Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers Bonus Content Roundup – Week 9

Taako From Teevhii shares the best bonus scenes from the previous episode of Survivor: Hoosiers vs. Hawkeyes vs. Huskers.

This Week In Secret Scenes

“No One Wants To Hear Anything I Have To Say”

Yeah, Joe, maybe that’s because you’re an asshole.

This Week In Confessionals

“I Would Probably Never Come Out To Fiji And Go On, Like, A Yacht, Little Tour Through The Islands, So This Is A Great Experience, A Great Opportunity, So Just Wanna Say Thanks Jeff To That, It’s Uh, Y’know, A Really Fortunate Opportunity To Have That, Cruisin’ Around, And Uh, It’s A, Y’know, Once In A Lifetime Experience, Y’know”

This clip is submitted without comment.

“Ultimately Too, What I’m Playing For Probably More Probably Is My Little Sister”

We’re double-dipping on JP confessionals this week. The previous clip is your quintessential JP confessional, but this one gives some background on our favorite human manifestation of NyQuil. Forget babes on the beach with tri-tip salad, JP would spend his million dollars (if he wins it) helping his sister, who lives with ITP. The loved ones visit is just around the corner, so here’s hoping more of this story gets told then.

“I Believed I Could Do It, And I Did”

Here is your reminder that Chrissy is a mom defying the “Mom on Survivor” archetype and that a whole storyline could be made of Chrissy doing so. And yet, we don’t really have this storyline. What does this mean? Does it mean anything at all?

I feel like Chrissy is a mixture of previous Survivor moms, specifically Dawn, Lisa, Kass, and Carolyn. She went out to Fiji to play (hard), but she’s still surprising herself with what she can accomplish. I can’t say that I’m rooting for her, but I’m certainly not rooting against her.

“Your Idea’s Dumb”

Ben’s not steamrolling anyone (but he totally is). He’s not trying to be a dictator (though he’s succeeding at it). He’s just trying to hang on and stay in the game (never mind that his behavior will get him sent packing).

“I Am A Fantastic Player”

Devon’s here to say that he’s not following your orders because you told him to, he’s doing it because he wants to *thumbs nose*. By the way, Evil Masterminds Monthly called to say that Devon was PROBABLY going to be named “Genius of the Year,” but he’d have to agree to an interview and a major photo shoot. He said “probably” was no good, and he was in Fiji at the time; he passed!

Look, I’ll level with y’all; I’ve said for a while now that if I had to bet on a winner, it’d probably be Devon. Not because he’s about to Keyser Söze this entire crew, but because he’ll end up being the Fabio to this Nicaragua redux. I still maintain that there’s more than this Jason Mendoza facade; does that make him an Andy Dwyer-type? Either way, I’d be happy if Devon worked his way up to Philip J. Fry.

“This Whole Game Is About Adapting”

Oh shit, Devon has a finance degree? Well that’s even more reason for John to love Devon.

This Week In Ponderosa

“It’s Never Felt So Good To Lose”

Desi greets Cole at the doors of Ponderosa with peanut butter and orange soda, the “keys to living a healthy life.” I understand the value of peanut butter, but orange soda? Maybe Cole meant psychological health. Insert your choice of Mr. Peanutbutter joke here.

And considering how much we heard of Cole’s daily 5000-calorie diet and his severe hunger pains, I was expecting a much larger spread for his first meal at Ponderosa. With just chips, a pizza, and a burger, I was kinda disappointed. I was expecting all that plus two bowls of pasta, fried chicken, and half a cake. Winning that reward the previous day spoiled the smorgasbord to come.

After seeing a bit of Desi’s pageant world last week, we got to see Cole in his hiking element this week. We’ll see what happens when Chrissy arrives at Ponderosa.

This Week In Gifable Moments

Whenever the former sheriff of Maricopa County opens his mouth.

When someone’s cheering you on and you misinterpret it as an evaluation of your overall appearance.

When someone tells you that Cambodia is not a Top 10 season.

Taako From Teevhii

Taako From Teevhii

Taako first learned of Survivor when his buddy Merle said he’d vote their friend Ango off the island. After a google search and one episode, he became a fan and never looked back.

Favorite Seasons: China, Heroes vs Villains, Philippines, Cagayan, Cambodia

Favorite Players: Kelley Wentworth, Sandra Diaz-Twine, Kim Spradlin, Denise Stapley, Todd Herzog, Courtney Yates, Yul Kwon
Taako From Teevhii
  • Hornacek

    “No One Wants To Hear Anything I Have To Say”

    Is this from JP’s Twitter account?

    • Taako From Teevhii

      That supposes that JP has something to say.

  • Hornacek

    “Well that’s even more reason for John to love Devon.”

    Is that even possible?

  • The article ends at the Cole gif right? I didn’t miss anything important, did I?

  • By The Numbers

    Interesting conversation at Ponderosa between Desi and Cole. It was a bit hard to follow, but it sounds like Cole believed a vote was missing at the last TC because it was for somebody else and didn’t factor into the tie. That’s the level of thought these players have managed.

    • Figaro

      To be fair, when you’re trying to come up with a plausible explanation for a missing vote you’re probably gonna assume something similar to what Cole assumed here (based on how Survivor’s done things previously). I can’t imagine many people would notice a missing vote and think ‘Hey! Maybe someone got an advantage where they didn’t vote’ because a) it’s never happened before and b) without knowing the full reasoning behind it it there’s no sensible reason why it would be advantageous for a player not to vote.

  • Mike Hirsch

    I’m counting on Probst to forget about JP after all the family members come out, and JP reminds Probst that he (JP) exists, and then Probst is like, “Oh, JP! Oh, we were pretty sure you got booted at the merge vote. Um…we could have one of our crew members pretend to be your loved one?” And JP will say, “My loved one is standing right next to you,” and Probst will turn and the loved one will be there and look at JP and say, “I have no idea who that person is.”

  • sharculese

    spoilers for season 2 of The Good Place:

    At this point, wouldn’t doing things that are really insightful without seeming to mean to make Devon precisely Jason Mendoza?

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      Yeah I briefly tried to match Survivors to Good Place Bad Place residents (is JP Janet because they’re both robots, or not Janet because Janet knows stuff?), but clearly there’s no Chidi.

      • sharculese

        Chase Rice is Chidi, which just furthers the idea that this is Nicaragua with less terrible people.

      • Max_Jets

        Mike is Chidi if Chidi went with every option when he became indecisive instead of none of them.

      • Alycia Swift

        JP is Eleanor’s perfect mate in this season – the one who keeps running off to the gym constantly. Or, the Lava Demon.

    • Max_Jets

      I will not accept these Jason comparisons, Devon is a bright light!

      • sharculese

        Have you seen the first half of season 2? Because… that’s where they seem to be going with Jason.

        • Max_Jets

          Yeah, the way you’re comparing them works (though I do think Devon is more intentional) I just really don’t like Jason. The Good Place to me is 5 great characters and Jason.

          • Purplerockmatt

            so 5 great characters and the greatest character. Got it

          • Purple Rock Emma

            I will not tolerate Chidi slander, even indirect Chidi slander, in my house.

          • Purplerockmatt

            This is my house see! (pulls out deed, says property of Purple Rock Matticus)

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            Hey everybody, @purplerockmatt:disqus is Eddie Murphy’s drunk uncle!

  • Assistant Dragon Slayer

    OK, time to plant a flag: I think the “mom” archetype is a close to a complete myth. Or rather, I think the idea that a older-by-Survivor-standards woman with kids automatically can’t play a cutthroat game without being penalized for it is a myth. Yes, Dawn got mommed big time, but she also heavily leveraged her mom-ness within the game. Same thing, with less intensity, for Monica Culpepper, and less intensity still for Missy and Mama C. Meanwhile, there are plenty of moms that didn’t play up that persona and didn’t get mommed at all: Denise, Sandra, Holly, hell even Debbie.

    Basically, I think being mommed is entirely a consequence of leaning into the mom persona. Kass was resented for being mean and untrustworthy completely independent of her mom status. Tina I’m not sure about because I haven’t seen Australian Outback, but it didn’t prevent her from winning in any case. Cirie managed to both play up her mom-ness and get away with playing a cutthroat game because she’s Cirie Fuckin’ Fields.

    I don’t think anybody is going to resent Chrissy for momness-related reason except possibly Ryan, and even he understands the game enough not to do that.

    • Alycia Swift

      Even though they called her Mama C, Carolyn wasn’t really a “mom” that season on camera. We never saw it (in fact the opposite, when she refused to give up her reward to Rodney).

    • Maritimer

      I agree with this. Its when they step into the “Mom” role that people get extra hurt by the betrayal, not just because they are women with kids and caused them to get ripped apart at final tribal. But its the same thing when people get betrayed by close friends (Lex or Taj for example). Its about how you portray yourself

    • the sky is falling

      Getting ‘mommed’ sounds dirty

    • By The Numbers

      And Dawn wasn’t so much “mommed”, as much as it was “I sacrificed my game to help you because you were unstable, then you burned me”.
      Dawn becoming the victim in Caramoan has always run a bit hollow to me. Sweet Erik Reichenbach turned thought Brenda’s question was justified. If Erik is getting mean spirited, Dawn really must have leaned into it

      • sharculese

        Erik also claims to have been literally delusional for most of the post-merge of Caramoan. Like, the infection in his leg started much earlier than was shown and his grasp of reality was compromised by it.

  • Mira

    There seem to be some kind of problem with Mike playing the idol, so put on your tinfoil hat and continue reading!
    The vote ended 5 Cole, 2 Mike from the majority alliance. Mike and Joe voted for Cole, Cole voted for Ben.
    But, what’s the point for Mike to try win the vote, if he’s drawing dead in 4-3-3 split?
    On the other hand, does the alliance of 7 really need to vote out Cole that bad? Look at it from Mike’s point of view. Joe is so annoying nobody even wants to vote him out. Cole is super selfish idiot who can’t make a plan or keep a secret. Both of them seem like a perfect goat. In Cole’s case, goat with immunity potential.
    And then there’s doctor Mike, who might have the idol.
    Why not for the alliance of 7 to split the vote 4 Mike, 3 Cole and tell Cole ‘if you want to survive, vote for Mike’, and then tell Mike and Joe ‘if you want to survive, vote for Cole’? Then you end up in 5-5 tie and Mike can go out on the revote.

    And let’s take this even step further.
    Look at the votes again. It was 7 Cole, 2 Mike, 1 Ben.
    What if someone told Mike, let’s say Ashley, who is getting frustrated with Ben,
    ‘just so you know, the plan is we’re splitting the 4 Cole 3 you, and I’m one of the three that should write your name, but I’m writing Cole, so if you have the idol, now is your chance to get Ben’
    Even Lauren can have the same motive, cause Ben is the only person who knows about her advantage. Or even Ryan, who realized his mistake about telling him about the idol, or just wants to take Heroes numbers down.
    But if you’re Mike, and you’re scared it’s gonna be a 5-5 tie, why would you want to try that? And what’s the value for you in keeping Cole, who can win immunity? There’s ZERO value in winning the vote for you. You would just tighten the majority aliance in best case scenario, and in worst case scenario you would be the one going home.
    That’s why Mike did what he did. And that might be the reason why he made such a big scene at Tribal.
    Mike does not need to win the vote. He needs to win allies. And with the 7-2-1 result and playing of his idol, he can go right to Ben and say ‘could have got you there 3-2 if me and Joe voted for you and I played the idol for Cole! But we want to work with you!’

    And this makes perfect sense, because 7 is too big of an alliance for people not to try force Mike into doing the dirty work for them in voting Ben out.

    Thoughts?

    • Assistant Dragon Slayer

      I said in the liveblog comments that two or even three unconventional things must have happened, making it impossible to pull the factors apart working backward from the vote. Your hypothesis actually seems plausible except for a couple of things.

      1) “Why not for the alliance of 7 to split the vote 4 Mike, 3 Cole and tell Cole ‘if you want to survive, vote for Mike’, and then tell Mike and Joe ‘if you want to survive, vote for Cole’? …” is the kind of next-level move that nobody in this cast has given any sign of being capable of. Not to mention the coordination difficulties.

      2) “What if someone told Mike, let’s say Ashley, who is getting frustrated with Ben, ‘just so you know, the plan is we’re splitting the 4 Cole 3 you, and I’m one of the three that should write your name, but I’m writing Cole,…” Surely they would have shown us this if something like this had happened, rather than waste time on, for example, Joe and Ashley bickering.

      3) I think it’s a big stretch for a first-time player (particularly someone as risk-averse as Mike) to be presented with the opportunity to win a vote or at least be safely in the majority, and pass it up.

      4) As Andy yelled about in the podcast, if Mike wants to win allies, why was he antagonizing them at tribal?

      • Mira

        1) they don’t have to be able to do it, Mike just has to be paranoid enough to think they are able to do it and that it is what they are doing.
        2) if Mike is thinking no 1 is true from what Ben told him (vote for Cole) , and somebody else is giving him a a plan that means him giving the idol to Cole, who he has little desire to work with, it gives him even more reason to think it’s him who gets the 4 votes from majority aliance.
        3) at this point Mike would have been Rambo style crazy to go for Ben, and even if it would’ve worked, it’s still 6-3 next time, with Cole having the best chance to win immunity, making it between him and Joe with probable 3-3-3 split.
        4) maybe it makes sense for the edit to slow burn this plot line? And it would’ve been way too complicated for casuals to understand?

    • Hornacek

      “Sounds like someone is straining
      to do some explaining.”

  • sharculese

    @@Taako_From_Teevhii:disqus

    I know we’re doing a week off from TAZ rewatch, but I was wondering if you had seen this cover of the Crystal Kingdom song, because I just discovered it and it’s amazing.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      That’s some #GoodShit.

      • sharculese

        One thing I’m gonna be listening for when we get to 11th Hour is the accusation that Griffin ripped off the Bastion soundtrack, which I didn’t notice the first time, but it’s funny because this sounds very much like it could have been in that game. Which is to say, it sounds awesome.

  • Maritimer

    Cole’s exit interviews had two interesting things for me: 1) his explanation for the idol play includes stuff that wasn’t shown – Mike pulling out his idol before the vote and putting it on himself and pulling out a fake one and putting it on Joe and trying to pull the votes on himself. This STILL doesn’t help me understand the strategy because I don’t see what it accomplishes.
    2) Devon gave Cole the heads up he was going home and Cole said he appreciated it. There’s the social game from our Obvious Winner.

    • Taako From Teevhii

      It makes it worse because Mike then burned two assets (a real idol and a fake idol), whereas we had previously thought that he just burned one.

      I can’t tell if this edit is meant to make him look better or worse.

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        Speculation: They didn’t show it because Ryan and Chrissy pull the same move later down the line.

        • Taako From Teevhii

          I’d think that this would make them more likely to show it. Unless then Ryan and Chrissy look unoriginal, but I don’t think that’s enough to sway the edit so much.

          • the sky is falling

            That is baffling to me, too. Whether or not it was successful, that
            seems like really good television and have no idea why that would be cut.

      • Maritimer

        I don’t know. Worse? The other way at least provides more of an explanation, even if its a bad one

    • sharculese

      If that’s true Mike staged what amounts to a slightly shoddier version of the Three Amigos tribal council. And I think we can all agree that the Three Amigos, while a fun moment, did absolutely nothing to change their position in the game.

      • Hornacek

        It did give us a great Lego music video though.

        • sharculese

          “Hold up, bro” was the one after that. Malcolm had two really great tribal councils in Caramoan.

          • Hornacek

            Damnit!

          • sharculese

            I did get the order wrong, though. “Hold up, bro” was the tribal council before Three Amigos.

          • Hornacek

            Vindicated!

      • Maritimer

        Zero. and Mike could have at least tried to change his position in the game here. All he needed to do was vote with Cole and bring Joe then idol Cole

    • Hornacek

      This makes even less sense. Why wouldn’t the show show us Dr. Mike doing this at tribal? Even if Ryan and Chrissy pull a similar move later (as @AssistantDragonSlayer:disqus suggests), the viewers can handle the same play being done twice in a season. With this logic, the show-runners wouldn’t show more than one person play an idol each season.

      Were there any scenes in the episode after the votes of Joe wearing something that could be a fake idol?

      • Taako From Teevhii

        Looks Joe had nothing around his neck as the votes were being cast.

        • Hornacek

          Until I hear differently, I choose to believe that this entire scenario was some weird fever dream of Cole’s due to a lack of his normal daily intake of calories.

      • Maritimer

        No sense at all. I don’t understand how he didn’t think that would result in the votes going for Cole. If Cole had won immunity, its probably a good move. It feels like the he got the idea in his head and then just went with it even though it made no sense

      • Assistant Dragon Slayer

        According to Cole on Twitter, this is Joe holding the fake idol (still wrapped in a real idol’s instructions) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c8a87520b07df544e542fca65fecf64d297107ff5aea1e4b76b3238a01ec86f0.jpg

        • Hornacek

          They even set-up in the first (?) episode that Dr. Mike was collecting material for a fake idol. When Joe confronts him in the jungle and asks what he has in his pockets, he says “some twine and yarn”. He was obviously collecting stuff from day 1 hoping to make a fake idol.

          • Assistant Dragon Slayer

            That’s right, and I noticed in one of the first episodes that the torches this season have a lot of dangly decorations. I checked this week’s episode and sure enough, they’re mostly gone. That seems like the kind of thing the others should notice sitting around doing nothing all day.

          • Alycia Swift

            Especially if they’ve watched other Survivor. Bob did this. We’ve see others collecting stuff. So you’d think people would notice when that type of stuff was missing.

          • Hornacek

            Cole said in his exit interview that Dr. Mike was also taking threads from the tribe flags – maybe that’s why it was fallen over at the start of this episode? So many threads had been removed that it could no longer stand under its own power?

  • sharculese

    A battle between 3 unranked teams is a pretty perfect metaphor for this season.

  • Violina23

    I’d watch Philip J. Fry play Survivor… he’d vote somebody out for no particular raisin

  • Taako From Teevhii

    Bonus vids got posted. Nothing too exciting, but we see the returns of two challenges: The Game is Afoot and Bermuda Triangles.

  • Purple Rock Emma

    “How do I fit this into my mouth all at once?”
    Title of your sex tape.