an alliance still makes you a liability as every number is crucial; if you’re not a +1 for someone then you’re effectively a -1, there’s no zero. I don’t know how you go through the gauntlet of a grueling casting process and decide to put your life on hold for six plus weeks only to refuse to play. The editors did an okay job obfuscating the boot, but when he got an early confessional and then flubbed the challenge, it was not looking very good. Overall, it was a solid, competent, median episode of Survivor, which is really all I ask.

    • Come On In Here

      Barry’s interview after being voted out was funny to me because he stated that he was voted out due to his poor performance in the challenge. But he was voted out because his voting strategy was useless to everyone (including Barry)

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Barry’s the first person voted out who really got short-changed by the edit. They talk about him being hard to vote for because he’s the soul of Vavau (and someone from another tribe says virtually the same thing at the Episode 7 reward challenge, when the other tribes first see the Bazless Vavau). And yet he was Invisi-Barry. I get it–he’s a pre-merge boot who had no impact on the game. But given how long these episodes are, you’d think they could find a few minutes to show him juggling coconuts, or amazing them with his deep knowledge of Home and Away trivia, or singing Little River Band songs, or whatever he did to win their hearts.

        • Kemper Boyd

          What could the edit have done for him? He wasn’t wrong to strategise and was on a winning tribe.

          • sharculese

            It could have made him not invisible.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Yeah but there are 20 thousand contestants and one who isn’t engaging in the game and goes early can’t be easily served by the edit.

  • Other Scott

    Canada has Labour Day as well!

    Except we spell it differently, so it’s almost like we’re celebrating something different.

    • sharculese

      Is that also the cutoff for wearing white, or are you all bundled into parkas at this point, anyway?

      • Other Scott

        It’s the cutoff for wearing white parkas. We switch to brown at this point in the year.

      • Hornacek

        By this point of the year, we’ve moved from our summer igloos to our winter igloos.

  • sharculese

    FYI: Between an ACT on Saturday and a month into the school year meaning I have a ton of seniors who need the fundamental theorem of calculus explained to them, updates will be sporadic this week. I’ve seen episode 7, but I need to review it.

    • Black Dynamite

      I would also need that explained to me and I’ve been out of high school for nearly a decade.

      • sharculese

        The derivative of a function is equal to the limit as h approaches 0 of the difference of f(x+h) and f(x) over h.

        • sharculese

          H is a theoretical value representing a distance away from x. Assuming that f(x) is continuous over the interval [x,h], f(x+h) minus f(x) over h is an approximation of the instantaneous slope of f(x) at x. Rise over run and all that.

          As we calculate this for increasingly small values of h we get closer to the actual value of the slope at f(x), and when h reaches 0 we get the true expression of the slope of the tangent line.

    • Hornacek

      Please explain to us how FOIL works in math, and how a bill becomes a law.

      • sharculese

        First outer, inner last. Except nobody does FOIL anymore because it’s been replaced by the box method. (that’s not completely true, but the box method is easier.)

        And bills don’t become laws. They languish in committee because one of our political parties is ideologically opposed to having a black president. Unless you’re talking about Canadian law, which I don’t even know man, went to law school in a presidential democracy, not a parliamentary democracy. Do we have an expert on Canada law here?

        • Hornacek

          In my day we didn’t have the box method. If we wanted to multiply two parentheses containing the sum or difference of a number and a variable, we had to do it using directions related to the position of the value inside the parenthesis. And if you were dyslexic you never learned how to do this multiplication and you ended up broke living on the street! That’s the way it was and we liked it! We loved it.

          As for bills becoming laws, apparently Schoolhouse Rock lied to me. I’m betting there’s nothing magical about the number three at all!

          • sharculese

            Schoolhouse Rock was made before black president.

          • Hornacek

            But the country is still the great American melting pot, right?

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I lived in a parliamentary democracy for 16 years. The party in power (or more often, the coalition) by definition controls both the legislative and executive branches. As long as they can keep their shit together (harder than you might think), they pass whatever laws they want and the out-party can suck it. And if you think that sounds an awful lot like Survivor post-merge, you’re absolutely correct.

          • sharculese

            So do you get laws passed or is your PM unacceptable to racists?

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Pretty sure they’re all racists, so it cancels out.

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    After the Episode 5 twistathon, I for one am glad Episode 6 was kind of a back-to-basics affair (Episode 7 has ever so slightly more intrigue, but it’s still very much within the bounds of your standard pre-merge episode).

    Trigger warning: Episode 7 will make you think of World’s Apart (but thankfully, the very best moment of that season).

    • Hornacek

      An overweight guy falls and slides down a ramp?

  • HBO CEO of Tits

    Episode 8 has a merge with no boot. What the fuck.

    • Come On In Here

      I’m confused. This isn’t “The Merge” but it’s also not really a tribe swap, but it totally is a tribe swap and dissolving. So, it’s kind of a merge, but not THE Merge, but ahhhggg…

      • Come On In Here

        Also, they don’t believe in voting people off on this show. I’m convinced this show will take all winter and spring…

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          No, the game can only last 55 days. Six eliminations by Day 20 prorates out to 16 eliminations by day 54, so it’s going to be a Final 8.

          • Kemper Boyd

            So many double eliminations to come.

          • Other Scott

            Don’t they have 26 episodes or something crazy like that? I don’t think they need any double boots at all.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I didn’t know that, but there are still 18 people in the game with 24 days left. I sure hope there aren’t a bunch of quits once they get beyond 39 days.

          • Other Scott

            There’s more than 24 days left. Episode 7 ended on Day 18, so I think a fair assumption is that episode 8 took place over Day 19 and 20. That leaves 35 days with 18 people, which is pretty much in line with what we see in current US Survivor.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Subtraction fail. No wonder I don’t understand the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus. I’m still worried about quits (and 85-minute episodes) on days 40-55.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Even then it’s more than one every 3 days for sure.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Really bothered by the use of merge here. What will what we call the merge be called?

        • HBO CEO of Tits

          This was a merge. That will be THE merge.

    • Kemper Boyd

      WHY WON’T THIS SHOW BOOT ANYONE?

    • sharculese

      Holy shit. I swear I never saw you the AVC Survivor comments. How did you know about this place?

      • HBO CEO of Tits

        I was there off and on throughout the years. I, like many people, get into and out of survivor interest periodically. Was on there a lot for phillipines and caramoan, but checked out after. I even listened to the first couple of podcasts the old prp did a couple years ago, but had not made the lifestyle change into a “person that listens to podcasts.”

        This summer I got the itch to watch some survivor again scrolling through amazon, and had long since been searching for more podcasts to fill up my days, and remembered about that pod I found from avc dudes a couple years back. Cambodia also is probably my favorite season ever, with a bunch of those others I caught up on being pretty good too, so here I am, pumped as hell to hear people talk about how the old are out of touch and past their prime and that the young did’t have to work for anything and don’t know shit.

        Oh, and also to watch/read about australian survivor’s weird tweaks to the game.

        • sharculese

          As my bio says, I started with Cagayan, so I guess I came in a little after you left. Welcome back.

          I’m working on an update for tomorrow that yadda yaddas Episode 7 so we can talk about whatever the hell it was that happened in episode 8.

  • Kemper Boyd

    I am enjoying this now. I desperately need more people to actually be eliminated though.
    Conner is not good and looks constantly like he’s about to cry. I don’t like Rohan. Sorry it’s 2am and I’m only awake because I’m about to do my fantasy football draft.

    • Black Dynamite

      Good luck on the draft. I’m already disappointed in the running backs I ended up with.

      • sharculese

        Are we just deliberately tweaking her on that, now? Because I support it.

        • Kemper Boyd

          LEAVE ME ALONE

      • Kemper Boyd

        I went rb rb in round 1 and 2. D Johnson and CJ Anderson.

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      I drafted a much-hyped rookie WR named Sterling Shepard and immediately after the draft I renamed my team Sterling Shepard Draper Pryce. My season is all downhill from here.

      • Kemper Boyd

        Quality name. My team name is Tonnes of Funchess but I don’t have Devin Fun chess so need a new name.

  • Max_Jets

    Even without the eliminations, episode 8 made me realize how invested I am in the show. A few episodes ago I was mostly just rooting for Phoebe, but now I am pulling for Brooke and Matt and am all in on the Craig/Sue/Jennah-Louise alliance. I’m really hoping Jennah can take out Nick for good soon.

    • Kemper Boyd

      I’m done with Nick. I really don’t like him. I’m in on El and Phoebe as an alliance.

      • prettyboyprobst

        Ugh, El can take her active listening somewhere else, but off my screen. Do you think she’ll be fine on new sanaapu? Because at least for now, that alliance is separated.

        Fwiw, I can’t decide wether I love or hate Phoebe (and wether I find her to be attractive or not) – I certainly like to have her as a player on this season…

        Same for Nick, he was such a prick in that scene at the beach with JL – love the drama he brings, though.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I think El’s game is right for this too long game. Phoebe could have gone too hard too soon but El is likeable, going along with others and generally doing no wrong whilst being a strong female challenge competitor.

          • prettyboyprobst

            I don’t think she has any game but I can see what you mean. As long as she continues to endear herself to the right people she should be fine and could go a long way, maybe even win if she’s in the end with someone people actively dislike. I just hope she doesn’t because I need someone that I want to see eliminated from episode to episode, and I can find at least something interesting about every cast member but her. Even Kylie is so over the top good natured that I can appreciate her as symbol of annoying kindness, and she’s five years older and probably even better in challenges.
            Phoebe I thought was playing too hard whe she pressured Rohan before that fake-out tribal council, but it seemed that she has recovered just fine from that. Other than that, she made some minor mistakes but played just aggressive enough overall, as I saw it.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Phoebe is playing hard, we need to see how it goes for her with these swapped tribes, that’s where I think the worry is. I agree El is playing very little right now but episode 7/8 there are still 30+ days to go, that’s like day 3 in US Survivor. In a game this long patience could well be a virtue, that’s not to say I won’t be proved wrong and we’ll get to day 37 and she will continue in this static listening role, it could happen. I just feel like coasting early is a pretty good option if you can take it. Also Kylie isn’t quite as good as El in challenges but neither are Kate current female leader and all round non strategic nice person.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Disagree on the Kylie-El comparison, but Kate is indeed an impressive challenge beast. Although Kate keeps this non strategic facade, she’s shown a lot more initiative and ability to take her game into her own hands, while I doubt that El is capable to do any of that. Kate just doesn’t call it alliances or strategy.

            You’re absolutely right that her nature seems perfect to stay on the show for a long time, but that only contributes further to my mostly irrational and somewhat conceited hate for her. I’m still mad at her for that stupid reaction after learning about the idol clue in ep2, and while I’m sympathetic to it, all that sulking after the burger RC was not a good look at all.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Look I can’t argue with an irrational dislike! But I am finding Kylie really frustrating, she seems too content but we did get a tease in episode 9/10 that El and Kylie might both be doing more in future.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Kylie has been really frustrating, but since the swerge she’s in such a comfortable position that I can’t see her aiming to overthrow the Saanapu power structure now. I saw her comment to JL as more of a general pep talk, a Kylie specialty (of course I’m hoping against all odds that she was actually talking about pushing El to the bottom of the tribe in her stead).

            Combined with the comments by Lee and El I’m a little bit worried about the mighty trio, though. Still, it would be crazy for at least 2 of Kylie, Sam and Nick to leave that safe haven, and it seemed like El and Lee were trying to get into the main alliance more than to create a counter bloc (Lee did good, but naturally I wasn’t too impressed with El’s efforts and hope what we saw was the extent of it).

          • Kemper Boyd

            I wonder if she’ll coast for a bit and eventually realise she has to flip as she’s bottom of the Saanapu structure. The only way I see that happening is if somehow after the real merge it’s Matt, Brooke, Flick, Nick, Sam and a combo of Kylie, 3 Vavau and 3 Aganua. I doubt it, I don’t think Kylie is there to play hard.

    • tocantins

      Yes, CBS could really learn from this that casting a whole bunch of awesome people is not bad at all. Even the villains are quite entertaining. I can’t think of anyone remaining that I would be really bummed if they won.

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    Just finished Episode 8. I absolutely LOVE this way of consolidating three tribes into two (it’s not a merge though, is it?). So much more interesting than a rock/paintball draw.

    Nick and Jenna Lewis should just make out already.

    • Other Scott

      It’s sort of a merge. It’s like when you have 3 lines go down to 2, traffic has to merge to meet it.

      • prettyboyprobst

        Is it 3 lines becoming two, or is it two of three lines merging to one, so there are two lines left? I know American roads only from movies, butI assume it’s the latter.

    • tocantins

      Yes, I think that a huge “technological” advance of this Australian Survivor over CBS is how they did the swap and swap/merge. (Although many here apparently didn’t like the swap idea; I loved it.) It takes away a huge part of the randomness of the game.

      A big beef I always had with Survivor is how swaps are handled. You can be playing a good game, and get totally screwed by a random rock draw. This way, you can still get screwed by a swap/merge, but at least *some* of it is your fault. (At the very least, you could have won that damn challenge.) In the previous swap, you get the added benefit that the people on bottom were voted out, so you don’t feel bad for them. OK, Conner and Nick were in a really bad spot (even though both miraculously made it; I’m pretty sure neither would last another vote though), but the fact that they were on their second chance makes us not feel bad about it.

      • Other Scott

        I mean Tegan was kind of screwed over by Nick, but you can argue that was partially her own doing as well.

      • Max_Jets

        The 3 tribes into 2 is okay, but I actually hate these twists for the way it screws people over. Usually there is a contestant every season in US Survivor that gets hurt by the swap in some way, and it’s unfortunate but it happened randomly and a better player can usually get out of it. Here, it is not random, and it feels like they are rewarding bad players and hurting good players. Jennah-Louise hasn’t really done anything wrong in this game, but she is in a terrible position because Nick came back to life and is fucking over the people who voted him out. The Conner/Nick twist is designed to punish good players, while in random swaps it can go either way.

        • tocantins

          You are right; the first twist mixes two different kinds of twists into one. The first part is the player-voted swap; the second is keeping the person voted out in the game. I agree with you that Jennah was really screwed, but she was screwed by the second part. In this sense, it was really reminiscent of the Pearl Islands twist. The way I felt about that twist (and the way I feel about this one) is that it is indeed unfair in a sense, but it does make for some fun and exciting moments and story lines. (That is one of the reasons why Pearl Islands is by far my favorite season.)

          But note that, unlike a rock draw, Jennah *did* do something that lead to her bad situation; she was clearly in control of Vavau and she blindsided Nick. It is unfair because she did so under the expectation that Nick wouldn’t be able to pay her back for it. (Which many admittedly believe is a core element of Survivor, and that is why they hate comeback twists; I don’t.)

          • Max_Jets

            That makes sense. What I love about the way it plays out in Pearl Islands is that they never make you feel like Savage was screwed over (even though he probably would have been anyway) because he digs his own grave by complaining TO LILL about her being back in the game. Baffling. What a season.

  • Other Scott

    Nick is by far my favourite cast-away. I just like the arch-type of fairly loyal guy who everyone just assumes is this complete snake. Also, that scene between Nick and Jenna-Louise at the end was amazing.

    Phoebe is probably my least favourite at this point. Andrew is also too slimy for his own good.

    The three to two method was a lot of fun. I love the idea of the revenge sacrificial lamb pick.

    • prettyboyprobst

      Well, I did like Nick a whole lot for his enthusiasm and Cesterninoesk looks and showmanship, but he wasn’t just lying about the idol clue, he also was saying to Craig he’s fine with Teagan as the target and then proceeded to work on people not from his alliance to vote out Barry. I guess you could say fairly loyal in regards to Teagan (where did that connection come from? When they got the clue together it didn’t seem like they were on a particularly friendly basis), or that voting him out was a harsh reaction to his machinations, but I don’t think that Nick had any leg to stand on in this admittedly amazing beach scene with JL, or that he can blame old Vavau for making that decision.
      I was kind of pulling for him before that (maybe not to win, but to go very far), but now I’m conflicted. I’d love to see him have a glorious meltdown and subsequent exit sooner rather than later, but I also know that for his entertainment value alone it would be a shame to have him go so soon.

      My least favourite is El by far, but that is also because I realized a few episodes ago that I need someone to pull against. She was boring and a complete puppet in Phoebe’s hand, so I made a conscious decision to not like her.

      Now with JL needing to survive a vote to not get Nick the satisfaction of crossing a name of his revenge-list, I really hope that his blue tribe realizes El and Lee are exactly the tight pair they seeked to break up when they picked Jenna-Louise and boot her gaunt ass instead.

      My favourite so far, slightly ahead of a few others, is Matt the
      mentalist, and episode 8 has me really worried about him. I better make a
      new post about that or this will go too long.

    • sharculese

      You would hate how many of my notes from ep 9 are just about how much I love Phoebe.

      • Other Scott

        Let me watch Episode 9 first, but I doubt it will change my mind.

        • sharculese

          Get through episode 10 and tell me you’re not on board.

          • prettyboyprobst

            She’s such a star in ep10, that it took me a lot of self restraint to not ask you immediately after watching if you’ve watched it already and what your notes say.

            I was halfway on board before, but 9&10 certainly strengthened my faith.

          • Other Scott

            Sorry Shark, still not on board the Phoebe train.

  • tocantins

    I hope I don’t jinx it, but I’m liking this Australian Survivor more than any recent CBS Survivor season. I feel the extra time really lets us get to know the characters more and relate to them (although I *am* scared about that moving forward), and they are all interesting and genuine. There is no one there that I would hate watching them win. (And maybe that is related to this show being more low-key about strategy than modern Survivor.) It just feels like a old school Survivor for me for some reason.

    I also liked both twists. They make swaps feel more integrated into the game, and the results more driven by the players (by choosing who gets swapped) then just letting perhaps the most critical decision of the game be made by random rock draw.

    Besides (and this scares me a little), I feel that perhaps Survivor is more fun when you don’t over-analyze it, especially thinking about edit and such. (Which is an advantage of the show being new; we just don’t know what to expect of the edit.)

    • prettyboyprobst

      I wouldn’t say that I enjoy it more than any of the recent US-seasons, but I do enjoy it a lot and share your general feelings in regards to the cast and format. A little more diversity (age&racial) in the cast would have been nice, but almost all of them seem genuine an likable.
      I don’t mind deep dives into the strategy aspects of an episode at all, but with so much show-content to get through every week, that’s hard to do and that is fine too. It’s almost like a binge-watch of an old season (even though I’m watching since week one). I guess so many players being hesitant to admit to strategic thinking adds to that flair.

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    Hey @sharculese:disqus, by no means do I mean to sound ungrateful, but what’s up with episodes 7-8? You’re about to be lapped by week 4. Are you watching Atlanta on loop or something?

    • prettyboyprobst

      I think he mentioned needing to teach calculus to some millenial brats, but yeah, what about us?

      I’m about to watch ep9 now and I’m sweaty palmed of excitement (although room temperature most definitely plays a part, but still, I’m excited to watch the start of the two tribes, 18 people phase of the game).

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Ugh. Millennials are the worst, right?

        • prettyboyprobst

          Well, technically I’m born after 1980…

          But yeah. Like, totally.

      • sharculese

        Kids in high school now are too young to be millennials.

    • Other Scott

      Maybe we should send out a search party? He hasn’t been around since he posted.

    • sharculese

      Last week was baaaaad for me. Don’t wanna go into it. I just posted for ep 9, and I’m back on schedule.

  • prettyboyprobst

    Like I mentioned below, I really enjoyed Australian Survivor so far and it’s great to have it covered (well, sort of) and discussed on my favourite site for Survivor content. Before I dive into what I assume has to be a great 9th episode, here’s something I just couldn’t let go from this last week:

    My favourite so far, slightly ahead of a few others, is Matt the
    mentalist, and episode 8 has me really worried about him. I didn’t mind Flick
    and Brooke so far, but what is their problem?
    “We’re worried that we just let Matt push his agenda for the first three votes, enough of that!” – WTF?
    On the first vote Bianca wanted to break up Flick and Brooke, to no avail,
    the second vote was between Flick and Conner (after Flick and Brooke
    were under the wrong impression they could just tell the boys what to
    do, no questions asked) and I assume they are under the wrong impression
    that Matt stood with them through both rounds at that tribal. In ep 7
    Matt convinced them that it would be foolish to get rid of the unmasked
    snake that has nowhere else to go but adds a whole lot of
    challenge-strength to the team, which only netted them the most
    important reward and kept them all together through a tribe
    swap/dissolve/merge and in a power position. So again, what is their damn
    problem?
    Add to that his confessionals that could be received as cocky in that tuesday episode and I’m deeply worried about his prospects. Now I have to pull for one of them getting swap-fucked or ousted one way or another, because as long as both of them remain in the game, I’ll be dreading them taking control over Matty or him just running into a knife.

    • Kemper Boyd

      Dude wanna talk to me about the clusterfuck of a vote in episode 9?

      Also I don’t think Matt is going to do all that well, he seems pretty satisfied with himself and that is often a bad trait in Survivor.

      • HBO CEO of Tits

        SPOILIES FOR EP 9

        Is Rohan unbelievably stupid or something? And why did the Vavau originals leave their ass open there? If Kat or El don’t flip its bye bye Vavau.

        • Kemper Boyd

          I kind of liked Kat getting to Kristy (Christie? Christy? Kristie?) to vote with her. But yes Rohan is really very very stupid. He told two people who he should never have begun trusting about his idol, then he was convinced to give it up to the only person who using it would have got him voted out! He’s dumb and Phoebe is good enough to get him to give it up to her. (PHRASING).

          • HBO CEO of Tits

            If I’m ever on survivor I convince someone who is super comfortably in the majority to allow us to just be generally a dick to them at challenges so they can be considered a probable flipper to tell the other side to split votes cause of an idol and take the numbers from there.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Honestly, this is a decent plan. If you have a really trusted alliance have them treat you like shit whenever the other teams are around. Then both sides will expect you to act like you are flipping so your own alliance wouldn’t be pissed if you talk to the other side.
            I fear this is one of those ideas that is better in theory than reality because eventually you’ll get so paranoid you’ll believe it’s really happening!

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            This is kind of a variation on Russell stoking the heroes’ mistaken belief in a girl’s alliance on the villains tribe.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Yep. But with more acting from everyone not just one person.

          • HBO CEO of Tits

            Yes, but more proactive than reactive.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Paranoia notwithstanding, I like this strategy much better for the person that get’s dicked around over the people in its alliance, who would come across as evil meanies and have a hard time not getting voted out in case of a swap or earning jury votes later on.
            Still an interesting concept, though, and I thought that old Vavau was acknowledging the possibility of that happening to them when they decided against a 3-3-3 split. I mean, why in the world wouldn’t they expect Kat to be with them after all the things she said, unless it was ALL an act.

          • Kemper Boyd

            It wasn’t shown but I wouldn’t be surprised if Kat and Christy voting for Rohan was part of a tenuous 4-2 split. Had Rohan not been a moron it would have been a revote, thus a successful idol flush.

          • prettyboyprobst

            So you think Vavau was cold enough to instruct Kat to vote Rohan for a split and to then proceed to vote her out? Honestly, that’s what I think was their back-up in case Phoebe has the idol, but her vote spoiled that plan.

          • Kemper Boyd

            I think they could have used her the first vote to have some security vs an idol and then decide that her bitterness about Rohan makes her a dangerous concept for the future, although Phoebe is on the outs she is stronger in challenges and now only has 2 people to go back to after a merge and Christy is clearly doing a better job of being likeable. Thus voting against her the next vote.

          • prettyboyprobst

            But if they fully trusted her to vote the way she’s told, they could
            have just split the vote 3-3 and be safe, even when Kristie, RohN and
            Phoebe vote together. This way they weren’t.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Fuck, you are totally right. I’m bad as maths.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Whenever there’s a blindside or other unexpected outcome to the vote, I find it useful to go back and watch the post-challenge scramble with the knowledge of who everybody is actually voting for. I’ve watched the post-challenge of episode 9 twice, and I’m going to give it one more shot, and I can’t for the life of me figure out what Rohan was trying to accomplish. He wasn’t trying to get Vavau to split their votes, since he voted Kat, and he wasn’t trying to save his skin at all costs, since he gave the idol to Phoebe. Baffling.

          • Max_Jets

            My thought was that maybe he was trying to get original Vavau to vote for Kat? It’s likely it was just a stupid throwaway vote though.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            I think he believed Phoebe’s reassurance that she had Kat and Kristie’s votes for Sue, so he had the luxury of a throwaway FU vote on Kat. That’s the least-stupid explanation I can come up with, anyway.

          • Kemper Boyd

            Literally every vote except his made perfect sense. Phoebe wants Sue gone to have a stronger tribe because she knows her best shot is not to go to tribal. Vavua think Rohan will play the idol for himself and can’t trust the girls to split with them so all vote Phoebe and Christy and Kat want rid of arrogant douche Rohan. Rohan is at the bottom and wants rid of one of the few people who could vote with him.

          • prettyboyprobst

            The best explanation for Rohan’s vote seems to be a combination of many things mentioned here already, and I agree with your reasoning for the other players’ motivations.
            I think at the point people were voting he was expecting Vavau to pile their votes on Phoebe, but held some hope that it’s all a ruse and Kat is still the (at least secondary) target, which is where he left it with them, iirc. So he voted Kat in order to get with the program, thinking worst case is Sue gets idoled out by at least two of the three Aganoa girls, making his vote a throwaway, but also indicating his willingness to work with old Vavau. That would have left him either voting with the majority or in a dead-locked tribe with options on both sides. He also trusted Phoebe, wanted to keep her and was badly needed for challenges, so I can almost forgive that he neglected to cover his bases here and oversaw the danger that Kat and Kristie presented to his own life in the game. But only almost, because Kat was such a glaring danger and she seemed to hang around Kristie a lot of the time again.

            In hindsight he should have never agreed/proposed to make Sue the real target and vote with Phoebe for Kat, then she’s surely gone on the re-vote.

        • sharculese

          Rohan is unbelievably stupid.

        • Assistant Dragon Slayer

          I remember Fishbach saying after Cambodia (explaining why they didn’t split the vote on Wentworth) that vote splits take a certain amount of mental energy and political capital to pull off, and sometimes you just decide the scenario you’re protecting against is so unlikely that it’s not worth it. They probably thought the odds of Rohan giving his idol to Phoebe were near zero.

      • prettyboyprobst

        He’s pretty confident (albeit no longer in his mind-reading abilities), but I don’t get the vibe that he’s conceited. More like giddy about playing Survivor and being in a pretty good position with three beautiful women as his core alliance and having things work out for him. His confessionals in episode 8 were on the verge of being too much and building anticipation for a crash and burn, but compared with what we got from a certain founding member of the Vavau tribe in the ensuing episodes, I choose to believe that what we got from Matt was just character building and a little bit of doubt for the dominating alliance, while that other stuff was a glowing example of that crash and burn editing trope.
        Furthermore, Hatch and Heidik, the Robs and many other former winner and great players have been more than satisfied with themselves throughout the game, so I can’t accept your premise.

        • Kemper Boyd

          Yes but I didn’t enjoy watching Hatch, Heidik or Boston Rob that much. BRob played two good games, Redemption Island which is the most boring season there is and All Stars that is probably my least favourite season to watch…

          Andy on the other hand is everything you want in a villain, I’m really looking forward to his eventual blindside.

          • prettyboyprobst

            Well, to quote one of my heroes out of context:
            “I was using (them) as a bloody example, you dick!”

            Agreed on Andy, some may take him for a boring gamebot, but I do enjoy his hubris and the ridiculous confessionals, often containing erroneous expressions.

          • Kemper Boyd

            That scene made me so happy.

          • andythesaint

            I know you’re not talking about me there, but… it still works if you were.